@@somegoodfella true but the reason why Jimmy P's bad at doing it is that he just hires every john doe off the street who wants to be tough without doing some check on them to see if they are a fed
All members of the mafia start out as street muscle unless they're nepo babies You start out as a kid doing small time crimes, you get a crew going, eventually if you show your worth you get made, that's how it works
@@Thewolfe112 not to mention aligning themselves with, of all people Dimitri Rascalov, once the Ancelottis and their Albanian muscle had a falling out.
@ninjaskking433 It's worse for jimmy when you realize that it wasn't even one of the more powerful bosses that came for him, instead he was taken out by a fresh off the boat immigrant, basically a nobody. Like Niko, says, he really was a fat fucking joke.
One thing i noticed is that on the first mission with Peg, you have to wear a suit. This made us think that Pegorino is this powerful and respected Don with a lot of power and authority, but as the story progresses, it kinda made me feel like the suit is nothing more than an attempt to make Jimmy look more important than he really is. On gravelli's first mission, we didnt get a requirement to wear a suit. It kinda makes Jon look like that whether you wear a suit or not, if you had the skill and power to impress Jon, you might earn his respect.
My opinion on JP was he had the brains to earn money but not to run a Mafia Family. I think Mr. P was better off as a legitimate businessman rather than a criminal. Edit: You know, not even Mrs. P respects her husband.
You can't help but appreciate and respect the amount of time and work that Profesional puts into squeezing every last drop of lore and info out of these games.
@@johnclay2716We have the third game in the Mafia series for that if that’s what you’re looking for. Plus why would GTA 6 go back in time instead of moving forward with the times like the other HD universe games since GTA 4?
There’s one deleted phone call from Pegorino after Niko kills Dimitri in A Dish Served Cold where Pegorino scolds Niko for ruining everything, that one phone call shows how Pegorino has lost it after trying to do everything to get onto The Commission
@@broden4838 This is the call Jimmy: “YOU SMUG F#CKING BASTARD, AFTER ALL I DONE FOR YOU???, YOU PLAY ME LIKE THIS??!!!. I HAD THAT DEAL SET UP! I NEEDED THIS, IT WAS MY ONLY WAY BACK IN AND YOU F#CKED ME!” Niko: “I never made any promises to you Mr. Pegorino, I’m my own man and I follow my own instincts. Dimitri and I had unfinished business so I went ahead and finished it, that’s something you’re going to have to accept” Jimmy: “I guess I will, the horse is gone, and I can’t get Phil on the phone, who knows what happened to him? Think of all the money you coulda made” Niko: “Money’s not what motivates everyone, Mr. Pegorino. I had more important things to think about. Now, I’m out. I don’t want to get involved with this sh#t no more. Good luck to you” Jimmy: “You’re a snake. You’ve turned around and but the hand that fed you! How hard would it be to suck up your pride to do one deal??!!! Now, I got nothing left to lose” Niko: “Hey, sorry things didn’t work out, goodbye”
@@broden4838 I still got it maybe because my version was downgraded. I was laughing so hard at him raging about his whole plan falling apart. Feels like the last time there's a laughable moment with him until you go after him relentlessly for the last mission
This reminds me of a Game of Thrones quote from Tywin Lannister: "Any man who says 'I am the King' is no true king". Power isn't about telling that you have power. It's about showing it.
The thing is Pegorino is desperate and he really wanted to be on top of everyone else. When things don't go his way he acts very aggressive towards everyone even wanted them dead. Just like how when Niko said how he didn't want to work with Dimitri Rascalove because they had history, Pegorino threaten Niko saying "Do it or me and you are gonna have a problem". This just shows how desperate he is for those to do his dirty work so he stands out. Of course if the player picked Revenge, Pegorino does find out that Niko didn't work with Dimitri, so as a result he lashes out and tries to kill Niko at the Wedding but ends up killing Kate instead. Again it shows how much he is willing to go after those who "double crossed" him and wants them dead.
If you do the deal Dmitri betrays Pegorino which is super ironical as well since Niko knows best that Dmitri is greedy selfish rat + Niko knows that the Commision families have a big problem with the Russians trying to take over the heroin market. Pegorino dies because he refuses to listen to Niko because of his boss-pride.
I remember seeing the article of Gravelli passing away and was actually upset even though it was inevitable. When you have that feeling towards a video game character who wasn't exactly a good person, you know it was a well written character.
Pegerino is like Florida Jokers threatening to sue rockstar with 6 final warnings for making a reference about him in the trailer claiming that he brings them attention when in reality he's a joke
2:05:30 Consigleres are actually one of the few ranks in the Mafia were there's a historical precedent of them not having to be Italian. There were numerous high profile consigs like this usually ones who were adopted or trusted implicitly by the Don. The Italian requirement isn't really as much of a factor as they report directly to the Don and technically exist outside of the mob's chain of command, despite their recognized power and importance to the organization. Edit: You ended up addressing this a few minutes after i typed this.
Niko was John Wick, he was sent on impossible missions and managed to survive, then his former employer attempts to kill the guy you send to kill "the guy" and he misses. Pretty much the same concept
Also does anyone else find it strange that for a Liberty City family who is the weakest out of the other families on the Commission, The Ancelotti’s are mentioned a lot in the game, you’d think that Old Man Ancelotti would’ve made an on screen appearance in either gta 4 or TBOGT after his 2 Capo’s Frankie and Chubby Charlie were sent with the fishes and when his daughter Gracie got kidnapped.
That's the point. The Ancelottis, like the Pegorinos, screw up a lot, so they show up a lot and are targeted by smaller criminals. You saw Rocco and his uncle, if those guys are made.... well. My point is the Gambettis and the Pavanos are way stronger and working for Jon Gravelli you notice that. While Jimmy Peg is dealiing with small time crap, the Gravellis run politicians, can step on the whole Russian mob and are capable of bringing Darko from Switzerland in chains
@@theportugueselegend I mean even Fredo in the godfather is made. A lot of people being sons or tied to the mob by family in someway will be made even tho they have no business being in the mob.
Something that’s also interesting about Phil’s situation is that since 2000 the mob doesn’t trail your family roots back as much anymore, as long as your father is of Italian heritage you can be made. Keeping in mind his surname, his father is probably not Italian but this reinforces the fact that Pegorino could’ve easily made him without raising much concern or mockery among the other families.
I love the in-depth lore to this! It made sense why Peggorino compared to other mafias are weaker and are taken as a joke. It’s literally a one man operation with no strong support with just Ray by his side. These writers did a great job implementing the mafia structure tree and shown us the big difference of the previous mafias vs the Pegorinos. This is a great deep dive analysis!!
Pegorino was the laughingstock of all the Mafia, a walking joke. And paraphrasing Marlon Brando's character in the movie On the Waterfront... Pegorino: "I could have been a Don!"
Interesting that Pegorino is based on Phil Leotardo who is played by Frank Vincent who is also Salvatore Leone in the 3D GTA. All I hear is Salvatore while watching the Soprano's scenes.
Wait but his whole back story and a lot of his details are based of tony, he even owned a strip club like tony. I’m confused how he’s based of Phil Leonardo, I see 0 similarities both back story and personality wise.
@@jbatts834Nothing more than visually. Even then, Peg and Frank Vincent are generally italian looking, nothing more. The family had Soprano's traits, but are really based of the DeCavalcante family
Looks like there's a new reason why the Revenge ending is canon. Why would anyone work with Dimitri, a man who stabs people in the back, and Jimmy P, a mob boss who wants to be big time so much that he doesn't know what he's doing, has poor judgement, and has terrible leadership?
I think Niko would be more likely to listen to Kate since a woman can blind you and she gives more reason compared to Roman who just thinks about money
JP: I know you got history with that Dimitri but we need to do this! Niko: So since you also have "history" with the Pavanos let us go pay a visit to them first.
21:34 I don't think Ray's the only one. We see him most of the time, sure. But because we work for him. And also it's possible that the guy behind peg in cut scene for Pest Control is the underboss. (He looks as old as peg, but he also could be just a soldier). Still from the game it seems that Phil and Ray are making like a half of family's money. Shows how incompetent are other captians and Jimmy himself, if he don't have a guy in his family who could earn
I agree, cause just like in the sopranos or better yet in the godfather there could easily be more soldiers and capos that are never seen on film. Cause like you said Phil and Ray are probably the top earners in the pegorino family that’s why we see them the most with Jimmy because they have a lot more say so cause they bring in the big bucks. My guess is there might be another capo or two running around in Alderney that we don’t see cause they don’t bring enough to the table to warrant pegorino taking their opinions. What I always wondered during one of the cutscenes in TLAD Ray mentions to Johnny that he’s got a boss that’s a paranoid wreck, and someone else above him with a brain like an artichoke which makes me wonder is there someone else that might’ve been an underboss or a capo that’s got a little more say so in the family that we don’t see
Ray is like a one man army. Though he is a scumbag, he is a good earner and he should have gotten more help from Pegorino. He is the only capo which was also putting pressure on him.
honestly wish there were more missions for ray and phil in the game, they are truly underrated characters and it would have been nice to see rockstar take on the whole italian mob setting in gta 4 more
Okay So I basically watched the entire video And here's my take on this Jimmy Pegorino is not only a bad boss But also, a corrupted leader Always believing That he will bring change for the greater good But doesn't trust his associates And hires anyone who could potentially rat him out A real boss should be the intimidating figure that everyone admires and respects A real boss doesn't run away from a fight and pretends to be a big shot They take legal action And help the family Become stronger and powerful But clearly, he did none of that He mistreated Phil, Ray Antony But also Nico as well Nico deep down, knew what a total punk and terrible person he is And respected Jon Gravelli, because Jon kept to his word And people respected him Because he doesn't pretend being somene else And he admits or regret things he has done Also, great job once again Professional 👏👏👏 For putting so much effort and hard work into this video And showcased another brilliant lore video Brilliant work 👏👏👏👏👏
Fun fact: in The mission pest control you were supposed to choose between either killing Ray or Phil . Ray would give you a big cash reward for killing Phil and phil would have given you a smaller one But it was changed possibly due to ray becoming an antagonist in Lost and damned
Professional, thank you for taking the time to make long form content on UA-cam, especially that it’s getting rare nowadays. I admire your passion and dedication to uncovering more of the GTA world despite attempts by UMG to take that away, we are forever grateful.
Meh. Just because the Lupertazzi's underestimated them a lot. And few people liked Philly. In just the last two episodes of the show theywacked almost all of Jersey, including Tony
We will be watching this TheProfessional. This may be one of the best lore videos I've ever seen on your channel. I am so glad that I'm your channel member for a year! It's a long-long road ahead until GTA VI comes out.
You don’t “want” to be a member on the commission. The commission should “want” you to be a member. If they tell you to join them, it’s an offer you can’t refuse. **somber mandolin music**
One thing that wasn’t mentioned was if you notice car in front of his house was the Chrysler but once Niko earns his money after a while turns into the Bentley
Also there's cut calls that give Pegorino a greater presence than in the final game Little Jacob would've talked about them and referred to the family as mascots (basically jokes) Also there was a cut call after killing Dimitri where Pegorino flips his shit and screams at Niko
I think if Pegorino ordered Niko to kill Dimitri and wiped out the Russian mob, that would've been enough to gain Gravelli's respect and since his family was most powerful that would've been enough for him to get him in
I'm still Watching the Video Pro, I need to say this... This video is incredible, you took your time you shouldn't worry, because the results are incredible. One thing you forget to mention is this. Teddy Benavídez is also an Associate of the family, if you check the LCPD record you'll see that he is an associate of the Pegorino Family. Ray had him killed by Niko because he didn't respect "The waste management process" (Or something like that). I used the same line that Ray used to explain why he Wants Teddy dead.
Another gem from TheProfessional. It’s amazing to see how much depth the writers put these gangs. I hope GTA VI has the same quality story as GTA IV. Anyways, I love your vids and the amount of work you put into them.
It won't you can't make games like this anymore it will be called racist and offensive. And Sadly Rockstar has decided to full on appeal to that crowd of people.
Just replayed, the game and realized how well written the mafia plot. Its full of so much symbolism and and themes of power and control and greed. I wouldn’t be surprised if that portion, was written mainly by Dan Houser. Really underrated part in his carrier
I like how in the revenge ending, Niko doesn't even feel the need to disarm Pegorino, who's clearly brandishing a pistol. No one ever treats him as any kind of a threat.
Forget the video for a second. The Prof is a badass. Pumping out long form vids, live streams, smaller vids. He cosplays in his vids. He’s willing to talk about all sorts of subjects while streaming. All the while being a wholesome, good dude. Keep it up Prof, there’s a reason so many people like you.
1:51:30 I personally assume he choose now to do it because he knew he could pin the blame on Niko and avoid trouble with Peg's loyalists or the 5 families. Same reason he has his men start killing Peg's men midway through a firefight, it's the perfect cover.
In a way, Pegorino is like the Salvatore Leone of the HD universe. Both got screwed over and over time got more paranoid started to distrust their own guys. The moment Pegorino pointed his gun at Niko was similar to Salvatore pointing his gun at Toni. Both were very paranoid at that point they didn't know who to trust anymore. In the end, both paid the price for their paranoia and betrayal.
Those similarities are true, but there are also differences The leones were the most powerful mob in LC at one point and the pegorinos were always a pretty weak "mafia". And salvatore became paranoid because he was betrayed by CJ, while jimmy p was always paranoid
The Leones were respected and people actually feared them and Salvatore. Jimmys Pegorinos mafia was always a huge joke and was never respected by anyone.
Behaviour wise probably but not for the organisation sense bc the leones are managed a lot better since they have more actual guys instead of basic associates
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At the end of the day, if you're visibly desperate to gain someone's respect, you'll never get it. Whether it's someone you like romantically, a friend group, a social class - you'll never be taken seriously if you're trying to get in with them all the time. Pegorino would have been far more respected by the Commission if he didn't bother trying to get a seat, and rather just focused on building his business in Alderney, and solidifying it as his undisputed turf.
been watching you for 6 years now man. Pretty sure you had just over 100k, and were mostly doing GTA Online content. I just had a really long night at work and i come home to a 2 HOUR LORE VIDEO FOR GTA IV??? this is a blessing. All the love and prosperity to you pro, your videos make my life a little better
Holy cow a 2:29 long lore video on my favorite GTA game from my favorate youtuber!!! This is the best thing happened so far in 2024. Another 10x looper this is.
I absolutely love the lore videos you come up with, especially if they're tied/connected to GTA IV/EFLC. They definitely do help me out if I have a question regarding something of the lore that my brain cannot come up with since I have ADHD.
Jacob's dialogue in Revenger's Tragedy doesn't mean that Pegorino knew about Dmitri sending a hitman to the wedding, they assumed that but it's not known for sure if he did or didn't.
You’re one of the best lore UA-camrs I’ve seen. There’s something about the way you explain things that really pulls me in. I think it’s because you sound like you’re speaking naturally from your own mind instead of reading from a script with no emotion.
I do see the similarity between Jimmy Pegorino and Phil Leotardo but I also see Uncle Junior as an inspiration behind Pegorino as well. Uncle Junior was desperate to be the head of the New Jersey family but was never quite taken seriously enough and had a big ego. If you watch the Many Saints of Newark (the prequel Sopranos movie) it shows even more how no one took Junior seriously and how it used to drive him crazy. There's a scene in Season 1 of the Sopranos where Tony and Johnny Sack (New York underboss) have a sit-down with Junior and Johnny makes a comment about how he would never dare disrespect Junior and wouldn't expect to see New York again if he did, Junior clearly liked the comment. Sack was only saying this to stroke Junior's ego (which it did), he didn't actually see Junior as much of a threat at all, he respected Tony more. I could just imagine the Pavanos or someone like Jon Gravelli saying something like this to Pegorino knowing that he would love it so much he'd let them do what they wanted on his territory no questions asked 😆 Uncle Junior was also fixated on how his likeness looked at court and was annoyed at the artist for not drawing him to a good standard, this seemed to bother him more than the trial itself, his ego was so big! There was also a scene where Junior is on house arrest so has a "sit-down" with the New York boss and others over the phone, they're only entertaining him because it involves New Jersey but clearly can't be bothered with what he has to say, they actually finish the sit-down and leave without telling Junior its over, he's still suggesting things over the phone while they're not in the room anymore. Could just imagine Pegorino being treated the same way by the Liberty City bosses. To me, Jimmy Pegorino and Uncle Junior were very similar. Also, if Pegorino wasn't killed at the end of the game and reached old age, I could definitely see him having a similar fate to Junior, I could see him alone in his house wearing a bathrobe with barely any visitors, still believing he's the big boss completely unaware that younger guys are running things behind his back. This is just my opinion anyway. Great video! Apologies for the long post haha...
I see Pegorina just being a more arrogant and less intelligent Dimitri. There's just no way that he would have ever gotten out of his own way in any universe
I remember the "pest control" intro cutscene, I was kinda expecting some crowd on the Pegorino's reunion... but there was only Ray and Phil, I was like "rly?, and just to announce we're taking one of them?" 💀
Even Salvatore Leone was a better boss than jimmy pegorino, i guarantee that salvatore wouldn’t-be stupid enough to trust dimitri unlike jimmy pegorino especially savaltore paranoia
Sal would very much have Dimitri killed, most likely having Niko do it and steal the H to be sold by a more trusted man like Tony or Luigi. That said, not sure if he'd try to kill Niko. Niko wanted out, but I don't think Sal's paranoia would let him cut ties with Niko peacefully.
25:06 not just those guys. Remember the Phil’s sleeping with the Don’s wife & the rest of the Irish members, and Niko, robbed the Mafia’s money, and then Niko executed their only Capo. So their “family” just turned out to be Pegorino himself, two Italian soldiers, the world’s shadiest Capo. And two loyal associates. All those members on the board, 6 of them are loyal, half of the loyalists are made men.
@@theprofessional155pro tip, before you're making any lore videos and such, pls make sure you double check the area where it has copyrighted music and think twice what would affect your video overall after it had been claimed. btw love your lore videos pro ❤
Just realised today. Pegorino in both endings died to a gunshot to the face, right between the eyes. I think this is meant to mean that Pegorino was so arrogant, so narcissistic, so full of himself. That he was blind to what he had in coming to him, even when he was facing it with his own eyes. Even with cold reality in front of his very nose. He was delusional to the end.
In the deal ending, Pegerino also made a stupid decision by going to the Alderney casino which is in the middle of nowhere to meet up with Dimitri. This is so similar to Lamar Davis when decides to do the deal with the Balla gangster in the abandoned warehouse. Both of them did not think something was up.
When Niko said that Jimmy is a joke at the end of the game it felt so good because you worked for the real mafia for a few missions. He was just another guy who thought he was something and got what he deserved.
And the sad thing is that Niko was unaware that Jimmy Pegorino was going to shoot up Roman's and Mallorie's wedding, and Kate had to suffer the conseques, they should of made a happy ending just like in GTA 5, the Deathwish ending
Bro, the stuff you pick up long after playing the story is crazy. It does make it more intriguing when you replay the story, though. Look for those subtle clues.
Pegorina missions had funny cutsceneses and dialoges.. 😂😂 and phil is solid .. i still play this game much .. unlike gta5 . 5 story was kind of biring after 3 times. Gta4 and its dlc is top gta imo ..
The Pegorino crime syndicate is a joke they have no Consigliere no underboss and only one caporegime and have so many associates what a joke of a family
i request you to make lore on little jacob. everything about him why he is so friendly to bellic cousin. why he came out as one of the most loyal(or whatever word you have in english) what is special about him and niko''s bonding ..how jacob is so cooperative and helpful...is there something fishy thing about it or something else
Jimmy Pegorino never had the makings of a varsity mob boss
As Niko said he was
"a fucking joke" 😂
@@imagamershortsalso a FAT one. A fat fucking joke 🤣🤣🤣
@@imagamershorts”A fat fucking joke” 😂😂😂😂
"A joke? Huh... (laughs)"
Indeed. His standards were more... remedial in nature.
Pegorinos biggest reason of not being taken seriously as a gangster boss: hiring street muscle. Instead of professional criminals.
Almost every matured criminal was street muscle once though
@@somegoodfella true but the reason why Jimmy P's bad at doing it is that he just hires every john doe off the street who wants to be tough without doing some check on them to see if they are a fed
All members of the mafia start out as street muscle unless they're nepo babies
You start out as a kid doing small time crimes, you get a crew going, eventually if you show your worth you get made, that's how it works
Ancelottis hired street muscle too.
@@Thewolfe112 not to mention aligning themselves with, of all people Dimitri Rascalov, once the Ancelottis and their Albanian muscle had a falling out.
Jimmy Pegorino was a legend in his own mind. It’s a miracle that his organization lasted as long as it did or he didn’t end up dead sooner
As Bruce Wayne once said: Every villain is a hero in their own story
@@broden4838 well the reality hit him like a tone of bricks when Niko came for him.
@ninjaskking433 It's worse for jimmy when you realize that it wasn't even one of the more powerful bosses that came for him, instead he was taken out by a fresh off the boat immigrant, basically a nobody.
Like Niko, says, he really was a fat fucking joke.
He's the Steven Seagal of Mafia bosses
With all the muscle he hired off the street no wonder he had an informant problem 😔🤷🏻♂️
One thing i noticed is that on the first mission with Peg, you have to wear a suit. This made us think that Pegorino is this powerful and respected Don with a lot of power and authority, but as the story progresses, it kinda made me feel like the suit is nothing more than an attempt to make Jimmy look more important than he really is.
On gravelli's first mission, we didnt get a requirement to wear a suit. It kinda makes Jon look like that whether you wear a suit or not, if you had the skill and power to impress Jon, you might earn his respect.
Also I think Jon wouldn't want to make Niko waste on them suits
My opinion on JP was he had the brains to earn money but not to run a Mafia Family. I think Mr. P was better off as a legitimate businessman rather than a criminal.
Edit: You know, not even Mrs. P respects her husband.
"legitimate" businessman
@@tSunrise_ No I don't mean Semeon. I mean a legitimate good guy.
Jimmy probably abused his son into suicide. Any mother would divorce the man who murdered her son.
Like simeon! We need more legitimate business men in the GTA universe. People should look up to simeon.
True
You know a games lore is good when you can talk about it for over 2hours
The only thing I like about GTA 4
Yes indeed man!
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And that's only on 1 ingredient in this masterpiece
You can't help but appreciate and respect the amount of time and work that Profesional puts into squeezing every last drop of lore and info out of these games.
As someone who really likes both the Sopranos and GTA, the Pegorino family were fun characters to interact with.
Mr. P is such an underrated charector. It is rare to see Morally Grey (For criminal) antagonists in games let alone a GTA game.
@@beingadeeb2345 Pegorino isn't morally grey.
Funny thing is that Pegorino's VA is not only a voice acting coach, but appeared on a Denny's commercial as well
I wish GTA 6 would have been 1970s Mafia
@@johnclay2716We have the third game in the Mafia series for that if that’s what you’re looking for. Plus why would GTA 6 go back in time instead of moving forward with the times like the other HD universe games since GTA 4?
I think that Big Smoke quote described the best what Pegorino was lacking "Respect has to be earned, Sweet - just like money".
"So what are you saying? You don't respect me?"
@@thebananagamer56 Big Smoke: What I'm saying is... I'm hungry!
@@broden4838 Carl, you look a little thin, man. Ya gotta eat!
@@heavyglamrocker1987 Yeah I could eat
"CHEESE has to be earned, Sweet - Just like MEMES"
- Flying Kitty's YTP Big Smoke
There’s one deleted phone call from Pegorino after Niko kills Dimitri in A Dish Served Cold where Pegorino scolds Niko for ruining everything, that one phone call shows how Pegorino has lost it after trying to do everything to get onto The Commission
You know, I'd like to see a script of it or hear it
@@broden4838 This is the call
Jimmy: “YOU SMUG F#CKING BASTARD, AFTER ALL I DONE FOR YOU???, YOU PLAY ME LIKE THIS??!!!. I HAD THAT DEAL SET UP! I NEEDED THIS, IT WAS MY ONLY WAY BACK IN AND YOU F#CKED ME!”
Niko: “I never made any promises to you Mr. Pegorino, I’m my own man and I follow my own instincts. Dimitri and I had unfinished business so I went ahead and finished it, that’s something you’re going to have to accept”
Jimmy: “I guess I will, the horse is gone, and I can’t get Phil on the phone, who knows what happened to him? Think of all the money you coulda made”
Niko: “Money’s not what motivates everyone, Mr. Pegorino. I had more important things to think about. Now, I’m out. I don’t want to get involved with this sh#t no more. Good luck to you”
Jimmy: “You’re a snake. You’ve turned around and but the hand that fed you! How hard would it be to suck up your pride to do one deal??!!! Now, I got nothing left to lose”
Niko: “Hey, sorry things didn’t work out, goodbye”
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@@broden4838 I still got it maybe because my version was downgraded. I was laughing so hard at him raging about his whole plan falling apart. Feels like the last time there's a laughable moment with him until you go after him relentlessly for the last mission
Jon Gravelli always said: “The Pegorinos are nothing but a glorified crew”
Five Fuckin' families, and we got this other pygmy thing over in Alderney
@@ScurJaldaan or Guernsey
Watch it, Chrissy!
That nonsense for my dear friend James Pegorino...
whatever they are alex, the pegorinos bring in alot of cheese.
This reminds me of a Game of Thrones quote from Tywin Lannister: "Any man who says 'I am the King' is no true king". Power isn't about telling that you have power. It's about showing it.
Pegorino is tired… See him to his shinebox
The thing is Pegorino is desperate and he really wanted to be on top of everyone else. When things don't go his way he acts very aggressive towards everyone even wanted them dead. Just like how when Niko said how he didn't want to work with Dimitri Rascalove because they had history, Pegorino threaten Niko saying "Do it or me and you are gonna have a problem". This just shows how desperate he is for those to do his dirty work so he stands out. Of course if the player picked Revenge, Pegorino does find out that Niko didn't work with Dimitri, so as a result he lashes out and tries to kill Niko at the Wedding but ends up killing Kate instead. Again it shows how much he is willing to go after those who "double crossed" him and wants them dead.
Pegorino reminds me of Admiral Greyfield/Sigimund from Advance Wars: Days of Ruin (even though the Peg is not as evil as the Admiral)
But Kate was stupid and annoying character and I was happy when she died. Jimmy did good thing here.
@@starlaixystarpsychopath
If you do the deal Dmitri betrays Pegorino which is super ironical as well since Niko knows best that Dmitri is greedy selfish rat + Niko knows that the Commision families have a big problem with the Russians trying to take over the heroin market. Pegorino dies because he refuses to listen to Niko because of his boss-pride.
TBH, Nico DID Double Cross him fwiw.
I remember seeing the article of Gravelli passing away and was actually upset even though it was inevitable. When you have that feeling towards a video game character who wasn't exactly a good person, you know it was a well written character.
Gravelli was loyal and an honorable gangster.
Pegerino is like Florida Jokers threatening to sue rockstar with 6 final warnings for making a reference about him in the trailer claiming that he brings them attention when in reality he's a joke
I agree and almost laughed at him wanting to voice act the character
2:05:30 Consigleres are actually one of the few ranks in the Mafia were there's a historical precedent of them not having to be Italian. There were numerous high profile consigs like this usually ones who were adopted or trusted implicitly by the Don. The Italian requirement isn't really as much of a factor as they report directly to the Don and technically exist outside of the mob's chain of command, despite their recognized power and importance to the organization.
Edit: You ended up addressing this a few minutes after i typed this.
You know GTA 4 is a legendary game when someone makes a 2 and a half video on its lore
If only I wasn’t listening to some kid with a squeaky voice
It's more a sign of someone being a yapper than anything else.
Sheesh, what are these takes under the OP?
@@onlyechadtherebellious2467 facts
Niko was John Wick, he was sent on impossible missions and managed to survive, then his former employer attempts to kill the guy you send to kill "the guy" and he misses. Pretty much the same concept
nah he was Al Pacino in "Carlito's Way'
Also does anyone else find it strange that for a Liberty City family who is the weakest out of the other families on the Commission, The Ancelotti’s are mentioned a lot in the game, you’d think that Old Man Ancelotti would’ve made an on screen appearance in either gta 4 or TBOGT after his 2 Capo’s Frankie and Chubby Charlie were sent with the fishes and when his daughter Gracie got kidnapped.
That's the point. The Ancelottis, like the Pegorinos, screw up a lot, so they show up a lot and are targeted by smaller criminals. You saw Rocco and his uncle, if those guys are made.... well.
My point is the Gambettis and the Pavanos are way stronger and working for Jon Gravelli you notice that. While Jimmy Peg is dealiing with small time crap, the Gravellis run politicians, can step on the whole Russian mob and are capable of bringing Darko from Switzerland in chains
@@theportugueselegend I mean even Fredo in the godfather is made. A lot of people being sons or tied to the mob by family in someway will be made even tho they have no business being in the mob.
Something that’s also interesting about Phil’s situation is that since 2000 the mob doesn’t trail your family roots back as much anymore, as long as your father is of Italian heritage you can be made. Keeping in mind his surname, his father is probably not Italian but this reinforces the fact that Pegorino could’ve easily made him without raising much concern or mockery among the other families.
I love the in-depth lore to this! It made sense why Peggorino compared to other mafias are weaker and are taken as a joke. It’s literally a one man operation with no strong support with just Ray by his side. These writers did a great job implementing the mafia structure tree and shown us the big difference of the previous mafias vs the Pegorinos. This is a great deep dive analysis!!
I dont blame Anthony. If my mafia boss was a scumbag to me id rat too
Peg beat Anthony like he was his own son. Can anyone blame Tone for taddling? 🤷🏻♂️
Pegorino was the laughingstock of all the Mafia, a walking joke.
And paraphrasing Marlon Brando's character in the movie On the Waterfront...
Pegorino: "I could have been a Don!"
Interesting that Pegorino is based on Phil Leotardo who is played by Frank Vincent who is also Salvatore Leone in the 3D GTA. All I hear is Salvatore while watching the Soprano's scenes.
Wait but his whole back story and a lot of his details are based of tony, he even owned a strip club like tony. I’m confused how he’s based of Phil Leonardo, I see 0 similarities both back story and personality wise.
@@jbatts834Nothing more than visually. Even then, Peg and Frank Vincent are generally italian looking, nothing more.
The family had Soprano's traits, but are really based of the DeCavalcante family
Not to mention Billy Batts (someone who was killed by Tommy DeVito) in Goodfellas
Only thing I see similar is both wearing a double breasted blazer on a mock neck sweater
Pegorino would gladly do 20 yeahs in tha can.
Looks like there's a new reason why the Revenge ending is canon. Why would anyone work with Dimitri, a man who stabs people in the back, and Jimmy P, a mob boss who wants to be big time so much that he doesn't know what he's doing, has poor judgement, and has terrible leadership?
Cousin Roman wanted Niko to do it.
I think Niko would be more likely to listen to Kate since a woman can blind you and she gives more reason compared to Roman who just thinks about money
@@jokerofmorocco Regardless of woman blinding you or not, it is against Niko's character to spare Dmitri.
JP: I know you got history with that Dimitri but we need to do this!
Niko: So since you also have "history" with the Pavanos let us go pay a visit to them first.
He was becoming more desperate that he might have done that
21:34 I don't think Ray's the only one. We see him most of the time, sure. But because we work for him. And also it's possible that the guy behind peg in cut scene for Pest Control is the underboss. (He looks as old as peg, but he also could be just a soldier). Still from the game it seems that Phil and Ray are making like a half of family's money. Shows how incompetent are other captians and Jimmy himself, if he don't have a guy in his family who could earn
I agree, cause just like in the sopranos or better yet in the godfather there could easily be more soldiers and capos that are never seen on film. Cause like you said Phil and Ray are probably the top earners in the pegorino family that’s why we see them the most with Jimmy because they have a lot more say so cause they bring in the big bucks. My guess is there might be another capo or two running around in Alderney that we don’t see cause they don’t bring enough to the table to warrant pegorino taking their opinions. What I always wondered during one of the cutscenes in TLAD Ray mentions to Johnny that he’s got a boss that’s a paranoid wreck, and someone else above him with a brain like an artichoke which makes me wonder is there someone else that might’ve been an underboss or a capo that’s got a little more say so in the family that we don’t see
@@Godfather9814 I think Ray's refering to Phil with the artichoke comment
Ray is like a one man army. Though he is a scumbag, he is a good earner and he should have gotten more help from Pegorino. He is the only capo which was also putting pressure on him.
Ray is cool. I like him.
@@starlaixystarwhy does everyone call ray a scumbag? Like he he didn't do anything to anyone
@@Myon-94 They hate him for stupid reasons. I like him.
@@starlaixystar Niko didn't even like him lmfao
Poor Ray Boccino . He was my favorite mobster but man he was screwed over by johnny and eventually his own boss. Thats sucks
Ray was just good at doing his job, shame he had to go that way
Why do hot guys need to pay for the mistakes of old ugly men 😢😢
@@justiceforjoggers2897fr
honestly wish there were more missions for ray and phil in the game, they are truly underrated characters and it would have been nice to see rockstar take on the whole italian mob setting in gta 4 more
A 2 hours lore video is worth waiting. I have so much fun watching or listening them.
Okay
So I basically watched the entire video
And here's my take on this
Jimmy Pegorino is not only a bad boss
But also, a corrupted leader
Always believing
That he will bring change for the greater good
But doesn't trust his associates
And hires anyone who could potentially rat him out
A real boss should be the intimidating figure that everyone admires and respects
A real boss doesn't run away from a fight and pretends to be a big shot
They take legal action
And help the family
Become stronger and powerful
But clearly, he did none of that
He mistreated Phil, Ray Antony
But also Nico as well
Nico deep down, knew what a total punk and terrible person he is
And respected Jon Gravelli, because Jon kept to his word
And people respected him
Because he doesn't pretend being somene else
And he admits or regret things he has done
Also, great job once again Professional 👏👏👏
For putting so much effort and hard work into this video
And showcased another brilliant lore video
Brilliant work 👏👏👏👏👏
Well said, great comment
Fun fact: in The mission pest control you were supposed to choose between either killing Ray or Phil .
Ray would give you a big cash reward for killing Phil and phil would have given you a smaller one But it was changed possibly due to ray becoming an antagonist in Lost and damned
Professional, thank you for taking the time to make long form content on UA-cam, especially that it’s getting rare nowadays. I admire your passion and dedication to uncovering more of the GTA world despite attempts by UMG to take that away, we are forever grateful.
On god, long form content is the greatest
I agree. Nowadays you see more short and refried s***.
It’s crazy how the Soprano "glorified crew” was winning the war against one of the top New York families.
Meh. Just because the Lupertazzi's underestimated them a lot. And few people liked Philly. In just the last two episodes of the show theywacked almost all of Jersey, including Tony
We will be watching this TheProfessional. This may be one of the best lore videos I've ever seen on your channel.
I am so glad that I'm your channel member for a year!
It's a long-long road ahead until GTA VI comes out.
You, my friend, are one of the most hardworking VG UA-camrs of all time.
You don’t “want” to be a member on the commission. The commission should “want” you to be a member. If they tell you to join them, it’s an offer you can’t refuse. **somber mandolin music**
One thing that wasn’t mentioned was if you notice car in front of his house was the Chrysler but once Niko earns his money after a while turns into the Bentley
Also there's cut calls that give Pegorino a greater presence than in the final game
Little Jacob would've talked about them and referred to the family as mascots (basically jokes)
Also there was a cut call after killing Dimitri where Pegorino flips his shit and screams at Niko
I think if Pegorino ordered Niko to kill Dimitri and wiped out the Russian mob, that would've been enough to gain Gravelli's respect and since his family was most powerful that would've been enough for him to get him in
I'm still Watching the Video Pro, I need to say this... This video is incredible, you took your time you shouldn't worry, because the results are incredible. One thing you forget to mention is this. Teddy Benavídez is also an Associate of the family, if you check the LCPD record you'll see that he is an associate of the Pegorino Family. Ray had him killed by Niko because he didn't respect "The waste management process" (Or something like that). I used the same line that Ray used to explain why he Wants Teddy dead.
Another gem from TheProfessional. It’s amazing to see how much depth the writers put these gangs. I hope GTA VI has the same quality story as GTA IV. Anyways, I love your vids and the amount of work you put into them.
Gta vi wont
It won't you can't make games like this anymore it will be called racist and offensive. And Sadly Rockstar has decided to full on appeal to that crowd of people.
GTA5 is a comedy compared to GTA4. GTA4 is more like Jason Statham movie loo
Just replayed, the game and realized how well written the mafia plot.
Its full of so much symbolism and and themes of power and control and greed.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that portion, was written mainly by Dan Houser. Really underrated part in his carrier
I like how in the revenge ending, Niko doesn't even feel the need to disarm Pegorino, who's clearly brandishing a pistol. No one ever treats him as any kind of a threat.
Forget the video for a second. The Prof is a badass. Pumping out long form vids, live streams, smaller vids. He cosplays in his vids. He’s willing to talk about all sorts of subjects while streaming. All the while being a wholesome, good dude. Keep it up Prof, there’s a reason so many people like you.
this video is just Pro absolutely roasting Jimmy P's entire existence for 2.5 hours. in other words, its pure perfection.
1:51:30 I personally assume he choose now to do it because he knew he could pin the blame on Niko and avoid trouble with Peg's loyalists or the 5 families. Same reason he has his men start killing Peg's men midway through a firefight, it's the perfect cover.
2:28:56 “Big Smoke was right, that people will atleast remember him.”
He never got mentioned, not even once, in GTA V :|
GTA 5 Takes place in a different universe
In a way, Pegorino is like the Salvatore Leone of the HD universe. Both got screwed over and over time got more paranoid started to distrust their own guys. The moment Pegorino pointed his gun at Niko was similar to Salvatore pointing his gun at Toni. Both were very paranoid at that point they didn't know who to trust anymore. In the end, both paid the price for their paranoia and betrayal.
Those similarities are true, but there are also differences
The leones were the most powerful mob in LC at one point and the pegorinos were always a pretty weak "mafia". And salvatore became paranoid because he was betrayed by CJ, while jimmy p was always paranoid
The Leones were respected and people actually feared them and Salvatore. Jimmys Pegorinos mafia was always a huge joke and was never respected by anyone.
Salvatore had a stake in Caligula's and even a Liberty City Mayor in his pocket, while the Peg, has maybe his house? 🤷🏻♂️
@@heavyglamrocker1987 exactly
Behaviour wise probably but not for the organisation sense bc the leones are managed a lot better since they have more actual guys instead of basic associates
*WOOHOOO!!!!!!!* IT'S FINALLY UP!! CONGRATS MY MAN, THIS VIDEO IS GONNA BE SO GOOD!!!
I am so proud of you man, you deserve all the views and subs you have ever gotten. You are one of the most passionate and kindest UA-camrs I have ever watched.
Here's to many many more lore videos from you! 🥂🥳
At the end of the day, if you're visibly desperate to gain someone's respect, you'll never get it. Whether it's someone you like romantically, a friend group, a social class - you'll never be taken seriously if you're trying to get in with them all the time.
Pegorino would have been far more respected by the Commission if he didn't bother trying to get a seat, and rather just focused on building his business in Alderney, and solidifying it as his undisputed turf.
Imagine if Mikhail Faustin survives that betrayal, he would've had Niko kill Jimmy Pegorino in later missions
been watching you for 6 years now man. Pretty sure you had just over 100k, and were mostly doing GTA Online content. I just had a really long night at work and i come home to a 2 HOUR LORE VIDEO FOR GTA IV??? this is a blessing. All the love and prosperity to you pro, your videos make my life a little better
We can't have Jimmy Pegorino in our social club no more...
i feel like i've been stabbed in the heart
06:52 the beautiful Irish accent from Packie, I literally love this part where he talks so pejorative about them "guido gangsters outa Alderney" xD
Jimmy forgot to tell Niko how he did 20 years in the can.
There's no scraps in my scrapbook
Holy cow a 2:29 long lore video on my favorite GTA game from my favorate youtuber!!! This is the best thing happened so far in 2024. Another 10x looper this is.
Bell calling them enchiladas over and over is the funniest siii ever
I absolutely love the lore videos you come up with, especially if they're tied/connected to GTA IV/EFLC. They definitely do help me out if I have a question regarding something of the lore that my brain cannot come up with since I have ADHD.
What's up Berry? Been long
@@captaindowntown7851 what's good Captain Downtown?
@winnesota_ I'm good bro 😎
@@captaindowntown7851 that's good
Jacob's dialogue in Revenger's Tragedy doesn't mean that Pegorino knew about Dmitri sending a hitman to the wedding, they assumed that but it's not known for sure if he did or didn't.
I would love to work for Gravelli instead of Pegorino.
You’re one of the best lore UA-camrs I’ve seen. There’s something about the way you explain things that really pulls me in. I think it’s because you sound like you’re speaking naturally from your own mind instead of reading from a script with no emotion.
TheProfessional: Why Hes A Joke-
Me: Just what Niko Said at The end of Out of Comission to PECORINO!
I do see the similarity between Jimmy Pegorino and Phil Leotardo but I also see Uncle Junior as an inspiration behind Pegorino as well. Uncle Junior was desperate to be the head of the New Jersey family but was never quite taken seriously enough and had a big ego. If you watch the Many Saints of Newark (the prequel Sopranos movie) it shows even more how no one took Junior seriously and how it used to drive him crazy.
There's a scene in Season 1 of the Sopranos where Tony and Johnny Sack (New York underboss) have a sit-down with Junior and Johnny makes a comment about how he would never dare disrespect Junior and wouldn't expect to see New York again if he did, Junior clearly liked the comment. Sack was only saying this to stroke Junior's ego (which it did), he didn't actually see Junior as much of a threat at all, he respected Tony more. I could just imagine the Pavanos or someone like Jon Gravelli saying something like this to Pegorino knowing that he would love it so much he'd let them do what they wanted on his territory no questions asked 😆
Uncle Junior was also fixated on how his likeness looked at court and was annoyed at the artist for not drawing him to a good standard, this seemed to bother him more than the trial itself, his ego was so big! There was also a scene where Junior is on house arrest so has a "sit-down" with the New York boss and others over the phone, they're only entertaining him because it involves New Jersey but clearly can't be bothered with what he has to say, they actually finish the sit-down and leave without telling Junior its over, he's still suggesting things over the phone while they're not in the room anymore. Could just imagine Pegorino being treated the same way by the Liberty City bosses.
To me, Jimmy Pegorino and Uncle Junior were very similar. Also, if Pegorino wasn't killed at the end of the game and reached old age, I could definitely see him having a similar fate to Junior, I could see him alone in his house wearing a bathrobe with barely any visitors, still believing he's the big boss completely unaware that younger guys are running things behind his back. This is just my opinion anyway. Great video! Apologies for the long post haha...
1:16:10 Dimitri is a fucking hell of an antagonist
Now I want to see an alternate universe where JP did what TheProfessional said
I see Pegorina just being a more arrogant and less intelligent Dimitri. There's just no way that he would have ever gotten out of his own way in any universe
@@Deadsea_1993 You just need to have faith. For example: Superman is good hearted man in one universe and in another one he is a tyrant
At this point, i think Pro would have been better off as criminal master mind than a youtuber or a cop lol
The wait was definitely worth it 😌
I remember the "pest control" intro cutscene, I was kinda expecting some crowd on the Pegorino's reunion... but there was only Ray and Phil, I was like "rly?, and just to announce we're taking one of them?" 💀
Woke up this morning, got myself a Pro lore video to watch!
Honestly glad you're still making these. Started watching them over the weekend extensively over the weekend with GTA SA and they've all been great!
Even Salvatore Leone was a better boss than jimmy pegorino, i guarantee that salvatore wouldn’t-be stupid enough to trust dimitri unlike jimmy pegorino especially savaltore paranoia
Sal would very much have Dimitri killed, most likely having Niko do it and steal the H to be sold by a more trusted man like Tony or Luigi. That said, not sure if he'd try to kill Niko. Niko wanted out, but I don't think Sal's paranoia would let him cut ties with Niko peacefully.
25:06 not just those guys. Remember the Phil’s sleeping with the Don’s wife & the rest of the Irish members, and Niko, robbed the Mafia’s money, and then Niko executed their only Capo. So their “family” just turned out to be Pegorino himself, two Italian soldiers, the world’s shadiest Capo. And two loyal associates. All those members on the board, 6 of them are loyal, half of the loyalists are made men.
The text font on the thumbnail screwed with my head so hard I read it as "Why pegging isn't respected"
Patrick, thank you so much for making this. You put a lot of work into your lore videos and it should be appreciated.
Man, I cannot imagine how frustrating it is to make a 2+ hr video just to have it copyright claimed.
It’s not claimed anymore I edited that song out
@@theprofessional155pro tip, before you're making any lore videos and such, pls make sure you double check the area where it has copyrighted music and think twice what would affect your video overall after it had been claimed. btw love your lore videos pro ❤
I’ve been watching your Lore videos recently and they’re very well done and they all got me hooked
The guy who played phil from the sopranos is the same guy who played sal leone from gta 3, San Andreas and lcs
Two and a half hour roast video on the Peg.
Thank you for the video man. Your lore videos are amazing, especially if it’s regarding GTA IV. Keep up the great work and take care!
Phil could actually be considered Jimmy's congsiliere, since that rank doesn't require you to be apart the family
I am honestly surpised that niko, phil, and ray, lasted as long as they did with pegorino
Just realised today. Pegorino in both endings died to a gunshot to the face, right between the eyes. I think this is meant to mean that Pegorino was so arrogant, so narcissistic, so full of himself. That he was blind to what he had in coming to him, even when he was facing it with his own eyes. Even with cold reality in front of his very nose. He was delusional to the end.
Perfect timing putting this Lore video out, im just playing through GTA 4 again
27:45 why did you get an unknown phone call during that mission? o.O
Respect for this video, one of the greatest lore vids youve made
In the deal ending, Pegerino also made a stupid decision by going to the Alderney casino which is in the middle of nowhere to meet up with Dimitri. This is so similar to Lamar Davis when decides to do the deal with the Balla gangster in the abandoned warehouse. Both of them did not think something was up.
It's hard to tell if something's up. There's a reason why so often, people, even street smart criminals, are so often caught by surprise.
When Niko said that Jimmy is a joke at the end of the game it felt so good because you worked for the real mafia for a few missions. He was just another guy who thought he was something and got what he deserved.
The only person that gets to deserve to be called "The Boss" is the The Player that becomes The Boss in Saints Row.
And the sad thing is that Niko was unaware that Jimmy Pegorino was going to shoot up Roman's and Mallorie's wedding, and Kate had to suffer the conseques, they should of made a happy ending just like in GTA 5, the Deathwish ending
GTA 4 endings are realistic , not everyone makes it.
so pegorino was based on salvatore... the voice actor hehe
Phil is utterly wasted on Pegorino, guys like him are what make the difference between a crew and an organisation
Your lore vids are my favorite for listening to while I lay down and can’t fall asleep which never works cause I watch the whole video 😂
2 hours 30 mins?!?!? The professional is no joke when it comes to gta lore
Very true... it shows that he NEVER click baits and finds actual facts and lore.
Jimmy should take notes from guys like sal marcano.
Is that a Mafia 3 reference?
As an ultimate insult to Pegorino, you should have left out the word "other" before "Mafia families" :)
Bro, the stuff you pick up long after playing the story is crazy. It does make it more intriguing when you replay the story, though. Look for those subtle clues.
Pegorina missions had funny cutsceneses and dialoges.. 😂😂 and phil is solid .. i still play this game much .. unlike gta5 . 5 story was kind of biring after 3 times. Gta4 and its dlc is top gta imo ..
The Pegorino crime syndicate is a joke they have no Consigliere no underboss and only one caporegime and have so many associates what a joke of a family
Even the Clemente family from Mafia 2 wasn't seen as that big of a joke.
To summarize: Pegorino thinks he's Tommy Vercetti 💀💀
Jimmy Pegerino and Playboy X are so similar. Both of them talk nonstop of how they are kings but yet they are way below in the food chain.
i request you to make lore on little jacob. everything about him why he is so friendly to bellic cousin. why he came out as one of the most loyal(or whatever word you have in english) what is special about him and niko''s bonding ..how jacob is so cooperative and helpful...is there something fishy thing about it or something else