"Separate Ways (World Apart)" Journey@PPL Center Allentown, PA 4/16/16
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- Separate Ways (Worlds Apart), Journey, PPL Center; Allentown, PA April 16th, 2016; Spring US Tour; Double Headliner Tour with Journey; Return of original drummer Steve Smith on this Tour; 1st song of the set
Steve Smith do not slam drumkits. He is a real musician that knows what he is doing. All his parts are actually written not improvised.. And why is everybody so bummed about. Steve IS Journey's Drummer
+Giovanni Boschini Steve was actually Journey's third drummer, but Ansley was their first real drummer since Prairie Prince was only with them for a very short while, I think 1 gig. I saw Journey way back at one of their first gigs, and it was Ansley.
+Oneness100 ........Aynsley
btsdrummer1 I don't know what the reason why Journey fired Ansley. Maybe it was a personality issue. Ansley got fired from Jefferson Starship as well. I guess he doesn't get along with everyone. Steve's playing is more finesse, as he uses more dynamics and his sense of swing leans more towards jazz and Ansley is more straight. But Ansley came up with a lot of interesting and unique rhythms, and fills that simply made their early stuff great.
+Oneness100 Aynsley had a bad partying behaviour. I saw it in an interview Herbie Herbert gave to the press a few years ago. He was missing rehearsals for being with chicks all the time
Giovanni Boschini That's weird. He was with Zappa for years prior to being with Journey and Zappa was strict against partying. Oh well. Yeah, no excuse for missing rehearsals.
This was about one thing... Getting Steve back with the band to sell a CRAP LOAD of tickets. They approached him and said lets all do one last big tour, make a few million a piece, and retire happy. I would be surprised if there is anything else to it.
Steve Smith´s present-day drumming is a far cry from his younger years in several ways: a lighter touch, a higher sitting position, a more relaxed approach, lower cymbals. Sure he plays with a lot of economy of motion now, but musically is as effective as usual. Good to know he is back with Journey, though, judging by the look of his face, he doen´t seem to enjoy it as much as before. Nevertheless and undoubtedly, he does a great job!
It's called ergonomics. He said himself all those shows in 70's-80's nearly killed his body. Function over looks.
+lou richard he,s so damn good that he doesnt have to try very hard.lol
He likely doesn’t enjoy it as much as I think he doesn’t consider the material challenging. He’s a monster chops player, has since mastered odd times, Indian classical music, uptempo bebop, modern jazz, and here he is playing arena rock from forty years ago. Just my guess. Smith is a GREAT player.
Steve Smith is not the original drummer, but i think its safe to say, he is THE drummer of journey. The one who is most associated with journey and their highest times.
First off, I grew up on Steve Smith's drumming in Journey, He was THE one to inspire me to play. From 1979's "Evolution" (Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin') to "Frontier's" (World's Apart) and even a tiny part of "Raised on Radio", it was Smith's drums you heard on the record.
The main reason I think Steve is playing on this tour is that since Dean was arrested for Domestic Violence a few years ago and is undergoing rehab, and since Smith and Schon have remained friends and still have played together over the years, Smith is doing this as a favor for Schon and the band?? Yes Smith is more a jazz player now and always has been, but this set is using smaller toms with different woods, BUT also remember that these recordings are simple smart phone videos that can't pick up everything. Steve doesn't have go all wild on the drums to get the same sound but it does seem to me that he could put more heart into it?
I keep seeing Ross Valory come to drum riser a lot and that's usually a sign of the bassist and drummer trying to "Lock Down" the beat and groove. It also seems like Ariel is throwing more and more of the vocals to the crowd and he doesn't have the range and excitement like he used to either?? Some parts could be better, but what the hell do you expect from a band that's almost as old as I am and the members are as old as my parents?? Have a drink, enjoy the music and love it for what it is! Within 10 years, this will all be gone!
No he did not, it was Smith. Do your research first before you like a moron...
@@thefilmlodge Google “Deen Castronovo Domestic Violence”
@@drskaff My response was to another that was wrong about something and has since removed his post. So, obviously my response makes no sense now.
@@thefilmlodge Oh. OK.
Yeah, Steve Smith doesn't look like he's struggling to climb mount Everest like many drummers would. This stuff is a piece of cake for him, and his sound is unrivaled.
agreed steve doesnt look as energetic and fiery because musically he has moved on in his style and understanding of his instrument you dont need to smash your cymbals and beat shit out of the toms most drummers will realize this at some point steve is fluid like no other not to mention hes older now
Nicely written! It may not "appear" energetic, but they sound like they're being hit with a sledgehammer. His fluidity, power and technique are impeccable.
Thank you, well said. Technique evolves :) The most important thing? Mr. Steve is back in the driver's seat :)
whats with that little bs drum kit?? looks like some ringo starr shit? not the same band anymore! damn shame
A eleven- piece kit is too small for you? Wow.
Steve Smith is what I would call "efficient"...he was the original guy that cam up with the drum part for this song, and he appears to be true to it. I loved Deen, but he was very heavy-handed...I called him "Edward DrumstickHands", he was beating the daylights out of his cymbals on every beat. Steve seems to like his cymbals lower in height than he used to. Not that he is vain, but the tall cymbals used to obscure him...now he is very visible.
Steve smith =efficient.
Wow..i was a huge DC fan...but Steve Smith is just awesome. Deen seems to beat the living shit out of his kit..where Steve is the master with his drum technique and Arnel sounds fantastic..great stuff from Journey!
Steve great great drummer very smooth but i like dean so much alive! When he bang the drums!
+Junar Modar While Castronovo is a very good drummer, Smith is clearly a much more accomplished drummer. Not convinced? Do some research on him, and you'll see. He's considered to be one of the all time greats by insiders.
+6PERRYFAN4 Agreed. There are many uneducated posts here saying "Hit the drums harder" "More energy" "Boring"......If you are not a drummer and say silly things such as this then all is forgiven. If you are a drummer on the other hand and make silly posts such as these, Well..........there is always hope that someday you will get a clue!
btsdrummer1 Yep! It takes a real drummer to understand what it all means. Very true!
I saw Deen years ago in Spartanburg SC, when he had first started playing with Journey and his showmanship and vocals were impressive. Steve Smith will always be the guy! You have to remember every musician brings their own style to the craft.
Dean brought more energy to the band. ..period !
Steve Smith is one of my all time favorite drummers but his true passion is jazz. His playing here is good but he seems a little lack luster or just doing it for the money.
He's playing in a way that won't cause injuries. Wow. So many people are fascinated by this. Steve doesn't have to make money, and I seriously doubt Journey would be his #1 choice for a gig if he did need a paycheck.
Arnel vocals are starting to show strain. You can clearly tell they are using more effects on his vocals too.
+Tony Clifton wats happening............they should get Deen Castranovo to sing lead......those 2 0r 3 part harmony vox are a mess.............
If you listen carefully, you'll notice that what sounds so horrible are the people singing around the cameraman.
Leslie Cruzado
Nope, this is coming from the band, I watched other videos of the same song and the backup vox are just as bad. Looks like there fake backup vocal machine is broken for this tour!
It gives one appreciation for what Mr. Perry was doing for all of those years ;)
Matthew McClellan
Perry was the "VOICE" but he also struggled the last tour, these songs are not easy to sing and they destroy the vocals chords.
Steve Smith is a legend of the drums. Will don't you see Steve Smith's other UA-cam videos and even of this same concert, like his drum solo and the Carlos Santana guitar jam. Just because he doesn't flail his arms around?
Arnel's been with Journey for 8-10 yrs? Or more? Well, that explains it guys..of course voice isn't perfect all the time..but hell yeah!Journey concerts are still sold out and people love them. I love them through ups and downs..
Steve Smith is a master!
2:03 oh... no. THAT was unnerving. What the hell did they do to the Frontiers space man?! AND WHO THE HELL IS THIS SECOND KEYBOARD PLAYER?!?!
Lol... why is Steve's Smith's drumming a problem? If none of you have ever been in an orchestra/marching band or even play proper drums (formal music education, contemporary + classical) then it is best to keep quiet, rather commenting about negatively.
He knows that slamming the drums does not necessarily produce great sound quality. If you can create something as loud as a hand whip, with only 6 inch of stick height off from the drum heads, then why not? These are the things he already knows from the beginning. There shouldn't be any debate about it.
Saw them a couple days ago and they were so much more energetic than this. The crowd was giving it right back to them, makes a world of difference. Amazing show
Steve is one of the best drummers ever. Screw anyone saying "oh well he isn't the original! boo hoo". Well guess what, everybody air drums to the songs STEVE played on. So he is the original in my eyes!
Steve Smith... the simplicity on drums!!! Great!!
i was there! on the second floor jammin my 10 year old ass off to one of my favorite bands! these people in the front embarrass me!
I've been looking forward to seeing a video of Steve playing with them again, but geeesh you're right he does look bored.
i dont think he is bored. He has quite an age now and his playing style is very ergonomic, for example to have least strain on back and joints.
Smith is at the top with the best of them, he can look bored if he wants, still a joy to watch such a seasoned pro. I call it concentration.
Is it me or is Arnel not able to hit the high notes... or could he ever? Me no no.
Hope Steve Smith gets his rock chops back
Big arm motions cause injuries. He's doing it the right way now. Go watch Tommy Aldridge if you like flash.
Steve Easton - you did a very nice job recording these overall. Thanks for posting.
My second favorite Journey song. Always smile when I see Ross and Steve. I'm so pissed they used Ross and Steve as doormats after everything they gave to the music.
why is everyone worried about his energy? I give no shits about his energy. I give shits about his drumming.
So nice to see Steve back and playing the drum parts the way they go !!! That other drummer OVER played everything...
Nice to see Stevie!
What is so incredible to me about Steve's ability it looks like he puts very little effort into his playing, I would love to know how he does this?
Steve will be great for this tour, he just has to dumb down a little.
If your a world class doctor and you assigned to med 7 you will adjust.
Steve Smith was my favorite drummer for years and years. Unfortunately he does look some what complacent. A total lack of energy and effort compared to his playing in the past. Age?
thanks for catching that drum fill...I was getting nervous!
For me is so great
Is it just me, or does steve smith looks like hes getting a little lazy on the drums? or is he that good, that he makes it look incredibly easy?
Smitty is back...he went back and re-learned all his parts and has kept them pretty spot on to the record. His hat work is not exactly the same (only a drummer would pick this apart) and his feel is not as rock like it was back in '78 (but he was never a pure rock drummer ala Cozy Powell)...on record he plays straight 8th notes on the hats and here he plays more open hats like he did on Only the Young.
+Jeff Porcaro Groove He was never a really HEAVY hitter, but he certainly struck the drums with ample velocity. But he's a fair bit older now than he was in the 1980s, and it's still early in the tour. I think he'll need to get work-hardened to a degree, so there will likely be a change as the tour goes on. The one thing you don't want to see is for him to hurt himself early on, and that can happen if you are hitting too hard all the time. In fact if you watch him play you can see that he's definitely letting the mics do the work. He's not a stupid fellow by any means.
I love his playing though: Always have, always will. But then again I'm sort of biased as I have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours trying to copy his parts as a teenager in the 1980s and 1990s. He always knows just what to play and when to play it.
+Tom B One thing I forgot to say--I'd like to see him go to something a little more aggressive in terms of cymbals. Something like A Customs, or even regular A-series cymbals...like he used to play. This new Zildjian line he's playing sounds incredible, but they don't seem to project as well in the mix...especially the ride cymbal bell. I really miss the sound of his Ping ride from the Escape days.
He's so ergonomically sound no issue with him hurting himself...he plays almost too relaxed. Watch him play Stone in Love from the PA gig a few days ago. You will almost never see a drummer play his ride so relaxed placing each note on the bell perfectly. Love the "hundred of hours" thing...a fellow thumper!
Definitely ergonomically-sound, to be sure. And I LOVE the sound of these SQ2 drums. Those are some of the nicest drums I've ever owned--and I've owned a lot of drums over the years.
+Jeff Porcaro Groove
Complaining about Steve Smith's drumming in respect to his original work, because of precisely what???? He does not look like Castronovo,,,he does not slam cymbals like most of inefficient drummers do,,,,,,Steve Smith, thats's the best you can get,,,,,
Arnel has not the same voice range as in the beginning, totally understandably, Journey songs are demanding. I really miss DC, very energetic drummer and singer, it's s shame.
Look, I know that Smith is one of the original members of Journey, and yes, he is 10 years older than Castronovo...but, dude, cmon...give me SOMETHING?!?! Nothing like tapping away for your cheddar and hope the triggers pick it up...wow.
steve smith is beautiful on drum. my my. do not ugly thing about this men. please. nice comments please
Arnel. A little man with a big voice. But who will be Journey's next singer? Or will they pack it in? Stay tuned....
Second keyboardist likely for the points when JC steps out on Rhythm Guitar. Vocals sound fine.
vocals off pitch completely
Amazing how he plays the easy way...
Yeah and it seems that steve is enjoying it.. He's one of the original line up of journey
+tony clamor No. Smith was the second drummer. Aynsley Dunbar was before Smith.
+theatremusician Fantastic Drummer!
Dang it...great shot of the drums then some #*!!! passes in front of the camera right when he plays "the lick!"
Would be nice to see them in Detroit.
I prefer ex-drummer because he had bigger action... If it was just audio I don't care but the way i SEE it I wanna something energetic, powerful action or something like that...
Good to see Steve with Journey! I've been to his concert twice, both with his Jazz band. Actually my favorite recording of his then was Jean Luc Ponty's (1976) album and I wasn't familiar with his Journey days contribution nor his Jazz days. Yet, I was blown away in both occasions - I saw Billy Cobham and Steve Gadd at the same place and Steve was easily in the same league with them! Only thing I found 'lacking' was he wasn't really interacting with audience during songs :) He looked very serious and pro. Here, with Journey, I think he IS having fun in his way. See 5:17
Or we can always revisit good old days ua-cam.com/video/BxukSDcfDio/v-deo.html
Or
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What a song. Powerful and still haunting!
Come on Steve hit those drums harder
😍
steve smith is journeys original drummer.he doesnt slam the drums like alot of people do
+540allison Steve Smith wasn't Journey's original drummer. Dude, what's your problem? Prairie Prince from the Tubes was the original drummer, but he only did something like 1 gig. Then they got Ansley Dunbar, whom played on many of their first albums and was with them when Perry joined up for several albums. So Ansley was Journey's first drummer. You got to get it together.
+Oneness100 This is true. In 1975, Journey released their very first album and Ansley Dunbar was their very first OFFICIAL drummer. Prairie Prince was their first drummer in terms of playing with them, but never wanted to make it official. He turned down the offer and decided to remain in The Tubes instead. I believe he does some art work for Journey on their albums.
Samuel Anderson He does the artwork on drum sets and things like that. I don't think he does the album artwork, they typically had Mouse and Kelley for much of the album art. I don't know if Prairie did any album art, if he did, I don't doubt it, I just never thought he did any. But I do know that he does a lot of art work on drums as that's his specialty. Ansley had one of his earlier kits painted and I'm sure Prairie might have done it. I saw Journey many times in their early years before their first album even got released and I would stand up front very close to the stage. I first saw them play second bill to Mahavishnu with the Tubes opening up and at the time Journey had only played something like 3 or 4 gigs prior and the Tubes were pretty much an unknown band as it was right before they got a lot of radio play. This was in '74.
I always thought of Ansley as their first REAL drummer due to the first released album, Prairie was just their first drummer that only played a couple of gigs, but was never recorded with them.
+Oneness100 no problem dude,forgot about the other two drummers.I prefer steve smith.
540allison Well, i grew up watching early Journey with Ansley Dunbar, plus Greg Rolie on keyboards and vocals. The albums with Perry added were better than after they replaced Rolie with Cain. So, I actually preferred the early Journey without Perry and then with Perry. After that, they sounded too bubblegum for me. Steve was OK with Journey, I preferred him before Journey when he played with Jean Luc Ponty. As far as a "rock" drummer, I just don't think that's his wheel house, to me, he's a jazz/fusion drummer. Maybe you just never saw early Journey before they added Perry. go back and listen to the early recordings with Perry and Rolie, they had MUCH better background vocals than with Cain. Cain's not a strong singer, IMO, plus he just kind of makes the band a little wimpy side. Plus Cain's not much of a soloist, he's very pedestrian.
Steve Smith gets in the "zone" :)
i have nothing againts! its about my own opinion so why argue? plz read and understand what i wrote.,
I love Journey but these guys look like they're just going through the motions. Steve Smith looks utterly bored.
I'm sure he is. I'm sure he's doing this to put a little tour money into his pocket. He visited a local drum shop years ago and someone asked him about his greatest accomplishment, and it was making a million dollars with Journey. I'm in a cover band and I get bored played journey songs. He's a killer jazz drum and his skill level surpasses what he does in this band who should hang it up.
bit your tongue - Steve Smith is truly a master craftsman; clearly, it went right over your head....Let me guess, Travis barker is your type? .....you should keep your mouth shut on shit you have no clue at what your talking about. just a suggestion
Grandmaster Craftsman....rivaling Vinnie Colaiuta
There's no way Steve is bored. He wouldn't do the tour if he wasn't all in. He plays in a very compact, economical jazz-like manner now, and lets the drum mics and great Sonor drums do the heavy sound projection. I think it's silly to suggest that he is bored. No need for everyone to get their panties in a twist over it.
I love both drummers but there is just no excitement in Steve's drumming maybe cause he is a lot older now! IDK???
Who's the "Extra" keyboard dude? Is Friga not able to handle it all anymore?
How many more tours will Steve Perry sit out? The whole band is there now! Cain is 67! There can't be many more in the future. Arnel's singing is amazing, but his stage presence is horrible. On some songs, he almost appears bored. Steve...it's TIME!!
yeah.... he's flat that night.
could be he's tired or the chords are giving him some trouble ???
As much as people love steve smith on journey,deen fits journey now.steve is old and got no energy to keep on,same with perry..let just thank deen and arnel for continuing the band legacy.
They should get Deen to do the singing if Steve is going to drum. Deen was an awesome singer.
Arnel Pineda is a good singer. The structure of the composition by the song writer is arranged and beautifully created will set any great singer for failure, hence all the others have failed. Arnel still needs to live and support a family While the mighty composer sits on the pulpit eating bombombs collecting royalties. A little help from the person that should understand the scale of the ivory’s and the talent who he creates for could’ve been a better person in general.
Steve looks completely disinterested. Arnel, who I like as a very talented stand in, sounds rough here. It's going to happen. They'll run him into the ground like Steve P.
What's the story with that one guy in the background that is on a second set of keys? I've seen him on a couple videos now
Travis Thibodeaux out of Louisiana. He's a backing vocalist and bonus keayboardist "hired gun" who sings lead vocals on a few tunes as well.
Did Jon Cain call in sick for this gig?
They need a high energy drummer.
Was it crowded ?
steve smith was not the original drummer for this band...
Jeffrey Alexander You're right is was Aysley Dunbar.
Who's the additional backup singer/keyboardist, and why?
+SPL01519 - I was wondering about that myself. I guess it was done to make up for the loss of Deen's backing vocals.
+SPL01519 Travis Thibodeaux from Lockport, La
What happened to OMar Hakim?
+Jae Beez Just a temporary filler to finish the tour they were on when Dean had his issues.
"Loocing ground im reashin for you." Lolol
...he's laughing all the way to the bank
As the Queen sing, too much jazz will kill you...
paul, You obviously dont play a real drummer would never make that comment and bye the way Ringo dud some amazing things with his (shit) drum set take some time and slap on your ear buds on your way to the music store to add to your 105 piece drum kit Remember a small kit exsposes a drummers weaknesses
2 key board players?.....................is the 2nd guy juiced in................Arnie is soundin' off......maybe he needs a rest
There's an awful lot of stupid posts who are now claiming to be mind readers................smh
They really need to take a few years off from touring, Arnel's voice will be gone by 2018 otherwise.
is that dean castronovo? its look like bruce willis to me...
not the same without dean. that drummer is barely moving. arnel still sounds good
He's barely moving, and still nailing the drum part...that he wrote!
Walk in the park, wheres the drugs? Yes folks it is hard to play the same songs over and over for 40 years, its hard mentally, their thinking about what movie their going to watch in the hotel room tonight.
Steve smith is a monster fusion jazz drummer but not for rock the band sounds with out power, cheese hands, they need a real rock drummer.
If Jeff Scott Soto was singing, this would be an epic lineup !!!
I prefer Deen on drums.
first!!
Remember the MILFs went mad for this song in the cow shed near home. I loved it too, if for nothing else for the mammaries...memories. I meant memories. Ahem...
Everybody is worried about Steve? OMG the singer is sooooooooo Flat!!!!!!!!!!!!!
arnel is broken, wow
john looks bored.
Take nothing from Steve Smith, but this needs Deeno! And who is the extra keyboard player dancing like a used car salesman at a singles bar. For fuck's sake!
+Derik Novak That's so funny!! when I watched, it made me laugh out loud!! dancing like a f'in moron..... makes Journey look bad!! for fuck's sake....lmao
+Derik Novak Exactly, who is that guy?
+Derik Novak Agree that guy looks like someone at the Holiday Inn bar at 5pm. And Steve S. Love him, but this is hard to watch.
I had to listen again; and that outside guy sounds like he's competing with Arnel. No coordination. When Arnel stops, that guy keeps going and is upping his volume. Not good!
This is upsetting to me. I was jacked about this tour and s smith. I had no idea deens vocals would be an issue but appears it is. True Steph
Dude can't record properly :(
im sorry steve, too much jazz brother for this gig.
u are not the man for this gig anymore even if u were part of it .
this band needs a ROCK DRUMMER not a fusion/jazzy guy.
jose tyiopuy agreed. He is way too good for this even if he did write it. He looks sooo bored.
What's wrong with Steve's approach to the drum parts that he composed? They still sound solid. Does it bother you that he's playing the right way now, as opposed to bashing his joints into oblivion like Neil Peart did? He's fine. Give it a rest.
Arnel diffently had lost his voice ,time to trade him.
Omg...looking like Geriatric musician's tryin to keep up with an energetic teenager. My god...where is the energy at boys. If this all u got left..stay home. Glad I skipped the show here. Damn. Lmao
Shange Your Mind?
Flat 40% of the song.
Boycot Arnel.
Is this a Journey cover band? No power at all. Disappointed.
very boring drummer
+michael collums you probably dont even know who he is.
+michael collums steve smith is one of the best drummers in the WORLD and there is NO ONE more technically precise. never much for flash and style but he is the best pure musician on any stage he steps on. he has toned down his kit so he doesn't have dozens of unnecessary cymbals and over-sized drums. but he hasn't been in a R'N'R environment for a while which is what you are noticing. i will say that i'm a bit confused by his motivation to re-join Journey at this point. perhaps is Perry were to come back and they were to write new music it would make sense. now, without Perry and new music, they are essentially an 80's cover band of their old music. it's purely a money play at this point and not about artistic creativity. i hope that changes.
+michael collums Very boring drummer? HAHAHAH! You're very simple minded. Go back to listening to Travis Barker and your Blink 182.
Karaoke. :D
Disappointing!!!
oh please get him off the Stage. A want to be a star. stop imitating the real Steve. sick to listen to him . yuk puke.
the drummer is so bad!!!!