Having been in Patricia’s shoes I applaud the team that believed her and secured a conviction. I wish this was more commonplace. I really hope she manages the trauma it gave her. Sadly I wasn’t but I’ve learned to love and I’m now a trainee forensic scientist. I made good of the bad. ‘Patricia’ you’re a strong survivor and you are amazing.
You have my deepest sympathy for the trauma, the aftermath of dealing with it & especially not being taken seriously & supported. It sounds like you've managed your trauma successfully & created a good life for yourself. I sincerely hope this is so & you manage to maintain a happy balance in your life. It's wonderful that you turned things around, so to speak, & got a career out of it. Well done you. 👍 All the best to you & yours, hoping ya'll stay healthy & safe. ☮️💜 from 🇨🇦
With you training to be a forensic scientist I can only but imagine how many countless people you will help to get justice throughout your lifetime. Bravo and Kudos to you. 👏👏👏👏
You expect a crime-loving, criminal-coddling Leftist state like Oregon to severely punish crime? If anything, the state would seek to mitigate that vile humanoid's crime as much as possible! Criminals and criminality in these morally bankrupt and corrupt Leftist states have far more value than victims, even in the case of a very innocent, precious victim like a baby 😡
O how refreshing it is to have an actual victim speak in an episode!!! This is definitely a first for me for this series, I've seen ALOT of these but never with a first person account.... Ok back to it 😌😁
Some of us live in countries where you can't even report råpe, because you'll be further shamed, asked degrading questions and sent away. Glad Patricia was able to get justice.
Ok, not good, so what about public awareness campaign. Don't go to the cops since they're useless, don't say it to anyone personally. But print posters "So-and-so raped me on the (date)", add picture (his, not yours!), glue that on his house' walls at night, use good glue and good paper so it's hard to clean, make sure you don't get nicked coz that'd be stupid, repeat the glueing when he's managed to clean up his wall. And repeat and repeat etc. Also, try & get hold of his relatives' and colleagues' phone numbers (and his boss/es), hide your mobile number and send them a warning text, also repeat so they get fed up with him who brings that to them. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, and so does a woman.
@@derekbaker777 never mind c or x in that case, the old drawn, quartered and hung is a damn good idea for that one. In that order, not hanged first - that wouldn't do justice to the kid. Coz don't tell me that lowly bastard had been all sweet and nice at all times to the kid before and then suddenly turned into a monster. Question is, what was the mother thinking when staying with him. Let's hope she got cured of that.
At least the cops believed her and were proactive, even if they should just lock these people up and throw away the key. I reported my ex and because he claimed it never happened and wouldn't admit it he never even got arrested let alone tried or put in jail. The cop just said it was just emotional language. He died later on from his heart condition thankfully but never got any consequences.
That first case…the rapist should get an additional 10 years for refusing to admit any wrong doing. He is probably out now and doing it again. Both cases show the worst scum.
It's a cruel twist of fate for Patricia White, having committed no lapse in judgement, to be victim of such heinous crime. My compliments to your stoic courage Patricia!
I was thinking that as well , she's a strong woman !! 11 years doesn't seem long enough for this POS , maybe our brothers in the pen will make his stay nice and comfortable !!!!!!!!!!
@Wreck and Carey if anyone on this planet deserves to be raped.. I guess its rapists.. hopefully this guy won't even have the luxury of being drugged first.
@@michaeldailey7103 so you think that among the felony prison population rapists are held in such low regard that they are regularly raped? You really should do some more research on life in prison.
I would like to say that never declaring evil is real is never bullying God.Sure,God will never embarrass itself.Sure God knows everything right.I promise you this if any of you ever do say evil is real...I believe the insult to God's intelligence could cost any adult especially those over 50 and getting feeble minded by 80 could cost them..the love of God.
@@nnoneymoney7642 Trust me on this, God does not get insulted or cares for that matter, what anyone thinks of him. God gave freewill to each and everyone of us to follow him,if we wish to. The devil's biggest con is that he does not exist....or that God made me do it. lucifer was once a bright 🌟 star that denounced God because he wanted to take his place. You see what an overinflated ego lands you?
Oh no. I know what the second case is. I still think of it quite often. Thank goodness he got caught. To value the life of a little person far less than your revenge... And to kill a child so hands-on, purely out of spite, to hurt someone else...
As in! I never! I bet he spent time thinking of the worst way to hurt her on her birthday and decided on this. He should never be let out. Demonic behavior!
@@MadScientist267 Indeed I did. Thank you for pointing out that sin. It went hand in hand with idleness, but I am slowly gaining the victory through Jesus.
This man who killed a 2 year old just got 25 years to life??? I would have given him 99 years in prison without parole! Anyone male or female, young or old , who killed a child, an elderly person or an animal deserves to rut in jail for the rest of their lives. It is horrible what this poor toddler went through. I can’t even begin to imagine the terror of this child in his eyes and face being asphyxiated. What an evil monster he is, he doesn’t deserve to breath the air he is breathing. A very sad case, really sad.
Had he lived in Tx, he would have…when the’re is the threat of the death penalty, you’sd be surprised how few actually commit such horrific crimes to get the ultimate punishment. You can count those on death row on one hand (there may be quite a few waiting but that’s because the appeal process takes about 15-20 yrs so the justice system exhausts any possibility someone else did it).
Why are sentencing so light for rape? A life is virtually destroyed or altered forever. The rapist is evil. Why is evil rewarded with negligible jail time? Why?
Not just that, but rapists never stop being rapists.. theyre infamous for reoffending as soon as they are released! In fact I've seen more than enough of these shows where they get released and just figure that from now on they're gonna start killing their rape victims instead. If they had just gotten a meaningful sentence for the rape none of the murders would have happened.
It's infuriating that they waited so long to test her for GHB in spite of multiple indications that she had possibly been drugged, and instead took the time to discuss everything with the rapist and the party goers while developing a story that she was just drunk and somehow consented to sex while being so intoxicated she was unable to get home by herself and suffered memory loss. Even if she hadn't been drugged it was still rape.
I agree same as these people coming into Emergancy rooms super sick and unexplainable systems except ethylene glycol poisoning but they don’t test till it’s to late every time , drives my nuts
Watch the video carefully. They took the sample the same time she was being interviewed initially. They have to send it off and that takes days to test. They also need to wait for it to be out of her system so they can collect a control sample to test. Watch 17:17. Also they said it lasts only about 12 hrs in your system, so they had waited so long to interview everyone, it would have been gone by then.
The cops, detectives, and medical staff jumped into helping her pretty dang quickly from what I saw. The cop could’ve just taken the dude’s word that she was just his drunk gf and left her with him, but he didn’t. Let’s give credit where it’s due, they didn’t do anything wrong here.
I was drugged with GHB and it was completely undetectable. No taste… I couldn’t move or speak and memories came and went. Other women had the same experience in Vancouver in the 1990’s. The cops did nothing but blame it all on me. Same for the other women.
Wow! I have done it before. It was only a tiny cap of it and it was clear, no flavor at all. It was similar to drinking a ton of liqour. Never did it again🤷 I didn't like it also sorry this happened to you😢
Good work by the police--in an earlier era they would have just sent her back to her "boyfriend's" apartment. Like the police did with John Wayne Gacy's victims when they tried to escape.
@@jenniferjohnston4403 I think it only happened with Dahmer as I've watched multiple john wayne gacey documentaries and it's never been mentioned that the victim was sent back to him but it definitely did with Dahmer to his 14 year old victim.
Your bravery Patricia is outstanding your strength and determination to prove your bosses guilt, second case of the beautiful baby boy he is more than a monster for killing this little one anyone who kills children, teenagers even adults should be executed immediately no jail sentence, and to be in jail still being able to breath hell no god bless you little one
I am always amazed when I see a woman living with a man who has been convicted of violence and threats against his previous girlfriend. Believing that the type will mysteriously change for her, she puts herself (and her eventual children) in a complicated situation. naivety + negligence = death of a baby
That's victim blaming. Just because a mother is not raising her child the way you want her to doesn't mean she didn't care or didn't love her kid. I see this all the time online. People pretentiously shoving their parenting skills onto others.The evil person was the boyfriend. Period. Blame him if you want to blame someone.
@@living_water- it’s not victim blaming because the victim is the baby not the mother. Victim blaming would be if you said the girl who got raped was asking for it because her skirt was to short or the murder victim was murdered because he or she bumped into there killer because they were walking in the wrong place or a child died because of a tragic accident’’ say the mother took her eyes off her child and that child got killed by a car or a fall or drowned’’ not because she left her baby with someone who was under the influence of drugs and alcohol and had a violent nature. Her baby was the victim of her carelessness.
And then to not personally check on him after not seeing or hearing him for hours! I found that really odd. Probably another tired single mom that would turn back time if they could.
What was she thinking? We don't know.... But it's easy to be Monday evening quarterback... One mistake can be made by anyone, it's just that some mistakes have no fixing up afterwards, sad but true.....
As a mother, you sent your boyfriend in to check on your child after you hadn't heard from your child for an extended period of time? Then conveniently, your boyfriend finds the child unresponsive? Right.🤔
so i found that the mom/mom-type (grandma, aunt, ect) has to follow up. when i was much much younger, a woman i was interested in sent me to check on her little one. i looked, saw him sleep, went back, and told her. she was with her sister. they both raised concern; "he might've been laying there dead, when you check on a baby, you check him, breathing, warm,..." ect. i thought i did it right. fortunately they followed-up. in a parallel situation, i was holding an infant cousin, and seemingly to me, out of nowhere, she started crying. i took her straight to my aunt in the other room. my aunt took the baby, the put her in one arm, and warmed-up a bottle with her other hand, all effortlessly, and all was restored. my aunt poked a little fun at me; "is that why you brought her to me?". i admit, i was scared except i knew my aunt was there.
He will likely serve life, and if it is any consolation, convicts who harm children are the lowest of the low in prison. He will likely be doing hard time regardless of where he is imprisoned. Regarding a full life term, most U.S. prisons are already overcrowded housing non-violent convicts (read easy collars for police and easy convictions for D.A.). While it it may feel emotionally satisfying to imprison someone for life, the important thing is to keep them in prison until they no longer pose a threat. it costs to house an inmate for life? On average it is $40,000 a year. However, as they become elderly that cost goes up significantly.
@@Moodboard39, there are sentencing guidelines. These are set by the legislature. A judge is not all powerful and hand down any sentence he or she likes. He can only apply for parole after 25 years. If was 35 when he was sentenced, for instance, he will not even be able to APPLY for a parole until he is 60. I don’t know about Oregon, but many states rarely grant parole upon the first application and many states also rarely grant parole to anyone serving a life sentence, especially for a murder as egregious and high profile as this.
Just a few hours ago I adopted my cat who I fisted for a year, out to the best family on 18 acres and he is apparently already happy and feeling at home. I miss him but I know he's in a better home. Our dogs wanted to kill him so he spent too much time alone. Im glad you have a great relationship with your cats.
A mother taking a 3 time loser into the home with her kid, and then she cheats on him. Talk about poster child for bad decisions, and unfortunately her son paid the price.
@@visassess8607 "I don't think she cares too much". Wrong. Or she wouldn't have spent so much time writing the events down, risking his anger at each corner afterwards. + it did help that she went back home rather than taking up the offer of shelter, he had already been violent to her, therefore she must have known that she was risking her life by putting herself as a bait so he'd get nicked for his violence to her: at that moment it was not assured that he could be charged for what he did to the kid. Ok, that's the least she could do, but some don't even do that.
After many years I know what ‘s happens to me . Thanks to this crime episode . in Instambul , when I use to worked as a dancer in nightclub. One morning I just wake up in hotel Pera Palas insted my very cheap hotel . I don’t told no one because I know police will not trust me because of my job .
Absolutely disgusting for that man to do what he did to that poor baby boy. The mother had some terrible behavior too, what she did to the guy was super messed up.
Ok, so he rec’d a long sentence of which he serves about 1/7; my testimony put away a robber (held me up at gunpoint) who was given 40 but later I found out he did 6yrs. My only hope is that the other criminals, who killed adults (not a helpless 2yr old) will have their revenge on him.
If the scumbag dosed her after the party why did the co-workers corroborate his story about her being all over him? Bucking for promotions? Sad. And Big Ups to Ms. White for going public like that.
FYI The kids name was changed for the episode his real name was Jeffrey Saunders and his moms real name is Patricia. That one really bothered me! He shouldve gotten the death penalty. 25-life is APPALLING!
I can’t believe the exam they subjected this poor woman to. I understand it’s necessary for prosecution, but I feel like she was violated all over again.
If she was coming on to him...why did he think he needed to drug her? So stupid. Got what he deserved. The second story...god bless Stacy for picking a creep as a significant other. Rip to that poor baby. I hope Stacy never gets out of prison. That was literally premeditated too. Monster for killing a toddler. He literally gave himself away acting a fool inside the Police Station. Though that womam detective had already solved this with a simple test of her own. Denise shouldn't have went home that night. Please ladies be smarter than this woman. 25 years to life? How about life in prison woth zero possibility of parole or the gas chamber.
@@EliteCannagivers, GHB is a knock-out drug. She was *unconscious!* She couldn’t “come on to him” if she’ were unconscious! Nor could she consent if she had no idea what she was doing. 😣
@@inkyguy according to the other employees they stated she came on to him. She was also still under the effects of the GHB when she talked to the cops according to the information stated in the video. The point is she was drugged it could have looked like she was coming on even if she wasn’t. On GHB you black out but that doesn’t mean your sleeping the whole time.
It cracks me up to imagine in the second segment where she has cigarette cellophane in her mouth as she's driving. The other cars passing by and driving beside have no idea that it is in her mouth. I don't know why I find that so funny.
The American crime investigators such as the former FBI profiler, Robert Reesler & others have been invited to Japan to assist to solve the Japanese cold cases. I had seen those American former FBI agents in Japanese crime shows on UA-cam. My sincere commendation to the American advanced scientific investigators. I'm much obliged!!! (12/01/21)
@@SouthPawGirlie Mr. Robert Ressler who has the extensive background in forensic psychology is well known worldwide, & has been invited to numerous European countries, Australia, Japan, S. Korea, etc., to resolve a lot of complex & puzzling crime cases. I'd like to bestow my highest commendation to the advanced high scientific technology of the USA upon America. Approx. over 42,000 murders occur in the US every one year, 15-20,000 in the UK & 200-300 in Japan. Regrettably & unfortunately there are more people committing suicide here in Japan though. Take care amidst the dire plight caused by the omicron virus pandemic. Have a fantastic & fabulous day wherever you reside. From Tokyo. (02/28/22)
@@maureenc5998 So do I. I have a profound veneration for her!! What an astounding crime profiler!!,,,Good for you ,America to have such an incredible humans.!!.
@@Ariadne76-k3dThe victim is Mikey. And yes women in general need to learn to be alone than just accepting trash or wait for a guy who seems worthy of her and her child.
Twenty five years to life for killing a child is almost as obscene as the crime. You’d like to think it would be life and the shit would never get out, but it’s happened before. Life without parole would’ve ensured he didn’t.
Might be mostly ego, but if a woman isn't turned on by me and want to have sexual relations, nothing else would get me excited enough to do the deed. A whacked out sick predator doesn't care about anything but getting their rocks off. Rape is terrible but to drug the victim first should demand life without parole. 'Nuff said.
Crimes against children and vulnerable adults should be automatic death penalty. I do not understand how all these laws are so lax when it comes to sentencing. And Most states have a year or less sentencing guidelines for general child abuse. How.
I always wondered how they could tell regular abrasions from ones made during rape. From my understanding, the vagina actually expands during arousal like one of those balloons used to make balloon animals, so the cervix is farther back if you're horny. I still have a shallow vagina but if I wasn't into it and didn't lubricate it became very painful, especially if the guy was long. Being an escort sucked because of that. Thank you for an in-depth respectful explanation of how rape tests are performed.
second story is pretty sad, the wife cheats her boyfriend on his birthday and on her birthday he kills his kid, she must feel like a she his the reason for getting even, poor kid, he never had any chance, but in the end, being raised by weirdos would maybe make him dis functional
I didn't understand, they kept saying the child was a reminder to the boyfriend of his wife's infidelity. Does that mean the child was conceived during the affair on the boyfriend's birthday, thus being a literal symbol of her unfaithfulness, or just because she'd had the baby with her then-husband, then she divorced and met the boyfriend? Or did he just take it out on the baby because he knew she loved her son more than him?
@@pickles3128 je took it out on the baby as revenge, we had a case similar in montreal , where a man ….a doctor who did not want his girlfriend to see another man, so he stabbed his own 2 sons to get back to her. Imagine stabbing your own little kids of apps 4 years old to hurt the mom, of course she his hurt, but he is in jail,
Having been in Patricia’s shoes I applaud the team that believed her and secured a conviction. I wish this was more commonplace. I really hope she manages the trauma it gave her. Sadly I wasn’t but I’ve learned to love and I’m now a trainee forensic scientist. I made good of the bad. ‘Patricia’ you’re a strong survivor and you are amazing.
You have my deepest sympathy for the trauma, the aftermath of dealing with it & especially not being taken seriously & supported. It sounds like you've managed your trauma successfully & created a good life for yourself. I sincerely hope this is so & you manage to maintain a happy balance in your life. It's wonderful that you turned things around, so to speak, & got a career out of it. Well done you. 👍 All the best to you & yours, hoping ya'll stay healthy & safe. ☮️💜 from 🇨🇦
With you training to be a forensic scientist I can only but imagine how many countless people you will help to get justice throughout your lifetime. Bravo and Kudos to you. 👏👏👏👏
Hope you didn't go down that path just so you could get revenge and create your own justice by fudging test results because of your bias.🤞🤞🤞
For killing a baby, Stacy Brown should have received the death penalty.
Agree and it should have been carried out 30 days after conviction and 1 appeal.
If he gets anywhere near the general prison population, he'll be dealt with.
So true. And 11 years for potentially ruining a woman's life is laughable, especially since he'll likely serve half.
You expect a crime-loving, criminal-coddling Leftist state like Oregon to severely punish crime? If anything, the state would seek to mitigate that vile humanoid's crime as much as possible! Criminals and criminality in these morally bankrupt and corrupt Leftist states have far more value than victims, even in the case of a very innocent, precious victim like a baby 😡
He's in for life. He's not going to be a problem to my family ever again.
Wow he was that upset that he felt killing her child was revenge.. what a sick individual
My mother still struggles with her birthday and what it means after Brown killed my brother, but she's getting better and making new memories.
Tye…it was his son, too!
I lived in Coquille when the 2 year old was killed. There was very little coverage at the time. Interesting to hear the whole story.
O how refreshing it is to have an actual victim speak in an episode!!! This is definitely a first for me for this series, I've seen ALOT of these but never with a first person account.... Ok back to it 😌😁
Well done for the detectives ; not so the judge...only 25 years for killing a child ; should have been LIFE with no parole.
Gerald…Tx has the death penalty, for which he qualified.
Awesome detective work on both cases.
Some of us live in countries where you can't even report råpe, because you'll be further shamed, asked degrading questions and sent away. Glad Patricia was able to get justice.
Ok, not good, so what about public awareness campaign. Don't go to the cops since they're useless, don't say it to anyone personally. But print posters "So-and-so raped me on the (date)", add picture (his, not yours!), glue that on his house' walls at night, use good glue and good paper so it's hard to clean, make sure you don't get nicked coz that'd be stupid, repeat the glueing when he's managed to clean up his wall. And repeat and repeat etc. Also, try & get hold of his relatives' and colleagues' phone numbers (and his boss/es), hide your mobile number and send them a warning text, also repeat so they get fed up with him who brings that to them. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, and so does a woman.
Yes and its fucking sickening
Like where?
Justice on this show was not fully obtain.
Rape should be considered Heinous and killing a child should be death
Yes, I have to say, they did not get the sentence they deserved.
re-title this site CRIMINAL INJUSTICE.....
For drowning the boy,he should have gotten a medievel ececution. Absolutley horrific story
"Ex," not "Ec."
@@derekbaker777 never mind c or x in that case, the old drawn, quartered and hung is a damn good idea for that one. In that order, not hanged first - that wouldn't do justice to the kid. Coz don't tell me that lowly bastard had been all sweet and nice at all times to the kid before and then suddenly turned into a monster. Question is, what was the mother thinking when staying with him. Let's hope she got cured of that.
At least the cops believed her and were proactive, even if they should just lock these people up and throw away the key. I reported my ex and because he claimed it never happened and wouldn't admit it he never even got arrested let alone tried or put in jail. The cop just said it was just emotional language. He died later on from his heart condition thankfully but never got any consequences.
If the law didn't take action, the universe did by making sure he passed.
Love the intuition of great nurses like Belinda Wadell that read psychological damage
That first case…the rapist should get an additional 10 years for refusing to admit any wrong doing. He is probably out now and doing it again.
Both cases show the worst scum.
second case, should have got the death penalty
@@ericverpeten8503 in my opinion, you INTENTIONALLY take a life, you get the death penalty by default…
@@ericverpeten8503 agree
Should've received at least 25yrs!
@@emeraldqueen1994 ditto; an eye for an eye
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It's a cruel twist of fate for Patricia White,
having committed no lapse in judgement,
to be victim of such heinous crime.
My compliments to your stoic courage Patricia!
I was thinking that as well , she's a strong woman !! 11 years doesn't seem long enough for this POS , maybe our brothers in the pen will make his stay nice and comfortable !!!!!!!!!!
@@michaeldailey7103, hope they make him their boy toy and pass him around for "entertainment".
@Wreck and Carey, he gets what he gave! And he deserves everything the big boys do to him, plus!
@Wreck and Carey if anyone on this planet deserves to be raped.. I guess its rapists.. hopefully this guy won't even have the luxury of being drugged first.
@@michaeldailey7103 so you think that among the felony prison population rapists are held in such low regard that they are regularly raped? You really should do some more research on life in prison.
This episode is proof that true evil does indeed exist. Neither got the sentence they deserved.
Evil exists from the beginning of time.
The first case, he could have killed her with giving her GHB of an amoynt to make her unconscious. 11 years is way to little.
@@johannas.l.brushane2518, that's our wimpy a$$ judicial system.
I would like to say that never declaring evil is real is never bullying God.Sure,God will never embarrass itself.Sure God knows everything right.I promise you this if any of you ever do say evil is real...I believe the insult to God's intelligence could cost any adult especially those over 50 and getting feeble minded by 80 could cost them..the love of God.
@@nnoneymoney7642 Trust me on this, God does not get insulted or cares for that matter, what anyone thinks of him. God gave freewill to each and everyone of us to follow him,if we wish to. The devil's biggest con is that he does not exist....or that God made me do it. lucifer was once a bright 🌟 star that denounced God because he wanted to take his place. You see what an overinflated ego lands you?
Oh no. I know what the second case is. I still think of it quite often. Thank goodness he got caught. To value the life of a little person far less than your revenge... And to kill a child so hands-on, purely out of spite, to hurt someone else...
He is a Maniac
As in! I never! I bet he spent time thinking of the worst way to hurt her on her birthday and decided on this. He should never be let out. Demonic behavior!
@@zazzifizzle
I agree.
You watch too much crime TV
@@MadScientist267 Indeed I did. Thank you for pointing out that sin. It went hand in hand with idleness, but I am slowly gaining the victory through Jesus.
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This man who killed a 2 year old just got 25 years to life??? I would have given him 99 years in prison without parole! Anyone male or female, young or old , who killed a child, an elderly person or an animal deserves to rut in jail for the rest of their lives. It is horrible what this poor toddler went through. I can’t even begin to imagine the terror of this child in his eyes and face being asphyxiated. What an evil monster he is, he doesn’t deserve to breath the air he is breathing. A very sad case, really sad.
Well you're pretty horrible your self. You put an ANIMALS life on par with a CHILD. Evaluate what's right and wrong before you post
This punishment for a animal is pretty beyond harsh.
He has life
He only deserved death, not for the rest of the state he lived in to pay, indirectly, through taxes.
The child killer should have gotten the death sentence.
Had he lived in Tx, he would have…when the’re is the threat of the death penalty, you’sd be surprised how few actually commit such horrific crimes to get the ultimate punishment. You can count those on death row on one hand (there may be quite a few waiting but that’s because the appeal process takes about 15-20 yrs so the justice system exhausts any possibility someone else did it).
Watching remembering all those who were lost Sept. 11th 2001.
People that do this type of thing reall deserve the same treatment. Hopefully while locked away it happens hard and it happens often.
Been waiting for this one whole weekend
Why are sentencing so light for rape? A life is virtually destroyed or altered forever. The rapist is evil. Why is evil rewarded with negligible jail time? Why?
Because our society is patriarchcal
since when was 11 years negligible jail time. it's not 1 lost life it's 2! crime is destructive and everyone is a loser. sad but true
Not just that, but rapists never stop being rapists.. theyre infamous for reoffending as soon as they are released! In fact I've seen more than enough of these shows where they get released and just figure that from now on they're gonna start killing their rape victims instead. If they had just gotten a meaningful sentence for the rape none of the murders would have happened.
@@andrewmacdonald3078 your comment is kinda confusing... are you saying he should have got less than 11 years?
Look up the haltzclaw sentence. He deserved all those years
It's infuriating that they waited so long to test her for GHB in spite of multiple indications that she had possibly been drugged, and instead took the time to discuss everything with the rapist and the party goers while developing a story that she was just drunk and somehow consented to sex while being so intoxicated she was unable to get home by herself and suffered memory loss. Even if she hadn't been drugged it was still rape.
I'm certain the party goers were coached by their boss, the rapist.
I agree same as these people coming into Emergancy rooms super sick and unexplainable systems except ethylene glycol poisoning but they don’t test till it’s to late every time , drives my nuts
Watch the video carefully. They took the sample the same time she was being interviewed initially. They have to send it off and that takes days to test. They also need to wait for it to be out of her system so they can collect a control sample to test. Watch 17:17. Also they said it lasts only about 12 hrs in your system, so they had waited so long to interview everyone, it would have been gone by then.
Everything doesn't happen the way it's portrayed. They know how much time it stays in the system before it disappears.
The cops, detectives, and medical staff jumped into helping her pretty dang quickly from what I saw. The cop could’ve just taken the dude’s word that she was just his drunk gf and left her with him, but he didn’t. Let’s give credit where it’s due, they didn’t do anything wrong here.
I was drugged with GHB and it was completely undetectable. No taste… I couldn’t move or speak and memories came and went. Other women had the same experience in Vancouver in the 1990’s. The cops did nothing but blame it all on me. Same for the other women.
That is awful! I am so sorry that happened to you!
No surprise corrupt old Canada
Canada or Washington?
Wow! I have done it before. It was only a tiny cap of it and it was clear, no flavor at all. It was similar to drinking a ton of liqour. Never did it again🤷 I didn't like it also sorry this happened to you😢
@@lisakarson3279 for me it was like a cap of super salty water…
dear Mikey never had a chance being around those monsters
What a POS!! Why would someone do that to an innocent child! 🙄
Good work by the police--in an earlier era they would have just sent her back to her "boyfriend's" apartment. Like the police did with John Wayne Gacy's victims when they tried to escape.
Didn’t that happen with Dahmer, too?
@@jenniferjohnston4403 I think it only happened with Dahmer as I've watched multiple john wayne gacey documentaries and it's never been mentioned that the victim was sent back to him but it definitely did with Dahmer to his 14 year old victim.
Your bravery Patricia is outstanding your strength and determination to prove your bosses guilt, second case of the beautiful baby boy he is more than a monster for killing this little one anyone who kills children, teenagers even adults should be executed immediately no jail sentence, and to be in jail still being able to breath hell no god bless you little one
I am always amazed when I see a woman living with a man who has been convicted of violence and threats against his previous girlfriend.
Believing that the type will mysteriously change for her, she puts herself (and her eventual children) in a complicated situation.
naivety + negligence = death of a baby
Thank the lord that you're no one's counsellor.
They always want the bad boy.
@@gracefullikeagazelle sweet lies are always more com forting then the cold bitter truth...grow a pair b
@@shawnhutchinson479 *than
Lots of cons out an about, bet u have a few in your family
How could a Mother be Sooo BLIND? She goes to bed and leaves her child with her drug addict boyfriend?? What was she thinking??
That's victim blaming. Just because a mother is not raising her child the way you want her to doesn't mean she didn't care or didn't love her kid. I see this all the time online. People pretentiously shoving their parenting skills onto others.The evil person was the boyfriend. Period. Blame him if you want to blame someone.
@@living_water- it’s not victim blaming because the victim is the baby not the mother. Victim blaming would be if you said the girl who got raped was asking for it because her skirt was to short or the murder victim was murdered because he or she bumped into there killer because they were walking in the wrong place or a child died because of a tragic accident’’ say the mother took her eyes off her child and that child got killed by a car or a fall or drowned’’ not because she left her baby with someone who was under the influence of drugs and alcohol and had a violent nature. Her baby was the victim of her carelessness.
@@ellymay1455 She should have been charged with endangerment or neglect or something. Terrible mother!
And then to not personally check on him after not seeing or hearing him for hours! I found that really odd. Probably another tired single mom that would turn back time if they could.
What was she thinking?
We don't know....
But it's easy to be Monday evening quarterback...
One mistake can be made by anyone, it's just that some mistakes have no fixing up afterwards, sad but true.....
Imagine a criminal lying. How outre.
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As a mother, you sent your boyfriend in to check on your child after you hadn't heard from your child for an extended period of time? Then conveniently, your boyfriend finds the child unresponsive? Right.🤔
so i found that the mom/mom-type (grandma, aunt, ect) has to follow up. when i was much much younger, a woman i was interested in sent me to check on her little one. i looked, saw him sleep, went back, and told her. she was with her sister. they both raised concern; "he might've been laying there dead, when you check on a baby, you check him, breathing, warm,..." ect. i thought i did it right. fortunately they followed-up. in a parallel situation, i was holding an infant cousin, and seemingly to me, out of nowhere, she started crying. i took her straight to my aunt in the other room. my aunt took the baby, the put her in one arm, and warmed-up a bottle with her other hand, all effortlessly, and all was restored. my aunt poked a little fun at me; "is that why you brought her to me?". i admit, i was scared except i knew my aunt was there.
Just by reading what you wrote. I doubt, you would expose your child to a violent ex-con. The rest, would not have happened.
@@templer46 thank you; especially not after what me and my baby sister went through long ago
I found that crazy, first thing you do as a mother every morning is check on a baby...
Those poor women. I don't think you ever get over something like this, but I hope they went on to happier lives without evil men like this in it.
Yes! A new upload! Love it!
The other good one is the FBI Files!!
@@eriksmith4085 yes. The FBI FILES IS GOOD
@@eriksmith4085 I'm also watching it. I'm watching various crime documentaries, but others, they just stopped uploading new ones.
@@Fan-zx1lz I agree, but The New Detectives narrator's voice sounds better.
@@LearnwithMaricelLastrilla Yes. I agree he has a clear voice.
First case : WHY ONLY 11 YEARS?!
Second case : 25 years to life? Why not just say life?
stupid judge
I find the time for rape often very low, even when it is a child. I don't understand because they won't stop; just throw away the key.
He will likely serve life, and if it is any consolation, convicts who harm children are the lowest of the low in prison. He will likely be doing hard time regardless of where he is imprisoned.
Regarding a full life term, most U.S. prisons are already overcrowded housing non-violent convicts (read easy collars for police and easy convictions for D.A.).
While it it may feel emotionally satisfying to imprison someone for life, the important thing is to keep them in prison until they no longer pose a threat.
it costs to house an inmate for life? On average it is $40,000 a year. However, as they become elderly that cost goes up significantly.
@@Moodboard39, there are sentencing guidelines. These are set by the legislature. A judge is not all powerful and hand down any sentence he or she likes.
He can only apply for parole after 25 years. If was 35 when he was sentenced, for instance, he will not even be able to APPLY for a parole until he is 60. I don’t know about Oregon, but many states rarely grant parole upon the first application and many states also rarely grant parole to anyone serving a life sentence, especially for a murder as egregious and high profile as this.
@@inkyguy They were probably thinking life without the possibility of parole
Hey yall....Me and my cats just woke up..now we are watching while folding my clothes..Purrfect Caturday....
Yay, there you guys are! My cats and Chihuahua and I are watching on the porch. Nice breeze.....🌴
@@BrittMFH wow you guys are early today...
@@kimkatz2444 For sure, I'm working on it. 🙂
I read cat turd day 😁
Just a few hours ago I adopted my cat who I fisted for a year, out to the best family on 18 acres and he is apparently already happy and feeling at home. I miss him but I know he's in a better home. Our dogs wanted to kill him so he spent too much time alone. Im glad you have a great relationship with your cats.
I love the acting of this show
A mother taking a 3 time loser into the home with her kid, and then she cheats on him. Talk about poster child for bad decisions, and unfortunately her son paid the price.
Agree.
Well said ! Now she has to live with her terrible decisions
@@tiffanysantiago516 I don't think she cares too much
@@visassess8607 "I don't think she cares too much". Wrong. Or she wouldn't have spent so much time writing the events down, risking his anger at each corner afterwards. + it did help that she went back home rather than taking up the offer of shelter, he had already been violent to her, therefore she must have known that she was risking her life by putting herself as a bait so he'd get nicked for his violence to her: at that moment it was not assured that he could be charged for what he did to the kid. Ok, that's the least she could do, but some don't even do that.
pure evil to kill a child to get his revenge on his girlfriend.
I hope the child killer has a long and painful life in prison.
Those 25 years will feel like life when the fellow inmates learn he killed a toddler.
I sure hope so
After many years I know what ‘s happens to me . Thanks to this crime episode . in Instambul , when I use to worked as a dancer in nightclub. One morning I just wake up in hotel Pera Palas insted my very cheap hotel . I don’t told no one because I know police will not trust me because of my job .
So sorry hun. 🤗😟
Sorry Babe. Hope you have no memories of it all
Absolutely disgusting for that man to do what he did to that poor baby boy. The mother had some terrible behavior too, what she did to the guy was super messed up.
What an evil monster killing that innocent baby. My heart is broken.
Ok, so he rec’d a long sentence of which he serves about 1/7; my testimony put away a robber (held me up at gunpoint) who was given 40 but later I found out he did 6yrs. My only hope is that the other criminals, who killed adults (not a helpless 2yr old) will have their revenge on him.
If the scumbag dosed her after the party why did the co-workers corroborate his story about her being all over him? Bucking for promotions? Sad. And Big Ups to Ms. White for going public like that.
"why did the co-workers corroborate his story about her being all over him". Crossed my mind too. Only possible answer : he told them to do it.
@@basicdesign1 Yah. Gotta be.
FYI The kids name was changed for the episode his real name was Jeffrey Saunders and his moms real name is Patricia. That one really bothered me! He shouldve gotten the death penalty. 25-life is APPALLING!
Detective Karsher was very astute on this case regarding this child's death. Anyone doing Meth rarely ends well.
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If you enjoy this channel, you will most likely enjoy 'the fbi files' channel also.
As soon as she said salty I thought GHB
New episode awesome .....thanks
I am disgusted that Patricia's coworkers claimed she was going out with him.
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Where do these women find these disgusting men?? She must have been pretty naive. Poor little kid, he didn’t stand a chance….
Thank you. Horrible crimes. Thank God for the law enforcement involved.
Still like this channel hope you upload more. 🙏
I can’t believe the exam they subjected this poor woman to. I understand it’s necessary for prosecution, but I feel like she was violated all over again.
The 2 case is just plain sad r.i.p baby boy you are now in heaven with the other angels and angel babies
Why only eleven years for _rape and sodomy_ - isnt that also kidnapping? But still, eleven years is insane for such extreme crimes.
Very interesting reconstruction. One remark: police officers do not wear guns in interrogation rooms, do they?
I wonder if they went back to that liquor store they'd find an empty vial in the parking lot.
Or looked at security camera footage.
If she was coming on to him...why did he think he needed to drug her? So stupid. Got what he deserved. The second story...god bless Stacy for picking a creep as a significant other. Rip to that poor baby. I hope Stacy never gets out of prison. That was literally premeditated too. Monster for killing a toddler. He literally gave himself away acting a fool inside the Police Station. Though that womam detective had already solved this with a simple test of her own. Denise shouldn't have went home that night. Please ladies be smarter than this woman. 25 years to life? How about life in prison woth zero possibility of parole or the gas chamber.
She came on to him after she was drugged. He drugged her before dinner when they were on the way to the restaurant.
@@EliteCannagivers, GHB is a knock-out drug. She was *unconscious!* She couldn’t “come on to him” if she’ were unconscious! Nor could she consent if she had no idea what she was doing. 😣
@@inkyguy according to the other employees they stated she came on to him. She was also still under the effects of the GHB when she talked to the cops according to the information stated in the video. The point is she was drugged it could have looked like she was coming on even if she wasn’t. On GHB you black out but that doesn’t mean your sleeping the whole time.
@@EliteCannagivers Ohhh ok. I guess i missed that. That makes sense.
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I love listening to the narrators pleasant and masculine voice.
Excellent shows
So cool
Oh how wrong he is!
God will make him pay for all of this. Karma!!!
Just 25yrs??? Evil world we are living in,
No.
Job welldone
If I found out she cheated on me I would have just dumped her.Its not the childs fault.
It cracks me up to imagine in the second segment where she has cigarette cellophane in her mouth as she's driving. The other cars passing by and driving beside have no idea that it is in her mouth. I don't know why I find that so funny.
The American crime investigators such as the former FBI profiler, Robert Reesler & others have been invited to Japan to assist to solve the Japanese cold cases. I had seen those American former FBI agents in Japanese crime shows on UA-cam. My sincere commendation to the American advanced scientific investigators. I'm much obliged!!! (12/01/21)
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@@SouthPawGirlie Mr. Robert Ressler who has the extensive background in forensic psychology is well known worldwide, & has been invited to numerous European countries, Australia, Japan, S. Korea, etc., to resolve a lot of complex & puzzling crime cases. I'd like to bestow my highest commendation to the advanced high scientific technology of the USA upon America. Approx. over 42,000 murders occur in the US every one year, 15-20,000 in the UK & 200-300 in Japan. Regrettably & unfortunately there are more people committing suicide here in Japan though. Take care amidst the dire plight caused by the omicron virus pandemic. Have a fantastic & fabulous day wherever you reside. From Tokyo. (02/28/22)
I love Candice Delong
@@maureenc5998 So do I. I have a profound veneration for her!! What an astounding crime profiler!!,,,Good for you ,America to have such an incredible humans.!!.
next ones about a child? nope, dont watch those.
You gotta hand it to that investigator. She put a plastic choking hazard in her mouth just to prove it was murder
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how can people be so cruel...try to find out, please before you enter any relationship
I am sure people do. Don't even think about blaming the victim.
@@Ariadne76-k3dThe victim is Mikey. And yes women in general need to learn to be alone than just accepting trash or wait for a guy who seems worthy of her and her child.
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I love these shows
Why did he target the baby for its mother’s behaviour? Disgusting coward.
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I really found the case about the little boy quite disturbing and beyond evil!
How could this beast murder
Little annocent Angel 😇 Mikey
God plaugh upon him.
R.I.P little Mikey
Love 😘 you
I feel sorry for the little boy 😔
First one very drawn out and so much repetition…..
Twenty five years to life for killing a child is almost as obscene as the crime. You’d like to think it would be life and the shit would never get out, but it’s happened before. Life without parole would’ve ensured he didn’t.
Better yet, get the death penalty, which is something all child killers should get.
Yep the West seems to love it’s criminals to get out and do it again.
This man giving me a Jim Jones vibe SMH............ SICK!
Might be mostly ego, but if a woman isn't turned on by me and want to have sexual relations, nothing else would get me excited enough to do the deed.
A whacked out sick predator doesn't care about anything but getting their rocks off. Rape is terrible but to drug the victim first should demand life without parole.
'Nuff said.
Crimes against children and vulnerable adults should be automatic death penalty. I do not understand how all these laws are so lax when it comes to sentencing. And Most states have a year or less sentencing guidelines for general child abuse. How.
I always wondered how they could tell regular abrasions from ones made during rape. From my understanding, the vagina actually expands during arousal like one of those balloons used to make balloon animals, so the cervix is farther back if you're horny. I still have a shallow vagina but if I wasn't into it and didn't lubricate it became very painful, especially if the guy was long. Being an escort sucked because of that. Thank you for an in-depth respectful explanation of how rape tests are performed.
Nightmare fuel before bed 🛌
*Sweet dreams everyone*
11 years seems very lenient.
His narcissism caused pain that spread like a ripple on a pond after a tossed stone.
Justice!
second story is pretty sad, the wife cheats her boyfriend on his birthday and on her birthday he kills his kid, she must feel like a she his the reason for getting even, poor kid, he never had any chance, but in the end, being raised by weirdos would maybe make him dis functional
I didn't understand, they kept saying the child was a reminder to the boyfriend of his wife's infidelity. Does that mean the child was conceived during the affair on the boyfriend's birthday, thus being a literal symbol of her unfaithfulness, or just because she'd had the baby with her then-husband, then she divorced and met the boyfriend? Or did he just take it out on the baby because he knew she loved her son more than him?
@@pickles3128 je took it out on the baby as revenge, we had a case similar in montreal , where a man ….a doctor who did not want his girlfriend to see another man, so he stabbed his own 2 sons to get back to her.
Imagine stabbing your own little kids of apps 4 years old to hurt the mom, of course she his hurt, but he is in jail,
*girlfriend. They weren't even married. They shouldn't have been having sex to begin with!
11 years, probably out on 3. Nice