It's awesome that you admit that the large effect of powder coating surprised you; most people (especially youtube creators) would've tried to explain the observation straight away (and most likely be wrong). Kudos!
Thanks. Answered my question why an aluminum stop sleeve slid off a 1/4" galv wire rope as I tensioned it. Wasn't supporting a weight, so no damage. I changed to using a loop with ferrule.
Have ya'll gotten around to any extended testing with powder coat cable - either with stop sleeves or with oval compression sleeves? I'm curious about the implications on terminations made on powder coated lines.
Just curious. What would happen if you used two stops, one tight behind the other? If the cable shrinks under load, wouldn't a copper crimp like used to make a loop have the same problem?
That is a good question and is worth testing! I suspect that they would still slip. The oval sleeves grip the cable better because they have significantly longer contact surface, so it is possible that if we stacked up enough stop sleeves to reflect that much contact surface, we would get better results. Regardless, the manufacturer does not recommend that, so we don't either. Watch for future videos though - we might give it a try!
@@thechicagoflyhouseinc1865 Also, suppose you needed a stop sleeve but didn't have one. Suppose you use a regular crimp sleeve but fold back the end and put it in the other side but even with the end of the sleeve? Like to see the failure mode on that setup in your puller.
Which end does the stop go on? The instructions that came with my "ferrule and stop set" clearly show the stop going on the long end of the cabel, not the short end that's cut. That doesn't make any sense to me. Shouldn't the stop go on the end that could theoretically pull loose? If you want I can email you pictures. I don't know if I'm describing this clearly. If you already have a video on this, please reply with a link :)
Amy, the idea is to put the stop where it is need to do the job. It may be that the instructions show the stop on the far end of the cable because that cable needs to thread though something in order to be used. You should put the stop where you need it, but be cautious of the load you are putting on it, as noted in the video. They are not very efficient, and can fail at much lower loads than the wire rope itself.
How do you crimp them? Using 1 size smaller than the rope size? A ⅛ wire rope double sleeve for example gets crimped in a ⅛ crimp tool, but the ⅛ stop sleeve will not crimp in a ⅛ crimper tool hole. I don't know why I've had to watch like 12 videos about these already and nobody has said how, or shown how to actually crimp a stop sleeve. Industry secret or something?
The tools used to make the crimps are different for the oval and the stop sleeve. You need to get a tool made for crimping stops. It is not one size smaller that the oval crimper - it is designed and sized specifically for stop sleeves.
Yeah, what exactly was the point of this? Better said, why use a title such as you did, vs, oh, I dunno, how about “uselessness of ferrules as stops, backed by math and applied science,” that way, I wouldn’t have wasted the last 5 minutes of my very short life, and, as collateral effect, not wasting yours either.
Good to know people are still testing the hardware for real time results 👍💯🇺🇸
Oh my goodness, thank you! No one has explained this better on YT and you did it quickly and efficiently.
It's awesome that you admit that the large effect of powder coating surprised you; most people (especially youtube creators) would've tried to explain the observation straight away (and most likely be wrong). Kudos!
I subscribed for this reason only :)
thanks, short quick to the point with a demonstration of caveats. This was greatly appreciated
Thanks. Answered my question why an aluminum stop sleeve slid off a 1/4" galv wire rope as I tensioned it. Wasn't supporting a weight, so no damage. I changed to using a loop with ferrule.
Now I know what a stop sleeve is for...
Exactly what I was looking for! Awesome video.
Great video. Can you provide videos on tools used to assemble both sleeves? Proper assembly for the amateur would be greatly appreciated.
I just sub’ed merely because you’re from My hometown.
You made oval compressions fun! :) Thanks. This was helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Interesting findings .
Great video
Every young boy wants a Break-a-matic for Christmas. Sometimes Dad doesn't come through and we get a stupid iPhone instead.
what sleeves do you recommend? Tools etc.
Thanks for this. Now I can hang my clothesline xD
Great information! Thank you.
This was an awesome video
Thanks !!
Glad you liked it!
Put a little flux on it and then a little solder or lead to increase the hold weight.
Powder coating probably fills the valleys on the cable and don't allow for the stop to catch as well.
Thank you
You're welcome
Have ya'll gotten around to any extended testing with powder coat cable - either with stop sleeves or with oval compression sleeves? I'm curious about the implications on terminations made on powder coated lines.
We have not done further testing on powder-coated versus regular GAC, but it is a great idea for a video, and we will put it on our list!
Let’s see powder coated cable and oval sleeves in the break-o-matic.
Seems like there could be a significant difference not normally accounted for.
Just curious. What would happen if you used two stops, one tight behind the other? If the cable shrinks under load, wouldn't a copper crimp like used to make a loop have the same problem?
That is a good question and is worth testing! I suspect that they would still slip. The oval sleeves grip the cable better because they have significantly longer contact surface, so it is possible that if we stacked up enough stop sleeves to reflect that much contact surface, we would get better results. Regardless, the manufacturer does not recommend that, so we don't either. Watch for future videos though - we might give it a try!
@@thechicagoflyhouseinc1865 Also, suppose you needed a stop sleeve but didn't have one. Suppose you use a regular crimp sleeve but fold back the end and put it in the other side but even with the end of the sleeve? Like to see the failure mode on that setup in your puller.
Which type of coupling using 4 mm ss spring wire joining (both side of steel road end)
Which end does the stop go on? The instructions that came with my "ferrule and stop set" clearly show the stop going on the long end of the cabel, not the short end that's cut. That doesn't make any sense to me. Shouldn't the stop go on the end that could theoretically pull loose? If you want I can email you pictures. I don't know if I'm describing this clearly.
If you already have a video on this, please reply with a link :)
Amy, the idea is to put the stop where it is need to do the job. It may be that the instructions show the stop on the far end of the cable because that cable needs to thread though something in order to be used. You should put the stop where you need it, but be cautious of the load you are putting on it, as noted in the video. They are not very efficient, and can fail at much lower loads than the wire rope itself.
Thank you.
Thank you Sir!
I searched for “how to use a thimble”. Like for sewing. I have ended up in very much the wrong place.
Dang, UA-cam really took you down the wrooong street...
They are called thimbles so technically you brought yourself here by your own accord lol. This is much better than sewing too lol.
How do you crimp them? Using 1 size smaller than the rope size? A ⅛ wire rope double sleeve for example gets crimped in a ⅛ crimp tool, but the ⅛ stop sleeve will not crimp in a ⅛ crimper tool hole.
I don't know why I've had to watch like 12 videos about these already and nobody has said how, or shown how to actually crimp a stop sleeve. Industry secret or something?
The tools used to make the crimps are different for the oval and the stop sleeve. You need to get a tool made for crimping stops. It is not one size smaller that the oval crimper - it is designed and sized specifically for stop sleeves.
get it in color
Skip. Doesn't show you how to use the sleeves, just babbles on about empirical load-bearing testing to make it seem scholarly, instead of practical.
Yeah, what exactly was the point of this? Better said, why use a title such as you did, vs, oh, I dunno, how about “uselessness of ferrules as stops, backed by math and applied science,” that way, I wouldn’t have wasted the last 5 minutes of my very short life, and, as collateral effect, not wasting yours either.
Hi
This video is trash. Buffers way to much