Brock you're a cool dude, I guess I never really though about it but seeing you help people with this stuff is great and sometimes it's taken for granted. The help is much appreciated my friend
@@BrockMcGoff I am from Pakistan.I want to buy a new watch from Amazon..I have added 2 watches daniel wellington and orient. .please guide me which watch should i nees to buy??i mean which watch is more durable and long lasting??
@@BrockMcGoff Thank you..i want to know about leather strap watches..Is leather strap durable and long lasting? ?Can original leather strap change color with passage of time??
pulifric look harder. You can get sapphire around that price. If you want accurate time use your phone. If you want something with heritage grab a Seiko or Orient Automatic. People pass on their Swiss or Japanese automatics. No one will pass on those garbage overpriced Chinese watches.
Couldn't agree more. All valid points. General rule I follow in addition: if the brand is a clothing company and not a watch company, it's probably not worth getting. Generally they'll be cheap watches made by another company under license with the brand label slapped onto it.
for the price of a DW i would rather buy a Seiko 5 or Vostok Amphibian or Orient Ray II all of which are automatic and have a history behind each brand
I like how the Linjer doesn't even put their logo on the dial, they're relying on putting out a quality product and hoping the buyer is going to recommend it due to good user experience. Daniel Wellington seem to rely more on getting instagram shots of their watches.
Swiss quartz is not as a rule more desireable than Japanese, it's just that the japanese do all price ranges while the swiss stay away from the lowest end. The best quartz movements, both in absolute measures, and relative to price, are still Japanese. Edit: Oh, for a moment there I thought you said a Swiss movement is «more desirable than A Japanese one", as if in general, but you said "THE Japanese one", as in this particular movement. Well in that case you are off course right. My bad. I would however, indeed say that a 10$ Japanese quartz is more desirable than a 10$ Swiss quartz.
thats true.. im an absolut sucker for quartz watches, and the two most accurate watches im owned is for one a citizen (and therefor with a myota movement) and a jaques lemans with, you guess it, a myota movement. other movements, ronda, seiko or casio dont even come close
The Swiss watches are a master piece. But they rely heavily on marketing and branding essentially making them more of a jewelry , status symbol pieces rather than a tool.
Every steel has anti-corrosive properties, that's what distinguishes it from iron! Apart from that: nice video, your non-snobby view on quartz is appreciated
Most of my collection are mainly just quartz pieces that I bought to try and understand what styles I like. Recently I just bought my Tag Heuer Aqua Racer as I decided that's my favourite style
Not a fair comparison as DW can be had for around 75 bucks online while Linjer sell their watches for 3X the price through their website. Anyhow, both are shiny pieces of pure crap. If your budget is sub 200, look at Orient and Seiko.
True. Maybe you should have mentioned that in the video so people know that DW is not just lower quality but also much lower price. Funny thing is that you can find replicas of DW online for like 10 bucks that are of exact same quality as the real thing, probably made in the same factory in China too haha.
HellzAngelz...Very silly comment. Even saying more is not worth it. You obviously know f*%* all about watches and most certainly nothing about quality.
I appreciate the effort that you put into comparing the two watches and giving a basic outline of what to look for in a watch, but it's hard to see it as an honest review knowing that Linjer sponsors you. I mean, how can you say that this is not a sales pitch with a straight face when you have a discount code in the video description? I understand that part of what keeps a fashion channel alive is the brand sponsorship so I'm not mad at you for keeping the channel sustainable; what does bother me is you trying to disguise the product you're being paid to promote as your genuine recommendation to those who are new to quality watches. If you do even the bare minimum amount of research into watches in this price range, you know that there are watches with a similar aesthetic with far better quality from more established/reliable companies. With that in mind, maybe pairing up with a subpar Kickstarter brand for a video centered around watch quality wasn't the best idea. I think something like a style recommendation video that doesn't revolve so much around the brand but still discusses fashion tips with watches was better suited for a sponsored video like this. Even if you were to keep the format the same, AT LEAST don't treat us like we're stupid and say "this is not a sales pitch." Just embrace that it's a sponsorship, be open and honest about it, and hope that the video will at least be a gateway for people to search out better options. At least that way you're being transparent with your audience. Brock, I love your stuff but deceptive marketing like this infuriates me. For those of you who are looking for actual quality at this price range, check out r/watches' buying guide; it's far more comprehensive and not sponsored: www.reddit.com/r/Watches/wiki/buyingguide
My brother bought a fake DW for 3$ (when he was travelling) looks identical to the one in the video I would even say that the quality of both is not that huge of a difference 😂
@Peter Aremone I mean the components. 90% of the components are made in China then later assembled elsewhere in Japan. Most Japanese industries heavily rely on Chinese imports of parts. It is almost wrong to say Japanese brands make these products since they pretty much only assemble the product
actually, most minimalistic watches like linjer, brathwait, dw etc are more of aesthetic. Though its still subjective to one's taste. I personally like minimalist designs which is really simple and clean type like those linjer, brathwait thought i don't have one. I think its like different target market. If you're really into quality you wouldn't really buy these. but if you're into aesthetic only then its good. Names of the brand often displayed in the case also plays a part. I personally think seiko watch are ugly af. Especially the brand name itself SEIKO. Its just me maybe. but i do see some of seiko's minimalistic watch are really nice, just that the brand name makes it ugly for me. so i still think its subjective to one's taste.
I have been on a watch kick. I have bought Hamilton mechanical, Seiko auto (2) and a couple of Casio. Also my first solar Citizen eco drive. I have a Seiko 5 auto that I have had for twenty years, beat up but still runs well. I also bought a couple of LL Bean field watches and have been wearing them to work. Most of the watches I have bought in the last ten years have been Casio. What do you think of these brands. And if I thin out my mass buys how much will I loose? 50%? IMO the Citizen will do everything I need and keep the Bean for a work beater along with some old Casio.
Thanks for the tips. I am unlikely to ever pay more than $40.00 (including tax) for a watch though your explanation about the glass and leather made the video worth watching.
Exactly look at this, is below $150 Tissot T-Classic Everytime White Dial Mens Watch T1096101603700 www.amazon.com/dp/B01LDXRM12/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_-QwKAbQ4S541E
Tissot watches are ugly and almost never come without a day/date complication, which leads to asymmetry on the dial. Fashion watches are much more attractive than tissot and especially seiko watches. Swiss watchmakers need to get with the times. Minimalism is the style now. Less is more.
The most I'd spend on a Quartz watch is $50. Get a timex for $20, Casio for $15, etc. I like to compare a lot of watches to a tissot for eta movements and an orient star for Japanese movements. For a watch enthusiast, you'll buy your own straps: metal, leather or other material. The 2 things most watch enthusiasts look into is the movement (in house or stock, and grade) and the metal the case is made out of. Stainless steel is okay, 304L is better, titanium is even better, and precious metals are on a whole different level. So when you hear about a (example) brass, in house modded v-7750 with 80hr power reserve going for $300, you do everything in your power to reserve one.
While citizens are a big name, I've had their eco drive watches for years and not needing to change the battery is a huge cost benefit in the equation of overall value. Especially with how cheap you can get them on sites like jomashop.
Thank you for providing an honest accounting of watches Brock. There is nothing inherently wrong with quartz like you say. Im glad you acknowledge that fashion watches are usually overpriced for their quality. If you haven't checked out Urban Gentry's youtube channel, I highly recommend it. He reviews quality timepieces that have real history.
The DW Watch is an incredible waste of money. The cost of making it is less than 5 dollars and you can buy them straight from China. All they added was branding.
If you are concerned about the leather, there are a couple of options. 1) swap out the strap. Nearly every watch of this price range or higher you can swap out the strap. 2) All leather cracks. Use leather conditioner on it every few months to keep it nice and supple. It also cleans the leather and allows the leather to stay good for years to come. Genuine while not the best leather, it is not bad. Once again, use conditioner on the leather and it will last longer. While most people buy watches based upon the strap (I am guilty of this), you can change that and put on a much higher quality strap that looks better than the original. I feel like the only main difference between these two is the glass, which both have their advantages as you have mentioned. I prefer crystal, but it is a preference. Just my two cents, still a good video, and I think it is very informative.
Nice video! Also check out Christopher Ward C5 595, sometimes they do half off on those watches which comes around under $400, for the money, you get a manual watch under 6mm thick. They are really well made as well.
The funniest thing is.... the leather market is the lowest it's been in decades because the ass has fell out of the industry. Barely breaking even in my country, even though we make heaps from our own animals. Yet SOMEHOW these people want to cheap out on stuff ALREADY at near worthless prices. Coz a lot of animal hides here are just going straight to landfill.
The Linear is a MUCH better purchase. More refined size and better quality for sure, having the Ronda movement, Sapphire Crystal and screw back case. Good video.
Thank you Brock for your good advice. I have watched every video lol and the one when you talk about colors and matching them with your skin is worth so much. Keep going, you are helping people to improve. Thanks a lot! :)
How about Tissot T085410A ? I got it for 260$ because i liked it visually but after watching your video i got a bit concerned about the quality of the band and the stainless steel. If sombody knows about watches could u guys tell me if it’s a good watch judging from it’s materials ?
Both watches are cheap in the nasty sense imo. The minimalist's case is too thick for a dress watch, and the watch is too boring for casual attire. The worst things about it though. A) Look at the crystal again in the video (it is termed crystal in terms of horology - not glass) at acute angles you can't read the dial at all, it is a complete blur: that is because a cheap sapphire crystal has been used. I'd take an average mineral crystal over that - even the DW watch does not suffer from this problem. B) Second hands on quartz watches, especially cheap watches almost never line up and it can be clearly seen in your video that the minimalist watch suffers from this exact problem. The second hand does not line up - again the DW is better for not having a second hand. Better to not have the hand, than to have it look that bad, plus to have the second hand kind of goes against the name and branding idea of the watch to begin with. C) The case on the minimalist looks like a nasty, big block of steel (it lacks elegance). Forgetting the comparisons...your video misses out an awful lot. How robust is a given watch? Where is the need for form to match function? That is to say, people should choose a watch that matches their lifestyle. An SKX 007 watch can be had in this price range. It has a very robust automatic movement, it has hardlex crystal which on the face of it should be inferior to the sapphire on this watch, except it is not, it's superior, as the hardlex allows for a flat relatively thin crystal, that is very clear, suffers from non of the problems of this minimalist watch/no blurring - and the hardlex crystal allows for the watch to also be a fully certified dive watch - with 200 metres water resistance. The SKX is also not a homage watch, but a stone cold classic watch that can be found in the collections of people who also own high end Rolexs, Pateks etc. Vastly superior watch for less money. Now, not everyone wants a dive watch. If people are more interested in dress watches, or sports/casual or other tool watches, again their are vastly superior options. For not much more money, especially if buying used, someone interested in a dress watch could buy a Seiko Sarb 033 or Seiko Sarb 035 - Black or cream dial. Both watches come with a quality sapphire crystal unlike the minimalist. Both watches come on a steel bracelet with solid end links and a solid steel deployment clasp, the watches have brushed and polished finishing, both are elegant, both are 23 jewel movements, that are also allow hand winding and both watches are hackable and also have see through casebacks - quality signed crown etc. Again vastly superior. Seiko 5s represent cheaper alternatives that are still superior. Citizen is also a brand in this price bracket that offers vastly superior options. For sports watches at affordable prices people can look at Casio G-Shocks, for tool watches Hamilton with their basic Khaki field watch - as with the Seiko Sarb watches, Hamilton offer fine detailing, superior leather straps, an engraved clasp, engraved crown, superior sapphire again. If people want quartz around this price you could look to a Seiko Flightmaster that offers a chronograph and additional timezone, or maybe at a push evn a Citizen Nighthawk - both offer superior cases, additional timezones and useful rotating tool bezels, You can't just do a 1,2,3 of watch buying it doesn't work in such simple terms. Though if you were going to do that - you do realise that you haven't covered case size, case depth or lug length, never mind lug width? For dress watches you want to ensure the case depth is not too much, so the watch slips easily under the cuff. For general wear you want to match the case size to the wrist size, otherwise you can look ridiculous and buy something that is way too small or conversely end up buying a monstrosity. One of the most important and often overlooked considerations in buying a watch is the lug length, as it is this measurement that will dictate, more than most how well or badly any watch fits the wearer. A 42mm pilot watch might have short lugs and fit a small wrist and look good, whereas a small 38mm field watch could have very long lug length and only really fit a man with a 7.5/8inch wrist. These things are key considerations in buying a watch. Lug width will dictate strap options, as will any notion of a built in or propitiatory strap design. Quite a few watches these days have been designed with idiotic dimensions, such as 17mm, 21mm, 23mm lug widths. These massively limit after market strap options, and this needs to be considered by people who like to change up their straps, those considering a NATO or Zulu strap ect. This is also a consideration in terms of the long term and eventual strap replacement. Instead of a poor checklist, it is FAR better that those considering a purchase - do a lot of research into all of the considerations that need to be taken into account to avoid a mistaken purchase. Form and function - a watch that matches your lifestyle and meets your requirements - that should come first and foremost. Fit - those measurements - are critical as well. And you want to see as many options as possible in term of style and brands etc. For that I would strongly recommend going into stores with the sole purpose of trying watches on - whilst avoiding any urge to buy. This will automatically give anyone a feel for such things. And I would also strongly recommend looking in on a youtube watch channel such as The Urban Gentry - because the guy behind that channel has hundreds of watch videos going back a few years and it contains all the kind of stuff I am speaking of and he rates watches of all differing styles according to the "bang for your buck" and "price range" plus his comments are full to the brim with watch aficionados offering their views which add colour and balance and much needed discussion - this even allows you to understand the pros and cons of many possible watch purchases. Sorry for being critical. On one level I get what you are doing and certainly some of the advice is good and better than no advice, but as a watch collector I just see a lot of issues and pitfalls in this 1,2,3 - a,b,c. I am sure some of what I said can be disputed and subjectively taken to task as well - I just think getting to know the subject at hand is a better route to success when it comes to buying watches.
Nice video. Wery informative. It made me look diferently on a few things about watches. I do however think that if the quarts movements gets the job done equally good, the cheeper one would be to prefer as it brings moore value for the money. Also 5he dials on the DW looked elegant and not as rough as the other brand.
Should I get Brathwait watch as my first watch? I only want one watch and not going to wear it as a style, just want a simple clean watch that I can read time easily(what a watch should be) and good modern style. How about Linjer minimalist watch with tan leather strap? I like a watch with light brown leather strap and white face minimalist design, numerical number or bar dial both ok and if the second hand is yellow color.
just to add to the point about Japanese quarts vs Swiss quarts, Japanese movements can be just as good. the Grand Seiko has a quarts movement that is off 5 seconds max per year which is just as good if not better than the Swiss quarts movements. in fact Seiko invented quarts movement. chineese movements are pretty much always very cheap budget movements, but when it comes to Japanese vs Swiss, you have to judge on a case by case basis.
Gregory LaPerche Honestly, rule #1 of buying a watch is buying one that you'll enjoy wearing without having regrets. That's what matters most, if u buy an Omega and hate it, why keep it?
Not quite. GS has three types of movements: Mechanical, Quartz and the Spring Drive. The Spring Drive is still a pure mechanical movement, but uses a quartz regulator to brake the seconds hand, keeping the time more accurate.
It's poor taste to talk badly about someone else's style of. No, DW is not the best value for money or has the history of other brands like Seiko or Timex. But by all means if you like Daniel Wellington or anything really who should stop you from spending your money how you want. Just be aware of what your buying.
Okay, so the DW watch has inferior movement, leather and glass. By that I can assume the stainless steel is also inferior which is just a further indictment of fashion watches which are really just in the business for the money.
3:55 Great video, but from what I have heard, a domed sapphire crystal actually has more shatter resistance than a flat one. It's not purely aesthetic, although it does look nicer in my opinion.
I have a citizen, it's nice and big , but I prefer my cheap digital watch. I don't have to worry about it getting broken with a big rubber case, I do however has to set it back to the time clock at my work every week. It's all what you like ! Just like you said.
Btw I just wanna add I'm a 5'7 guy and I have found all your videos (I just found your channel last week so I binge watched around 25 vids) very helpful, informative, honest and well made. You look like a genuine g who inevitably cares about the quality of the videos first and foremost and given the youtube fashion community I value that more than anything. Keep it up man! Greetings from Macedonia.
I'm not talking about the case depth, I'm talking about the diameter. It's definitely too big for his wrist. A dress watch looks better and more refined at between 34-38mm case diameter. The thinness of the case makes it look even bigger.
For the normal sized guy, you're pretty spot on. But if you are 6'6" and an ex-football player ( US Football ) with a 23 cm / 9 inch wrist, like I am, even a 40 mm watch looks like a child's watch on the wrist. I get around it by wearing dress watches that are rectangular....that way they can be larger from lug to lug than the normal watch, and still not be 50 mm's from 9-3.
But I want a minimalist watch but most of them are knockoff or cheap watch but sell at high price. Premium and popular brand watches are expensive, and they are not that minimalist design. I just want a minimalist watch that I can read time easily
Seriously....have you checked Timex. They have the Metropolitan 40 mm, and then there is the Fairfield Sub - Second 41 mm watch. Both are under $100 USD and you can buy them straight from their web site. My Great Uncle passed in the early 1990's and left me his watch. I thought ..."Oh good, I am going to PP or a Rolex." Nope...the man was a multimillionaire who ware a manual wind mid 1960's Timex. He also drove a 1974 Chrysler Cordoba Coupe.
You make good points but in all honesty at this price point and sort of style I would recommend Citizens Stiletto line of watches. For a start both companies you mention are not longstanding watch companies which is not a problem other than if you are spending this sort of money it would be nice to have a watch from a well established watch company. Secondly both movements are nothing special, the ronda is no better than the other. With the Citizen you get eco-drive so you are getting a watch that you are not going to have to change the battery with. You also get sapphire crystals on the Stilettos. Simply it runs rings over both options you have given for the same price and in fact if you buy online even cheaper! www.citizenwatch.eu/kollektion/stiletto/
The Stiletto is a great line. Slightly different aesthetic than the Linjer watches, though (they are true minimalist watches). I love the size of the Stilettos, but I do prefer the three hand + date movement of the Linjer. Edit: I agree with your point of buying established brands. But also, every brand was new at one point. There's plenty of room for new watchmakers, and some may be much bigger and more reputable in the future.
well like others mentioned before me, if you want a nice budget watch look no further than Seiko, Orient or Citizen. In addition to this i would like to mention other notable european brands like Skagen , Junkers and Zeppelin. I think the last two are produced by the same company. I personally like the Swatch watches a lot i find them affordable (yes plasticky) but so fashionable.
Try not to mix in a Fossil brand in a recommondation . . ? Other than that do I agree. Just feel like adding that some of the problem with the other mention brands is that (at least the three first) dont offer minimalistic design (similar to DW). Junkers have minimalism, but are any of them under 40mm? Minimalism is as much about negative space as positive, and often minimalistic watch design are just blown up in size and it doesnt work as well. Which is some of the problem I have with DW.
Good notes re: leather. Various nations have laws stipulating terms that describe the part of the hide ('full grain' must have the outer skin portion, the toughest and densest, even if it is skived or thinned down to a mm or two thick) and 'genuine leather' can be as he describes, basically ground beef, with a veneer of vinyl or acrylic which creates the finish, but will wear or dissolve away. Still, these appear to be much more about designer styling than durable watches, so fashion will always drive the price, and neither will be around in three years.
I’d be surprised if these brands weren’t around in three years. Many will die off, but probably not these two. Remember: every brand was new once, including Rolex and Seiko.
Brock, thank you man, your video came about at the right time as I was about to purchase a summer fun Watch . Do you offer. Any discounts on those Linjer watches
DW watches are worth if it cost 10-15 US Dollars.They are cheating with customers.they made Lowest quality watch with highest price.DW watches are junk.just hate DW.
DW watches really are a total rip-off. You can get the same quality from an analogue Casio for $20 (which contains a Seiko-Epson quartz movement of higher quality than the DW, and a case and strap of at least the same quality). You can get a Pulsar quartz watch in the sales for perhaps $35-40 which will be much better made (styling may not be to everyone's tastes as they are essentially just cheap Seiko watches). And if you actually have $250 you're well into Seiko, or top-end Citizen with radio-controlled time, or a Swiss piece like a Tissot. Why does anyone buy DW when I believe another UA-camr established that some of the "knock-offs" on AliExpress are 100% identical down to the movement used. The only good thing about the DW is that Miyota movement. It really is all you'll ever need from a quartz watch - reliable, accurate and long-lasting. The Japanese have the mechanicals totally licked, they just work.
DW $229 off their website is a rip off. The Timex Fairfield has the same look and feel and cost only around $60-80 off Timex's website. I think if someone really really wants a DW it's best to get it off Amazon for just under $100, although I've heard some DW on Amazon are fake so... be weary of that.
Inherent value? Neither of these watches will ever have any inherent value over the amount that was paid. They may have some perceived value...to the person who fell for whatever sales pitch they believed. Paying extra for a Swiss movement just so you can have "swiss movement" on the dial, is just as bad as paying extra for a "DW" on the dial. But IMHO both of these watches are fashion watches/accessories and in that vain, "inherent value" is really a silly discussion.
+mafioso so you're saying that full grain leather isn't inherently more valuable than genuine leather? Sapphire crystal isn't inherently more valuable than mineral glass? If that was were the case, why the price difference for the individual parts (or raw materials), even at the wholesale level?
The Modest Man Full grain leather is more valuable than genuine leather. Sapphire is more valuable than mineral glass. But full grain leather and sapphire on a cheap, made-in-china watch with a cheap mass produced quartz movement (Rhonda or Miyota) is lipstick on a pig. They are both fashion watches in any light.
i have two daniel wellington watches and have 2 reasons 1. in germany they cost under 100€ (little bit over 100$) 2. they are really thin its hard to find cheap thin watches and even in 40mm they are great for thin people but i agree they are not worth the original daniel wellington price unless you want a really thin watch
Check out Urban Gentry channel (or others - TGV is my favorite for many reasons) for this info, he has done many on the subject this video is going for. On the Wrist said what I was thinking, other than "leather? , sure but - if it's a deal, change straps, or go bracelet, which wasn't even mentioned as an option. Research what you're buying, it doesn't take very much time and TRY IT ON first, all things many horology channels will tell you in a much better, but still VERY simple and short video.
Complains about fashion watches, while comparing to another fashion watch. If you like minimalist designs that are true bauhaus pieces look at Junghans, Stowa or Nomos Glashütte for example.
Brock you're a cool dude, I guess I never really though about it but seeing you help people with this stuff is great and sometimes it's taken for granted. The help is much appreciated my friend
Thanks, Kevin. Much appreciated!
Why is this comment pinned. Silly question, I know. :)
@@BrockMcGoff I am from Pakistan.I want to buy a new watch from Amazon..I have added 2 watches daniel wellington and orient. .please guide me which watch should i nees to buy??i mean which watch is more durable and long lasting??
@@aliaslam2729 Orient 👍🏻
@@BrockMcGoff Thank you..i want to know about leather strap watches..Is leather strap durable and long lasting? ?Can original leather strap change color with passage of time??
Nice video. But for this price point you can have an Amazing Seiko or Orient automatic watch.
Both excellent choices!
Actually both Seiko and Orient are far far better choices, if not linked to Linjer, this might be what you would have said.
On the wrist Exactly.
pulifric look harder. You can get sapphire around that price. If you want accurate time use your phone. If you want something with heritage grab a Seiko or Orient Automatic. People pass on their Swiss or Japanese automatics. No one will pass on those garbage overpriced Chinese watches.
Both far, far better choices.
Couldn't agree more. All valid points. General rule I follow in addition: if the brand is a clothing company and not a watch company, it's probably not worth getting. Generally they'll be cheap watches made by another company under license with the brand label slapped onto it.
+William Moran excellent point! Watches are kind of like sunglasses in that way.
For the record: that's not an affiliate link, and I don't get commissions on Linjer sales. I'll leave your comments up, but try to keep it respectful.
Not true. Do you know about the brand Louis Vuitton? and some of there watches?
How about fossil? Ive bought the townsman and i quite like it but would like your opinion.
i have a townsman too. Brock what's your takes on Fossil watches? Would love to know your opinion.
If you really care about your leather, slap a butterfly clasp on it'll slow down the deterioration of the leather.
Noor Hussain looks better too
Floyd Burkett yes it really does and is defo worth it.
Straps come and go. No big deal.
daniel welligton boys in the dislike haha
for the price of a DW i would rather buy a Seiko 5 or Vostok Amphibian or Orient Ray II all of which are automatic and have a history behind each brand
I agree... I'll top up a little bit to get a Seiko Turtle Batman, hands down. GOtta burn that DW away...
I would top up even for a Seagull 1963
I like how the Linjer doesn't even put their logo on the dial, they're relying on putting out a quality product and hoping the buyer is going to recommend it due to good user experience. Daniel Wellington seem to rely more on getting instagram shots of their watches.
1. Don't be poor
2. Be rich
3. Be able to spend atleats 500 dollars
4. Don't be poor
Why on earth would you spend 200+dollars on a chinese watch when you can spend the same amount for a real swiss Tissot watch ?
Swiss quartz is not as a rule more desireable than Japanese, it's just that the japanese do all price ranges while the swiss stay away from the lowest end. The best quartz movements, both in absolute measures, and relative to price, are still Japanese.
Edit: Oh, for a moment there I thought you said a Swiss movement is «more desirable than A Japanese one", as if in general, but you said "THE Japanese one", as in this particular movement. Well in that case you are off course right. My bad. I would however, indeed say that a 10$ Japanese quartz is more desirable than a 10$ Swiss quartz.
thats true.. im an absolut sucker for quartz watches, and the two most accurate watches im owned is for one a citizen (and therefor with a myota movement) and a jaques lemans with, you guess it, a myota movement. other movements, ronda, seiko or casio dont even come close
6:23 I hate when the second hand is going between the hatches, especially in a 250$ watch.
P. S. anyway good comparison video.
The Swiss watches are a master piece. But they rely heavily on marketing and branding essentially making them more of a jewelry , status symbol pieces rather than a tool.
Every steel has anti-corrosive properties, that's what distinguishes it from iron!
Apart from that: nice video, your non-snobby view on quartz is appreciated
Most of my collection are mainly just quartz pieces that I bought to try and understand what styles I like. Recently I just bought my Tag Heuer Aqua Racer as I decided that's my favourite style
Not a fair comparison as DW can be had for around 75 bucks online while Linjer sell their watches for 3X the price through their website. Anyhow, both are shiny pieces of pure crap. If your budget is sub 200, look at Orient and Seiko.
+Aymanali Jumma the fact that they discount from $229 to $75 is a testament I their quality. I never said it was a fair comparison 😉
True. Maybe you should have mentioned that in the video so people know that DW is not just lower quality but also much lower price. Funny thing is that you can find replicas of DW online for like 10 bucks that are of exact same quality as the real thing, probably made in the same factory in China too haha.
***** lol okay watch guru, my seiko watches are all trash.
HellzAngelz...Very silly comment. Even saying more is not worth it. You obviously know f*%* all about watches and most certainly nothing about quality.
I appreciate the effort that you put into comparing the two watches and giving a basic outline of what to look for in a watch, but it's hard to see it as an honest review knowing that Linjer sponsors you. I mean, how can you say that this is not a sales pitch with a straight face when you have a discount code in the video description? I understand that part of what keeps a fashion channel alive is the brand sponsorship so I'm not mad at you for keeping the channel sustainable; what does bother me is you trying to disguise the product you're being paid to promote as your genuine recommendation to those who are new to quality watches. If you do even the bare minimum amount of research into watches in this price range, you know that there are watches with a similar aesthetic with far better quality from more established/reliable companies. With that in mind, maybe pairing up with a subpar Kickstarter brand for a video centered around watch quality wasn't the best idea. I think something like a style recommendation video that doesn't revolve so much around the brand but still discusses fashion tips with watches was better suited for a sponsored video like this. Even if you were to keep the format the same, AT LEAST don't treat us like we're stupid and say "this is not a sales pitch." Just embrace that it's a sponsorship, be open and honest about it, and hope that the video will at least be a gateway for people to search out better options. At least that way you're being transparent with your audience. Brock, I love your stuff but deceptive marketing like this infuriates me.
For those of you who are looking for actual quality at this price range, check out r/watches' buying guide; it's far more comprehensive and not sponsored:
www.reddit.com/r/Watches/wiki/buyingguide
250?? You can buy a seiko solar for almost that price.... Damn
My brother bought a fake DW for 3$ (when he was travelling) looks identical to the one in the video I would even say that the quality of both is not that huge of a difference 😂
A 70$ Seiko 5 is way better than those china made watches
+Xavier Tan wearing the SNK805 right now 👍🏻
Seiko is like 90% made in China
@Peter Aremone
I mean the components. 90% of the components are made in China then later assembled elsewhere in Japan. Most Japanese industries heavily rely on Chinese imports of parts.
It is almost wrong to say Japanese brands make these products since they pretty much only assemble the product
I have a Seiko 5 automatic . Omg. It is 100%. Better then this garbage .
Hi. New collector here. I own the SNK in olive and the linjer Oslo (99 on black Friday 😳). I love both for very different reasons ❤️
actually, most minimalistic watches like linjer, brathwait, dw etc are more of aesthetic. Though its still subjective to one's taste. I personally like minimalist designs which is really simple and clean type like those linjer, brathwait thought i don't have one. I think its like different target market. If you're really into quality you wouldn't really buy these. but if you're into aesthetic only then its good.
Names of the brand often displayed in the case also plays a part. I personally think seiko watch are ugly af. Especially the brand name itself SEIKO. Its just me maybe. but i do see some of seiko's minimalistic watch are really nice, just that the brand name makes it ugly for me. so i still think its subjective to one's taste.
I can't resist automatic second hand beat rate. I just adore my seiko snkl23.
I have been on a watch kick. I have bought Hamilton mechanical, Seiko auto (2) and a couple of Casio. Also my first solar Citizen eco drive. I have a Seiko 5 auto that I have had for twenty years, beat up but still runs well. I also bought a couple of LL Bean field watches and have been wearing them to work. Most of the watches I have bought in the last ten years have been Casio. What do you think of these brands. And if I thin out my mass buys how much will I loose? 50%? IMO the Citizen will do everything I need and keep the Bean for a work beater along with some old Casio.
If it were me, I'd have a hard time giving up the Hamilton and the Seiko 5...
DW are no go on all levels
Or.. you could just opt for Nomos glashütte. Great minimalist mechanical watch and very affordable.
Old quality beats new rubbish
Thanks for the tips. I am unlikely to ever pay more than $40.00 (including tax) for a watch though your explanation about the glass and leather made the video worth watching.
Tip #1, dont buy a fking DW
Btw you can find a swiss made quartz watch in same price range as DW.
Try Tissot 1853.
Imran T78A You can Get a Seiko 5(automatic) for about $50
Exactly look at this, is below $150
Tissot T-Classic Everytime White Dial Mens Watch T1096101603700 www.amazon.com/dp/B01LDXRM12/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_-QwKAbQ4S541E
Tissot watches are ugly and almost never come without a day/date complication, which leads to asymmetry on the dial. Fashion watches are much more attractive than tissot and especially seiko watches. Swiss watchmakers need to get with the times. Minimalism is the style now. Less is more.
Did you click the link? That Tissot is exactly the opposite of what you described...
I still keep my Tissot even though I have a Rolex and an Omega. It's a great entry level swiss made watch.
This guy is a real watch reviewer. Great job job man!! Keep up the good work. I watch a lot of your vids
The most I'd spend on a Quartz watch is $50. Get a timex for $20, Casio for $15, etc.
I like to compare a lot of watches to a tissot for eta movements and an orient star for Japanese movements.
For a watch enthusiast, you'll buy your own straps: metal, leather or other material. The 2 things most watch enthusiasts look into is the movement (in house or stock, and grade) and the metal the case is made out of. Stainless steel is okay, 304L is better, titanium is even better, and precious metals are on a whole different level.
So when you hear about a (example) brass, in house modded v-7750 with 80hr power reserve going for $300, you do everything in your power to reserve one.
While citizens are a big name, I've had their eco drive watches for years and not needing to change the battery is a huge cost benefit in the equation of overall value. Especially with how cheap you can get them on sites like jomashop.
Citizen eco-drive is the best ...I wouldn't trade it for nothing affordable an well made
My new Citizen says something about Thailand on the strap, and Genuine Leather. Uh oh?
Avoid Daniel Wellington.
It is a cheaply made fashion watch that is heavily promoted but low on quality and high on price for what you are getting.
thankyou for teaching me about genuine leather first watch video ive seen explaining this!!!!
Thank you for providing an honest accounting of watches Brock. There is nothing inherently wrong with quartz like you say. Im glad you acknowledge that fashion watches are usually overpriced for their quality. If you haven't checked out Urban Gentry's youtube channel, I highly recommend it. He reviews quality timepieces that have real history.
I love his channel. He's the reason I've started getting more into watches. Great personality too, very fun to listen to.
I'm quite happy with my Timex's, Armitron all under a hundred dollars.
DW is $85 on amazon
Linjer is $249
It's 3 times the price difference.
You pay for what you get.
+greentealatte agreed, you often get what you pay for (not always with watches), and the DW has all of the hallmarks of a cheaper watch.
i always think that DW is over priced and not worth the money. And Brock u prove it, thanks for helping the gents out there to make wise decision :)
+Adau Chan 👊🏼
I love my Daniel Wellington. Had it at least 5 years.
DW costs litterally $15-$16 USD to produce. They are made in CHINA, just like the LINJER crap brand, they are very similar.
Iphone is also made in CHINA
and Iphone cost 1000USD but only 150USD to produce.....so what was your mess again? :/
What do you guys think about the timeX weekender series?
Alex Awesomepotatosauce Get a $50 Seiko 5, much better than a Timex plus it's automatic
Timex does great watches for the price. A true heritage brand. I am quite take with the Timex Marlin myself.
Good price for a nice looking watch. Just how cheap quality watches should be.
The DW Watch is an incredible waste of money. The cost of making it is less than 5 dollars and you can buy them straight from China. All they added was branding.
I agree. You might as well go on eBay and buy a $10-$25 watch directly from China. At least then you know what you are getting!!
I love the minimalist style, but movement and DW watches ruin it for me, will be checking out the linear!
I feel like they are too spartan. MVMT at least appears to be attempting to address some of this in recent years, though I still won’t recommend it.
First!! Good tips!
Thanks man! #notificationsquad
If you are concerned about the leather, there are a couple of options.
1) swap out the strap. Nearly every watch of this price range or higher you can swap out the strap.
2) All leather cracks. Use leather conditioner on it every few months to keep it nice and supple. It also cleans the leather and allows the leather to stay good for years to come.
Genuine while not the best leather, it is not bad. Once again, use conditioner on the leather and it will last longer.
While most people buy watches based upon the strap (I am guilty of this), you can change that and put on a much higher quality strap that looks better than the original.
I feel like the only main difference between these two is the glass, which both have their advantages as you have mentioned. I prefer crystal, but it is a preference.
Just my two cents, still a good video, and I think it is very informative.
Nice video! Also check out Christopher Ward C5 595, sometimes they do half off on those watches which comes around under $400, for the money, you get a manual watch under 6mm thick. They are really well made as well.
Buy a Tissot if you want a quality Quartz (Swiss Made) watch.
Screw fashion watches.
Why would you spent over $200 for a QUARTZ WATCH
The funniest thing is.... the leather market is the lowest it's been in decades because the ass has fell out of the industry. Barely breaking even in my country, even though we make heaps from our own animals. Yet SOMEHOW these people want to cheap out on stuff ALREADY at near worthless prices. Coz a lot of animal hides here are just going straight to landfill.
"cheap" im actually using a 35dlls watch... and i love it! xD
great video man, as always!
The Linear is a MUCH better purchase. More refined size and better quality for sure, having the Ronda movement, Sapphire Crystal and screw back case. Good video.
+J SKI agreed 👍🏻
DW watches are the worst type of watches according to the price.!!
One of the worst BUT Vincero and MVMT are both still worse.
Thank you Brock for your good advice. I have watched every video lol and the one when you talk about colors and matching them with your skin is worth so much. Keep going, you are helping people to improve. Thanks a lot! :)
Thanks for your support!
How about Tissot T085410A ? I got it for 260$ because i liked it visually but after watching your video i got a bit concerned about the quality of the band and the stainless steel. If sombody knows about watches could u guys tell me if it’s a good watch judging from it’s materials ?
Fair enough...but you can find DW for 60-70 euro everywhere ;) Clearly cheaper than 230$. But yes, the quality is on the cheap chinese side
Both watches are cheap in the nasty sense imo. The minimalist's case is too thick for a dress watch, and the watch is too boring for casual attire. The worst things about it though. A) Look at the crystal again in the video (it is termed crystal in terms of horology - not glass) at acute angles you can't read the dial at all, it is a complete blur: that is because a cheap sapphire crystal has been used. I'd take an average mineral crystal over that - even the DW watch does not suffer from this problem. B) Second hands on quartz watches, especially cheap watches almost never line up and it can be clearly seen in your video that the minimalist watch suffers from this exact problem. The second hand does not line up - again the DW is better for not having a second hand. Better to not have the hand, than to have it look that bad, plus to have the second hand kind of goes against the name and branding idea of the watch to begin with. C) The case on the minimalist looks like a nasty, big block of steel (it lacks elegance). Forgetting the comparisons...your video misses out an awful lot. How robust is a given watch? Where is the need for form to match function? That is to say, people should choose a watch that matches their lifestyle. An SKX 007 watch can be had in this price range. It has a very robust automatic movement, it has hardlex crystal which on the face of it should be inferior to the sapphire on this watch, except it is not, it's superior, as the hardlex allows for a flat relatively thin crystal, that is very clear, suffers from non of the problems of this minimalist watch/no blurring - and the hardlex crystal allows for the watch to also be a fully certified dive watch - with 200 metres water resistance. The SKX is also not a homage watch, but a stone cold classic watch that can be found in the collections of people who also own high end Rolexs, Pateks etc. Vastly superior watch for less money. Now, not everyone wants a dive watch. If people are more interested in dress watches, or sports/casual or other tool watches, again their are vastly superior options. For not much more money, especially if buying used, someone interested in a dress watch could buy a Seiko Sarb 033 or Seiko Sarb 035 - Black or cream dial. Both watches come with a quality sapphire crystal unlike the minimalist. Both watches come on a steel bracelet with solid end links and a solid steel deployment clasp, the watches have brushed and polished finishing, both are elegant, both are 23 jewel movements, that are also allow hand winding and both watches are hackable and also have see through casebacks - quality signed crown etc. Again vastly superior. Seiko 5s represent cheaper alternatives that are still superior. Citizen is also a brand in this price bracket that offers vastly superior options. For sports watches at affordable prices people can look at Casio G-Shocks, for tool watches Hamilton with their basic Khaki field watch - as with the Seiko Sarb watches, Hamilton offer fine detailing, superior leather straps, an engraved clasp, engraved crown, superior sapphire again. If people want quartz around this price you could look to a Seiko Flightmaster that offers a chronograph and additional timezone, or maybe at a push evn a Citizen Nighthawk - both offer superior cases, additional timezones and useful rotating tool bezels, You can't just do a 1,2,3 of watch buying it doesn't work in such simple terms. Though if you were going to do that - you do realise that you haven't covered case size, case depth or lug length, never mind lug width? For dress watches you want to ensure the case depth is not too much, so the watch slips easily under the cuff. For general wear you want to match the case size to the wrist size, otherwise you can look ridiculous and buy something that is way too small or conversely end up buying a monstrosity. One of the most important and often overlooked considerations in buying a watch is the lug length, as it is this measurement that will dictate, more than most how well or badly any watch fits the wearer. A 42mm pilot watch might have short lugs and fit a small wrist and look good, whereas a small 38mm field watch could have very long lug length and only really fit a man with a 7.5/8inch wrist. These things are key considerations in buying a watch. Lug width will dictate strap options, as will any notion of a built in or propitiatory strap design. Quite a few watches these days have been designed with idiotic dimensions, such as 17mm, 21mm, 23mm lug widths. These massively limit after market strap options, and this needs to be considered by people who like to change up their straps, those considering a NATO or Zulu strap ect. This is also a consideration in terms of the long term and eventual strap replacement. Instead of a poor checklist, it is FAR better that those considering a purchase - do a lot of research into all of the considerations that need to be taken into account to avoid a mistaken purchase. Form and function - a watch that matches your lifestyle and meets your requirements - that should come first and foremost. Fit - those measurements - are critical as well. And you want to see as many options as possible in term of style and brands etc. For that I would strongly recommend going into stores with the sole purpose of trying watches on - whilst avoiding any urge to buy. This will automatically give anyone a feel for such things. And I would also strongly recommend looking in on a youtube watch channel such as The Urban Gentry - because the guy behind that channel has hundreds of watch videos going back a few years and it contains all the kind of stuff I am speaking of and he rates watches of all differing styles according to the "bang for your buck" and "price range" plus his comments are full to the brim with watch aficionados offering their views which add colour and balance and much needed discussion - this even allows you to understand the pros and cons of many possible watch purchases. Sorry for being critical. On one level I get what you are doing and certainly some of the advice is good and better than no advice, but as a watch collector I just see a lot of issues and pitfalls in this 1,2,3 - a,b,c. I am sure some of what I said can be disputed and subjectively taken to task as well - I just think getting to know the subject at hand is a better route to success when it comes to buying watches.
1:27, you've earned my respect
Nice video. Wery informative. It made me look diferently on a few things about watches. I do however think that if the quarts movements gets the job done equally good, the cheeper one would be to prefer as it brings moore value for the money. Also 5he dials on the DW looked elegant and not as rough as the other brand.
Should I get Brathwait watch as my first watch? I only want one watch and not going to wear it as a style, just want a simple clean watch that I can read time easily(what a watch should be) and good modern style. How about Linjer minimalist watch with tan leather strap?
I like a watch with light brown leather strap and white face minimalist design, numerical number or bar dial both ok and if the second hand is yellow color.
Leather? Why not just wear a NATO :P
+Tom Vasey I like those too! But this leather strap is so soft and comfortable (wearing it now).
just to add to the point about Japanese quarts vs Swiss quarts, Japanese movements can be just as good. the Grand Seiko has a quarts movement that is off 5 seconds max per year which is just as good if not better than the Swiss quarts movements. in fact Seiko invented quarts movement. chineese movements are pretty much always very cheap budget movements, but when it comes to Japanese vs Swiss, you have to judge on a case by case basis.
Excellent points.
grand Seiko automatic are objectively mechanically superior to any swiss brand, they just have no identity and look very boring
yeah but... GS is a Quartz mechanical hybrid
and also... a tad expensive
but very very good point.
Gregory LaPerche Honestly, rule #1 of buying a watch is buying one that you'll enjoy wearing without having regrets. That's what matters most, if u buy an Omega and hate it, why keep it?
Not quite. GS has three types of movements: Mechanical, Quartz and the Spring Drive. The Spring Drive is still a pure mechanical movement, but uses a quartz regulator to brake the seconds hand, keeping the time more accurate.
I always found people don't know Jack and if it looks nice people will think it's nice
It's poor taste to talk badly about someone else's style of. No, DW is not the best value for money or has the history of other brands like Seiko or Timex. But by all means if you like Daniel Wellington or anything really who should stop you from spending your money how you want. Just be aware of what your buying.
How to avoid cheap watches: Buy it new and pay a lot. Then, by definition, it's not cheap.
Okay, so the DW watch has inferior movement, leather and glass. By that I can assume the stainless steel is also inferior which is just a further indictment of fashion watches which are really just in the business for the money.
I mean, it's $212, but considering I live in EU, and they pay shipping and taxes+the quality? Man, they might've just sold a watch...
3:55 Great video, but from what I have heard, a domed sapphire crystal actually has more shatter resistance than a flat one. It's not purely aesthetic, although it does look nicer in my opinion.
When it comes to watches i always go with Casio for daily activity and Seiko for dress/luxury watch.
If you want a quartz just buy a timex. Timex is a brand with history, excelent designs and really affordable.
So what do you think of Patek or AP? Are they for brand or for quality? If you are talking about leather, Patek uses very high quality leather.
I have a citizen, it's nice and big , but I prefer my cheap digital watch. I don't have to worry about it getting broken with a big rubber case, I do however has to set it back to the time clock at my work every week. It's all what you like ! Just like you said.
4 ways to avoid cheap watches and starts talking about China made quartz watches. What a gaint step in the world of misleading titles.
This was very, very helpful Brock. Thank you!
Btw I just wanna add I'm a 5'7 guy and I have found all your videos (I just found your channel last week so I binge watched around 25 vids) very helpful, informative, honest and well made. You look like a genuine g who inevitably cares about the quality of the videos first and foremost and given the youtube fashion community I value that more than anything. Keep it up man! Greetings from Macedonia.
That Daniel Wellington is WAY too big for a dress watch.
J SKI no because its thin trust me i have 2
I'm not talking about the case depth, I'm talking about the diameter. It's definitely too big for his wrist. A dress watch looks better and more refined at between 34-38mm case diameter. The thinness of the case makes it look even bigger.
Domi Neyer Why would you buy 2? I'd prefer to have 1 Seiko SARB and $100 extra bucks in my pocket, lol.
J SKI A fool and his money are soon parted.
For the normal sized guy, you're pretty spot on. But if you are 6'6" and an ex-football player ( US Football ) with a 23 cm / 9 inch wrist, like I am, even a 40 mm watch looks like a child's watch on the wrist. I get around it by wearing dress watches that are rectangular....that way they can be larger from lug to lug than the normal watch, and still not be 50 mm's from 9-3.
Heck, the second hand does not even line up with the numeral indicators.
3:40 dropped it from where what height bro ? saphire dont break that easy who told you that ?
Such a great video
Both way overpriced look at Seiko or Orient
But Linjer only has 3 atm water proof, why so little?
THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO AVOID CHEAP WATCHES, MAKE SURE YOU GET RICH!
But I want a minimalist watch but most of them are knockoff or cheap watch but sell at high price. Premium and popular brand watches are expensive, and they are not that minimalist design. I just want a minimalist watch that I can read time easily
Seriously....have you checked Timex. They have the Metropolitan 40 mm, and then there is the Fairfield Sub - Second 41 mm watch. Both are under $100 USD and you can buy them straight from their web site.
My Great Uncle passed in the early 1990's and left me his watch. I thought ..."Oh good, I am going to PP or a Rolex." Nope...the man was a multimillionaire who ware a manual wind mid 1960's Timex. He also drove a 1974 Chrysler Cordoba Coupe.
If you want a good watch, go for a swiss watch...or maybe a Seiko
Idk why but i hate it when the ticks of second hand don't match with the markers on the dial
You make good points but in all honesty at this price point and sort of style I would recommend Citizens Stiletto line of watches.
For a start both companies you mention are not longstanding watch companies which is not a problem other than if you are spending this sort of money it would be nice to have a watch from a well established watch company.
Secondly both movements are nothing special, the ronda is no better than the other.
With the Citizen you get eco-drive so you are getting a watch that you are not going to have to change the battery with. You also get sapphire crystals on the Stilettos.
Simply it runs rings over both options you have given for the same price and in fact if you buy online even cheaper!
www.citizenwatch.eu/kollektion/stiletto/
The Stiletto is a great line. Slightly different aesthetic than the Linjer watches, though (they are true minimalist watches). I love the size of the Stilettos, but I do prefer the three hand + date movement of the Linjer.
Edit: I agree with your point of buying established brands. But also, every brand was new at one point. There's plenty of room for new watchmakers, and some may be much bigger and more reputable in the future.
well like others mentioned before me, if you want a nice budget watch look no further than Seiko, Orient or Citizen. In addition to this i would like to mention other notable european brands like Skagen , Junkers and Zeppelin. I think the last two are produced by the same company. I personally like the Swatch watches a lot i find them affordable (yes plasticky) but so fashionable.
Try not to mix in a Fossil brand in a recommondation . . ? Other than that do I agree. Just feel like adding that some of the problem with the other mention brands is that (at least the three first) dont offer minimalistic design (similar to DW). Junkers have minimalism, but are any of them under 40mm? Minimalism is as much about negative space as positive, and often minimalistic watch design are just blown up in size and it doesnt work as well. Which is some of the problem I have with DW.
F-91w all the way.
I've never been this early O_O!!
Nice!
Nice video !
You can get a seiko 5 automatic for the same or even cheaper
Good notes re: leather. Various nations have laws stipulating terms that describe the part of the hide ('full grain' must have the outer skin portion, the toughest and densest, even if it is skived or thinned down to a mm or two thick) and 'genuine leather' can be as he describes, basically ground beef, with a veneer of vinyl or acrylic which creates the finish, but will wear or dissolve away. Still, these appear to be much more about designer styling than durable watches, so fashion will always drive the price, and neither will be around in three years.
I’d be surprised if these brands weren’t around in three years. Many will die off, but probably not these two. Remember: every brand was new once, including Rolex and Seiko.
Both are overpriced. So is the fifth, straight garbage
Brock, thank you man, your video came about at the right time as I was about to purchase a summer fun Watch . Do you offer. Any discounts on those Linjer watches
+Jacques vi yup, 15% discount (link in description).
DW watches are worth if it cost 10-15 US Dollars.They are cheating with customers.they made Lowest quality watch with highest price.DW watches are junk.just hate DW.
Makes me glad that I bought my Victoria Knox $440 instead of getting scammed by one of these fashion watch companies.
DW watches really are a total rip-off. You can get the same quality from an analogue Casio for $20 (which contains a Seiko-Epson quartz movement of higher quality than the DW, and a case and strap of at least the same quality). You can get a Pulsar quartz watch in the sales for perhaps $35-40 which will be much better made (styling may not be to everyone's tastes as they are essentially just cheap Seiko watches). And if you actually have $250 you're well into Seiko, or top-end Citizen with radio-controlled time, or a Swiss piece like a Tissot. Why does anyone buy DW when I believe another UA-camr established that some of the "knock-offs" on AliExpress are 100% identical down to the movement used.
The only good thing about the DW is that Miyota movement. It really is all you'll ever need from a quartz watch - reliable, accurate and long-lasting. The Japanese have the mechanicals totally licked, they just work.
DW $229 off their website is a rip off. The Timex Fairfield has the same look and feel and cost only around $60-80 off Timex's website. I think if someone really really wants a DW it's best to get it off Amazon for just under $100, although I've heard some DW on Amazon are fake so... be weary of that.
DW is like the Hublo of dress watches.
Inherent value? Neither of these watches will ever have any inherent value over the amount that was paid. They may have some perceived value...to the person who fell for whatever sales pitch they believed. Paying extra for a Swiss movement just so you can have "swiss movement" on the dial, is just as bad as paying extra for a "DW" on the dial. But IMHO both of these watches are fashion watches/accessories and in that vain, "inherent value" is really a silly discussion.
+mafioso so you're saying that full grain leather isn't inherently more valuable than genuine leather? Sapphire crystal isn't inherently more valuable than mineral glass? If that was were the case, why the price difference for the individual parts (or raw materials), even at the wholesale level?
The Modest Man Full grain leather is more valuable than genuine leather. Sapphire is more valuable than mineral glass. But full grain leather and sapphire on a cheap, made-in-china watch with a cheap mass produced quartz movement (Rhonda or Miyota) is lipstick on a pig. They are both fashion watches in any light.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
i have two daniel wellington watches and have 2 reasons 1. in germany they cost under 100€ (little bit over 100$)
2. they are really thin its hard to find cheap thin watches and even in 40mm they are great for thin people
but i agree they are not worth the original daniel wellington price unless you want a really thin watch
+Domi Neyer great point that you can find these for discounted prices very easily.
The Modest Man yeah they are like that on amazon
Check out Urban Gentry channel (or others - TGV is my favorite for many reasons) for this info, he has done many on the subject this video is going for. On the Wrist said what I was thinking, other than "leather? , sure but - if it's a deal, change straps, or go bracelet, which wasn't even mentioned as an option. Research what you're buying, it doesn't take very much time and TRY IT ON first, all things many horology channels will tell you in a much better, but still VERY simple and short video.
Complains about fashion watches, while comparing to another fashion watch. If you like minimalist designs that are true bauhaus pieces look at Junghans, Stowa or Nomos Glashütte for example.