Recently I modded my DT880 with Brainwavz XL pads. Without EQ sounds very bass bloated, but when you EQ down the mid-upper bass and some treble peaks, DAMN... Soundstage is bigger, the headphone is turned in a bass monster but it's detailed at the same time... Wonderful.
I'm using the DT880 600 Ohm with the Marantz HD-DAC1 and it's an amazing combo, unbelievable realistic sound with body and detail. Cannot rave it enough for the price.
I own DT880 600 modded by custom cans with balanced wire, running thru my tubes at barely half volume, those are beasts of a headphone I dont know if 1000$ can make them justice
Disagree. K712 is a bloated headphone. They tried to add midbass to the phenomenal k702 and made it worse. And dt 880 600 runs cricles around k712 in a proper tube amp. Just my experience
I really like this series. So few reviewers talk much about their gear and I find the insights about the equipment you know best helpful. I have a Focal Elex and an HD6XX that I pair with a Feliks Echo. Except for a bit of extra midrange timbre magic on the 6XX I find the Elex to be better in every other way. In your opinion, would the DT880 600 bring anything new to the party?
I did AB comparison between 6XX and DT880 600Ω, sound difference was so big that brain need a second to understand whats going on, when you switch from 880 to 6XX its feeling like sound gets dirty, highs stop flying & darkness has come. 6XX has sweeter tone but overall lacks in definition and resolution. 880 got energetic, fast and punchy sound, definitely brighter presentation that way it can create that crystal clear sound and interesting stage. I use Feliks Elise and got more power than I need for 600 ohm, I like them more than Focal Clear
Good description of source matching. I think the shallowness of the earpads and the treble issue (first time I tried them I plugged them into a bad CD player output and immediately noped out haha) are the most problematic areas, when I rebought them I had to sell them again due to discomfort. What would be the next upgrade? T1? Or is it actually worth keeping even if you could get a T1? Any idea about 32/250 Ohm versions? Have you heard the Tygr 300R? I heard it and it's a less treble intense beyer with great imaging and iirc deeper ear pads but doesn't scale with higher end gear.
Not sure if this answer your questions, and my experience might differ from WaveTheory. To my ears, the T1 gen 2 is an upgrade version of the 880 (600ohm) in terms of technicalities (sound stage, imaging, etc.) with slightly tilted to warmer side, but it's still a Beyer. Someone might found it bright & harsh, to my ears it just sound smooth as butter, may be ears structure difference. You may or may not like it. I haven't heard the 1st & 3rd gen though. For the 880 (250ohm), I have owned one in the past, from my rusty memory, they sound thin compare to the 600ohm version. But it still sound like the 880, the difference won't be enough to make you change the opinion if you đon't like the 880 in the first place. I have asked someone I know about the 32ohm version, and he told me not to bother with it haha. As for the 600ohm, it worth keeping if you like neutral bright signature. I own the T1 gen 2, 880 (600ohm), and HD800s, everytime I take the 880 out, it always surprise me about it's capabilities compare to moderns cans. Oh, and I use Bifrost 2/64 + Valhalla 2 for all of these except the 880 (250ohm).
Thanka for the video.. I bought the 600 ohm version 1 minth ago and retorned.. Drive by a fiio k9.. Overll sound good but those highs... Not for me really.. And the sound seema thin.. Maybe the k9 ia not a good optio. The beyer.. But with sundara aound great
this has a 9.5 mid range this should be way more expensive but once an headphone is hold built it will never get the props it deserves compare this to the dt 1990 and its shit to it when it comes on the flat midrange response SORRY I RATHER BUY THESE. FOR music production hd 600 has emphasis in the mid range. thats why it should so forward
I had fitment issues with the DT770 Pro, whereby the pads were so stiff that I couldn't get a proper seal in the back protion of the cups. Will I struggle for a seal with the DT880 too?
I agree with you every beyer i have ever auditioned are on the bright side. I was very skeptical about buying these. To my surprise they are no where near as bright as my dt 770 80 ohm . I am using a mojo with them and they sound great!!!!!!
I just got the DT990 600 Ohm. I wonder if I should keep it it replace with the DT880 for the same price... Recomendations for amplifiers to match? Right now I'm connecing to a Denon AVR-X2800H, but I believe this is not optimal.
OTL tube amps are known to work very well with high impedance hp like DT-880 and Sennheiser HD-6x series, options like Xduoo TA-26S comes to mind or if are ok with DIY Bottlehead Crack with Speedball upgrade.
is DT990 better? in term of positional imaging i dont care about widest soundstage, only need about how far/close the sound came from mainly use it for PUBG
990 is incredibly good for gaming even FPS such as Valorant. It's great for music and media too. One of the most balanced headphones I have and for the price is a no brainer. Add in incredibly high comfort scores and you have a winner. As long as you have an amp to drive them of course.
I'll take the 600/650/6xx for rock, metal, hip-hop, EDM. The 880 for classical/soundtrack, jazz, and gaming/movies/tv. 990 is too sharp for me on an even wider range of sources than 880.
I haven't heard the 250. I can quickly explain the theory behind the 600. The diaphragm of a dynamic driver moves because it is attached to a coil of wire (voice coil) suspended inside a permanent magnetic field. When current flows through the voice coil one way, a magnetic field is produced that either agrees or disagrees with the permanent magnet's field. This (dis)agreement results in a force that moves the driver in or out. When the current direction changes, the magnetic field on the voice coil flips direction and the driver then moves the opposite direction. The strength of the magnetic field produced by the voice coil, and thus the amount of force that the two magnetic fields produce to move the driver, is directly proportional to the number of turns of wire in the voice coil. To get from 32 ohms to 250 ohms to 600 ohms, Beyerdynamic increases the number of turns of wire in the voice coil. Thus, the 600 ohm version has more magnetic force to accelerate the driver than either the 250 ohm or 32 ohm versions. The cost is the increased mass of extra wire material. But, Beyer has determined that the gain in force outweighs the cost of that gain in mass. Does this make sense?
Hi, I am very interested in acquiring a pair of these. I have a Lehmann Audio Black Cube Linear amp. Could you please let me know if this amp would be good for the DT 800 Edition. I am very non technical but I have very sensitive and discerning ears! Thank you.
@@wavetheorysound Thank you so much for checking and getting back. Will purchase a pair of DT 880's and see how it goes with the Lehmann BCL. Just came across your site and glad that I did. Currently listening to a pair of Senn 598 SE's via a Focusrite Clarett Audio Interface, mainly used for monitoring and mixing and occasionally music via UA-cam. Would like to investigate getting into H Phones for HiFi listening (have a decent HiFi set up inc various valve + OTL amps). Your reviews and presentations will be invaluable to assess desirable characteristics and VFM and, also get enlightened on some of the tech info.
THIS IS THE FLATTEST HEADPHONE EVER HD 600 660s 6xx ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO THESE when it comes down to flat response. 600 are slighty boost in the mids
this headphone for its all around capability is a $1000 box price range MOST HEADPHONES THAT ARE MORE EXPENSIVE TO THIS INCLUDED BEYERDYNAMIC are SHIT compared to this.
Why do you conservative ideologues constantly demand everyones relationships be in terms of girlfriend/boyfriend or husband/wife? Ya'll constantly go on about freedom but refuse to allow people to be themselves beyond your normative standards, choosing instead to parrot half formed ideas like "woke ideology" as if you could even define either word or understand what they actually mean.
When paired with a high voltage amp / high output impedance these shine phenomenally love this pair its my midrange end game.
Recently I modded my DT880 with Brainwavz XL pads. Without EQ sounds very bass bloated, but when you EQ down the mid-upper bass and some treble peaks, DAMN...
Soundstage is bigger, the headphone is turned in a bass monster but it's detailed at the same time... Wonderful.
I'm using the DT880 600 Ohm with the Marantz HD-DAC1 and it's an amazing combo, unbelievable realistic sound with body and detail. Cannot rave it enough for the price.
I own DT880 600 modded by custom cans with balanced wire, running thru my tubes at barely half volume, those are beasts of a headphone I dont know if 1000$ can make them justice
with eq in the lows and treble this headphone is the MOST HONEST ON THE PLANET
Brilliant review I like your honesty,just wish you'd compare it with the 990....which I'm gonna buy.
DT880 is a masterpiece at this price point - and even more so is the AGK 712 Pro. incredible sound
Disagree. K712 is a bloated headphone. They tried to add midbass to the phenomenal k702 and made it worse. And dt 880 600 runs cricles around k712 in a proper tube amp. Just my experience
The 712 is a timbre horror show IMO
@@quinto34 and that´s the reason to buy it. Very big sounstage and the hell of fun to listen to
I highly doubt those two up there even heard the K712 in real life. 😂😂😂 Damn, the 712 sounds awsome.
@@technologicalsingularity1788 its not really that good
I really like this series. So few reviewers talk much about their gear and I find the insights about the equipment you know best helpful. I have a Focal Elex and an HD6XX that I pair with a Feliks Echo. Except for a bit of extra midrange timbre magic on the 6XX I find the Elex to be better in every other way. In your opinion, would the DT880 600 bring anything new to the party?
I did AB comparison between 6XX and DT880 600Ω, sound difference was so big that brain need a second to understand whats going on, when you switch from 880 to 6XX its feeling like sound gets dirty, highs stop flying & darkness has come. 6XX has sweeter tone but overall lacks in definition and resolution. 880 got energetic, fast and punchy sound, definitely brighter presentation that way it can create that crystal clear sound and interesting stage. I use Feliks Elise and got more power than I need for 600 ohm, I like them more than Focal Clear
Superb with Pro-ject head box s2 😉👍
Good description of source matching. I think the shallowness of the earpads and the treble issue (first time I tried them I plugged them into a bad CD player output and immediately noped out haha) are the most problematic areas, when I rebought them I had to sell them again due to discomfort. What would be the next upgrade? T1? Or is it actually worth keeping even if you could get a T1?
Any idea about 32/250 Ohm versions?
Have you heard the Tygr 300R? I heard it and it's a less treble intense beyer with great imaging and iirc deeper ear pads but doesn't scale with higher end gear.
Not sure if this answer your questions, and my experience might differ from WaveTheory.
To my ears, the T1 gen 2 is an upgrade version of the 880 (600ohm) in terms of technicalities (sound stage, imaging, etc.) with slightly tilted to warmer side, but it's still a Beyer. Someone might found it bright & harsh, to my ears it just sound smooth as butter, may be ears structure difference. You may or may not like it. I haven't heard the 1st & 3rd gen though.
For the 880 (250ohm), I have owned one in the past, from my rusty memory, they sound thin compare to the 600ohm version. But it still sound like the 880, the difference won't be enough to make you change the opinion if you đon't like the 880 in the first place. I have asked someone I know about the 32ohm version, and he told me not to bother with it haha.
As for the 600ohm, it worth keeping if you like neutral bright signature. I own the T1 gen 2, 880 (600ohm), and HD800s, everytime I take the 880 out, it always surprise me about it's capabilities compare to moderns cans.
Oh, and I use Bifrost 2/64 + Valhalla 2 for all of these except the 880 (250ohm).
I am surprised no one has mentioned the Little Dot MkII as a solid budget pairing for this amp...
Did you ever hear it on Beyerdynamic's own amp? The A20.
Yes. It sounds the same.
Thanka for the video.. I bought the 600 ohm version 1 minth ago and retorned.. Drive by a fiio k9.. Overll sound good but those highs... Not for me really.. And the sound seema thin.. Maybe the k9 ia not a good optio. The beyer.. But with sundara aound great
You needed more power, the K9 is not powerful enough through its 6.35 output.
Something like an xDuoo mt602 makes these shine
@@ijesus94 if i could have used the balanced maybe it could have been better..
I'm very curious how the 600 ohm version of the DT880 will pair with the Ferrum Oor/Hypsos stack.
hey wavetheory what do you think about the dt 1990?
How do we buy replacement headband for 880/990 Premium ?? I've looked all over... halp!
Bought new at 100...hope it works fine with the G111
How is it?
this has a 9.5 mid range this should be way more expensive but once an headphone is hold built it will never get the props it deserves compare this to the dt 1990 and its shit to it when it comes on the flat midrange response SORRY I RATHER BUY THESE. FOR music production hd 600 has emphasis in the mid range. thats why it should so forward
I am using these with my Topping A30 Pro & D30 Pro and I think they sound amazing. :)
They going to sound similar to any amp and dac.
I had fitment issues with the DT770 Pro, whereby the pads were so stiff that I couldn't get a proper seal in the back protion of the cups. Will I struggle for a seal with the DT880 too?
same pads
Every Beyerdynamic I've ever tried just had really piercing, hot treble that murdered my ear drums. Never tried these though 🤔
I agree with you every beyer i have ever auditioned are on the bright side. I was very skeptical about buying these. To my surprise they are no where near as bright as my dt 770 80 ohm . I am using a mojo with them and they sound great!!!!!!
I just got the DT990 600 Ohm. I wonder if I should keep it it replace with the DT880 for the same price...
Recomendations for amplifiers to match?
Right now I'm connecing to a Denon AVR-X2800H, but I believe this is not optimal.
Any suggestion for an amp with balance input that pushes those and also has a preamp out? Up to 1.5k?
OTL tube amps are known to work very well with high impedance hp like DT-880 and Sennheiser HD-6x series, options like Xduoo TA-26S comes to mind or if are ok with DIY Bottlehead Crack with Speedball upgrade.
@@hiraksarma3068 Thank you for the help.
is DT990 better? in term of positional imaging
i dont care about widest soundstage, only need about how far/close the sound came from
mainly use it for PUBG
990 is incredibly good for gaming even FPS such as Valorant. It's great for music and media too. One of the most balanced headphones I have and for the price is a no brainer. Add in incredibly high comfort scores and you have a winner. As long as you have an amp to drive them of course.
Hi, driven by a Bryston BHA-1, could it give almost its best?
560s vs 600 vs 880 vs 990?
I'll take the 600/650/6xx for rock, metal, hip-hop, EDM. The 880 for classical/soundtrack, jazz, and gaming/movies/tv. 990 is too sharp for me on an even wider range of sources than 880.
@@wavetheorysound Agree! I love my DT 880 for classical music and soundtracks(Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard)
I recently got their new DT 900 Pro x but wonder if this sounds better
Me too.One minute the ohm rating is described as for home hi-fi then they produce the 900x with only what 48? Dos'nt add up.
How do you measure SPL?
If 600ohm ver. is so hard to drive why not get 250ohm version? Surely the difference can't be that big?
I haven't heard the 250. I can quickly explain the theory behind the 600. The diaphragm of a dynamic driver moves because it is attached to a coil of wire (voice coil) suspended inside a permanent magnetic field. When current flows through the voice coil one way, a magnetic field is produced that either agrees or disagrees with the permanent magnet's field. This (dis)agreement results in a force that moves the driver in or out. When the current direction changes, the magnetic field on the voice coil flips direction and the driver then moves the opposite direction. The strength of the magnetic field produced by the voice coil, and thus the amount of force that the two magnetic fields produce to move the driver, is directly proportional to the number of turns of wire in the voice coil. To get from 32 ohms to 250 ohms to 600 ohms, Beyerdynamic increases the number of turns of wire in the voice coil. Thus, the 600 ohm version has more magnetic force to accelerate the driver than either the 250 ohm or 32 ohm versions. The cost is the increased mass of extra wire material. But, Beyer has determined that the gain in force outweighs the cost of that gain in mass. Does this make sense?
Hi, I am very interested in acquiring a pair of these. I have a Lehmann Audio Black Cube Linear amp. Could you please let me know if this amp would be good for the DT 800 Edition. I am very non technical but I have very sensitive and discerning ears! Thank you.
I have not heard the Black Cube so I cannot say for sure, but in my quick search of it I see no red flags.
@@wavetheorysound Thank you so much for checking and getting back. Will purchase a pair of DT 880's and see how it goes with the Lehmann BCL. Just came across your site and glad that I did. Currently listening to a pair of Senn 598 SE's via a Focusrite Clarett Audio Interface, mainly used for monitoring and mixing and occasionally music via UA-cam. Would like to investigate getting into H Phones for HiFi listening (have a decent HiFi set up inc various valve + OTL amps). Your reviews and presentations will be invaluable to assess desirable characteristics and VFM and, also get enlightened on some of the tech info.
Pop that baby on a Bottlehead Crack with Speed ball and you don’t need to go any further down the audiophile rabbit hole, in my opinion.
Yeah, it's a great combo. Add in an HD650/6XX and a solid SE dac and you've covered almost all the bases.
and what about the crack without speedball upgrade - do you think it'd be enough?
@@donkeyshot1I found the Speedball made a big difference.
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THIS IS THE FLATTEST HEADPHONE EVER HD 600 660s 6xx ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO THESE when it comes down to flat response. 600 are slighty boost in the mids
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this headphone for its all around capability is a $1000 box price range MOST HEADPHONES THAT ARE MORE EXPENSIVE TO THIS INCLUDED BEYERDYNAMIC are SHIT compared to this.
yea they are very good it just depend what source you are using, to beat them most likely I need a pair of ~2000$ headphones
“Human companion” Can’t say girlfriend or wife? What a way to pander to woke ideologies.
Why do you conservative ideologues constantly demand everyones relationships be in terms of girlfriend/boyfriend or husband/wife? Ya'll constantly go on about freedom but refuse to allow people to be themselves beyond your normative standards, choosing instead to parrot half formed ideas like "woke ideology" as if you could even define either word or understand what they actually mean.