Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro 600 Ohm - Here's What You Need to Know
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2024
- You'd have to spend 4-5 times the current price of the Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro, 600 Ohm version to find another headphone that can match its hyper-detail. But do you need a massive amplifier to power them? Will the treble, in fact, be terrible as some have suggested?
Spoilers: NO, they don't need huge gobs of power, and NO the treble is actually smooth and tonally accurate. And YES there are a few caveats to keep in mind so you can get the best sound out of them. I reveal what no other reviewer has yet provided, as far as I can tell - the "real" power requirements for the 600 Ohm Beyers. Enjoy!
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That's exactly how I felt when I put these on for the first time. I had tears in my eyes because they are so detailed. I can recommend the DT 880 for classical music and film music. I love them.
are they new, I have the Beyer Dynamic 990 DT 600 ohm..is incredible what a soundstage but also you can wear it 24/7 you dont even know you are wearing them.
Thanks, excellent video. I own 4 different Beyerdynamic headphones and use all of them. My 600 ohm 880 model is the Premium version. I wasn’t aware Beyer made a Pro model of the 600 ohm version
the model in this video is the "premium edition", not the "pro". he is mistaken, and it does say on the box he holds up..and i believe you are correct, the pro only comes in 250ohm 👍
3:20 - To be completely fair, that reviewer you speak of talks and acts extremely hyperbolic all the time on purpose and is very clear about being that way as part of his online persona, and the point in that video was (as I understood it at least) that the more power you can give these, the more dynamics come out, and basically that they have no reasonable "cap" to how much you can feed them.
Im not defending him or anything, I do have the headphones but I do not have a 50w pr channel amp that I can confirm or deny this claim with, it kinda just struck me that your takeaway from what he said was different than mine. Based on his other borderline outrageous claims that I actually have been able to test though.... I kinda want to get that emotiva amp now haha. If its half of what he claims it will be, it sounds really fun to play games with.
I agree, it’s an online persona. Also, we are fortunate to live in an time where advanced technology has given us a gift of great audio for smaller price tags than ever. The point I was trying to make is that all power is not equal. I’ve heard (speaker) amplifiers boasting huge power outputs and supposedly low THD ratings that sounded horrible and 30 wpc amps that sounded amazing. These cans certainly can benefit from more power, but it needs to be really good power. Amps designed to create great bench tests often don’t sound great to the human ear. Which is why I steadfastly refuse to care about how much THD an amp is rated at. I only care about how it sounds. I think bench tests are probably measuring the wrong things. And no, I am not nearly smart enough to suggest what should be measured instead.
@@headspaceav Oh I agree 100% on the measurement thing. I had a discussion with someone the other day about that, how human senses are both more complex than we give it credit for, and our senses are also connected to and affecting eachother. Changing what you look at while listening to something can change the perception of it, and a foul smell can burn a negative association into your brain, linked to a sound you just happened to hear at the time and so on. I do somewhat agree that measurements are objectively superior, but you can only measure what you are looking for. Our hearing on the other side, measures nothing but is incredibly adept at picking up something that "just sounds/feels wrong" without giving you much clue of what spesifically it is.
An example I like is comparing sound measuring to the gaming industry. For the longest time, average FPS (frames per second) was the standard metric of how well something ran. Then people started realizing that they could have really good fps but it still felt like crap, so in the last decade the standard has changed to include fps, 0.1% lows, latency and consistancy of frame delivery, because its the sum total of ALL these factors that constitutes your experience. I think audio is very similar, that you can accurate results for what you measure, but you can never get metrics for something you didnt spesifically test for. I hope some day there will be better metrics to actually reflect the real life experience of audio gear, like the computer / gaming industry have managed to do.
Then of course theres manufacturers just straight up lying about their specs. I bought a Fosi ZA3 to run some tiny speakers on my desk, and it works great but the actual real output per channel is half of what they advertise. When the output is lied about, it puts into question any other spec as well, like the THD you mention.
Also, another one of your commenters told me that running DT880s balanced (both cable and internally) has the same effect Z was talking about. I have ordered parts to do a conversion and test this, mostly because im super curious. Maybe the k712 will finally be dethroned as a daily driver haha :D
Sorry for this comment rivaling Tolkiens complete works in length. Its just an exciting topic to me!
Came for the akg 712pro review, now I am interested in the asguard and dr880 600ohm. I already have the 250 ohm version
Been using K712pro for a decade now, and its my default headphones. I have a ton of other headphones that I love to play around with for different genres, different tasks like gaming or movies etc etc, but if I could only keep one it would for sure be the K712pro with a solid state amp simply because they are the one headphone that always finds their way back on my head. Its the one plugged in at the start of the day and and the end of it, every day.
I have no idea if this is helpful to you at all.
@@kvernesdotten I did get them in the end.
@@mangs9940 Awesome, now I just need to convince you to get dekoni hybrid pads and do a balanced conversion haha :D
Half joking, but great choice though! Imo one of the best all rounders there is
@@kvernesdotten I own modded dt880 600ohm from custom cans, previously owned k712/hd600/hd6xx/dt770 and way more expensive cans, DT880 I own on balanced connection are something else believe me my tube amp is not even on half volume and they are bass cannons with clarity in doing so... I'm amazed and beside wider sound stage of k712 they are better in everything
@@soulfulfool K712 isnt particularly wide to begin with, so thats not much of a win imo haha. I do have a pair of DT880s but im waiting for parts to get them converted to balanced. However, if left stock I think the K712 crushes the DT880s, and if you mod either of them they are now in a completely different class both in performance and price. Especially if you rely on kits or premade products to convert them, with quality parts, its not hard to push them into a price range where they compete with the likes of Hifiman, Meze and entry level Audeze. Thats rough to overcome imo.
I dont know if you'd agree, but I think the biggest advantage K712 have over any of the DT770/880/990 is resolution if anything.
Looking forward to see what the DT880s are like balanced though, generally I do like the beyerdynamic sound so hoping that stays ^^ I hope its even a fraction of what people say it will be like. Oh well, half the fun of this hobby is to explore, right?
Thank you so much for the review
Beyerdynamic used to sell amplifiers with high output impedance, which is rarely done now, but that might distort the bass a little when driven by those, giving it a warmer sound.
I have the newer DT 900s and they’re easily driven, but I’m concerned about their low power handling capability.
The hip dac2 portable dac/amp with current boost switch and non muddy bass boost switch sounds fantastic with the 880 600 ohm .. as if it was made for these.
I haven’t heard the hip dac but for sure, if that little thing makes 400 mw of good power, that’s astonishing performance for something so tiny.
Hi, they were velour about 1 1/8 33mm thick where as the stock ones are 3/4” 20mm . Regards mark
Hi , great interesting vid, I have hd6xx and 660s , I have replaced with much thicker pads and now are very comfortable. Regards mark
Nice! What pads did you choose to replace the old ones?
@@headspaceav firstly older sennheiser headphones I have have a much thicker pad like on my hd575 and much more comfortable, also trying to see inprove the bass reponse on my hd660s , 6xx although this has the custom cabs bass mod. Thanks mark
The dt880 600 ohms (not pro) when correctly driven, are in my opinion the best most accurate pair no matter price. It doesn't get any better than this! Hd600's lack bass and have dark veiled treble, btw.
Now It's not just about power! You need something with good treble controll, and also a dac or reciever with the right bass button. Not EQ! a real built-in bass switch. The reason why these have a 6k-8k peak and 4k cut on most measurements is because their not correctly driven when measured. Or something like that.
Agreed. If your amp is on the warm side of neutral (like an Asgard 3) and puts out roughly 250 MW rms into 600 ohms, it's really hard to beat these at anything less than 5-6 times the price. And I'm not interested in dropping that much $ on a set of cans when these sound so good. (If you can afford it, more power to ya!)
HD600 lacks bass, but still you want a bass boost on the DT880? Doesn't that mean that they also lack bass?
More power doesn't equal more treble control, it equals volume. Power has no effect on the FR. What can have an effect is damping factor. If you have an amp with high output impedance and a pair of dynamic driver headphones with low impedance you can get a bass and sometimes treble boost depending on the electrical impedance curve of your headphones. High output impedance in amps is not that common these days, but can be found in old stereo recievers headphone-out, and in built in motherboard soundcards, and oh, also tube amps often have high output impedance, that's why people call them "warm". Someone who measures headphones with expensive equipment wouldn't use an amp with high output impedance.
Could you explain why you shouldn't EQ? A bass boost feature will boost pretty much randomly because it's not taking into account what headphones you're using. With EQ you can add or remove exactly what you want.
The reason the DT 880's have a peak is because that's how they are designed, pretty much all Beyerdynamics have treble peaks. That's not "bad" if you like it, it can add to the perception of "detail". The DT 1990's are a good example of that once you get used to the peak.
Also one thing with Beyerdynamics cheaper models 770/880/990 is that they have lots of unit variation, which means that even if there's 2 of the exact same model, they can vary quite a bit in FR. "Oratory1990" from Reddit who has measured lots of them (he's an accoustic engineer) has told and showed me this. That amongst other things can explain why people feel like the different Ohm versions sound different, and why the treble feels more controlled in one pair compared to another of the same model, when in reality it's probably just unit variation. Also pad wear plays a big role, and oh.. assuming you're not using an amp with high output impedance, then the damping factor can come into play and it would boost the bass more on the lower ohm headphones which will make them sound different.
@@Terra101 The hd600's dosen't have as good bass extension and don't have that perfect roll off, so they can't be fixed with a bass button. They will only sound muddy and still lack sub bass! Just look at their frequency response, and the 880's with worn pads. Now look at like the zen dac's true bass boost response, and add that to the headphones response's. I don't like the idea of EQ because i think it makes the bass sound werid and colored. It doesn't have the same bass quality, but I do think treble is fine to eq. If headphones have this kind of roll off/analitical bass, then they don't really lack bass.
I don't remember what makes an amp good treble control for the dt880, but I think it's something about firm controll. However i didn't mean that they don't have these peaks when driving them correctly, only that the peak and dip are huge on the wrong amp. On the right amp, the 4k dip and 8k peak are small. I do think the oratory 1990 target is pretty good. But that 4k dip is smaller on the 600 ohms, I definitely think!
Basically, these headphones messure like oratory1990's eq target (worn pads) but with the raw treble response. Just clipp these together, and you have an accurate response of the dt880's.
Btw: The headphones are not designed to have these peaks. These are tonality problems! But the dt990's with worn pads, are the only beyer headphones without any peaks! But on the other hand these have diffuse field treble, and not harmen.
Which amp/dac do you have that has a bass button?
@@hunterjg777 Lake People g103p with balanced cable connected to an ifi Zen Dac.
Btw, it's also about distortion levels if you can boost the bass or not. However idk exactly how it works cause all beyer headphones have a lot of bass distortion on graphs! however the dt880's can be boosted without any distortion, aslong as you volume balance correctly. I have 75% on the zen dac and volume controll with the amp. It's weird though, when using regular eq i get a ton of distortion! On other headphones i'v tested, like the hd800 i get a lot of distortion even when not using software eq. Which makes sense because these do have a lot of distortion.
Thanks a lot.
The big problem with running those headphone is not the power, is the difference in quality of the sound from low to hi frequencies. High end is very very well done. It is on par with 1750$ headphones. the low and mid by comparison are about what you would expect from 150$ headphone, so as you go up and eliminate faults after faults in your system, you start to lose the appreciation for these headphones. On Base-x with Project S2 digital as a dac... specific that dac, they sounded the most well rounded. You change the DAC to eliminate digital glare, it is way to smooth, change it with a Violectric V550 Pro with a Qtest and 1000 Euro linear Power supply, and it is not consistent anymore across the rage and it is not like you can avoid comparing it, when the hi notes hit, it is textured, detailed yet never offensive in any way, and the rest of the song came back up and is like using a fogy glass. HD600 it is consistent across the range and the brains ajust to the sound and you don't think like something is sub par.
Buy the 250 👏🏻
Thank you, what do you think about using these headphones for 50s jazz, trumpets, drums...? Pretty often bad recordings that period. Thanks again.
I HIGHLY recommend these as I too am a big Jazz-Head, preferring albums from the 50's through the 70's. Miles Davis' trumpet really stands out - check out his performance on Cannonball Adderly's "Somethin' Else." And you can really hear intricate techniques from talented jazz drummers on high-hats, rides and brushes on snares. Just remember you need to let them break in for about a week, and make sure your amp is on the warm side of neutral and you'll never want to take them off.
thank for the detailed and candid review. I plan to have dt 880 600 ohm and I'm wandering if my Topping D3x Pro plus can drive them properly. BTW my integrated amp is Atoll in100 also has a built in headphone output jack I can use. What do you advise for amps I have? thanks a lot..
Thanks for watching! I checked the specs for your Topping amp and I don’t see anything listed at 600 ohms. If the manufacturer doesn’t list output at that impedance it probably won’t work with these cans. Sorry! But hey, maybe this is the excuse you’ve been looking for to get a new headphone amp. :-)
Hi, i recently bought these headphines but i bout them second hand without the box or anything how can i tell what ohm version i have?
Visit AKG’s web site and you can see the specs there. BTW I mention in the video that they are 62 ohms. :-) I hope you’re enjoying them!
@@headspaceav Why AKG's web site when he has Beyerdinamic DT 880? Wouldn't it be logic to visit the Beyerdynamic's web site instead? 🤔
As far as I know there are three Ohm variants of the DT 880 produced: 80, 250 and the here spoken 600 Ohm! (I have the 250 Ohm version but I'm interested in the - what Beyerdynamic calls - "audiofile" - German for "audiophile" - version of the DT 880!) Although I love my DT 880 250 Ohm which is easy to drive even with a small Sharkoon Gaming DAC Pro S - that won't by sufficient for the 600 Ohm variant I'm sure! But I'm still waiting for my Lehmannaudio Drachenfels (with USB) amp (that will have absolutely no problem at all with the DT 880 600 Ohm. Why do I know this? Because Beyerdynamic and Sennheiser use Lehmannaudio amp - Linear II - to set up their headphones it's simply the benchmark of headphone amps)! 😇
I just bought this reference of headphones and I have a sound blaster ae-7 that in theory supports it.
Any guidance on how to setup the sound card? I hace activated direct mode and when using tidal hi-fi they sound amazing but I am a newbie in this hobby so I do not know really if is the best setup possible
Gonna need a dedicated amp man. And one that pushes a good amount of power at that. A sound card ain't gonna cut it
Anyone use the Schiit Midgard for these? Debating on that vs the Asgard. Currently using my pc audio (MSI MPG B650 Edge) and it actually sounds really good ....but I can tell there is a beast waiting to be unleashed with some good quality power.
Thanks for watching. I haven’t sampled the new Midgard but the WaveTheory dude did and he posted a YT review about a month ago. He has a lot of comments about that amp with his modded balanced DT 880’s. TLDR is he liked it but preferred the slightly more expensive Asgard at least for single ended headphones. Check out his review. Good luck!
@@headspaceavthanks for the reply and suggestion. I didn’t watch his review yet, but I did end up getting the Asgard.
The DT880 600ohm sounded surprisingly good powered off my pc motherboard, but I felt like there was a lot more to uncover. The volume was fine (although I was wanting a little more) but I felt like there was a lot more these headphones could offer but was being held back. Don’t get me wrong though they still sounded awesome.
Now with the Modi 3E and Asgard, Low gain setting is very quiet so have to use high gain. I play it around 12 o’clock to about 3. But seeing the volume knob around 3 o’clock makes me nervous hehe. It sounds so good I even cranked it to max and it was so clean. I feel like they could probably be driven even harder but I’m probably better off that it won’t go louder with the Asgard. This is a wonderful pair of headphones and this amp combo is perfect.
I was worried about the treble but it’s perfect. I do love treble but not overboard (like my Soundcore IEMs)
Overall love this combination and totally happy with it. I don’t have much to compare it to headphone wise. Went to this setup from using Soundcore IEMs and it’s a whole new world. So amazing.
Thanks again!
Thank you for bringing more attention to these cans! The Beyerdynamic DT880 600 ohm, when sufficiently amped, are amazing for the money.
I'm no engineer, but based on my experience, I'm not so sure the wattage ratings on an amp tell the whole story when it comes to driving this set of cans. I believe you mentioned that an amp selected to drive these should deliver 200+mw at 600 ohms. Most of the variants of Schiit Magni's and Vali's deliver 200+mw at 600 ohm, and they sound inferior when driving these cans compared to the more powerful Asgard 3 or Lyr3/+.
A while ago, I watched a video by No Theme Reviews, which explained his beliefs on how to properly power these:
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Despite the hate for Zeos, everyone has an opinion, I think there is some validity to his theory that the key to driving these cans are related to output impedance of the headphone jack. Emotiva BasX, Cayin iha6, and Beyerdynamic A20 all have 100+ ohm output resistance at their headphone jacks. All result in amazing sound from a 600 ohm load. Most interestingly however, is the 100mw power delivery from the A20. So, maybe it isn't exactly a wattage thing?
I absolutely agree that Asgard 3 drives these cans like a boss. But Asgard 3 and Lyr3/+ have an output impedance of less than 1 ohm. And yet they do a great job too. Maybe the "keys" to driving these are either 100+ ohm output impedance OR an amp's ability to deliver voltage?
My findings are based on my own experience after hearing other's theories and actually doing my own testing of those theories with the gear mentioned. I love learning and this hobby provides an avenue for that.
I appreciate your content, Sir. Subscribed.
With 600 Ohm you have to look at how much VOLTAGE the amp can put out.
32 Ohm headphones need plenty of CURRENT (many planars out there)
We all love "Z"... Best, D
hi.. just bought a fiio k9 and thinking to get those 600 ohm 880.. but not sure if is enought power.. what you think
I checked Fiio’s web site and it looks like the K9 makes 300mW into 300 ohms. I think you’ll be pushing it really hard if you pair with 600 ohm headphones. Beyerdynamic also makes a 250 ohm version of these cans so that might be an option.
How do they compare to the DT 990 Edition 600 ohm?
I had those, now use the 880 250 ohm...the 990 600 ohm was just too harsh for my taste.
@@ColAngus I've bought the 990 edition & I think they are fantabidoozie particularly as I got them for a hundred quid 🙂 Maybe you hav'nt got the amplification necessary?
@@nicholasmorrill4711 Great price and that is all that matters is that YOU appreciate them....I do have enough juice for them. :)
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That is NOT the Pro version but the Edition version.
Yes, but it’s essentially identical to the Pro. According to Beyerdynamic’s web site they sound the same (as long they are the same impedence). The Edition has a slightly cushier headband and a straight cable instead of a coiled cable. Basically it’s Po-tay-toh, po-tah-toh. :-)
north-america.beyerdynamic.com/dt-880-edition.html
@@headspaceav the other difference i've heard about is the clamp force. pros apparently clamp significantly harder, and this probably does change the sound a bit.
I add: There is no Dt880 in 90 ohms.
Edition: 32/250/600 ohm
Pro: 250ohm
Emotiva has no product (and never did) that puts out 50 watts into headphones. There is a BAS-X A2m flex amp that can be bridged, and run 0.6 watts / channel into 600 Ohm headphones. However... they sound awful. BAS-X is midfi budget gear. Cheap opamps and caps. The jumpered output has a HUGE amount of hiss and noise. Total fail, and I got a refund on mine. I have a Schiit audio lyr+ using the LISST module (I can run passive, EH gold pin tubes or solid state.). It will easily and clearly manhandle the Beyers. Maximum Power, 600 ohms: 450mW RMS per channel. FWIW: too many self-proclaimed audiophiles cann ANY treble that is forward (like real instruments) or realistic treble as too bright and fatiguing. You cannot go by audio snobs that hate realistic treble.
Erm, the Emotive BasX A-100 sends 50W per channel over the headphone jack. If you do the page 11 jumper mod.
Jumpers included upon purchase.
a 10 db treble spike will not dissapear cause burn-in, sir
I think you need to go back and watch the entire video. You completely misunderstood what I said. :-) Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!
Too bad they no longer make the 600 ohm black version. Still waiting. 👀
yea original color sucks