@@jodajackson4489 I do feel blessed having it 😁 The sloped ceiling had always been annoying until I built the secret tunnel. It was a no-brainer to convert it to a useful feature 🤩
Nice build! (the case, not the tunnel ...that's one thing I won't be doing with the sloped ceiling below our dormer -- as you mention further down in the comments, much more likely to induce a panic, even if the disks aren't broken.) 😱 Thanks for the embedded intro-to-Unraid, too. It's always nice to see some real-world examples.
Thanks 🙏 Luckily I just need to crawl in there once in a while, the tunnel is nice to have for long time storage, and it makes sure I cannot put on too much weight 😅
Fun fact, a lot of people in the past who did similar (not the same due to less height restrictions) used to get two of the same pc case and rivet/weld them together for the exact same reason. Though these days there's a lot more expensive cases with more integrated storage.
Pretty smart, a lot less work than what I did 😊 I remember it was possible to buy pretty cheap computer cases many years ago, but these days they are quite expensive. and everyone has glass side panels, diffucult to mod. I guess the solution is to find an old cabinet/PC second hand.
The result is very impressive! I remember 20 years ago there were many "modding" cases with modular panels that could be arranged like yours. I'm afraid I simply don't have the patience nor skills to build one like that, so I use traditional rackmount server cases and put quiet fans inside.
You have me as a new subscriber! This is a really neat case mod! I like it! It's simple and to the point and would look great if you painted it... im just saying, it's quite good for something simple! I mod computer cases when i can, and have been since 2001. So, seeing someone else doing it, still, is really awesome!
Great project and good work there. I work in datacenters (done that the last two decades) and that reminds me of a real SAN. Haha. I will also bet an ice cream on that your profession is within IT due to your great competence in this area. Great video. Brest regards a Norwegian datacenter engineer☺️
You're absolutely right, both my education and my profession are within the IT industry. Mostly on the software side, that's probably why I like the hardware bit even more these days 😊 All our machines are virtual and in the cloud now, no machines left to play with at work 😓😁
*I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS!* Even before you consider the 🎶SECRET TUNNEL🎶, this server demonstrates that you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars on an enclosure. You … kinda don't need to know how to weld, either. If you can come up with a box to put things in and a way to mount drives, motherboard, and power supply so they don't rattle around too much, you have a server chassis. The notion I have in mind is actually to use a couple of little LACK end tables. They're very inexpensive, but they are sufficient for the purpose. Use the four legs and two tops to make a box. Figure out how to secure a motherboard, PSU, and any expansion cards, and buy or build some drive cages/rails/things. Close off the front except for a filtered intake, and the back well enough to keep anything from getting inside (but letting the air out) and let it run.
Thanks 🙏 You are thinking just like me 😊 You can absolutely modify a case without welding, that's just an extra bonus fun time for me 😁 The IKEA Lack tables are just great for so many things, it's a very good idea!
Haha, I have heard you talk about this so many times, but first time I see it, and I have to admit. Quite impressive. I just got the synology, but I need to upgrade it soon.... 4k video footage is filling up fast 🤪 Great video and learn a couple of things now as well. Thank you
Yes, these 4K video files are big. I hope this upgrade will last five new years, but maybe not My LUMIX camera can record 6K open gate as well, and before we know it 8K is upon us 😝
Very cool build! Since it's tucked away and unseen aesthetics don't matter at all. Setup very nicely for air flow also! Figured you might have had the unit's ethernet hooked up differently when doing the upgrade but I noticed during the end of the video it said in the Unraid GUI that your network speed is only running at 1000Mbps which is only 1Gbit and earlier you mentioned the 10Gbit card which should show 10000Mbps
Exactly, since it's not visible it's all about function for this build 😊 I am actually using both the onboard 1Gbit network card and the additional 10Gbit ASUS nw card for the server. The 1Gbit goes to my switch and provides access to any device in my home, ant to the Internet to download updates and plugins. The 10Gbit goes directly to my PC for fast file transfer. My PC is setup also with two nw cards, similar as the server. I don't have a 10Gbit switch (yet) so this was a way of connecting it without, both my PC and the server has dedicated IP-adresses for the 10Gbit connection.
Nice build! My unraid server was custom built to fit into a IKEA Lowboard. It is built from Aluminium profiles with T-Slots in it. But I'd like to convert it to custom cut and bent sheet metal at some point. A motherboard with ipmi support is a great advantage but a pikvm could accomplish the same nowadays.
@kihestad it's basically to be able to press the power button or access the bios without connecting a keyboard or monitor to the server. It's a little pc (in case of ipmi integrated into the mainboard) that works independently to the actual system to simulate a input via network.
Great video and great custom server build. It looks like you have a 3D printer, you could have made it a little lighter by using the printer to fabricate the HDD rails and some other trim items. Some holes in the rear could help airflow a bit.
Thanks 🙏 Indeed I have a 3D printer. The main power switch with the cable + some of the clips on the front mesh to hold stuff is 3D printed. The HDD is pretty heavy, I don't think 3D printed plastic would be strong enough the way I have mounted them.
I just had to expand my server for storing the video files, but now it's done and I can return to the garage 😁 The Honda is waiting patiently for me in the garage, it's certainly time to continue on the build 😥 Gotta be done with my storage system first, should not be long now 🤞
If you wanted a cube server case the easy way, the YY0221B is a nice one. I had one of those myself back in the days. It could have been a good base I think... But crawling in that secret tunnel feels like it would be a chore if something would go wrong with that server... Anyhow, a creative build nonetheless..
Ahh, I'll look it up. Thanks for the tips 👍 Your absolutely right, It's quite cumbersome to get to the server. It's better to be working for five new years now after this upgrade 😡😂
very cool build! running a vdev in raidz2 more than ~8 disks wide is not recommended and you could be in for a bad time if you have to resilver after a drive failure
@nil3010 it’s recommended to split up the pool into multiple vdevs (groups of disks linked together with their own parity drives) and those groups should have no more than 8 disks total in each. if a disk fails, the process of replacing it and rebuilding from the parity drives is called “resilvering” and it takes longer the more disks are in the vdev
Alright, I have to admit I did not know that. Thanks a lot for the info! I can easily do that, I have separate folders anyway for different type of storage. I did however find this recommendation: Generally, aim for 6 to 10 disks in a RAID-Z2 vdev. This range offers a good balance of storage capacity, redundancy, and performance. Soo 10 disks might be OK? 🤔🤞
@@kihestad datasets can still span multiple vdevs; a single pool can include multiple vdevs so the only downside of splitting it up is losing more storage to parity. 10 disks isn’t like “dangerous” and you’re still much better off with raidz2 than raidz1, but if/when a disk fails, the resilvering process will take longer the more disks are in the vdev that needs to be resilvered
I wish I had pictures now, but I have actually seen something... kinda similar in concept. A fellow student in college was given a 6u rack cabinet that he wanted to install a media NAS into. Took an old PC case the Computing Center was throwing out, installed the mobo tray and rear panel in the bottom of the cabinet and used the side panels to make a really crude drive cage in the front. I want to say it could fit like 18 or 24 drives in the front? I know he initially just put in 4 in a RAID 5 with plans to expand it.
@@plagosus Alright, and now I have to lookup that 😁 I have seen some Star Episodes, sci-fi is my favourite genre, but cannot quite remember I have seen Jefferies tube 🤔😊
@@plagosus Alright #2: I checked it, a Google search and now I know what you mean 😊 Did not know the service ducts on the starship had that name. I can absolutely see the resemblance with my tunnel 😁
I recommend you watch it. I always wanted to watch it, but was put off by the amount of seasons. Finally I gave it a shot with my wife and we watch it together now. It's a really nice show. Even if you are not into sci-fi. Every episode is touching some bigger topics of live, ethics and relationships. It's timeless. We really love it. It's a great show.
Im far from against this video, i love it infact. my only question is why expensive iron wolf drives? You can get recertified drives that are roughly £90-120 for 10tb per drive. The overall storage of your nas i think you said cost about 1100usd for 36tbish. You could achive that in 6 drives for roughly 700-800usd and have 40tb usable, 2 x 10 tb parity.
I am all up for 10TB disks with that price tag 🤩 I did buy the two 4TB iron wlf drives brand new to full price - and yes, thats quite expensive 😓 Now I am constantly browsing for used ones, the 8TB ones I bough now was second hand for £100 each. What make and where do you find recertified drives?
@ My 10TB Drives are Seagate Enterprise drives that i got from Amazon for £100 each. However ive found them all over ebay as well! Theres tons of companies doing recertified and refurbished drives too.
5:50 "nobody would ever never going to see this" - makes a youtube video about it :D you have to change the parity disks first. They must be the biggest ones, you can't add a 8TB Drive if your parity drive is smaller. Also would be easier and safer for your remaining disk to add the new disk and use unbalance to copy the data from the disk you want to remove. A rebuild of a disk is intense for all drives in your array, the risk to break an old drive in this process is higher. Great Case :)
I've assaulted many of my PCs over the years, but I can safely say I've never taken an angle grinder to one! This might have to change, that's a very neat solution! (I've got a small 19" rack in my spare room!) So you installed a 10gig NIC five years ago? Was that future proofing back then, or did you already have the switches and cable already installed? That can't have been cheap if you did.
@@juststeve5542 You can do a lot with an angel grinder 😅 That Asus 10Gbit nw card was one of the first budget types. I bought two of them and set up parallel direct nw connection to my PC. 10Gbit nw switch was just too expensive back then, and it's still a bit pricey. I still only have 1Gbit switches an transfer speed for all my other equipment. And yes, editing myself - it's a big part of the fun 😁
What cutoff wheel were you using on your grinder? It didn't look like a regular abrasive wheel... I think this is a great idea and fun. Well done. 3d printing would be a great way to reduce the workload in manufacture. I mod 1RU pro audio amps to be silent and yeah... cutting some of the cold rolled steep is a real pain.
I used a cutting disk on the grinder, it's very similar to a grinding disk but its way thinner - 1mm thick. Fantastic for cutting thin metal sheets, you just need to be careful and not cut too deep though the cut to avoid breaking the disk. I totally agree when it comes to combining metal work with 3D printing, it's a killer combo 🤩
That's a very good question 👍 Probably making it a bit longer, since I have the space for it where I keep my serveer it would be no issue in that regards. It's a but tight space at the rear of the HDD, it almost touches the end of the motherboard where the SATA connectors are located. I would also have a bit of space (1cm would be enough) at the bottom of the motherborad to put cables through to get to the over side of the cabinet where the PSU is located.
I'm not sure if you don't know or just didn't cover it: you'll have to use two of your "new" 8TB drives to replace your parity drives, if you want the parity drives to be able to protect the other two 8TB data drives. (Of course, you'll be able to repurpose your existing two 4TB parity drives as data drives, and they'll protected by the new larger parity drives.) Also: you might want to use the Unbalanced plugin to move data off your 1TB drives, and then you could actually shrink your array by removing drives (not just replacing them) so you have more drive slots free later, when you get some more drives.
You are absolutely right. I did know about it, I just did not go into detail about the procedure in the video. I used Unraid's "parity swap procedure", it worked out great. I am acutally just now done with rebuilding the first to disks using that procedure. It's this one btw: docs.unraid.net/legacy/FAQ/parity-swap-procedure/
@kihestad would be great to know. My NASs range from 11W (Synology 2 Bay), 45W (TrueNAS Scale Setup similar to yours in an old PC with several old HDD and SSD Cache) to 160W (Dell PowerEdge R730 with 16 2,5"SAS)
Cool!!! I have an old PC, and quite a few old NAS's kicking about and have been thinking of setting up my own server to get away from dropbox, for cost and security reasons... I used to run an old laptop running xp, in my loft with a couple of NAS as my home made "server" running remotely on my wired home network, and whilst is wasn't ideal, it functioned fine for me, but this is some next level stuff!! Cannot for the life of me remember hos I set up the xp to run remotely but it cannot have been too hard... :P However, since those old days I moved house 11 years ago, moved to dropbox around the same time as the "new" house was older with no wired network possibilities and... I completely moved to macos... Are there any issues running unraid via a mac?? Likely not seeing as it's web based - I'll do some research!!
Cool story 👍 Unraid is based on Linux, you download the operating system to a USB stick and run it completely from that one. It works for both PC and MAC. You should absolutely try it! If you made a storage server using Win XP once, well then you are qualified 😁
@@kihestad Perfect thanks!! Yeah used to be a bit of a geek 15-20 yeas ago, built a few PC's, made my own stripped down, lean & mean xp installation discs with fully slipstreamed SP's and so on, but grew out of it as I got bit older and just wanted somehitng that works all the time, without reinstalling the OS every 6 months to keep it running smoothly haha!! Did try a couple of linux versions before going to mac but that was just way too geeky back then!
You are right. I used Unraid's "parity swap procedure". Since I am adding 8TB disks and they are bigger than any of my previous disks the partity disks must first be upgraded from 4TB to 8TB. That leaves the previous 4TB parity disk available, and that one will be replacing the 1TB i removed. Unraid has a two step procedure taking care of this: docs.unraid.net/legacy/FAQ/parity-swap-procedure/
Hi, your parity drives are 4Tb but you're adding 8Tb drives... I think the parity has to be at least the size of the largest drive in the array, so you'll not be able to use the 4TB's as parity, you'll need to upgrade those too. I guess you can replace the 4Tb with two 8Tb, then add those spare 4Tb along with the other two 8Tb to the array.. make sure you tackle the parity drives first though.
You are absolutely right 👍I did not go into details about it in the video. I used Unraid's "parity swap procedure". Since I was adding 8TB disks and they where bigger than any of my previous disks, I indeed needed to upgrade the partity disk first. But it's done in a very elegant way using the "parity swap procedure": 1) Remove old (1TB) disk 2) Insert new (8TB) disk as parity 3) In settings unmount the current parity (4TB) and swap with the new (8TB) 4) In settings mount the previous (4TB) as new datadisk to replace the removed (1TB) disk 5) System runs procedure to rebuild parity, and then rebuilds the datadisk Here is a link to the procedure: docs.unraid.net/legacy/FAQ/parity-swap-procedure/
Glad to hear that! 👍 The cooling is quite good with the airflow stright throug the cabinet and it even passes over all the HDD mounted in the front. The toom is 20-25C. and 30C is the normal temp for the HDD when in use. The CPU around 50C and temp sensor on mainboard shows around 35C. I would think that is temperatures within a healthy range
@@kihestad all good temps. Do you have redundancy in cooling znd what is your fault condition response. Test by turning fan off and run a parity check. You can tell it to shut down in case of overheat or at the least pause active parity scans.
Don't worry, my past hack jobs are much worse than that! My seven year old is wanting more and more to use my pc for games - so I'm currently considering whether to give him mine and I upgrade, or buy him his own. I'm a big fan of used enterprise gear so I might go that route for him. Great video!
I have some 10 year old laptops around that support h264 decoding - thinking my kids will be using moonlight from some headless systems for their first gaming PCs.
I have one question: according to the name of the system, if I don't allocate any disk for backup, does the loss of one disk result in the loss of data only from that specific disk, or after replacing the damaged one, do I lose all data?
You will only lose data on that spesific disk. Unraid does not split up a file for saving it across multiple disks like traditional RAID systems does. That's why the name: UN-RAID, it's not really a RAID system. In some ways it's a smarter system, but it is missing out on some of the benefits with traditional RAID. In a traditional RAID system (not Unraid), data are split up over multiple disks. If you have 10 drives the file will split into 10 smaller pieces and saved to each disk and by that getting 10 times faster save speed, minus the times it take to split the file and coordinate the saving. In these systems you must have redundant disks, because one disk fails in a RAID without redundancy you will lose all data for all disks. Unraid compensates the saving speed by having cache option, you can set up multiple drives in paralell for receiving data fast into the system, and later move it over to regular disks.
Alright, in this case I am pretty sure one of the RAM sticks was bad. It used to show 16 with the old ones until one day I noticed it said 8. With new ones, it's back to 16.
Hi, I can tell you that 😊 I guess you are referring to the tube light I used inside my secret tunnel? I have just recently bought them and I am very satisfied, I use them all the time. They where not expensive either: here is a link: www.phottix.com/product/phottix-t200r-rgb-tube-light-twin-pack-kit/
3:26 - ummm, no. RAID *can* combine different sizes,, but a the cost of utilizing only the capacity of the smallest drive on all other drives. And expanding the actual VD generally requires erasing everything... 16:30 - is wake on LAN not possible with the 10Gb NIC? But nice scrap build.
You're right about different disk size is possible with RAID, but you will not be able to increase the usable space until all disks are upgraded. I could probably configure a wake on lan, at least with the onboard nic, but I like being able to just push a button to start it 😊
So far i have a slightly less janky storage server. I havent bought any harddrives yet but i do have 4 nvme ssds one of them is parity and i have a 5th one for boot
That is probably a pretty fast storage solution! My old motherboard actually supports one M.2 drive, but I have not used it as it disables two of the SATA ports if I do.
@@kihestad i havea PCIE card with 4 nvme slots on it so i am only using the one on my motherboard for booting. this does require some more fancy features but most modern motherbaords have bifurcation(the ability to split a PCIE x16 lane into 4x4x4x4 or other). when playing around with raid 0 i managed faster speeds but i prefer being significantly safer
Did you use Mover to move all the data off the drive you were replacing onto the other drives or did you just replace the drive with a new larger one and let UnRaid restore the missing data?
I used Unraid's "parity swap procedure". Since I am adding 8TB disks now and they are bigger than any of my previous disks, I need to upgrade the partity disk first from 4TB to 8TB. That leaves the previous 4TB parity disk available, and that one will be replacing the 1TB i removed. Unraid has a two step procedure taking care of this: docs.unraid.net/legacy/FAQ/parity-swap-procedure/ To my knowledge the "mover" feature is just for transferring data from temporarely cache to the permanent data disks. When replacing data drives, Unraid rebuilds the data from the parity disk.
@@kihestad Apologies I should have said "unblanced" not moved - rookie mistake and good guide on how to replace parity etc :) Great video and love the case!
@@kihestad It's a great app in UnRaid to move complete drive contents (or just folders) to the either another drive or it can distribute the drive content or folders across the other drives in the array. This is handy if you just want to replace a drive without having to use the parity method to rebuild it which can put strain on the other drives apparently.
I have been using a Brother P-touch H102, it's pretty nice for this stuff but it's cumbersome to write the text with it. Would have been better with a tiny printer connected to my PC, wonder if that exists?
Biggest advantages of unraid : It only wake up the disk where data living and parity Less power consumption and less noisy compare to traditional raid And shit happened you wont lost all data
Aha, I was a bit worried about the power consumption with all my disks connected and not a very big PSU. I have never had any problems with it, and it does make sense if the disks are powered down when not in use. Thanks for the feedback 🙏
12:40 You are mistaken. Parity is not a backup. RAID is not a backup. This distinction is important. Backups are complete duplicates of your data. Parity is not a complete duplicate. It's wiggle room for when mistakes happen.
I know, I did a oversimplification when I explained it. I forgot to put up the ✌️quotes✌️ sign with my fingers 😊 I owuld say it's a bit more than wiggle room. I am now currently removing disks from the array and inserts a new blank one. Unraid manages to rebuilds it completely based on the parity in compination with the remaining disks (i assume). But it's ofcourse not the same as backup where you can find a single file in your backup system, extract it and put it back or add it with another name if you had deleted it or some content from a file by a mistake.
Jonsbo N5 is a bit more compact than mine, for Micro-ATX, supports 12 HDD, but very good looking and not too expensive ($300). Not quite the same standard as mine, but it will do 😅
@@kihestad My apologies, there is no N5 and you were right about it but hey its not bad still. Great for Unbraiding and some TrueNasing...perhaps even some ProxyMoxy ;)
@@kihestad btw Idk if you were curious but I was considering the Jonsbo N5 but then I realized it would be hell trying to migrate to a place where I can shuv more HDDs so I settled on getting the Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL. 18 HDDs (3.5") before putting in random 2.5inchers for SSDs. But Others have gotten to 22 or 25 (3.5" HDDs) through the use of the Fan slots. Yes that is a lot of vibration but its ok, lol buy EXOs or Red Pros or Gold drives.
It's not uncommon for IT guys to need protective gloves when moving, or working inside of computer cases of a certain vintage. You're likely to cut your hand on sharp edges of stamped steel otherwise. This thing looks even scarier by comparison.
@@kihestad Dutch are allowed because they're just weird and will likely Google "strap-on" and end up ordering a few new colors they didn't already own. I am not a Nederlander, but I did live there for a long time working for NATO..I was so much happier in Darmstadt. Germans are weird too..but in a funny and more understandable & tolerable way. Anyway..VERY nice video. You are an excellent content creator. It maintained my admittedly short attention span and I was rewarded for sticking around for the entire video. Thank you.
Yes, agree. Parity it's not a proper backup. I oversimplified it in the video. But it does depend on how you define the term backup 🤔 A common definition is: * a copy of data or a system stored separately from the original The nest question: what is "separately"? Is it enough that it's a separate disk? Does it need to be a separate machine/device? Does it need to be located physically in a separate room or building?
As a person who does not enjoy narrow spaces because i have a fear of losing control i will be lying there until eternity. do it with someone to overwatch
@@TECHiHOBBYIST I fell down from my parents garage roof during the winter one time when I was a kid. We were playing in the snow. I ended up with my head first into a small snow cave we had built. The snow collapsed around me, and I got pretty stuck upside down inside the cave. I can still remember the panic I felt back then, I could not breathe there laying upside-down 🥴but I did manage to get loose after only a few seconds. In other words: I can understand the fear of tight spaces. It's important to know and respect your own limitations. Having someone you can trust available nearby sounds like a good thing 👍 It might be because I have built my room from scratch myself I don't feel any problem crawling into that tunnel. It took me several months, from redoing the finish on the floor, walls and ceiling to building and installing all of the furniture (based on kitchen cabinets from Ikea). I know everything in and out, and therefore everything feels safe and comforting 😊
You had me at "secret server tunnel"!
It's pretty spectacular 😆😅
I was more interested in the strap on
@@Ender_Wiggin 😝😝😝😂
I know right? Everyone should be so lucky to have a secret server tunnel
@@jodajackson4489 I do feel blessed having it 😁 The sloped ceiling had always been annoying until I built the secret tunnel. It was a no-brainer to convert it to a useful feature 🤩
Nice build! (the case, not the tunnel ...that's one thing I won't be doing with the sloped ceiling below our dormer -- as you mention further down in the comments, much more likely to induce a panic, even if the disks aren't broken.) 😱 Thanks for the embedded intro-to-Unraid, too. It's always nice to see some real-world examples.
Thanks 🙏 Luckily I just need to crawl in there once in a while, the tunnel is nice to have for long time storage, and it makes sure I cannot put on too much weight 😅
Fun fact, a lot of people in the past who did similar (not the same due to less height restrictions) used to get two of the same pc case and rivet/weld them together for the exact same reason. Though these days there's a lot more expensive cases with more integrated storage.
Pretty smart, a lot less work than what I did 😊 I remember it was possible to buy pretty cheap computer cases many years ago, but these days they are quite expensive. and everyone has glass side panels, diffucult to mod. I guess the solution is to find an old cabinet/PC second hand.
Excellent and informative video. Like you I have a stack of old 500gb, 1tb and 2tb drives and wanted to put them in a rack box. Thanks for sharing
The result is very impressive! I remember 20 years ago there were many "modding" cases with modular panels that could be arranged like yours. I'm afraid I simply don't have the patience nor skills to build one like that, so I use traditional rackmount server cases and put quiet fans inside.
@@BillLambert Rack mount server cases can be a great solution, they are a bit deep - requires a bit more surface area.
You have me as a new subscriber! This is a really neat case mod! I like it! It's simple and to the point and would look great if you painted it... im just saying, it's quite good for something simple! I mod computer cases when i can, and have been since 2001. So, seeing someone else doing it, still, is really awesome!
Thanks a lot for the sub 🙏 Very cool, then there are at least two of us modding computer cases 👍🤓
This was such a joy ride, loved every bit of it! ❤😊
Happy to hear that 🙏Glad you enjoyed it!
Great project and good work there. I work in datacenters (done that the last two decades) and that reminds me of a real SAN. Haha. I will also bet an ice cream on that your profession is within IT due to your great competence in this area. Great video. Brest regards a Norwegian datacenter engineer☺️
You're absolutely right, both my education and my profession are within the IT industry. Mostly on the software side, that's probably why I like the hardware bit even more these days 😊 All our machines are virtual and in the cloud now, no machines left to play with at work 😓😁
*I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS!* Even before you consider the 🎶SECRET TUNNEL🎶, this server demonstrates that you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars on an enclosure. You … kinda don't need to know how to weld, either. If you can come up with a box to put things in and a way to mount drives, motherboard, and power supply so they don't rattle around too much, you have a server chassis.
The notion I have in mind is actually to use a couple of little LACK end tables. They're very inexpensive, but they are sufficient for the purpose. Use the four legs and two tops to make a box. Figure out how to secure a motherboard, PSU, and any expansion cards, and buy or build some drive cages/rails/things. Close off the front except for a filtered intake, and the back well enough to keep anything from getting inside (but letting the air out) and let it run.
Thanks 🙏 You are thinking just like me 😊 You can absolutely modify a case without welding, that's just an extra bonus fun time for me 😁 The IKEA Lack tables are just great for so many things, it's a very good idea!
Haha, I have heard you talk about this so many times, but first time I see it, and I have to admit. Quite impressive. I just got the synology, but I need to upgrade it soon.... 4k video footage is filling up fast 🤪 Great video and learn a couple of things now as well. Thank you
Yes, these 4K video files are big. I hope this upgrade will last five new years, but maybe not My LUMIX camera can record 6K open gate as well, and before we know it 8K is upon us 😝
You are a madman. Amazing job. I like the build.
A madman? Not the worst thing I could be. I actually like it 🤩🤩🤩
Very cool build! Since it's tucked away and unseen aesthetics don't matter at all. Setup very nicely for air flow also! Figured you might have had the unit's ethernet hooked up differently when doing the upgrade but I noticed during the end of the video it said in the Unraid GUI that your network speed is only running at 1000Mbps which is only 1Gbit and earlier you mentioned the 10Gbit card which should show 10000Mbps
Exactly, since it's not visible it's all about function for this build 😊 I am actually using both the onboard 1Gbit network card and the additional 10Gbit ASUS nw card for the server. The 1Gbit goes to my switch and provides access to any device in my home, ant to the Internet to download updates and plugins. The 10Gbit goes directly to my PC for fast file transfer. My PC is setup also with two nw cards, similar as the server. I don't have a 10Gbit switch (yet) so this was a way of connecting it without, both my PC and the server has dedicated IP-adresses for the 10Gbit connection.
Great Video! Found you because of this video
Cool, glad you enjoyed the vid 🙏
I love the mounting solution for the hard drives.
Pretty minimalistic, simple and effective 😊 It ensures good airflow and cooling for the disks as all the air from fan in front blows directly at them
You are my kind of guy, DIY.
Glad to hear that 🙏
This is awesome!!!
Thanks 🙏
Nice build! My unraid server was custom built to fit into a IKEA Lowboard. It is built from Aluminium profiles with T-Slots in it. But I'd like to convert it to custom cut and bent sheet metal at some point. A motherboard with ipmi support is a great advantage but a pikvm could accomplish the same nowadays.
IKEA furniture can be used to almost anything 😊I have to admit I don't know what ipmi or pikvm is short for, better Google it 🤔🤓
@kihestad it's basically to be able to press the power button or access the bios without connecting a keyboard or monitor to the server. It's a little pc (in case of ipmi integrated into the mainboard) that works independently to the actual system to simulate a input via network.
Great video and great custom server build. It looks like you have a 3D printer, you could have made it a little lighter by using the printer to fabricate the HDD rails and some other trim items. Some holes in the rear could help airflow a bit.
Thanks 🙏 Indeed I have a 3D printer. The main power switch with the cable + some of the clips on the front mesh to hold stuff is 3D printed. The HDD is pretty heavy, I don't think 3D printed plastic would be strong enough the way I have mounted them.
Let's get the honda finished my friend ,can't hold my breath much longer😁
I just had to expand my server for storing the video files, but now it's done and I can return to the garage 😁
The Honda is waiting patiently for me in the garage, it's certainly time to continue on the build 😥 Gotta be done with my storage system first, should not be long now 🤞
6:30 As they say, "We do it not because it is easy, but because we thought it was going to be."
Haha 😂 well put
so random. Glad it came in my feed. Not sure I like idea of crawling through the cupboards
Welcome aboard! 😊 I don't mind a bit of crawling, as long as it is 5 years intervals 😅
If you wanted a cube server case the easy way, the YY0221B is a nice one. I had one of those myself back in the days. It could have been a good base I think...
But crawling in that secret tunnel feels like it would be a chore if something would go wrong with that server...
Anyhow, a creative build nonetheless..
Ahh, I'll look it up. Thanks for the tips 👍 Your absolutely right, It's quite cumbersome to get to the server. It's better to be working for five new years now after this upgrade 😡😂
Very nice DIY build. Seagate 36TB Hard Drive is the biggest Hard Drive.
What, really!!! 36TB ??? 🤩🤩🤩🤩
very cool build! running a vdev in raidz2 more than ~8 disks wide is not recommended and you could be in for a bad time if you have to resilver after a drive failure
Explain plz~
@nil3010 it’s recommended to split up the pool into multiple vdevs (groups of disks linked together with their own parity drives) and those groups should have no more than 8 disks total in each. if a disk fails, the process of replacing it and rebuilding from the parity drives is called “resilvering” and it takes longer the more disks are in the vdev
@@glitterishhh I see
Thanks for quick information
Alright, I have to admit I did not know that. Thanks a lot for the info! I can easily do that, I have separate folders anyway for different type of storage. I did however find this recommendation:
Generally, aim for 6 to 10 disks in a RAID-Z2 vdev. This range offers a good balance of storage capacity, redundancy, and performance.
Soo 10 disks might be OK? 🤔🤞
@@kihestad datasets can still span multiple vdevs; a single pool can include multiple vdevs so the only downside of splitting it up is losing more storage to parity. 10 disks isn’t like “dangerous” and you’re still much better off with raidz2 than raidz1, but if/when a disk fails, the resilvering process will take longer the more disks are in the vdev that needs to be resilvered
Very interesting 😎
Glad to hear that! 🙏
I wish I had pictures now, but I have actually seen something... kinda similar in concept. A fellow student in college was given a 6u rack cabinet that he wanted to install a media NAS into. Took an old PC case the Computing Center was throwing out, installed the mobo tray and rear panel in the bottom of the cabinet and used the side panels to make a really crude drive cage in the front. I want to say it could fit like 18 or 24 drives in the front? I know he initially just put in 4 in a RAID 5 with plans to expand it.
Alright, sound lika a real DIY project 👍 but without pictures you have no proof for it 😅
The secret tunnel gave me a Jefferies tube vibes from Star Trek :)
@@plagosus Alright, and now I have to lookup that 😁 I have seen some Star Episodes, sci-fi is my favourite genre, but cannot quite remember I have seen Jefferies tube 🤔😊
@@plagosus Alright #2: I checked it, a Google search and now I know what you mean 😊 Did not know the service ducts on the starship had that name. I can absolutely see the resemblance with my tunnel 😁
I recommend you watch it. I always wanted to watch it, but was put off by the amount of seasons. Finally I gave it a shot with my wife and we watch it together now. It's a really nice show. Even if you are not into sci-fi. Every episode is touching some bigger topics of live, ethics and relationships. It's timeless. We really love it. It's a great show.
Im far from against this video, i love it infact. my only question is why expensive iron wolf drives? You can get recertified drives that are roughly £90-120 for 10tb per drive. The overall storage of your nas i think you said cost about 1100usd for 36tbish. You could achive that in 6 drives for roughly 700-800usd and have 40tb usable, 2 x 10 tb parity.
I am all up for 10TB disks with that price tag 🤩 I did buy the two 4TB iron wlf drives brand new to full price - and yes, thats quite expensive 😓 Now I am constantly browsing for used ones, the 8TB ones I bough now was second hand for £100 each.
What make and where do you find recertified drives?
@ My 10TB Drives are Seagate Enterprise drives that i got from Amazon for £100 each. However ive found them all over ebay as well!
Theres tons of companies doing recertified and refurbished drives too.
5:50 "nobody would ever never going to see this" - makes a youtube video about it :D
you have to change the parity disks first. They must be the biggest ones, you can't add a 8TB Drive if your parity drive is smaller.
Also would be easier and safer for your remaining disk to add the new disk and use unbalance to copy the data from the disk you want to remove. A rebuild of a disk is intense for all drives in your array, the risk to break an old drive in this process is higher.
Great Case :)
@@marcobu9205 🥴🥴🥴
I've assaulted many of my PCs over the years, but I can safely say I've never taken an angle grinder to one!
This might have to change, that's a very neat solution!
(I've got a small 19" rack in my spare room!)
So you installed a 10gig NIC five years ago? Was that future proofing back then, or did you already have the switches and cable already installed? That can't have been cheap if you did.
BTW, loving the little editing touches, they always make me smile. Are you editing these yourself?
@@juststeve5542 You can do a lot with an angel grinder 😅 That Asus 10Gbit nw card was one of the first budget types. I bought two of them and set up parallel direct nw connection to my PC. 10Gbit nw switch was just too expensive back then, and it's still a bit pricey. I still only have 1Gbit switches an transfer speed for all my other equipment.
And yes, editing myself - it's a big part of the fun 😁
Leaf blower outside is best way to clean these out!
Absolutely, I don't have a leaf blower but I have an air compressor. I might have to carry it out and blow away all the dust 💪
0:20
You don't need it, I think you got a natural one of those 😂
I don't even know what you are talling about 🫤😆
What cutoff wheel were you using on your grinder? It didn't look like a regular abrasive wheel...
I think this is a great idea and fun. Well done.
3d printing would be a great way to reduce the workload in manufacture.
I mod 1RU pro audio amps to be silent and yeah... cutting some of the cold rolled steep is a real pain.
I used a cutting disk on the grinder, it's very similar to a grinding disk but its way thinner - 1mm thick. Fantastic for cutting thin metal sheets, you just need to be careful and not cut too deep though the cut to avoid breaking the disk.
I totally agree when it comes to combining metal work with 3D printing, it's a killer combo 🤩
Great ideas with your case build , if you were to make an updated case,? what would you change ?
That's a very good question 👍 Probably making it a bit longer, since I have the space for it where I keep my serveer it would be no issue in that regards. It's a but tight space at the rear of the HDD, it almost touches the end of the motherboard where the SATA connectors are located. I would also have a bit of space (1cm would be enough) at the bottom of the motherborad to put cables through to get to the over side of the cabinet where the PSU is located.
@@kihestad I jokenly suggest, an idea for a future video, but since youve allready a case,
time spend on the motorbike is allways more fun
I'm not sure if you don't know or just didn't cover it: you'll have to use two of your "new" 8TB drives to replace your parity drives, if you want the parity drives to be able to protect the other two 8TB data drives. (Of course, you'll be able to repurpose your existing two 4TB parity drives as data drives, and they'll protected by the new larger parity drives.)
Also: you might want to use the Unbalanced plugin to move data off your 1TB drives, and then you could actually shrink your array by removing drives (not just replacing them) so you have more drive slots free later, when you get some more drives.
You are absolutely right. I did know about it, I just did not go into detail about the procedure in the video. I used Unraid's "parity swap procedure", it worked out great. I am acutally just now done with rebuilding the first to disks using that procedure. It's this one btw: docs.unraid.net/legacy/FAQ/parity-swap-procedure/
what is the Power Consumption in idle?
I haven't measured it, I can try to figure it out
@kihestad would be great to know.
My NASs range from 11W (Synology 2 Bay), 45W (TrueNAS Scale Setup similar to yours in an old PC with several old HDD and SSD Cache) to 160W (Dell PowerEdge R730 with 16 2,5"SAS)
@@Biggim221 wow, sounds like you have some nice equipment there 😊
Cool!!! I have an old PC, and quite a few old NAS's kicking about and have been thinking of setting up my own server to get away from dropbox, for cost and security reasons...
I used to run an old laptop running xp, in my loft with a couple of NAS as my home made "server" running remotely on my wired home network, and whilst is wasn't ideal, it functioned fine for me, but this is some next level stuff!!
Cannot for the life of me remember hos I set up the xp to run remotely but it cannot have been too hard... :P
However, since those old days I moved house 11 years ago, moved to dropbox around the same time as the "new" house was older with no wired network possibilities and... I completely moved to macos... Are there any issues running unraid via a mac?? Likely not seeing as it's web based - I'll do some research!!
Cool story 👍 Unraid is based on Linux, you download the operating system to a USB stick and run it completely from that one. It works for both PC and MAC. You should absolutely try it! If you made a storage server using Win XP once, well then you are qualified 😁
@@kihestad Perfect thanks!!
Yeah used to be a bit of a geek 15-20 yeas ago, built a few PC's, made my own stripped down, lean & mean xp installation discs with fully slipstreamed SP's and so on, but grew out of it as I got bit older and just wanted somehitng that works all the time, without reinstalling the OS every 6 months to keep it running smoothly haha!! Did try a couple of linux versions before going to mac but that was just way too geeky back then!
doesn't the parity disk need to be equal or larger as the non-parity data disk?
Came here to ask the same (rhetorical) question!
You are right. I used Unraid's "parity swap procedure". Since I am adding 8TB disks and they are bigger than any of my previous disks the partity disks must first be upgraded from 4TB to 8TB. That leaves the previous 4TB parity disk available, and that one will be replacing the 1TB i removed. Unraid has a two step procedure taking care of this: docs.unraid.net/legacy/FAQ/parity-swap-procedure/
Hi, your parity drives are 4Tb but you're adding 8Tb drives... I think the parity has to be at least the size of the largest drive in the array, so you'll not be able to use the 4TB's as parity, you'll need to upgrade those too.
I guess you can replace the 4Tb with two 8Tb, then add those spare 4Tb along with the other two 8Tb to the array.. make sure you tackle the parity drives first though.
You are absolutely right 👍I did not go into details about it in the video. I used Unraid's "parity swap procedure". Since I was adding 8TB disks and they where bigger than any of my previous disks, I indeed needed to upgrade the partity disk first. But it's done in a very elegant way using the "parity swap procedure":
1) Remove old (1TB) disk
2) Insert new (8TB) disk as parity
3) In settings unmount the current parity (4TB) and swap with the new (8TB)
4) In settings mount the previous (4TB) as new datadisk to replace the removed (1TB) disk
5) System runs procedure to rebuild parity, and then rebuilds the datadisk
Here is a link to the procedure: docs.unraid.net/legacy/FAQ/parity-swap-procedure/
Systems and storage tech here. Be careful with cooling. Your setup is common for unraid nas's. All very good.
Glad to hear that! 👍 The cooling is quite good with the airflow stright throug the cabinet and it even passes over all the HDD mounted in the front. The toom is 20-25C. and 30C is the normal temp for the HDD when in use. The CPU around 50C and temp sensor on mainboard shows around 35C. I would think that is temperatures within a healthy range
@@kihestad all good temps. Do you have redundancy in cooling znd what is your fault condition response. Test by turning fan off and run a parity check.
You can tell it to shut down in case of overheat or at the least pause active parity scans.
So you made a box with a computer and a bunch of hard drives in it. Definitely never seen one of those before.
I told you - I want proof if you have seen anything like it 😁😁😁
I love your background music.
As annoying as it is 🤪🤪, I like it. 😁✌🖖
Sorry about that, I found an 8 bit music piece I thought was suitable. It is quite strange 😝😅
Don't worry, my past hack jobs are much worse than that! My seven year old is wanting more and more to use my pc for games - so I'm currently considering whether to give him mine and I upgrade, or buy him his own. I'm a big fan of used enterprise gear so I might go that route for him. Great video!
I have some 10 year old laptops around that support h264 decoding - thinking my kids will be using moonlight from some headless systems for their first gaming PCs.
I have been there, it ended up with my kid having better PC than myself eventually 😆
@@kihestad it might end up like that!
I have one question: according to the name of the system, if I don't allocate any disk for backup, does the loss of one disk result in the loss of data only from that specific disk, or after replacing the damaged one, do I lose all data?
You will only lose data on that spesific disk. Unraid does not split up a file for saving it across multiple disks like traditional RAID systems does. That's why the name: UN-RAID, it's not really a RAID system. In some ways it's a smarter system, but it is missing out on some of the benefits with traditional RAID.
In a traditional RAID system (not Unraid), data are split up over multiple disks. If you have 10 drives the file will split into 10 smaller pieces and saved to each disk and by that getting 10 times faster save speed, minus the times it take to split the file and coordinate the saving. In these systems you must have redundant disks, because one disk fails in a RAID without redundancy you will lose all data for all disks.
Unraid compensates the saving speed by having cache option, you can set up multiple drives in paralell for receiving data fast into the system, and later move it over to regular disks.
I'm all for hiding away tech so its quiet and unintrusive, but I also don't want to do this exact thing for maintenance or upgrading.
Haha 😂 you have a valid point there, luckily 5 years until next time 🤞
I recall something about the available RAM side being incorrect on unraid. Can't remember the fix, though.
Alright, in this case I am pretty sure one of the RAM sticks was bad. It used to show 16 with the old ones until one day I noticed it said 8. With new ones, it's back to 16.
@@kihestad nothing lasts forever, i guess.
sry for dumb question anybody know what light he use?
Hi, I can tell you that 😊 I guess you are referring to the tube light I used inside my secret tunnel? I have just recently bought them and I am very satisfied, I use them all the time. They where not expensive either: here is a link:
www.phottix.com/product/phottix-t200r-rgb-tube-light-twin-pack-kit/
@@kihestad thank you!
3:26 - ummm, no. RAID *can* combine different sizes,, but a the cost of utilizing only the capacity of the smallest drive on all other drives. And expanding the actual VD generally requires erasing everything...
16:30 - is wake on LAN not possible with the 10Gb NIC?
But nice scrap build.
You're right about different disk size is possible with RAID, but you will not be able to increase the usable space until all disks are upgraded.
I could probably configure a wake on lan, at least with the onboard nic, but I like being able to just push a button to start it 😊
So far i have a slightly less janky storage server. I havent bought any harddrives yet but i do have 4 nvme ssds one of them is parity and i have a 5th one for boot
That is probably a pretty fast storage solution! My old motherboard actually supports one M.2 drive, but I have not used it as it disables two of the SATA ports if I do.
@@kihestad i havea PCIE card with 4 nvme slots on it so i am only using the one on my motherboard for booting. this does require some more fancy features but most modern motherbaords have bifurcation(the ability to split a PCIE x16 lane into 4x4x4x4 or other). when playing around with raid 0 i managed faster speeds but i prefer being significantly safer
Did you use Mover to move all the data off the drive you were replacing onto the other drives or did you just replace the drive with a new larger one and let UnRaid restore the missing data?
I used Unraid's "parity swap procedure". Since I am adding 8TB disks now and they are bigger than any of my previous disks, I need to upgrade the partity disk first from 4TB to 8TB. That leaves the previous 4TB parity disk available, and that one will be replacing the 1TB i removed. Unraid has a two step procedure taking care of this: docs.unraid.net/legacy/FAQ/parity-swap-procedure/
To my knowledge the "mover" feature is just for transferring data from temporarely cache to the permanent data disks. When replacing data drives, Unraid rebuilds the data from the parity disk.
Unbalance might be used in such a mission, but not needed in the case of swapping out drives for larger ones.
@@kihestad Apologies I should have said "unblanced" not moved - rookie mistake and good guide on how to replace parity etc :) Great video and love the case!
@@ForthpalmUK I am not familiar with Unbalance, but just from the name I can guess how it works 😁
@@kihestad It's a great app in UnRaid to move complete drive contents (or just folders) to the either another drive or it can distribute the drive content or folders across the other drives in the array. This is handy if you just want to replace a drive without having to use the parity method to rebuild it which can put strain on the other drives apparently.
What do you use to label your HDDs and such?
I have been using a Brother P-touch H102, it's pretty nice for this stuff but it's cumbersome to write the text with it. Would have been better with a tiny printer connected to my PC, wonder if that exists?
You are a weirdo. I like it. And I like your design.
I know 🫤 haha, life is too short to be normal 😅 Thanks 🙏
Biggest advantages of unraid :
It only wake up the disk where data living and parity
Less power consumption and less noisy compare to traditional raid
And shit happened you wont lost all data
Aha, I was a bit worried about the power consumption with all my disks connected and not a very big PSU. I have never had any problems with it, and it does make sense if the disks are powered down when not in use.
Thanks for the feedback 🙏
12:40 You are mistaken. Parity is not a backup. RAID is not a backup. This distinction is important. Backups are complete duplicates of your data. Parity is not a complete duplicate. It's wiggle room for when mistakes happen.
I know, I did a oversimplification when I explained it. I forgot to put up the ✌️quotes✌️ sign with my fingers 😊
I owuld say it's a bit more than wiggle room. I am now currently removing disks from the array and inserts a new blank one. Unraid manages to rebuilds it completely based on the parity in compination with the remaining disks (i assume). But it's ofcourse not the same as backup where you can find a single file in your backup system, extract it and put it back or add it with another name if you had deleted it or some content from a file by a mistake.
I have seen something like this, it's called Jonsbo N5 and then Expenoloyy
Jonsbo N5 is a bit more compact than mine, for Micro-ATX, supports 12 HDD, but very good looking and not too expensive ($300). Not quite the same standard as mine, but it will do 😅
@@kihestad I meant the Jonsbo N5Pro, the one that holds 12HDDs and some SSDs and a whole E-ATX case and full size GPUs.
@@kihestad My apologies, there is no N5 and you were right about it but hey its not bad still. Great for Unbraiding and some TrueNasing...perhaps even some ProxyMoxy ;)
@@kihestad btw Idk if you were curious but I was considering the Jonsbo N5 but then I realized it would be hell trying to migrate to a place where I can shuv more HDDs so I settled on getting the Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL. 18 HDDs (3.5") before putting in random 2.5inchers for SSDs. But Others have gotten to 22 or 25 (3.5" HDDs) through the use of the Fan slots. Yes that is a lot of vibration but its ok, lol buy EXOs or Red Pros or Gold drives.
I would name that server "Anne"
It was a much cuter name than "Cyberpunk NAS" for sure 😁
Imponerende 👍
Takk takk 🙏
Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure 👍
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Alright, I did not understand that, not sure if I want to either 😅
It's not uncommon for IT guys to need protective gloves when moving, or working inside of computer cases of a certain vintage. You're likely to cut your hand on sharp edges of stamped steel otherwise. This thing looks even scarier by comparison.
Nah, I did use gloves when welding the cabinet (five years ago) - that shoud do 🫤😆😁
Anyone makes cases like this commercially?
I doubt it, but I have no idea 🤔
That camera on your chest isn't called a "strap on".
Whatever you do..please don't Google "strap on"..unless you're Dutch..then go right ahead.
I'm not Dutch so I'll stay away from Googling it 😝 Wait, what - why are the Dutch allowed? 😁😂😅
@@kihestad Dutch are allowed because they're just weird and will likely Google "strap-on" and end up ordering a few new colors they didn't already own. I am not a Nederlander, but I did live there for a long time working for NATO..I was so much happier in Darmstadt. Germans are weird too..but in a funny and more understandable & tolerable way. Anyway..VERY nice video. You are an excellent content creator. It maintained my admittedly short attention span and I was rewarded for sticking around for the entire video. Thank you.
RAID.. Redundant Array of Inaccessible Disks.... Fits
Haha, it fits perfectly 😝😅
Parity is not a backup
Yes, agree. Parity it's not a proper backup. I oversimplified it in the video.
But it does depend on how you define the term backup 🤔 A common definition is:
* a copy of data or a system stored separately from the original
The nest question: what is "separately"? Is it enough that it's a separate disk? Does it need to be a separate machine/device? Does it need to be located physically in a separate room or building?
@kihestad seperate machine
As a person who does not enjoy narrow spaces because i have a fear of losing control i will be lying there until eternity. do it with someone to overwatch
@@TECHiHOBBYIST I fell down from my parents garage roof during the winter one time when I was a kid. We were playing in the snow. I ended up with my head first into a small snow cave we had built. The snow collapsed around me, and I got pretty stuck upside down inside the cave. I can still remember the panic I felt back then, I could not breathe there laying upside-down 🥴but I did manage to get loose after only a few seconds.
In other words: I can understand the fear of tight spaces. It's important to know and respect your own limitations. Having someone you can trust available nearby sounds like a good thing 👍
It might be because I have built my room from scratch myself I don't feel any problem crawling into that tunnel. It took me several months, from redoing the finish on the floor, walls and ceiling to building and installing all of the furniture (based on kitchen cabinets from Ikea). I know everything in and out, and therefore everything feels safe and comforting 😊
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Typo in the title. It is "aN Unraid NAS...."
Great area for a panic room lol ;;)
@@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439 Thanks 🙏 typo fixed! It's more like you are panicking inside that tight space 😅