Sour grapes by that guy...don't lead out if you can't handle people swarming...the irony of him yelling at you after the group nearly head-ons another rider.
@@veloboy22 I appreciate the feedback! I still think his point is completely valid when considering the context of it being a training/group ride and not a race. I'm sure we have all seen some way sketchier stuff in other group rides 😂. I think his comments pertained specifically to this ride - and I don't think he felt particularly endangered in this case, but I feel like he spoke up to prevent something more hairy in the future from happening.
That's the sketchy part of riding at Hains Point - i see walkers, runners and cyclist doing counter clockwise loops when everyone is doing clockwise. I understand that the inner lines are painted two ways but it just safer to go with traffic if you ask me. Great job on the group calling out and avoiding the close call. Keep posting your training rides!
@@jameskim3 The person who redesigned it has obviously never actually ridden a bike. Good job being open to cosntructive criticism. I thought the way you actually executed the pass looked safe, but can definitely see things going poorly if the circumstances were slightly different. Keep up the great content!
@Scott_Hammack yeah for sure! Thanks! After 10 years of wayward living (self inflicted) in my 20s and then 10 years of marriage following that, I am 100% certain that I make mistakes and am open to being corrected and learning from whatever comes 🙂😅
@jameskim3 haha, it's all relative. . Be safe sir and have fun! We have "Storm" season where it rains for 2 weeks and everyone complains and the news makes a big deal.
@@cliffcox7643thanks! Reminds me of the time I first moved to VA from MA in 2005 and the forecast called for 4 inches of snow and ALL the stores sold out of bottled water and other essentials and I was like "what universe is this???" 😂
Great video! Not to side with anyone but to attempt a pass on the left where cars are parked and the road narrows…. 😬It was definitely doable in a race situation. However, attempting that move during a training ride is high risk low reward…Also, the fastest line is to the right. It’s also the safest line. Nevertheless, it worked out and everyone learned something. Great job bro! You’re gonna kill it next year.
@@michaelnedd3347 yeah, I agree. Obviously, I never would have done that if there was a car parked there 😅 and that's not a defense for what I did - just mentioning. I knew the fastest line was on the right but I was boxed in. Lizard "race brain" said to go around left, which I probably should have tried turning off in the moment, considering the circumstances of it not being a race and there being no reward for making the move. That was part of Jason's point.
I disagree and don't believe that James needs to apologize at all. Jason fully stopped pedaling in a group moving at 30mph and in a position that could have caused many more issues than the way James handled the situation. Jason was on the left side of the road, with a curb soon approaching that would eliminate any gap that was on his left side. If James had been on his left side and hadn't made the move to pass Jason, James would likely have crashed because he would have to decelerate even more rapidly than Jason after stopping pedaling at 30mph simply to avoid crashing into Jason or the curb. James passed with plenty of clearance and made the situation safer for all the riders.
@@tay-mp9xn I can see what you're saying. The only other option for me in that situation would have been to brake and maybe it could've been bad for people behind or not. Who knows? Haha. I will say the only reason I even attempted the move on the left was because I saw a lot of space. But either way, we learn and we correct and try to ride safely when riding is inherently dangerous. I clearly understand his issue with it, so I'm aware of it.
Legend for the km/h
The legend will continue 👊👊😅
Your move to get out of the box demonstrated knowledge of the course and regard for his safety. You did nothing wrong bruh
Sour grapes by that guy...don't lead out if you can't handle people swarming...the irony of him yelling at you after the group nearly head-ons another rider.
@@veloboy22 I appreciate the feedback! I still think his point is completely valid when considering the context of it being a training/group ride and not a race. I'm sure we have all seen some way sketchier stuff in other group rides 😂. I think his comments pertained specifically to this ride - and I don't think he felt particularly endangered in this case, but I feel like he spoke up to prevent something more hairy in the future from happening.
Whoo man 203bpm! You were cooking
Not sure if it's a blessing or a curse 😂
kmh 👍
@@ramoverde4133 yeah! I'll include that gauge from now on
@@jameskim3 Nice!
That's the sketchy part of riding at Hains Point - i see walkers, runners and cyclist doing counter clockwise loops when everyone is doing clockwise. I understand that the inner lines are painted two ways but it just safer to go with traffic if you ask me. Great job on the group calling out and avoiding the close call. Keep posting your training rides!
@@vanm27 I'm in agreement with you about going with traffic. I will post these whenever I can get out to them 👍. Thanks for watching ✌️
The direction he was going is painted that he can go that direction. He was in the bike lane.
@ did you read my comment?
@@vanm27 oh yeah and I agree with you 100%
the NPS redesign certainly made HP a lot more dangerous. glad everyone is ok.
@@markscott5955 I believe this is the consensus from everyone (minus the person who redesigned it this way 😆)
@@jameskim3 The person who redesigned it has obviously never actually ridden a bike. Good job being open to cosntructive criticism. I thought the way you actually executed the pass looked safe, but can definitely see things going poorly if the circumstances were slightly different. Keep up the great content!
@Scott_Hammack yeah for sure! Thanks! After 10 years of wayward living (self inflicted) in my 20s and then 10 years of marriage following that, I am 100% certain that I make mistakes and am open to being corrected and learning from whatever comes 🙂😅
Them Ebikers with full heavy winter clothing always be ready to cause some problems.
"The weather was pretty nice today" LOL.. from SoCal.
Hahahaha it was 58° and not raining in November! We spoiled! 🤣
@jameskim3 haha, it's all relative. . Be safe sir and have fun! We have "Storm" season where it rains for 2 weeks and everyone complains and the news makes a big deal.
@@cliffcox7643thanks! Reminds me of the time I first moved to VA from MA in 2005 and the forecast called for 4 inches of snow and ALL the stores sold out of bottled water and other essentials and I was like "what universe is this???" 😂
Great video! Not to side with anyone but to attempt a pass on the left where cars are parked and the road narrows…. 😬It was definitely doable in a race situation. However, attempting that move during a training ride is high risk low reward…Also, the fastest line is to the right. It’s also the safest line. Nevertheless, it worked out and everyone learned something. Great job bro! You’re gonna kill it next year.
@@michaelnedd3347 yeah, I agree. Obviously, I never would have done that if there was a car parked there 😅 and that's not a defense for what I did - just mentioning. I knew the fastest line was on the right but I was boxed in. Lizard "race brain" said to go around left, which I probably should have tried turning off in the moment, considering the circumstances of it not being a race and there being no reward for making the move. That was part of Jason's point.
I disagree and don't believe that James needs to apologize at all. Jason fully stopped pedaling in a group moving at 30mph and in a position that could have caused many more issues than the way James handled the situation. Jason was on the left side of the road, with a curb soon approaching that would eliminate any gap that was on his left side. If James had been on his left side and hadn't made the move to pass Jason, James would likely have crashed because he would have to decelerate even more rapidly than Jason after stopping pedaling at 30mph simply to avoid crashing into Jason or the curb. James passed with plenty of clearance and made the situation safer for all the riders.
@@tay-mp9xn I can see what you're saying. The only other option for me in that situation would have been to brake and maybe it could've been bad for people behind or not. Who knows? Haha. I will say the only reason I even attempted the move on the left was because I saw a lot of space. But either way, we learn and we correct and try to ride safely when riding is inherently dangerous. I clearly understand his issue with it, so I'm aware of it.
this is so dangerous riding 50 km'h all over the road on non closed roads youre going to kill someone
@@cameronjette2456 I get your point. I won't debate it, but everyone has their opinions/views. Have a good day 👍