Stephen Krashen: A Forty Years' War

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  • Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
  • Stephen Krashen addresses A Forty Years' War at the ILIS 2017.

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  • @rottentwapple
    @rottentwapple 4 роки тому +106

    I binge-watched Krashen's presentations. Though he repeats himself with those opening remarks and jokes, his eloquence is simply mesmerizing.

  • @rusdayatiidrus5401
    @rusdayatiidrus5401 3 роки тому +29

    I can hear the sound of sincerity in his speech which becomes compelling comprehensible input to my English development.

  • @danielroy8232
    @danielroy8232 Рік тому +7

    blew my mind to hear that fluency and accuracy are two different things.

  • @ithinkthistimeitsgoingtowork
    @ithinkthistimeitsgoingtowork 2 роки тому +20

    This is probably the lecture I’m gonna send to people to introduce them to krashen, cause it’s just all his lectures put into one

  • @danielroy8232
    @danielroy8232 Рік тому +9

    this guy is a great example of intellectual humility. He was perfectly willing to prove his own life's work wrong.

  • @ttien13
    @ttien13 Рік тому +5

    I feel so lucky to be living in the same time as this guy.

  • @GORABELLS-de2wr
    @GORABELLS-de2wr 3 роки тому +7

    I love the acoustics of this talk.

  • @ConnieFoster1
    @ConnieFoster1 10 місяців тому +7

    Tried to learn Spainsh in high school and it was a giant failure. Tried to learn off and on in the years following. Finally was introduced to Krashen and Steve Kaufmann and learned HOW to learn a language. Currently working on my 4th language now. Its a pure shame how famously bad language teaching methods are in schools today

  • @rusdayatiidrus5401
    @rusdayatiidrus5401 3 роки тому +9

    I feel so much indebted to all my teachers for all their basic syllogism they introduced me to at the early years of my studies. Still, I feel I owe more to this kind hearted Prof who shares his knowledge so generously on You tube.

    • @pauld3327
      @pauld3327 Рік тому +2

      I have had more than 10 english teachers over the years. Not a single one of them taught me how to learn english. My english teachers were useless to me. I wish I had known Stephen Krashen when I was 14, hr probably would have changed my life.

  • @Hebamagdy43
    @Hebamagdy43 2 роки тому +3

    amazing lecture, time flies with it. I wanna try it in my next target language.

  • @olesya3540
    @olesya3540 4 роки тому +1

    Just brilliant! Thank you Mr Krashen

  • @medea6341
    @medea6341 Рік тому +4

    1:21:38 "I'm done, please burst into wild applause."

  • @iwonnagwizdalska2829
    @iwonnagwizdalska2829 4 роки тому +4

    It is exelent lecture. Tkanks.

  • @WaffleCake
    @WaffleCake Рік тому +4

    41:38-43:00 This case-study here about "Paul" and the unimportance of motivation is BIG.

  • @yongxianinternationalstudi5757
    @yongxianinternationalstudi5757 3 роки тому +11

    We are native Chinese speakers and we live in Germany. My son acquires Mandarin, English and German as his first languages. I do the same thing too. My German is catching up.

    • @jasonzhang2643
      @jasonzhang2643 3 роки тому +3

      Keep up the good work! I am raising my kid in US and my native language is also Chinese. I am confident that my kid will speak fluent English but I am a little worried about their Chinese. >_

    • @yongxianinternationalstudi5757
      @yongxianinternationalstudi5757 3 роки тому +5

      @@jasonzhang2643 Pleasure reading is the best way for improving the second language. You have to find lots of interesting books written in Chinese, and you read to your child, so your child acquires listeningand reading simultaneously. Speaking and writing are the result of listening and reading. Watching Chinese-language cartoons or other interesting videos can also help a lot. Make sure to find a lot of resources so that your child has lots of options to read or watch. Listening to audio materials helps little because it is difficult for children to concentrate since the environment is English speaking.

    • @yongxianinternationalstudi5757
      @yongxianinternationalstudi5757 3 роки тому

      @@jasonzhang2643 Adults are strong, so we have strong wills to make things happen. Children must be guided to make things happen. We must sacrifice a lot to help children. Please contact me anytime and I will share my experience with you.

    • @yongxianinternationalstudi5757
      @yongxianinternationalstudi5757 3 роки тому +1

      Through reading Manchu-Chinese bilingual documents, I also acquired Manchu into a high level of reading and translating. You can see samples in my channel. I also acquired Mongolian this way. Language acquisition has been proved correct in my practice. It just takes a lot of patience. When you feel difficult, do not give up. Just retreat a little, rest, reflect, improve, and then continue. Language acquisition is life changing and we get stronger in the process.

    • @yongxianinternationalstudi5757
      @yongxianinternationalstudi5757 3 роки тому

      There are many Chinese story books online, with beautiful pictures. Just google them and read to your child, on a daily basis. Do it a little everyday, not a lot once a week.

  • @ungraud6553
    @ungraud6553 3 місяці тому

    The anthropological study about the polyglot culture in the Vaupés River area that he discusses at 1:03:30 is called "Multilingualism in the Northwest Amazon", published by Arthur P. Sorensen Jr. in 1967. I just spent an hour looking for it online, so I thought I should share it here to save others the trouble of looking for it.
    According to the study, the average member of this culture speaks about 3 to 4 languages when he comes of age, and may acquire additional languages over the course of his life by learning some words from others and through passive listening.

  • @tuntunbambam8766
    @tuntunbambam8766 5 років тому +3

    ty so much for your knowledges

  • @dongmeilyu9688
    @dongmeilyu9688 4 роки тому +3

    thank you.such a wise man.

  • @user-ox9wg1jj9w
    @user-ox9wg1jj9w 2 місяці тому

    this lecture is compelling

  • @joaomarcoscarvalho10
    @joaomarcoscarvalho10 5 років тому +8

    Wonderful! I watched the entire video. Krashen is fascinating!

  • @vvvetohin
    @vvvetohin 3 роки тому +8

    Thanks! As for me, the only one reason why this method still doesn't used by schools and universities - this is a great tragedy and big commercial loss for all of that "edicational authority institutes".
    Great.Thanks again!

  • @BigPuffDaddy
    @BigPuffDaddy Рік тому +3

    It honestly shocks me to see someone his age so verbally fluent. My father is the same age, and I can barely have a conversation with him

  • @learningenglish7871
    @learningenglish7871 2 роки тому +2

    I trust historical studies and I love his humor.
    how I could to read journals relating to acquisition of learning English. I started it from scratch.
    I was taught the way of natural acquisitions by language school called ILSC in Montreal.
    Yes. it worked tremendously well.

  • @danielroy8232
    @danielroy8232 Рік тому +4

    I can't help but wonder if these principles of conmprehensive input could be applied to learning a musical instrument. maybe it's not the same.

    • @sinajml5092
      @sinajml5092 Рік тому +2

      Yes, yes, yes!! there are mind-blowing similarities.

  • @codeunreal8097
    @codeunreal8097 3 роки тому +1

    Great lecture but a real shame that there is this constant noise in the audio track. Couldn't you clean this up (denoise it) and re-upload it?

  • @RealLYS
    @RealLYS 2 роки тому +7

    Why? Why the education authorities didn't listen to this old man. This is a world change matter but nothing was changed in the past 40 years in the second language school teaching.

    • @jamesmccloud7535
      @jamesmccloud7535 Рік тому +1

      The education system has remained the same for decades with little change. Not just with language, it is what it is. Old habits die hard

  • @chewee2k
    @chewee2k 4 роки тому +8

    At 21:06 he says, "no one was more disappointed than me," and then goes on to say "I have a Ph.D. in grammar." Hello!

  • @bartliu3158
    @bartliu3158 5 років тому +3

    非常感谢,收获蛮大的。

  • @lucasferreira-jornadadaflu6914
    @lucasferreira-jornadadaflu6914 2 роки тому +2

    My man got jokes non stop lmao.... On a serious note though he's such a deep well of knowledge !

    • @giancolabird
      @giancolabird 2 роки тому

      Too bad they are never funny jokes. Respect to the man for the info

    • @jamesmccloud7535
      @jamesmccloud7535 Рік тому

      ​​@@giancolabird A lot of those jokes he also made in other live talks and the audience laughed at them. All subjective

  • @zacjl6889
    @zacjl6889 2 роки тому +2

    54:47 I burst out laughing here.
    I remember reading a linguistics paper, incredibly confused as to why it was saying "n+1 level", feeling the entire time like the author was describing something in the most roundabout and obfuscated way possible. I guess I have some insight now.

  • @jimcrown21
    @jimcrown21 2 роки тому

    what is this?

  •  Рік тому

    1:13:40 Steve Kaufman. Krashen citando a Kaufman

  • @yongxianinternationalstudi5757
    @yongxianinternationalstudi5757 3 роки тому +6

    Grammar rules are habits. Native speakers just developed those habits since their childhood.

  • @balumful9899
    @balumful9899 5 місяців тому

    I love his humour. thanks for the video. ᖁᔭᓐᓇᒥ

  •  Рік тому

    1:13:00 Gramática sí o no?

  • @baldguyrich
    @baldguyrich 9 місяців тому +1

    Dr. Krashen, while your insights into language acquisition theory were intriguing, I found it difficult to engage fully in your lecture due to your early expression of bias against a political figure. As an enthusiast of your work, I believe maintaining political impartiality is essential when discussing academic topics. Why alienate 50% of the country just becuase you don't like orange man?

  • @matteomagurno3068
    @matteomagurno3068 Рік тому

    11:08

  • @clotho5437
    @clotho5437 3 роки тому

    No wonder i like decaf

    • @jonallen7619
      @jonallen7619 Рік тому

      Shut the fuck up, you don't know shit about language learning

  • @nictegki
    @nictegki 3 роки тому

    @42:00

  • @henrychinaski5306
    @henrychinaski5306 Рік тому

    Is Stephen Krashen Jewish?

    • @ronlugbill1400
      @ronlugbill1400 9 місяців тому

      Yes. He refers to his background in another talk.

  • @tripik426
    @tripik426 Рік тому

    Bruh this audience is DED

    • @jamesmccloud7535
      @jamesmccloud7535 Рік тому +2

      Yeah but great talk nonetheless. Other live lectures that Sir Krashen did the audience was more responsive

    • @tripik426
      @tripik426 Рік тому

      @@jamesmccloud7535 yeah, I agree, Stephen Krashen is the GOAT.

  • @luigibaker7713
    @luigibaker7713 8 місяців тому

    Unfortunately, the following this man has reflects very poorly on some people's critical faculties. He clearly has no experience in teaching languages and confuses a person's ability to understand a language with their ability to speak a language. Anybody who has taught a language will know that these two skills do not necessarily progress together. The younger generations who spend hours watching UA-cam videos and TV series understand extremely well but can find it impossible to string a sentence together. I find it very sad that his arguments are always so one-sided. He's also clearly bitter about how he's been treated by academics in his own field.

  • @vasiliydmitriev3723
    @vasiliydmitriev3723 4 роки тому +7

    A good grammar book is full of texts, examples and other language inputs. So why is it impossible to acquire a language just studying a good big grammar book? It's much more interesting than primitive adapted texts for beginners. And, by the way, I read about a person that learned a language by studying an instruction manual for an aeroplane.

    • @Barsik-M
      @Barsik-M 4 роки тому +14

      It seems you are a very gifted person if you consider grammar books attractive :)

    • @megalingual3215
      @megalingual3215 4 роки тому +8

      Because it's not full immersion. As Stephen says, you should be learning / watching / reading from something where you forget about the language and you're just fully interested in the content! Some people may truly love grammar but it's very rare. Even linguists like steve kaufmann don't recommend learning from grammar books but rather studying history texts etc. And if you're really interested in operating that airplane manual, then you could learn a language from that!

    • @illiiilli24601
      @illiiilli24601 4 роки тому +2

      @@megalingual3215
      > And if you're really interested in operating that airplane manual, then you could learn a language from that!
      but on that note, if you're *really* interested in grammar, no reason why you can't pick up language by reading grammar books written in the target language. Right?
      Offtopic, but I remember reading the manuals for the 2005 Mazda 2 and some 90s Hyundai Lantra as part of my own FVR

    • @LionKimbro
      @LionKimbro 8 місяців тому +1

      What I believe he is saying is that the monitoring process encouraged by “learning” a language, interferes with the process of acquiring a language. Now, if the grammar book just happens to be material- it could have been anything, it just happened to be a grammar book- and that holds your interest, great! But the acquisition isn’t coming from the fact that it happens to be about grammar. The acquisition is coming from the process of comprehensible input- assuming it is comprehensible to you..!

  • @MagnaAnima
    @MagnaAnima 3 роки тому +2

    All language learners must watch not just for trump jokes lol 😂

    • @giancolabird
      @giancolabird 2 роки тому +1

      Trump jokes did not age well. Lets go brandon FJB

    • @michaeledwards1664
      @michaeledwards1664 2 роки тому

      @giancolabird Grow up.

    • @MagnaAnima
      @MagnaAnima 2 роки тому

      @@michaeledwards1664 why don’t you go storm the capital again.

    • @michaeledwards1664
      @michaeledwards1664 2 роки тому

      @@MagnaAnima I was responding to the troll above.

  • @taaat9589
    @taaat9589 2 роки тому +2

    he predicted the trump being impeached lol

    • @giancolabird
      @giancolabird 2 роки тому

      Because they intended to impeach him before he even took office. It was a done deal, no matter he did nothing wrong. How are you doing with your new fave Biden? Ready to give 450 thousand dollars to people here illegally? Like those gas prices? Ready to go to war over Taiwan? Ready for the IRS to look into your bank account on a regular basis? Enjoying those senseless mandates and loss of your constitutional rights?

    • @taaat9589
      @taaat9589 2 роки тому

      @@giancolabird I live in the UK I don't really care about Biden or Trump. vent somewhere else

    • @giancolabird
      @giancolabird 2 роки тому

      @@taaat9589 then why did you bring it up?

    • @giancolabird
      @giancolabird 2 роки тому

      @@taaat9589 then why did you bring it up?

    • @taaat9589
      @taaat9589 2 роки тому

      @@giancolabird You're acting like a made some political statement, I just thought he predicted it by chance. Just because I don't care about them doesn't mean I cant comment on anything related them.

  • @TheHaining
    @TheHaining 2 роки тому +2

    Talks all based on personal and professional anecdotes - there is hardly any hard evidence here. May be entertaining but when he dismisses grammar outright he is clearly trying to get his own back on somebody he believes he was wronged by decades ago. There is no other explanation for the hate he harbours for grammar. What need is there to refer to the grammar/non-grammar involvement in teaching debate as a '40-years' war'? Comprehensible input and skill building clearly go hand in hand. What is wrong with this man?

    • @ithinkthistimeitsgoingtowork
      @ithinkthistimeitsgoingtowork 2 роки тому +10

      I can’t think of a single guest lecture at a college I’ve attended that isn’t almost entirely anecdotes. If you want the hard evidence, read the research.

    • @jonallen7619
      @jonallen7619 Рік тому +1

      You don't know shit about language learning

    • @ledaswan5990
      @ledaswan5990 Рік тому +5

      Well people don’t learn languages by learning grammar. I guess he’s just trying to get people to understand that we were given grammar in school but nobody ever actually learned to speak a language that way yet schools keep doing it. It can be interesting but pointless if your goal is to learn to speak.

    • @jamesmccloud7535
      @jamesmccloud7535 Рік тому +3

      @@ledaswan5990 Don't know anybody who spoke fluently after learning the grammar in school, not one. Almost everybody hated it.

  • @robertknull456
    @robertknull456 4 роки тому +26

    Interesting but get over this Trump fascination

    • @allafleche
      @allafleche Рік тому

      I agree, it's completely out of place, makes him look like an ass, especially now with the democrats pushing war and catastrophic economic and social situation.

  • @thornog3464
    @thornog3464 4 місяці тому

    This video didn't age well politically... He dislikes Trump, which probably means he voted for Biden. Biden has dementia! I have a tip, Stephen.. stick to what you're good at. Language, not politics 😂 🤡

  • @user-jt8eg6bx2x
    @user-jt8eg6bx2x 2 роки тому +1

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  • @user-fl7jz5sr9f
    @user-fl7jz5sr9f 4 місяці тому

    At 21:06 he says, "no one was more disappointed than me," and then goes on to say "I have a Ph.D. in grammar." Hello!