I've definitely used gorilla tape but it leaves residue all over the rim which can be a pain and I'd guess it's twice as heavy as rim tape. Flex tape will seal your tire but after a short time it'll dimple into the spoke holes and make seating the next tire close to impossible. At that price it's better to just use regular rim take, it's best attribute is that it's the stiffest of all those options so the bed of the rim stays the most consistent for multiple tire changes.
I have used Gorilla tape and it works; however, I believe it allows sealant to weep through the tape and corrodes spoke nipples. Will not be an issue for the first couple of years, but you may find after a few years the corroded nipples are breaking and your spokes / wheels are trash.
I set up a long term test wheel and will watch out for this, I appreciate the heads up! I’ve also been looking at certain chemicals in sealant that react badly with aluminum over time, there are quite a few in the market that use things that are not good on alum long term.
I don't understand what's expensive here. Most bikes come with tubeless tape installed and, if not, I've got a perfectly fine pre-cut tape that just slides over the rim for like 10 dollars total. Valves are around 12 bucks a pair giving you somewhere in the vicinity of 30 dollars per bike with sealant. I don't think it's such a ridiculous amount considering the prices of bikes or the fact that simple suspension service costs around a hundred. And that said I've been running inner tubes for over a decade with numerous complaints, constantly getting pinch flats and stuff, which is vastly more expensive.
I heard gorilla tape works well but winds up being tuff to clean the rims up when the tape needs to be replaced (the glue from the tape) so I go with Stan’s, STR (for fat rims) and DT Swiss 😅 .
In 25 or 30 attempts I have never got to have a tubeless tire to hold air. I used Schwalbe tape, valves of all types, including DT-Swiss, tubeless ready tires. Never held air. The furthest I got to it was a week.
That's the nature tubeless tyres, you have to always keep pumping up, especially if you don't ride them for a few days, that's why many prefer to run tubes, you can leave the bike for a month, and the tyres are still pumped and ready to go.
I’ve had some tires that are just always slowly leaking, mostly with certain brands. Weather can play a factor but not so much that you would only get a week out of them. Maybe it’s worth it to make a tubeless inspection/diagnosis video?
So you're saying some tubeless set ups don't lose air pressure if you don't ride them for a while? Either way, it would make a good video, I don't see this aspect discussed a lot.
A video maybe doing tubeless a few ways over a set time period with some UV dye in the sealant to locate the leaks and see which tires lose the most pressure? Even in a perfect scenario we have to wonder where the air goes, cars are tubeless and can sit for years.
Well that's a very good point, I just accepted tubeless bike tyres go down always if not ridden. Look forward to your video, I'll have to subscribe to be notified 👍😊
The non tubeless skinwall tire would probably have been able to seat with another layer or two of Gorilla tape. The biggest advantage of going ghetto tubeless with Gorilla tape is that it's thick enough to take up some of the space that you found leaks so much air because the bead isn't tight enough to the rim. I've had some ghetto tubeless setups last the life of the tire without problem.
I’ve used gorilla tape and it works as does any duct tape but gorilla Tape is worse because it make putting tire on and taking off very hard also after time the gorilla tape’s adhesive gets stuck to the rim. There’s a reason for rim specific tape.
@@EVO1CYCLING I had a wheel I used gorilla tape on when it came time to take off tire I had to cut it off. That defeats the purpose of if your on a trail and get a flat and have to put a tube in and can’t get the tire off to do it. In theory gorilla tape sounds good because it’s cheap. Remember sometimes you get what you pay for.🤔👍
Why stop at Gorilla tape or Flex Seal tape? Why not try electrical tape? As for the valve, why not just cut out a valve from an old tube? I’m sure any of those methods will work and if you feel comfortable with that set up ripping down step trails, go for it! Personally I’d rather just get the branded tape, the valves and use tubeless ready tires on tubeless rims. As for valves leaking, I have made silicone O rings that I insert as an inside washer. This help if the shape of the value doesn’t fit snugly in the rim/tape interface.
Glad to have seen this! Tubeless had me curious and now I know it’s a complete and utter bunch of messy and expensive nonsense that I will definitely avoid, shows how well corp America has got on convincing us to buy stuff we don’t need and actually turns out to be more resource intensive, more expensive and of limited value than the “old” process
so basically you're showing people a system that some of us have been using for over 20 years with either stans rim tape or electrical tape & a bit of liquid latex & also with standard tyres. I always remove the core add a bit of water & liquid soap to the rim (the bubbles help seal up any air escaping & help the tyre seat into the rim. once that's done add the sealant that way refit the core & re-inflate with the valve towards the top (I've also found that flattening the tyre slightly over the valve helps with seating the beads)Shake the tyre side to side to get the sealant onto the side walls & then take the bike for a quick spin.
I’ve used G tape since trying unsuccessfully with Stans way back. I’ve never had an issue with G tape, other than it takes a bit more to clean the residue occasionally. Over 15 years now. I’ll never buy tubeless tape!
@@EVO1CYCLING I am. tho mostly just locally..It got crazy trying to keep up with demand and still work and do family stuff. I dialed it down a bit to keep my sanity.. LOL
Gorilla tape will absorb the sealant and weight more because you will need to add more sealant. It will become very heavy. Tried it . Good luck maybe it just didn't work well for me
Can you get Tesa 4289 in the States? Here in Germny it is my go to tubeless tape. You can get a roll of 66 meters (that is around 72 yards) for 17.50€. Compared to 13.99$ for a ten yard roll of Stan's that's quite a deal ^^
I feel like it’s “safe-ish” as long as it’s not an integral part or something that requires strength. I have some stuff coming that will be SUPER SKETCHY! Thank you for the support!
I used to use gorilla tape way back in the day. Only problem is seating the tires because the tape is pretty thick. Also a pain in the ass to clean the rim when taking it off. But, if fo sho works fine.
I have the DT swiss branded roll in 23mm and 30mm it's 10 meters each roll selling for about 20$ a roll if you avoid major distribution network, okay it's a bit pricey but I'm shallow like that 😂
That’s not nearly as bad as some prices I’ve seen for far less tape. I bought some Muc Off recently and was blown away by how expensive it was and how little I got
Why people do this is beyond me. Gorilla tape is a horrible idea, some sealants can and will dissolve the glue on it and then good luck wasting hours on cleaning the residue, that is after your tyre starts leaking 30 miles from home when you least expect it. If you want to do ghetto tubeless, all you need is a thinner stripe of PCV tape just over the nipple holes and electrical tape, preferably with an additional ghetto gasket around the valve, cause electrical tape stretches and it's always a lottery, if the valve will leak or not. Then there is the at least yearly maintenance, which I stopped bothering with, considering how much time and work it is to do this crap every time. Either tape your wheels proper, or have a shop do that for you. Or just use tubes which is preferable, unless you have issues with tight fitting rim and tyre combo. If you catch a lot of flats, thicker tubes and better tyres with puncture protection can also be a solution. Lower pressure and wheel weight is a meme. Tubeless only makes sense, if you catch a lot of flats and if it's hard or impossible to swap a tube when you're out riding, but the latter we can all attribute to tubeless ready wheels and thin as paper "lightweight" tubes. If youtubers and the industry really want to push tubeless that much, maybe start doing solutions that work, like sealant that seals and you don't have to spend hours cleaning your tyres every year, or tape that is strong and actually has some flex? Maybe popularise those nipple hole plugs that can be run over by just cheap electric tape? Or maybe go back to wheels, tyres and tubes we actually had years ago that worked and were easy to maintain?
I just bought a used bike online with tubeless tires so was a good watch also recently went flat and was about to take the tire off when seen it was sealed up bead so was like maybe i shouldnt and pumped it up again and seen was leakinf near the valve and had to tighten it. How do you know when to put more of the sealant in it
Thanks for watching! Typically it’s every 3-4 months, but I have stretched it to almost a year. I do tend to use more sealant than is recommended so in theory it will take longer for it to dry out. I’ll do a video soon going over it for you!
It works very well but very hard to clean if you leave it, even if you don't the glue is stickyyyy. You can get branded ones on tradeinn or unbranded stuff for about 50 cent a meter ...
Don't be cheap! I used plugs to repair my tubeless tires on my motorcycle for years.. always got me home or to a repair shop for new tires. Plug and glue..fill with air.. back on the road in no time.
What a frigging mess.... Why don't you mount the tyre, remove the valve core and inflate the tyre and seat it on the rim, then add the sealant down the valve using a silicone tube from the bottle, replace the core and inflate it... That pouring it in the side and hoping for the best that it won't blow out everywhere is plain stupid and messy/wasteful.... And to distribute it put the wheel on the floor and spin it like a spinning top on both sides trying to get an oscillation/wobble going....
@@EVO1CYCLING I'm a bike mechanic, trust me this works- big tyres like gravel/mtb are never usually an issue, narrow road ones are far trickier and will often pop back off the seating(road tyres are usually way flimsier due to weight minimisation), best with them once inflated on the rim to let the air out as gently as possible, get the sealant and valve in, and inflated as quickly as you can !! (and as usual, any mis-shapen tyres or problem ones stick a tube in and inflate and leave overnight, then only disturb one side removing the tube and getting the tubeless valve back in)
I love tubes myself for most of my daily riding, but I have seen some “get home” advantages in certain scenarios with tubeless. I’m still not 100% sold because if you bust the sidewall open it’s done unlike a tube where you could limp it home. Plus having to have a lot of air to get the tire to seat on tubeless is a PITA.
I've definitely used gorilla tape but it leaves residue all over the rim which can be a pain and I'd guess it's twice as heavy as rim tape. Flex tape will seal your tire but after a short time it'll dimple into the spoke holes and make seating the next tire close to impossible. At that price it's better to just use regular rim take, it's best attribute is that it's the stiffest of all those options so the bed of the rim stays the most consistent for multiple tire changes.
I have used Gorilla tape and it works; however, I believe it allows sealant to weep through the tape and corrodes spoke nipples. Will not be an issue for the first couple of years, but you may find after a few years the corroded nipples are breaking and your spokes / wheels are trash.
I set up a long term test wheel and will watch out for this, I appreciate the heads up! I’ve also been looking at certain chemicals in sealant that react badly with aluminum over time, there are quite a few in the market that use things that are not good on alum long term.
I've used gorilla tape on several wheels with no issue. The downside is cleaning the tape residue off of the rim. Super Seal.
I haven’t gone to clean the wheel up yet 😅 this should be fun!
I don't understand what's expensive here. Most bikes come with tubeless tape installed and, if not, I've got a perfectly fine pre-cut tape that just slides over the rim for like 10 dollars total. Valves are around 12 bucks a pair giving you somewhere in the vicinity of 30 dollars per bike with sealant. I don't think it's such a ridiculous amount considering the prices of bikes or the fact that simple suspension service costs around a hundred. And that said I've been running inner tubes for over a decade with numerous complaints, constantly getting pinch flats and stuff, which is vastly more expensive.
It’s more of a budget and just for fun thing honestly, I like finding cheap solutions and sometimes they turn out better. 🙃
Super sealer!
keep up the hard work!
I heard gorilla tape works well but winds up being tuff to clean the rims up when the tape needs to be replaced (the glue from the tape) so I go with Stan’s, STR (for fat rims) and DT Swiss 😅 .
Damn I hadn’t thought about cleanup 😅
I use goo b gone and it cleans right up
In 25 or 30 attempts I have never got to have a tubeless tire to hold air. I used Schwalbe tape, valves of all types, including DT-Swiss, tubeless ready tires. Never held air. The furthest I got to it was a week.
That's the nature tubeless tyres, you have to always keep pumping up, especially if you don't ride them for a few days, that's why many prefer to run tubes, you can leave the bike for a month, and the tyres are still pumped and ready to go.
I’ve had some tires that are just always slowly leaking, mostly with certain brands. Weather can play a factor but not so much that you would only get a week out of them. Maybe it’s worth it to make a tubeless inspection/diagnosis video?
So you're saying some tubeless set ups don't lose air pressure if you don't ride them for a while? Either way, it would make a good video, I don't see this aspect discussed a lot.
A video maybe doing tubeless a few ways over a set time period with some UV dye in the sealant to locate the leaks and see which tires lose the most pressure? Even in a perfect scenario we have to wonder where the air goes, cars are tubeless and can sit for years.
Well that's a very good point, I just accepted tubeless bike tyres go down always if not ridden. Look forward to your video, I'll have to subscribe to be notified 👍😊
I used Gorilla tape and aliexpress stems when I converted my fat-bike to tubeless 5 years ago. Still using the same tires, tape and stems
Great video. Always enjoy your content. Super seal and for the win👍🏻
Thank you for the support! It means a lot! The super sealant is LEGIT!
The non tubeless skinwall tire would probably have been able to seat with another layer or two of Gorilla tape. The biggest advantage of going ghetto tubeless with Gorilla tape is that it's thick enough to take up some of the space that you found leaks so much air because the bead isn't tight enough to the rim. I've had some ghetto tubeless setups last the life of the tire without problem.
I have used Gorilla tape for years, and its not that bad to take it off using VM&P Naphtha solution same that I use to remove glue from tubular tires.
I’ll give that a shot! Thanks for the tip!
I’ve used gorilla tape and it works as does any duct tape but gorilla Tape is worse because it make putting tire on and taking off very hard also after time the gorilla tape’s adhesive gets stuck to the rim. There’s a reason for rim specific tape.
That’s kinda my fear with pulling it off now 😅
@@EVO1CYCLING I had a wheel I used gorilla tape on when it came time to take off tire I had to cut it off. That defeats the purpose of if your on a trail and get a flat and have to put a tube in and can’t get the tire off to do it. In theory gorilla tape sounds good because it’s cheap. Remember sometimes you get what you pay for.🤔👍
Why stop at Gorilla tape or Flex Seal tape? Why not try electrical tape? As for the valve, why not just cut out a valve from an old tube? I’m sure any of those methods will work and if you feel comfortable with that set up ripping down step trails, go for it!
Personally I’d rather just get the branded tape, the valves and use tubeless ready tires on tubeless rims. As for valves leaking, I have made silicone O rings that I insert as an inside washer. This help if the shape of the value doesn’t fit snugly in the rim/tape interface.
That’s not a bad idea at all… follow up video coming soon! Thanks for being here!
Glad to have seen this! Tubeless had me curious and now I know it’s a complete and utter bunch of messy and expensive nonsense that I will definitely avoid, shows how well corp America has got on convincing us to buy stuff we don’t need and actually turns out to be more resource intensive, more expensive and of limited value than the “old” process
Gorilla tape works but wheels with factory rim tape are my fav. I could use that sealant for gravel and MTB tires 😊
There is no better feeling than factory tape! I just never luck out with good ones 😂
so basically you're showing people a system that some of us have been using for over 20 years with either stans rim tape or electrical tape & a bit of liquid latex & also with standard tyres. I always remove the core add a bit of water & liquid soap to the rim (the bubbles help seal up any air escaping & help the tyre seat into the rim. once that's done add the sealant that way refit the core & re-inflate with the valve towards the top (I've also found that flattening the tyre slightly over the valve helps with seating the beads)Shake the tyre side to side to get the sealant onto the side walls & then take the bike for a quick spin.
I’ve wanted to try electrical tape, does it really work?
@@EVO1CYCLING it does but you need quite a lot of it depending on rim with a dedicated rim tape works better
Guerrilla tape is the goto rim tape on a budget. Been using for years.
I’ve used G tape since trying unsuccessfully with Stans way back. I’ve never had an issue with G tape, other than it takes a bit more to clean the residue occasionally. Over 15 years now. I’ll never buy tubeless tape!
It goes on so much easier than the normal plastic tape, have you had issues with it absorbing sealant?
Super seal. Found your channel last week, so stoked to see the number plates I designed years ago on your wall. Now there gone. 👀😂.
No way!? I’m actually building a better display for them right now so they will be coming back out soon! Are you still doing plates?
@@EVO1CYCLING I am. tho mostly just locally..It got crazy trying to keep up with demand and still work and do family stuff. I dialed it down a bit to keep my sanity.. LOL
Cross my fingers have yet to have issues with tubeless just nake sure tonout fresh sealent on here and there.. oh yeah super seal for sure!
Yes!!
Sealant, I really want to try to go tubeless.
Getting back into mountain biking after more than a decade! Super Sealant would be awesome to try going tubeless with the new bike.
Gorilla tape will absorb the sealant and weight more because you will need to add more sealant. It will become very heavy. Tried it .
Good luck maybe it just didn't work well for me
Had no idea! I'm about to redo my tape and check in on it so I'll watch out for this!
Super sealer. Love your videos
Thank you for the support! I seriously appreciate it!
Can you get Tesa 4289 in the States? Here in Germny it is my go to tubeless tape. You can get a roll of 66 meters (that is around 72 yards) for 17.50€. Compared to 13.99$ for a ten yard roll of Stan's that's quite a deal ^^
I’m not sure but I’m going to look into it! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the informative and fun video. I guess I could use gorilla tape in a pinch!?! But I would be afraid of almost anything off of Temu!!
I feel like it’s “safe-ish” as long as it’s not an integral part or something that requires strength. I have some stuff coming that will be SUPER SKETCHY! Thank you for the support!
I used to use gorilla tape way back in the day. Only problem is seating the tires because the tape is pretty thick. Also a pain in the ass to clean the rim when taking it off. But, if fo sho works fine.
I only use rims without spoke holes.
Could definitely use those videos you were talking about
Coming up in the next week or two! Thank you for being here!
I have the DT swiss branded roll in 23mm and 30mm it's 10 meters each roll selling for about 20$ a roll if you avoid major distribution network, okay it's a bit pricey but I'm shallow like that 😂
That’s not nearly as bad as some prices I’ve seen for far less tape. I bought some Muc Off recently and was blown away by how expensive it was and how little I got
Why people do this is beyond me. Gorilla tape is a horrible idea, some sealants can and will dissolve the glue on it and then good luck wasting hours on cleaning the residue, that is after your tyre starts leaking 30 miles from home when you least expect it. If you want to do ghetto tubeless, all you need is a thinner stripe of PCV tape just over the nipple holes and electrical tape, preferably with an additional ghetto gasket around the valve, cause electrical tape stretches and it's always a lottery, if the valve will leak or not. Then there is the at least yearly maintenance, which I stopped bothering with, considering how much time and work it is to do this crap every time. Either tape your wheels proper, or have a shop do that for you. Or just use tubes which is preferable, unless you have issues with tight fitting rim and tyre combo. If you catch a lot of flats, thicker tubes and better tyres with puncture protection can also be a solution. Lower pressure and wheel weight is a meme. Tubeless only makes sense, if you catch a lot of flats and if it's hard or impossible to swap a tube when you're out riding, but the latter we can all attribute to tubeless ready wheels and thin as paper "lightweight" tubes.
If youtubers and the industry really want to push tubeless that much, maybe start doing solutions that work, like sealant that seals and you don't have to spend hours cleaning your tyres every year, or tape that is strong and actually has some flex? Maybe popularise those nipple hole plugs that can be run over by just cheap electric tape? Or maybe go back to wheels, tyres and tubes we actually had years ago that worked and were easy to maintain?
Great points, I appreciate the insight!
Super sealant please
It’s fantastic stuff!
I just bought a used bike online with tubeless tires so was a good watch also recently went flat and was about to take the tire off when seen it was sealed up bead so was like maybe i shouldnt and pumped it up again and seen was leakinf near the valve and had to tighten it. How do you know when to put more of the sealant in it
Thanks for watching! Typically it’s every 3-4 months, but I have stretched it to almost a year. I do tend to use more sealant than is recommended so in theory it will take longer for it to dry out. I’ll do a video soon going over it for you!
Thanks for risking your fingers - twice. 😮💨
Anything for science! Hahaha
I've been using Gorrila tape for years and still haven't replaced it.
Now, the tube tires won't seal?
👍🏻
I've been using gorilla tape for a few years now, i'll never buy brand name rim tape ever...
It’s fantastic!
It works very well but very hard to clean if you leave it, even if you don't the glue is stickyyyy.
You can get branded ones on tradeinn or unbranded stuff for about 50 cent a meter ...
Have fun spending hours getting the glue residue off
Don't be cheap! I used plugs to repair my tubeless tires on my motorcycle for years.. always got me home or to a repair shop for new tires. Plug and glue..fill with air.. back on the road in no time.
I'm traditionalist use tubes
super sealer :D
What a frigging mess.... Why don't you mount the tyre, remove the valve core and inflate the tyre and seat it on the rim, then add the sealant down the valve using a silicone tube from the bottle, replace the core and inflate it... That pouring it in the side and hoping for the best that it won't blow out everywhere is plain stupid and messy/wasteful.... And to distribute it put the wheel on the floor and spin it like a spinning top on both sides trying to get an oscillation/wobble going....
Great idea, I’ll have to try it that way next time!
@@EVO1CYCLING I'm a bike mechanic, trust me this works- big tyres like gravel/mtb are never usually an issue, narrow road ones are far trickier and will often pop back off the seating(road tyres are usually way flimsier due to weight minimisation), best with them once inflated on the rim to let the air out as gently as possible, get the sealant and valve in, and inflated as quickly as you can !! (and as usual, any mis-shapen tyres or problem ones stick a tube in and inflate and leave overnight, then only disturb one side removing the tube and getting the tubeless valve back in)
Gorilla tape leaves a sticky residue and is a pain to clean off
Yeah I’m not looking forward to the cleanup from this 😅 I wonder if rubbing alcohol or goof-off would work
goo be gone cleans it up pretty easily
Sticking with rim tape cuz duct tape is a dick move honestly
Wrong, gorilla tape, eventually melts and glues the tire to the wheel. I will never use it again.
Good to know, I set up a long term tester so I’ll be looking out for this specifically. Also testing for adhesive issues and it becoming porous
i could use that hat tho...
Yes!!
I'll use gorilla tape.
Yes!!
Shock pump.
TPU inner tubes roll nice, bo mess, easy to fix road side, cheap as chips
That's not cheap.
I love tubes myself for most of my daily riding, but I have seen some “get home” advantages in certain scenarios with tubeless. I’m still not 100% sold because if you bust the sidewall open it’s done unlike a tube where you could limp it home. Plus having to have a lot of air to get the tire to seat on tubeless is a PITA.
Ive tried them. Tubeless is better.
What a mess…I hate that job…
It’s the job I always put off until the end of the day, even editing this video took a while due to putting it off 😂
Tubeless is so dumb. Unless you're racing it makes NO sense.
Super sealer!
Thanks for watching!