“You can either resist, or lean into it” …. Or walk away. “Reality doesn’t require our participation in order to exist, bullshit does.” -Terrence Mckenna
It seems like you're drawing a dichotomy between the "hustle culture" perfectionism and "goblin mode" hedonism. Both are two sides of the same coin and both are perfectionist at heart. Hustle culture means not accepting anything less than perfection and "going into goblin mode" means resigning to the fact that you cannot be perfect, instead preferring to do nothing. This self-neglect feeds into your existing feelings of anxiety, and so begins a nasty vicious cycle (think of NEETs or hikikomoris). Perfection is the enemy of good, and you must accept this in order to live a better life.
i understand your point, but ultimately you are using "old" philosophy to describe the "new". I think Moses is saying that even goblin hedonism will cease to exist, as you mentioned they're both the same side of the coin. But in the future normal life could be described as goblin hedonism but, from the understanding of the future normal life, that past "goblin hedonism" will cease to exist, because for example humans will just have a button that makes them happy, that couldn't be considered hustle culture or hedonism but is the new cultural norm. which could be described by people like us as goblin hedonism but it's true meaning to the future is completely different, the paradigm would be completely different, how could hustle culture exist with that button? or hedonism even, because all will do is press that button. To us it seems like hedonism (which can only exist with its counterpart a hustle culture) but to the future it is simply life, and no amount of past philosophy will be able to make sense of the strange new world we're hurling towards.
Goblin mode isn’t rebellion at all. It’s exactly what corporate interests want you to do if you’re not going to subscribe to hustle culture. It extracts all your attention for ad revenue and all your money for empty pleasures that you’ll have to replace more and more frequently. I’m not taking either road, but that doesn’t mean I’m not looking forward a future that I can create for myself. Go outside, touch grass, find your physical real community; there’s plenty of people that aren’t taking those paths either.
Having to reach higher and higher levels of empty materialism in order to fulfil the soul only leads to a lack of fulfilment and ultimately purpose. Looks like a God shaped hole can’t be filled by the material world. APTTMH
@@mark-yj5sgLITERALLY. I’ve been around Billionaires and crypto bros the majority are miserable asking for advice on women because they thought having money could substitute character 😂
Note that the rat experiment didn't go that way when the rats were given a kind of environment where a rat would be naturally fulfilled without the need for a drug like cocaine.
@@nobodynoone2500 I have no idea, I'd guess about 70% use alcohol AT LEAST occasionally. Weed is pretty common too especially in the social circles I hang out with (musicians and queer people).
That's the problem, humans not being allowed to forge the environment to their exact needs is against our nature. We are held back by practical limitations, property/land laws and other people from building the landscapes that best suit our lives and the lives of others. We were designed to live in cities, just not the cities being built for us now.
@@necrosteel5013 we were not designed to live in cities lol, we are still animals molded by millions of years of evolution that, back before agriculture forced us into bigger and bigger settlements, your community or village didn't surpass a few dozen members, its the same reason you don't see big packs of other animals, monkey, wolvers, whatever. Once they get big enough conflict is inevitable. If you want to learn more I do recommend the book Homo deus from this same video, eye opening in terms that we are just monkeys that thanks to some myths (religion and money) we were able to cooperate with people you dont know and create civilization
I think AI will ruin the internet constantly trying to gaslight and sell crap to each other until the internet just stops working. Then all the goblins stumble out of their house rubbing their eyes gazing upon the sun as if it’s a new Apple product. Edvard Griegs “Morning” plays. Thank you Sam Altman, you’ve saved us all!
The rat experiment that I believe you may be referring to also had the rat isolated. Johann Hari speaks about this in his Ted talk “Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong.” When they did the experiment where the rats weren’t isolated, they barely touched the substances.
For me personally, I went psudo-goblin mode for years. The thing I did that was most beneficial in getting out of it was to quit comparing myself to others and instead compare myself to myself yesterday. It took me from being 17 years old with an anxiety disorder that made it hard to leave my house, to a 27 year old today that has a loving wife, a successful business, a home and in general is pretty content with life. If you try to focus on attaining the things celebrities or billionaires have you're constantly going to be discouraged because there's just too big of a gap between you and them. Sustainable personal growth doesn't start with a rigorous process of "hustling" until you have a Lamborghini or a rental property, it doesn't even start by having better grades then your classmates. It starts by literally cleaning your fucking room, taking pride in yourself and your personal accomplishments no matter how small they are and continuously doing better for yourself and those people you actually care about, each and every day. Long term, money is nice, it solves a lot of problems, but from someone who's been there. It's not the be all end all and as you get older and more accomplished, the things money can buy that used to bring you joy stop bringing you as much joy. You need to be in tune with yourself in order to truly find the things that are going to give you meaning and fulfillment. For me its been the relationships with my loved ones, pets, planting trees in my backyard, hatching quail with my wife and being able to improve peoples lives through my work. What you want and desire from your life is going to be something different, and its going to be subject to change alongside your tastes.
This is 💯% true. I wish I could have internalized this sooner. But even at 31yrs old, it's not to late for me. I've been improving my skills and mental abilities of yet. Hopefully I will be in a good trade in 5 years. I'm doing this for me, and no one else.
Who would've thought that after getting closer to understanding the human brain. We just go back to drawing on walls and staring at fire. Thank you internet for providing us stimulants.
I believe the test rat was alone, which is very interesting to my personal life. After a rough childhood and military, I am now 25 and have been traveling full-time in an RV for 4 years As great as it has been to see Western America, I've only recently gotten over my weed addiction and am still being carried by my phone addiction that makes exercise, meditation, cleanliness, & preparing meals my biggest obstacle and goal Surrounded by a new swath of deep nature all the time, and I struggle to get away from my screen or numb self with weed It is because of this that I've been highly considering changing my lifestyle so that I may more often meet Like-Binded community, especially my age which is a huge Rarity in my nomad lifestyle
I have 5 screens playing this video at different speeds at the same time, your voice soothes me while something grows inside my pants. A 0.3kg hernia, I be lifting weights every second, no pain no gain, n drinking power shakes that are keeping me on the toilet for too long n giving me hemorrhoids, also listening to 2 audiobooks rite now, one about climate change, the other about the CEO mindset. I'm working 2 jobs, i live alone but have many friends who talk to me everyday, they play videogames and make jokes, but they almost never answer back to me though. Good vid :)
Two major flaws in your theory here: 1. Just cuz you met someone on Tinder doesn't mean they'll make you any less lonely. 2. With anything that is stimulating, tolerance always builds up and will result in complete numbness if you just keep engaging in it.
"We're just a primate species, we're not special" is one of the most important lies everyone believes. The difference in ability between a monkey and a dolphin is like, one can swim and the other can climb trees. The difference between me and a monkey is that I can literally build a fucking car. Like bruh. Its not the same and we all know it deep down, all that "we're just animals" stuff is intellectualized cope. Obviously we are built to do more. So do more. Its hella fun
He, and no one else, is denying that humans are much smarter than animals. It's just that we are driven by the same impulses and drives as a monkey, and we are about as fit for this world as a chimp is an airline pilot.
@@personhuman7778 that doesnt make any sense bra, by that logic we are much more fit for the world than a chimp is an airline pilot since we are "driven by animal impulses". This is my problem with this type of shit is there is zero substance to it, just flowery sensational sentences that are excuses to underachieve and do lame shit. Shut up and go make something cool
@@personhuman7778 that doesnt makes sense bra if we are driven by the "same impulses and drives as a monkey" then we are much more fit for this world than a chimp is an airline pilot lmfao
@@personhuman7778 stop trying to logically support the idea of using a high powered machine to do nothing but consume, and just be honest about the fact that you are choosing to underachieve and be lame on purpose. And then, slowly realize how much more fun it is to build cool shit than just eat cheetos and fart. I wish you and anyone reading the best
A future where we're so addicted to entertainment that we can't physically fulfill our basic needs, interestingly enough that's basically the plot of Infinite Jest.
imo the vibe I get is that longer-term happiness is leans roughly towards the fulfillment of meaning, while shorter-term leans more towards pleasure. We are substituting meaning for this type power you talk about in the video, which feels like a shallow type of pleasure on its own. When you get down to it ultimately they're both just different flavours of experience, both simulated by stimulating our neurotransmitters in different ways. I do think that because meaning gives people drive and drive is not only important but necessary for continued existence, it's more of a precursor to anything else, otherwise every action you take is meaningless
I just question what fulfillment actually is. A sense of fulfilment and the narrative attached to it could be as non existent as the self (in the sense that there is a single operator in the brain) fulfillment could be characterized as a lack of yearning or a lack of desire but also absent of depression. Perhaps this state could be triggered with stimulating oxytocin, basically just post nut clarity forever.
There's actually an interesting anecdote about similar studies with rats where it showed that if they were left in isolation most chose to abuse the pleasure button. But when they were placed in a larger community where they were able to live like the social creatures they are, many stopped using the button out of their own free will. And the few who didn't were helped by others to beat the addiction and basically rehabilitate. And they would just live normal happy rat lives with other rats in their little rat utopia. This shows us that we don't need a magic pleasure machine, we need other people. And that's the real problem here. The world as it is build gives us two choices that it accomodates for, loneliness in suffering, or loneliness in manufactured joy. But the real problem isn't which one to choose. It's that there aren't more choices available to us. But the world is not so set in stone that nothing ever changes. We can create new choices. It is difficult, it is time consuming, it may take our entire life or even more than that. But a better world has to be made, because that is our responsibility as the humanity of the present for the humanity that will follow after us.
You're wrong about the rat experiment. The first time they did it, they only have them a button to press, the second time, they built "rat park' and the rats chose society over ODing.
I live like this for a few weeks or months sometimes. I'm not rich but I have the resources to do it but I always get bored after a while. Then I go back into the real world and there is simply nothing like the thrill of being with real people. You forgot to define pleasure in your video, what is it? Are you sure that it is what you think it is? I did myself a pretty serious injury some years back and it knocked me out of the game for more than a year with most of that time spent alone in my apartment not allowed to go outside or have visitors (Covid). I read a lot of books including Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Now" and it really opened my eyes. I have never fully recovered from my injuries but I can walk a good few miles in a day (with plenty of rests along the way) and when I was hurt I couldn't manage a block without feeling like I was going to collapse. I look back on that terrible injury as one of the best things that ever happened to me and I've lived the happiest years of my life since then.
Problem with what you were saying: the rats that were isolated were addicted to the button. The rats that were allowed to socialize didn't abuse the button.
This video is a year old so I wonder how you feel about it now. For me, watching this seems kind of doomerist. I think a lot of the concerns laid out have more to do with addiction- and we are addicted to the internet. But the line at the end about not being able to choose what happiness looks like points to my issue with this perspective. I think there are people right now who are living content and connected, despite how expensive things are and how little we all go out. I definitely think the world could be better. I also think obsessing over becoming unreversable tech zombies is a self fulfilling prophecy. But I guess, if anyone is worried about becoming a neet then I recommend going outside yourself intentionally and not worrying about what other people are doing. If anything, maybe invite them to go on a hike or to a 3rd space without pressure or judgement. Be the change you want to see and all that. Your world doesn’t have to end if you won’t let it. At least that’s what I think.
Agreed, we can fight against this. What will history books say about the 2020s - 30s? Doubtless it will mention the rise in isolation, the collective realization that the internet has outlasted much of its usefulness and we're on a very dark path if we continue to rely on it - it's common knowledge at this point! Every generation has faced seemingly 'unprecedented' struggle and every generation has adapted and tried to overcome it in some way. I'm gen Z, and to think that this gen is somehow different is laughable. Going outside is still free (for now lol). If 3rd spaces become too expensive personally I will not go goblin mode I've had enough of that, I will message my friends and ask them if they want to rot in bed or do some free activity outside and they can make that choice. The bright side to being able to catapult a social trend into the mainstream as fast as its conceived is that I think people will eventually get FED UP of goblin mode and make new 'trends'. People crave novelty and we can recognize that living in filth sucks, we aren't rats. (I had fun thinking of a few silly ones lol): - treemaxxing, spending as much time as you can in nature. - Pickleboy/ Picklegurl - pickleball spreads to the younger generation as an ironic trend, but they get into it, and proudly call themselves this - Rogers Male, like Sigma male but embodies kindness, reflection, and compassion like Mr. Rogers, being a beacon for others, instead of blaming other people for loneliness - awktrauma - a nebulous term for the awkward collective trauma lingering in the post-Covid era that is hard to talk about because it seems the world has moved on. Ex: "Have you noticed that it's harder to connect with people nowadays?" "Yep, it's hard. It's probably a lot of things, all that awktrauma." - LeetNeet - someone not in education, employment, or training BUT is fulfilled despite this. They may be taking advantage of their free time to volunteer and care for their family and friends. They might play video games too, but only as much as they want to, not to, well, dull the pain of living. LeetNeets are your 1 unemployed friend enjoying life and has confidence in themself despite their situation, and due to all this support can eventually get out of neetdom. LeetNeets support and reach out to Neets in solidarity and recognize their struggles.
we are in an era of unlimited information but with limitaded resources, post scarcity society would be a full realization of that, but we aren't quite there yet, so this clash begin
There was a time when I thought that people would just need a relatively short but variable period of this kind of life until they finally realised that it doesn't work, and then get on with doing something meaningful. Now I have my doubts; there seems to be a growing niche that's tending towards lifers. In any case, we have a moral obligation to improve ourselves and respect ourselves, and this will amplify to others and our environments....
My take on this is that the system we built is just not really set up to give most people fulfilling lives. We are super isolated from each other, and spend most of our time working harder than we want, at a job we don't like, that doesn't seem to really help anyone. So our work isn't meaningful, our relationships are nonexistent, at that point hedonism is really the only thing that's left. I think if we reorient our way of living so that we work to make things better instead of just making profit, and we start being a community again, all of us would be much happier.
We have to fix our housing affordability and income inequality issues in our country.. that would lead to more community. People literally can't OFFORD to have a social life due to living expenses.. :/
Yes, true. It's something I noted with art and entertainment, like good art is supposed to lead to a good life or good art is supposed to make one reflects on his life or take action in his life because the artist managed to put in such powerful ideas. Yet while we all agree we are able tu consume some great pieces of media it's quite surprising to find out that after watching a radical movie challenging my views on the world and telling truth I couldn't fathom... I'm only left wanting to check out other medias that make me feel the same. I remember philosophy class you begin with Plato, the cavern and his take on art as mimesis where he rants that as an imitation of life it only distract one from the world. We're very dismissive of this take while others like Pascal had it and a lot of us just... Feel it. We just can't deny ourselves the pleasure, it is actually intoxicating.
you are the architech of your own destiny, knowing that a pleasure button will eventually cause your brain to adapt to the new stimuli, ill take a constant life of highs and deep lows than a life of constant highs, meaning comes from the change in ones state, not a constant high, it comes from the challenge, you can't fake that, and ill be sure ill choose actual challenges that resonate with the design and nature of the universe than a man made button
Underrated comment. I think that this is why modern times are so damaging for some people because it's taking away the natural structure of life. instead of challenges, self development and helping your neighbor it's just chasing that high.
We are primates, but we are special because people like you can reflect in a deep way and strategize. More people can do that in a culture that would value education more as a central thing.
It really does feel like we’re too far off from some sort of society where humans need to do zero work in order for humanity to continue to survive. It’s not implausible to think we might have robot farmers and workers and automated systems that do all of the necessary work for us. I don’t know whether I should be excited for it or fear for it.
Exactly right? I think that future is inevitable. The problem with infinite growth is that trying to slow things down is almost impossible, once one company or industry goes mostly robotic, it’s sets a precedent that can’t really be reversed without causing economic damage and stroking fear of slowing growth. It’s nice to think that morals and ethics would get in the way of this but that hasn’t happened so far.
this is why we as a species are destined to be left obsolete once the automation can better every single thing a human can do. because we will be the things left behind in our entirety yank out while you can, or find meaning if you want, but when you most definitely won’t have a future to exist in, why bother with anything long term? this then only leaves us with animuwaifies and the present now.
Can't wait for full automation tbh, wasting my time doing manual labor and easily replaceable tasks when my time is finite is a fucking bad joke of a nightmare
Suffering produces meaning. Without resistence, we do not evolve. What does not evolve, perishes. What perishes is consumed by the viable that evolved. Biology is such a simplier platform for finding meaning than philosophy.
@@kyberite Meaning produced by you, or meaning as defined by others? Because once you accept another person's definition of what is right and wrong, they have enslaved you. Though it seems most humans prefer the simplicity of being enslaved.
"Meaning produced by you, or meaning as defined by others" Two sides of the same coin. There is a third plane on a coin too, which most people conveniently ignore but is arguably the most important in today's world because it gives the ability to transition from one side to the other and still get a foothold, for whatever reason one might find. Anyway, pretty grandiose of you to speak on behalf of "most humans".
@@kyberite That was an impressive set of words that conveyed absolutely no information. If you don't like my observations on the well researched and documented passive obedience of the human race to authority, feel free to seek an echo chamber more suited to your beliefs. I won't miss you.
I don't know why, it could just be the angle of the camera or stretched feed. But the proportions of this mans head, arms, legs and torso make him look like a tall dwarf in this video.
The fact we even think about this type of stuff makes us special. Among many other things. We aren’t dumb animals…but we are vulnerable creatures like all life unfortunately…
And here i thought goblin mode was just healthily concluding alongside all your friends that you should indulge each other's hobbies and just become an amalgamation of random skills that are only applicable when you decide to run into the woods and live there for a time together while simply enjoying each others company and nature. With the occasional mugging on a trail half naked with jagged blades and dyed green skin. You know, regular stuff.
there is no objective happiness, true happiness comes from an internal balance. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you on something. You have to find whatever meaning gets you out of bed in the morning and helps you sleep at night. Thats the only truth in the world that matters. Go outside, meet some people, feed the homeless, make a garden, smell the flowers, pick up a hobby that isnt masturbation or tik tok or fortnite, youd be surprised how much better you feel about yourself when you actively try to live a healthier more balanced life.
I started watching this like "what is he talking about meme, this is actually reality" then he said "this is 2022" and I almost spit out my drink not having seen the upload date. Shits rough dude
I didn't know goblin mode was a term that was already used by other people. I used the term goblin mode to describe something similar but opposite of what your describing. When I am in Goblin mode I am very productive but the tasks I am doing are bringing me a lot of pleasure. I hyper focus on things and when my hyper focus aligns with completing tasks I turn into a wild goblin that is single mindedly absorbed in a task and ignore the world around me. I will rush past people or tell them I do not have time for interruptions because I am in goblin mode. I call it that because it feels like I am a crazy little goblin scurrying about for trinkets and gold. I think it is funny that both terms have a focus on some kind of pleasurable indulgence. But the way everyone else seems to use it is more about being lazy, while I use it to describe productivity.
A lot of assumptions being made here about what we are. You assume we’re simply evolved apes who are seeking to have our pleasure sensors stimulated. We’re not and it’s these sorts of reductionist viewpoints of reality that lead to so much delusion and misery. Also the dichotomy of either leaning into or resisting “progress” is making the idea of “progress” waayyyy more important than it actually is. The fact of the matter is meaning still exists, and the battle between truth and the constant stimulation of the passions has always existed, regardless of what percentage of the population chooses to pursue each.
4:29 I don’t believe this is as existential as you might think. Remember substances like psilocybin have already existed since forever, yet most people chose not to engage with them, or to just use them occasionally
You got the study with the rats wrong. Peterson explained it in further detail. The addicted rats were deprived of a normal social structure. They did a follow up where they made a normal social colony and the rats stopped getting addicted to the button.
Explains a lot, neets don't go out so they get trapped in the cycle. "Touch grass" is a genuinely good advice, even if it's most often used derogatorily.
I'm in my mid 20's, i was early and often disappointed in life and this is what the last 2 years have looked like for me, in a nutshell. I just had enough and stopped believing into anything and anyone except myself. All i cared for, was the absolute and objective truth about life and existence, i actually found it out and tried to live by it, but it's just not possible. (for me at least) I just really couldn't bring myself to direct my life in any direction whatsoever, because i knew that convictions, in actuality, are total bogus; Simply because it is only based on personal believe and subjective perception. (thus untrue) However... I've reached the conclusion, that this is not how we are, this is not how we could ever truly live. We need to bullshit ourselves to a certain degree, we need meaning, so we can base our convictions on that. Regardless of if it is actually true or not. We are just built like that and no one can ever live a genuinely happy life without some kind of conviction of his own. Be it as simple as you can imagine, it doesn't matter. Convictions are convictions. (Some convictions can still be bad though. Being convinced that all convictions are bad, obviously won't help you.) That's why religions and all similar philosophies are so powerful, if believed. Humans have always been faith-based beings and that has never even changed once. "The faith can move mountains." Is a saying that summarizes this truth very accurately. We are born to believe and this is the first age of man, in which this isn't completely exploited, but undermined. Usually, the authorities would force all individuals in and both ostracize as well as antagonize those who refuse to comply. ...Nowadays they use a much more powerful method by having most people believe into nothing. It can be near impossible to break a strong conviction, but it is child's play if you have people believe into nothing. ...simply because they can either be easily directed or at least don't bother to pose a threat to your ideology as long as they're comfortable enough to consume and ignore. What i've just described, is pretty much all western civilizations in a nutshell. That's also why the left absolutely hate the traditional family, because strong families usually teach strong values. ...Strong convictions. Your average leftie "family" (usually just a deadbeat 304 "mother" and her unwanted children) is the exact opposite. That doesn't give you convictions, that gives you Gen Alpha, Z and X. (Don't get me wrong, the right wing political party isn't made up of saints either. They all strife for power and you can only ever choose the littlest of all evils.) What i'm saying is: Just beacuse convictions aren't actually true, doesn't mean they're wrong. So instead of burying yourself in nihilistic hedonism, you should choose convictions that you genuinely like and find worth living for.
Convictions are similar to coping. Everyone has to find a cope to live and be happy. Make your own convictions and cope with life! The world is your oyster.
But what if what we find pleasurable is different from person to person, and therefore embracing Hedonism is just, at the societal level, a game of musical chairs with none of the chairs ever getting removed?
I mean, i was already like that since i was born, so idk what people are talking about (it was more than 20 years ago), i'm unable to withstand the horror of my death and eternal non-existence so the only thing i can do is constant distraction/entertainment so my mind can relax a little, and i don't want to do anything exactly because of my mortality, there's simply no logical reason to do something if this still brings the same result as if i was doing nothing, in both ways i die, so what the matter if i die earlier or later, what i should do this all for? other half of the reason is that i can't have or get what i want, so what i'm supposed to love about this life and cherish my existence for? nothing, only suffering and misery, despair and hopelessness. We're simply a hostages of our nature, puppets who is forced to care about anything in this life, to do something for the sake of nothing, just because your damn brain sending some neurons or nature gave you some DNA or because it's releasing some hormones and whatever else, everything we do is simply covered by our sentimentality and lack of understanding what actually is causing us to do something or desire something, there's literally no difference between me who distracting myself or escaping from reality by consuming something and people who are doing something, the only difference - they're being paid for this and i'm not, but everyone doing it for the same reasons: 1. competition which is a part of our nature. 2. boredom. 3. coping with reality. 4. our consciousness that tries to find a meaning in anything and unable to accept that there's no meaning, so it forces you to do at least something to make you feel as if you're doing something meaningful in this life.
I think you raise a lot of good points, but as with everything else I think it just depends on what your attitude towards a trend, norm or tendency is and how you deal with it. I'm originally from a third world country where survival with good or so called "meaningful" experiences is already considered success. I've moved into a developed country many years ago, and worked in transnational corporations for many years before that. I can see there are different attitudes and expectations but I've never really been swayed by them because in my simple mind I can't help but being strangely optimistic despite all the doom and gloom. If you compare that with what any other generation went through, they had their share of hell too, and they got through it somehow. The most important thing is realizing which battle(s) can be worth fighting. There's a lot of detractors and noise. I'm posting this at an unsavory time of the day.
I feel like the main distinction between the new standard for happiness that you describe and the old is a degree of permanence and personal actualization. Highs offered by pure dopamine stimulation, if they were constantly sustained, would slowly regress towards a mean of sensory mediocrity as the brain grows less and less sensitive, while all the while the human consciousness and personality would fade as more attention is drawn towards the pleasure. This robbery of humanity is not an ultimately gratifying experience, which is clearly visible to see as depression rates soar ever higher every year in our current uber-age; humans evolved to survive, and in turn to work and build to an end which sustains survival, a model fundamental to the human specimen. "Fulfilled" as a status is difficult to define, but I think a good place to start is to describe a person whose high and low sin wave average at a calm, steady and content place. Goblin mode happiness as you frame it is certainly an apocalyptical, devolutionary trap to be avoided. Maybe I'm missing your thesis though, or attacking the wrong point. I guess I just don't quite like the way you framed it as a natural progression or an acceptable outcome. Assigning some sanctity to the human race is I think appropriate the moment that we notice we exist- its worked for us so far at least.
The idea I’m getting at is if fulfillment even exists in the romantic sense we view it in. So much of what we thought it meant to be human has been undermined in the last 20 years through FMRI (free will, the idea that there’s one true self. Etc). And what does fulfillment look like on a neurological level? What if the state of a Tibetan monks brain could be replicated perfectly by stimulating oxytocin and altering brain waves (like you mentioned). That’s just an imaginary example but I think it represents my ideas here. Although I admit the video lacks a clear thesis and is more just a string of thoughts.
@@artchadYour ahead of most people's bell curve. I also believe most people don't realize the states of mind that could sustain people's happiness lie at.
I think this is a false dichotomy. It is entirely possible to seek both personal fulfillment and basal pleasure at the same time. You don't have to choose between unhealthy pizza and a healthy but tasteless meal shake. You can make a meal that suits both, and you can build a life that suits both without succumbing to corporate hustle culture or to the kind of pleasure seeking that honestly mostly comes from starving off depression due to the circumstances of our system.
Meaning is too expensive for us to have it, sure. But I can tell you right now the only reason that we live this way is because the conditions in which our political structures have deemed fit, IE World Economic Forum's ideas, we will never have a life worth meaning unless we fight for it with force. Life has no meaning without a fight, and that fight creates meaning.
sorry, I'm late. My view of this, is that In a world that can now reward you for not your biological fitness, but your social fitness, we have created an artificial nature that rewards the socially well-adjusted with future progeny that inherit the favorable behaviors, not biology, of their parents or caretakers. The unfortunate that now go "goblin mode" will not infect, they will always be wept for, but not at the expense of those select few that, be it through genetic or environmental means, find meaning in suffering, making room for the pain that will only mentor them for the greater pains created by the labor of a good life, and after depositing their life's value, coming to terms with death. I would not fear this "goblin mode" Fad, I always keep in mind that there are true vocal minorities, and they often do not have the concern of the majority in mind. You mentioned Carl Jung so I had to get my thinking cap out. Great vid, man
There are three problems with the pleasure machine: 1) Is it true fulfillment or just physical pleasure? If it's just hedonistic physical pleasure, you'll want more, so it won't be enough. That said, there's no reason why we couldn't hack our brains to be truly fulfilled and happy. 2) Abandoning everything and just being happy in the machine might be great, but goes against our current values. Example: would you press a button that kills your entire family, parents, friends, children, friends, everything - BUT makes you absolutely and unquestioningly happy and fulfilled forever afterwards. Mathematically and objectively, this is a fantastic deal. However, in order to be so blissful after murdering everyone close to you, you would need to change so much, it wouldn't even be you. This deal essentially proposes to kill you and replace you with a similar, but not identical, copy. The same thing is true if you plug yourself into the machine and become happy without achieving any of your present goals and wants. As you can see, this is a pretty deep philosophical question about identity, and what makes you truly you. 3) After the philosophical, here's something very prosaic. The real world affects you while you're in the machine. If you become perfectly fulfilled without doing anything in the real world, you can end up like the rats who accidentally starve to death. Literally, you might just starve to death if you aren't careful when doing this. For the above reason, I don't think full "goblin-mode" or pleasure machine will ever be really done.
''uga booga scopidy scoop di dup baloop babadop'' Translation: Cool video time to go back to the dark corner to eat beans and watch satisfing videos compilations with subway surfers gameplay and mozzart in my left ear and family guy funiest moments audio ver in my right.
Infinite jest is on the floor holding down your green screen. As good a use as any I guess. Was that purposeful? Was that an Easter egg for people paying attention?
This guy just described zoomers who vape. (Sincerely, a zoomer who smokes)(I literally only do it because the one vape I tried when I was like 15 killed my lungs) (And the smell doesn't bother me because I lived with a three pack a day smoker for 18 years go figure.) I used to smoke in a no smoking apartment and got away with it though and would go on drunken rants because I thought I could hear my neighbor bitching about it and threatening to come down there and kill me though.( Hint: They were not.) So I don't actually think vaping is that trashy unless you're doing it in certain places, like a highschool bathroom. Or work. And in those cases I judge you not for being trashy but for doing it where you will probably be caught eventually (which sounds nuts considering I smoked, but considering I got a notice for a general complaint in the apartment unit and started smoking inside out of spite because I convinced myself it was targeted at me and that I smelled like smoke from smoking in the car, when I moved out, as I convinced they were complaining of the smell when I smoked in my car, and I'd do it again. I later noticed the girl above me outside, smoking, which means the complaint was probably about them. They'd been living there for a lot longer than I had been.)
Good rant, good energy. I'm gonna go yank it to some hentai now
Yes, lean into the future. Don’t cower form japanime tiddies. Embrace them
@@artchad I leaned in too hard, fell off my computer chair and hit my chin on the desk. Life is strife.
@@thekingoffailure9967 accurate with the username
good idea
Do as i say dont do as i do
“You can either resist, or lean into it”
…. Or walk away.
“Reality doesn’t require our participation in order to exist, bullshit does.”
-Terrence Mckenna
Are you saying i should kms?
The quote is truth not reality
It seems like you're drawing a dichotomy between the "hustle culture" perfectionism and "goblin mode" hedonism. Both are two sides of the same coin and both are perfectionist at heart. Hustle culture means not accepting anything less than perfection and "going into goblin mode" means resigning to the fact that you cannot be perfect, instead preferring to do nothing. This self-neglect feeds into your existing feelings of anxiety, and so begins a nasty vicious cycle (think of NEETs or hikikomoris). Perfection is the enemy of good, and you must accept this in order to live a better life.
i understand your point, but ultimately you are using "old" philosophy to describe the "new". I think Moses is saying that even goblin hedonism will cease to exist, as you mentioned they're both the same side of the coin. But in the future normal life could be described as goblin hedonism but, from the understanding of the future normal life, that past "goblin hedonism" will cease to exist, because for example humans will just have a button that makes them happy, that couldn't be considered hustle culture or hedonism but is the new cultural norm. which could be described by people like us as goblin hedonism but it's true meaning to the future is completely different, the paradigm would be completely different, how could hustle culture exist with that button? or hedonism even, because all will do is press that button. To us it seems like hedonism (which can only exist with its counterpart a hustle culture) but to the future it is simply life, and no amount of past philosophy will be able to make sense of the strange new world we're hurling towards.
That's well said.
"and good enough is the enemy of humanity." - Nicholas Cage in Pig
Very well formulated, sir!
way better take than the vid, just live your life, toss out the vices and be a good person, its that simple
Goblin mode isn’t rebellion at all. It’s exactly what corporate interests want you to do if you’re not going to subscribe to hustle culture. It extracts all your attention for ad revenue and all your money for empty pleasures that you’ll have to replace more and more frequently.
I’m not taking either road, but that doesn’t mean I’m not looking forward a future that I can create for myself. Go outside, touch grass, find your physical real community; there’s plenty of people that aren’t taking those paths either.
after you random yt commenter
Completely agree
Having to reach higher and higher levels of empty materialism in order to fulfil the soul only leads to a lack of fulfilment and ultimately purpose. Looks like a God shaped hole can’t be filled by the material world. APTTMH
@@mark-yj5sgLITERALLY. I’ve been around Billionaires and crypto bros the majority are miserable asking for advice on women because they thought having money could substitute character 😂
I did that for 16 hours in 30C yesterday, ima take an evening inside. Rocks count as grass right?
Diogenes was going goblin mode as far back as 400 bc
he discovered goblin mode, so we could learn from it without doing ourselves. what a savior
Asmongold is the Diogenes of the internet
@@hello-rq8kf Proverbially, he sat so that humanity could lay down
@@TheAbortionWhoLived lol
Note that the rat experiment didn't go that way when the rats were given a kind of environment where a rat would be naturally fulfilled without the need for a drug like cocaine.
How many people do you know; who use no drugs, legal, illegal, perscription, or have other non-chemical addictions?
@@nobodynoone2500 I have no idea, I'd guess about 70% use alcohol AT LEAST occasionally. Weed is pretty common too especially in the social circles I hang out with (musicians and queer people).
@@nobodynoone2500me
That's the problem, humans not being allowed to forge the environment to their exact needs is against our nature.
We are held back by practical limitations, property/land laws and other people from building the landscapes that best suit our lives and the lives of others.
We were designed to live in cities, just not the cities being built for us now.
@@necrosteel5013 we were not designed to live in cities lol, we are still animals molded by millions of years of evolution that, back before agriculture forced us into bigger and bigger settlements, your community or village didn't surpass a few dozen members, its the same reason you don't see big packs of other animals, monkey, wolvers, whatever. Once they get big enough conflict is inevitable.
If you want to learn more I do recommend the book Homo deus from this same video, eye opening in terms that we are just monkeys that thanks to some myths (religion and money) we were able to cooperate with people you dont know and create civilization
"Slobbing out an going goblin mode" makes me suicidal. There is way to stop the future and it's through destruction of the present.
I feel like the most “anti” thing you can do now is just be super kind.
yep@@artchad
@@artchadI think learning how to start growing a little bit of food for yourself is another easy but extremely radical step to add
I think AI will ruin the internet constantly trying to gaslight and sell crap to each other until the internet just stops working. Then all the goblins stumble out of their house rubbing their eyes gazing upon the sun as if it’s a new Apple product. Edvard Griegs “Morning” plays. Thank you Sam Altman, you’ve saved us all!
Hahaha. Perfect!
0:57 So going "goblin mode" basically means becoming a NEET.
It’s like 1 step above but pretty much
Omg ive been a goblin moder before it was cool
it's extreme procrastinating
The rat experiment that I believe you may be referring to also had the rat isolated. Johann Hari speaks about this in his Ted talk “Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong.”
When they did the experiment where the rats weren’t isolated, they barely touched the substances.
Yeah, it's a chicken and egg bind, the isolation and abuse comes first long before addiction, goblin mode is an end product, not an instigating cause
For me personally, I went psudo-goblin mode for years. The thing I did that was most beneficial in getting out of it was to quit comparing myself to others and instead compare myself to myself yesterday. It took me from being 17 years old with an anxiety disorder that made it hard to leave my house, to a 27 year old today that has a loving wife, a successful business, a home and in general is pretty content with life. If you try to focus on attaining the things celebrities or billionaires have you're constantly going to be discouraged because there's just too big of a gap between you and them. Sustainable personal growth doesn't start with a rigorous process of "hustling" until you have a Lamborghini or a rental property, it doesn't even start by having better grades then your classmates. It starts by literally cleaning your fucking room, taking pride in yourself and your personal accomplishments no matter how small they are and continuously doing better for yourself and those people you actually care about, each and every day.
Long term, money is nice, it solves a lot of problems, but from someone who's been there. It's not the be all end all and as you get older and more accomplished, the things money can buy that used to bring you joy stop bringing you as much joy. You need to be in tune with yourself in order to truly find the things that are going to give you meaning and fulfillment. For me its been the relationships with my loved ones, pets, planting trees in my backyard, hatching quail with my wife and being able to improve peoples lives through my work. What you want and desire from your life is going to be something different, and its going to be subject to change alongside your tastes.
Very insightful
Beautiful advice man, thank you.
This is 💯% true. I wish I could have internalized this sooner. But even at 31yrs old, it's not to late for me. I've been improving my skills and mental abilities of yet. Hopefully I will be in a good trade in 5 years. I'm doing this for me, and no one else.
7 year olds when they gain unrestricted access to the internet (their entire lives are now going to be ruined):
The embodiment of instant gratification.
instant gratification is the very purpose of life
@@kyberite there is no objective purpose
Of course there is, bring control of the environment to 100% while lowering the environments control on us to 0%@@nicbarth3838
Who would've thought that after getting closer to understanding the human brain.
We just go back to drawing on walls and staring at fire.
Thank you internet for providing us stimulants.
I believe the test rat was alone, which is very interesting to my personal life.
After a rough childhood and military, I am now 25 and have been traveling full-time in an RV for 4 years
As great as it has been to see Western America, I've only recently gotten over my weed addiction and am still being carried by my phone addiction that makes exercise, meditation, cleanliness, & preparing meals my biggest obstacle and goal
Surrounded by a new swath of deep nature all the time, and I struggle to get away from my screen or numb self with weed
It is because of this that I've been highly considering changing my lifestyle so that I may more often meet Like-Binded community, especially my age which is a huge Rarity in my nomad lifestyle
mostly accurate. Nietzsche foresaw this Last Man as one might conclude.
I have 5 screens playing this video at different speeds at the same time, your voice soothes me while something grows inside my pants. A 0.3kg hernia, I be lifting weights every second, no pain no gain, n drinking power shakes that are keeping me on the toilet for too long n giving me hemorrhoids, also listening to 2 audiobooks rite now, one about climate change, the other about the CEO mindset. I'm working 2 jobs, i live alone but have many friends who talk to me everyday, they play videogames and make jokes, but they almost never answer back to me though.
Good vid :)
The climate change/CEO mindset dichotomy will bear you many fruit.
-Confucius
Two major flaws in your theory here:
1. Just cuz you met someone on Tinder doesn't mean they'll make you any less lonely.
2. With anything that is stimulating, tolerance always builds up and will result in complete numbness if you just keep engaging in it.
"stone age primates with god-like technology" lol great video man
"We're just a primate species, we're not special" is one of the most important lies everyone believes.
The difference in ability between a monkey and a dolphin is like, one can swim and the other can climb trees. The difference between me and a monkey is that I can literally build a fucking car. Like bruh. Its not the same and we all know it deep down, all that "we're just animals" stuff is intellectualized cope. Obviously we are built to do more. So do more. Its hella fun
He, and no one else, is denying that humans are much smarter than animals. It's just that we are driven by the same impulses and drives as a monkey, and we are about as fit for this world as a chimp is an airline pilot.
@@personhuman7778 that doesnt make any sense bra, by that logic we are much more fit for the world than a chimp is an airline pilot since we are "driven by animal impulses". This is my problem with this type of shit is there is zero substance to it, just flowery sensational sentences that are excuses to underachieve and do lame shit. Shut up and go make something cool
@@personhuman7778 that doesnt makes sense bra if we are driven by the "same impulses and drives as a monkey" then we are much more fit for this world than a chimp is an airline pilot lmfao
@@personhuman7778 if we were driven by the same impulses and drives as a monkey then monkeys would paint the mona lisa broe
@@personhuman7778 stop trying to logically support the idea of using a high powered machine to do nothing but consume, and just be honest about the fact that you are choosing to underachieve and be lame on purpose. And then, slowly realize how much more fun it is to build cool shit than just eat cheetos and fart. I wish you and anyone reading the best
A future where we're so addicted to entertainment that we can't physically fulfill our basic needs, interestingly enough that's basically the plot of Infinite Jest.
imo the vibe I get is that longer-term happiness is leans roughly towards the fulfillment of meaning, while shorter-term leans more towards pleasure. We are substituting meaning for this type power you talk about in the video, which feels like a shallow type of pleasure on its own. When you get down to it ultimately they're both just different flavours of experience, both simulated by stimulating our neurotransmitters in different ways. I do think that because meaning gives people drive and drive is not only important but necessary for continued existence, it's more of a precursor to anything else, otherwise every action you take is meaningless
I just question what fulfillment actually is. A sense of fulfilment and the narrative attached to it could be as non existent as the self (in the sense that there is a single operator in the brain)
fulfillment could be characterized as a lack of yearning or a lack of desire but also absent of depression. Perhaps this state could be triggered with stimulating oxytocin, basically just post nut clarity forever.
@@artchad yeah that’s how I interpreted your video. It’s scary to think something like that could be possible. Like Sword art online or something.
So like hikikomoris in Japan for the last 20 years
Had exactly the same thought
There's actually an interesting anecdote about similar studies with rats where it showed that if they were left in isolation most chose to abuse the pleasure button. But when they were placed in a larger community where they were able to live like the social creatures they are, many stopped using the button out of their own free will. And the few who didn't were helped by others to beat the addiction and basically rehabilitate. And they would just live normal happy rat lives with other rats in their little rat utopia.
This shows us that we don't need a magic pleasure machine, we need other people. And that's the real problem here. The world as it is build gives us two choices that it accomodates for, loneliness in suffering, or loneliness in manufactured joy.
But the real problem isn't which one to choose. It's that there aren't more choices available to us. But the world is not so set in stone that nothing ever changes. We can create new choices. It is difficult, it is time consuming, it may take our entire life or even more than that. But a better world has to be made, because that is our responsibility as the humanity of the present for the humanity that will follow after us.
I got was that I don’t need other people, I need rats.
You're wrong about the rat experiment. The first time they did it, they only have them a button to press, the second time, they built "rat park' and the rats chose society over ODing.
I live like this for a few weeks or months sometimes. I'm not rich but I have the resources to do it but I always get bored after a while. Then I go back into the real world and there is simply nothing like the thrill of being with real people. You forgot to define pleasure in your video, what is it? Are you sure that it is what you think it is? I did myself a pretty serious injury some years back and it knocked me out of the game for more than a year with most of that time spent alone in my apartment not allowed to go outside or have visitors (Covid). I read a lot of books including Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Now" and it really opened my eyes. I have never fully recovered from my injuries but I can walk a good few miles in a day (with plenty of rests along the way) and when I was hurt I couldn't manage a block without feeling like I was going to collapse. I look back on that terrible injury as one of the best things that ever happened to me and I've lived the happiest years of my life since then.
Large percentage go into goblin mode, small percentage of perfectionists get boosted with cybernetics and bionics. lol
I been in goblin mode all my life lets go baby
Problem with what you were saying: the rats that were isolated were addicted to the button.
The rats that were allowed to socialize didn't abuse the button.
You shouldn't use rat logic to navigate human society though.
The legalization of weed makes going goblin mode so easy
"You’re little brother is "going goblin mode", what does that mean?"
"Run."
This video is a year old so I wonder how you feel about it now.
For me, watching this seems kind of doomerist. I think a lot of the concerns laid out have more to do with addiction- and we are addicted to the internet. But the line at the end about not being able to choose what happiness looks like points to my issue with this perspective. I think there are people right now who are living content and connected, despite how expensive things are and how little we all go out. I definitely think the world could be better. I also think obsessing over becoming unreversable tech zombies is a self fulfilling prophecy. But I guess, if anyone is worried about becoming a neet then I recommend going outside yourself intentionally and not worrying about what other people are doing. If anything, maybe invite them to go on a hike or to a 3rd space without pressure or judgement. Be the change you want to see and all that. Your world doesn’t have to end if you won’t let it. At least that’s what I think.
Agreed, we can fight against this. What will history books say about the 2020s - 30s? Doubtless it will mention the rise in isolation, the collective realization that the internet has outlasted much of its usefulness and we're on a very dark path if we continue to rely on it - it's common knowledge at this point! Every generation has faced seemingly 'unprecedented' struggle and every generation has adapted and tried to overcome it in some way. I'm gen Z, and to think that this gen is somehow different is laughable. Going outside is still free (for now lol). If 3rd spaces become too expensive personally I will not go goblin mode I've had enough of that, I will message my friends and ask them if they want to rot in bed or do some free activity outside and they can make that choice. The bright side to being able to catapult a social trend into the mainstream as fast as its conceived is that I think people will eventually get FED UP of goblin mode and make new 'trends'. People crave novelty and we can recognize that living in filth sucks, we aren't rats. (I had fun thinking of a few silly ones lol):
- treemaxxing, spending as much time as you can in nature.
- Pickleboy/ Picklegurl - pickleball spreads to the younger generation as an ironic trend, but they get into it, and proudly call themselves this
- Rogers Male, like Sigma male but embodies kindness, reflection, and compassion like Mr. Rogers, being a beacon for others, instead of blaming other people for loneliness
- awktrauma - a nebulous term for the awkward collective trauma lingering in the post-Covid era that is hard to talk about because it seems the world has moved on. Ex: "Have you noticed that it's harder to connect with people nowadays?" "Yep, it's hard. It's probably a lot of things, all that awktrauma."
- LeetNeet - someone not in education, employment, or training BUT is fulfilled despite this. They may be taking advantage of their free time to volunteer and care for their family and friends. They might play video games too, but only as much as they want to, not to, well, dull the pain of living. LeetNeets are your 1 unemployed friend enjoying life and has confidence in themself despite their situation, and due to all this support can eventually get out of neetdom. LeetNeets support and reach out to Neets in solidarity and recognize their struggles.
I’ve been goblin mode for the last 20 years and didn’t even realize it
we are in an era of unlimited information but with limitaded resources, post scarcity society would be a full realization of that, but we aren't quite there yet, so this clash begin
Going goblin mode isn't always a choice. Meaning is expensive.
I'm basically working and saving money so I can retire and afford a goblin mode lifestyle.
Church is free, dude.
@@AdrianJarvis-zk7ld so is going for a bike ride
Meaning is 100% free and available to you at any time
@@AdrianJarvis-zk7ld But meaning should be something real and good not another false distraction.
Time to grow our own food, guys.
Why would I do that when I can go full Barbarian Dwarf mode?
There was a time when I thought that people would just need a relatively short but variable period of this kind of life until they finally realised that it doesn't work, and then get on with doing something meaningful. Now I have my doubts; there seems to be a growing niche that's tending towards lifers. In any case, we have a moral obligation to improve ourselves and respect ourselves, and this will amplify to others and our environments....
My take on this is that the system we built is just not really set up to give most people fulfilling lives. We are super isolated from each other, and spend most of our time working harder than we want, at a job we don't like, that doesn't seem to really help anyone. So our work isn't meaningful, our relationships are nonexistent, at that point hedonism is really the only thing that's left.
I think if we reorient our way of living so that we work to make things better instead of just making profit, and we start being a community again, all of us would be much happier.
We have to fix our housing affordability and income inequality issues in our country.. that would lead to more community. People literally can't OFFORD to have a social life due to living expenses.. :/
Step 1: abolish the monetary system and have no money so there’s nothing to be profited off of. Welcome to late stage capitalism.
We didn't build this system.
@@brokenhanz-o4mYou have a lot to learn kid, the fascists were defeated nearly a century ago.
Dag y'all. You never make me regret subscribing. I love how passionately activated you are. Reminds me of me when I get going. :) Long live the Chad.
Yes, true. It's something I noted with art and entertainment, like good art is supposed to lead to a good life or good art is supposed to make one reflects on his life or take action in his life because the artist managed to put in such powerful ideas. Yet while we all agree we are able tu consume some great pieces of media it's quite surprising to find out that after watching a radical movie challenging my views on the world and telling truth I couldn't fathom... I'm only left wanting to check out other medias that make me feel the same.
I remember philosophy class you begin with Plato, the cavern and his take on art as mimesis where he rants that as an imitation of life it only distract one from the world. We're very dismissive of this take while others like Pascal had it and a lot of us just... Feel it. We just can't deny ourselves the pleasure, it is actually intoxicating.
I hand paint comics for fun and this is, currently, my favorite UA-cam channel.
I think you’re presupposing that happiness is the ultimate goal.
yeah. This guys clearly has not gotten his presuppositions checked. He is also presupposing metaphysical naturalism and physicalism.
The realest thing I've heard all year! Especially since we're all in loops and seems like this slow apocalypse is bringing us closer to who knows w
wow I love your insights and self awareness, great discovery
Im no perfectionist, but mfw i dont even have the luxury of going goblin mode because I rent in Canada FUCC
you are the architech of your own destiny, knowing that a pleasure button will eventually cause your brain to adapt to the new stimuli, ill take a constant life of highs and deep lows than a life of constant highs, meaning comes from the change in ones state, not a constant high, it comes from the challenge, you can't fake that, and ill be sure ill choose actual challenges that resonate with the design and nature of the universe than a man made button
Underrated comment. I think that this is why modern times are so damaging for some people because it's taking away the natural structure of life. instead of challenges, self development and helping your neighbor it's just chasing that high.
We are primates, but we are special because people like you can reflect in a deep way and strategize.
More people can do that in a culture that would value education more as a central thing.
Evolution isn't real...
It really does feel like we’re too far off from some sort of society where humans need to do zero work in order for humanity to continue to survive. It’s not implausible to think we might have robot farmers and workers and automated systems that do all of the necessary work for us. I don’t know whether I should be excited for it or fear for it.
Exactly right? I think that future is inevitable. The problem with infinite growth is that trying to slow things down is almost impossible, once one company or industry goes mostly robotic, it’s sets a precedent that can’t really be reversed without causing economic damage and stroking fear of slowing growth. It’s nice to think that morals and ethics would get in the way of this but that hasn’t happened so far.
this is why we as a species are destined to be left obsolete once the automation can better every single thing a human can do. because we will be the things left behind in our entirety
yank out while you can, or find meaning if you want, but when you most definitely won’t have a future to exist in, why bother with anything long term?
this then only leaves us with animuwaifies and the present now.
Pov its 2024 and robots and ai are getting reidiculously good. This is coming in this decade.
Can't wait for full automation tbh, wasting my time doing manual labor and easily replaceable tasks when my time is finite is a fucking bad joke of a nightmare
Suffering produces meaning. Without resistence, we do not evolve. What does not evolve, perishes. What perishes is consumed by the viable that evolved.
Biology is such a simplier platform for finding meaning than philosophy.
Agreed. We need to be exposed to monsters in order to wield their strength to transcend.
Lots of things produce meaning if you allow yourself to look past the blindfold of your coping mechanisms
@@kyberite Meaning produced by you, or meaning as defined by others? Because once you accept another person's definition of what is right and wrong, they have enslaved you.
Though it seems most humans prefer the simplicity of being enslaved.
"Meaning produced by you, or meaning as defined by others" Two sides of the same coin.
There is a third plane on a coin too, which most people conveniently ignore but is arguably the most important in today's world because it gives the ability to transition from one side to the other and still get a foothold, for whatever reason one might find.
Anyway, pretty grandiose of you to speak on behalf of "most humans".
@@kyberite That was an impressive set of words that conveyed absolutely no information.
If you don't like my observations on the well researched and documented passive obedience of the human race to authority, feel free to seek an echo chamber more suited to your beliefs. I won't miss you.
I now know I’ve just been going goblin mode for the past 6 years of my life. Nothing quite like that “nothing to look forward too” generation.
I don't know why, it could just be the angle of the camera or stretched feed. But the proportions of this mans head, arms, legs and torso make him look like a tall dwarf in this video.
The fact we even think about this type of stuff makes us special. Among many other things. We aren’t dumb animals…but we are vulnerable creatures like all life unfortunately…
And here i thought goblin mode was just healthily concluding alongside all your friends that you should indulge each other's hobbies and just become an amalgamation of random skills that are only applicable when you decide to run into the woods and live there for a time together while simply enjoying each others company and nature. With the occasional mugging on a trail half naked with jagged blades and dyed green skin. You know, regular stuff.
This is the most important UA-cam Video ever created. If they give out Pulitzers for UA-cam content this should win the first one.
Damn. I been full on goblin mode for a minute. I hate playing as the green skins though.
First time long he channel….Unexpectedly insightful, nice analysis, bravo
there is no objective happiness, true happiness comes from an internal balance. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you on something. You have to find whatever meaning gets you out of bed in the morning and helps you sleep at night. Thats the only truth in the world that matters. Go outside, meet some people, feed the homeless, make a garden, smell the flowers, pick up a hobby that isnt masturbation or tik tok or fortnite, youd be surprised how much better you feel about yourself when you actively try to live a healthier more balanced life.
I started watching this like "what is he talking about meme, this is actually reality" then he said "this is 2022" and I almost spit out my drink not having seen the upload date. Shits rough dude
Welp, time to Goblinmaxx my brothers
I didn't know goblin mode was a term that was already used by other people. I used the term goblin mode to describe something similar but opposite of what your describing. When I am in Goblin mode I am very productive but the tasks I am doing are bringing me a lot of pleasure. I hyper focus on things and when my hyper focus aligns with completing tasks I turn into a wild goblin that is single mindedly absorbed in a task and ignore the world around me. I will rush past people or tell them I do not have time for interruptions because I am in goblin mode. I call it that because it feels like I am a crazy little goblin scurrying about for trinkets and gold. I think it is funny that both terms have a focus on some kind of pleasurable indulgence. But the way everyone else seems to use it is more about being lazy, while I use it to describe productivity.
The flaw with this is argument is that pleasure is not the same as happiness
A lot of assumptions being made here about what we are. You assume we’re simply evolved apes who are seeking to have our pleasure sensors stimulated. We’re not and it’s these sorts of reductionist viewpoints of reality that lead to so much delusion and misery.
Also the dichotomy of either leaning into or resisting “progress” is making the idea of “progress” waayyyy more important than it actually is.
The fact of the matter is meaning still exists, and the battle between truth and the constant stimulation of the passions has always existed, regardless of what percentage of the population chooses to pursue each.
4:29 I don’t believe this is as existential as you might think. Remember substances like psilocybin have already existed since forever, yet most people chose not to engage with them, or to just use them occasionally
You got the study with the rats wrong. Peterson explained it in further detail. The addicted rats were deprived of a normal social structure. They did a follow up where they made a normal social colony and the rats stopped getting addicted to the button.
Explains a lot, neets don't go out so they get trapped in the cycle. "Touch grass" is a genuinely good advice, even if it's most often used derogatorily.
I'm in my mid 20's, i was early and often disappointed in life and this is what the last 2 years have looked like for me, in a nutshell.
I just had enough and stopped believing into anything and anyone except myself.
All i cared for, was the absolute and objective truth about life and existence, i actually found it out and tried to live by it, but it's just not possible. (for me at least)
I just really couldn't bring myself to direct my life in any direction whatsoever, because i knew that convictions, in actuality, are total bogus;
Simply because it is only based on personal believe and subjective perception. (thus untrue)
However...
I've reached the conclusion, that this is not how we are, this is not how we could ever truly live.
We need to bullshit ourselves to a certain degree, we need meaning, so we can base our convictions on that.
Regardless of if it is actually true or not.
We are just built like that and no one can ever live a genuinely happy life without some kind of conviction of his own.
Be it as simple as you can imagine, it doesn't matter.
Convictions are convictions.
(Some convictions can still be bad though. Being convinced that all convictions are bad, obviously won't help you.)
That's why religions and all similar philosophies are so powerful, if believed.
Humans have always been faith-based beings and that has never even changed once.
"The faith can move mountains."
Is a saying that summarizes this truth very accurately.
We are born to believe and this is the first age of man, in which this isn't completely exploited, but undermined.
Usually, the authorities would force all individuals in and both ostracize as well as antagonize those who refuse to comply.
...Nowadays they use a much more powerful method by having most people believe into nothing.
It can be near impossible to break a strong conviction, but it is child's play if you have people believe into nothing.
...simply because they can either be easily directed or at least don't bother to pose a threat to your ideology as long as they're comfortable enough to consume and ignore.
What i've just described, is pretty much all western civilizations in a nutshell.
That's also why the left absolutely hate the traditional family, because strong families usually teach strong values.
...Strong convictions.
Your average leftie "family" (usually just a deadbeat 304 "mother" and her unwanted children) is the exact opposite.
That doesn't give you convictions, that gives you Gen Alpha, Z and X.
(Don't get me wrong, the right wing political party isn't made up of saints either. They all strife for power and you can only ever choose the littlest of all evils.)
What i'm saying is:
Just beacuse convictions aren't actually true, doesn't mean they're wrong.
So instead of burying yourself in nihilistic hedonism, you should choose convictions that you genuinely like and find worth living for.
Convictions are similar to coping. Everyone has to find a cope to live and be happy. Make your own convictions and cope with life! The world is your oyster.
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Exactly. Everyone of name and reputation has some sort of conviction. Be it all so retarded, it still worked.
banger video, funny and a good introspection, keep up the good work!
This was a darn good video I'm sticking around for the Come up
But what if what we find pleasurable is different from person to person, and therefore embracing Hedonism is just, at the societal level, a game of musical chairs with none of the chairs ever getting removed?
I mean, i was already like that since i was born, so idk what people are talking about (it was more than 20 years ago), i'm unable to withstand the horror of my death and eternal non-existence so the only thing i can do is constant distraction/entertainment so my mind can relax a little, and i don't want to do anything exactly because of my mortality, there's simply no logical reason to do something if this still brings the same result as if i was doing nothing, in both ways i die, so what the matter if i die earlier or later, what i should do this all for? other half of the reason is that i can't have or get what i want, so what i'm supposed to love about this life and cherish my existence for? nothing, only suffering and misery, despair and hopelessness. We're simply a hostages of our nature, puppets who is forced to care about anything in this life, to do something for the sake of nothing, just because your damn brain sending some neurons or nature gave you some DNA or because it's releasing some hormones and whatever else, everything we do is simply covered by our sentimentality and lack of understanding what actually is causing us to do something or desire something, there's literally no difference between me who distracting myself or escaping from reality by consuming something and people who are doing something, the only difference - they're being paid for this and i'm not, but everyone doing it for the same reasons: 1. competition which is a part of our nature. 2. boredom. 3. coping with reality. 4. our consciousness that tries to find a meaning in anything and unable to accept that there's no meaning, so it forces you to do at least something to make you feel as if you're doing something meaningful in this life.
The little man in a suit makes chuckle every time he gets upset
spider head is a movie that explores the concept of goblin mode
I think you raise a lot of good points, but as with everything else I think it just depends on what your attitude towards a trend, norm or tendency is and how you deal with it. I'm originally from a third world country where survival with good or so called "meaningful" experiences is already considered success. I've moved into a developed country many years ago, and worked in transnational corporations for many years before that. I can see there are different attitudes and expectations but I've never really been swayed by them because in my simple mind I can't help but being strangely optimistic despite all the doom and gloom. If you compare that with what any other generation went through, they had their share of hell too, and they got through it somehow. The most important thing is realizing which battle(s) can be worth fighting. There's a lot of detractors and noise. I'm posting this at an unsavory time of the day.
I couldn't place your accent for the entire video. 10/10
This is the plot for brave new world , so artchad if this still roams in your mind I'd suggest you to cheack ghe book out
What an aweful question: Why search for meaning and fulfillment if you can have it at the press of a button?
I feel like the main distinction between the new standard for happiness that you describe and the old is a degree of permanence and personal actualization. Highs offered by pure dopamine stimulation, if they were constantly sustained, would slowly regress towards a mean of sensory mediocrity as the brain grows less and less sensitive, while all the while the human consciousness and personality would fade as more attention is drawn towards the pleasure. This robbery of humanity is not an ultimately gratifying experience, which is clearly visible to see as depression rates soar ever higher every year in our current uber-age; humans evolved to survive, and in turn to work and build to an end which sustains survival, a model fundamental to the human specimen. "Fulfilled" as a status is difficult to define, but I think a good place to start is to describe a person whose high and low sin wave average at a calm, steady and content place. Goblin mode happiness as you frame it is certainly an apocalyptical, devolutionary trap to be avoided.
Maybe I'm missing your thesis though, or attacking the wrong point. I guess I just don't quite like the way you framed it as a natural progression or an acceptable outcome. Assigning some sanctity to the human race is I think appropriate the moment that we notice we exist- its worked for us so far at least.
The idea I’m getting at is if fulfillment even exists in the romantic sense we view it in. So much of what we thought it meant to be human has been undermined in the last 20 years through FMRI (free will, the idea that there’s one true self. Etc). And what does fulfillment look like on a neurological level? What if the state of a Tibetan monks brain could be replicated perfectly by stimulating oxytocin and altering brain waves (like you mentioned). That’s just an imaginary example but I think it represents my ideas here. Although I admit the video lacks a clear thesis and is more just a string of thoughts.
The key to the hypothetical tibetan monk‘s state of mind is not his brain.
@@annaliebdubino Is it a steady body or something more metaphysical?
@@artchadYour ahead of most people's bell curve. I also believe most people don't realize the states of mind that could sustain people's happiness lie at.
In China, it's called, "going flat".
I think this is a false dichotomy. It is entirely possible to seek both personal fulfillment and basal pleasure at the same time. You don't have to choose between unhealthy pizza and a healthy but tasteless meal shake. You can make a meal that suits both, and you can build a life that suits both without succumbing to corporate hustle culture or to the kind of pleasure seeking that honestly mostly comes from starving off depression due to the circumstances of our system.
Had a little of that goblin mode life style myself recently. Not good!
It’s ironically fun but quickly becomes existential.
ive been in goblin mode since i was 13, im old enough to get a drink now
Gooning is one of the rabbit holes of going goblin mode
Meaning is too expensive for us to have it, sure.
But I can tell you right now the only reason that we live this way is because the conditions in which our political structures have deemed fit, IE World Economic Forum's ideas, we will never have a life worth meaning unless we fight for it with force. Life has no meaning without a fight, and that fight creates meaning.
Great video, man. I like the way you think.
great vid man
Furthest point is Aghori babas religious belief. As William Blake put it "wisdom through excess."
sorry, I'm late. My view of this, is that In a world that can now reward you for not your biological fitness, but your social fitness, we have created an artificial nature that rewards the socially well-adjusted with future progeny that inherit the favorable behaviors, not biology, of their parents or caretakers. The unfortunate that now go "goblin mode" will not infect, they will always be wept for, but not at the expense of those select few that, be it through genetic or environmental means, find meaning in suffering, making room for the pain that will only mentor them for the greater pains created by the labor of a good life, and after depositing their life's value, coming to terms with death. I would not fear this "goblin mode" Fad, I always keep in mind that there are true vocal minorities, and they often do not have the concern of the majority in mind. You mentioned Carl Jung so I had to get my thinking cap out. Great vid, man
Problem is you think you know what “pleasure” is
There are three problems with the pleasure machine:
1) Is it true fulfillment or just physical pleasure? If it's just hedonistic physical pleasure, you'll want more, so it won't be enough. That said, there's no reason why we couldn't hack our brains to be truly fulfilled and happy.
2) Abandoning everything and just being happy in the machine might be great, but goes against our current values. Example: would you press a button that kills your entire family, parents, friends, children, friends, everything - BUT makes you absolutely and unquestioningly happy and fulfilled forever afterwards. Mathematically and objectively, this is a fantastic deal. However, in order to be so blissful after murdering everyone close to you, you would need to change so much, it wouldn't even be you. This deal essentially proposes to kill you and replace you with a similar, but not identical, copy. The same thing is true if you plug yourself into the machine and become happy without achieving any of your present goals and wants. As you can see, this is a pretty deep philosophical question about identity, and what makes you truly you.
3) After the philosophical, here's something very prosaic. The real world affects you while you're in the machine. If you become perfectly fulfilled without doing anything in the real world, you can end up like the rats who accidentally starve to death. Literally, you might just starve to death if you aren't careful when doing this.
For the above reason, I don't think full "goblin-mode" or pleasure machine will ever be really done.
''uga booga scopidy scoop di dup baloop babadop'' Translation: Cool video time to go back to the dark corner to eat beans and watch satisfing videos compilations with subway surfers gameplay and mozzart in my left ear and family guy funiest moments audio ver in my right.
Infinite jest is on the floor holding down your green screen. As good a use as any I guess. Was that purposeful? Was that an Easter egg for people paying attention?
you made me feel bad about myself again.
This was so fucking good
Holy shit sea salt Moses! They call me tropical Jesus!
"and we are a stone aged primat, with god-like technology" hum. seems like dystopian cyberpunk future will happen after all. probably not so good.
some already have gone goblin mode, however for others it may not be all about self satisfaction and will not reach that state of being 😉
This guy just described zoomers who vape. (Sincerely, a zoomer who smokes)(I literally only do it because the one vape I tried when I was like 15 killed my lungs) (And the smell doesn't bother me because I lived with a three pack a day smoker for 18 years go figure.)
I used to smoke in a no smoking apartment and got away with it though and would go on drunken rants because I thought I could hear my neighbor bitching about it and threatening to come down there and kill me though.( Hint: They were not.) So I don't actually think vaping is that trashy unless you're doing it in certain places, like a highschool bathroom. Or work. And in those cases I judge you not for being trashy but for doing it where you will probably be caught eventually (which sounds nuts considering I smoked, but considering I got a notice for a general complaint in the apartment unit and started smoking inside out of spite because I convinced myself it was targeted at me and that I smelled like smoke from smoking in the car, when I moved out, as I convinced they were complaining of the smell when I smoked in my car, and I'd do it again. I later noticed the girl above me outside, smoking, which means the complaint was probably about them. They'd been living there for a lot longer than I had been.)
choosing between power or meaning...yea that basicaly what im dealing with rn
I think gen z is going to become a bunch of monsters just extremely successful monsters. Gen alpha might go goblin mode in response.
Well said! Subbed