She says Ukraine should not adhere to Minsk because they were done forcibly... first of all, Ukraine was defended by Germany and France and nobody even mentioned that Ukraine is being forced on anything, they all said they are looking for meaningful solution to the crisis, and second, you can always claim that any agreement has been done forcibly and nullify it, not very smart excuses.
From the beginning when i saw aaron mate i knew those poor Ukrainian opposition guests don't stand a Chance he knows the facts he defend his opinion with facts not propaganda I feel sorry for the Ukrainians but if this is the way they all feel and believe about the conflict with Russia then they are doomed
Aaron was great at explaining his points. I still have sympathy toward Ukrainians, but what Aaron says makes sense based on some of the things I've read as well. The escalation of the war could've been avoided, but I feel like right now, it's the Ukrainian people fighting on the grounds that are being used as pawns, both by the hardliners in their own government who had refused to make any kind of concession, and as in the case of Boris Johnson, the Ukrainians are also being used by the west as their cannon fodder in the fight against Russia. This is a great deal for the west. All they have to do is provide material support in the form of money and weapons (which benefits the west's military industrial complex) and they got themselves a voluntary fighting force in the Ukrainians without having to actually put any boots on the ground to fight Russia. The best thing for everyone involved would be to try to seek some kind of peace agreement, because as bad as Putin is, he's not a zealot blinded by hate like some of the leaders we see in Izrael. I think Putin is smart enough to know when to call it quits.
There was an american politicians that once Said "Its better to fight them (Russians) over there then here (USA). I dont remember Who or when, but just Google the quote or something. Also regarding how "Bad" Putin is in relation to Israel look at Who funds the Israelis. I'd say they aint better. They want us to believe Putin kills civilians on purpose. 10k have died in 2 years (and thats by bombings from both sides. And its well documented that UA used Avdiika to bomb Donetsk since 2014). While over 30k have died in almost 5 months in Gaza by Israel.
Putin is very smart, unfortunately the West has broken so many promises and chances for peace that the trust level is at zero. So Putin won't accept a cease fire now based on empty promises.
If you have sympathy for Ukrainians, then you should support Russia. Millions of Ukrainians have moved to live in Russia. There is a totalitarian regime in Ukraine that forces Ukrainians to fight and forbids them to tell the truth. Most Ukrainians support Russia.
If you don't include the moderator, I agree. Al Jazeera is based in Qatar. If I'm not mistaken, the voice of the moderator (I was only listening) was Mark Lamont Hill, who lost his CNN contract after speaking just a tiny bit of truth about the situation in Israel in 2018.
@@ViennaGuy2000 Al Jazeera English is worse than other iterations of Al Jazeera in other languages from my experience.. in general AJ kind of suck, but they are useful on Palestine.. they are a giant corporation with their own biases.. but when compared to western corporate media they look good in contrast.. like you said, they are in Qatar and their corporate interests don't all necessarily align with the narratives of U.S., UK, Germany corporate media.. but they actually do fall in line with other fake western narratives many of which pertaining to Russia and China.. and the reason for that is that Qatars own history is one that is intertwined with the British East India company and the House of Saud.. many of the Gulf states are not organic civilization-states like Persia/Iran or Ottoman/Turkey or other historical civilizations of the Middle East.. modern countries like Saudi Arabia, Israel, Kuwait are fake civilizations for all intents and purposes and their borders were carved out by outside forces and turned into nation-states for colonial considerations.. It's not an accident the poorest places in the world are balkanized into tiny little nation-states at war with each other, it goes back to the British divide and conquer tact.. and those "countries" have been ruled by western puppet monarchs to control resources for centuries. The middle east is populated with people who have governments that don't represent their interests.
Aaron probably didn't want to open this bag of worms, but it's almost certain that the protesters gunned down during Maidan were killed by snipers who were part of the fascist groups behind the coup. Ivan Katchanovski has a really great, peer-reviewed paper on this, laying out what seems to be very strong evidence. If you search for 'Ivan Katchanovski maidan sniper', you can find a copy of it. As to the rest of the interview, yet another example of Hoo-Rah-Ukraine types being quite deranged. Announcing that Russia is going to march on Berlin a second time is way out in crank territory, and should have been laughed at. Absurd.
Ivan Katchanovsky's body of work is impressive. Now that's a true Ukrainian political scientist media should regard. That's why Ukrainian and Western propaganda has been trying desperately to cancel him.
A similar sniper attack were done in Venezuela during the 2002 coup-attempt also backed/orchestrated by Washington. They tried to frame it on the sitting president too, but the evidence pointed to the right-wing coup plotters. Color revolution, so obvious.
No, russians do not go to Berlin. But they want to make the path from Moscow to Kaliningrad through Lithuania and Poland; they want to take Moldova; they want to take the part of Estonia... way not?
@@kusotarre what do You know about the Suwalki gap? I'm from Lithuania with ukrainian roots, but grew up in the russian culture, graduated russian school. I think I know the political issues of the post-sovet region better than that Aaron.
Why do I trust the observers account (Aron mate) over the opinion of a politician with invested interests/agendas (eg. A Parliament member) 😅😅😅🤷♀️🤷♀️
if agreements made between countries under force or threat of force are not valid, does this mean that agreements made after Germany's surrender in ww1 and ww2 and Japan's surrender in ww2 didnt count?
Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements. Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time.
Another fact against the Ukrainian counter-narrative is that the Minsk accords where no just rectified by the UN but where also held within the Normandy format, i.e. France and Germany were committed in implementing those accords. There's wasn't any pressure from Russia for them to agree to this.
I have lived in a country that tried to ban a language.........NEVER works. The US knows NOTHING about other countries. Before this war in Ukraine I bet most people in the US didn't know where it was!
The only rational, nuanced voice was Aaron Mate. The other 2 guests were sensationalistic and propagandistic, using one-sided, selective or skewed data.
Much agreed. The diplomatic hurdle is those 2 guests represent the stubborn perspective that will result in Ukraine completely destroyed and generations of Ukrainians killed. For what? Their unwillingness to declare neutrality and to not join NATO??? Their unwillingness not to recognize that some Ukrainians may want to ally with Russia??? The US and NATO are exploiting Ukraine's stubborness, not to preserve "democracy", but to degrade the Russian military. (even that is a dubious goal.) But they keep holding the NATO carrot just out of Ukraine's reach.
With the mindset of the Ukrainian politican after 1 more year when the war enter its fourth. Ukraine will have lost even more land, and ppl, and the situation being even worse. It will be harder for aid to get pass US, and EU parlaments. This is a non-sustainable strategy. It is hard to watch.
Aaron acknowledges a Ukraine of plurality. One looking to the east and another to the west the other two guests only see Ukraine as a homogenous nation.
Ukraine's declaration of independence when the USSR disbanded in 1991 stipulated Ukraine's geopolitically neutrality. In 2004, Viktor Yanukovych, who was committed to upholding Ukrainian neutrality, ran for the presidency of Ukraine against Viktor Yushchenko, who favored Ukraine joining NATO. Mr. Yanukovych won the election in the second round of voting, but the U.S. orchestrated an exhaustively documented color revolution known as the Orange Revolution that prevented Mr. Yanukovych from assuming the presidency -- this is in 2004, ten years prior to his being violently overthrow in the U.S.-backed Maidan coup -- and in an illegal third round of voting, Mr. Yushchenko, the pro-NATO candidate, won the presidency. In 2010, Mr. Yanukovych won the presidency of Ukraine a second time. After he assumed office, he succeeded in signing into law a bill he submitted to Ukraine's rada reasserting Ukraine's neutrality as originally declared upon Ukraine's independence from the USSR in 1991.
@@ausername8699I understand many hold this position, but I would suggest setting idealism aside. How likely is it that an eventual negotiated settlement will see a return to 1991 territorial borders, and, if a reasonable observer concludes that it is very unlikely, how many more lives must be sacrificed before more practical negotiation is prioritized?
@ame8699 Mister, why don't you visit, let's say Crimea for yourself, it's quite safe now, and decide for yourself what majority of its population is strongly considering themselves as Russians by blood, by culture, by soul, by language, by conscience and etc. Make your own survey, and I can guarantee you that you'll end up in somewhere 85-90% of people strongly supporting their historical reunification with their lost in 1991 motherland. And then ask that question to yourself, who are you to tell those people, that were deprived of their homeland in 1991, how they should live, behave and raise their children ( don't you know that even the military oath's bound servicemen to Ukraine deployed in Crimea didn't make a single shot during that 2014 spring in Ukraine, fully realizing what was the real mood and feeling of local population towards Russia as their real motherland ) Don't you believe anymore in democratic procedures, or in UN charter that tells you that any people have their right to determine their own future by holding a referendum?
😅😅😅the greatest illusion is to think that the whole world is behind Ukraine, no it's America n Europe behind Ukraine and they're not the whole world madam, put your facts straight
Adding to that, it’s only the governments of America and Europe that are for Ukraine. The majority of citizens are against continuing war and for negotiation leading to peace.
@@patrickowens8768ukraine should give to Russia cities Odesa, Kharkiv, Kyev, after that the negotiation is possible. Are You agree with Putin? Do You think that after that stratagy Putin will not assault Estonia? or make the path to Kaliningrad?
realistically the a lot of countries were pressured into being against russia's war in Ukraine, a lot of countries wanted to remain Neutral or complete abstention . Its a bit ironic now that the majority of the US public are the ones now against supporting Kiev
Which planet is she from? Democratic Ukraine? Whats the opposition? None?.... hmmm. Plus people from EX Ukrainian republics want to be in Ukraine......thats why they seperated in 2014 and got bombed by Ukrainians ever since. Cramia was Ukrainian? since when, it was always Russian, few times in history Turks had it, but not for long. Plus remember that just before 2022 Russian invasion, Ukraiine goverment was deemed as most corrupt goverment in Europe by EU. Maybe thats why EU didn't want to take Ukraine and if they wouldn't sell all the weapons west is giving them, they could stand a litle bit better chance against Russians. Now, war is over, Ukraine is not winning as their propaganda says, they are on the virge of colapse. Its done. Their goverment just wants to get as much cash as they can before they call it quits.
It is irresponsible and untrue to spread misinformation about the situation in Ukraine. The people of Ukraine have the right to determine their own future without interference or false narratives. The conflict in Ukraine is a result of Russian aggression and illegal occupation, not because of any inherent flaws in the Ukrainian government. The Ukrainian government may have had issues with corruption in the past, but that does not justify or excuse Russian aggression and illegal invasion. The focus should be on finding a peaceful resolution to the conflict and supporting the people of Ukraine in their efforts to rebuild and secure their sovereignty.
@@psbarrow Thanks for the backhanded compliment! But hey, we like to think of our UA-cam posts as our own brand of comedy gold mixed with a healthy dose of truth bombs. Who says we can't do both stand-up and educate the masses at the same time? Plus, we'd miss out on all the fun of triggering all those keyboard warriors if we went full-time stand-up! 😉
@@NafoDato LOL, good one, "educate the masses", just like the clowns who educate a circus audience on how to juggle tenpins. Got any more "truth bombs"?
Winning strategy, hmmm... 'Russia's four-month offensive on the destroyed Donetsk town of Avdiivka, in eastern Ukraine, cost more lives than the 10 years of war Moscow waged under the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, new figures suggest. About 17,000 Russian soldiers were killed between October 10, 2023, when Russia launched its assault on the Donetsk city, and February 17, 2024, said Dmytro Lykhovii, spokesperson for Ukraine's Tavria group of forces covering Avdiivka.' Newsweek, Feb 19th.
@MosmMAli Yes, sorry. I meant during the Russia reasent history. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being part of the RUSSIAN Empire (it was the favorite place of the Russian aristocracy vacations). Then, it was part of the Soviet Union within the Russian State. During Nikita Krushev, Crimea was given to Ukraine for administrative reasons (only) in the beginning 1953 (?).
Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity. In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas. If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy. Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements. Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time. Russia's national security was compromised once nato began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining nato was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns. 20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO NATO is not a defensive alliance. Nato illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter). We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster? Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest. Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland. Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens-theirs will hide in the basements”. Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it. Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country. Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. (13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list.) Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list. R.I.P. Gonzalo Lira. "I cannot accept the way my son has died. He was tortured, extorted, incommunicado for 8 months and 11 days and the US Embassy did nothing to help my son. The responsibility of this tragedy is the dictator Zelensky with the concurrence of a senile American President, Joe Biden" - Lira's father There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas. (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence). The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present. Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave. Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) RIP. The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims). The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter. I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion. I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written. Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked and verified.
“We prepared a huge document in Istanbul, Turkey, that was initialed by the head of the Ukrainian delegation. He affixed his signature to some of the provisions, not to all of it. He put his signature and then he himself said: “We were ready to sign it and the war would have been over long ago, eighteen months ago. However, Prime Minister Boris Johnson came, talked us out of it and we missed that chance.” Well, you missed it, you made a mistake, let them get back to that, that is all. Why do we have to bother ourselves and correct somebody else’s mistakes?.” - Vladimir Putin
Disappointing that Aaron could not bring himself to defend Russia's SMO (Special Military Operation), which was was launched not to start a war with Ukraine but to stop the Ukrainian coup government's 8-year war on the ethnic Russian population of the Donbas. Otherwise, he did a good job of countering the imperial propaganda of not only the other two guests but the host as well.
People get tripped up on the "Is vs Ought" dynamic too much in these type of conversations. Talking about the world as it is Vs. talking about the world as we subjectively wished it could be are two entirely different conversations and only one of those conversations is useful and productive in the context of being asked to diagnose how we got here and where we are going... which is what the prompt of this debate is supposed to be.
Ukraine took the NATO Pill and lost. US taxpayers pay this woman's salary now but not for long. Fighting is as old as human civilization, we need to return to the days of those who wage it must actually fight in it.
“Ukrainians are dying Everyday as a nation. We want the war to End as soon as possible. We have No more strength left; neither physical nor mental.” - Olena Oleksandriya, an Elderly Ukrainian resident in the Port City of Odessa
“The fighting is being done by the Ukrainians [more than 500 thousand Ukrainian soldiers lost their precious Lives in a Proxy war Against Russia on Behalf of US, EU, and Nato], they are the people who are being killed. The US and Europe are supplying them weapons.” - Zanny Minton Beddoes, the Economist’s Editor-in-chief
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“When the moment of truth came, who stood by the people of Gaza [the innocent civilians, the helpless, the hopeless, the oppressed, the repressed, the people of Palestine]? It was the Houthis [the poor, the primitives, the backwards in the Eyes of the US Empire and its Western Imperial powers, the people of Yemen]. If genocide is the crime of crimes, as it’s called, then I say: the Houthis are the hero of heroes.” - Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish professor, a Son of a Holocaust survivor
This sweet couple, a completely beaten Western Ukrainian who mumbles her ideological slogans that Western mainstream media have been selling for 10 years, and a Russian liberal living in the USA who has little to do with Russia and who sees the hand of the evil Putin in everything. Compared to them, the magnificent independent journalist Aaron Mate, who operates with facts and clearly presents sober arguments, looks like a guru. The Ukrainian and the Russian pro-Western liberal take advantage of the fact that the Western audience is extremely ignorant and does not know the basic facts about the conflict and is therefore susceptible to the influence of twisted propaganda methods.
“The war in Ukraine is the greatest war of generations in Europe. There will never be Enough ammunition in Ukraine. There will never be Enough people in Ukraine. There will never be Enough weapons in Ukraine. But we keep producing More. But no Matter how Much we produce, we will be dependent on Western Supply. Because no Single country can withstand against Russia in such kind of war of Attrition.” - Oleksandr Kamyshyn, Ukrainian Minister of Strategic Industries
Did you know 80% of Avdeevka voted to join Russian that was not recognized by the Kiev coup govt. Did you know nearly the same thing happened in Mariupol as well as dozens of cities across eastern Ukraine. It was supposed to be put down in. A "two week anti terrorist operation" but turned into the civil war
Putting is completely uninterested by Sweden and Finland joining Nato. Why? Because both Sweden and Finland are of low strategic interest to Russia unlike Ukraine
Marc Lamont Hill is a great pick up for al Jazeera, already making some of the best journalism out there. Having Mate on to let the facts put the two propagandists on the back foot is truly amazing journalism 😂
My country, Canada, just gave Ukraine another 3 billion. Meanwhile, our health system is grossly underfunded and close to failing, and we have homeless camps in most of our major cities.
" Ukraine regained its independence ." ?! Ukraine never existed as sovereign state, how it was possible to regain anything when you never had it before.?
“Aiding Ukraine, Giving money to Ukraine, is the cheapest possible Way for the US to enhance its security [No US soldiers Are needed to be sent to the Russian Bear’s meat-grinder because the Ukrainians are doing the Fighting and Sacrificing their precious Lives on Behalf of the West; US, EU, Nato].” - Zanny Minton Beddoes, the Economist’s Editor-in-chief
That was really good. Very ballanced. Nice job. Ukraine needs to be careful that they don't drag out the war long enough for Western pledged reconstruction funds to be forgotten.
Thanks Aaron 🎯❣️ Not easy to debate these two US sponsored puppets painting their one sided perspective vilifying and blaming the other side without being challenged! Very brave 👍🏽
She says Ukraine should not adhere to Minsk because they were done forcibly... first of all, Ukraine was defended by Germany and France and nobody even mentioned that Ukraine is being forced on anything, they all said they are looking for meaningful solution to the crisis, and second, you can always claim that any agreement has been done forcibly and nullify it, not very smart excuses.
When does the "visiting" Ukrainian professor sign up to fight on the front lines?
That lady is quite the fantasist. I applaud your patience Aaron.
Seeing her so manic roaring and repeating old stories, I‘m afraid that she can’t honestly face the strategic goals of Ukraine‘s ability at all.
From the beginning when i saw aaron mate i knew those poor Ukrainian opposition guests don't stand a Chance he knows the facts he defend his opinion with facts not propaganda I feel sorry for the Ukrainians but if this is the way they all feel and believe about the conflict with Russia then they are doomed
Surprising that Aaron got a platform at Al Jazeera. Great job job Aaron, that wasn't easy 3 against you.
That's not even a challenge for the Buzz saw.
Aaron was great at explaining his points. I still have sympathy toward Ukrainians, but what Aaron says makes sense based on some of the things I've read as well. The escalation of the war could've been avoided, but I feel like right now, it's the Ukrainian people fighting on the grounds that are being used as pawns, both by the hardliners in their own government who had refused to make any kind of concession, and as in the case of Boris Johnson, the Ukrainians are also being used by the west as their cannon fodder in the fight against Russia.
This is a great deal for the west. All they have to do is provide material support in the form of money and weapons (which benefits the west's military industrial complex) and they got themselves a voluntary fighting force in the Ukrainians without having to actually put any boots on the ground to fight Russia.
The best thing for everyone involved would be to try to seek some kind of peace agreement, because as bad as Putin is, he's not a zealot blinded by hate like some of the leaders we see in Izrael. I think Putin is smart enough to know when to call it quits.
There was an american politicians that once Said "Its better to fight them (Russians) over there then here (USA). I dont remember Who or when, but just Google the quote or something.
Also regarding how "Bad" Putin is in relation to Israel look at Who funds the Israelis. I'd say they aint better. They want us to believe Putin kills civilians on purpose. 10k have died in 2 years (and thats by bombings from both sides. And its well documented that UA used Avdiika to bomb Donetsk since 2014). While over 30k have died in almost 5 months in Gaza by Israel.
Putin is very smart, unfortunately the West has broken so many promises and chances for peace that the trust level is at zero. So Putin won't accept a cease fire now based on empty promises.
If you have sympathy for Ukrainians, then you should support Russia. Millions of Ukrainians have moved to live in Russia. There is a totalitarian regime in Ukraine that forces Ukrainians to fight and forbids them to tell the truth. Most Ukrainians support Russia.
Aaron Maté excellent as always.
Great work by Aaron Maté. Leveling facts against the propaganda from the two guests and the host. Well done
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@@ausername8699McCarthyism 2024
If these two Ukrainians can represent all Ukrainians’ understanding of the war, Ukraine is slowly committing suicide!
@@falcatafalcata1617 I guess there's no point in helping Palestinians then, since that would just prolong their inevitable genocide right?
So many Russians bots 😅
I haven’t watched yet, but I know Aaron Mate is going to win this panel easily.
Bravo, Aaron. It was 2 against you, and you prevailed! Very good job.
it was more like 3 against Aaron
Yep, he managed to interrupt their long winter rants...
Aaron is the only one there not getting a paycheck from the West
If you don't include the moderator, I agree. Al Jazeera is based in Qatar. If I'm not mistaken, the voice of the moderator (I was only listening) was Mark Lamont Hill, who lost his CNN contract after speaking just a tiny bit of truth about the situation in Israel in 2018.
@@ViennaGuy2000 Al Jazeera English is worse than other iterations of Al Jazeera in other languages from my experience.. in general AJ kind of suck, but they are useful on Palestine.. they are a giant corporation with their own biases.. but when compared to western corporate media they look good in contrast.. like you said, they are in Qatar and their corporate interests don't all necessarily align with the narratives of U.S., UK, Germany corporate media.. but they actually do fall in line with other fake western narratives many of which pertaining to Russia and China.. and the reason for that is that Qatars own history is one that is intertwined with the British East India company and the House of Saud.. many of the Gulf states are not organic civilization-states like Persia/Iran or Ottoman/Turkey or other historical civilizations of the Middle East.. modern countries like Saudi Arabia, Israel, Kuwait are fake civilizations for all intents and purposes and their borders were carved out by outside forces and turned into nation-states for colonial considerations.. It's not an accident the poorest places in the world are balkanized into tiny little nation-states at war with each other, it goes back to the British divide and conquer tact.. and those "countries" have been ruled by western puppet monarchs to control resources for centuries. The middle east is populated with people who have governments that don't represent their interests.
@@ViennaGuy2000 The moderator has a home in the US, has American Bank accounts. He knows he can't say too much
Aaron speaks the truth!! Facts! Truth!
Ukraine could sweet talk the people in eastern Ukraine to remain part of Ukraine rather than bombing them, people hate to be forced
So true ❤
That woman represents just how nutty Ukrainians are.🙄🙄
It's Russians who have the upper hand, NOT the people in the eastern parts.
Its way tooo late for that. There's no going back, all russian areas stay with the
Russian Federation.
Aaron probably didn't want to open this bag of worms, but it's almost certain that the protesters gunned down during Maidan were killed by snipers who were part of the fascist groups behind the coup. Ivan Katchanovski has a really great, peer-reviewed paper on this, laying out what seems to be very strong evidence. If you search for 'Ivan Katchanovski maidan sniper', you can find a copy of it.
As to the rest of the interview, yet another example of Hoo-Rah-Ukraine types being quite deranged. Announcing that Russia is going to march on Berlin a second time is way out in crank territory, and should have been laughed at. Absurd.
Ivan Katchanovsky's body of work is impressive. Now that's a true Ukrainian political scientist media should regard. That's why Ukrainian and Western propaganda has been trying desperately to cancel him.
A similar sniper attack were done in Venezuela during the 2002 coup-attempt also backed/orchestrated by Washington. They tried to frame it on the sitting president too, but the evidence pointed to the right-wing coup plotters. Color revolution, so obvious.
No, russians do not go to Berlin. But they want to make the path from Moscow to Kaliningrad through Lithuania and Poland; they want to take Moldova; they want to take the part of Estonia... way not?
No one in the world wants to be stuck governing Poles or Lithuanians. You don't have anything worth the headache.@@taniakrivorot
@@kusotarre what do You know about the Suwalki gap? I'm from Lithuania with ukrainian roots, but grew up in the russian culture, graduated russian school. I think I know the political issues of the post-sovet region better than that Aaron.
Lesia dear,
Your arguments are weak. Best to change the line of work.
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Aaron Mate debunked all the fallacies! He was the superstar on the panel!!!
Why do I trust the observers account (Aron mate) over the opinion of a politician with invested interests/agendas (eg. A Parliament member) 😅😅😅🤷♀️🤷♀️
If these two Ukrainians can represent all Ukrainians’ understanding of the war, Ukraine is slowly committing suicide! There is no help!😅
If those two arerepresenting Ukraine, Ukraine is doomed of any existance ever
Exactly.
She says "there is robust support for Ukraine", the question is WHERE ? In washington and its stooges, nowhere else.
unfortunately there are a bunch of propagandized and brainwashed Europeans/Westerners that support that USA/NATO-proxy war.
UK stooges.
You will have to negotiate at one point.
Until then, tens of thousands more will die.
This host is great. Sticks to his questions and does not tolerate guests twisting the questions. Great job.
Yeah this guy is slick kept it moving the whole time
if agreements made between countries under force or threat of force are not valid, does this mean that agreements made after Germany's surrender in ww1 and ww2 and Japan's surrender in ww2 didnt count?
Great job Aaron
Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.
Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time.
Another fact against the Ukrainian counter-narrative is that the Minsk accords where no just rectified by the UN but where also held within the Normandy format, i.e. France and Germany were committed in implementing those accords. There's wasn't any pressure from Russia for them to agree to this.
I remember in 2024 then Ukraine banned Russian language….
I have lived in a country that tried to ban a language.........NEVER works. The US knows NOTHING about other countries. Before this war in Ukraine I bet most people in the US didn't know where it was!
The only rational, nuanced voice was Aaron Mate. The other 2 guests were sensationalistic and propagandistic, using one-sided, selective or skewed data.
Much agreed. The diplomatic hurdle is those 2 guests represent the stubborn perspective that will result in Ukraine completely destroyed and generations of Ukrainians killed. For what? Their unwillingness to declare neutrality and to not join NATO??? Their unwillingness not to recognize that some Ukrainians may want to ally with Russia???
The US and NATO are exploiting Ukraine's stubborness, not to preserve "democracy", but to degrade the Russian military. (even that is a dubious goal.) But they keep holding the NATO carrot just out of Ukraine's reach.
With the mindset of the Ukrainian politican after 1 more year when the war enter its fourth. Ukraine will have lost even more land, and ppl, and the situation being even worse. It will be harder for aid to get pass US, and EU parlaments. This is a non-sustainable strategy. It is hard to watch.
Excellent moderation by Hill. I look forward to CNN inviting Aaron Mate to present his contrarian views (which happen to be correct).
If they did invite him, it would only be to try to shut him down.
Aaron acknowledges a Ukraine of plurality. One looking to the east and another to the west the other two guests only see Ukraine as a homogenous nation.
Well, Russia is about to chance all that ain't they?
Excellent contribution from Aaron Maté
I'm wondering is she working for Fox News or CNN same lip service😂.
Aaron stated more powerfully and clarity.
Ukraine's declaration of independence when the USSR disbanded in 1991 stipulated Ukraine's geopolitically neutrality.
In 2004, Viktor Yanukovych, who was committed to upholding Ukrainian neutrality, ran for the presidency of Ukraine against Viktor Yushchenko, who favored Ukraine joining NATO. Mr. Yanukovych won the election in the second round of voting, but the U.S. orchestrated an exhaustively documented color revolution known as the Orange Revolution that prevented Mr. Yanukovych from assuming the presidency -- this is in 2004, ten years prior to his being violently overthrow in the U.S.-backed Maidan coup -- and in an illegal third round of voting, Mr. Yushchenko, the pro-NATO candidate, won the presidency.
In 2010, Mr. Yanukovych won the presidency of Ukraine a second time. After he assumed office, he succeeded in signing into law a bill he submitted to Ukraine's rada reasserting Ukraine's neutrality as originally declared upon Ukraine's independence from the USSR in 1991.
Well put
When is the US going to learn?
What an interviewer ! Standing ovation
Aaron carried!!!
Right on, Aaron.
The Russian and Ukrainian sides should negotiate with each other to establish peace
I ask the West to support peace
Russia should not get a single piece of land in these negotiations. They should be returned to 1991 borders.
Boris Johnson: "Not gonna happen, chief"
Ukraine has nothing to negotiate with. Unconditional surrender now is about their best hope for even remaining as a rump state.
@@ausername8699I understand many hold this position, but I would suggest setting idealism aside. How likely is it that an eventual negotiated settlement will see a return to 1991 territorial borders, and, if a reasonable observer concludes that it is very unlikely, how many more lives must be sacrificed before more practical negotiation is prioritized?
@ame8699 Mister, why don't you visit, let's say Crimea for yourself, it's quite safe now, and decide for yourself what majority of its population is strongly considering themselves as Russians by blood, by culture, by soul, by language, by conscience and etc. Make your own survey, and I can guarantee you that you'll end up in somewhere 85-90% of people strongly supporting their historical reunification with their lost in 1991 motherland.
And then ask that question to yourself, who are you to tell those people, that were deprived of their homeland in 1991, how they should live, behave and raise their children ( don't you know that even the military oath's bound servicemen to Ukraine deployed in Crimea didn't make a single shot during that 2014 spring in Ukraine, fully realizing what was the real mood and feeling of local population towards Russia as their real motherland )
Don't you believe anymore in democratic procedures, or in UN charter that tells you that any people have their right to determine their own future by holding a referendum?
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@@ZeljkoCipris I did this. But it didn't work!
I support any country against Western Imperialists' agenda
😅😅😅the greatest illusion is to think that the whole world is behind Ukraine, no it's America n Europe behind Ukraine and they're not the whole world madam, put your facts straight
Adding to that, it’s only the governments of America and Europe that are for Ukraine. The majority of citizens are against continuing war and for negotiation leading to peace.
And a great bulk of the population in the West doesn't support this war either. Many in Europe want to reach an agreement with Russia and end the war.
Imagine
@@patrickowens8768ukraine should give to Russia cities Odesa, Kharkiv, Kyev, after that the negotiation is possible. Are You agree with Putin? Do You think that after that stratagy Putin will not assault Estonia? or make the path to Kaliningrad?
realistically the a lot of countries were pressured into being against russia's war in Ukraine, a lot of countries wanted to remain Neutral or complete abstention . Its a bit ironic now that the majority of the US public are the ones now against supporting Kiev
Russia didn't guarantee or excepted an illegitimate Kiev regime.
Which planet is she from? Democratic Ukraine? Whats the opposition? None?.... hmmm. Plus people from EX Ukrainian republics want to be in Ukraine......thats why they seperated in 2014 and got bombed by Ukrainians ever since. Cramia was Ukrainian? since when, it was always Russian, few times in history Turks had it, but not for long. Plus remember that just before 2022 Russian invasion, Ukraiine goverment was deemed as most corrupt goverment in Europe by EU. Maybe thats why EU didn't want to take Ukraine and if they wouldn't sell all the weapons west is giving them, they could stand a litle bit better chance against Russians. Now, war is over, Ukraine is not winning as their propaganda says, they are on the virge of colapse. Its done. Their goverment just wants to get as much cash as they can before they call it quits.
In 2024, Zelensky was questioned in Ukraine. In order to preserve his power, he even canceled the presidential election!
It is irresponsible and untrue to spread misinformation about the situation in Ukraine. The people of Ukraine have the right to determine their own future without interference or false narratives. The conflict in Ukraine is a result of Russian aggression and illegal occupation, not because of any inherent flaws in the Ukrainian government. The Ukrainian government may have had issues with corruption in the past, but that does not justify or excuse Russian aggression and illegal invasion. The focus should be on finding a peaceful resolution to the conflict and supporting the people of Ukraine in their efforts to rebuild and secure their sovereignty.
@@NafoDato You guys really should do stand-up full-time, your comedy is too precious to be wasted on failed propaganda in UA-cam posts.
@@psbarrow Thanks for the backhanded compliment! But hey, we like to think of our UA-cam posts as our own brand of comedy gold mixed with a healthy dose of truth bombs. Who says we can't do both stand-up and educate the masses at the same time? Plus, we'd miss out on all the fun of triggering all those keyboard warriors if we went full-time stand-up! 😉
@@NafoDato LOL, good one, "educate the masses", just like the clowns who educate a circus audience on how to juggle tenpins. Got any more "truth bombs"?
Thank you Aaron for your clarity and sharpness against the Western propaganda!
This lady is very misinformed @
This lady knows the truth, but she is very deceitful
@@sezard252 *minsinforming
ukraine and democracy lol gimme a break!
Russia has a winning military strategy, Ukraine and nato have a PR strategy. The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
Winning strategy, hmmm... 'Russia's four-month offensive on the destroyed Donetsk town of Avdiivka, in eastern Ukraine, cost more lives than the 10 years of war Moscow waged under the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, new figures suggest.
About 17,000 Russian soldiers were killed between October 10, 2023, when Russia launched its assault on the Donetsk city, and February 17, 2024, said Dmytro Lykhovii, spokesperson for Ukraine's Tavria group of forces covering Avdiivka.' Newsweek, Feb 19th.
@@16252 so your are saying that the heavily marketed Ukrainian summer offensive was the winning strategy?
3 against 1 and Aaron still won!
A. Maté = Truth-teller Brigade !
Crimea has always been Russian.
No Crimea was khanate of Crimea and previous Soviet leader Klitschko ceded it to Ukraine
@MosmMAli Yes, sorry. I meant during the Russia reasent history. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being part of the RUSSIAN Empire (it was the favorite place of the Russian aristocracy vacations). Then, it was part of the Soviet Union within the Russian State. During Nikita Krushev, Crimea was given to Ukraine for administrative reasons (only) in the beginning 1953 (?).
Who is this Aaron guy ,wow he just lifted the wool from my eyes so all along we have been misled about the Ukraine war .
the UN dont have refugee camps in Ukraine…why?
Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity.
In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.
If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.
Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.
Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time.
Russia's national security was compromised once nato began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining nato was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.
20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO
NATO is not a defensive alliance. Nato illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).
We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?
Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.
Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland.
Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed.
Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens-theirs will hide in the basements”.
Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it.
Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country.
Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. (13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list.)
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list.
R.I.P. Gonzalo Lira. "I cannot accept the way my son has died. He was tortured, extorted, incommunicado for 8 months and 11 days and the US Embassy did nothing to help my son.
The responsibility of this tragedy is the dictator Zelensky with the concurrence of a senile American President, Joe Biden" - Lira's father
There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas. (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence).
The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.
Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave.
Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) RIP.
The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).
The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter.
I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion.
I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.
Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked and verified.
Aron did a very good job, Thank you. Its kinda funny an American Jurnalist speaking on defence of Rusiya, well done.
“We prepared a huge document in Istanbul, Turkey, that was initialed by the head of the Ukrainian delegation. He affixed his signature to some of the provisions, not to all of it. He put his signature and then he himself said: “We were ready to sign it and the war would have been over long ago, eighteen months ago. However, Prime Minister Boris Johnson came, talked us out of it and we missed that chance.” Well, you missed it, you made a mistake, let them get back to that, that is all. Why do we have to bother ourselves and correct somebody else’s mistakes?.” - Vladimir Putin
Disappointing that Aaron could not bring himself to defend Russia's SMO (Special Military Operation), which was was launched not to start a war with Ukraine but to stop the Ukrainian coup government's 8-year war on the ethnic Russian population of the Donbas. Otherwise, he did a good job of countering the imperial propaganda of not only the other two guests but the host as well.
People get tripped up on the "Is vs Ought" dynamic too much in these type of conversations. Talking about the world as it is Vs. talking about the world as we subjectively wished it could be are two entirely different conversations and only one of those conversations is useful and productive in the context of being asked to diagnose how we got here and where we are going... which is what the prompt of this debate is supposed to be.
Thank you Aaron
Ukraine took the NATO Pill and lost. US taxpayers pay this woman's salary now but not for long.
Fighting is as old as human civilization, we need to return to the days of those who wage it must actually fight in it.
Shouldn't have provoked Russia, now is gg
Aaron, opened the truth like its supposed to be. Thank you Aaron
“Ukrainians are dying Everyday as a nation. We want the war to End as soon as possible. We have No more strength left; neither physical nor mental.” - Olena Oleksandriya, an Elderly Ukrainian resident in the Port City of Odessa
Very interesting from Al-Jazeera I like this video, we know how this started 👍🏽
Most of what he said is a lie or an exaggeration. He's spewing Russian state propaganda.
Bravo Aaron
AAron well done.
Aaron spoke great
G-d bless you Aaron - bravo
“The fighting is being done by the Ukrainians [more than 500 thousand Ukrainian soldiers lost their precious Lives in a Proxy war Against Russia on Behalf of US, EU, and Nato], they are the people who are being killed. The US and Europe are supplying them weapons.” - Zanny Minton Beddoes, the Economist’s Editor-in-chief
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The funny thing is the first question. What is conflicting narrative when Ukraine Soldier retreat? meaning they are losing, And clearly cannot win.
RUZZia is supposed to be a military superpower but Kiev and Ukraine is still standing 2 years after Putin's 2 week SMO was thwarted
“When the moment of truth came, who stood by the people of Gaza [the innocent civilians, the helpless, the hopeless, the oppressed, the repressed, the people of Palestine]? It was the Houthis [the poor, the primitives, the backwards in the Eyes of the US Empire and its Western Imperial powers, the people of Yemen]. If genocide is the crime of crimes, as it’s called, then I say: the Houthis are the hero of heroes.” - Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish professor, a Son of a Holocaust survivor
This sweet couple, a completely beaten Western Ukrainian who mumbles her ideological slogans that Western mainstream media have been selling for 10 years, and a Russian liberal living in the USA who has little to do with Russia and who sees the hand of the evil Putin in everything. Compared to them, the magnificent independent journalist Aaron Mate, who operates with facts and clearly presents sober arguments, looks like a guru. The Ukrainian and the Russian pro-Western liberal take advantage of the fact that the Western audience is extremely ignorant and does not know the basic facts about the conflict and is therefore susceptible to the influence of twisted propaganda methods.
Oh God that host is really annoying.
Aaron is a great journalist. He's not a propagandist like these two clowns. Thank you for real journalism Aaron.
“The war in Ukraine is the greatest war of generations in Europe. There will never be Enough ammunition in Ukraine. There will never be Enough people in Ukraine. There will never be Enough weapons in Ukraine. But we keep producing More. But no Matter how Much we produce, we will be dependent on Western Supply. Because no Single country can withstand against Russia in such kind of war of Attrition.” - Oleksandr Kamyshyn, Ukrainian Minister of Strategic Industries
Most of the world doesn’t take the side of Ukraine , for sure.
Did you know 80% of Avdeevka voted to join Russian that was not recognized by the Kiev coup govt. Did you know nearly the same thing happened in Mariupol as well as dozens of cities across eastern Ukraine. It was supposed to be put down in. A "two week anti terrorist operation" but turned into the civil war
Thank you for Aaron mate
When you drinking coffee and you are not out in the cold you can say that will fight
Russia must take half of Ukraine then negotiate peace
Putting is completely uninterested by Sweden and Finland joining Nato. Why? Because both Sweden and Finland are of low strategic interest to Russia unlike Ukraine
Marc Lamont Hill is a great pick up for al Jazeera, already making some of the best journalism out there. Having Mate on to let the facts put the two propagandists on the back foot is truly amazing journalism 😂
My country, Canada, just gave Ukraine another 3 billion. Meanwhile, our health system is grossly underfunded and close to failing, and we have homeless camps in most of our major cities.
Constantly interrupting your guests shows really poor control of the discussion.
Kiev refuse to be neutral !!! .
Thank you 🙏🏻 ❤
"Russia will expand"... Of course! Russia is a small country needing more territory...
" Ukraine regained its independence ." ?! Ukraine never existed as sovereign state, how it was possible to regain anything when you never had it before.?
“Aiding Ukraine, Giving money to Ukraine, is the cheapest possible Way for the US to enhance its security [No US soldiers Are needed to be sent to the Russian Bear’s meat-grinder because the Ukrainians are doing the Fighting and Sacrificing their precious Lives on Behalf of the West; US, EU, Nato].” - Zanny Minton Beddoes, the Economist’s Editor-in-chief
Aron are more believable and in fact than the 3 of you...
That was really good. Very ballanced. Nice job.
Ukraine needs to be careful that they don't drag out the war long enough for Western pledged reconstruction funds to be forgotten.
Marc lamont hill 👍👏
I all sincerity, there's little happening inside the head of that woman.
Thanks Aaron 🎯❣️ Not easy to debate these two US sponsored puppets painting their one sided perspective vilifying and blaming the other side without being challenged! Very brave 👍🏽
Keep this nation out of NATO who wants their baggage
Good debate. Aaron won..
Why have Aaron debate TWO people instead of just one? He barely got any time to make points and correct inaccurate information.
Comical line......taking advise from boris Johnson 😂😂😂
Is very cool if u see someone not baying western media talking points big respect Aaron
The moderator doesn't know how to moderate. 😂
Aaron is logical
The future is worst certainly
Mate ❤