I'm not a Glock fanboy, but it is stupid when people say Glock killer. Glocks still have their place in this market and they are still fantastic pistols that are accurate and extremely reliable. Just get both, that is my opinion!
@briancooke5532 as someone with both a echelon and glock 17 while the echelon may be overall more setup or ready to be setup than my glock at the end of the day if shit hits the fan I'm grabbing the glock why cause replacement parts and mags are Hella abundant
Omg, the transition with the belt was just amazing 😂. Nice review as always. Congratulations to the cameraman, it s just high end qualities videos. À lot of work for him to edit such videos. Good job
Since you guys did a pdp video I really expected this one to come out too and I'm very surprised you guys like it this much and were this positive. Thank you guys for being honest.
I bought the Echelon just to try it out. Got a great deal on a case of ammo from Bud’s Gun Shop and had no failures. I was so impressed with the pistol I sold my Glock 17 and purchased a second Echelon as a backup.
FLUX DEFENSE - If you see this, please make a Raider for this. Seriously, I’ll buy 2 of them yesterday. As far as the Echelon on its own, I got one a bit after its release and I would do it again. I have 1200rds through it with zero issues. No regrets. If you’re someone on the fence, at it’s price, it’s a solid polymer handgun.
Amen. I second that on both comments. I have the P320 flux but would ditch it for an Echelon flux (plus buy two more echelons - 1 with the threaded barrel). It is an awesome gun.
Probably a great option for someone who's looking to buy something and be done. I have been in both camps. Sometimes i want to build and tinker , piece together what i want , and that end product will be better for me than even these newer guns that are getting better out of the box.
Nice review! I rented one shortly after they hit the shelves & put 100rds through it. I'm not a fan of polymer, but I preferred it over just about everything else duty sized & polymer, except HK. We've come along way in this category, though, and that is certainly a good thing. 👍👍
I bought mine a month after it came out. I shot over 2000 rounds through it. It has a Holosun 508t, streamlight TLR-1 and have had zero malfunctions, no stove pipes, no failure to feed, nothing. It has been my EDC. I plan to get a threaded barrel for it, magwell and some tartan-tactical base plates or Springer Precision magwell and base plates. Maybe a new trigger but so far this trigger has only gotten better. I’ve owned a lot of Glocks and this one is trully a Glock killer. Thanks for the video guys!
CZp10c is like 375-450. So enough left over for optic work if needed and potentially enough for a holster or magazine. Just an option for those looking! Admittedly though really like the echelon especially the slide cuts and everything ready out of the box.
I own both. Got my P10C Optics ready for $360. It's a beast of a gun. I feel my Echelon is slightly better and probably my favorite polymer gun currently. But if I just had a P10C I'd definitely still be a happy man.
@jamr3116 what makes the Echelon better for you? I run the P10SC which is the P10F slide on the P10C frame and that is by far my favorite striker fire.
I bought mine several months ago…approximately 300 rounds and no malfunctions…I have medium to large hands…feels great/shoots great…I put a Holosun 507C on it/love the VIS…the gun has lived up to the hype.
I see it this way: Glock 45 or 17 around $600 Good stippling job $300 Optic cut with slide serrations $300 Different sights $100 Upgrading the trigger $150 Total around $1450 Springfield Echelon $550 Trijicon RMR or SRO around $450 Surefire x300 around $250 1000 rounds 9mm 124gr $250 Total around $1500 My choice Echelon any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Great video as always boys.
Birthday bump,, my HK VP9 does the same thing when you insert a new mag. I actually prefer it and VP9 would be my favorite gun if I didn't ride the slide release every time I shoot it. Just picked up the Echelon but haven't been able to shoot it yet. Great content as always with you guys!
I'm a new pistol owner, and I bought this and their Emissary (which would be cool for you guys too review) and while I'm not a frequent range guy, between myself and 2 others, its had around only 3-400 rounds including hand loaded stuff, with zero malfunctions.
- Cost of a Glock 17: depends on whether or not you get Blue Label or not (a non- LE/ Military etc. person can get Blue Label pricing also btw) Blue Label: $390's-$400 Non Blue Label: $600'ish - Talon tape: $19-$25 or... - Roll of hockey tape: $10 - Undercut: your dremel and about 30 minutes time - Slide cut for RMR footprint: $120-$145 (Wager Machine Works) - Sight swap, depending on which you want: $65 for Dawsons (both front and rear) - Extended Glock slide stop: $20 tax & shipping included - If you want a magwell: $65-$100 depending on which one - +2 mag extensions: $13 each Total: $950.50 (at highest cost points, with improved features) $1,520.50 (w/ X300 & 407C) Total: $698.00 (at lowest cost points, with improved features) - Total: $613.00 (setup equivalent to Echelon, w/out improved features) $1,183.00 (w/ X300 & 407C) ===================== SA echelon: $510 Holosun 407C: $250 Surefire X300U-A: $320 X300U-B: $260 Total: $1080 So reality is... the cost to get a Glock "up to an Echelon's level"... is really not enough of a difference to make a difference, ($100). Just thought about throwing that out there as well for anyone to know.
I love my 45's but I just bought the Echelon & shot it yesterday & man I love this pistol! Smooth action, nice trigger & the VIS optics system is a game changer. I bought a Holosun 507 & dropped right on no problem and with the sight sitting lower ( not on a plate ), it co-witnesses with the iron sights. I lined up the dot with the irons & was hitting my target with the 1st rounds fired. The Echelon may be replacing my XDm 45 as my EDC!
I bought an echelon for testing and did a review on it, while I think it’s a decent gun. My shadow systems, hk’s, and my px4’s are all better. One of the reasons I started watching your channel way back in the day, is I think you guys do a fair assessment of things. You guys did a solid review in this video.
I have had mine for about 10 months. Have about 1200 rounds through it. One malfunction due to ammunition. Was shooting reloads and a round didn’t chamber as a primer wasn’t fully seated and it did not go into battery. 100% besides this issue. The Echelon was 100%. I have a Holosun EPS MRS optic on it and carry it in a Tulster holster out of Texas. Great holster. Would recommend this gun to anyone considering it.
Once again gents, great review. The birthday bump that you refer to is a feature that was built into the Pro Series CORE (Combat Optics Ready Equipment) pistols from Smith & Wesson. This was when the red dot on pistol craze was just taking off. I like it because it takes one movement out of the battery of arms and reloads are fast af. S&W removed that feature in the proceeding models and I haven’t seen it in any other until the Echelon.
Poly striker guns just don't get me excited anymore these days. I saw this drop and thought wow, how original. After seeing reviews on exactly what this pistol has out of the box, it would sit very high on my list if I was in the market. great review guys.
Instead of trying to dethrone Glock. Springfield and other would be wise to establish a history and pedigree like Glock has. You will never be able to “kill” the legacy and history of THE law enforcement gun of America.
I love the slide lock/release because it takes barely any pressure to push it down to release the slide. As happened to you in the video, my slide closes anytime I slam a loaded magazine in. I was a little weirded out by that at first, but I kind of like it now. I’ve got about 500 rounds through mine without a single failure.
Lol. I am a 1911 guy. I bought the Echelon before it was the cool gun to own. I usually sell plastic guns within a few months. I can't seam to want to let this one go. It has everything needed without the bullshit.
1911 Syndicate reviewing something I can actually afford!! Letsss GOOOOOO!!! I ain’t buying one anyway. The Echelon seems cool but it doesn’t fill any role my current polymer framed 9mm pistols don’t. If I lose my G19 and VP9 in a house fire, maybe I’ll get one. 🤣
I have been interested in a duty pistol and was hung up on walther pdp but didn’t care for the beefy slide cuts. Also price point was an issue. The Glock 19 was my next choice but only for my ability to shoot it very well, but hate the look of glock. I watched your video along with all the others about this echelon and like this enough to give it a buy. Thank you guys for the great reviews.
An Echelon variant with the Pro SD treatment would be cool. Give it a factory upgraded trigger, 5" threaded barrel (in both 1/2x28 with the Hellcat dimple for the RDP compensator system and the objectively superior M13.5x1LH for suppressor connaisseurs. And not 5.1" or 5.2" as it should stay legal with most competitive rulebooks that ask for 5" flat) and maybe a factory magwell. And ship it with 4 large magazines that have bombproof floorplates. Plus an enlarged slide stop lever, but just on the left side where most right handed people want. Red dot cowitnessing height irons (so lower than full suppressor height) with a fiber optic front, a tungsten guide rod and steel chassis would also be cool, at least as upgrade parts.
After about 1000 rounds I loaded 3 of the 20 Rd magazines with random mix and match ammo. 12 different brands including reloads. All mixed up. Ran them through as fast as I could pull the trigger. Zero malfunctions. Let me add the gun was ran right out of the box and was not cleaned or touched internally until after the ammo test above. Currently have about 3000 rounds through it. Practice sessions, training classes, match competition. Zero malfunctions and I'm liking it more every time. I predict there will be a lot of LE Tenders satisfied with this pistol.
Love mine so far I probably have about 500- 600 ish rounds through it. Only had an issue with a mag extension because I put the metal plate on incorrectly so my rounds fell out. Obviously a simple fix.
Took the Echelon plunge myself and couldn’t be happier. Currently have a bit over 700 rounds in mine. No problems of any kind. Absolutely fantastic peice.
Great video guys, I'm not big on full time ambi mag releases becase my grip impedes the button, but it seems like an ok option. I wouldn't sell a pistol to buy it, but may be a good first time buyer option.
I’ve put exactly 400 rounds through mine (all white box Winchester) and have had zero malfunctions. I really like this firearm. It feels like a custom Glock 17…but better. I have a TLR-1 HL and a Holosun 407C and am really considering making it my nightstand gun over my G19 MOS with the same outfit.
@1911 Syndicate - I think that Springfield makes some nice 1911s. However, I'm never going to buy one (some will know why). However, I'm really confused. Jake doesn't like polymer pistols? What? Doesn't he adore HK? I don't understand. I LOVE HK pistols. I have seven. How can you dislike polymer pistols, but love HK pistols? Again, I'm really confused.
I have one. Got it when they first came out. Been flawless so far. Under 1k rounds though so far. I like it better than my glocks and I have 24 of those. All said though I carry a staccato
My first two 1911's were Spelringfields. A stainless GI spec that had a trigger job and commander hammer, that my grandfather had done when he bought it (it was still new in the box when I bought it from my father) My second was the stainless TRP. Both guns were and still are phenomenal. The guys at the Springfield Custom Shop have ALWAYS treated me with service that is above and beyond. Everytime. I know there is some political heat they took awhile back, but I think most of the hits to their reputation is mostly from people who just don't know what their fucking talking about. I have never hesitated to recommend their products or service. For the money, there are almost none better. Glad to see that people are seeing it. As for polymer guns, the only two I've even liked even a little were the Smith & Wessin M&P's and the Springfield XDM's. Guess I'll have to check out the Echelon. The review was different guy's, but a good one. Keep 'em coming.
i have that gun and I love that gun. I only have about 200 rounds through it, so looking to see how it does long term. I was thinking about getting it ported since it won't be my edc, but I like it so much, I just wanted to go all out.
Good video I feel like I got a true unbiased review thier is alot of very biased gun UA-camrs who are influencers I think most people who watch gun reviews no who they are.
I’ve noticed that if you jam a mag in with purpose it’ll drop the slide. If you insert it with less authority it won’t. I don’t know if this is on purpose or not but I’m not mad at it. I don’t even need to think about it. So I choose to consider it a feature instead of a happy accident.
@@nicksouthwell9393 yeah the only argument some people make is potential for a malfunction but that can be argued with anything and fixed with technique and training like anything 🤷🏼♂️
I picked one up and like it. But because I'm used to the P320 and PDP grip angles, I can't acclimate easily to the nose-up presentation. Also an EPS optic with a CHPWS plate (fills the front and rear gaps) puts the dot a little closer to the front sight post than I would prefer. Looking forward to training with it more though!
It is not as reliable as a Glock. I had the same issue with it that I have with the 320. When I got to 1400 rounds, the FCU got gunky and I began to have malfuntions. I had to pull the FCU and drown it in CLP and then was good for another 600 rounds before I experienced the same problem. I then cleaned it and sold it on Gunbroker. For me, reliablity is king so Glock, S&W, HK and Walther are in the circle of trust. The Echelon is probably fine for people that shoot a couple of time of year. It did not hold up to higher round counts just like the SIg.
Man you need to learn how to clean your firearms if your fcu is “gunky” and malfunctioning at 1400 rnds. My echelon has been cleaned 2 times in a little over 5k rounds and I have zero malfunctions. This also feels like a comment from someone who doesnt own an echelon and wants to hate. The fcu doesnt gunk up at all due to the placement and mechanics of the firearm. Small layer of carbon after 1000 rnds?sure. I love my glocks but you could baby wipe this thing in 2 seconds after every 1k rnds and youd never see a malfunction
Ehhhhhh video was kool....Echelon 2.5k rounds no malfunctions nd I think I'll get to 5k with no problem maybe even just one we'll see. But so far very solid. Only thing different with mine is I have slide cuts and it's sniper Grey nd black
I’m not a fan of Glock but there will NEVER be a pistol that will be called a Glock killer. The market is flooded with Glock aftermarket parts. Anything new that comes out for a gun is usually made for a Glock first.
i got the Echelon, but i got it mid Dec. n it was sold out everywhere near me so i had to order it online, so in my state there are extra fees for EVERYTHING. so it ended up being like 700 bc i had taxes, shipping, paperwork fee (to process), fee for the papers (for the actual papers), the receiving fee, n a fee for using my check card... i just moved here so i didnt know they did all that but i got it super quick, it came in the next day. anyway i have put 750 rounds of monarch 115 grain fmj (the Academy special lol) n about 300 rounds of various defensive rounds, n i has run smooth. other ppl have fired it at the range they liked it. it's a firearm made to be easy to use. it's good beginners n for ppl who are not ready to dump 2500+ on a 2011... YET
Echelon vs Shadow Systems would be an interesting comparison. I've been thinking of getting a polymer as I skipped them and went straight to 2011 when I went into this crazy world. Once I manage to get ahold of a CZ Shadow 2 compact, I'll have to figure out Echelon or Shadow Systems, so I can experience the Glock world without actually touching one.
I have a bunch of shadow systems and did a review of the echelon, the shadows stayed the echelon didn’t. The echelon is very good though, shadow is just better
I prefer the echelon over the shadow systems. I just feel the echelon is higher quality and had a better trigger out of the box. I did really like the SS grip though. The frame tolerances on the SS were not good IMO. If I swapped my mag release to the lefty side it would not lock back. The frame pins also felt a bit loose in the SS and some of the glock trigger kits had fitment issues.
I have one and love it. The only thing i didnt like is the polymer guide rod. So i put in a steel one. I do that with all of mine that have that. That's just me being nit-picky, though. I think it is a fantastic firearm.
I jumped around with pistols for a while. I had kinda drank the koolaid that Glock's weren't good...problem is, that Glock's are pretty damn good. I shoot them well even though it's been a while since I was only using Glock. PS. I don't like Springfield, but I do like this gun...
I did the same thing and stayed away from Glock. I bought and sold - s&w mp, beretta p92 and px4, sig p226. I just could not consistently stay on target. I just burned through ammo hitting the berm behind the target. Finally broke down and grabbed a Glock (47). I shoot it stock, something about the grip angle just works for me. I can get on target and stay on target.
I’ve got about 100 rounds ran through mine. The slide release is very tight. Other than that I really like it. Hoping it holds up as well as the Hellcat.
That gun is the best bang for the buck period .compared to glock or cz or hk doesn't matter its fucking phenomenal. And u can get for 500$ the only gun that's even close to that is the canik tps elite
I did a crappy little review on my channel. I'm not a fan of the optic mounting system, just because by making it universal, smaller optics leave big open spaces. Functionality is great. Aesthetically, it bothers me. But all around a good gun. I prefer my M&P, but it's still a good gun.
Can you elaborate please ? Do you mean for example , that specifically, a micro red dot doesn't completely fill the space provided ? Is that your main complaint ? Thank you in advance for your feedback.
@davidgaines8607 Just nitpicking but also being honest, I would Carry it and trust it if it were my only gun. I did have another issue though, the trigger pinched my finger , about 4 or 5 times in 500 rds. I think trigger safety has a small gap that kept catching. Not a huge deal but that was my experience.
@@Average_Joe_Arms I've read other comments on here and seen at least one about bolts sheering. Perhaps that is directly related to the gaps . So like I said , probably a valid complaint. Though I have an "mos" gun with gaps and so far so good.
I have one the threaded and night sight model, best feeling gun in my hand. Flattest shooter I have, and the most accurate that I have. I have a Glock, cz p10c, canik sf9 elite and the echelon is the best shooter of them all and my favorite. Second would be p10c and canik (their tiggers are amazing) then the Glock.
Y'all should do a video on the Beretta PX4G-SD from Langdon tactical with that weird X300 mounted comp thing. Weird enough to be interesting and seems nice. I want to see some videos made on that gun.
24:14 illustrates a VERY dangerous trend in modern handgunnery. Pistols have become so reliable that any malfunction is met with near delightful curiosity, instead of deadly serious focus and an instant trained response. This is the sort of thing that gets people killed in close personal defense situations when semiautos jam up. First, there's confusion, then shock, then panic, then death. All because their response to a stoppage while training has always been "Oh! Would you look at that?... gee wiz, it's a failure to feed! Get a picture!" If you EVER experience a stoppage while firing an autoloading pistol, even in simple, calm shooting at the range, you need to IMMEDIATELY and RAPIDLY clear the jam and get the gun back on target. You WILL fight how you train, so treat the clearing of every hangun stoppage as if your life depends on it.
@1911syndicate Nope. Just a regular guy noticing obvious trends... You responded, though. Had I actually said something silly and inaccurate, I doubt you would've taken the time. Take care 🙂
Imagine talking about your skills and behind a screen while having the ability to show the whole world those skills John Wick. You probably don’t shoot competitions cause “it causes bad habits that don’t translate in a real world scenarios”. Am I correct on that assumption?
@Chrisblau Are you threatening my dog? Because I really like my dog.. he's a good boy. Very easy to lead around on a leash, just like.... well, I think you know who 😉 Ego is to a fragile man what a nose ring is to a bull. I had completely forgotten about this comment until I saw your notification 😂 It's cute that you're thinking about me. Keep practicing and stay safe 👋🏻
I only looked at one. I thought is was big for a carry pistol, more of a duty pistol, and that was with the stock grip and I have big hands. I guess I'll have to take another look. Good review.
Most polymer pistols have what they call birthday bump its called tactical reloads. Smith&Wesson m&p glock , springfield, taurus, Sig, they all have that feature if you slam the mag in with the slide back it drops while chamering a round
grip texture, ambi controls, optics cut, single or double stage triggers, flat face triggers, are all standard items on the majority of budget polymer guns my guy
Wonder how these will compare to the new czp10 chassis pistol. Polished feed ramp and beveled chamber face. Frame just has the prefect shape and stippling, slide cuts/wings in just the right spot. Genius design with the optic mounting too. Expecting disappointment, came out pleasantly surprised.
I hate how polymer pistols call themselves "Glock Killers" when really, they are just "Glock Innovators". They can't be without Glock. 1911s CAN be Glock killers because they are something other than striker-fired polymer pistols. It is its own thing. So while innovators do Glock better, Glock did it bigger. Same with 1911s.
A lot of the guns coming out are fantastic. That said I hate the fact that there's not a industry standard mag. $40-$50 for a magazine is excessive. A lot of the aftermarket stuff is crap. We really need a company to start making alternatives to proprietary gear
Glock has been dethroned for a long time now people just have too much invested in glock to change even if they wanted to. I started on Glock 30 some years ago. There is nothing special about it compared to what is out there today. You always get the Glock staple gun trigger and plastic sights and plastic mags. I still have a 19 but its not even in my top 5 favorite striker poly guns anymore.
Anything is a Glock killer if you don’t like Glocks
I'm not a Glock fanboy, but it is stupid when people say Glock killer. Glocks still have their place in this market and they are still fantastic pistols that are accurate and extremely reliable. Just get both, that is my opinion!
Not a glock fanboy, as for a "glock killer" still don't care
@@briancooke5532 it's just to get clicks dude. It got yours..and mine, lol
@briancooke5532 as someone with both a echelon and glock 17 while the echelon may be overall more setup or ready to be setup than my glock at the end of the day if shit hits the fan I'm grabbing the glock why cause replacement parts and mags are Hella abundant
@@lucasschmitz4588I agree
Omg, the transition with the belt was just amazing 😂.
Nice review as always.
Congratulations to the cameraman, it s just high end qualities videos.
À lot of work for him to edit such videos.
Good job
Agree that was sick and great camera work.
Since you guys did a pdp video I really expected this one to come out too and I'm very surprised you guys like it this much and were this positive. Thank you guys for being honest.
Thank you for reaching for so long and for the kind words. Jake and I will always do our best to be 100% honest and truthful
I went with the Echelon over the PDP and this pistol is top notch. Super happy with it, shoots great and no malfunctions. Great video
why did you choose this over the pdp
@@warrenroberts1912 Ergos and I it shot more natural for me, plus everything it comes out of the box.
Should have just got a CZ P-10c. Cheaper and amazing out the box.
Same! Picked the echelon over the pdp and a cz p10c and have ZERO regrets lol
The video editor needs a raise. This videos are awesome.
I bought the Echelon just to try it out. Got a great deal on a case of ammo from Bud’s Gun Shop and had no failures.
I was so impressed with the pistol I sold my Glock 17 and purchased a second Echelon as a backup.
Dam, that's a bold statement
My echelon has been solid, no malfunctions yet and over 1k rounds. Definitely prefer it to my stock Glock and even stock M&P.
FLUX DEFENSE - If you see this, please make a Raider for this. Seriously, I’ll buy 2 of them yesterday.
As far as the Echelon on its own, I got one a bit after its release and I would do it again. I have 1200rds through it with zero issues. No regrets. If you’re someone on the fence, at it’s price, it’s a solid polymer handgun.
Agreed on both comments dude glad you’ve enjoyed yours and if flux makes one whhhhew that would be dope
Amen. I second that on both comments. I have the P320 flux but would ditch it for an Echelon flux (plus buy two more echelons - 1 with the threaded barrel). It is an awesome gun.
Probably a great option for someone who's looking to buy something and be done. I have been in both camps. Sometimes i want to build and tinker , piece together what i want , and that end product will be better for me than even these newer guns that are getting better out of the box.
Nice review! I rented one shortly after they hit the shelves & put 100rds through it. I'm not a fan of polymer, but I preferred it over just about everything else duty sized & polymer, except HK. We've come along way in this category, though, and that is certainly a good thing. 👍👍
I bought mine a month after it came out. I shot over 2000 rounds through it. It has a Holosun 508t, streamlight TLR-1 and have had zero malfunctions, no stove pipes, no failure to feed, nothing. It has been my EDC. I plan to get a threaded barrel for it, magwell and some tartan-tactical base plates or Springer Precision magwell and base plates. Maybe a new trigger but so far this trigger has only gotten better. I’ve owned a lot of Glocks and this one is trully a Glock killer. Thanks for the video guys!
CZp10c is like 375-450. So enough left over for optic work if needed and potentially enough for a holster or magazine.
Just an option for those looking!
Admittedly though really like the echelon especially the slide cuts and everything ready out of the box.
Do you own a P10c/f or have you shot one, if so, how does it compare to the Echelon?
I own both. Got my P10C Optics ready for $360. It's a beast of a gun. I feel my Echelon is slightly better and probably my favorite polymer gun currently. But if I just had a P10C I'd definitely still be a happy man.
@jamr3116 what makes the Echelon better for you? I run the P10SC which is the P10F slide on the P10C frame and that is by far my favorite striker fire.
I bought mine several months ago…approximately 300 rounds and no malfunctions…I have medium to large hands…feels great/shoots great…I put a Holosun 507C on it/love the VIS…the gun has lived up to the hype.
I see it this way:
Glock 45 or 17 around $600
Good stippling job $300
Optic cut with slide serrations $300
Different sights $100
Upgrading the trigger $150
Total around $1450
Springfield Echelon $550
Trijicon RMR or SRO around $450
Surefire x300 around $250
1000 rounds 9mm 124gr $250
Total around $1500
My choice Echelon any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Great video as always boys.
I never could justify the price of the Surefire over the streamlight tlr-1 hl
@@bettercallhag I agree but I intentionally put the more expensive one so mfs don’t say I went the cheaper route.
@@alexanderthegreat8067 lol I hear you
Birthday bump,, my HK VP9 does the same thing when you insert a new mag. I actually prefer it and VP9 would be my favorite gun if I didn't ride the slide release every time I shoot it. Just picked up the Echelon but haven't been able to shoot it yet. Great content as always with you guys!
I'm a new pistol owner, and I bought this and their Emissary (which would be cool for you guys too review) and while I'm not a frequent range guy, between myself and 2 others, its had around only 3-400 rounds including hand loaded stuff, with zero malfunctions.
Excellent man!
- Cost of a Glock 17: depends on whether or not you get Blue Label or not (a non- LE/ Military etc. person can get Blue Label pricing also btw)
Blue Label: $390's-$400
Non Blue Label: $600'ish
- Talon tape: $19-$25
or...
- Roll of hockey tape: $10
- Undercut: your dremel and about 30 minutes time
- Slide cut for RMR footprint: $120-$145 (Wager Machine Works)
- Sight swap, depending on which you want:
$65 for Dawsons (both front and rear)
- Extended Glock slide stop: $20 tax & shipping included
- If you want a magwell: $65-$100 depending on which one
- +2 mag extensions: $13 each
Total: $950.50 (at highest cost points, with improved features)
$1,520.50 (w/ X300 & 407C)
Total: $698.00 (at lowest cost points, with improved features)
- Total: $613.00 (setup equivalent to Echelon, w/out improved features)
$1,183.00 (w/ X300 & 407C)
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SA echelon: $510
Holosun 407C: $250
Surefire X300U-A: $320
X300U-B: $260
Total: $1080
So reality is... the cost to get a Glock "up to an Echelon's level"... is really not enough of a difference to make a difference, ($100).
Just thought about throwing that out there as well for anyone to know.
is it a dumb question to ask how you get blue label pricing if you're not LE?
I love my 45's but I just bought the Echelon & shot it yesterday & man I love this pistol! Smooth action, nice trigger & the VIS optics system is a game changer. I bought a Holosun 507 & dropped right on no problem and with the sight sitting lower ( not on a plate ), it co-witnesses with the iron sights. I lined up the dot with the irons & was hitting my target with the 1st rounds fired. The Echelon may be replacing my XDm 45 as my EDC!
I bought an echelon for testing and did a review on it, while I think it’s a decent gun. My shadow systems, hk’s, and my px4’s are all better.
One of the reasons I started watching your channel way back in the day, is I think you guys do a fair assessment of things. You guys did a solid review in this video.
I disagree and I think the echelon is a better gun
I have had mine for about 10 months. Have about 1200 rounds through it. One malfunction due to ammunition. Was shooting reloads and a round didn’t chamber as a primer wasn’t fully seated and it did not go into battery. 100% besides this issue. The Echelon was 100%. I have a Holosun EPS MRS optic on it and carry it in a Tulster holster out of Texas. Great holster. Would recommend this gun to anyone considering it.
Seems like a nice pistol and perhaps it’s modularity is it’s main selling point, similar to the P320, but better.
Once again gents, great review. The birthday bump that you refer to is a feature that was built into the Pro Series CORE (Combat Optics Ready Equipment) pistols from Smith & Wesson. This was when the red dot on pistol craze was just taking off. I like it because it takes one movement out of the battery of arms and reloads are fast af. S&W removed that feature in the proceeding models and I haven’t seen it in any other until the Echelon.
Poly striker guns just don't get me excited anymore these days. I saw this drop and thought wow, how original. After seeing reviews on exactly what this pistol has out of the box, it would sit very high on my list if I was in the market. great review guys.
Instead of trying to dethrone Glock. Springfield and other would be wise to establish a history and pedigree like Glock has. You will never be able to “kill” the legacy and history of THE law enforcement gun of America.
I love the slide lock/release because it takes barely any pressure to push it down to release the slide.
As happened to you in the video, my slide closes anytime I slam a loaded magazine in. I was a little weirded out by that at first, but I kind of like it now.
I’ve got about 500 rounds through mine without a single failure.
Just a note, I have a CZ P10F that does the “birthday bump” as you call it. It also FTFs on flat nose rounds, often enough I’ve stopped carrying it.
Lol. I am a 1911 guy. I bought the Echelon before it was the cool gun to own. I usually sell plastic guns within a few months. I can't seam to want to let this one go. It has everything needed without the bullshit.
1911 Syndicate reviewing something I can actually afford!! Letsss GOOOOOO!!!
I ain’t buying one anyway. The Echelon seems cool but it doesn’t fill any role my current polymer framed 9mm pistols don’t. If I lose my G19 and VP9 in a house fire, maybe I’ll get one. 🤣
House fire? I always thought a Glock could survive a nuclear blast. At least that’s what I’ve heard some fan boys say. 😂
That answer to running a polymer pistol hits close to home😅 "Bankruptcy and I have no choice!"
Thanks for posting, i have subscribed to your channel twice, and it's very weird that Im not unsubscribing
Hmmmm bizarre
I have been interested in a duty pistol and was hung up on walther pdp but didn’t care for the beefy slide cuts. Also price point was an issue. The Glock 19 was my next choice but only for my ability to shoot it very well, but hate the look of glock. I watched your video along with all the others about this echelon and like this enough to give it a buy. Thank you guys for the great reviews.
Solid video guys.
Thanks brother. Need to get together here in the QC
An Echelon variant with the Pro SD treatment would be cool. Give it a factory upgraded trigger, 5" threaded barrel (in both 1/2x28 with the Hellcat dimple for the RDP compensator system and the objectively superior M13.5x1LH for suppressor connaisseurs. And not 5.1" or 5.2" as it should stay legal with most competitive rulebooks that ask for 5" flat) and maybe a factory magwell. And ship it with 4 large magazines that have bombproof floorplates. Plus an enlarged slide stop lever, but just on the left side where most right handed people want.
Red dot cowitnessing height irons (so lower than full suppressor height) with a fiber optic front, a tungsten guide rod and steel chassis would also be cool, at least as upgrade parts.
After about 1000 rounds I loaded 3 of the 20 Rd magazines with random mix and match ammo. 12 different brands including reloads. All mixed up. Ran them through as fast as I could pull the trigger. Zero malfunctions. Let me add the gun was ran right out of the box and was not cleaned or touched internally until after the ammo test above. Currently have about 3000 rounds through it. Practice sessions, training classes, match competition. Zero malfunctions and I'm liking it more every time. I predict there will be a lot of LE Tenders satisfied with this pistol.
Love mine so far I probably have about 500- 600 ish rounds through it. Only had an issue with a mag extension because I put the metal plate on incorrectly so my rounds fell out. Obviously a simple fix.
Took the Echelon plunge myself and couldn’t be happier. Currently have a bit over 700 rounds in mine. No problems of any kind. Absolutely fantastic peice.
Great video guys, I'm not big on full time ambi mag releases becase my grip impedes the button, but it seems like an ok option. I wouldn't sell a pistol to buy it, but may be a good first time buyer option.
4K rounds through mine so far and not a single malfunction.
Owned one for almost a year. It’s an outstanding gun.
Great review can’t wait to see yall review on the Walther PDP Steel frame 4.5 inch
I’ve put exactly 400 rounds through mine (all white box Winchester) and have had zero malfunctions. I really like this firearm. It feels like a custom Glock 17…but better. I have a TLR-1 HL and a Holosun 407C and am really considering making it my nightstand gun over my G19 MOS with the same outfit.
@1911 Syndicate - I think that Springfield makes some nice 1911s. However, I'm never going to buy one (some will know why). However, I'm really confused. Jake doesn't like polymer pistols? What? Doesn't he adore HK? I don't understand. I LOVE HK pistols. I have seven. How can you dislike polymer pistols, but love HK pistols? Again, I'm really confused.
I have a hellcat Pro absolutely love it. This is my next purchase
Great video. I am considering the Water PDP, but this caused me to take a good look at the Echelon before making a buying decision.
I have one. Got it when they first came out. Been flawless so far. Under 1k rounds though so far. I like it better than my glocks and I have 24 of those. All said though I carry a staccato
My first two 1911's were Spelringfields. A stainless GI spec that had a trigger job and commander hammer, that my grandfather had done when he bought it (it was still new in the box when I bought it from my father) My second was the stainless TRP.
Both guns were and still are phenomenal. The guys at the Springfield Custom Shop have ALWAYS treated me with service that is above and beyond. Everytime.
I know there is some political heat they took awhile back, but I think most of the hits to their reputation is mostly from people who just don't know what their fucking talking about. I have never hesitated to recommend their products or service. For the money, there are almost none better. Glad to see that people are seeing it.
As for polymer guns, the only two I've even liked even a little were the Smith & Wessin M&P's and the Springfield XDM's. Guess I'll have to check out the Echelon.
The review was different guy's, but a good one. Keep 'em coming.
as a small handed and left handed shooter, the slidfe release/lock works great for me. and i struggle ALOT with other slide releases
Honestly, a good amount of guns beat stock Glocks.
Glock would've been dead years ago if they didn't have a cult following lol
i have that gun and I love that gun. I only have about 200 rounds through it, so looking to see how it does long term. I was thinking about getting it ported since it won't be my edc, but I like it so much, I just wanted to go all out.
Good video I feel like I got a true unbiased review thier is alot of very biased gun UA-camrs who are influencers I think most people who watch gun reviews no who they are.
I’ve noticed that if you jam a mag in with purpose it’ll drop the slide. If you insert it with less authority it won’t. I don’t know if this is on purpose or not but I’m not mad at it. I don’t even need to think about it. So I choose to consider it a feature instead of a happy accident.
Yes that’s on purpose it’s called a birthday bump. Some companies do that some don’t
@@Chrisblau Well who ever came up with that idea I’d like to shake their hand. It just makes sense from competition to self defense.
@@nicksouthwell9393 yeah the only argument some people make is potential for a malfunction but that can be argued with anything and fixed with technique and training like anything 🤷🏼♂️
I picked one up and like it. But because I'm used to the P320 and PDP grip angles, I can't acclimate easily to the nose-up presentation. Also an EPS optic with a CHPWS plate (fills the front and rear gaps) puts the dot a little closer to the front sight post than I would prefer. Looking forward to training with it more though!
It is fun/funny watching channels you don't expect to like it like it. These are likely the best endorsement as they are not industry cheerleaders.
This is extremely kind of you to say and we really appreciate the kind words sir 👊🏼👊🏼
It is not as reliable as a Glock. I had the same issue with it that I have with the 320. When I got to 1400 rounds, the FCU got gunky and I began to have malfuntions. I had to pull the FCU and drown it in CLP and then was good for another 600 rounds before I experienced the same problem. I then cleaned it and sold it on Gunbroker. For me, reliablity is king so Glock, S&W, HK and Walther are in the circle of trust. The Echelon is probably fine for people that shoot a couple of time of year. It did not hold up to higher round counts just like the SIg.
CZ is my circle of trust. If I gotta just grab one and go it's gonna be my CZ P10c
bullshit lies bro don't post for likes people have shot over 5k rounds no problems
Man you need to learn how to clean your firearms if your fcu is “gunky” and malfunctioning at 1400 rnds. My echelon has been cleaned 2 times in a little over 5k rounds and I have zero malfunctions. This also feels like a comment from someone who doesnt own an echelon and wants to hate. The fcu doesnt gunk up at all due to the placement and mechanics of the firearm. Small layer of carbon after 1000 rnds?sure. I love my glocks but you could baby wipe this thing in 2 seconds after every 1k rnds and youd never see a malfunction
Ehhhhhh video was kool....Echelon 2.5k rounds no malfunctions nd I think I'll get to 5k with no problem maybe even just one we'll see. But so far very solid. Only thing different with mine is I have slide cuts and it's sniper Grey nd black
I’m not a fan of Glock but there will NEVER be a pistol that will be called a Glock killer. The market is flooded with Glock aftermarket parts. Anything new that comes out for a gun is usually made for a Glock first.
I got mine for free in a springfield sponsored raffle so I love mine lol
Hi. One jam, probably because before you inserted the second magazine you released the gun's slide at the same time or earlier.
That slide release looks like it has a great personality.
Really enjoying your videos. I was really hoping not too. But yall entertain everytime,dang yAll I'm trying to sleep.
Thanks. I think?
Hahaha
The XDs were good guns so the track record is there with Springfield. So maybe we shouldn't be too surprised it's a good gun.
i got the Echelon, but i got it mid Dec. n it was sold out everywhere near me so i had to order it online, so in my state there are extra fees for EVERYTHING. so it ended up being like 700 bc i had taxes, shipping, paperwork fee (to process), fee for the papers (for the actual papers), the receiving fee, n a fee for using my check card... i just moved here so i didnt know they did all that but i got it super quick, it came in the next day. anyway i have put 750 rounds of monarch 115 grain fmj (the Academy special lol) n about 300 rounds of various defensive rounds, n i has run smooth. other ppl have fired it at the range they liked it. it's a firearm made to be easy to use. it's good beginners n for ppl who are not ready to dump 2500+ on a 2011... YET
Echelon vs Shadow Systems would be an interesting comparison. I've been thinking of getting a polymer as I skipped them and went straight to 2011 when I went into this crazy world. Once I manage to get ahold of a CZ Shadow 2 compact, I'll have to figure out Echelon or Shadow Systems, so I can experience the Glock world without actually touching one.
I have a bunch of shadow systems and did a review of the echelon, the shadows stayed the echelon didn’t. The echelon is very good though, shadow is just better
I prefer the echelon over the shadow systems. I just feel the echelon is higher quality and had a better trigger out of the box. I did really like the SS grip though. The frame tolerances on the SS were not good IMO. If I swapped my mag release to the lefty side it would not lock back. The frame pins also felt a bit loose in the SS and some of the glock trigger kits had fitment issues.
I have one and love it. The only thing i didnt like is the polymer guide rod. So i put in a steel one. I do that with all of mine that have that. That's just me being nit-picky, though. I think it is a fantastic firearm.
I jumped around with pistols for a while. I had kinda drank the koolaid that Glock's weren't good...problem is, that Glock's are pretty damn good. I shoot them well even though it's been a while since I was only using Glock.
PS. I don't like Springfield, but I do like this gun...
I did the same thing and stayed away from Glock. I bought and sold - s&w mp, beretta p92 and px4, sig p226. I just could not consistently stay on target. I just burned through ammo hitting the berm behind the target.
Finally broke down and grabbed a Glock (47). I shoot it stock, something about the grip angle just works for me. I can get on target and stay on target.
Chris with the Gears reference. Also, you’re not fat buddy, just large
Hahaha 😂😂😂 thanks dude 👊🏼
@@Chrisblau I identify as husky
I hope someone comes out with an aftermarket magazine release that makes it reversible and not ambi.
Apex Tactical does
I’ve got about 100 rounds ran through mine. The slide release is very tight. Other than that I really like it. Hoping it holds up as well as the Hellcat.
That gun is the best bang for the buck period .compared to glock or cz or hk doesn't matter its fucking phenomenal. And u can get for 500$ the only gun that's even close to that is the canik tps elite
Those gaps around the optic hurt me right in the soul. Will you be reviewing the “new” TRP?
Great video as always! I rented the echelon and was surprisingly happy with it. Also you are in trouble, Tisas just came out with a 2011 🤣
I did a crappy little review on my channel. I'm not a fan of the optic mounting system, just because by making it universal, smaller optics leave big open spaces. Functionality is great. Aesthetically, it bothers me. But all around a good gun. I prefer my M&P, but it's still a good gun.
Can you elaborate please ? Do you mean for example , that specifically, a micro red dot doesn't completely fill the space provided ? Is that your main complaint ?
Thank you in advance for your feedback.
And to be fair , that's a valid complaint.
@davidgaines8607 Just nitpicking but also being honest, I would Carry it and trust it if it were my only gun. I did have another issue though, the trigger pinched my finger , about 4 or 5 times in 500 rds. I think trigger safety has a small gap that kept catching. Not a huge deal but that was my experience.
@@Average_Joe_Arms I've read other comments on here and seen at least one about bolts sheering. Perhaps that is directly related to the gaps . So like I said , probably a valid complaint. Though I have an "mos" gun with gaps and so far so good.
The built in gas pedals are the future and don't know why it's taken so long. I've cut a little on alot of my frames because it helps.
Have no clue why it’s taken so long either but happy manufactures are coming around
@@Chrisblau yeah just a little lege for thumbs forward grip makes a huge difference
I am with you on "pay to upgrade". If it's not solid right out of the box, why are we even here?!
I have one the threaded and night sight model, best feeling gun in my hand. Flattest shooter I have, and the most accurate that I have. I have a Glock, cz p10c, canik sf9 elite and the echelon is the best shooter of them all and my favorite. Second would be p10c and canik (their tiggers are amazing) then the Glock.
They make shims for in between the optic and slide
Y'all should do a video on the Beretta PX4G-SD from Langdon tactical with that weird X300 mounted comp thing. Weird enough to be interesting and seems nice. I want to see some videos made on that gun.
😉😉 you’re wish might come true
See you in a couple weeks
24:14 illustrates a VERY dangerous trend in modern handgunnery. Pistols have become so reliable that any malfunction is met with near delightful curiosity, instead of deadly serious focus and an instant trained response.
This is the sort of thing that gets people killed in close personal defense situations when semiautos jam up. First, there's confusion, then shock, then panic, then death. All because their response to a stoppage while training has always been "Oh! Would you look at that?... gee wiz, it's a failure to feed! Get a picture!"
If you EVER experience a stoppage while firing an autoloading pistol, even in simple, calm shooting at the range, you need to IMMEDIATELY and RAPIDLY clear the jam and get the gun back on target. You WILL fight how you train, so treat the clearing of every hangun stoppage as if your life depends on it.
So highly inaccurate. But I’m sure you used to be on Delta Force
@1911syndicate Nope. Just a regular guy noticing obvious trends... You responded, though.
Had I actually said something silly and inaccurate, I doubt you would've taken the time. Take care 🙂
Imagine talking about your skills and behind a screen while having the ability to show the whole world those skills John Wick. You probably don’t shoot competitions cause “it causes bad habits that don’t translate in a real world scenarios”. Am I correct on that assumption?
@Chrisblau Are you threatening my dog? Because I really like my dog.. he's a good boy. Very easy to lead around on a leash, just like.... well, I think you know who 😉
Ego is to a fragile man what a nose ring is to a bull. I had completely forgotten about this comment until I saw your notification 😂 It's cute that you're thinking about me.
Keep practicing and stay safe 👋🏻
If Springfield managed to make a gun that doesn't jam like a Bob Marley album, pigs are gonna start flying soon.
All of mine have been very reliable, up until I got rid of them lol
unlike the prodigy Springfield does not make the Echelon. HS Produkt does.
@@leesamuelson That explains it then
I only looked at one. I thought is was big for a carry pistol, more of a duty pistol, and that was with the stock grip and I have big hands. I guess I'll have to take another look. Good review.
Most polymer pistols have what they call birthday bump its called tactical reloads. Smith&Wesson m&p glock , springfield, taurus, Sig, they all have that feature if you slam the mag in with the slide back it drops while chamering a round
I too installed the "Large" grip module on my Echelon, & I love it so far
I am not a glock fan at all, but I can't stand the term "glock killer" . How about glock alternative. Great video fellas.
I like my xdm and I'm thinking about picking one of these up. If I do tho my xdm probably won't get any love anymore tho
grip texture, ambi controls, optics cut, single or double stage triggers, flat face triggers, are all standard items on the majority of budget polymer guns my guy
I'm just hoping they (or anyone) come out with a grip module that has a 1911/2011 grip angle.
JMB had it right over a century ago
Archon type B has FCU also i believe
Does it? Dang good to know man thank you 👊🏼 the sig fcu is just fresh in everyone’s mind right now which is why I drew the comparison.
@@Chrisblau Oh I understand... It's the best know FCU platform
@@hopewilliams6705 100% just a easier correlation 👊🏼 thank you for watching and commenting
I love mine it's a great truck pistol . 1,230 rounds no hiccup
Can’t wait for the Daniel h9
Working on it
Wonder how these will compare to the new czp10 chassis pistol. Polished feed ramp and beveled chamber face. Frame just has the prefect shape and stippling, slide cuts/wings in just the right spot. Genius design with the optic mounting too. Expecting disappointment, came out pleasantly surprised.
I hate how polymer pistols call themselves "Glock Killers" when really, they are just "Glock Innovators".
They can't be without Glock.
1911s CAN be Glock killers because they are something other than striker-fired polymer pistols.
It is its own thing.
So while innovators do Glock better, Glock did it bigger.
Same with 1911s.
All glocks will drop the slide when locked open and inserting a new mag
That has happened for years. People are acting like it’s something new.
Glocks do the same thing, full mag slams slide home…..
Historically that hasn’t been the case for me. Here and there yes but not predictably
@@1911syndicate it’s a godsend in competition. I’ll be honest though, mainly in my Gen 5 Glocks
If that’s new to the Gen 5 awesome but the gen 3-4 do not do that in my experience and in Jake’s experience as he said above.
@@Chrisblau happens with more pistols than Glock…just something I’ve noticed with polymer pistols.
A lot of the guns coming out are fantastic. That said I hate the fact that there's not a industry standard mag. $40-$50 for a magazine is excessive. A lot of the aftermarket stuff is crap. We really need a company to start making alternatives to proprietary gear
Ok boys...Canik rival s can't go wrong
Sounds like the gun Jake is describing that he wants in a polymer frame is the PSA Sabre Dagger 😏
are the mags all fixed now?
Well, I'm officially considering it since it's now in OD Green. My question is, is there a good selection of holsters available?
Rented Echelon at the range and it shot well. Just waiting for it to be on California roster
Glock has been dethroned for a long time now people just have too much invested in glock to change even if they wanted to. I started on Glock 30 some years ago. There is nothing special about it compared to what is out there today. You always get the Glock staple gun trigger and plastic sights and plastic mags. I still have a 19 but its not even in my top 5 favorite striker poly guns anymore.
No they haven’t