*VIDEO FAQs.* Thank you to everyone who has commented and shared their views, if you scroll down thorough the comments then you'll probably find most questions being answered but these are some of the most frequently asked questions and I will edit it to add more if needs be: *Was I paid to make the video? Or, Do I work for Qatar Airways?* No I am not paid by or part of Qatar Airways, I have never had any conversations with Qatar Airways and I have never been offered money or any free flights or any other inducement to make a video for Qatar Airways. If an airline did pay me or gave me the flight for free this would be made clear in the first 60 seconds of the video. I also highly doubt that, if I was being paid to make the video, Qatar Airways would allow me to leave in the dirty tray tables, the poor USB charging points and my view of their headphones. *What about Qatar and construction at FIFA's World Cup / employees being killed / ANY other political statement* This isn't a political channel. This is a light hearted and fun travel channel. This video is focused on the rights of the workers that Josh Cahill films. *Are you saying Josh Cahill is dishonest?* This is my honest review of my Qatar Airways economy flight and that is the only reference to honesty. I am making no comments on Josh Cahill’s honesty. *The cabin crew were fired, that is bad / should not happen.* We don’t actually know what happened to the cabin crew. Josh Cahill hasn’t provided any evidence to this effect, he has said what he thinks may have happened. Qatar Airways have, to my knowledge, made no comment on this matter. In short I don’t know what happened to them. *Were Qatar “Right” to ban Josh Cahill?* It’s not how I would have handled it but once they reached a certain point in their communication, I don’t know what else they could do. I would urge everyone to read Josh’s email in his banned and bribed video at timestamp 17.52. I believe that Josh wouldn’t be allowed to fly on Qatar Airways again unless he agreed not to film the crew, but time will tell. *What’s wrong with filming the cabin crew?* These are human beings trying to earn a living. I don’t know where else you are permitted to film people as they go about their work in a private place. It has been suggested that you could film in my local supermarket, Tesco, but I can assure you that you cannot. Permission must be sought if you with to film there. *But Josh claims he got permission.* There are two things here. Firstly, if it is against the cabin crew’s employment contract to allow themselves to be filmed then they cannot give permission. Josh is told by a cabin manager that he is not permitted to film, any claims of getting permission after this is moot. However, even is Josh Cahill gets permission to film the crew he would need to explain the context in which he intends to use the footage for that permission to be valid. Unless Josh said, “I just filmed you and I want to tell my audience that you turned your back on me and you were so cold and unmotivated, can I show your face please?”, then any claims of permission are false in my view.
Thank you for your interesting take on JC. Just a bit curious why you think Josh was banned because of the filming permission issue. He states they personally told him it wasn't the issue. Isn't it clear it's because he wouldn't take down the negative review? Also, I imagine you must now get permission to film aboard their flights. It seems JC did not do anything different than any other reviewer who wishes to be sensitive to filming crew members. So why do you imply he refuses to comply with their policy on future flights? Thanks
@@cchris874 This is my second reply to your comment I think UA-cam had a wobbler, so if a second reply appears from me, that's why. It is some time since I watched Josh Cahill's videos, made mine and wrote the FAQs, so you have me at a disadvantage here, but I don't agree with the premise of your question, I don't believe I have implied anything. In Josh's videos I don't recall any evidence that he was banned for making a negative review. There is ample evidence that he is not allowed to film the crew, when he is told not to and then when he is forced to blur the faces after the video is released (and that he is filming from within his jacket?) Josh also flashes up onto the screen some of his emails to Qatar, which contain narrow questions that form a logical fallacy. It is difficult to have a conversation when someone makes a statement as part of their questions, for example your question, "So why do you imply he refuses to comply with their policy on future flights?" Simply put I don't agree that I have implied anything, so I cannot answer your question. Problems are solved when open questions are asked, not closed ones like that. To answer your question about filming on Qatar, I have filmed three flights since Josh released his, I was reminded that filming the crew was not allowed and I agreed. I promised not to film the crew directly and blur any faces that appeared accidentally I hope this helps you understand my point of view, but do feel free to come back to me if you wish to discuss this further, Regards Phil
@@mygreygapyear Thanks, I do appreciate seeing different points of view. I realize it's been a while since Josh's video came out. I just though out of curiosity if we could resolve something. You state that "Josh is told by a cabin manager that he is not permitted to film." My memory is not what it used to be, but I just watched again the entire 20 minute video, and I see no mention that a cabin manager tells him this. Is this from another video? Thanks
@@cchris874 You watched the whole thing? I don't think you did mate, ua-cam.com/video/pPZ69ff-OKA/v-deo.html time stamp is 8.11 then Josh talks about it (so ya didn't watch it, did ya?) [FROM THE VIDEO: "Right at the door I'm told off not to film... ]
@@mygreygapyear Sorry I was referring to the 20 minute "bribe" video made 4 months later That is the one I re-watched yesterday. I hope you realize this is a misunderstanding. Thanks. The older video I watched several weeks ago and didn't remember that two second segment (I told you my memory isn't perfect, didn't I?) :) :). So I watched it gain just now, and I do agree with you. Maybe the reason it didn't register is because Josh says "fine with me," as if he is going to comply. Puzzling to be sure, now that I watched it again. With this point now resolved (all my fault) the final question I have is, Josh claims that ("bribe video") "I asked about the Privacy 6:44 whether they've been concerned about 6:46 faces being shown though I had 6:48 permission from the crew members that I 6:50 interact with on the flight and they 6:52 said no we don't have any concerns about 6:54 privacy whatsoever . . . " If this is true, then why would it not be just as plausible that the reason for the ban is that QR was angry about the bad PR fallout from the original video, and not violating the filming policy? Is it just coincidence that this was a very critical review? Thank you, and if you would like to continue, please let's try to assume the best of motives. :)
I am with Josh. That seat was filthy. Food I can live with, service I can live with, but that grime and dirt was horrible. I wouldn't want to sit in it. The FAs could have been nicer, but the cleaners are the ones who feel down on the job.
Thank you for sharing your views, much appreciated. It is helpful and interesting to find what viewers find the more important factors. For example, if a tray table is missed then I can get it cleaned, in the same way if I sit at an uncleared table in a busy bar/restaurant I know the table will be cleared and wiped for me. However a number of viewers have expressed how important a clean tray table is to them. As I explained in the video, there were delays at Melbourne due to weather conditions, and this may have shortened the time the cleaning crew had to clean the aircraft. This isn't an excuse for missing a row of tray tables, but it would explain how this human error could have happened and that this isn't the normal service that Qatar would offer. Again, I am grateful to you for sharing your views, it really is very helpful, Phil
I agree 👍 with you the seats weren't clean furthermore being told that some foods were not available and only choice left were noodle dishes which I accepted due to been told nothing other was, which was cold rubbery not for consumption 😮 my husband went to have it heated up & saw the air hostess hoeing into the meat dishes which I first wanted, how inappropriate was that caught out‼️‼️‼️‼️ the service was one of least which I could call acceptable. Hope they improve in future.
Flight home 5 weeks ago with qatar.. Found it pretty OK.. Did find one of the staff members abit abrupt but everything else seamed good.. As well as the bathroom.. On economy that was.. On josh cahill I find him truthful and on point with many things.. He does not seem to buddy up to airlines or enlighten them of his attendance like another flight blogger we all know.. Yes sometimes it looks petty but it's his job as he sees it to get us value for money, safely landed and respected as paying customers.. I will say that 1 bad flight does not make it a bad airline and the tit for tat between them was not a good look for both party's.. I still fly qatar and I still watch and follow josh cahill..
Whether you believe their economy class to be good or bad, I think everyone should be able to agree however still that Qatar’s response to his video was very over the top, banning someone and sacking cabin crew should never have been done. I think their economy class only lacks when you get their older aircraft, otherwise they have a perfectly fine economy class product.
Thank you for your feedback, a very reasonable and measured view, much appreciated. If the cabin crew were fired then I would agree that this an over reaction to Josh's video, but I'm not aware of any evidence that they have been. If you could the timestamp of Josh Cahill's video that offers evidence then I'd appreciate it. And, if the crew were fired, then I think Josh Cahill should offer to support them. He is clearly successful and in a position to financially compensate them. I would like to experience their older aircraft, if anyone can recommend a route I can try I'd appreciate it. Thank you Phil Phil
@@mygreygapyear I think he claimed to have heard it from someone who worked at Qatar Airways. They tend to use older planes in shorter routes, and because of their dispute with Airbus over the a350 they had to use older planes for longer. When I flew from Manchester-Doha last year I got an a former Virgin Australia 777, which Qatar hadn’t changed the interior of so the economy class was quite dated and not the actual Qatar product. Their a330 aircraft are also quite old.
The second part of my flight home was from Doha to Manchester but I'd managed to get a business redemption, I wonder if they've updated it since? Was it still in Virgin colours? I'd live to try that out.
@smilesmite6682 Another coincidence we share, an A380 in economy into Heathrow was supposed to be my flight home but I managed to switch it to Manchester, which is much closer to me than Heathrow.
I think this proves Josh Cahill's review to be honest! The inconsistency of Qatar's product and dependant on the mood of the crew due to fatigue - which I believe they are addressing at the moment with the new CEO making some positive adjustments. On one flight with Qatar you may get a brand new A350-1000 with all the latest seats, hard products etc but on another you my get a tired, battered old cabin 777-300ER yet on another you could get a retrofitted 777-300ER cabin etc etc. Completely inconsistent and Qatar banning a customer for a flight review on that terrible product which is on the A330 just shows the silencing culture at Qatar airways unable to speak out about it and to resolve the problem they just try to delete it completely.
Thank you for sharing your views, it's much appreciated. I want to be clear, I'm giving my honest review of my flight, I make no comment on Josh Cahill's honesty. And also, regarding silencing culture, I'm not aware of any official statement or comment made by Qatar Airways so I only know what Josh Cahill has told us. I do, however, disagree with Josh on his review of Qatar Airways and, as I've said in other comments, this is based on the footage he has provided. I suspect that Qatar Airways took the decision to ban Josh Cahill because: 1. They felt the video was unfair 2. They were unhappy with the way Josh managed the meeting they had afterwards. 3. His emails that he put up on the screen seemed to me to be bad tempered to the point of being unprofessional (did you pause the video and read them?) Why would they fight with him over unfair videos if they can just prevent him from making them in the first place? So on this basis I think it is an entirely reasonable response from Qatar Airways. I do want to try some of their old crappy cabins if you know of some of the routes and could let me know in these comments then I would appreciate it. Thank you for sharing your views, Phil
I 💯 agreed with what Josh Cahill said, Qatar should have handled it better other than banning him. It just shows how they silenced people using their power.
I agree. I found Josh to be quite fair and professional in his dealings with Qatar. It was inappropriate for QA to ban him at least for the reasons given.
@BSGSV and @nkbaby1069 : Thank you for sharing your views, I think we'll have to just disagree on this, but I will urge you to read the email in the banned and bribed video (timestamp 17.52) and consider the closed language and logical fallacy that Josh Cahill is using (just google "logical fallacy" if you don't know what I mean), followed by "why is that?". The Qatar Airlines response simply states that they do not accept these statements made by Josh, therefore they cannot comment on them. They then refer to Josh Cahill's alleged breech of Qatari law, which they say Josh Cahill has yet to address (if anyone's interested his booking reference is in that email) When I read those two emails it told me everything I needed to know about why Josh Cahill was banned. I do wonder if the allegations are was civil or criminal and what would happen if he returned to Doha via British Airways perhaps. Now that is a video I'd like to see 😊 Again, thank you for sharing your views, some additional information on why you feel the way you do would be much appreciated, I am open minded and when the facts change my views change with them. All the very best, Phil
Just flown 4 flights in Qatar economy. Two from Manchester to Doha on 777's, and two from Doha to Bangalore on A350's. The 777's were tired and shabby, with broken Oryx systems (headphones were more mono and frozen flight map) and a lousy selection of content (and yes different on different planes on the same route). The toilet basin water also had run out by halfway through one flight. The A350-1000's were obviously a different class of service and condition being very new. Despite the staff being decent enough, the worst thing was that a group of passengers had befriended an attendant, and were talking to them at the galley - standing up all the time. The attendant made them all coffee in the galley area whilst chatting, not from the aisle trolley service. They continued to stand up clogging the galley/toilet aisle area and talk with the attendant, drinking their coffee even when going through rough turbulence, when obviously up the fasten seatbelt sign came on! Meanwhile, at the very same time another cabin attendant was coming through with the drinks / snack trolley, but told anyone who asked for coffee (= me) that they could not have one as she was not allowed to serve hot water when the return to seat / seatbelt on sign was lit! Yet we were literally watching the staff's newly befriended passengers happily drinking their personally made by staff coffee standing up in the galley area!😮. Hypocrisy, double standards, friendly staff losing their judgement? Call it what you like, and it seems a petty complaint but it really annoyed lots of us in the seats closest aware of what was going on. Add to all this a truly shambolic boarding process at Manchester and I have to say that Qatar's reputation of economy being close to others premium economy in my opinion is not deserving at all. One last thing, why an amenity kit on one leg of the journey and not on another? All the flights were classed as long haul, so either do it for all or don't Qatar, but having no standardisation is bizarre and stupid.
Thank you for sharing your views. I have to admit I usually do for a walk to the back of the plane in economy, and hang out in the rear galley for a while. A leg stretch and a drink breaks up the journey a little. But very unusual to let passengers stand and drink coffee when the seatbelt sign is on. The FA who refused you coffee was correct and you'd be glad they did if the plane suddenly dropped 1000 feet. Of course that doesn't change the level of frustration you feel. Thank you again for sharing your views on Qatar Airways, this is very helpful when other viewers are considering booking flights. Phil
As a QR crew, we were delighted when Josh published his video and many jumped to the comments section to voice their issues with the airline management at the time, unfortunately, Josh’s following video told the crew “if you don’t like your job, then quit” which Left us with a horrible taste in our mouths. To his credit, your flight is among the preferred ones among the crew as Australians and British don’t cause as many issues onboard as the bread and butter of the airline do on the typical European and American destinations. Loved the video and I hope you enjoyed the trip, hope to see you on a flight one day ^w^
Thank you for your comment and for sharing your views. I am surprised that Qatar crew were happy about what Josh said about the crews he had, he basically said you were worse than useless, no? Cold, tuning your back, not saying hello, no interest in the passengers, and so on. And then Josh said, as he's filmed the crew and not blurred their faces and they could be identified, they all got sacked! I'm glad you enjoyed the video, I've flown a fair bit with Qatar and I haven't had a bad crew and I'm always greeted warmly at the aircraft door, if I'm on one of your flights say hi. Thanks Phil
I have been a qatar customer since 1997 they have improved a lot and I would never use any other airline can’t be beaten compared to British airways which has gone downhill there are 2 airlines whose service are the best QATAR and EMIRATES.
Thanks for your comment and for sharing your views, although I still find BA to be one of my favourite airlines, I agree that Qatar are an excellent airline.
I was a big fan of QR when my family traveled business class and economy. I have only traveled economy. 2023 I saw a sharp decline in the quality of their product and they started charging for ever economy seat except middle class. This bothered me as my wife had to travel emergency on bereavement and chosen an aisle seat due to severe shoulder issues. The allocation never got confirmed and it was a lot of tears and a kind supervisor who got her a decent seat. On the way back, she paid for a decent seat. My point is she raked up enough points to get lounge access but they weren’t kind on a compassionate note to treat her well when she was grieving. If an airline only cares about bottom line, then my loyalty is lost no matter what UA-cam and a review tells me. Content generation and influencers may have biased views but true story, Qatar is trying to maximize revenue by itemizing charges but doesn’t care about economy. Truly made me feel like cattle class. Dignity and honor is something that cannot be compromised.
Thank you for sharing your views. I'm perhaps a little confused, it sounds like there was an issue with her seat selection but the cabin manager helped her get a seat that met her medical needs? But there was a separate issue on another flight where your wife felt that she wasn't treated very well and this was at a difficult time as she was travelling due to a bereavement. So let me say this, my cabin crew were perfectly adequate and I had no issues but then I also didn't have any particular needs and I think it's when cabin crews meet these out of the ordinary situations that the good ones shine and the others let themselves down. It sounds like in your wife's situation the crew should have done better. Thank you for sharing your experience, Phil
Every flight is different, either you fly on the worst airline ever or the best. The worst airline's experience can be better sometimes then the world's best airline.
I flew a round trip from Manchester to Kuala Lumpur via Doha in January with 2 of the legs being on 777’s. I found the seats to be very uncomfortable with seats either side of me occupied. The seats had very little padding and at the end of the flight my back hurt. The food and drink was good. The crew were professional but at the same time appeared like they were all new to the role, and service was painfully slow. I think it all comes down to your expectations.
Thank you for your comment and your support. I can't remember if I mention it in the video but the seat padding does give me the old numb bum, where I didn't get it as much with Malaysia. If I was flying Qatar economy again I would definitely book the aisle so I could get up frequently without disturbing anyone.
I have flown Cph-Doha-BKK with respectively A380-800 and Boeing 787-9. I think both pitch and width are small. I had a backpack under the seat in front, and since the seat in front was reclined, I had NO possibility of reaching my bag during the entire flight - but it's still nice that they can be reclined a lot, since you often need a nap on long distances . I also think the width is narrow. (I'm a small person, and with those seats, I don't want to be bigger). I think it's good that you get 2 choices regarding food. Service on the flight fine.
Thanks for your comment, I didn't even think about trying to get my bag out with the seat in front reclined, thinking about it now, I agree, it would be very difficult / impossible to get at my bag during the flight if I was on a full row with the person in front reclined. And thank you for letting me know that you found the seats narrow, I found them narrow, but good to hear others feel the same way. Thanks, Phil
As frequent flin Qatarairway. I recently travelled from Doha to Kathmandu on business class and found degraded in some facilities, i.e., no amenity kit, did not sereved wine during my main meal which O already ordered. Lack of Crew response. Now, I am travelling back to Doha again, I will double check .😅😅
Thanks for your comment, it's a real shame you didn't get a brilliant experience, these business flights are expensive and you deserve better. I recently took three Qatar Airways business flights and I got two different amenity kits. The daytime kit was a small cardboard box wrapped in a ribbon and the overnight flight had a more substantial one in a proper wash bag. On the crews, one seemed very rushed and stressed but the others were perfect. I hope you have a perfect return flight and a wonderful trip, Phil
Thank you for your question, I received no payment in cash of flights or anything from Qatar Airways, I guess the dirty tray tables would have been cut if they had... I am getting bored of typing this now, please scroll down...
Josh is an experienced flight reviewer with hundreds more flight hours under his belt than you. He’s flown Qatar dozens of times so he’s got a good baseline to critique flights off of. Qatar deserved to be skewered exponentially more than what they got.
Thank you for your comment and for sharing your views, I do appreciate it. I agree with you that Josh Cahill is an experienced reviewer and will have flown significantly more flights than I have with more airlines in more classes. However, I disagreed with his review of Qatar Airways based on the footage that he provided. However, I respect your opinion and I have specifically asked viewers to share their views, and I thank you for sharing, Phil
Josh Cahill is the most arrogant, ego-maniacal, narcissistic, disrespectful, self-absorbed travel "vlogger" online that is more concerned with keeping the camera on himself with 75%+ average running time of each video centered on his face in his desperate attempt for fame. And don't get me started on his over-priced garbage he calls "merchandise". I hope more airlines ban him and I pity any passenger condemned to sit near him on any given flight.
@@AudiS4B7 wow it looks like my comment hit hard enough for @QatarAirways to troll me. You coulda picked a better fake username than a hunk a junk Audi
@ffrich34 I would proper love that, if an official at Qatar Airways had made that Josh's mum comment 😂😂😂 Unfortunately I doubt they know this channel exists. Again, thank you for sharing your views, Phil
The cleanliness was fine on the flights I took, but the seats were truly excruciating after a few hours. I remember my flights on Air France and Aer Lingus economy to be relatively comfortable with better legroom.
Flight experience also depends on route and point of origin. Planes, lounges, ground staff, catering service, cabin crew, or passenger quality may be different, even if it's the same airline. And flying from Tokyo to New York on ANA or JAL is not always the same experience as flying from New York to Tokyo, because it's often difficult to get the same level of quality catering from the US. If I recall Mr. Cahill was flying from Colombo, Sri Lanka to Doha. Comparing that route with a flight from Melbourne, is comparing apples and oranges. Both flights are indeed one aspect of Qatar Airways experience, but both flights are only one of the many experiences. Frequent flyers should already know that taking one random flight and judging and generalizing an entire airline is not really logical nor accurate.
Your review comparison with Josh is a bit biased. You are not comparing the same product and experience since it's not the same aircraft and route. Josh is pointing out a decline after having experienced many flights with QA. The aircraft condition, cleaningness and the service was not up to the standard QA has been known for. If you want to make a video to compare your review to Josh, I encourage you to take the same route and aircraft to provide a fair review.
Thank you for sharing your views, I guess there is always an element of bias in flight reviews, each flight is one person's view on one flight, Josh Cahill didn't like his but I would continue to recommend Qatar Airways. Great idea to take a flight on the same route though. Of course I might struggle to find the exact plane that Josh Cahill flew on, it's the only one (of four?) on that route.
@@mygreygapyear you might find out that some airlines prioritize their good aircraft and best staff on routes towards 1st world countries whilst giving outdated aircrafts and poor service for some other countries. I've seen this many times. This said, with QA we should expect the same quality on all flights . Otherwise take down their rewards. But what bothers me in your review is the angle you chose. It's one thing to disagree staying factual but disregarding the experience of Josh like you did makes it sound like you just want to be in the good papers of QA and eventually get some free flights. You clearly saw in the washroom state and the condition of the cabin. It's ok if you had a good experience with them on your specific flight but the right thing is for you to look up for the aircraft , and fly to Colombo.
Thank you for sharing your views, it is much appreciated. I don't care about getting free flights from anyone, do you really think that QR would have allowed me to keep dirty tray tables in the video? Airlines are businesses and make commercial decisions. And customers have a choice, there is no requirement for you to fly Qatar Airways, if they flight poor quality aircraft pick another carrier, or Josh could have picked a different Qatar flight with newer equipment, they fly five times per day from Colombo. But of course this wouldn't have made the flight review he wanted to make, normal economy flights are pretty boring, they need a hook and he found it in old equipment. So I disagree with Josh Cahill's review based on the footage he has provided (one toilet has a wet floor, the other one looks ok though?), I've covered this extensively in other replies, please do read them, I've quickly whizzed down and done a copy and paste job from one of them. Thanks again for sharing, Phil ### COPIED FROM A PREVIOUS COMMENT FROM @shidulislam5932 ### Essentially I disagree with Josh Cahill's review of Qatar Airways based on the footage provided by Josh Cahill. Let me demonstrate that I've watched the videos by giving you some examples: 1. I disagree that the crew member was "...turning their back on me without saying hello, being super cold... " (timestamp 2.51) It is my view that the crew members were trying to make space for Josh to walk through the galley and/or trying to avoid being filmed. Josh also claims that the rest of the crew "absolutely lacked motivation" which I feel is harsh criticism. as both crew members are in the aisle welcoming passengers. 2. Josh claims that he is offered two choices and that this is "underwhelming" (timestamp 10.26) In the follow up video where Emirates "saves" Josh Cahill he doesn't comment on the number of meal choices. If any airline that fails to provide three or more economy meal choices is underwhelming then why does Josh single out Qatar Airways? How many of Josh Cahill's past videos does he even tell his loyal viewers how many meal choices he has (so I think this may be an unfair criticism, perhaps biased?) 3. After telling us his server is the one "Beacon of Hope" (9.45) Josh complains of service being "uncoordinated, a bit hectic" (10.43). In my opinion Josh Cahill has now stopped reviewing a flight that seems perfectly adequate (the flight to London) and at this point I feel that Josh is looking for things to complain about. I especially dislike the personal attacks on the crew using emotive language like "unmotivated" and " super cold". These crew members are not public figures (like politicians or UA-camrs) who have put themselves in the public eye and cannot complain about publicity, they are simply the cabin crew trying to do their job top the best of their abilities. But I'll go further, they are son's and daughters, they are brothers and sisters and some of them will be mothers and fathers. The crew didn't ask to go on UA-cam. In fact Josh Cahill was told clearly that he wasn't allowed to film the crew (8.12) and then complains about how he's told he's not allowed to film (8.15). But of course, he's Josh Cahill, the rules don't apply to him. He continues to film (and is subsequently banned by Qatar Airways for filming on flights, he can't say he wasn't told can he?). ##### END OF COPY AND PASTE ####
It's a mixed bag I'm afraid, they have Boeing 777, as well as Airbus A350 and an A380. If you're business class you probably want the A350 which should have Qsuite on it, but if you're in economy then you can sit upstairs on the A380 :) If you look at your flight number have a look on Google flights (the flight booking engine) and it should tell you what equipment each flight is scheduled to have on it. Have a great trip Phil
Thanks for sharing your views. I use a go pro (same camera that Josh Cahill uses) which doesn't work great in low light but other people do get good videos out of it so maybe I need to learn how to use it 😉.
3 choices in Saudia economy. A bun without any butter or cheese is usually not preferred but that is a norm at Qatar Airways, unlike Emirates or Saudia. I am afraid I would agree with Josh that economy class in Qatar Airways is a bit underwhelming
Thank you for sharing you views, and thank you for being the first person (I think) to tell me how many economy meal options another airline offers, that is much appreciated. I am most grateful for your very interesting point about the absent butter for the roll, I didn't even notice that but I feel sure you're right, there was no butter, and I agree with you, that is poor. No I won't fight for Josh Cahill to be un-banned but I would like to start #reinstatethebutter. Thank you for your constructive and insightful comment, it is appreciated, Phil
Qatar economy class in my experience mirrored Josh’s experience. Toilets in particular were gross, no cleaning during the flight on a long haul, some serious health & safety concerns. Their business class is very good, some of that quality needs to be replicated a little on economy.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, that first toilet in Josh's video seemed bad (wet floor is never good) but the second one looked ok. How did you find the crew, mine were excellent.
@ I found them pleasant enough, I had the wet floor experience, I had to ask the crew to kindly clean the toilet as it was so bad I couldn’t use it. They did eventually oblige. Also I found that compared to Singapore airlines, who have at least 2 people per trolly per isle, Qatar only had one per isle in economy. Overall I think that SIA offer a better economy class product, given that most people fly economy more emphasis needs to be given to economy service by airlines. Qatar tends to focus on the business and first class more.
@@malpalmer3269 Yeah, I've seen that with Qatar (I think) with one member of staff per trolley. It was in a section with few passengers, so I'm not sure what it was like in the busier rear economy cabin.
I’ve just flown Dublin -Doha- bkk on 787-8 & 777-300 , the Dublin -Doha flight was absolutely horrendous with cabin crew bickering, cold dinner & lots more issues . Complaint made with no response
That sounds very bad, especially the bickering staff. One this I will agree on and will say is consistent with the Middle Eastern Super Carriers, zero customer support when things go wrong.
Qatar's handling of Cahill's criticism and their response was certainly pathetic. Qatar airways sucks. Totally. Maybe the aircrafts on certain sectors like Australia , Europe and US are decent, but their aircraft operating to South Asia are deliberately the worst. Racist and pathetic airline
Thank you for sharing your views, it's much appreciated. My personal view with Josh Cahill is that he didn't help himself, I think there's two sides to every story, if you scroll down to some of the other comments you can read more on my views there. Regarding Qatar Airways deliberately putting specific aircraft on certain routes: Yes. This is *obviously* deliberate. No airline randomly assigns aircraft to specific routes, I can imagine the planners rolling dice saying "Come on double six, mamma needs an A380 out of London". I would imagine these decisions are usually based on passenger numbers, seat revenue and things like that. I'm perplexed as to why this would be attributed to racism. If someone could explain to me why Qatar Airways would be prejudiced against it's own customers in a calm and measured way I would appreciate it. And if this is the case I am further baffled why anyone from these countries would fly with them. I hope my reply can be seen in the light it is meant, as a counter point for you to consider, but if you know why Qatar Airlines would be prejudiced and then how you know, I would want to hear about it, because that would be terrible. Thank you for sharing, Phil
@@mygreygapyear I am sure you understand that I was referring to condition of aircraft and not type of aircraft. As regards how I know what I know; well I have been flying across continents on business since 2002. As to why people from these countries still fly with them, it’s because of very simple reasons like 1. To travel to Qatar, they are quickest and cheapest 2. Not all are frequent flyers and hence don’t know they are being taken for granted and 3. Tickets are often booked by agents / employers etc
Thank you for giving me some additional feedback, I have a better understanding of the motivation for using Qatar Airways over other aircraft. I hope you understand I was trying to illustrate a point rather than be flippant on a serious point and the point is all airlines have different aircraft of different ages and they make deliberate decisions on where to fly those aircraft. That in and of itself is not racism. Malaysia fly an inferior product to Melbourne compared to the one they fly to London (and this is common on flights to Australia), but that is a commercial decision and not racism. I do genuinely appreciate your feedback and I do want to understand this racism claim better, thank you for sharing your views, Phil
@@TRUTHWINSALLWAYS Thanks for your question, regarding payment for this review of Qatar Airways Economy Class, Qatar airways didn't pay me anything. If Qatar had editorial control then I imagine the dirty tray table would not have made it into the video. I do discuss this in the FAQ pinned comment. The video is of course monetised so the UA-cam ads generate some revenue, but I have only had one flight video make an actual profit and this isn't it. Thank you again, Phil
@@TRUTHWINSALLWAYS Thank you for your comment, I am not lying and I am a little offended that you would accuse me of that. Let me say again, I have made a truthful, fair and unbiased video of an experience that I had in Qatar Airways Economy Class, and I was not paid by Qatar Airways or anyone else to make this video.
I’m not sure if this is the case but when booking avios flights on Qatar through BA you get free seats, I’m travelling from London to Brisbane and back and got extra legroom seats in the forward cabin on every flight, bare in mind this is 4 people travelling so quite a good perk if you ask me
Thanks for your comment, it is a big saving, especially if there's 4 of you. I've had mixed results booking through Oneworld airlines with BA status. Malaysia charged me for seat allocation (boooo...). This Qatar flight was booked on a BA codeshare so no issues there. Cathay Pacific didn't charge me for seat selection, might be status or might be that they don't charge in business (unlikely).
Morning Phil. That was a great review, I guess if you keep your expectations realistic you won't be disappointed. Certainly better than we get on US carriers. Your comments definitely demonstrated that famous "British sense of fairness".
We can agree or disagree with the styles a flight reviewer has and their reasoning, even their experience on board. The thing that has caused outrage is the reaction from the higher ups at the carrier. I think he tried to be as reasonable in sorting this issue as possible. Ultimately, the carrier has some great flights, some "standard" flights, and those leaving you with more to be desired. That said, I am looking to fly with the carrier in 9 months' time (depending on my budget).
Thanks for your comment and for sharing your views, I think I've covered your points in the FAQ but it's been a while. Essentially my issue with Josh Cahill's video was based on the footage that he provided, it seemed to me that he had booked that flight with the intention of "doing a hatchet job" on Qatar. Then, again based on the footage provided by Josh in his follow up video I really don't see what other option that Qatar had but to ban him. He had another flight booked, more preconceived "bad reviews" incoming? Anyway, those are my views, and I do appreciate you sharing yours, my flights with Qatar have generally been good, so I think you should book if you can afford it and I hope you have a brilliant trip. Thanks Phil
Have a 2 leg qatar economy flight this year and not looking forward to it after seeing this video. The seats look as narrow and thinly padded as a ryanair seat with the fuselage being intrusive for the window occupant. Cant imagine being bunched in a row of 3 with other passengers on those. Plus the poor quality headphones with non working usb ports and no power supply. Unfortunately i feel that your view of not expecting these things from an airline is misguided, especially when its an airline vying to be the best in the world which charges top whack for any class, at the end of the day we’re the paying customers and they’re offering us a service. If the hard or soft product has issues which results in them not being offered as advertised then they should be called out on them. Oh and the filthy tray tables from previous passengers meals would be absolutely horrid to discover.
Thank you for sharing your views, I do appreciate it. I do wonder if I'd be piling on with Qatar bashing if I'd had to spend the entire flight in that window seat for 14 hours, but I can only talk about my experience, all these flight reviews are basically one persons view of one flight. If you suffer from "Numb Bum" then I would think about a cushion and an aisle seat so you can get up regularly. If you can't get a refund on your ticket then, after this upcoming experience, I would vote with your feet and chose a different airline, but I'm yet to find any economy class that is much more than A to B The seat from London to Kuala Lumpur in Economy with Malaysia was more comfortable than this one. Thank you again for sharing your views, and I hope the video has forewarned you at least to take some sanitising wipes 😊 I hope you do end up having a pleasant trip, Phil
It's just the life of the economy passenger, typically chasing for the cheapest trip. I did a double leg amsterdam-doha-cape town (18 hours in the air) and is exacty as you discribe and fear. Especially at he window the space is so narrow, no wonder people are spilling their food and drinks. When all passengers walk out, the cabin is a complete mess with blankets, food items, cans and cups, headphones all over the plane and very sticky chairs from coke and snacks. It's completely logical plane is not sterile clean. It would take 10 persons two or more days to reset the interior.
Thank you for sharing your views, I agree with you, the life of the economy passenger chasing the cheapest trip, and this is what Qatar and all other carriers have to deal with.
I have had 8 flights with Qatar. First ever flight I had food poisoning. Trip from Doha to Hanoi, they missed my bag and never assigned me the seat I paid for. So a 25 % failure,. The drinks were fine but the food was really average. The staff were inconsistent, some good, some average, some acted as we were an inconvenience to them. They are an average airline, no way a 5 star. The Asian airlines are much better.
Thanks for your comment, I've found Qatar Airways to be more expensive than other airlines, certainly on the routes that I tend to fly, so I think if one in four flights are disastrous it's time to vote with your feet and book with another airline.
Have flown last October 4 sectors with Qatar in business, the seat product is great, but I found that the service didn't match the hard product. One segment had the most appalling and ignorant staff. On that basis I would not fly them again.
Thank you for sharing your views, dissatisfaction with the cabin crew is a running theme and it does seem that Qatar Airways needs to address this. My crew were fine but others seem to have poor experiences. I'd appreciate it if you could give some examples of how the crew were bad. Thanks Phil
@@mygreygapyear Felt staff just didn't want to be there. Robotic and no smiles not even a greeting. Had a broken seat on 1 segment, flight attendant basically blamed me for it. Tried to be polite and signal them to fix but didn't want to know about it. Rang the bell and they had a look at it and said they would come back and they didnt. Until I said I would make and official complaint did they start helping, manually re-set seat. The time it took I missed out on meal service. Complained to airline but was fobbed off and offered Avios which was never received. It is a systemic rot in this airline from the head down. Staff are treated like slaves and are continuously tired.
I mean that is awful, if that had been my experience on this flight, or Josh's experience for that matter, I would definitely feel differently. Missing a meal on an economy flight is always a disappointment, it's the one thing that breaks them up. I hope you were able to get some compensation, a few Avios after the fact can ease the pain. Thanks for following up, much appreciated, Phil
Thnx for the fun video. A little hint to avoid that awful flickering in the video: Obviously your framerate of the camera matched with the frequency of the electric power in the airport. Just adjust the framerate a little, like 48fps or 52fps instead of 50, and the flickering will be gone. :)
Thanks for your comment and your tip. Is that a standard thing that electric lights run at that frequency or do lights run at different frequencies? The reason I ask is that the flickering isn't obvious when I'm recording and looking at the screen. I have also updated my camera from a GoPro to a Sony, so hopefully that will help :) Thanks Again, Phil
@mygreygapyear 50Hz is a quite common standard in the power grid. Unfortunately 50fps is a common standard, too. 😂 The monitor of the camera has a different framerate, that's the reason why you don't see the flickering when filming. And by the way, congrats for your new camera. 👍👌
@@mygreygapyear Oh I forgot a detail: Not only the very same frequency causes flickering, an integer fraction or an integer multiple of it does, too. So, maybe your cam is set to a framerate of 25fps, which is exact half of 50. If that's the case, just change it to 24 or 26fps.
Nice mate! Doha does have a premium customs and security which is really great. I don't know with 100% certainty although I'd have guessed that One World emeralds would be granted access. I've also found that you can only QR awards if you have a 24hr+ layover in Doha. I suspect they're trying to encourage tourism?
Thanks for your comment Paul, I didn't know there was priority immigration, that is something I'll have to look for next time, even if there is a charge
I would expect three choices in a world class economy flight main meal - Two protiens and a veggie; or perhaps as many as four for a non western world airline (two local, Two western, one each of veggie and protien (unless the local cuisine tends to be veggie only)..
I've flown all the middle east Airlines many times. Qatar are generally very good and where competitive they are my preference. However, every airline can have a bad flight from time to time, so perspective is needed before trashing any airline.
I’ve always had very good experiences flying Qatar….in all classes. The airline probably went over the top in their response to Josh Cahill, but in addition, he is a bit of a drama Queen, and wants the views. If you want a poor experience, fly Qantas.
Do you mean drink service? There was a pretty good selection, I had to ask for Jack Daniels (never offered) so I recommend checking the online menu. If you mean the "Economy Class Bar" (rear galley where the ordinary people tend to gather for a leg stretch, drink and a snack) it was small on this plane, and the crew used it as their rest area so pulled a curtain across while I was standing back there.
@mygreygapyear Thanks for the elaborate information on the drink selections. And may I add that one should manage one's expectations when travelling on economy class, coz there's always the business class if more is required.😄Lol!
Hi Phil, I'm a firm believer in judging apples with apples. If you had taken the same flight as Josh your review would be at least credible. Thanks for your review.
Thank you for sharing your views, "at least credible", ouch 😂. Every flight review is one person's opinion of one flight. I have explained further down in the comments about the issues that I have with Josh's two videos based on the footage he provided, I'll let you read those. Thanks Phil
I have to fly for the first time in my life with a plane and that's exactly with the Qatar company and I bought a ticket to Jakarta from Sarajevo to Doha, the first flight where I bought a window seat to see what the flight looks like for the first time from the air and the other flights are economical where do they give me because it doesn't matter to me anymore to look at the seat, whatever it is, I'm used to hard times, I survived the war in Bosnia and much worse things, so I'll survive the flight too, God willing 😊👋
I am humbled by your comment, thank you for sharing. It is always worth being reminded that issues with food and seats on airplanes are very small problems in the larger scheme of things. I hope you came out the other side of that conflict in tact, thank you for reminding us all that there are more important things in this world. I wish you the very best and I would love to visit your country and that region someday soon. Thank you Phil
Thanks for your comment. I don't know Josh Cahill so I can neither like nor dislike him personally. I do take exception with some of the things Josh Cahill says and does though. I particularly take exception to his view, expressed via his actions in his videos, that cabin crew are basically collateral damage and if their lives are ruined, well that's just tough.
I think you just saying that about Josh's the only reason is because you got a special deal for that flight and I don't think you know how to review a flight and I think you only been like every 175 years out of your house .
Thank you for sharing your views, please read my FAQs and you win the "Funniest Comment Award" with your 175 years in the house comment, seriously where di you pluck that number from? Comedy Gold, I love it.
always exciting to fly the a380 on especially on upper deck :D. I find the a380 is where I have the most enjoyable experiences, but then again I tend to book the emergency rows paying the extra for comfort.
Flew Qatar from Edinburgh-Doha-Brisbane economy in march . Had heard a lot about them but have to say was very disappointed by the standard of cleanliness and was shocked to be told they had run out of meals so had to have a crew meal which was terrible.when I contacted Qatar to tell them I received nada not an email or call to say they had received my complaint. Qatar never again.
Yeah, sorry you had such a poor flight mate, I had a good flight with them but running out of meals is unforgivable. If there's an issue and there's no meals for anyone then, well not great but these things happen but to not stock enough for all passengers is very poor. And one thing I would agree with everyone on, Qatar do not have a complaints department, that much seems clear.
Anybody else thought you were putting a bra on your face ar 4:10 and had to do a double take 😂? Great review that felt really fluid and easy to listen to.
Good day guys. Aviation, like any other type of experience in life, is extremely personal. I may be extremely satisfied with the service and the person sitting next to me may be thinking everything is bad. I have been following the world of aviation since the 70s. What I notice is that only a few Asian airlines have maintained a consistent level of service and continuous concern for customers. Perhaps due to the Eastern perception of serving well. Singapore Airlines, Asiana, Japan Airlines, Eva Air, All Nippon Airways, Korean Air.
Thank you for sharing your views, I agree with you that it is about the perception of the reviewer. I'm relatively new to this type of travelling, and I would love to chat to you, it must be amazing to have watched the world of aviation change over the last 50 years. I do often wonder what people will think in 50 years time when they watch a Nonstop Dan video from today.
@@mygreygapyear Correct. Not that I've flown excessively, but I follow aviation because I'm very attached to planes. I've seen both of Josh's videos about Qatar Airways and completely understand the points he made. Some UA-camrs aren't really welcomed on board. Many people (flight attendants) do not find it comfortable to have their work performance filmed in almost every detail. I think this boom in UA-camrs filming everything on board has caused this small problem, where almost everything is published, the good side and the bad side. Something that not long ago “happened in Vegas and stayed in Vegas”. Nowadays the whole world knows what happens in Vegas. I come from a completely analog world: aviation magazines, timetables, large/heavy directories, etc. I think we live in a time of a lot of information and little time to process it all. Sometimes we get to the point of having two UA-camrs at the same time filming everything on board. I realize that the number of people in this business is growing a lot and perhaps we will reach a saturation point.
You can hear Josh Cahill being welcomed on board, no? For me, the flight attendants have a right to privacy, so I don't film them directly and if I catch them by accident then I blur their faces by default. Thanks for sharing, Phil
Yes, many youtubers, when requested by FAs, blur their faces after editing the video. I watched JC's videos regarding Qatar Airways. I believe that the drama occurred due to JC's bad review on their product. I never heard such a thing before: an airline bans a traveller for criticizing their product.
Thank you for sharing your views, that this is a light hearted and fun travel channel and this video is talking about the rights of the workers that Josh Cahill films, I've updated this video's FAQs to reflect that this isn't a political channel and this isn't a political video. Thank you for understanding Phil
#unbanjoshcahill Sorry I don't agree with your opinion. It may possible that you got a nice service as of today, but may be it is also because of Josh's review. To be honest: Josh was never unfair, he made only some negative comments about a couple of things (dirty carpet, runout of choice of food, outdated seats and last but not least a messy toilet). If you find he was unfair, what is then really unfair (not to speak about crime, war etc.) This is his good right to mention that for the public. He was not filming the crew after he was told not to do that (and he blurred also every face) if you can not film when a flight attendant fills the glasses without showing FA face, on which way we are in this world? And to say he is banned according to Art. 8 and 12 is a joke. Not in any word it is there mentioned that a negative comment is a reason for the ban. And he was always polite and not unbehaviour. To solve a problem on this way is just ridicolous. A proper handling from QR with that, like everybody normally does it with an apology or excuse would be the normal standard of a company and everything is fine. But not on this way to bribe him and sending him some threats. Social Media stands not only for happy days (meaning mentioning only positive things), it stands also for negative issues with commenting in a nice and unpolemic way. Where you want to go if something is not like you would have it? Not releasing because you know that you will get in troubles? Then every social media channel would be a farce. That is the freedom that we still should have. There are so many other videos on youtube in which youtubers made negative comments about the service, but no airline has never react like this. What would it be when only positive comments should be allowed to release. I can tell you: Then people think that everything is propaganda and everything is a lie by those people who releases such videos. That is my opinion and as I have seen in the last few weeks and days I stand not alone with that meaning.
Thank you for sharing your views, I can see your point of view on some points, but not with "Josh was never unfair". He described the crew as "cold". Man. That is not ok. These are human beings with families and feelings, they're real people who go home at night and eat dinner with their families, they're not characters in a movie! Also, lets talk about the airtime given to the "underwhelming" choice of two meals in economy class. Please go through all of Josh Cahill's economy videos and tell me in which videos does Josh tell you how many meal choices he had. When Emirates "saved" him, did he tell us how many meal choices he had? I must have missed the three of four options Josh told us about in that video. So list them here in the comments please, because I haven't found one yet. Never unfair? That is two areas I believe he was very unfair and I could go on (and I did in my video, did you watch it?). And Qatar Airways didn't want to apologise to him? I'm not surprised. According to Josh Cahill in his second video it doesn't sound to me like he did blur all the faces, the faces only got blurred when Qatar Airways complained to UA-cam and the faces were then blurred. Perhaps Josh could come on and make that clear. If you think that is ok then tell me where you work and I'll come and film you doing your job and then I'll post a highly critical video on UA-cam that will be seen by about one million people. Your boss will see it. Your mum will see it, Your spouse and kids will see it. Your neighbours will see it. Your kids friends at school will see it. Tell me that's ok and I'll come to you and make the video. I'm not aware of any bribes or threats. Josh was offered a PR flight, in my opinion that is not a bribe (you may disagree, but that's ok, we're allowed to disagree). If you could tell me of the threats that have been made against Josh I'd appreciate it, because threats are not ok. I also disagree with you when you say, "And he was always polite". Clearly in the video is Josh's email to Qatar Airways which, as I've explained before, contains "logical fallacy" or loaded questions and this is just not something serious people use in business correspondence. It's the language of the hack. Did you pause the video and read the two emails, they're towards the end of the "banned" video. Also Josh hasn't addressed the alleged breach of Qatari Law, it's all well and good throwing insults around but you have to answer the questions put to you too. I understand and respect your views and I also understand that many people feel the same way that you do and that I am probably in the minority, but this is why I wanted to release this video, because I wanted to challenge the world view that Josh Cahill has presented and I want everyone to just stop and think about what they're watching and think about the human cost to this. And it seems that I succeeded in my goal with you, because you have stopped and thought about Josh's video and thought about my comments in my video and then taken the time to tell us your views, and although we don't agree, I am grateful to you for sharing those views with me. I hope that my reply will give you further pause for thought, because I would never deliberately film you and your co-workers and post you on UA-cam, but I bet it made you stop and think for a moment. I am genuinely grateful to you for sharing, you are clearly very passionate and it comes through in your writing, all the very best, Phil
@@mygreygapyear Thanks for your answer. I clearly see that some of my points you have not understand. Let's start with unfair. What is unfair, unfair is for example if somebody loses his job because of false interpretations of others. Unfair is also when somebody telling to someothers some secrets about you. Unfair is also a bad behaviour against others. If you don't agree with the politic in your country, is it unfair when you making your point of view with qualified arguments in a proper manner, but not everybody likes it? Unfair is may be also, when some people blockes roads by glooming themselves. They don't think about consequences by others when they can not reach their work. I don't think it's unfair when Josh makes critics about dirty toilets, dirty carpet, missing choice of meals and outdated seat (here I come later to you). You said it's unfair when Josh makes a comment like the crew is unmotivated? Josh flew many times before with them and had never these impressions. Now he was underwhelmed compare to the other flights and he says it because he is a youtuber and is not going home and think: Okay forget that. It is really fair that he is not doing this and not censoring his impressions for other viewers. That is freedom of speach. Talk about filming me on the job and your meaning that everybody can see it. First I guess if you know that someone is filming you and then could probably release on Social Media, would you not give your best to convince. Now an example: I am seating at my desk and you film the office and me, doing my work solide. You go to toilet, it is dirty, you see the carpet, it is dirty, old computer is not running and you release this. Is it your fault? Certainly not, but your reaction is important to this: I am doing still my job well in a manner which everybody expects from you. Everybody on this plane knew (as he was probably not recognized before), that there is a guy from youtube. Would you not take your fingers out of the arse to give the best possible impression about everything on this flight. Here is another example which I experienced just recently with Air Mauritius in Economy Class: I wanted to go to the toilet, but I was not allowed because one of the Mauritius female FA just want to check the cleanliness of the toilet. Josh's flight was an Airbus A330-300 with toilets in the back as he went with his camera down there. As I have made at least 100 flights with this aircraft, I am pretty sure that he went down to the 4 toilets and sawing let's say 2 FA's seating on the Crews seats (and nothing doing, just chatting) and 3 others working in the galley or eating. He was just telling the word unmotivated, I am sure he could say many more about the bad service quality of this crew, but that is what I mean polite! Yes I still stand that Josh was polite, polite is when somebody can critizes something and not using words like.... I stop here because I am pretty sure you know now which words I mean. And also he was not aggresive in his video, may be when you search something he made the whole thing a bit ridicolous. I am pretty sure that when someone attacks you personally by bad words, you are not going to say to this person: Yes my dear, yes my love, yes my brother, how can I forgive you, unless you would be priest or reverend... About filming: There are two sides of that. Would Josh have filmed everything including FA's and he would leave a good comment, nobody by QR would say: Hey you have filmed our crew. But now he has filmed - as he has done all the times in the past - the walking into the plane and his seat (as I do it regularly also) with holding the camera not the normal offensive way, of course he catched 2 FA standing in the aisle. If something have been wrong to them, why did they not telling: Good morning Sir, may we kindly ask you not to film on board or not to film us? In the past it was the standard for him and no company (even not Air Koryo from North Korea) has made such a drama about such a thing. When now, as we all heard, QR fired some of the FA's (is it correct or just propaganda for the others what could happen) because of this small critic, is that in Josh's responsibility? I guess reall not. It is in the responsibility of QR, if everything would be like they have been in the past, this never happen. And there is always somebody in the time of today which uncover something. Social Media is sometimes a huge problem, but in this occasion I am very happy to have it. Otherwise it would be a time like in the past (Nazi, Eastern Curtain like USSR or GDR, now Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea). Would you live with that? I quess not! to be continued:
@@mygreygapyear please read first answer below If it is your meaning that you have succeeded in your goal: Yes, but still completely on Josh's side and my meaning that QR was totally overrecting with that. Your reply give me further pause to think about, yes. But the longer I think and look your video again with your opinion, I come the the inclusion that your thumbnail is polemic and most of your not regularly viewers have clicked on because of: "Sorry Josh" Why that? That is polemic, nothing else. As a lot of my life working in quality management for diverse companies (also for 1 airline), I would not have been interacting in the companies name like this. I just want to explain some two more topics in this discussion: About the carriage conditions and the Qatar law. QR says he breaks Art. 8 and 12, have you read those two articles? You can ask every lawyer, nothing but nothing stands in their carriage conditions about this particular case, they wanted to make impressions with their E-Mail. And carriage conditions and local law is not the same, could be in some points, but not here. The filming like this in not explicitely forbidden, just in case of the safety it could be forbidden, nothing else. Josh was also not unruly, he agreed not filming the crew, he blurred some faces later on, he was allowed to film by one crew member. That also shows how the crew act on the plane, the one says that, others said this. There is no line in this company, no more. Do you know how much this own made drama QR will cost? Yes, I guess in all of the companies I worked for, either the CEO or the CFO would have come to me and talking about the consequences... If they want to avoid such problems in the future, they have to announce this at the gate, on or in the plane, cabin announcement or safety demonstration videos etc. with the sentence: Dear Guest, we kindly inform you that QR airways has a non tolerance filming and photographing policiy, it is forbidden to take any videos and photos from the inside of the plane and the passengers and crews. Then everybody can decide if they want to fly with them or not. Now I come to the final point: The Airbus A330-300 which is mentioned by Josh as a dinosaur. That is his meaning not mine, I am pretty glad when I can fly in Economy Class because the seating is normally 2-4-2. Even world class airlines uses this aircraft and my wife and I like it, because there is no 3 seat seating on the side. So she can not being touched in the middleseat by another like it happens on a A350 some years ago. The most disturbing about the seat arrangement is that they still have the box under the seat on the windows seat. Some airlines have changed that. Somewhere you have asked about where can I fly this aircraft with QR? This question alerts me. Because it shows me that you are not really an Airline/Aviation enthusiast or expert. Sorry, this is very simple: Go to Airfleets or a page like this, note down the aircraft registration and type it in to source like FR24, thats everything and you could see the plane's route at least for 7 days if you are not Gold or Silver member. Back to the A330: QR Airways must still use this plane because Airbus cancelled their A350 and A321 order because of AB went to high court in London. It was a simple painting problems which was first reported by Finnair (2016), by Lufthansa, Air France, Cathay Pacific. With all these airlines Airbus has found a solution and talked about that,, seating together and solved the problem without a big dispute. CAA has grounded these planes, the only one in the world. I really think that AB just wanted to get some more discount of these planes, nothing else. And of course it was a false decission to this, because AB knew exactly about the problems with Boeing's Dreamliners and new TripleSeven's. That is how AB stands for. He is always right and the others wrong. I said in 2021 that I don't fly an Airline anymore which has such a huge dispute against an Airline producer. QR making also problems with landing rights: In the USA, Germany, Australia. I tell you why, they want to fly as much as possible to some destinations in all of the countries they want to fly. So Qatar and involved governements make some contracts how many flights and which destinations are allowed. They offer that all Airlines could fly as often as they want into Doha. But to be honest? How many airlines are doing this? AA (the one world code share to PHL), AY, BA and IB are the only ones. And even this not on a daily basis... Now they want to fly some more flights also to Germany, they agree now additional flights to HAM. But now, there is a particular word like unfair. Is that fair that you can fly now with them from HAM-DOH-MEL with one time changing the plane. If you want to fly LH, LX and OS, you have to change a minimum 2 times. That is the also the reason why Australia does not want to accept some more flights to ADL and CBR. Now they have started with some Ghost Flights, because the limitation is only valid by the big 4 airports, if they fly from DOH to SYD or MEL and then to ADL or CBR it is actually allowed. But most of the flights only the crew is on board an no passengers, the only thing on is cargo. These flights are not very attractive because of the night flight ban and the planes have to be on ground at least 6 hours. Australia governement is watching on that topic. QR just want to trick. They always want to trick, see World Cup 2022. Oh, finally I did not mentioned about the general human rights in Qatar and with QR. There are no human rights there, see the construction workers for the FIFA World Cup 2022. And QR - or was it the decission of AB - is spying out their staff. They were not allowed to leave the hotel at their destinations and at Doha they can spy them out if they are in the room or not (with the chip card for the room). Do you find this is okay? So, a lot of things I mentioned, take it into the consideration that there are many bad things abut this airline and that is good that we get some informations about. Otherwise nothing will change in that country or in this airlines, even if they have now a new CEO... Let's wait how it goes on. Many points which I mention now, have nothing directly to do with Josh, but knowing such points puts everything in a different different light. Thanks for your attention to this. Be proud that I take so much time for you and the matter. I have nothing against you, generally I find you symphatic in your videos. Kind Regards, Urs
Urs, I totally love your passion and commitment, thank you for sharing your views, this is an open forum and this is exactly what I wanted to provoke with my video, an open sharing of views that everyone can learn from. You have made some excellent points and as such I am going to tip my hat to you and leave you with the last word. My only comment is how sorry I am that your wife was touched on a flight, I know other women that is has happened to when they have been flying alone and it really is a very upsetting thing to happen. There should be greater awareness of this by passengers and better training for cabin crew. Thank you for your contribution to the conversation, all the very best to you, Phil
@@mygreygapyearI love your reviews and have seen many of your videos. Just don’t get upset about another reviewer and his views. It’s one’s own opinion and view. Content creators should still maintain courtesy to other creators too. If you have something against his video, go have a private conversation. This almost gives me a vibe that you are representing the views of a corporation rather than a consumer. Have you ever seen the bread they give you versus the soft croissants they used to give you? How about the food choices? Clearly I have seen cost cutting. The crew has been still smiling behind all this, so respect.
Your review doesn't reflect my recent experience on Qatar. I found urine-coated lavatories, awful food, cold, uncaring service, and malfunctioning seats and IFE. Qatar has fallen so far that I'm not sure I'd ever go back. And that was in business class.
Thank you for sharing your views, I feel that your comment lacks credibility by claiming this was in business class. Although Josh Cahill and I both had different experiences in Qatar Airways Economy Class, I have found most (if not all) reviewers have a good to excellent experience in Qatar Business Class. Perhaps sharing your route, date of flight, Qatar business seat type and some other details would lend some credibility to your claims. Thanks Phil
Thanks for your question, the pitch of the seat I sat in was probably an inch better than usual, but I felt the seat was narrow. I think at 6-5 you should pay for the extra legroom and select an aisle seat. Do not pick a window seat. Hope you're trip goes ok, let me know how it goes, Phil
Thanks for sharing. I will be flying Qatar Airways to Hong Kong soon and I booked economy class. Hopefully, it will be a good experience as my husband is wide shouldered. Your review has given me some hope 😊
Thank you for your comment, I would definitely book him an aisle seat and if you prefer the aisle too then book two aisle seats across from each other. I hope you have a brilliant trip, Phil.
Dear MGGY, I strongly disagree with your review. It appears you haven't thoroughly watched Josh's original review, which highlighted legitimate concerns about the airline's decline in service and food quality. Josh's observations were corroborated by numerous customers and even some crew members, leading to tangible consequences. Your biased defense of the airline undermines your credibility. Unfortunately, I will no longer consider your reviews reliable and won't be viewing your content in the future. Josh's assessment was accurate and deserved attention. Nonetheless, I'm still flying Qatar, I don't care!
Thank you for sharing your views about my review of Qatar Airways Economy Class and my experience in Qatar Economy verses that of Josh Cahill. As I discuss in the pinned FAQ comment I felt that Josh's review was unfair, especially how he treated the Qatar Airways cabin crew. However, what I really wanted to do with this video was spark a conversation and see how other people felt, so thank you again for sharing your views. I'm still flying Qatar Airways too, I just take wipes with me to clean the tray tables 😊 Thank you Phil
Your review was informative and entertaining. Thank you! However, as i have seen your responses to a couple other comments, that qatar is expensive, its not worth paying for. Qatar is expensive becauee of the 5 star and consistently excellent service they promote. However if there are inconsistencies and by which many incident have been reported (some bad and some horrid experiences) then recommending qatar airways with their high price is not right. Take Emirates for example. They are not cheap, but there have been such minimal complaints about them. Everytime I, and others have flown them, every aspect of the journey was enjoyable and consistent, compared to Qatar. My recent rip with qatar in economy happened to be the same flight route and aircrafts that Josh cahill took (LHR-DOH-CMB, CMB-DOH-LHR) (B777, A320, A330, B777). The toliets were a carbon copy of the state the josh cahill reported it to be. The seat, old and unclean, tight and uncomfortable. The crew was awful and not as how they been promoted to be (apart from 3 cabin crew members on the DOH-CMB flight. I could only commend the food and IFE which was great but paying an extra £1650 for my family of 7 just to fly qatar was not worth it. Choosing emirates would have been so much better. Qatar therfore cant and shouldnt be a 5 star airline, if inconsistencies is a problem, for which, clearly it is and thus shouldnt be recommended at all. Essentially, josh is saying that Qatar is not what it had been promoted to be. It is not 5 star nor is it premium consistant service. If you compare the behaviour of the crew on his flight to other reviews of many other flight reviewers, it is very evident that there has been a significant decline in the service that qatar airways once claimed to provide. He makes a big deal out of this beacuse there are many other airlines that deserve the no. 1 title for many awards and recognition. Its like a stereotype that qatar is world best at everything, when in reality, it is not. And banning and bribing josh cahill really has brought qatar airways reputation down. Therfore, with all this controversy, it would be right to say that qatar airways has an inconsistent service and recommending ither middle eastern carriers such as Emirates or Etihad would be a much better solution/would be worth paying more for that paying extra to fly qatar, where you may/may not recieve the service that has been promised?
As per the other comments, I would of respected your view if you didnt mention Josh and just reviewed the airline. Reading some of your replies , you seem bitter. Disappointed.
See, now I'm really confused because I'm not aware of any disappointment or bitterness in my life, I'm just making videos and having a blast. And as far as a Josh Cahill fan getting grumpy about a UA-camr using a bit of creativity to increase views (which clearly worked by the way, thanks), well that is the greatest irony there is. Josh Cahill is often described (in these comments) as a total shock jock taking mundane situations (like a perfectly clean toilet and perfectly acceptable legroom for economy) and turning them into SHOCKING situations. So for you to get all upset and in a lather is just hilarious, and well, that is just pot and kettle my friends 😀 Thank you for your views and continued engagement Phil
I got a qr909 -> qr161 -> finnair leg -> qr908 Thanks for the review, gave me a lot to know what to expect! Hopefully their a380s are a little bigger and more spacious + lucky me i'm flying in july. Hopefully it wont be busy then since the excess of 45ºC heats will put people off
Thanks for your comment, if you can get a seat upstairs on the A380, those economy seats are apparently more spacious and window seats have storage bins.
@@mygreygapyear Yeah I'm looking at that but i'd rather dodge the $252 p/p fees, so I am booking my travelling companion on an aisle and me at the window, to put off people using the middle seat, so hopefully we can get more space. Otherwise if they have a double on the upper deck i'll take it at check in
$252 each, ouch. If you have status then the empty middle seat has a better chance of working in your favour, if you don't make sure you each join their flying club and add your membership numbers to the booking, this has helped a friend in the past. When I'm travelling with a companion we often book two aisle seats opposite each other. We can still chat but do have the additional space being on the end. Hope you have a great trip, Phil
@@mygreygapyear Thanks, I'm with VOZ Gold so i'm adding that for lounge access however it was easier to book through qatar for a multi stop international, i'll just make sure to act the SECOND seats are free ;)
Qatar have a few inherited aircraft with premium economy seats sold as economy. Your gold status may have triggered the seat block. Interesting vlog sir
Now that is interesting, Richard, I wasn't aware of that. I was concerned when I looked on Expert Flyer that the row had been completely sold and thought about a seat switch, but stuck with my original selection. Thanks for your comment and support, appreciated as always, Phil
As a regular QR FF (Privilege Club Platinum/OWE) flying between either MEL or BNE and Europe (vv), your experience on QR 989 is relatively similar to mine. Where QR is weak compared with EK or SQ is primarily in onboard service delivery in both Economy and Business. I have had my fair share of complaints with the cabin crew as the service delivery isn't always consistent from flight to flight. For example, Silver, Gold and Platinum Privilege Club members can choose their meal preferences before or after take-off and have their meals delivered first. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen consistently. IMO, the lack of consistency is down to a high turnover of cabin crew and a lack of morale driven by a dictatorial former CEO. QR is going through some growing pains, and Josh's review amplifies that. I'm hopeful the new CEO will take a fresh look at improving service delivery in all classes, not just in Economy.
What a fantastic comment, thank you for sharing your QR experiences. I'm going to aim to do some Singapore and Emirates flights so I can compare those experiences. I love that perk of pre-selecting your meal, they really should focus on making that work. I've heard a lot of criticism of the outgoing CEO, fingers crossed for the new guy. Thanks again, much appreciated, Phil
Well, privileged club members can choose their meal preferences but they are served with the rest of the passengers. That’s how the service is done in QR.
A bit of a disappointing take and your view has definitely been skewed by the amount of time you spend in premium cabins. Qatar is supposed to be one of, if not the best airline in the world. The "will this give me food poisoning" benchmark is laughable. Flying Qatar in economy could be the holiday of a lifetime, celebrating a soecial birthday or honeymoon and they need yo do better.
Thank you for sharing your views, much appreciated. My "safe, clean and edible" for economy food is my hope and expectation for every airline in economy and is set by my many years of flying economy only (and they don't always hit it). My first ever video shows my first ever business class experience just a couple of years ago.
Lame attempt to ride on Josh Cahill's coat tails for a few extra views. Hard to believe that you would defend an airline banning a customer due to a critical review.
Thanks for sharing your views about Josh Cahill. I neither support or oppose Qatar Airways, I simply gave my honest opinion of of my Qatar Airways economy flight and pointed out where I thought Josh was unfair in his economy review (based on Josh Cahill's own footage). Regarding his ban, please read my FAQs and watch Josh's "banned and bribed" video at the appropriate timestamp to see why I think Qatar airways had little choice but to ban him to prevent him from taking his booked flight with them. Thank you and all the best, Phil
@@mygreygapyear I guess we have to agree to disagree, but by putting his name in your title you are clearly trying to draw in people interested in Josh.
Anyone that has negative comments about Josh Cahill gets a 'thumbs up' from me! Your attitude is good, unlike Josh Cahill who is a complaining, entitled drama queen.
The blunt naked truth is tht we can't simply make everyone happy at once"" thanks for a matured and polite well balanced review🎉. Lobbing and greedy minds creates ugly things for content.,....
@@mygreygapyear thanks for understanding first of all. As you said rightly in a flight so many people with different behavior pattern travel in an aircraft and especially the toilets. (What if a untidy person used it just before) can happen. Above all a matured comment is good and still found more serious problems, there is a pattern to escalate. Simply saying something in a rough manner causes problem in a industry which feeds a lot of staff and people. Nice you have a balanced character. May god bless you and family.
Hey good review, I do trips a bit like yourself, recently switched from using Singapore and Star Alliance to Qatar & One World.... I have a few flights where I've arranged an overnight stop in Doha, how's the taxi process .... How much is it likely to cost and how long does it take .... Great review 👍
Thank you for your kind comments. Taxi's are well signposted and inexpensive, 64QAR or 15GBP from the airport to the InterContinental in the city which is about 20 minutes from the airport. Where I had issues was the immigration delay, over an hour to clear immigration. I hope you have an amazing trip, Phil
Cahill is a clickbait trash talker. Just like that nonstop Dan and so many others. Most of their content is complaints because they expect a first class experience reminiscent of the Golden Era while flying on a discount economy ticket. Can’t stand these holier-than-though UA-camrs and it was time an airline took one of them down a notch. Thx for the review. I’m flying on QR soon and my status got me free seat selection. One of the planes I’m taking is an old CX plane and the cabin i chose is still set up in a premium economy layout, even though QR doesn’t sell PY. Can you believe the free “upgrade, non-upgrade”? You were lucky too with the whole row though i was surprised you slept with your head in the aisle. Did you get knocked at all while asleep?
@dscott8799 Thank you for your comments, there seems to be a big Josh Cahill fan club on this silly ban issues and wondered if I put my head above the parapet would there be others that had similar feelings to me. If you could share you're flying on I'd appreciate it, I'd like to experience that. Re: sleeping the wrong way round, I wondered why I'd done that when I looked at the footage 😂. Fortunately I'm very short and I was at the very front of economy so very low foot traffic. Thanks Phil
Thank you for joining in the conversation, I'm also a fan of Non Stop Dan but I did take issue with his video about British Airways, ua-cam.com/video/LeChx0qsRTo/v-deo.html It's a similar attack video to Josh's on Qatar. Everything seems fine with his flight until there is an issue with a gate at Heathrow and he is stuck aboard. The he just goes overboard. Thanks for sharing your views, Phil
Thanks for your review. I think we'll agree Josh's imagery showed some serious deficiencies. Furthermore Qatar's reaction by banning him goes against the fundamental principle of freedom and as such I will endorse #unbanjoshcahill
Thanks for sharing your views, much appreciated, and a view that is thought provoking. Is banning a passenger from flying on your airline against the fundamental principle of freedom? And as I write this I'm not sure. If you're from the UK you'll know we've had controversial politicians having their bank accounts closed because the executives at the banks didn't like their politics (for more on this google nigel farage debanking). It is widely accepted now that having a bank account is a fundamental right in the UK and de-banking is now considered against the fundamental principle of freedom, but does being banned from an airline count? And two paragraphs on I'm still not sure. If I own a bar or restaurant then I believe I am well within my rights to refuse service unless I am discriminating against a protected characteristic (age, disability, gender, religion, etc) but Josh Cahill wouldn't be covered by this. They're not refusing to carry him because he's in a wheelchair. I think because there are other airlines that can carry him to the destinations that Qatar Airlines cover, because he is breaking the rules by using a camera and filming the crew and because he is travelling in order to review the airline rather than a need to get somewhere then I don't think the ban goes against a fundamental principle of freedom. If Josh Cahill agreed to never use a camera on a flight again and needed to get to somewhere that only Qatar Airways covered then I would agree with you, but in this instance that is not the case. But that's not my last word on this, I could be convinced otherwise by a well reasoned argument. Thank you so much for that excellent thought provoking comment, your views are very much appreciated, Phil
If you are doing nothing as a passenger which endanger safety of a flight, you are unpolite to staff, you have a different view in religious thinking, you are on a Interpol list, yes then it is fundamental priniciple of freedom. Josh has never been unpolite. If you are banned because of such simple things, then nobody knows who is the next! And if you start a discussion about bankers etc. Would you really compare bankers and Josh? Then there we would have to start generally with all those people: Dicators, War makers, Racism, Politicians etc. Josh is a youtuber like you, would you agree when an airline starts the discussion that they only transport you if you are not filming. There is not any word in their policies about filming. Then they should declare it clearly in their policies and not argue like this. They can put on the screen at the gate, at or in the plane, including in the safety video etc. I just asking you a simple question: if somebody is not agreeing with your ideas, do you still respect him or not. In that case I am thinking you are not accepting Josh's review because you think he was unpolite or was doing something inpropriate. But that is not the case. He was always on a gentle level. I would be more than happy if everybody in this world would place his unpleasant experience in a way like that. Look in the TV and you see thousand of lieing people with an unproper behaviour (even the USA and UK had such people as presidents or prime ministers). If you go to a shopping place, let's say Tesco or something like this and the shop is dirty, has unmotivated staff, selling bad and not eatable products and you make a review, would you agree if they ban you? And if every company would react like this with banning everybody then we can close TV, Radio, Social Media etc. and going back to times we certainly not want. Once again: I am completely with you when somebody releases articles or videos in a inproper way (unpolite words, liying, making propaganda, racism, bribing etc.) But Josh has never done that! We need such people like Josh, otherwise we are going to a way like Russia, Cuba, North Korea, China etc.). I am pretty sure you won't that.
Hi there and thank you again for your comments and sharing your views. I've just replied to your other comment, so I think some of the ground here is covered there. Easy ones first: I don't know anyone who holds politicians up as role models for proper behaviour, so let's not go there. Second: Filming in Tesco or any other of my local supermarkets. I 100% promise you if you or me or anyone else walks into Tesco with a GoPro and starts filming then you would be banned. If you are filming the staff then you would be escorted out. No ifs, no buts no coconuts. YOU. WOULD. BE. BANNED! And quite right too. The staff there have a right to privacy, they didn't ask to be on UA-cam (I did so I'm fair game). If there is unsafe produce or an issue with a staff member then there is a process you can follow, the first step would be to walk up to the desk with the big sign that says "customer service" over it. Third One: "There is not any word in their policies about filming." I think you're wrong there, Josh has said that he did break that rule, but others (including me) have filmed so I guess we give good reviews and that's the difference, right? Wrong! The first rule of "flight" club is you don't talk about "flight" club. The second rule is you obey the instructions of the cabin crew, No back chat, no arguments. If you are told not to film you stop filming. This has happened to me on a Qatar Airways flight. I stopped filming and then I politely asked the flight attendant if the issue was me filming them or filming anything. She told me that it was filming the cabin crew that was the issue. I clearly explained that I was making a vlog for UA-cam and I would not be filming the crew and if their faces were accidentally in shot I would blur it out or cut that piece of footage. Later on I was clearly told again that filming the cabin crew was not permitted. I was told in a clear, firm but polite manner. I said I agreed 100% that cabin crew are allowed their privacy and re-iterated that I would wither cut or blur all staff and would not identify them by name (from their name tags). I ensured that I didn't disturb the other passengers, the crew were happy and I had no further problems filming. I have asked you if you would like to be filmed at work, I don't know what you do, but would you? How about your mum, or your sister? Because "unmotivated" is subjective. What I see as efficiently doing a task, you might say is "turning their backs and being so cold". I can spin that either way, without meeting any of your family I know that I could make them look bad if I wanted to. Because on UA-cam there is no regulating authority except UA-cam. On TV in the UK you would be held to a specific standard. To be clear, I'm not going to start filming people and upsetting them, I'm simply posing a moral question for you to consider, I'm just asking you to consider how you would feel if your mother was in tears because someone had put a video of her at work on UA-cam. I've covered some of my concerns about Josh's behaviour in your other comment and other posts, so I won't cover them here, but you mentioned bankers, if you're referring to my reference on the de-banking scandal in the UK then I think you've misunderstood. The de-banking scandal in the UK is an example of a fundamental right (a bank account in this case) being taken away and I was simply wondering if there were comparisons to be drawn between Josh's situation and that of Nigel Farage and others who were "de-banked". I wasn't comparing Josh to "bankers" or the politicians who were de-banked. I thought long and hard about whether there Josh has a "right" to fly on Qatar and I ultimately felt that for Josh to be carried by Qatar again he would have to agree to abide by the rules of carriage, namely not to use a camera in the cabin. Has he agreed to this? If he hasn't then I can only stand by my previous position, that he was reasonably banned. Again, I am grateful to you for sharing your views, I want to know what other people think but more than that I want to know why they think that way. You have clearly stated that you see Qatar Airways being permitted to ban Josh Cahill as a slippery slope towards totalitarian regimes like Russia and North Korea. I'm not sure that I agree with you but it does give me something new to think about, and I thank you for that. All the very best, Phil
Thanks mate . New sub here . I like your videos because it's about the airline and not about you . Like you say I didn't agree with Josh . I watched him for a short time but found he to be more about him trying to be a star 🌟. And definitely he was terrible about this airline. Thanks mate keep it normal 👍
Thank you for your comment, Josh did say in the second video that he didn't actually know if the crew lost their jobs or not so you have to take it on face value whether they really did lose their jobs or not. Qatar Airways have not commented, but I hope that they well and safe.
Emirates airlines are better then qatar airlines just overrated. TheEmirates planes are better,food, services, and so much more and to top it off the prices are cheaper than qatar airways
Interesting. I've never flown Qatar, but would in a heartbeat. (They fly from BHX my UK home airport -- but it's always $$$ more than LHR). I am a bit burned out on the YT aviation gurus, even dear old Noel, you and Matt are holding the fort as I type this. I have always thought Josh's response was a bit hysterical; I suspect he has observed negatives and controversies get more content views than positives. A sad truth of YT. Be that as it may: you are six inches shorter and a good bit narrower than me :-) This bear doesn't fit well in an economy seat. My wife however, won't pay for higher so I suspect she would find your review interesting.
Thanks for your kind comments, I would ask her to watch it and imagine she has the middle seat. Then show her some reviews of premium economy and let het imagine just the two of you on the side of the plane. Then again, what do I know.
Thanks for sharing your views, please take a look at my videos for some from BA and Qantas in different classes, and if you sub you'll get notifications on upcoming videos on Vueling, Finnair, Emirates and Iberia. Appreciate your comment, Phil
Phil. As for amenity kits, Are they really need ed in any cabin class????? Most people travel with their own small bag of toiletries nowadays, so would it be a big miss to do away with them altogether. Save the planet and all that jazz. Steve. C.
Another great video. I wish you made more, as they are truly entertaining. I think if Josh Cahill, was to appear honest, then he could have kept his original German name, or at least his surname of Wendholt. It's a very old fashioned way of thinking, and if you can't be true to yourself, how are you supposed to be true to viewers.
Thanks for your comment, I love making videos but I do find it takes more time than I originally thought it would. I thought Josh Cahill's Qatar video was a total hatchet job.
Thank you for sharing your views, I've been watching less and less of Josh Cahill's videos over the last year because I've felt they offer less and less actual information. A click bait thumbnail and title is fine, but sometimes I feel that the entire video is unhelpful.
@nkbaby1069 I wish I got paid, that would have been awesome, unfortunately not. And I disagree with you on Josh standing up for what is right. Josh stands up for views for his channel only, so I'd say my opinion is that "Josh stands up for nothing, and you'll fall for anything".
Thanks for your comment, took me a moment to think about your point there, I did think about talking about the terminal in a sperate video but I didn't feel that there was enough material so I popped it at the start of this one and made sure there were chapters so that viewers could easily skip ahead. I do appreciate your feedback so thank you for taking the time to comment, Phil
Thanks for your comment, much appreciated. The eye mask I bought was this one, amzn.to/4b0IjZK but it is no longer available. However one that looks very similar that is available is amzn.to/48WkVuE. But I think they're sort of generic with a number of seller selling the same product from the same factory. Thanks Phil
Nice one Phil. I guess we all have our own opinion's of standards. As for me in economy, if you you get at least 2 options for a meal, as long as it's not over or under cooked I'm happy. What was the Cognac option in the 1st lounge? Keep going with the good work. Steve. C.
Thanks for your kind comments Steve, I didn't even know that there were ever more than two options in economy, so I'm always happy with that. I'd rather that than huge food waste on every flight. When I was in the First Lounge last year I did a piece to camera and I say that it's Remy Martin brandy, otherwise I wouldn't have a clue. Thanks Phil
Thanks for your review, I found it very informative. We recently traveled with QR from MEL to CDG and thought the experience was great both ways….my concern with Josh’s review was not the content, but rather the way he dealt with the consequences of posting his video on the crew….that doesn’t justify QR’s behaviour but I feel he could have handled it differently and saved the crew.
Thank you for sharing your views, much appreciated. I agree with you, Qatar were probably a bit heavy handed but Josh didn't do anything to help himself. If the crew were dismissed then this is the saddest part of the story.
Nice review. Good to see considering I've never been on any of the middle east airlines.. For meal choices, I've been on several long flights in Eco recently with no choice - one meal, take or leave (in all cases a vegetarian one).
Every flight is so different, and josh had a bad one , we have had 2 bad flights so you were lucky, so rather try to put shit on someone, remember he's a professional your not, and he's got years and air miles millions of ahead of you, so please becarefull what you say I've met josh he's a really friendly nice guy. And he was last month voted best airline reviewer, he pays for his own flights unlike Sam chu. You have got years to make up good luck
Thank you for sharing your views Jenny. I appreciate your views but I have to take exception to your claim of me shitting on Josh Cahill. I disagreed with Josh's review based on his footage, not on my own experience, so to use your crude term Jenny, my opinion was that Josh was "shitting" on Qatar Airways, further, that he had done this for clicks and views and that he had singled out Qatar in an unfair way that he hadn't done to other airlines he'd reviewed. I challenge you to list which airlines where he has been offered less that three options in economy and then complained about it. So far the current list contains one airline. Qatar Airways. Pedigree is not a reason to not challenge someone Jenny, even the gods of reviews, like our pal Joshie, can be disagreed with. If you scroll down you'll see that there are more commenters who disagree with Josh and it is a vocal minority (like you) that agree. I would be far more interested in your experience with Qatar Airways than your drum beating and banner waving for your "boi" Josh! Thank you for kind wishes for a lucky future, Phil
Thank you for your comment, I use a GoPro Hero10 which is terrible in low light (as soon as they lower the cabin lights), but it is discreet. Do you have a recommendation?
I find the new Qatar security video kind of bizarre with the flight attendants popping up in weird places. Specifically, the part with the life jacket sticks out. I think you are right about the IFE systems personally I think Turkish's offering is better.
Thanks for your comment and your support, it's much appreciated. If it's the same video that I watched I think it's supposed to be Qatar around the world, so it's "look at all these places we fly to". I haven't tried Turkish but I do want to...
Thank you for sharing your views and also please never apologise for what those views are, this is an open forum and polite feedback is always welcome, which your is. I was not paid by Qatar Airways, I seriously doubt they know I exist and if they had paid me I imagine they would have asked for the dirty tray tables to be cut and more on how good the staff were, I didn't really observe the staff because my flight was before I knew about Josh getting banned. Thanks again for sharing, it is appreciated Phil
Thanks for your comment, I made this video after Josh Cahill made his critical video about Qatar airways and I wanted to compare my experience to Josh's, which is why Josh Cahill is mentioned in the video and in the title.
@@mygreygapyear Thanks, I think your reviews are very fair. I was just a bit angry that cabin crew got fired after Cahills video, while he was trying to make money. Do you think the seat (I believe its 68D) without seat in front (you showed in this video) is worth it or the width is reduced even more? I had some seats on other planes and enjoyed the leg room. but the width was not comfortable. Thanks in advance for your advice.
@@ambalina I don't think they could reduce the width of the seat any further, so this legroom seat is probably a good option, although it will probably have a cost to it. I don't need the legroom so I tend to not book these even if it's free.
*VIDEO FAQs.*
Thank you to everyone who has commented and shared their views, if you scroll down thorough the comments then you'll probably find most questions being answered but these are some of the most frequently asked questions and I will edit it to add more if needs be:
*Was I paid to make the video? Or, Do I work for Qatar Airways?*
No I am not paid by or part of Qatar Airways, I have never had any conversations with Qatar Airways and I have never been offered money or any free flights or any other inducement to make a video for Qatar Airways. If an airline did pay me or gave me the flight for free this would be made clear in the first 60 seconds of the video.
I also highly doubt that, if I was being paid to make the video, Qatar Airways would allow me to leave in the dirty tray tables, the poor USB charging points and my view of their headphones.
*What about Qatar and construction at FIFA's World Cup / employees being killed / ANY other political statement*
This isn't a political channel. This is a light hearted and fun travel channel. This video is focused on the rights of the workers that Josh Cahill films.
*Are you saying Josh Cahill is dishonest?*
This is my honest review of my Qatar Airways economy flight and that is the only reference to honesty. I am making no comments on Josh Cahill’s honesty.
*The cabin crew were fired, that is bad / should not happen.*
We don’t actually know what happened to the cabin crew. Josh Cahill hasn’t provided any evidence to this effect, he has said what he thinks may have happened. Qatar Airways have, to my knowledge, made no comment on this matter.
In short I don’t know what happened to them.
*Were Qatar “Right” to ban Josh Cahill?*
It’s not how I would have handled it but once they reached a certain point in their communication, I don’t know what else they could do. I would urge everyone to read Josh’s email in his banned and bribed video at timestamp 17.52.
I believe that Josh wouldn’t be allowed to fly on Qatar Airways again unless he agreed not to film the crew, but time will tell.
*What’s wrong with filming the cabin crew?*
These are human beings trying to earn a living. I don’t know where else you are permitted to film people as they go about their work in a private place. It has been suggested that you could film in my local supermarket, Tesco, but I can assure you that you cannot. Permission must be sought if you with to film there.
*But Josh claims he got permission.*
There are two things here. Firstly, if it is against the cabin crew’s employment contract to allow themselves to be filmed then they cannot give permission. Josh is told by a cabin manager that he is not permitted to film, any claims of getting permission after this is moot.
However, even is Josh Cahill gets permission to film the crew he would need to explain the context in which he intends to use the footage for that permission to be valid. Unless Josh said, “I just filmed you and I want to tell my audience that you turned your back on me and you were so cold and unmotivated, can I show your face please?”, then any claims of permission are false in my view.
Thank you for your interesting take on JC. Just a bit curious why you think Josh was banned because of the filming permission issue. He states they personally told him it wasn't the issue. Isn't it clear it's because he wouldn't take down the negative review?
Also, I imagine you must now get permission to film aboard their flights. It seems JC did not do anything different than any other reviewer who wishes to be sensitive to filming crew members. So why do you imply he refuses to comply with their policy on future flights?
Thanks
@@cchris874 This is my second reply to your comment I think UA-cam had a wobbler, so if a second reply appears from me, that's why.
It is some time since I watched Josh Cahill's videos, made mine and wrote the FAQs, so you have me at a disadvantage here, but I don't agree with the premise of your question, I don't believe I have implied anything.
In Josh's videos I don't recall any evidence that he was banned for making a negative review. There is ample evidence that he is not allowed to film the crew, when he is told not to and then when he is forced to blur the faces after the video is released (and that he is filming from within his jacket?)
Josh also flashes up onto the screen some of his emails to Qatar, which contain narrow questions that form a logical fallacy. It is difficult to have a conversation when someone makes a statement as part of their questions, for example your question,
"So why do you imply he refuses to comply with their policy on future flights?"
Simply put I don't agree that I have implied anything, so I cannot answer your question. Problems are solved when open questions are asked, not closed ones like that.
To answer your question about filming on Qatar, I have filmed three flights since Josh released his, I was reminded that filming the crew was not allowed and I agreed. I promised not to film the crew directly and blur any faces that appeared accidentally
I hope this helps you understand my point of view, but do feel free to come back to me if you wish to discuss this further,
Regards
Phil
@@mygreygapyear
Thanks, I do appreciate seeing different points of view. I realize it's been a while since Josh's video came out.
I just though out of curiosity if we could resolve something. You state that "Josh is told by a cabin manager that he is not permitted to film."
My memory is not what it used to be, but I just watched again the entire 20 minute video, and I see no mention that a cabin manager tells him this. Is this from another video?
Thanks
@@cchris874 You watched the whole thing? I don't think you did mate, ua-cam.com/video/pPZ69ff-OKA/v-deo.html time stamp is 8.11 then Josh talks about it (so ya didn't watch it, did ya?) [FROM THE VIDEO: "Right at the door I'm told off not to film... ]
@@mygreygapyear
Sorry I was referring to the 20 minute "bribe" video made 4 months later That is the one I re-watched yesterday. I hope you realize this is a misunderstanding. Thanks.
The older video I watched several weeks ago and didn't remember that two second segment (I told you my memory isn't perfect, didn't I?) :) :). So I watched it gain just now, and I do agree with you. Maybe the reason it didn't register is because Josh says "fine with me," as if he is going to comply. Puzzling to be sure, now that I watched it again.
With this point now resolved (all my fault) the final question I have is, Josh claims that ("bribe video")
"I asked about the Privacy
6:44
whether they've been concerned about
6:46
faces being shown though I had
6:48
permission from the crew members that I
6:50
interact with on the flight and they
6:52
said no we don't have any concerns about
6:54
privacy whatsoever . . . "
If this is true, then why would it not be just as plausible that the reason for the ban is that QR was angry about the bad PR fallout from the original video, and not violating the filming policy? Is it just coincidence that this was a very critical review?
Thank you, and if you would like to continue, please let's try to assume the best of motives. :)
I am with Josh. That seat was filthy. Food I can live with, service I can live with, but that grime and dirt was horrible. I wouldn't want to sit in it. The FAs could have been nicer, but the cleaners are the ones who feel down on the job.
Thank you for sharing your views, much appreciated. It is helpful and interesting to find what viewers find the more important factors. For example, if a tray table is missed then I can get it cleaned, in the same way if I sit at an uncleared table in a busy bar/restaurant I know the table will be cleared and wiped for me. However a number of viewers have expressed how important a clean tray table is to them.
As I explained in the video, there were delays at Melbourne due to weather conditions, and this may have shortened the time the cleaning crew had to clean the aircraft. This isn't an excuse for missing a row of tray tables, but it would explain how this human error could have happened and that this isn't the normal service that Qatar would offer.
Again, I am grateful to you for sharing your views, it really is very helpful,
Phil
Josh is a moron he had problems with so many airlines and he should remember every route is different and airlines they focus on their premium routes
Thank you for sharing your views
I agree 👍 with you the seats weren't clean furthermore being told that some foods were not available and only choice left were noodle dishes which I accepted due to been told nothing other was, which was cold rubbery not for consumption 😮 my husband went to have it heated up & saw the air hostess hoeing into the meat dishes which I first wanted, how inappropriate was that caught out‼️‼️‼️‼️ the service was one of least which I could call acceptable. Hope they improve in future.
Flight home 5 weeks ago with qatar.. Found it pretty OK.. Did find one of the staff members abit abrupt but everything else seamed good.. As well as the bathroom.. On economy that was.. On josh cahill I find him truthful and on point with many things.. He does not seem to buddy up to airlines or enlighten them of his attendance like another flight blogger we all know.. Yes sometimes it looks petty but it's his job as he sees it to get us value for money, safely landed and respected as paying customers.. I will say that 1 bad flight does not make it a bad airline and the tit for tat between them was not a good look for both party's.. I still fly qatar and I still watch and follow josh cahill..
Whether you believe their economy class to be good or bad, I think everyone should be able to agree however still that Qatar’s response to his video was very over the top, banning someone and sacking cabin crew should never have been done. I think their economy class only lacks when you get their older aircraft, otherwise they have a perfectly fine economy class product.
Thank you for your feedback, a very reasonable and measured view, much appreciated.
If the cabin crew were fired then I would agree that this an over reaction to Josh's video, but I'm not aware of any evidence that they have been. If you could the timestamp of Josh Cahill's video that offers evidence then I'd appreciate it.
And, if the crew were fired, then I think Josh Cahill should offer to support them. He is clearly successful and in a position to financially compensate them.
I would like to experience their older aircraft, if anyone can recommend a route I can try I'd appreciate it.
Thank you
Phil
Phil
@@mygreygapyear I think he claimed to have heard it from someone who worked at Qatar Airways. They tend to use older planes in shorter routes, and because of their dispute with Airbus over the a350 they had to use older planes for longer. When I flew from Manchester-Doha last year I got an a former Virgin Australia 777, which Qatar hadn’t changed the interior of so the economy class was quite dated and not the actual Qatar product. Their a330 aircraft are also quite old.
@@mygreygapyear on the other hand though Qatar’s a380 economy class is world class
The second part of my flight home was from Doha to Manchester but I'd managed to get a business redemption, I wonder if they've updated it since? Was it still in Virgin colours? I'd live to try that out.
@smilesmite6682 Another coincidence we share, an A380 in economy into Heathrow was supposed to be my flight home but I managed to switch it to Manchester, which is much closer to me than Heathrow.
I think this proves Josh Cahill's review to be honest! The inconsistency of Qatar's product and dependant on the mood of the crew due to fatigue - which I believe they are addressing at the moment with the new CEO making some positive adjustments. On one flight with Qatar you may get a brand new A350-1000 with all the latest seats, hard products etc but on another you my get a tired, battered old cabin 777-300ER yet on another you could get a retrofitted 777-300ER cabin etc etc. Completely inconsistent and Qatar banning a customer for a flight review on that terrible product which is on the A330 just shows the silencing culture at Qatar airways unable to speak out about it and to resolve the problem they just try to delete it completely.
Thank you for sharing your views, it's much appreciated.
I want to be clear, I'm giving my honest review of my flight, I make no comment on Josh Cahill's honesty. And also, regarding silencing culture, I'm not aware of any official statement or comment made by Qatar Airways so I only know what Josh Cahill has told us.
I do, however, disagree with Josh on his review of Qatar Airways and, as I've said in other comments, this is based on the footage he has provided.
I suspect that Qatar Airways took the decision to ban Josh Cahill because:
1. They felt the video was unfair
2. They were unhappy with the way Josh managed the meeting they had afterwards.
3. His emails that he put up on the screen seemed to me to be bad tempered to the point of being unprofessional (did you pause the video and read them?)
Why would they fight with him over unfair videos if they can just prevent him from making them in the first place? So on this basis I think it is an entirely reasonable response from Qatar Airways.
I do want to try some of their old crappy cabins if you know of some of the routes and could let me know in these comments then I would appreciate it.
Thank you for sharing your views,
Phil
I 💯 agreed with what Josh Cahill said, Qatar should have handled it better other than banning him. It just shows how they silenced people using their power.
Thank you for sharing your views,
I agree. I found Josh to be quite fair and professional in his dealings with Qatar. It was inappropriate for QA to ban him at least for the reasons given.
@BSGSV and @nkbaby1069 : Thank you for sharing your views, I think we'll have to just disagree on this, but I will urge you to read the email in the banned and bribed video (timestamp 17.52) and consider the closed language and logical fallacy that Josh Cahill is using (just google "logical fallacy" if you don't know what I mean), followed by "why is that?".
The Qatar Airlines response simply states that they do not accept these statements made by Josh, therefore they cannot comment on them. They then refer to Josh Cahill's alleged breech of Qatari law, which they say Josh Cahill has yet to address (if anyone's interested his booking reference is in that email)
When I read those two emails it told me everything I needed to know about why Josh Cahill was banned. I do wonder if the allegations are was civil or criminal and what would happen if he returned to Doha via British Airways perhaps. Now that is a video I'd like to see 😊
Again, thank you for sharing your views, some additional information on why you feel the way you do would be much appreciated, I am open minded and when the facts change my views change with them.
All the very best,
Phil
Just flown 4 flights in Qatar economy. Two from Manchester to Doha on 777's, and two from Doha to Bangalore on A350's. The 777's were tired and shabby, with broken Oryx systems (headphones were more mono and frozen flight map) and a lousy selection of content (and yes different on different planes on the same route). The toilet basin water also had run out by halfway through one flight. The A350-1000's were obviously a different class of service and condition being very new. Despite the staff being decent enough, the worst thing was that a group of passengers had befriended an attendant, and were talking to them at the galley - standing up all the time. The attendant made them all coffee in the galley area whilst chatting, not from the aisle trolley service. They continued to stand up clogging the galley/toilet aisle area and talk with the attendant, drinking their coffee even when going through rough turbulence, when obviously up the fasten seatbelt sign came on! Meanwhile, at the very same time another cabin attendant was coming through with the drinks / snack trolley, but told anyone who asked for coffee (= me) that they could not have one as she was not allowed to serve hot water when the return to seat / seatbelt on sign was lit! Yet we were literally watching the staff's newly befriended passengers happily drinking their personally made by staff coffee standing up in the galley area!😮. Hypocrisy, double standards, friendly staff losing their judgement? Call it what you like, and it seems a petty complaint but it really annoyed lots of us in the seats closest aware of what was going on. Add to all this a truly shambolic boarding process at Manchester and I have to say that Qatar's reputation of economy being close to others premium economy in my opinion is not deserving at all. One last thing, why an amenity kit on one leg of the journey and not on another? All the flights were classed as long haul, so either do it for all or don't Qatar, but having no standardisation is bizarre and stupid.
Thank you for sharing your views. I have to admit I usually do for a walk to the back of the plane in economy, and hang out in the rear galley for a while. A leg stretch and a drink breaks up the journey a little. But very unusual to let passengers stand and drink coffee when the seatbelt sign is on. The FA who refused you coffee was correct and you'd be glad they did if the plane suddenly dropped 1000 feet. Of course that doesn't change the level of frustration you feel.
Thank you again for sharing your views on Qatar Airways, this is very helpful when other viewers are considering booking flights.
Phil
As a QR crew, we were delighted when Josh published his video and many jumped to the comments section to voice their issues with the airline management at the time, unfortunately, Josh’s following video told the crew “if you don’t like your job, then quit” which Left us with a horrible taste in our mouths.
To his credit, your flight is among the preferred ones among the crew as Australians and British don’t cause as many issues onboard as the bread and butter of the airline do on the typical European and American destinations.
Loved the video and I hope you enjoyed the trip, hope to see you on a flight one day ^w^
Thank you for your comment and for sharing your views. I am surprised that Qatar crew were happy about what Josh said about the crews he had, he basically said you were worse than useless, no? Cold, tuning your back, not saying hello, no interest in the passengers, and so on.
And then Josh said, as he's filmed the crew and not blurred their faces and they could be identified, they all got sacked!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video, I've flown a fair bit with Qatar and I haven't had a bad crew and I'm always greeted warmly at the aircraft door, if I'm on one of your flights say hi.
Thanks
Phil
I have been a qatar customer since 1997 they have improved a lot and I would never use any other airline can’t be beaten compared to British airways which has gone downhill there are 2 airlines whose service are the best QATAR and EMIRATES.
Thanks for your comment and for sharing your views, although I still find BA to be one of my favourite airlines, I agree that Qatar are an excellent airline.
I was a big fan of QR when my family traveled business class and economy. I have only traveled economy. 2023 I saw a sharp decline in the quality of their product and they started charging for ever economy seat except middle class. This bothered me as my wife had to travel emergency on bereavement and chosen an aisle seat due to severe shoulder issues. The allocation never got confirmed and it was a lot of tears and a kind supervisor who got her a decent seat. On the way back, she paid for a decent seat. My point is she raked up enough points to get lounge access but they weren’t kind on a compassionate note to treat her well when she was grieving. If an airline only cares about bottom line, then my loyalty is lost no matter what UA-cam and a review tells me. Content generation and influencers may have biased views but true story, Qatar is trying to maximize revenue by itemizing charges but doesn’t care about economy. Truly made me feel like cattle class. Dignity and honor is something that cannot be compromised.
Thank you for sharing your views. I'm perhaps a little confused, it sounds like there was an issue with her seat selection but the cabin manager helped her get a seat that met her medical needs? But there was a separate issue on another flight where your wife felt that she wasn't treated very well and this was at a difficult time as she was travelling due to a bereavement.
So let me say this, my cabin crew were perfectly adequate and I had no issues but then I also didn't have any particular needs and I think it's when cabin crews meet these out of the ordinary situations that the good ones shine and the others let themselves down. It sounds like in your wife's situation the crew should have done better.
Thank you for sharing your experience,
Phil
Every flight is different, either you fly on the worst airline ever or the best. The worst airline's experience can be better sometimes then the world's best airline.
I agree, every flight review is one person's opinion of one flight.
I flew a round trip from Manchester to Kuala Lumpur via Doha in January with 2 of the legs being on 777’s. I found the seats to be very uncomfortable with seats either side of me occupied. The seats had very little padding and at the end of the flight my back hurt. The food and drink was good. The crew were professional but at the same time appeared like they were all new to the role, and service was painfully slow. I think it all comes down to your expectations.
Thank you for your comment and your support. I can't remember if I mention it in the video but the seat padding does give me the old numb bum, where I didn't get it as much with Malaysia. If I was flying Qatar economy again I would definitely book the aisle so I could get up frequently without disturbing anyone.
Do you think Emirates or Singapore Air is better?
From an economy stand point I haven't flown with either I'm afraid.
I have flown Cph-Doha-BKK with respectively A380-800 and Boeing 787-9. I think both pitch and width are small. I had a backpack under the seat in front, and since the seat in front was reclined, I had NO possibility of reaching my bag during the entire flight - but it's still nice that they can be reclined a lot, since you often need a nap on long distances
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I also think the width is narrow. (I'm a small person, and with those seats, I don't want to be bigger).
I think it's good that you get 2 choices regarding food. Service on the flight fine.
Thanks for your comment, I didn't even think about trying to get my bag out with the seat in front reclined, thinking about it now, I agree, it would be very difficult / impossible to get at my bag during the flight if I was on a full row with the person in front reclined.
And thank you for letting me know that you found the seats narrow, I found them narrow, but good to hear others feel the same way.
Thanks,
Phil
Are you getting a free flight courtesy of Qatar? My experience mirrors that of Cahill. I recommend avoiding any Middle Eastern airlines.
Thank you for sharing your views, please read my FAQs.
As frequent flin Qatarairway. I recently travelled from Doha to Kathmandu on business class and found degraded in some facilities, i.e., no amenity kit, did not sereved wine during my main meal which O already ordered. Lack of Crew response. Now, I am travelling back to Doha again, I will double check .😅😅
Thanks for your comment, it's a real shame you didn't get a brilliant experience, these business flights are expensive and you deserve better.
I recently took three Qatar Airways business flights and I got two different amenity kits. The daytime kit was a small cardboard box wrapped in a ribbon and the overnight flight had a more substantial one in a proper wash bag. On the crews, one seemed very rushed and stressed but the others were perfect.
I hope you have a perfect return flight and a wonderful trip,
Phil
How would you compare Economy Qatar and Economy with Emirates? which is better choice in your opinion?
Thanks for your question, I haven't tried Emirates economy yet, but I'll let you know once I have.
How much money or % you have taken for this video from qatar airways?
Thank you for your question, I received no payment in cash of flights or anything from Qatar Airways, I guess the dirty tray tables would have been cut if they had... I am getting bored of typing this now, please scroll down...
Josh is an experienced flight reviewer with hundreds more flight hours under his belt than you. He’s flown Qatar dozens of times so he’s got a good baseline to critique flights off of. Qatar deserved to be skewered exponentially more than what they got.
thanks for the comment josh's mum
Thank you for your comment and for sharing your views, I do appreciate it. I agree with you that Josh Cahill is an experienced reviewer and will have flown significantly more flights than I have with more airlines in more classes. However, I disagreed with his review of Qatar Airways based on the footage that he provided.
However, I respect your opinion and I have specifically asked viewers to share their views, and I thank you for sharing,
Phil
Josh Cahill is the most arrogant, ego-maniacal, narcissistic, disrespectful, self-absorbed travel "vlogger" online that is more concerned with keeping the camera on himself with 75%+ average running time of each video centered on his face in his desperate attempt for fame. And don't get me started on his over-priced garbage he calls "merchandise". I hope more airlines ban him and I pity any passenger condemned to sit near him on any given flight.
@@AudiS4B7 wow it looks like my comment hit hard enough for @QatarAirways to troll me. You coulda picked a better fake username than a hunk a junk Audi
@ffrich34 I would proper love that, if an official at Qatar Airways had made that Josh's mum comment 😂😂😂
Unfortunately I doubt they know this channel exists. Again, thank you for sharing your views,
Phil
The cleanliness was fine on the flights I took, but the seats were truly excruciating after a few hours.
I remember my flights on Air France and Aer Lingus economy to be relatively comfortable with better legroom.
Thanks for your comment, I remember finding the seats a little thin giving me the old numb bum 😊
@@mygreygapyear Numbness would have been an improvement on our journey.
Flight experience also depends on route and point of origin. Planes, lounges, ground staff, catering service, cabin crew, or passenger quality may be different, even if it's the same airline. And flying from Tokyo to New York on ANA or JAL is not always the same experience as flying from New York to Tokyo, because it's often difficult to get the same level of quality catering from the US.
If I recall Mr. Cahill was flying from Colombo, Sri Lanka to Doha. Comparing that route with a flight from Melbourne, is comparing apples and oranges. Both flights are indeed one aspect of Qatar Airways experience, but both flights are only one of the many experiences. Frequent flyers should already know that taking one random flight and judging and generalizing an entire airline is not really logical nor accurate.
Thank you for sharing your views.
Your review comparison with Josh is a bit biased.
You are not comparing the same product and experience since it's not the same aircraft and route.
Josh is pointing out a decline after having experienced many flights with QA. The aircraft condition, cleaningness and the service was not up to the standard QA has been known for.
If you want to make a video to compare your review to Josh, I encourage you to take the same route and aircraft to provide a fair review.
Thank you for sharing your views, I guess there is always an element of bias in flight reviews, each flight is one person's view on one flight, Josh Cahill didn't like his but I would continue to recommend Qatar Airways. Great idea to take a flight on the same route though. Of course I might struggle to find the exact plane that Josh Cahill flew on, it's the only one (of four?) on that route.
@@mygreygapyear you might find out that some airlines prioritize their good aircraft and best staff on routes towards 1st world countries whilst giving outdated aircrafts and poor service for some other countries. I've seen this many times. This said, with QA we should expect the same quality on all flights . Otherwise take down their rewards.
But what bothers me in your review is the angle you chose. It's one thing to disagree staying factual but disregarding the experience of Josh like you did makes it sound like you just want to be in the good papers of QA and eventually get some free flights. You clearly saw in the washroom state and the condition of the cabin.
It's ok if you had a good experience with them on your specific flight but the right thing is for you to look up for the aircraft , and fly to Colombo.
Thank you for sharing your views, it is much appreciated. I don't care about getting free flights from anyone, do you really think that QR would have allowed me to keep dirty tray tables in the video?
Airlines are businesses and make commercial decisions. And customers have a choice, there is no requirement for you to fly Qatar Airways, if they flight poor quality aircraft pick another carrier, or Josh could have picked a different Qatar flight with newer equipment, they fly five times per day from Colombo.
But of course this wouldn't have made the flight review he wanted to make, normal economy flights are pretty boring, they need a hook and he found it in old equipment.
So I disagree with Josh Cahill's review based on the footage he has provided (one toilet has a wet floor, the other one looks ok though?), I've covered this extensively in other replies, please do read them, I've quickly whizzed down and done a copy and paste job from one of them.
Thanks again for sharing,
Phil
### COPIED FROM A PREVIOUS COMMENT FROM @shidulislam5932 ###
Essentially I disagree with Josh Cahill's review of Qatar Airways based on the footage provided by Josh Cahill. Let me demonstrate that I've watched the videos by giving you some examples:
1. I disagree that the crew member was "...turning their back on me without saying hello, being super cold... " (timestamp 2.51)
It is my view that the crew members were trying to make space for Josh to walk through the galley and/or trying to avoid being filmed. Josh also claims that the rest of the crew "absolutely lacked motivation" which I feel is harsh criticism. as both crew members are in the aisle welcoming passengers.
2. Josh claims that he is offered two choices and that this is "underwhelming" (timestamp 10.26)
In the follow up video where Emirates "saves" Josh Cahill he doesn't comment on the number of meal choices. If any airline that fails to provide three or more economy meal choices is underwhelming then why does Josh single out Qatar Airways? How many of Josh Cahill's past videos does he even tell his loyal viewers how many meal choices he has (so I think this may be an unfair criticism, perhaps biased?)
3. After telling us his server is the one "Beacon of Hope" (9.45) Josh complains of service being "uncoordinated, a bit hectic" (10.43). In my opinion Josh Cahill has now stopped reviewing a flight that seems perfectly adequate (the flight to London) and at this point I feel that Josh is looking for things to complain about.
I especially dislike the personal attacks on the crew using emotive language like "unmotivated" and " super cold". These crew members are not public figures (like politicians or UA-camrs) who have put themselves in the public eye and cannot complain about publicity, they are simply the cabin crew trying to do their job top the best of their abilities. But I'll go further, they are son's and daughters, they are brothers and sisters and some of them will be mothers and fathers.
The crew didn't ask to go on UA-cam. In fact Josh Cahill was told clearly that he wasn't allowed to film the crew (8.12) and then complains about how he's told he's not allowed to film (8.15). But of course, he's Josh Cahill, the rules don't apply to him. He continues to film (and is subsequently banned by Qatar Airways for filming on flights, he can't say he wasn't told can he?).
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@@Super-JDwell said, agree 100%
I’m flying with Qatar from Heathrow to Doha and wondered if you knew what aircraft they usually used?
It's a mixed bag I'm afraid, they have Boeing 777, as well as Airbus A350 and an A380. If you're business class you probably want the A350 which should have Qsuite on it, but if you're in economy then you can sit upstairs on the A380 :)
If you look at your flight number have a look on Google flights (the flight booking engine) and it should tell you what equipment each flight is scheduled to have on it.
Have a great trip
Phil
To start with you need a better camera. My experience with Qatar terrible. Josh Cahill is spot on.
Thanks for sharing your views. I use a go pro (same camera that Josh Cahill uses) which doesn't work great in low light but other people do get good videos out of it so maybe I need to learn how to use it 😉.
3 choices in Saudia economy. A bun without any butter or cheese is usually not preferred but that is a norm at Qatar Airways, unlike Emirates or Saudia. I am afraid I would agree with Josh that economy class in Qatar Airways is a bit underwhelming
Thank you for sharing you views, and thank you for being the first person (I think) to tell me how many economy meal options another airline offers, that is much appreciated. I am most grateful for your very interesting point about the absent butter for the roll, I didn't even notice that but I feel sure you're right, there was no butter, and I agree with you, that is poor.
No I won't fight for Josh Cahill to be un-banned but I would like to start #reinstatethebutter.
Thank you for your constructive and insightful comment, it is appreciated,
Phil
Qatar economy class in my experience mirrored Josh’s experience. Toilets in particular were gross, no cleaning during the flight on a long haul, some serious health & safety concerns. Their business class is very good, some of that quality needs to be replicated a little on economy.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, that first toilet in Josh's video seemed bad (wet floor is never good) but the second one looked ok. How did you find the crew, mine were excellent.
@ I found them pleasant enough, I had the wet floor experience, I had to ask the crew to kindly clean the toilet as it was so bad I couldn’t use it. They did eventually oblige. Also I found that compared to Singapore airlines, who have at least 2 people per trolly per isle, Qatar only had one per isle in economy. Overall I think that SIA offer a better economy class product, given that most people fly economy more emphasis needs to be given to economy service by airlines. Qatar tends to focus on the business and first class more.
@@malpalmer3269 Yeah, I've seen that with Qatar (I think) with one member of staff per trolley. It was in a section with few passengers, so I'm not sure what it was like in the busier rear economy cabin.
@ very very slow service in a full economy flight
I’ve flown on the 777 a lot and these look like the A350 seats so I’m assuming Qatar is swapping the old ones out finally?
Thanks for your comment, the seats looked and felt new, IFE screens seemed good in the seat back so I think you're right.
I’ve just flown Dublin -Doha- bkk on 787-8 & 777-300 , the Dublin -Doha flight was absolutely horrendous with cabin crew bickering, cold dinner & lots more issues . Complaint made with no response
That sounds very bad, especially the bickering staff. One this I will agree on and will say is consistent with the Middle Eastern Super Carriers, zero customer support when things go wrong.
Qatar's handling of Cahill's criticism and their response was certainly pathetic. Qatar airways sucks. Totally. Maybe the aircrafts on certain sectors like Australia , Europe and US are decent, but their aircraft operating to South Asia are deliberately the worst. Racist and pathetic airline
Thank you for sharing your views, it's much appreciated. My personal view with Josh Cahill is that he didn't help himself, I think there's two sides to every story, if you scroll down to some of the other comments you can read more on my views there.
Regarding Qatar Airways deliberately putting specific aircraft on certain routes: Yes. This is *obviously* deliberate. No airline randomly assigns aircraft to specific routes, I can imagine the planners rolling dice saying "Come on double six, mamma needs an A380 out of London".
I would imagine these decisions are usually based on passenger numbers, seat revenue and things like that. I'm perplexed as to why this would be attributed to racism.
If someone could explain to me why Qatar Airways would be prejudiced against it's own customers in a calm and measured way I would appreciate it. And if this is the case I am further baffled why anyone from these countries would fly with them.
I hope my reply can be seen in the light it is meant, as a counter point for you to consider, but if you know why Qatar Airlines would be prejudiced and then how you know, I would want to hear about it, because that would be terrible.
Thank you for sharing,
Phil
@@mygreygapyear I am sure you understand that I was referring to condition of aircraft and not type of aircraft. As regards how I know what I know; well I have been flying across continents on business since 2002. As to why people from these countries still fly with them, it’s because of very simple reasons like
1. To travel to Qatar, they are quickest and cheapest
2. Not all are frequent flyers and hence don’t know they are being taken for granted and
3. Tickets are often booked by agents / employers etc
Thank you for giving me some additional feedback, I have a better understanding of the motivation for using Qatar Airways over other aircraft.
I hope you understand I was trying to illustrate a point rather than be flippant on a serious point and the point is all airlines have different aircraft of different ages and they make deliberate decisions on where to fly those aircraft.
That in and of itself is not racism. Malaysia fly an inferior product to Melbourne compared to the one they fly to London (and this is common on flights to Australia), but that is a commercial decision and not racism.
I do genuinely appreciate your feedback and I do want to understand this racism claim better, thank you for sharing your views,
Phil
@@TRUTHWINSALLWAYS Thanks for your question, regarding payment for this review of Qatar Airways Economy Class, Qatar airways didn't pay me anything. If Qatar had editorial control then I imagine the dirty tray table would not have made it into the video. I do discuss this in the FAQ pinned comment.
The video is of course monetised so the UA-cam ads generate some revenue, but I have only had one flight video make an actual profit and this isn't it.
Thank you again,
Phil
@@TRUTHWINSALLWAYS Thank you for your comment, I am not lying and I am a little offended that you would accuse me of that.
Let me say again, I have made a truthful, fair and unbiased video of an experience that I had in Qatar Airways Economy Class, and I was not paid by Qatar Airways or anyone else to make this video.
I’m not sure if this is the case but when booking avios flights on Qatar through BA you get free seats, I’m travelling from London to Brisbane and back and got extra legroom seats in the forward cabin on every flight, bare in mind this is 4 people travelling so quite a good perk if you ask me
Thanks for your comment, it is a big saving, especially if there's 4 of you. I've had mixed results booking through Oneworld airlines with BA status. Malaysia charged me for seat allocation (boooo...). This Qatar flight was booked on a BA codeshare so no issues there. Cathay Pacific didn't charge me for seat selection, might be status or might be that they don't charge in business (unlikely).
@@mygreygapyear Yes it was an awesome saving! Almost £1,600 when I looked on there website!
Morning Phil. That was a great review, I guess if you keep your expectations realistic you won't be disappointed. Certainly better than we get on US carriers. Your comments definitely demonstrated that famous "British sense of fairness".
Thank you for your comment, I think you've hit the nail on the head with realistic expectations.
How much they paid you?
We can agree or disagree with the styles a flight reviewer has and their reasoning, even their experience on board. The thing that has caused outrage is the reaction from the higher ups at the carrier. I think he tried to be as reasonable in sorting this issue as possible.
Ultimately, the carrier has some great flights, some "standard" flights, and those leaving you with more to be desired. That said, I am looking to fly with the carrier in 9 months' time (depending on my budget).
Thanks for your comment and for sharing your views, I think I've covered your points in the FAQ but it's been a while. Essentially my issue with Josh Cahill's video was based on the footage that he provided, it seemed to me that he had booked that flight with the intention of "doing a hatchet job" on Qatar. Then, again based on the footage provided by Josh in his follow up video I really don't see what other option that Qatar had but to ban him. He had another flight booked, more preconceived "bad reviews" incoming?
Anyway, those are my views, and I do appreciate you sharing yours, my flights with Qatar have generally been good, so I think you should book if you can afford it and I hope you have a brilliant trip.
Thanks
Phil
I avoid Qatar.. they have all these problems recently... as Josh mentioned.. Emirates is the best❤
Thank you for sharing your views
Have a 2 leg qatar economy flight this year and not looking forward to it after seeing this video. The seats look as narrow and thinly padded as a ryanair seat with the fuselage being intrusive for the window occupant. Cant imagine being bunched in a row of 3 with other passengers on those. Plus the poor quality headphones with non working usb ports and no power supply. Unfortunately i feel that your view of not expecting these things from an airline is misguided, especially when its an airline vying to be the best in the world which charges top whack for any class, at the end of the day we’re the paying customers and they’re offering us a service. If the hard or soft product has issues which results in them not being offered as advertised then they should be called out on them. Oh and the filthy tray tables from previous passengers meals would be absolutely horrid to discover.
Thank you for sharing your views, I do appreciate it. I do wonder if I'd be piling on with Qatar bashing if I'd had to spend the entire flight in that window seat for 14 hours, but I can only talk about my experience, all these flight reviews are basically one persons view of one flight.
If you suffer from "Numb Bum" then I would think about a cushion and an aisle seat so you can get up regularly. If you can't get a refund on your ticket then, after this upcoming experience, I would vote with your feet and chose a different airline, but I'm yet to find any economy class that is much more than A to B The seat from London to Kuala Lumpur in Economy with Malaysia was more comfortable than this one.
Thank you again for sharing your views, and I hope the video has forewarned you at least to take some sanitising wipes 😊
I hope you do end up having a pleasant trip,
Phil
It's just the life of the economy passenger, typically chasing for the cheapest trip.
I did a double leg amsterdam-doha-cape town (18 hours in the air) and is exacty as you discribe and fear. Especially at he window the space is so narrow, no wonder people are spilling their food and drinks. When all passengers walk out, the cabin is a complete mess with blankets, food items, cans and cups, headphones all over the plane and very sticky chairs from coke and snacks.
It's completely logical plane is not sterile clean. It would take 10 persons two or more days to reset the interior.
Thank you for sharing your views, I agree with you, the life of the economy passenger chasing the cheapest trip, and this is what Qatar and all other carriers have to deal with.
I have had 8 flights with Qatar. First ever flight I had food poisoning. Trip from Doha to Hanoi, they missed my bag and never assigned me the seat I paid for. So a 25 % failure,. The drinks were fine but the food was really average. The staff were inconsistent, some good, some average, some acted as we were an inconvenience to them. They are an average airline, no way a 5 star. The Asian airlines are much better.
Thanks for your comment, I've found Qatar Airways to be more expensive than other airlines, certainly on the routes that I tend to fly, so I think if one in four flights are disastrous it's time to vote with your feet and book with another airline.
Have flown last October 4 sectors with Qatar in business, the seat product is great, but I found that the service didn't match the hard product. One segment had the most appalling and ignorant staff. On that basis I would not fly them again.
Thank you for sharing your views, dissatisfaction with the cabin crew is a running theme and it does seem that Qatar Airways needs to address this. My crew were fine but others seem to have poor experiences. I'd appreciate it if you could give some examples of how the crew were bad.
Thanks
Phil
@@mygreygapyear Felt staff just didn't want to be there. Robotic and no smiles not even a greeting. Had a broken seat on 1 segment, flight attendant basically blamed me for it. Tried to be polite and signal them to fix but didn't want to know about it. Rang the bell and they had a look at it and said they would come back and they didnt. Until I said I would make and official complaint did they start helping, manually re-set seat. The time it took I missed out on meal service. Complained to airline but was fobbed off and offered Avios which was never received. It is a systemic rot in this airline from the head down. Staff are treated like slaves and are continuously tired.
I mean that is awful, if that had been my experience on this flight, or Josh's experience for that matter, I would definitely feel differently. Missing a meal on an economy flight is always a disappointment, it's the one thing that breaks them up.
I hope you were able to get some compensation, a few Avios after the fact can ease the pain.
Thanks for following up, much appreciated,
Phil
Thnx for the fun video. A little hint to avoid that awful flickering in the video: Obviously your framerate of the camera matched with the frequency of the electric power in the airport. Just adjust the framerate a little, like 48fps or 52fps instead of 50, and the flickering will be gone. :)
Thanks for your comment and your tip. Is that a standard thing that electric lights run at that frequency or do lights run at different frequencies? The reason I ask is that the flickering isn't obvious when I'm recording and looking at the screen.
I have also updated my camera from a GoPro to a Sony, so hopefully that will help :)
Thanks Again,
Phil
@mygreygapyear 50Hz is a quite common standard in the power grid. Unfortunately 50fps is a common standard, too. 😂 The monitor of the camera has a different framerate, that's the reason why you don't see the flickering when filming. And by the way, congrats for your new camera. 👍👌
I'll make the change, thank you, I appreciate your help.
@@mygreygapyear Oh I forgot a detail: Not only the very same frequency causes flickering, an integer fraction or an integer multiple of it does, too. So, maybe your cam is set to a framerate of 25fps, which is exact half of 50. If that's the case, just change it to 24 or 26fps.
@@d_mosimann On my current camera I'm using 4k 30? Hopefully this will resolve the issue (I really am a noob with camera equipment)
Nice mate! Doha does have a premium customs and security which is really great. I don't know with 100% certainty although I'd have guessed that One World emeralds would be granted access. I've also found that you can only QR awards if you have a 24hr+ layover in Doha. I suspect they're trying to encourage tourism?
Thanks for your comment Paul, I didn't know there was priority immigration, that is something I'll have to look for next time, even if there is a charge
I would expect three choices in a world class economy flight main meal - Two protiens and a veggie; or perhaps as many as four for a non western world airline (two local, Two western, one each of veggie and protien (unless the local cuisine tends to be veggie only)..
Thank you for sharing your views, much appreciated.
I've flown all the middle east Airlines many times. Qatar are generally very good and where competitive they are my preference. However, every airline can have a bad flight from time to time, so perspective is needed before trashing any airline.
Thanks for sharing your views, much appreciated. You echo my own sentiments that every flight review is one persons opinion of one flight 😀
I’ve always had very good experiences flying Qatar….in all classes. The airline probably went over the top in their response to Josh Cahill, but in addition, he is a bit of a drama Queen, and wants the views. If you want a poor experience, fly Qantas.
Thanks for your comment, it's much appreciated. I think you've just about summed up my feelings in two sentences 😊
We have 3 choices for long haul flights. But if we run out of a third choice obviously we wont mention that third choice
Thanks for your comment, appreciated.
How was the bar selection on the flight?😅
Do you mean drink service? There was a pretty good selection, I had to ask for Jack Daniels (never offered) so I recommend checking the online menu. If you mean the "Economy Class Bar" (rear galley where the ordinary people tend to gather for a leg stretch, drink and a snack) it was small on this plane, and the crew used it as their rest area so pulled a curtain across while I was standing back there.
@mygreygapyear Thanks for the elaborate information on the drink selections. And may I add that one should manage one's expectations when travelling on economy class, coz there's always the business class if more is required.😄Lol!
Hi Phil, I'm a firm believer in judging apples with apples. If you had taken the same flight as Josh your review would be at least credible. Thanks for your review.
Thank you for sharing your views, "at least credible", ouch 😂. Every flight review is one person's opinion of one flight.
I have explained further down in the comments about the issues that I have with Josh's two videos based on the footage he provided, I'll let you read those.
Thanks
Phil
I have to fly for the first time in my life with a plane and that's exactly with the Qatar company and I bought a ticket to Jakarta from Sarajevo to Doha, the first flight where I bought a window seat to see what the flight looks like for the first time from the air and the other flights are economical where do they give me because it doesn't matter to me anymore to look at the seat, whatever it is, I'm used to hard times, I survived the war in Bosnia and much worse things, so I'll survive the flight too, God willing 😊👋
I am humbled by your comment, thank you for sharing. It is always worth being reminded that issues with food and seats on airplanes are very small problems in the larger scheme of things.
I hope you came out the other side of that conflict in tact, thank you for reminding us all that there are more important things in this world.
I wish you the very best and I would love to visit your country and that region someday soon.
Thank you
Phil
You certainly don't like josh do you?
Thanks for your comment. I don't know Josh Cahill so I can neither like nor dislike him personally. I do take exception with some of the things Josh Cahill says and does though. I particularly take exception to his view, expressed via his actions in his videos, that cabin crew are basically collateral damage and if their lives are ruined, well that's just tough.
I think you just saying that about Josh's the only reason is because you got a special deal for that flight and I don't think you know how to review a flight and I think you only been like every 175 years out of your house .
Thank you for sharing your views, please read my FAQs and you win the "Funniest Comment Award" with your 175 years in the house comment, seriously where di you pluck that number from? Comedy Gold, I love it.
always exciting to fly the a380 on especially on upper deck :D. I find the a380 is where I have the most enjoyable experiences, but then again I tend to book the emergency rows paying the extra for comfort.
Thanks for your comment, Qatar are one of the few (only) carriers to have economy on the upper deck I think. Let me know if I've got that wrong.
Flew Qatar from Edinburgh-Doha-Brisbane economy in march . Had heard a lot about them but have to say was very disappointed by the standard of cleanliness and was shocked to be told they had run out of meals so had to have a crew meal which was terrible.when I contacted Qatar to tell them I received nada not an email or call to say they had received my complaint. Qatar never again.
Yeah, sorry you had such a poor flight mate, I had a good flight with them but running out of meals is unforgivable. If there's an issue and there's no meals for anyone then, well not great but these things happen but to not stock enough for all passengers is very poor.
And one thing I would agree with everyone on, Qatar do not have a complaints department, that much seems clear.
Anybody else thought you were putting a bra on your face ar 4:10 and had to do a double take 😂? Great review that felt really fluid and easy to listen to.
Thank you for your comment, I love that, the "bra on face" needs to be in an upcoming travel tip video 😂😂😂
Good day guys.
Aviation, like any other type of experience in life, is extremely personal. I may be extremely satisfied with the service and the person sitting next to me may be thinking everything is bad. I have been following the world of aviation since the 70s. What I notice is that only a few Asian airlines have maintained a consistent level of service and continuous concern for customers. Perhaps due to the Eastern perception of serving well. Singapore Airlines, Asiana, Japan Airlines, Eva Air, All Nippon Airways, Korean Air.
Thank you for sharing your views, I agree with you that it is about the perception of the reviewer. I'm relatively new to this type of travelling, and I would love to chat to you, it must be amazing to have watched the world of aviation change over the last 50 years. I do often wonder what people will think in 50 years time when they watch a Nonstop Dan video from today.
@@mygreygapyear Correct. Not that I've flown excessively, but I follow aviation because I'm very attached to planes. I've seen both of Josh's videos about Qatar Airways and completely understand the points he made. Some UA-camrs aren't really welcomed on board. Many people (flight attendants) do not find it comfortable to have their work performance filmed in almost every detail. I think this boom in UA-camrs filming everything on board has caused this small problem, where almost everything is published, the good side and the bad side. Something that not long ago “happened in Vegas and stayed in Vegas”. Nowadays the whole world knows what happens in Vegas. I come from a completely analog world: aviation magazines, timetables, large/heavy directories, etc. I think we live in a time of a lot of information and little time to process it all. Sometimes we get to the point of having two UA-camrs at the same time filming everything on board. I realize that the number of people in this business is growing a lot and perhaps we will reach a saturation point.
You can hear Josh Cahill being welcomed on board, no? For me, the flight attendants have a right to privacy, so I don't film them directly and if I catch them by accident then I blur their faces by default.
Thanks for sharing,
Phil
Yes, many youtubers, when requested by FAs, blur their faces after editing the video. I watched JC's videos regarding Qatar Airways. I believe that the drama occurred due to JC's bad review on their product. I never heard such a thing before: an airline bans a traveller for criticizing their product.
Thank you for sharing your views, that this is a light hearted and fun travel channel and this video is talking about the rights of the workers that Josh Cahill films, I've updated this video's FAQs to reflect that this isn't a political channel and this isn't a political video.
Thank you for understanding
Phil
#unbanjoshcahill
Sorry I don't agree with your opinion. It may possible that you got a nice service as of today, but may be it is also because of Josh's review. To be honest: Josh was never unfair, he made only some negative comments about a couple of things (dirty carpet, runout of choice of food, outdated seats and last but not least a messy toilet). If you find he was unfair, what is then really unfair (not to speak about crime, war etc.) This is his good right to mention that for the public. He was not filming the crew after he was told not to do that (and he blurred also every face) if you can not film when a flight attendant fills the glasses without showing FA face, on which way we are in this world? And to say he is banned according to Art. 8 and 12 is a joke. Not in any word it is there mentioned that a negative comment is a reason for the ban. And he was always polite and not unbehaviour. To solve a problem on this way is just ridicolous. A proper handling from QR with that, like everybody normally does it with an apology or excuse would be the normal standard of a company and everything is fine. But not on this way to bribe him and sending him some threats. Social Media stands not only for happy days (meaning mentioning only positive things), it stands also for negative issues with commenting in a nice and unpolemic way. Where you want to go if something is not like you would have it? Not releasing because you know that you will get in troubles? Then every social media channel would be a farce. That is the freedom that we still should have. There are so many other videos on youtube in which youtubers made negative comments about the service, but no airline has never react like this. What would it be when only positive comments should be allowed to release. I can tell you: Then people think that everything is propaganda and everything is a lie by those people who releases such videos.
That is my opinion and as I have seen in the last few weeks and days I stand not alone with that meaning.
Thank you for sharing your views, I can see your point of view on some points, but not with "Josh was never unfair". He described the crew as "cold". Man. That is not ok. These are human beings with families and feelings, they're real people who go home at night and eat dinner with their families, they're not characters in a movie!
Also, lets talk about the airtime given to the "underwhelming" choice of two meals in economy class. Please go through all of Josh Cahill's economy videos and tell me in which videos does Josh tell you how many meal choices he had. When Emirates "saved" him, did he tell us how many meal choices he had? I must have missed the three of four options Josh told us about in that video. So list them here in the comments please, because I haven't found one yet.
Never unfair? That is two areas I believe he was very unfair and I could go on (and I did in my video, did you watch it?). And Qatar Airways didn't want to apologise to him? I'm not surprised.
According to Josh Cahill in his second video it doesn't sound to me like he did blur all the faces, the faces only got blurred when Qatar Airways complained to UA-cam and the faces were then blurred. Perhaps Josh could come on and make that clear.
If you think that is ok then tell me where you work and I'll come and film you doing your job and then I'll post a highly critical video on UA-cam that will be seen by about one million people. Your boss will see it. Your mum will see it, Your spouse and kids will see it. Your neighbours will see it. Your kids friends at school will see it.
Tell me that's ok and I'll come to you and make the video.
I'm not aware of any bribes or threats. Josh was offered a PR flight, in my opinion that is not a bribe (you may disagree, but that's ok, we're allowed to disagree). If you could tell me of the threats that have been made against Josh I'd appreciate it, because threats are not ok.
I also disagree with you when you say, "And he was always polite". Clearly in the video is Josh's email to Qatar Airways which, as I've explained before, contains "logical fallacy" or loaded questions and this is just not something serious people use in business correspondence. It's the language of the hack.
Did you pause the video and read the two emails, they're towards the end of the "banned" video.
Also Josh hasn't addressed the alleged breach of Qatari Law, it's all well and good throwing insults around but you have to answer the questions put to you too.
I understand and respect your views and I also understand that many people feel the same way that you do and that I am probably in the minority, but this is why I wanted to release this video, because I wanted to challenge the world view that Josh Cahill has presented and I want everyone to just stop and think about what they're watching and think about the human cost to this.
And it seems that I succeeded in my goal with you, because you have stopped and thought about Josh's video and thought about my comments in my video and then taken the time to tell us your views, and although we don't agree, I am grateful to you for sharing those views with me.
I hope that my reply will give you further pause for thought, because I would never deliberately film you and your co-workers and post you on UA-cam, but I bet it made you stop and think for a moment.
I am genuinely grateful to you for sharing, you are clearly very passionate and it comes through in your writing, all the very best,
Phil
@@mygreygapyear
Thanks for your answer. I clearly see that some of my points you have not understand.
Let's start with unfair. What is unfair, unfair is for example if somebody loses his job because of false interpretations of others. Unfair is also when somebody telling to someothers some secrets about you. Unfair is also a bad behaviour against others. If you don't agree with the politic in your country, is it unfair when you making your point of view with qualified arguments in a proper manner, but not everybody likes it? Unfair is may be also, when some people blockes roads by glooming themselves. They don't think about consequences by others when they can not reach their work. I don't think it's unfair when Josh makes critics about dirty toilets, dirty carpet, missing choice of meals and outdated seat (here I come later to you). You said it's unfair when Josh makes a comment like the crew is unmotivated? Josh flew many times before with them and had never these impressions. Now he was underwhelmed compare to the other flights and he says it because he is a youtuber and is not going home and think: Okay forget that. It is really fair that he is not doing this and not censoring his impressions for other viewers. That is freedom of speach. Talk about filming me on the job and your meaning that everybody can see it. First I guess if you know that someone is filming you and then could probably release on Social Media, would you not give your best to convince. Now an example: I am seating at my desk and you film the office and me, doing my work solide. You go to toilet, it is dirty, you see the carpet, it is dirty, old computer is not running and you release this. Is it your fault? Certainly not, but your reaction is important to this: I am doing still my job well in a manner which everybody expects from you. Everybody on this plane knew (as he was probably not recognized before), that there is a guy from youtube. Would you not take your fingers out of the arse to give the best possible impression about everything on this flight. Here is another example which I experienced just recently with Air Mauritius in Economy Class: I wanted to go to the toilet, but I was not allowed because one of the Mauritius female FA just want to check the cleanliness of the toilet. Josh's flight was an Airbus A330-300 with toilets in the back as he went with his camera down there. As I have made at least 100 flights with this aircraft, I am pretty sure that he went down to the 4 toilets and sawing let's say 2 FA's seating on the Crews seats (and nothing doing, just chatting) and 3 others working in the galley or eating. He was just telling the word unmotivated, I am sure he could say many more about the bad service quality of this crew, but that is what I mean polite!
Yes I still stand that Josh was polite, polite is when somebody can critizes something and not using words like.... I stop here because I am pretty sure you know now which words I mean. And also he was not aggresive in his video, may be when you search something he made the whole thing a bit ridicolous. I am pretty sure that when someone attacks you personally by bad words, you are not going to say to this person: Yes my dear, yes my love, yes my brother, how can I forgive you, unless you would be priest or reverend...
About filming: There are two sides of that. Would Josh have filmed everything including FA's and he would leave a good comment, nobody by QR would say: Hey you have filmed our crew. But now he has filmed - as he has done all the times in the past - the walking into the plane and his seat (as I do it regularly also) with holding the camera not the normal offensive way, of course he catched 2 FA standing in the aisle. If something have been wrong to them, why did they not telling: Good morning Sir, may we kindly ask you not to film on board or not to film us? In the past it was the standard for him and no company (even not Air Koryo from North Korea) has made such a drama about such a thing. When now, as we all heard, QR fired some of the FA's (is it correct or just propaganda for the others what could happen) because of this small critic, is that in Josh's responsibility? I guess reall not. It is in the responsibility of QR, if everything would be like they have been in the past, this never happen. And there is always somebody in the time of today which uncover something. Social Media is sometimes a huge problem, but in this occasion I am very happy to have it. Otherwise it would be a time like in the past (Nazi, Eastern Curtain like USSR or GDR, now Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea). Would you live with that? I quess not!
to be continued:
@@mygreygapyear please read first answer below
If it is your meaning that you have succeeded in your goal: Yes, but still completely on Josh's side and my meaning that QR was totally overrecting with that.
Your reply give me further pause to think about, yes. But the longer I think and look your video again with your opinion, I come the the inclusion that your thumbnail is polemic and most of your not regularly viewers have clicked on because of: "Sorry Josh" Why that? That is polemic, nothing else.
As a lot of my life working in quality management for diverse companies (also for 1 airline), I would not have been interacting in the companies name like this. I just want to explain some two more topics in this discussion:
About the carriage conditions and the Qatar law. QR says he breaks Art. 8 and 12, have you read those two articles? You can ask every lawyer, nothing but nothing stands in their carriage conditions about this particular case, they wanted to make impressions with their E-Mail. And carriage conditions and local law is not the same, could be in some points, but not here. The filming like this in not explicitely forbidden, just in case of the safety it could be forbidden, nothing else. Josh was also not unruly, he agreed not filming the crew, he blurred some faces later on, he was allowed to film by one crew member. That also shows how the crew act on the plane, the one says that, others said this. There is no line in this company, no more. Do you know how much this own made drama QR will cost? Yes, I guess in all of the companies I worked for, either the CEO or the CFO would have come to me and talking about the consequences... If they want to avoid such problems in the future, they have to announce this at the gate, on or in the plane, cabin announcement or safety demonstration videos etc. with the sentence: Dear Guest, we kindly inform you that QR airways has a non tolerance filming and photographing policiy, it is forbidden to take any videos and photos from the inside of the plane and the passengers and crews. Then everybody can decide if they want to fly with them or not.
Now I come to the final point: The Airbus A330-300 which is mentioned by Josh as a dinosaur. That is his meaning not mine, I am pretty glad when I can fly in Economy Class because the seating is normally 2-4-2. Even world class airlines uses this aircraft and my wife and I like it, because there is no 3 seat seating on the side. So she can not being touched in the middleseat by another like it happens on a A350 some years ago. The most disturbing about the seat arrangement is that they still have the box under the seat on the windows seat. Some airlines have changed that.
Somewhere you have asked about where can I fly this aircraft with QR? This question alerts me. Because it shows me that you are not really an Airline/Aviation enthusiast or expert. Sorry, this is very simple: Go to Airfleets or a page like this, note down the aircraft registration and type it in to source like FR24, thats everything and you could see the plane's route at least for 7 days if you are not Gold or Silver member.
Back to the A330: QR Airways must still use this plane because Airbus cancelled their A350 and A321 order because of AB went to high court in London. It was a simple painting problems which was first reported by Finnair (2016), by Lufthansa, Air France, Cathay Pacific. With all these airlines Airbus has found a solution and talked about that,, seating together and solved the problem without a big dispute. CAA has grounded these planes, the only one in the world. I really think that AB just wanted to get some more discount of these planes, nothing else. And of course it was a false decission to this, because AB knew exactly about the problems with Boeing's Dreamliners and new TripleSeven's. That is how AB stands for. He is always right and the others wrong. I said in 2021 that I don't fly an Airline anymore which has such a huge dispute against an Airline producer.
QR making also problems with landing rights: In the USA, Germany, Australia. I tell you why, they want to fly as much as possible to some destinations in all of the countries they want to fly. So Qatar and involved governements make some contracts how many flights and which destinations are allowed. They offer that all Airlines could fly as often as they want into Doha. But to be honest? How many airlines are doing this? AA (the one world code share to PHL), AY, BA and IB are the only ones. And even this not on a daily basis... Now they want to fly some more flights also to Germany, they agree now additional flights to HAM. But now, there is a particular word like unfair. Is that fair that you can fly now with them from HAM-DOH-MEL with one time changing the plane. If you want to fly LH, LX and OS, you have to change a minimum 2 times. That is the also the reason why Australia does not want to accept some more flights to ADL and CBR. Now they have started with some Ghost Flights, because the limitation is only valid by the big 4 airports, if they fly from DOH to SYD or MEL and then to ADL or CBR it is actually allowed. But most of the flights only the crew is on board an no passengers, the only thing on is cargo. These flights are not very attractive because of the night flight ban and the planes have to be on ground at least 6 hours. Australia governement is watching on that topic. QR just want to trick. They always want to trick, see World Cup 2022.
Oh, finally I did not mentioned about the general human rights in Qatar and with QR. There are no human rights there, see the construction workers for the FIFA World Cup 2022. And QR - or was it the decission of AB - is spying out their staff. They were not allowed to leave the hotel at their destinations and at Doha they can spy them out if they are in the room or not (with the chip card for the room). Do you find this is okay? So, a lot of things I mentioned, take it into the consideration that there are many bad things abut this airline and that is good that we get some informations about. Otherwise nothing will change in that country or in this airlines, even if they have now a new CEO... Let's wait how it goes on.
Many points which I mention now, have nothing directly to do with Josh, but knowing such points puts everything in a different different light.
Thanks for your attention to this. Be proud that I take so much time for you and the matter. I have nothing against you, generally I find you symphatic in your videos.
Kind Regards, Urs
Urs, I totally love your passion and commitment, thank you for sharing your views, this is an open forum and this is exactly what I wanted to provoke with my video, an open sharing of views that everyone can learn from.
You have made some excellent points and as such I am going to tip my hat to you and leave you with the last word.
My only comment is how sorry I am that your wife was touched on a flight, I know other women that is has happened to when they have been flying alone and it really is a very upsetting thing to happen. There should be greater awareness of this by passengers and better training for cabin crew.
Thank you for your contribution to the conversation, all the very best to you,
Phil
@@mygreygapyearI love your reviews and have seen many of your videos. Just don’t get upset about another reviewer and his views. It’s one’s own opinion and view. Content creators should still maintain courtesy to other creators too. If you have something against his video, go have a private conversation. This almost gives me a vibe that you are representing the views of a corporation rather than a consumer. Have you ever seen the bread they give you versus the soft croissants they used to give you? How about the food choices? Clearly I have seen cost cutting. The crew has been still smiling behind all this, so respect.
Josh Cahill was correct in his assessment. I am not flying Qatar until there is improvement.
Thanks for sharing your views, much appreciated. Sounds like you've had a bad experience on Qatar Airways
Your review doesn't reflect my recent experience on Qatar. I found urine-coated lavatories, awful food, cold, uncaring service, and malfunctioning seats and IFE. Qatar has fallen so far that I'm not sure I'd ever go back. And that was in business class.
Thank you for sharing your views, I feel that your comment lacks credibility by claiming this was in business class. Although Josh Cahill and I both had different experiences in Qatar Airways Economy Class, I have found most (if not all) reviewers have a good to excellent experience in Qatar Business Class.
Perhaps sharing your route, date of flight, Qatar business seat type and some other details would lend some credibility to your claims.
Thanks
Phil
What are the seat like because im a big guy 6ft 5in and broad shouldered
Thanks for your question, the pitch of the seat I sat in was probably an inch better than usual, but I felt the seat was narrow. I think at 6-5 you should pay for the extra legroom and select an aisle seat. Do not pick a window seat.
Hope you're trip goes ok, let me know how it goes,
Phil
Thanks for sharing. I will be flying Qatar Airways to Hong Kong soon and I booked economy class. Hopefully, it will be a good experience as my husband is wide shouldered. Your review has given me some hope 😊
Thank you for your comment, I would definitely book him an aisle seat and if you prefer the aisle too then book two aisle seats across from each other.
I hope you have a brilliant trip, Phil.
Thanks for the advice! Best wishes 😊 Ange
Dear MGGY, I strongly disagree with your review. It appears you haven't thoroughly watched Josh's original review, which highlighted legitimate concerns about the airline's decline in service and food quality. Josh's observations were corroborated by numerous customers and even some crew members, leading to tangible consequences. Your biased defense of the airline undermines your credibility. Unfortunately, I will no longer consider your reviews reliable and won't be viewing your content in the future. Josh's assessment was accurate and deserved attention.
Nonetheless, I'm still flying Qatar, I don't care!
Thank you for sharing your views about my review of Qatar Airways Economy Class and my experience in Qatar Economy verses that of Josh Cahill. As I discuss in the pinned FAQ comment I felt that Josh's review was unfair, especially how he treated the Qatar Airways cabin crew.
However, what I really wanted to do with this video was spark a conversation and see how other people felt, so thank you again for sharing your views.
I'm still flying Qatar Airways too, I just take wipes with me to clean the tray tables 😊
Thank you
Phil
Your review was informative and entertaining. Thank you! However, as i have seen your responses to a couple other comments, that qatar is expensive, its not worth paying for. Qatar is expensive becauee of the 5 star and consistently excellent service they promote. However if there are inconsistencies and by which many incident have been reported (some bad and some horrid experiences) then recommending qatar airways with their high price is not right. Take Emirates for example. They are not cheap, but there have been such minimal complaints about them. Everytime I, and others have flown them, every aspect of the journey was enjoyable and consistent, compared to Qatar. My recent rip with qatar in economy happened to be the same flight route and aircrafts that Josh cahill took (LHR-DOH-CMB, CMB-DOH-LHR) (B777, A320, A330, B777). The toliets were a carbon copy of the state the josh cahill reported it to be. The seat, old and unclean, tight and uncomfortable. The crew was awful and not as how they been promoted to be (apart from 3 cabin crew members on the DOH-CMB flight. I could only commend the food and IFE which was great but paying an extra £1650 for my family of 7 just to fly qatar was not worth it. Choosing emirates would have been so much better.
Qatar therfore cant and shouldnt be a 5 star airline, if inconsistencies is a problem, for which, clearly it is and thus shouldnt be recommended at all.
Essentially, josh is saying that Qatar is not what it had been promoted to be. It is not 5 star nor is it premium consistant service. If you compare the behaviour of the crew on his flight to other reviews of many other flight reviewers, it is very evident that there has been a significant decline in the service that qatar airways once claimed to provide. He makes a big deal out of this beacuse there are many other airlines that deserve the no. 1 title for many awards and recognition. Its like a stereotype that qatar is world best at everything, when in reality, it is not. And banning and bribing josh cahill really has brought qatar airways reputation down.
Therfore, with all this controversy, it would be right to say that qatar airways has an inconsistent service and recommending ither middle eastern carriers such as Emirates or Etihad would be a much better solution/would be worth paying more for that paying extra to fly qatar, where you may/may not recieve the service that has been promised?
Thanks for sharing your views, some interesting points on there.
I wonder how many reviewers Qatar approached before this guy agreed to sell himself out to them? None of the more known reviewers would have agreed
Because they're known they're better and not getting kickbacks? 😂
@@Kelli999 @ep7434 Thanks for sharing your views, I believe "selling" myself would involve receiving money and this is covered in the FAQs.
As per the other comments, I would of respected your view if you didnt mention Josh and just reviewed the airline. Reading some of your replies , you seem bitter. Disappointed.
Thanks for your comments, although I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.
@@mygreygapyear It's fine, everyone else understands.
Yeah, you can't fix a lack of self awareness.
See, now I'm really confused because I'm not aware of any disappointment or bitterness in my life, I'm just making videos and having a blast. And as far as a Josh Cahill fan getting grumpy about a UA-camr using a bit of creativity to increase views (which clearly worked by the way, thanks), well that is the greatest irony there is.
Josh Cahill is often described (in these comments) as a total shock jock taking mundane situations (like a perfectly clean toilet and perfectly acceptable legroom for economy) and turning them into SHOCKING situations.
So for you to get all upset and in a lather is just hilarious, and well, that is just pot and kettle my friends 😀
Thank you for your views and continued engagement
Phil
@@mygreygapyear You're still missing the point. 🤦🏻♂️
I got a qr909 -> qr161 -> finnair leg -> qr908
Thanks for the review, gave me a lot to know what to expect!
Hopefully their a380s are a little bigger and more spacious
+ lucky me i'm flying in july. Hopefully it wont be busy then since the excess of 45ºC heats will put people off
Thanks for your comment, if you can get a seat upstairs on the A380, those economy seats are apparently more spacious and window seats have storage bins.
@@mygreygapyear Yeah I'm looking at that but i'd rather dodge the $252 p/p fees, so I am booking my travelling companion on an aisle and me at the window, to put off people using the middle seat, so hopefully we can get more space. Otherwise if they have a double on the upper deck i'll take it at check in
$252 each, ouch. If you have status then the empty middle seat has a better chance of working in your favour, if you don't make sure you each join their flying club and add your membership numbers to the booking, this has helped a friend in the past.
When I'm travelling with a companion we often book two aisle seats opposite each other. We can still chat but do have the additional space being on the end.
Hope you have a great trip,
Phil
@@mygreygapyear Thanks, I'm with VOZ Gold so i'm adding that for lounge access however it was easier to book through qatar for a multi stop international, i'll just make sure to act the SECOND seats are free ;)
Qatar have a few inherited aircraft with premium economy seats sold as economy. Your gold status may have triggered the seat block. Interesting vlog sir
Now that is interesting, Richard, I wasn't aware of that. I was concerned when I looked on Expert Flyer that the row had been completely sold and thought about a seat switch, but stuck with my original selection.
Thanks for your comment and support, appreciated as always,
Phil
As a regular QR FF (Privilege Club Platinum/OWE) flying between either MEL or BNE and Europe (vv), your experience on QR 989 is relatively similar to mine. Where QR is weak compared with EK or SQ is primarily in onboard service delivery in both Economy and Business.
I have had my fair share of complaints with the cabin crew as the service delivery isn't always consistent from flight to flight. For example, Silver, Gold and Platinum Privilege Club members can choose their meal preferences before or after take-off and have their meals delivered first. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen consistently.
IMO, the lack of consistency is down to a high turnover of cabin crew and a lack of morale driven by a dictatorial former CEO.
QR is going through some growing pains, and Josh's review amplifies that. I'm hopeful the new CEO will take a fresh look at improving service delivery in all classes, not just in Economy.
What a fantastic comment, thank you for sharing your QR experiences. I'm going to aim to do some Singapore and Emirates flights so I can compare those experiences. I love that perk of pre-selecting your meal, they really should focus on making that work.
I've heard a lot of criticism of the outgoing CEO, fingers crossed for the new guy.
Thanks again, much appreciated,
Phil
Well, privileged club members can choose their meal preferences but they are served with the rest of the passengers. That’s how the service is done in QR.
A bit of a disappointing take and your view has definitely been skewed by the amount of time you spend in premium cabins. Qatar is supposed to be one of, if not the best airline in the world. The "will this give me food poisoning" benchmark is laughable. Flying Qatar in economy could be the holiday of a lifetime, celebrating a soecial birthday or honeymoon and they need yo do better.
Thank you for sharing your views, much appreciated. My "safe, clean and edible" for economy food is my hope and expectation for every airline in economy and is set by my many years of flying economy only (and they don't always hit it). My first ever video shows my first ever business class experience just a couple of years ago.
Lame attempt to ride on Josh Cahill's coat tails for a few extra views. Hard to believe that you would defend an airline banning a customer due to a critical review.
Thanks for sharing your views about Josh Cahill. I neither support or oppose Qatar Airways, I simply gave my honest opinion of of my Qatar Airways economy flight and pointed out where I thought Josh was unfair in his economy review (based on Josh Cahill's own footage).
Regarding his ban, please read my FAQs and watch Josh's "banned and bribed" video at the appropriate timestamp to see why I think Qatar airways had little choice but to ban him to prevent him from taking his booked flight with them.
Thank you and all the best,
Phil
@@mygreygapyear I guess we have to agree to disagree, but by putting his name in your title you are clearly trying to draw in people interested in Josh.
Worst Airline I have ever traveled with. Never again. Staff are not trained well when things go wrong. Uncomfortable seats and poor communication.
Thanks for sharing your views, much appreciated. I found the economy seat to be "firm" shall we say.
Anyone that has negative comments about Josh Cahill gets a 'thumbs up' from me! Your attitude is good, unlike Josh Cahill who is a complaining, entitled drama queen.
Thanks for your comments, it is good to hear that others feel the same way as I do, nice to know I'm not a lone voice,
The blunt naked truth is tht we can't simply make everyone happy at once"" thanks for a matured and polite well balanced review🎉. Lobbing and greedy minds creates ugly things for content.,....
Thank your for your comment, I agree with you, you can't please all of the people all of the time.
@@mygreygapyear thanks for understanding first of all. As you said rightly in a flight so many people with different behavior pattern travel in an aircraft and especially the toilets. (What if a untidy person used it just before) can happen. Above all a matured comment is good and still found more serious problems, there is a pattern to escalate. Simply saying something in a rough manner causes problem in a industry which feeds a lot of staff and people. Nice you have a balanced character. May god bless you and family.
Hey good review, I do trips a bit like yourself, recently switched from using Singapore and Star Alliance to Qatar & One World.... I have a few flights where I've arranged an overnight stop in Doha, how's the taxi process .... How much is it likely to cost and how long does it take .... Great review 👍
Thank you for your kind comments. Taxi's are well signposted and inexpensive, 64QAR or 15GBP from the airport to the InterContinental in the city which is about 20 minutes from the airport. Where I had issues was the immigration delay, over an hour to clear immigration.
I hope you have an amazing trip,
Phil
Cahill is a clickbait trash talker. Just like that nonstop Dan and so many others. Most of their content is complaints because they expect a first class experience reminiscent of the Golden Era while flying on a discount economy ticket. Can’t stand these holier-than-though UA-camrs and it was time an airline took one of them down a notch.
Thx for the review. I’m flying on QR soon and my status got me free seat selection. One of the planes I’m taking is an old CX plane and the cabin i chose is still set up in a premium economy layout, even though QR doesn’t sell PY. Can you believe the free “upgrade, non-upgrade”?
You were lucky too with the whole row though i was surprised you slept with your head in the aisle. Did you get knocked at all while asleep?
Dan is not just a trash talker lol if anything he overly romanticizes airlines he enjoys and overlooks downfalls.
says the one with one flight his whole life 🤓🤓
@dscott8799 Thank you for your comments, there seems to be a big Josh Cahill fan club on this silly ban issues and wondered if I put my head above the parapet would there be others that had similar feelings to me.
If you could share you're flying on I'd appreciate it, I'd like to experience that.
Re: sleeping the wrong way round, I wondered why I'd done that when I looked at the footage 😂. Fortunately I'm very short and I was at the very front of economy so very low foot traffic.
Thanks
Phil
Thank you for joining in the conversation, I'm also a fan of Non Stop Dan but I did take issue with his video about British Airways, ua-cam.com/video/LeChx0qsRTo/v-deo.html
It's a similar attack video to Josh's on Qatar. Everything seems fine with his flight until there is an issue with a gate at Heathrow and he is stuck aboard. The he just goes overboard.
Thanks for sharing your views,
Phil
Thanks for your review. I think we'll agree Josh's imagery showed some serious deficiencies. Furthermore Qatar's reaction by banning him goes against the fundamental principle of freedom and as such I will endorse #unbanjoshcahill
Thanks for sharing your views, much appreciated, and a view that is thought provoking. Is banning a passenger from flying on your airline against the fundamental principle of freedom?
And as I write this I'm not sure. If you're from the UK you'll know we've had controversial politicians having their bank accounts closed because the executives at the banks didn't like their politics (for more on this google nigel farage debanking).
It is widely accepted now that having a bank account is a fundamental right in the UK and de-banking is now considered against the fundamental principle of freedom, but does being banned from an airline count?
And two paragraphs on I'm still not sure.
If I own a bar or restaurant then I believe I am well within my rights to refuse service unless I am discriminating against a protected characteristic (age, disability, gender, religion, etc) but Josh Cahill wouldn't be covered by this. They're not refusing to carry him because he's in a wheelchair.
I think because there are other airlines that can carry him to the destinations that Qatar Airlines cover, because he is breaking the rules by using a camera and filming the crew and because he is travelling in order to review the airline rather than a need to get somewhere then I don't think the ban goes against a fundamental principle of freedom.
If Josh Cahill agreed to never use a camera on a flight again and needed to get to somewhere that only Qatar Airways covered then I would agree with you, but in this instance that is not the case.
But that's not my last word on this, I could be convinced otherwise by a well reasoned argument.
Thank you so much for that excellent thought provoking comment, your views are very much appreciated,
Phil
If you are doing nothing as a passenger which endanger safety of a flight, you are unpolite to staff, you have a different view in religious thinking, you are on a Interpol list, yes then it is fundamental priniciple of freedom. Josh has never been unpolite. If you are banned because of such simple things, then nobody knows who is the next! And if you start a discussion about bankers etc. Would you really compare bankers and Josh? Then there we would have to start generally with all those people: Dicators, War makers, Racism, Politicians etc. Josh is a youtuber like you, would you agree when an airline starts the discussion that they only transport you if you are not filming. There is not any word in their policies about filming. Then they should declare it clearly in their policies and not argue like this. They can put on the screen at the gate, at or in the plane, including in the safety video etc.
I just asking you a simple question: if somebody is not agreeing with your ideas, do you still respect him or not. In that case I am thinking you are not accepting Josh's review because you think he was unpolite or was doing something inpropriate. But that is not the case. He was always on a gentle level. I would be more than happy if everybody in this world would place his unpleasant experience in a way like that. Look in the TV and you see thousand of lieing people with an unproper behaviour (even the USA and UK had such people as presidents or prime ministers). If you go to a shopping place, let's say Tesco or something like this and the shop is dirty, has unmotivated staff, selling bad and not eatable products and you make a review, would you agree if they ban you? And if every company would react like this with banning everybody then we can close TV, Radio, Social Media etc. and going back to times we certainly not want.
Once again: I am completely with you when somebody releases articles or videos in a inproper way (unpolite words, liying, making propaganda, racism, bribing etc.) But Josh has never done that! We need such people like Josh, otherwise we are going to a way like Russia, Cuba, North Korea, China etc.). I am pretty sure you won't that.
Hi there and thank you again for your comments and sharing your views. I've just replied to your other comment, so I think some of the ground here is covered there.
Easy ones first: I don't know anyone who holds politicians up as role models for proper behaviour, so let's not go there.
Second: Filming in Tesco or any other of my local supermarkets. I 100% promise you if you or me or anyone else walks into Tesco with a GoPro and starts filming then you would be banned. If you are filming the staff then you would be escorted out. No ifs, no buts no coconuts. YOU. WOULD. BE. BANNED! And quite right too. The staff there have a right to privacy, they didn't ask to be on UA-cam (I did so I'm fair game).
If there is unsafe produce or an issue with a staff member then there is a process you can follow, the first step would be to walk up to the desk with the big sign that says "customer service" over it.
Third One: "There is not any word in their policies about filming." I think you're wrong there, Josh has said that he did break that rule, but others (including me) have filmed so I guess we give good reviews and that's the difference, right? Wrong!
The first rule of "flight" club is you don't talk about "flight" club. The second rule is you obey the instructions of the cabin crew, No back chat, no arguments. If you are told not to film you stop filming.
This has happened to me on a Qatar Airways flight. I stopped filming and then I politely asked the flight attendant if the issue was me filming them or filming anything. She told me that it was filming the cabin crew that was the issue. I clearly explained that I was making a vlog for UA-cam and I would not be filming the crew and if their faces were accidentally in shot I would blur it out or cut that piece of footage.
Later on I was clearly told again that filming the cabin crew was not permitted. I was told in a clear, firm but polite manner. I said I agreed 100% that cabin crew are allowed their privacy and re-iterated that I would wither cut or blur all staff and would not identify them by name (from their name tags).
I ensured that I didn't disturb the other passengers, the crew were happy and I had no further problems filming.
I have asked you if you would like to be filmed at work, I don't know what you do, but would you? How about your mum, or your sister? Because "unmotivated" is subjective. What I see as efficiently doing a task, you might say is "turning their backs and being so cold". I can spin that either way, without meeting any of your family I know that I could make them look bad if I wanted to. Because on UA-cam there is no regulating authority except UA-cam. On TV in the UK you would be held to a specific standard.
To be clear, I'm not going to start filming people and upsetting them, I'm simply posing a moral question for you to consider, I'm just asking you to consider how you would feel if your mother was in tears because someone had put a video of her at work on UA-cam.
I've covered some of my concerns about Josh's behaviour in your other comment and other posts, so I won't cover them here, but you mentioned bankers, if you're referring to my reference on the de-banking scandal in the UK then I think you've misunderstood.
The de-banking scandal in the UK is an example of a fundamental right (a bank account in this case) being taken away and I was simply wondering if there were comparisons to be drawn between Josh's situation and that of Nigel Farage and others who were "de-banked". I wasn't comparing Josh to "bankers" or the politicians who were de-banked.
I thought long and hard about whether there Josh has a "right" to fly on Qatar and I ultimately felt that for Josh to be carried by Qatar again he would have to agree to abide by the rules of carriage, namely not to use a camera in the cabin. Has he agreed to this?
If he hasn't then I can only stand by my previous position, that he was reasonably banned.
Again, I am grateful to you for sharing your views, I want to know what other people think but more than that I want to know why they think that way. You have clearly stated that you see Qatar Airways being permitted to ban Josh Cahill as a slippery slope towards totalitarian regimes like Russia and North Korea.
I'm not sure that I agree with you but it does give me something new to think about, and I thank you for that.
All the very best,
Phil
A quick question: Will your Grey gap Year be extended to several years? It'd be a shame for you to stop!
Thanks for your kind comment and your support, I hope to keep going for as long as I can 😊
Thanks mate . New sub here . I like your videos because it's about the airline and not about you . Like you say I didn't agree with Josh . I watched him for a short time but found he to be more about him trying to be a star 🌟. And definitely he was terrible about this airline. Thanks mate keep it normal 👍
Thanks for your kind comments, much appreciated. I'll do my best to keep myself grounded.. err... while flying... 😀
Because of Josh tantrums those cabin crew are jobless.
Thank you for your comment, Josh did say in the second video that he didn't actually know if the crew lost their jobs or not so you have to take it on face value whether they really did lose their jobs or not. Qatar Airways have not commented, but I hope that they well and safe.
Very interesting video. Thanks!
Thank you for your comment, I'm glad you enjoyed the video
Emirates airlines are better then qatar airlines just overrated. TheEmirates planes are better,food, services, and so much more and to top it off the prices are cheaper than qatar airways
Thanks for your comment and for sharing your views, much appreciated.
I have a same Qatar airways amenity kit as my Parents travelled from India to Canada on Qatar airways
Thanks for your comment, much appreciated.
Interesting. I've never flown Qatar, but would in a heartbeat. (They fly from BHX my UK home airport -- but it's always $$$ more than LHR). I am a bit burned out on the YT aviation gurus, even dear old Noel, you and Matt are holding the fort as I type this. I have always thought Josh's response was a bit hysterical; I suspect he has observed negatives and controversies get more content views than positives. A sad truth of YT. Be that as it may: you are six inches shorter and a good bit narrower than me :-) This bear doesn't fit well in an economy seat. My wife however, won't pay for higher so I suspect she would find your review interesting.
Thanks for your kind comments, I would ask her to watch it and imagine she has the middle seat. Then show her some reviews of premium economy and let het imagine just the two of you on the side of the plane. Then again, what do I know.
Don't you guys know any other airlines? Always the same ones! What a waste of time.
Thanks for sharing your views, please take a look at my videos for some from BA and Qantas in different classes, and if you sub you'll get notifications on upcoming videos on Vueling, Finnair, Emirates and Iberia.
Appreciate your comment,
Phil
Phil.
As for amenity kits, Are they really need ed in any cabin class????? Most people travel with their own small bag of toiletries nowadays, so would it be a big miss to do away with them altogether. Save the planet and all that jazz.
Steve. C.
I'm with you on this Steve, I think the amenity kits are probably a pointless waste, could be given out on request?
Better voice than Josh Cahill. And belly is way more poke-able!
- Red
Thank you Red, you old flatterer you.
Another great video. I wish you made more, as they are truly entertaining. I think if Josh Cahill, was to appear honest, then he could have kept his original German name, or at least his surname of Wendholt. It's a very old fashioned way of thinking, and if you can't be true to yourself, how are you supposed to be true to viewers.
Thanks for your comment, I love making videos but I do find it takes more time than I originally thought it would. I thought Josh Cahill's Qatar video was a total hatchet job.
Staff should be regularly checking toilets!
Thanks for sharing your view, I agree with you on that, I am curious as to what cleaning equipment the cabin crew have on board.
Josh cahill will do anything to get views
Thank you for sharing your views, I've been watching less and less of Josh Cahill's videos over the last year because I've felt they offer less and less actual information. A click bait thumbnail and title is fine, but sometimes I feel that the entire video is unhelpful.
You just showed your true self here , i believed you were paid by Qatar to counter Josh Cahill's video and love him for standing up to what is right.
😂😂😂 I effing wish! Did you even watch the video?
@rebornitsybitsy7515 agree, I've stopped watching him because he's zero info and full on shock jock mode.
@nkbaby1069 I wish I got paid, that would have been awesome, unfortunately not. And I disagree with you on Josh standing up for what is right. Josh stands up for views for his channel only, so I'd say my opinion is that "Josh stands up for nothing, and you'll fall for anything".
Misleading title .Airport terminals should have been a separate review.
Thanks for your comment, took me a moment to think about your point there, I did think about talking about the terminal in a sperate video but I didn't feel that there was enough material so I popped it at the start of this one and made sure there were chapters so that viewers could easily skip ahead.
I do appreciate your feedback so thank you for taking the time to comment,
Phil
Great balanced review Phil, but the big question.... what brand is your sleep mask with the speakers?? Thanks!
Thanks for your comment, much appreciated. The eye mask I bought was this one,
amzn.to/4b0IjZK but it is no longer available. However one that looks very similar that is available is amzn.to/48WkVuE. But I think they're sort of generic with a number of seller selling the same product from the same factory.
Thanks
Phil
Nice one Phil. I guess we all have our own opinion's of standards. As for me in economy, if you you get at least 2 options for a meal, as long as it's not over or under cooked I'm happy.
What was the Cognac option in the 1st lounge?
Keep going with the good work.
Steve. C.
Thanks for your kind comments Steve, I didn't even know that there were ever more than two options in economy, so I'm always happy with that. I'd rather that than huge food waste on every flight. When I was in the First Lounge last year I did a piece to camera and I say that it's Remy Martin brandy, otherwise I wouldn't have a clue.
Thanks
Phil
Thanks for your review, I found it very informative. We recently traveled with QR from MEL to CDG and thought the experience was great both ways….my concern with Josh’s review was not the content, but rather the way he dealt with the consequences of posting his video on the crew….that doesn’t justify QR’s behaviour but I feel he could have handled it differently and saved the crew.
Thank you for sharing your views, much appreciated. I agree with you, Qatar were probably a bit heavy handed but Josh didn't do anything to help himself. If the crew were dismissed then this is the saddest part of the story.
Thanks for the info + video!
No problem!
Nice review. Good to see considering I've never been on any of the middle east airlines.. For meal choices, I've been on several long flights in Eco recently with no choice - one meal, take or leave (in all cases a vegetarian one).
Thanks for your comment and support, much appreciated. I would love to know who offers one meal choice, if you could let me know I'd appreciate it.
@@mygreygapyear no worries, it was Lufthansa..
Trashansa would be my guess too haha.
Every flight is so different, and josh had a bad one , we have had 2 bad flights so you were lucky, so rather try to put shit on someone, remember he's a professional your not, and he's got years and air miles millions of ahead of you, so please becarefull what you say I've met josh he's a really friendly nice guy. And he was last month voted best airline reviewer, he pays for his own flights unlike Sam chu. You have got years to make up good luck
Thank you for sharing your views Jenny. I appreciate your views but I have to take exception to your claim of me shitting on Josh Cahill. I disagreed with Josh's review based on his footage, not on my own experience, so to use your crude term Jenny, my opinion was that Josh was "shitting" on Qatar Airways, further, that he had done this for clicks and views and that he had singled out Qatar in an unfair way that he hadn't done to other airlines he'd reviewed.
I challenge you to list which airlines where he has been offered less that three options in economy and then complained about it. So far the current list contains one airline. Qatar Airways.
Pedigree is not a reason to not challenge someone Jenny, even the gods of reviews, like our pal Joshie, can be disagreed with. If you scroll down you'll see that there are more commenters who disagree with Josh and it is a vocal minority (like you) that agree.
I would be far more interested in your experience with Qatar Airways than your drum beating and banner waving for your "boi" Josh!
Thank you for kind wishes for a lucky future,
Phil
Those seats are soo small. I have very broad shoulders.
I agree, I think three of me (or you, me and your broad shouldered mate) and it's not going to be very comfortable
Good review but I would recommend a better camera though!
Thank you for your comment, I use a GoPro Hero10 which is terrible in low light (as soon as they lower the cabin lights), but it is discreet. Do you have a recommendation?
And details on the Sydney flight
Thanks for your comment, I don't remember mentioning a Sydney flight, I haven't been to Sydney for some years and it's not currently on my schedule.
I find the new Qatar security video kind of bizarre with the flight attendants popping up in weird places. Specifically, the part with the life jacket sticks out. I think you are right about the IFE systems personally I think Turkish's offering is better.
Thanks for your comment and your support, it's much appreciated. If it's the same video that I watched I think it's supposed to be Qatar around the world, so it's "look at all these places we fly to". I haven't tried Turkish but I do want to...
Pork on a Muslim airline I don't think so
No, you're right, it was probably beef because it came from Australia and, as you say, an airline based in a Muslim country.
Of course Qatar have since lifted their game!!
Thanks for sharing your views, I suppose every review is one person's view of one flight.
I'm travelling on Qatar airlines in no more than 16 days !!
Thanks for your comment, I hope you have a great trip, where are you off to?
As should have been expected, P is right next to E... 🙄
Thanks for your comment, I know right? Melbourne Airport cracks me up.
Gosh review was honest and true reflection of common travellers observations. It seems your video is paid content, sorry to say that
Thank you for sharing your views and also please never apologise for what those views are, this is an open forum and polite feedback is always welcome, which your is.
I was not paid by Qatar Airways, I seriously doubt they know I exist and if they had paid me I imagine they would have asked for the dirty tray tables to be cut and more on how good the staff were, I didn't really observe the staff because my flight was before I knew about Josh getting banned.
Thanks again for sharing, it is appreciated
Phil
Well if you're sorry to say it, then why say it? The "Josh fan club" out loud n proud in this topic. 😂
Why do you need to say sorry to him. He is often condescending 🤮
Thanks for your comment and your support, much appreciated. I wouldn't say condescending (but I might agree with it) 😊
I am not sure why you mentioned josh so many times. He is full of crap and got a few cabin crew members fired.
Thanks for your comment, I made this video after Josh Cahill made his critical video about Qatar airways and I wanted to compare my experience to Josh's, which is why Josh Cahill is mentioned in the video and in the title.
@@mygreygapyear Thanks, I think your reviews are very fair. I was just a bit angry that cabin crew got fired after Cahills video, while he was trying to make money. Do you think the seat (I believe its 68D) without seat in front (you showed in this video) is worth it or the width is reduced even more? I had some seats on other planes and enjoyed the leg room. but the width was not comfortable. Thanks in advance for your advice.
@@ambalina I don't think they could reduce the width of the seat any further, so this legroom seat is probably a good option, although it will probably have a cost to it. I don't need the legroom so I tend to not book these even if it's free.