Thank you for this. For some reason this quote which I’m sorry to say I can’t attribute came to mind: “Rather than being in a power boat trying to go upriver, take a canoe and follow the flow of the stream. You can still steer, but you don’t need to fight the current.”
Thank you both for an amazing discussion. 🌹🌹 "Attention to attention," thank you, Dr. McGilchrist's for all your books and all others books that are in tune with yours asking questions of who are we? We remember the peoples islands of Hawaii and the indigenous culture there and listened to their voices as the wind fires of destabilizing force ablazed their scorched voices long ago was told. Khuli aku, kahli mai. Kahuli lei 'ula, lei, 'akolea Kolea, kolea; ki'i ka wai, wai 'akolea. which menas: Trill afar, trill near. Kahuli with scarlet stripe, lea of akolea. Plover, plover; fetch the water Water from ' Akolea (pond) 🙏❤️🌎🎵🎶
fantastic discussion, thank you for this, so important, and so well crafted, the language, the concepts, the intelligence, but intelligence without arrogance. refreshing!
Fabulous conversation, thank you. I’ve been pondering lately how corporations are left-hemisphere in nature, hubristic and knowing no limits and wondering how this might change.
I was doing some of the same sort of pondering today, and wrote about it in an essay. See (title): Livelihood: a new and old idea. (publication) The R-Word on Substack.
According to Thomas Sowell, there are no solutions only tradeoffs. Would agree with your suggestion that predicaments can't fundamentally be eradicated.
Disappointing that the climate change dogma was so uncritically accepted. The problems of modernity are so much deeper than the analysis of the eco extremists.
Fascinating discussion... excellent insight into how our white, privileged, educated world is responding to the planetary crisis (and I write as a member of this group)..... but where is the analysis of class, race, gender, capitalism ? it is almost as if what we need to focus on is to change ourselves and our consciousness not society or relations of power and exploitation... as a poetic and aesthetically interesting 'take' on our planetary crisis , this discussion is attractive, but I cannot see any politics here... is this an example of a neoliberal (i.e. individualistic, 'realistic' and quintessentially liberal and 'progressive') but honest appraisal of our condition.. but one bereft of any sense of collective action and agency for moving from 'now' to 'there'? that rather than change the world we need to change ourselves?'
Glad you enjoyed the discussion, John. I take your point about what is lacking from it. I guess my answer would be that Iain is a psychiatrist, philosopher and literary scholar, not a political or decolonial theorist or activist, and so this discussion naturally tacks towards the area in which our thinking overlaps. If you have time, I'd point you towards the conversations with Vandana Shiva and Lydia Catterall, also on this channel, and the dialogues with Gustavo Esteva and Vanessa Andreotti that you'll find on my website. I try to engage with a range of thinkers and practitioners who bring different things to the table, as my assumption is that none of us are in a position to cover the whole of the long front along which the present order of the world needs to be brought into question, resisted or simply laughed at, in the spirit of the Emperor's New Clothes. If you make it to my book, At Work in the Ruins, you'll get a sense of where all these conversations have brought me so far, and how central voices from the Global South are within the resulting analysis. As for the choice you frame between "changing the world" and "changing ourselves", I'm not convinced that this needs to be an either/or? But perhaps that wasn't what you meant to suggest. In any case, thanks for raising these questions.
Thank you for this. For some reason this quote which I’m sorry to say I can’t attribute came to mind: “Rather than being in a power boat trying to go upriver, take a canoe and follow the flow of the stream. You can still steer, but you don’t need to fight the current.”
Thanks to both of you for a fascinating conversation.
Thank you so much for sharing this conversation. It must be so wonderful to be among people with whom you can share these ideas.
Thank you both for an amazing discussion. 🌹🌹
"Attention to attention," thank you, Dr. McGilchrist's for all your books and all others books that are in tune with yours asking questions of who are we?
We remember the peoples islands of Hawaii and the indigenous culture there and listened to their voices as the wind fires of destabilizing force ablazed their scorched voices long ago was told.
Khuli aku, kahli mai.
Kahuli lei 'ula, lei, 'akolea
Kolea, kolea; ki'i ka wai, wai 'akolea.
which menas:
Trill afar, trill near.
Kahuli with scarlet stripe, lea of akolea.
Plover, plover; fetch the water
Water from ' Akolea (pond)
🙏❤️🌎🎵🎶
Checking in with an elder...beautiful conversation...so glad you made the video
The master and the apprentice
fantastic discussion, thank you for this, so important, and so well crafted, the language, the concepts, the intelligence, but intelligence without arrogance. refreshing!
What an amazing conversation! Master class.
Late to the show here. A fascinating discussion. Many thanks!
Fabulous conversation, thank you. I’ve been pondering lately how corporations are left-hemisphere in nature, hubristic and knowing no limits and wondering how this might change.
I was doing some of the same sort of pondering today, and wrote about it in an essay. See (title): Livelihood: a new and old idea. (publication) The R-Word on Substack.
At 22.25 as said in French” le putain de facteur humain” PFH
Lovely! Create good ruins is good advice for living in these end times.
Each person has their own world and there are different ways each person’s private world can end.
The problem is, rather than aligning with nature seeking to control and manipulate it.
According to Thomas Sowell, there are no solutions only tradeoffs. Would agree with your suggestion that predicaments can't fundamentally be eradicated.
Iain story about his mother's death and his daughter's birth reminded me of this work by Bill Viola, ua-cam.com/video/vz312dtUP5s/v-deo.html
Thank you, I just listened to Bill Viola's conversation about his artistry with poems that affected his life. ❤Beautiful!!!
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Disappointing that the climate change dogma was so uncritically accepted. The problems of modernity are so much deeper than the analysis of the eco extremists.
Fascinating discussion... excellent insight into how our white, privileged, educated world is responding to the planetary crisis (and I write as a member of this group)..... but where is the analysis of class, race, gender, capitalism ? it is almost as if what we need to focus on is to change ourselves and our consciousness not society or relations of power and exploitation... as a poetic and aesthetically interesting 'take' on our planetary crisis , this discussion is attractive, but I cannot see any politics here... is this an example of a neoliberal (i.e. individualistic, 'realistic' and quintessentially liberal and 'progressive') but honest appraisal of our condition.. but one bereft of any sense of collective action and agency for moving from 'now' to 'there'? that rather than change the world we need to change ourselves?'
Glad you enjoyed the discussion, John. I take your point about what is lacking from it. I guess my answer would be that Iain is a psychiatrist, philosopher and literary scholar, not a political or decolonial theorist or activist, and so this discussion naturally tacks towards the area in which our thinking overlaps. If you have time, I'd point you towards the conversations with Vandana Shiva and Lydia Catterall, also on this channel, and the dialogues with Gustavo Esteva and Vanessa Andreotti that you'll find on my website. I try to engage with a range of thinkers and practitioners who bring different things to the table, as my assumption is that none of us are in a position to cover the whole of the long front along which the present order of the world needs to be brought into question, resisted or simply laughed at, in the spirit of the Emperor's New Clothes. If you make it to my book, At Work in the Ruins, you'll get a sense of where all these conversations have brought me so far, and how central voices from the Global South are within the resulting analysis. As for the choice you frame between "changing the world" and "changing ourselves", I'm not convinced that this needs to be an either/or? But perhaps that wasn't what you meant to suggest. In any case, thanks for raising these questions.
I’m not entirely sure those who are creating the lions share of emissions are white my friend.
An enormous man you are with many inights.
Thank you again for your intelligence for asking probing questions. 🙏❤️🌎🎵🎶