I want to thank all of you on this journey for all of us who are listening to these conversations with Dr. Iian McGilchrist's books that are so important. I have been listening to this one since 6:00 a.m this morning stopping reading certain parts of his books and now it's 1:31 p.m on Sunday afternoon August 13, 2023. With the deepest appreciation and admiration for all who are participating in these ideas of wisdom with intelligence. Bravo 🙏❤️🌎🕊🎶🎵
I SO appreciate Charles saying that we have a choice. We can literally DECIDE to use our imaginations (imbued with compassion/love/beauty). We're not victims. And we aren't alone.
What a wonderful combination. Iain McGilchrist is a cosmic treasure (I was going to say a national treasure, as I am english, but my Master knows better!). Thank you so much.
He should come to Ireland where we are going bonky in the universities , government and media from intellectual mediocrity and monoculture ....for the masses !
If there were a god, then would there be any demand for scripture interpretations by various podium-jockeys using fantasyland vocabulary? We really should address the social acceptance of large numbers of people speaking a fantasyland vocabulary & openly indulging in the deceit of religious belief as a tool of fascism. These are the wolves in sheep's clothing, we know them by their works: A wicked generation seeking signs when Jesus The Nailed says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing verbal orders to one. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control. Look at the verbose podium jockey speaking of faith & prayer as if we all should have a preference for travel with one foot in fantasyland. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, & there is talk as if God does not have a perfect record of doing nothing, as if we had no reason for the saying: God helps those helping themselves. A house divided cannot stand. We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland. 'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.'' It was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey. Theologians acquire grand titles without certification from a deity, & project certainty using fantasyland vocabulary in an academic setting to compensate for lack of reason.
It is not that the “Unknown awaits to be stirred by unexpected questions” but rather to be engendered by the depth and breath of the Imagination, the fields of beauty and the ineffable spark of the soul!
@@Neilgs That, roughly, sounds like we have already reached the "place of Truth" through our "deep imagination and beautiful soul" and what we need to do is, "make that a reality of the Unknown", too.
@@dionissiakabylis Not quite. The depth and breadth of the Imagination, the fields of beauty and the ineffable spark of the soul is the stuff of the Unknown. There is no recipe. There is no a priori map.
@@NeilgsAs long as "knowing" that "there is no recipe or there is no a priori map", does not meanwhile mean that, we "know what we are(or should be) eating", or we "know where we are(or should be) going". To "know we do not know", is a tricky thing to "know".
Beautiful conversation, thank you both and to the thoughtful questioners too. Charles - when you said "To exist is to relate" (18:28), I somehow heard it as "I relate, therefore I exist". Reminded me of Descartes... I wonder what you 'think' about that paraphrase and if it's plausible that our cultural focus on thinking versus relating is another indicator of the hall of mirrors that Iain described from the left hemisphere.
All the things ignored by culture is what gives life meaning. 😢 I love Jill Bolte Taylor’s TED talks “Stroke of Insight”. Speaks on the right/left brain. One of my all time fav talks. This is amazing too. ❤ right now I feel like that flower coming through the cracks of the sidewalk. It’s painful.
As Living Systems are ‘emergent’, this highly valuable dialogue parsed the nature of AI as self-referencing (left brained control) while relationship is right brained and apriori to the emergence of the brand new in this instant. Charles suggests we have ‘choice’ as to which ‘attractor’ we shall choose, more materiality as offered by AI, or more relationship, more life…
The model of Task versus Maintenance might help with the example of Vertical (which in his book, Dr McG associates with Left Brain) versus horizontal axis... Check it out. Maintenance refers to Relationship/connection... presence/being! Task, is, well, tasks/productivity/doing!
Ian McGilchrist also says that belief in a higher power in control is from the left brain, not the right brain. Why? Because it gives an artificial reason for order. From the matter with things book by Ian. "One related difference between right and left prefrontal cortex activation is that the left dominates where belief bias points to the correct conclusion, and, by contrast, the right dominates where it does not.260 Belief bias is in fact generally associated with the left hemisphere, not with the right hemisphere.261 I" Also chapter 4 "To put it crudely, the right hemisphere is our bullshit detector. It is better at avoiding nonsense when asked to believe it, but it is also better at avoiding falling prey to local prejudice and just dismissing rational argument because the argument does not happen to agree with that prejudice"
The dialog was definitely meta and I am grateful for the experience of listening. I somewhat label myself as an animist and therefore see all as intelligent. I often ponder about A I . Perhaps there is no separation ?
There was a guy at the Dare institute...that mapped out human conciousness and used the findings to teach on the growth levels of AI conciousness....hilariously anyone in a country with religious instruction and zero tolerance for critical thought(platos caves/shrodingers cat etc)....is now less intelligent than the sheep herding algorithms of AI....
I would respectfully suggest that Ian is all over the internet, keeping us all in our heads, rather than in our bodies. Is it possible for Charles and Patsy to consider someone like Michael Meade, who works with ritual, song and story telling? I knew that you were excited to interview Ian, and I understand that everyone has their area of expertise. As you said, Charles, it gets tiring to quote your work, again and again. What an honor it would be to Michael and what a blessing for the Sanity Project to experience something moving, rather than cerebral.
37:18 I think I heard mr Eisenstein refer his story to “University of Oslo”? I’m just as outraged as mr McGilchrist was, but not at all surprised. I’ve tried hard since around the crash of 2008 to understand why we are where we are. I soon - after first becoming politically “radicalised” - realised that any possible human and ecological solution lies way beyond our sickening political economy. As a Norwegian at 57, I’m pretty much alone here. My generation was the luckiest ever, but we’ve left our young with an unbearable burden. Now it seems most OECD countries are moving away from a failing global narrative towards an even more dangerous nationalist competitive one. Many may coldly observe this, but most won’t realise that we are always moving, or in what direction. In that frozen deconstructed view, I seem to be regarded the “insane one”. That’s not anxiety, just fear from very palpable reasons. 🙏👍
If there were a god, then would there be any demand for scripture interpretations by various podium-jockeys using fantasyland vocabulary? We really should address the social acceptance of large numbers of people speaking a fantasyland vocabulary & openly indulging in the deceit of religious belief as a tool of fascism. These are the wolves in sheep's clothing, we know them by their works: A wicked generation seeking signs when Jesus The Nailed says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing verbal orders to one. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control. Look at the verbose podium jockey speaking of faith & prayer as if we all should have a preference for travel with one foot in fantasyland. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, & there is talk as if God does not have a perfect record of doing nothing, as if we had no reason for the saying: God helps those helping themselves. A house divided cannot stand. We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland. 'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.'' It was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey. Theologians acquire grand titles without certification from a deity, & project certainty using fantasyland vocabulary in an academic setting to compensate for lack of reason.
At about 23m Eisenstein talks about how narratives become "self-consistent" and "hermetic". I would call this "the Bates Motel", recognising the motel in Hitchcock's movie which functions fine until you remind Norman (just a consonant away from "Normal") that the motel is out of touch and that he is wasting his life. A little earlier in this conversation, the pair are discussing how biology, physics and even economics has moved far away from a mechanistic understanding of our reality, simply because that way of understanding does no it the experience. Bringing these diverse perspectives together creates "Happy Hour at the Bates Motel" where no-one can be singled out and silenced by "Mother"... (but still, take care in the shower...)
Never confuse personality with attitude. Personality depends on who I am my attitude depends on who you are. Your memories are your story and there are a large number of insane persons who will try to take away your identity by gaslighting you into making out that you are deluded. They are many neuroscientists who will be ultra scientific in their approach and attempt to categorise you into a character type, which is founded on a constructivist and reductionist argument geared to decimate your privilege of existence. Whilst these 'professionals' have not bridged both hemispheres of the brain themselves they talk as if all scientific knowledge of the brain is known. Psychologists have file drawer problems for which they have no explanation and when the subjective truth of an experience is labelled as a 'hall of mirrors' experience, even if evidence of an objective experience is presented as evidence as proof, the professor of the mind will have a pretext, based on what they they themselves wish to project because they do not fully understand reality or existence.
@@tappetmanifolds7024 agreed. My point was that the perception is a pattern in the person. Perceptions made by an individual are inside the individual and made of them, mechanically
@@Aquaticphilosophia We know more about perception than any of the other mechanisms of the brain. The atoms in our body are replaced every ten years so for us to retain memories of real time events is remarkable. To imply that perceptions are mechanisms is quirky. It would serve is quite well to remember that objective reality and subjective reality are mutually exclusive until a synchronicity experience unifies the experience of both into a cohesive model of clarity.
So very interesting..successful game of bridge uses left and right brain...the left brain can count the tricks but the right brain sees the environment or threats and can plot the strategy. Left brain alone can only pounce and probably not make contract!
28:45 Indeed, surrounded by scorn and derision as well as confirmation bias. If we lose our compassion to be human and empathic then the species is lost. The sociology of soap opera psychosis and mad-cap traffic and supermarket behaviourism is an empirical Hieronymous Bosch painting when you are tuned into some higher stack of thinking from knowledge gained.
27:30 Iain “Partly for capitalist economic reasons” Iain being a far faaarrrr more successful capitalist than me, I hesitate to criticise but the description is just wrong, and dangerously so. From around 2005-2008 I had a bit of an obsession with John Ralston Saul’s book The Collapse Of Globalism. Saul basically places the birth of Globalism in 1971 when America came off the gold standard... I think it was also the first year of Klaus Schwab’s Davos conference. Saul knows his history and cites many historical antecedents but for modern Globalism proper, it’s 1971. (some say the founding of the Federal Reserve in the early 20th century, and I’m inclined to agree) Roger Scruton also recognises a legitimate critique of frenzied acquisition, the profit motive, mass consumerism etc etc; he refers to the Old Testament. But, and taking my inspiration from Iain, my new obsession with etymology... philology (of which we need a Renaissance... scuse my French) the word Economic derives from the Ancient Greek, Oikos (home) nomos (management, order, law). Scruton spoke of oikophilia, he also had some very shrewd, related, anthropological insight into sexual mores (which I may comment on separately)... also, in his Master And His Emissary, spoke of a ‘Saussurian denial’, I quote: “And why do I emphasise this bodily origin of thought and language? Partly because it has been denied in our own age, not by any means only, or even mainly, by de Saussure and his followers. More than that, the fact of its denial seems to me to form part of a general trend, throughout the last hundred years or so, towards the ever greater repudiation of our embodied being, in favour of an abstracted, cerebralised, machine-like version of ourselves that has taken hold on popular thinking” And of “skeletons in the closet”, as if it’s some kind of peculiar phenomenon. This is where I somewhat ironically, mischievously, claim to be no advocate of ‘free speech’, or should I say emancipated speech? Really, we’re talking about the rejection of God, particularly as pertains to sexual mores, as pertains to Jane Austin’s patriarchy; did Willoughby represent the patriarchy? What about George Wickham? Henry Crawford? No... the purpose of patriarchy was to make such men accountable. What about Mr Bennett? Now we’re getting a little closer... but he failed in his patriarchal duty when, for example, Elizabeth implored him to reign in Lydia’s wilful frivolity. Of course he was a little too interested in his library... and scandal ensued. What about Mr Knightly: “Badly done Emma! Badly done indeed!” There it is, right there... the patriarchy. That’s what we have rejected and girls gone wild... consequently words bear the ‘stench’ of morality... the anomie... a-nomos... Don’t blame capitalism, blame QE, (Quantitative Expropriation), blame Mitch McConnell for refusing to heed MAGA and giving the green light to incomprehensible levels of money printing. Blame the rejection of home... think about the expression ‘the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach’ I.e being a home (oikos) maker, not a seductress.
Isn’t dividing it into left and right all left hemisphere abstraction and categorization. Ian’s work is like the confession of a serial killer in the process of a murder.
Yes, the books have tons of detail, excessive at times for me, as I get the gist (the right brain can understand the gestalt-big picture). He's trying to explain it to people who are primarily left hemisphere dominated in this society.
@@skynet4496 the method of analysis is literally exactly what he’s complaining about. It’s a really funny performative contradiction no one seems to notice.
@@Aquaticphilosophiayes, I have to skim some sections where he goes on and on... Same when Charles goes on and on lol, they're probably left brained and suss over details. But sometimes I see Iain gets a little bored with Charles's word salad lol. He prefers the word of great writers. BTW others have pointed out this about Iain's books, but the main gist of his books is very important and key to understand why society is in this mess.
@@skynet4496 my method of analysis is way more effective and the conceptual line is between the totality of the metabolic activity of the body and the water containing the activity, not left and right brain. Its body/breath vs water, not left and right brain. Really dumb division in my opinion.
49.30 "animacy is the norm in the cosmos". we have a great need to bring this directly to the inclusive nature of our participation, and yet we lack a word for it. whilst we recognise the dynamics between earth, air, fire and water - mildly upgraded to lithosphere, atmosphere, biosphere and hydrosphere - in planetary homeostasis, we have yet to include "psychosphere", that is, the internal processing - animacy - of all things. locally (earth) human psyche seeks to bully and exploit these processes, but in fact the feedback is apparent in all the fields, and impacts us, embodied psyche, in so many ways. Auto-gaslighting is an intrinsic component of the dominant system. And it needs to be outed. "nothing is necessarily wrong" - I suspect that everything is arising from or responding to a particular level of animacy seeking to communicate through the basic common sentience in which we and the other-than-human are all participant...
As a beekeeper who communicates with the more evolved and biologically intelligent consciousness of the over-lighting spirit of the Hive I agree with your perspective.
How does the panel suggest avoiding intergenerational Ontological insecurity in favour of ontological reality...im concerned that the paradoxes of his/her story are patterned unconsiously and consciousness is in entrophy for most people unless the unconsious addictive thoughts trying to maintain homeostasis are shown as adding to the polarities of the attractor ideologies....but the issue is that the 'powers' causing the issues are seen as protective like existing systems...then again traumatised folks with learned helplessness will choose the sick system over new...ie neophobia keeps the bottom feeders supporting the elevated...openness is the greatest solvent(Bohmian Dialogue)...
Our brains are labyrinth. We weave our way and overthink everything. What would it be like to not have a brain. Hmmm 🤔 These are my thoughts in the first few minutes. This is going to be good. Now back to the video!
Perhaps see Ian's tale of the cat which had it's neocortex removed. Apparently it made very little difference to it's functioning/behaviour. Not sure what the result would be in a human , though.😂
Actually the world has NOT gone crazy .. Is too many people, mauled under a horrible centralized rule. That too packed inside a very impoverished ecosystem. Hence, our collective Overshoot is leading to collapse. As always it does with any species.
I want to thank all of you on this journey for all of us who are listening to these conversations with Dr. Iian McGilchrist's books that are so important. I have been listening to this one since 6:00 a.m this morning stopping reading certain parts of his books and now it's 1:31 p.m on Sunday afternoon August 13, 2023.
With the deepest appreciation and admiration for all who are participating in these ideas of wisdom with intelligence.
Bravo 🙏❤️🌎🕊🎶🎵
Perfect conversation...thank you both!
I SO appreciate Charles saying that we have a choice. We can literally DECIDE to use our imaginations (imbued with compassion/love/beauty). We're not victims. And we aren't alone.
Don't say that to the Irish media!
@@tomgreene1843
Always stay on the side of the angels.
Love your intro Patsy with the ref to the Gita and left/right brain - never considered that and it totally fits! Great interview.
What a wonderful combination. Iain McGilchrist is a cosmic treasure (I was going to say a national treasure, as I am english, but my Master knows better!). Thank you so much.
He should come to Ireland where we are going bonky in the universities , government and media from intellectual mediocrity and monoculture ....for the masses !
This conversation is Gold 💫it used to be normal and now it's worth it's weight in gold, beautiful intelligent chat. Thank you
I feel so blessed to be amongst you all🙏
Thank you 🙏
So uplifting to have Two spirited humans speak Of such important things ❤️🙏🏻thank you
Thank you so much. I can feel all of this!
two lovely souls sharing light and love
So wonderful to hear this much needed conversation from 2 people I greatly admire absolutely riveting!
Wonderful conversation - 2 of my favourite people talking together and making sense in these times if insanity! THANK YOU both!
Incredible conversation 💛💛
Patterns keep us comfortably occupied with perceptions of reality, but it is the unknown that awaits to be stirred by unexpected questions.
If there were a god, then would there be any demand for scripture interpretations by various podium-jockeys using fantasyland vocabulary?
We really should address the social acceptance of large numbers of people speaking a fantasyland vocabulary & openly indulging in the deceit of religious belief as a tool of fascism.
These are the wolves in sheep's clothing, we know them by their works:
A wicked generation seeking signs when Jesus The Nailed says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing verbal orders to one.
Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control.
Look at the verbose podium jockey speaking of faith & prayer as if we all should have a preference for travel with one foot in fantasyland.
Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, & there is talk as if God does not have a perfect record of doing nothing, as if we had no reason for the saying: God helps those helping themselves.
A house divided cannot stand.
We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland.
'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.''
It was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings.
One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey.
Theologians acquire grand titles without certification from a deity, & project certainty using fantasyland vocabulary in an academic setting to compensate for lack of reason.
It is not that the “Unknown awaits to be stirred by unexpected questions” but rather to be engendered by the depth and breath of the Imagination, the fields of beauty and the ineffable spark of the soul!
@@Neilgs That, roughly, sounds like we have already reached the "place of Truth" through our "deep imagination and beautiful soul" and what we need to do is, "make that a reality of the Unknown", too.
@@dionissiakabylis Not quite. The depth and breadth of the Imagination, the fields of beauty and the ineffable spark of the soul is the stuff of the Unknown. There is no recipe. There is no a priori map.
@@NeilgsAs long as "knowing" that "there is no recipe or there is no a priori map", does not meanwhile mean that, we "know what we are(or should be) eating", or we "know where we are(or should be) going". To "know we do not know", is a tricky thing to "know".
Wonderful conversation, so inspiring. Thank you both ❤
Beautiful conversation. Really enjoying this meeting of minds.
Wonderful to see you Patsy! And thank you all for bringing such a much needed Conversation
Love this! Thank you
Thank you for this window
Beautiful conversation, thank you both and to the thoughtful questioners too. Charles - when you said "To exist is to relate" (18:28), I somehow heard it as "I relate, therefore I exist". Reminded me of Descartes... I wonder what you 'think' about that paraphrase and if it's plausible that our cultural focus on thinking versus relating is another indicator of the hall of mirrors that Iain described from the left hemisphere.
All the things ignored by culture is what gives life meaning. 😢
I love Jill Bolte Taylor’s TED talks “Stroke of Insight”. Speaks on the right/left brain. One of my all time fav talks.
This is amazing too. ❤ right now I feel like that flower coming through the cracks of the sidewalk. It’s painful.
the rising interplay between Charles and Ian is delightful to watch
As Living Systems are ‘emergent’, this highly valuable dialogue parsed the nature of AI as self-referencing (left brained control) while relationship is right brained and apriori to the emergence of the brand new in this instant. Charles suggests we have ‘choice’ as to which ‘attractor’ we shall choose, more materiality as offered by AI, or more relationship, more life…
Min 22 “uniting the divided dividing the united!❤
Two of my favourite minds
❤❤❤❤🔥🔥 Excellent 💯💯
Cool stuff to journey in thr frontier lands of the mind!
Here for 37:49 😊
Union through allowing, the all,, free will to make their own choices, knowing we will differ, and finding a way to be at peace with that.
The model of Task versus Maintenance might help with the example of Vertical (which in his book, Dr McG associates with Left Brain) versus horizontal axis... Check it out. Maintenance refers to Relationship/connection... presence/being! Task, is, well, tasks/productivity/doing!
Ian McGilchrist also says that belief in a higher power in control is from the left brain, not the right brain. Why? Because it gives an artificial reason for order.
From the matter with things book by Ian.
"One related difference between right and left prefrontal cortex activation is that the left dominates where belief bias points to the correct conclusion, and, by contrast, the right dominates where it does not.260 Belief bias is in fact generally associated with the left hemisphere, not with the right hemisphere.261 I"
Also chapter 4
"To put it crudely, the right hemisphere is our bullshit detector. It is better at avoiding nonsense when asked to believe it, but it is also better at avoiding falling prey to local prejudice and just dismissing rational argument because the argument does not happen to agree with that prejudice"
The dialog was definitely meta and I am grateful for the experience of listening. I somewhat label myself as an animist and therefore see all as intelligent. I often ponder about A I . Perhaps there is no separation ?
There was a guy at the Dare institute...that mapped out human conciousness and used the findings to teach on the growth levels of AI conciousness....hilariously anyone in a country with religious instruction and zero tolerance for critical thought(platos caves/shrodingers cat etc)....is now less intelligent than the sheep herding algorithms of AI....
I would respectfully suggest that Ian is all over the internet, keeping us all in our heads, rather than in our bodies. Is it possible for Charles and Patsy to consider someone like Michael Meade, who works with ritual, song and story telling? I knew that you were excited to interview Ian, and I understand that everyone has their area of expertise. As you said, Charles, it gets tiring to quote your work, again and again. What an honor it would be to Michael and what a blessing for the Sanity Project to experience something moving, rather than cerebral.
37:18 I think I heard mr Eisenstein refer his story to “University of Oslo”?
I’m just as outraged as mr McGilchrist was, but not at all surprised.
I’ve tried hard since around the crash of 2008 to understand why we are where we are. I soon - after first becoming politically “radicalised” - realised that any possible human and ecological solution lies way beyond our sickening political economy.
As a Norwegian at 57, I’m pretty much alone here. My generation was the luckiest ever, but we’ve left our young with an unbearable burden.
Now it seems most OECD countries are moving away from a failing global narrative towards an even more dangerous nationalist competitive one.
Many may coldly observe this, but most won’t realise that we are always moving, or in what direction. In that frozen deconstructed view, I seem to be regarded the “insane one”.
That’s not anxiety, just fear from very palpable reasons. 🙏👍
“a sanity project.” I will decide whether that’s illusion or genuine for myself or not
The Supreme Leader is in charge!!!
If there were a god, then would there be any demand for scripture interpretations by various podium-jockeys using fantasyland vocabulary?
We really should address the social acceptance of large numbers of people speaking a fantasyland vocabulary & openly indulging in the deceit of religious belief as a tool of fascism.
These are the wolves in sheep's clothing, we know them by their works:
A wicked generation seeking signs when Jesus The Nailed says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing verbal orders to one.
Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control.
Look at the verbose podium jockey speaking of faith & prayer as if we all should have a preference for travel with one foot in fantasyland.
Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, & there is talk as if God does not have a perfect record of doing nothing, as if we had no reason for the saying: God helps those helping themselves.
A house divided cannot stand.
We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland.
'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.''
It was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings.
One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey.
Theologians acquire grand titles without certification from a deity, & project certainty using fantasyland vocabulary in an academic setting to compensate for lack of reason.
At about 23m Eisenstein talks about how narratives become "self-consistent" and "hermetic". I would call this "the Bates Motel", recognising the motel in Hitchcock's movie which functions fine until you remind Norman (just a consonant away from "Normal") that the motel is out of touch and that he is wasting his life. A little earlier in this conversation, the pair are discussing how biology, physics and even economics has moved far away from a mechanistic understanding of our reality, simply because that way of understanding does no it the experience. Bringing these diverse perspectives together creates "Happy Hour at the Bates Motel" where no-one can be singled out and silenced by "Mother"... (but still, take care in the shower...)
Good
All things in each persons perception are literally created from their personality. The atoms are personable.
Never confuse personality with attitude.
Personality depends on who I am my attitude depends on who you are.
Your memories are your story and there are a large number of insane persons who will try to take away your identity by gaslighting you into making out that you are deluded.
They are many neuroscientists who will be ultra scientific in their approach and attempt to categorise you into a character type, which is founded on a constructivist and reductionist argument geared to decimate your privilege of existence.
Whilst these 'professionals' have not bridged both hemispheres of the brain themselves they talk as if all scientific knowledge of the brain is known.
Psychologists have file drawer problems for which they have no explanation and when the subjective truth of an experience is labelled as a 'hall of mirrors' experience, even if evidence of an objective experience is presented as evidence as proof, the professor of the mind will have a pretext, based on what they they themselves wish to project because they do not fully understand reality or existence.
@@tappetmanifolds7024 agreed. My point was that the perception is a pattern in the person. Perceptions made by an individual are inside the individual and made of them, mechanically
@@Aquaticphilosophia
We know more about perception than any of the other mechanisms of the brain.
The atoms in our body are replaced every ten years so for us to retain memories of real time events is remarkable.
To imply that perceptions are mechanisms is quirky.
It would serve is quite well to remember that objective reality and subjective reality are mutually exclusive until a synchronicity experience unifies the experience of both into a cohesive model of clarity.
So very interesting..successful game of bridge uses left and right brain...the left brain can count the tricks but the right brain sees the environment or threats and can plot the strategy. Left brain alone can only pounce and probably not make contract!
28:45
Indeed, surrounded by scorn and derision as well as confirmation bias.
If we lose our compassion to be human and empathic then the species is lost.
The sociology of soap opera psychosis and mad-cap traffic and supermarket behaviourism is an empirical Hieronymous Bosch painting when you are tuned into some higher stack of thinking from knowledge gained.
1:19:09
27:30 Iain “Partly for capitalist economic reasons”
Iain being a far faaarrrr more successful capitalist than me, I hesitate to criticise but the description is just wrong, and dangerously so.
From around 2005-2008 I had a bit of an obsession with John Ralston Saul’s book The Collapse Of Globalism. Saul basically places the birth of Globalism in 1971 when America came off the gold standard... I think it was also the first year of Klaus Schwab’s Davos conference.
Saul knows his history and cites many historical antecedents but for modern Globalism proper, it’s 1971. (some say the founding of the Federal Reserve in the early 20th century, and I’m inclined to agree)
Roger Scruton also recognises a legitimate critique of frenzied acquisition, the profit motive, mass consumerism etc etc; he refers to the Old Testament.
But, and taking my inspiration from Iain, my new obsession with etymology... philology (of which we need a Renaissance... scuse my French) the word Economic derives from the Ancient Greek, Oikos (home) nomos (management, order, law).
Scruton spoke of oikophilia, he also had some very shrewd, related, anthropological insight into sexual mores (which I may comment on separately)... also, in his Master And His Emissary, spoke of a ‘Saussurian denial’, I quote:
“And why do I emphasise this bodily origin of thought and language? Partly because it has been denied in our own age, not by any means only, or even mainly, by de Saussure and his followers. More than that, the fact of its denial seems to me to form part of a general trend, throughout the last hundred years or so, towards the ever greater repudiation of our embodied being, in favour of an abstracted, cerebralised, machine-like version of ourselves that has taken hold on popular thinking”
And of “skeletons in the closet”, as if it’s some kind of peculiar phenomenon. This is where I somewhat ironically, mischievously, claim to be no advocate of ‘free speech’, or should I say emancipated speech? Really, we’re talking about the rejection of God, particularly as pertains to sexual mores, as pertains to Jane Austin’s patriarchy; did Willoughby represent the patriarchy? What about George Wickham? Henry Crawford? No... the purpose of patriarchy was to make such men accountable. What about Mr Bennett? Now we’re getting a little closer... but he failed in his patriarchal duty when, for example, Elizabeth implored him to reign in Lydia’s wilful frivolity. Of course he was a little too interested in his library... and scandal ensued. What about Mr Knightly: “Badly done Emma! Badly done indeed!” There it is, right there... the patriarchy.
That’s what we have rejected and girls gone wild... consequently words bear the ‘stench’ of morality... the anomie... a-nomos...
Don’t blame capitalism, blame QE, (Quantitative Expropriation), blame Mitch McConnell for refusing to heed MAGA and giving the green light to incomprehensible levels of money printing. Blame the rejection of home... think about the expression ‘the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach’ I.e being a home (oikos) maker, not a seductress.
Im not compliant to the insanity of today. The one sentence argumenters rule the world.
Isn’t dividing it into left and right all left hemisphere abstraction and categorization. Ian’s work is like the confession of a serial killer in the process of a murder.
Yes, the books have tons of detail, excessive at times for me, as I get the gist (the right brain can understand the gestalt-big picture).
He's trying to explain it to people who are primarily left hemisphere dominated in this society.
@@skynet4496 the method of analysis is literally exactly what he’s complaining about. It’s a really funny performative contradiction no one seems to notice.
@@Aquaticphilosophiayes, I have to skim some sections where he goes on and on... Same when Charles goes on and on lol, they're probably left brained and suss over details. But sometimes I see Iain gets a little bored with Charles's word salad lol. He prefers the word of great writers.
BTW others have pointed out this about Iain's books, but the main gist of his books is very important and key to understand why society is in this mess.
@@skynet4496 my method of analysis is way more effective and the conceptual line is between the totality of the metabolic activity of the body and the water containing the activity, not left and right brain. Its body/breath vs water, not left and right brain. Really dumb division in my opinion.
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You didnt save the chat...guess not on utube?
49.30 "animacy is the norm in the cosmos". we have a great need to bring this directly to the inclusive nature of our participation, and yet we lack a word for it. whilst we recognise the dynamics between earth, air, fire and water - mildly upgraded to lithosphere, atmosphere, biosphere and hydrosphere - in planetary homeostasis, we have yet to include "psychosphere", that is, the internal processing - animacy - of all things. locally (earth) human psyche seeks to bully and exploit these processes, but in fact the feedback is apparent in all the fields, and impacts us, embodied psyche, in so many ways.
Auto-gaslighting is an intrinsic component of the dominant system. And it needs to be outed.
"nothing is necessarily wrong" - I suspect that everything is arising from or responding to a particular level of animacy seeking to communicate through the basic common sentience in which we and the other-than-human are all participant...
As a beekeeper who communicates with the more evolved and biologically intelligent consciousness of the over-lighting spirit of the Hive I agree with your perspective.
'Iain' Can that be fixed?
If there's a speciation event it's between Homo Sapiens Sapiens and Homo Sapiens Narrens
How does the panel suggest avoiding intergenerational Ontological insecurity in favour of ontological reality...im concerned that the paradoxes of his/her story are patterned unconsiously and consciousness is in entrophy for most people unless the unconsious addictive thoughts trying to maintain homeostasis are shown as adding to the polarities of the attractor ideologies....but the issue is that the 'powers' causing the issues are seen as protective like existing systems...then again traumatised folks with learned helplessness will choose the sick system over new...ie neophobia keeps the bottom feeders supporting the elevated...openness is the greatest solvent(Bohmian Dialogue)...
Our brains are labyrinth. We weave our way and overthink everything.
What would it be like to not have a brain.
Hmmm 🤔
These are my thoughts in the first few minutes.
This is going to be good. Now back to the video!
Perhaps see Ian's tale of the cat which had it's neocortex removed.
Apparently it made very little difference to it's functioning/behaviour.
Not sure what the result would be in a human , though.😂
Heck ya men.
welcome to woo woo in intellectual language
Fulfilment of the nerds dream. Have you seen Bill Gates cheerfully discussing what he calls “Germ Games”?
Actually the world has NOT gone crazy .. Is too many people, mauled under a horrible centralized rule. That too packed inside
a very impoverished ecosystem. Hence, our collective Overshoot is leading to collapse. As always it does with any species.
My cat😢 died
Boo boo boo boo
Jerk