I've kept warm in the winters by drinking scotch in wee drams throughout the cold days and nights. Never occurred to me to use Scotch wood chips as well. Never too old to learn!
How much does everything cost? The equipment, installation, maintenance, ongoing feedstock costs etc., compared to using electricity and gas/oil? If it made sense 5 years ago it’s going to look fantastic in July 2022 with wholesale gas prices going up by a factor of 10 in the last year.
$268,000 euro for the 50 KW apparently from there Facebook post I painfully translated it was a picture with words in german , massive word means price or annual , almost fun like bondage .
If this technology could be scaled down and simplified it could and would make long term sense in every residential home in the world and thus taking away the power and control from all utility companies and their corruption, at least in the USA. Why isn't this technology mainstream, complacency?
Dear Mr. Flinn, thank you very much for your comment. Spanner Re² continues to develop its technology, which has been known for decades. We work closely together with our customers, always with a view to the future, with the goal of sustainable electricity and heat generation from wood. We produce different plant sizes for different applications. For example, our smallest plant has an electrical output of 9kW. You can find out more about our plants on our website: www.holz-kraft.com/en/
Public power is usually cheaper in most places in the USA compared to buying and operating a generator fueled by biomass. I'm sure that there are exceptions like Hawaii and some places in California. The equipment is not simple nor inexpensive. Solar power is both simple and relatively inexpensive - albeit available only 3-8 hours a day depending on weather, location and season. One of the main biogasses in pyrolysis in carbon monoxide, so it has to be handled with great care and can never be used inside of a residential dwelling. This would be a nice compliment to solar in an off-grid location.
@@omaha42000 - The technology is simple and its inexpensive! The technology was used in the early 1900's in vehicles to save valuable fuel, there is not a lot of power from biofuel that is why today people use Dodge Dakota's with V8 engines and Dodge Rams with V10's. A 12kw generator is $1000 from any store, you could probably find a 20kw generator for $1800-$2000. Building the gasifier is easy to do, you'd need a welder and some simple fabrication skills. You can view many video's on how to build one on UA-cam. The key to success is controlling the fire, and the air/fuel mixture. Like the automobiles, when specifying a generator to run on biofuel/woodgas you need to over power the generator. If you want 12kw, then get a 18kw generator. Hooking up the unit to your home would require a licensed electrician and a main switch. But I am sure there are easier ways to hook up selected appliances, like the heaters, stove, a/c, electric water heater, electric furnace, microwave and anything else that uses huge amounts of power. The question becomes, is $2000 worth the effort in switching your home. All utility companies have base fees you have to pay no matter if your bill is zero or $300/m. In cold climates it is well worth it, especially if you heat the garage, or have a hot tube. I am seriously looking into converting my home, but I will look a the holz-kraft website and see how much it costs, then look at my power requirements.
one issue is wood availability. if you live in the country where there is lots of land clearing and even have space to grow your own timber, then its a great idea. if you live in the city, you will be tied to retail sources of wood chips/pellets, which will quickly start to get expensive as more people adopt the tech. This kind of thing is best as a backup for consumers, or primary source for a farm, saw mill, etc. Ive been through a couple hurricanes, and gasoline quickly becomes an issue to run generators. when the powers out, you cant pump fuel at the station even if the tanks are full. I am building my own small gasifier set up for this reason. Great backup power in the event of a storm that knocks out utilities for a few weeks. I dont intend to use it all the time, or even tie it in to my homes power grid.
Build one in a truck and have the option to fuel an engine other then the truck. I can pull a pipe of clean woodgas off my truck to power small motors like the generator that powers the house in a grid down situation. Primary fuel is pallet wood which seems easy to get anywhere you go, gets me to work every day
Working within the restrictions was a notable part of the podcast. I would engineer a way out of the restrictions...I recommend northern U.S. and Canada..play their game, live modestly (I would consider Russia also......perhaps areas of South America (not fail safe...but faith in God is the best alternative)!
Yes that does not make sense as farmers have used windmills for pumping forever and in the USA I know before the Rural Electrification program brought mains everywhere they made electricity with windmills. Perhaps a private company put the windmill up and taking all the current was part of the deal Not a government restriction?
Either he doesn't own the wind turbine and is renting out the land it sits on or he bought the turbine with some kind of subsidy scheme that only allows him to sell power back to the grid.
And there's another thing! What I cannot understand among all these wood gas enthusiasts is why nobody has tried turning the stuff into gasoline! Its actually not that difficult. The Fischer - Tropsch process need a pressure of around 5 atmospheres (car tyre pressure plus a bit), and a temperature of 300 degrees centigrade. As feedstock it needs carbon monoxide which is what woodgas is mostly composed of. Discuss please
When Fischer Tropsch requires high purity/concentration of CO and H2 gas, these gasifiers produce about 40% concentrated gas(known as producer gas not Synthetic gas that FT requires). To produce gas good for FT to petrol the gasifer reactor must not use atmospheric air that has 70something percent nitrogen, but some pure gasification agent like steam or oxygen only. I'm nt sure what would be other effects(on FT catalysts) of impurities in the producer gas but obviously petrol yield will be significantly low. So I think it is not economically justifiable to produce petrol via FT using gas from these gasifiers.
Tires and plastics work well. They were made with petrol. You also need a distillation setup this is more like a cooling and tar filter. Could possibly collect the tar and make diesel from that, but the wood chips alone wouldn't do it.
@@alastorclark3492 I say they would with the right equipment. The Fischer-Tropsch process (which Germany used in WW2) can accept a variety of feedstocks including Carbon Monoxide and Hydrogen which is what woodgas is predominantly. The organic chemistry for maniulating these various fuel compounds is well known and often just depends on sufficient energy input.
@@lailacobbaert9670 So 20lbs/hr of woodchips. I wonder if he ramps up or down and if the setup is turned on only during working hours. Thats quite a large amount of woodchips. I do wonder how much all that costs. A ton or so of woodchips a week, which he mentioned he also has to dry.
Hello Ace Baker, more information about us and our product can be found on our website or send us a request via our contact form. Your Spanner Re² Team Website: www.holz-kraft.com/en/ Contact form: www.holz-kraft.com/en/contact/contact-re2.html
They say it pays for itself in a year so lets assume $0.33 USD per KWH ( price of power in Germany ) 50*$.33= $16.5 per h * 24* 365= $144,540 . My guess $100k but its only a guess
I notice all his challenges that he faced with the local power companies monopoly. Good job persevering and making it happen..
I've kept warm in the winters by drinking scotch in wee drams throughout the cold days and nights. Never occurred to me to use Scotch wood chips as well. Never too old to learn!
How much does everything cost? The equipment, installation, maintenance, ongoing feedstock costs etc., compared to using electricity and gas/oil? If it made sense 5 years ago it’s going to look fantastic in July 2022 with wholesale gas prices going up by a factor of 10 in the last year.
$268,000 euro for the 50 KW apparently from there Facebook post I painfully translated it was a picture with words in german , massive word means price or annual , almost fun like bondage .
If this technology could be scaled down and simplified it could and would make long term sense in every residential home in the world and thus taking away the power and control from all utility companies and their corruption, at least in the USA. Why isn't this technology mainstream, complacency?
Dear Mr. Flinn, thank you very much for your comment. Spanner Re² continues to develop its technology, which has been known for decades. We work closely together with our customers, always with a view to the future, with the goal of sustainable electricity and heat generation from wood. We produce different plant sizes for different applications. For example, our smallest plant has an electrical output of 9kW. You can find out more about our plants on our website: www.holz-kraft.com/en/
Public power is usually cheaper in most places in the USA compared to buying and operating a generator fueled by biomass. I'm sure that there are exceptions like Hawaii and some places in California. The equipment is not simple nor inexpensive. Solar power is both simple and relatively inexpensive - albeit available only 3-8 hours a day depending on weather, location and season. One of the main biogasses in pyrolysis in carbon monoxide, so it has to be handled with great care and can never be used inside of a residential dwelling. This would be a nice compliment to solar in an off-grid location.
@@omaha42000 - The technology is simple and its inexpensive! The technology was used in the early 1900's in vehicles to save valuable fuel, there is not a lot of power from biofuel that is why today people use Dodge Dakota's with V8 engines and Dodge Rams with V10's. A 12kw generator is $1000 from any store, you could probably find a 20kw generator for $1800-$2000. Building the gasifier is easy to do, you'd need a welder and some simple fabrication skills. You can view many video's on how to build one on UA-cam. The key to success is controlling the fire, and the air/fuel mixture. Like the automobiles, when specifying a generator to run on biofuel/woodgas you need to over power the generator. If you want 12kw, then get a 18kw generator. Hooking up the unit to your home would require a licensed electrician and a main switch. But I am sure there are easier ways to hook up selected appliances, like the heaters, stove, a/c, electric water heater, electric furnace, microwave and anything else that uses huge amounts of power. The question becomes, is $2000 worth the effort in switching your home. All utility companies have base fees you have to pay no matter if your bill is zero or $300/m. In cold climates it is well worth it, especially if you heat the garage, or have a hot tube. I am seriously looking into converting my home, but I will look a the holz-kraft website and see how much it costs, then look at my power requirements.
one issue is wood availability. if you live in the country where there is lots of land clearing and even have space to grow your own timber, then its a great idea. if you live in the city, you will be tied to retail sources of wood chips/pellets, which will quickly start to get expensive as more people adopt the tech.
This kind of thing is best as a backup for consumers, or primary source for a farm, saw mill, etc.
Ive been through a couple hurricanes, and gasoline quickly becomes an issue to run generators. when the powers out, you cant pump fuel at the station even if the tanks are full. I am building my own small gasifier set up for this reason. Great backup power in the event of a storm that knocks out utilities for a few weeks. I dont intend to use it all the time, or even tie it in to my homes power grid.
Build one in a truck and have the option to fuel an engine other then the truck. I can pull a pipe of clean woodgas off my truck to power small motors like the generator that powers the house in a grid down situation. Primary fuel is pallet wood which seems easy to get anywhere you go, gets me to work every day
Deeply upset I didn't find out what motor he is powering to run electric gen
any carborated engine that has an output that suits your needs will work
8 L petrol of some sort
Working within the restrictions was a notable part of the podcast. I would engineer a way out of the restrictions...I recommend northern U.S. and Canada..play their game, live modestly (I would consider Russia also......perhaps areas of South America (not fail safe...but faith in God is the best alternative)!
An I hearing correctly, your allowed a wind turbine but your Not allowed to use the power it produces .. what insanity is that. ??
Yes that does not make sense as farmers have used windmills for pumping forever and in the USA I know before the Rural Electrification program brought mains everywhere they made electricity with windmills.
Perhaps a private company put the windmill up and taking all the current was part of the deal
Not a government restriction?
Either he doesn't own the wind turbine and is renting out the land it sits on or he bought the turbine with some kind of subsidy scheme that only allows him to sell power back to the grid.
And there's another thing! What I cannot understand among all these wood gas enthusiasts is why nobody has tried turning the stuff into gasoline! Its actually not that difficult. The Fischer - Tropsch process need a pressure of around 5 atmospheres (car tyre pressure plus a bit), and a temperature of 300 degrees centigrade. As feedstock it needs carbon monoxide which is what woodgas is mostly composed of. Discuss please
When Fischer Tropsch requires high purity/concentration of CO and H2 gas, these gasifiers produce about 40% concentrated gas(known as producer gas not Synthetic gas that FT requires). To produce gas good for FT to petrol the gasifer reactor must not use atmospheric air that has 70something percent nitrogen, but some pure gasification agent like steam or oxygen only. I'm nt sure what would be other effects(on FT catalysts) of impurities in the producer gas but obviously petrol yield will be significantly low. So I think it is not economically justifiable to produce petrol via FT using gas from these gasifiers.
Tires and plastics work well. They were made with petrol. You also need a distillation setup this is more like a cooling and tar filter. Could possibly collect the tar and make diesel from that, but the wood chips alone wouldn't do it.
@@alastorclark3492 I say they would with the right equipment. The Fischer-Tropsch process (which Germany used in WW2) can accept a variety of feedstocks including Carbon Monoxide and Hydrogen which is what woodgas is predominantly. The organic chemistry for maniulating these various fuel compounds is well known and often just depends on sufficient energy input.
hi very nice system ! how many kg per hour of wood chip is used to produce the 50kw ?
About 0,9kg/kWh, for 50kWh, it’s 45kg of woodchips
@@lailacobbaert9670 So 20lbs/hr of woodchips. I wonder if he ramps up or down and if the setup is turned on only during working hours. Thats quite a large amount of woodchips. I do wonder how much all that costs. A ton or so of woodchips a week, which he mentioned he also has to dry.
excellent
I'd love to talk to you about this system. I have a great interest in doing similar
Hello Ace Baker, more information about us and our product can be found on our website or send us a request via our contact form.
Your Spanner Re² Team
Website: www.holz-kraft.com/en/
Contact form: www.holz-kraft.com/en/contact/contact-re2.html
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They say it pays for itself in a year so lets assume $0.33 USD per KWH ( price of power in Germany ) 50*$.33= $16.5 per h * 24* 365= $144,540 . My guess $100k but its only a guess
about $250,000 Euro apparently for the 50 KW unit !
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