Initially, I did, but as shots were taken, the trebuchet seems lacking in tuning. More weight in the basket? The bowman is truly impressive. One with his weapon.
In the year 1210 18000 Danish troops where anhilated by a much smaller Swedish force with 1000 of hidden longbows colored the sky black with arrows at the battle of gestilren Sweden.
@@mattymc6802 yeah and they would be skinny 😅 they were probably better archers in the past ( in general ofcourse, here comes laaaaars! 🙄 ). But longbowmen? Would be hard probably to keep that musclemass and get all those hours of training in.
@@mattymc6802 Wat? It was law they had to keep a longbow and train between 15 and 60 years old.... Joe is great, but there will have been a LOT of good archers back then.
@@BobT36 life expectancy was about 30 so i don't know how anyone would have been using the bow as long as he has considering he's 36 now. Maybe if they were nobles or royalty. I'm not an expert but the historians here considered it to be an unbelievable once in a lifetime shot and Joe just thought it was a good shot and not one of his best
The only problem is that being the king he had the best armor on the field and that 140 pound longbow arrow at that range would have simply pounced off . Great effort by the archer but fruitless
@@buckingsawpalace3029 Henry should have kept his visor down .Even with the best equipment it is useless if you don`t follow the rules But to be honest Henry was only 16 at that time and at that age you make mistakes .Also it helps that you have a good barber surgeon on staff
Joe hitting the king first shot? Incredible. Joe casually saying the expected to be able to do it in 5 shots as standard at 140m away in wind? Mind boggling.
The king is dead long live the (longbow) king. What a shot taking out a king is an instant win in Medieval warfare, He could have won a war and a kingdom with a single arrow. Imagine thousands of battle tested Joe's shooting at you, arrow volley's must have been terrifying.
Last weekend my son went to an event where the organizers brought out a few trebuchet catapults to launch some pumpkins. It was one of the best things I can recall doing in a long time, hilarious amount of fun. I have a small 1/10 scale trebuchet, good for launching apples but I need to repair it but I have to get some material to fix it and get it up and running again. They're an awesome thing to have and get to use.
In some medieval art you can see the armies carrying royal house banners and flags. I'm sure this was done partly for pride, partly to identify the units to the commanders making decisions and all that. But I wonder if the flags and banners also served as a wind gauge for anyone using missile weapons.
Astonishing shot with a 10st draw on a longbow. If Joe had got an Earl or Baron or such early on, and survived the day, there'd've been beer or cider after.. 🌟🌟🌟🌟👍
I think the yellow ball fell short of the designated target because of the cracks riddled throughout the ball. When it is flying through the air, the cracks are actually creating drag allowing the wind resistance to act against the balls flight trajectory. The second shot was said to have weighed in similiar size, albeit plus or minus a few kilos and it flew significantly further.
Arent bowling balls weirdly weighted? That seems like it might be part of the innacuracy. I think there was something about their mass being deliberately off center
How epic would it have been if the arrow had gone through the targets eye? Would have made the Harold legend that little bit more plausible, and that was already a great shot
It can be assumed archers train with a heavier bow so the lighter one can be efficiently used like throwing extra heavy javalins or training with weighted wood swords both used by the romans
Think trebuchet as an assault weapon and longbow as anti personnel. You wouldn't expect the trebuchet to attack the king any more than you'd expect the longbow to knock walls do own. Bit of a silly comparison as I've come to expect of Tod's workshop. It's all about clicks lately
A great video folks, it really is amazing what can be achieved with a long bow and a trebuchet both with different purposes so well done to both teams. That long bow shot was amazing though. It really incredible what could be done in the days before electricity where the individual along with the mechanical engineering made a difference. Many thanks for sharing.
Jesus F Christ... that shot - actually all of his shots - to get them within shouting distance of target at that range... and he'd be able to shoot about 60 arrows for every one shot from the trebuchet. He would absolutely have hit all of those guys. This is practical archaeology at its best. You learn so much from that one shot. One of the things that was mentioned in Tod's longbow vs armour video was that archers would wait until the enemy were right on top of them and would be shooting more or less flat trajectories. Arrows were expensive and time consuming to make, and you didn't want to waste them on long range shooting where the chances of penetrating armour were low. BUT looking at how accurate Joe was I reckon they surely must have loosed a couple of volleys off at long range just on the off chance that a few arrows would penetrate a weak spot - hit someone in the eye etc... 2 volleys from 5000 archers - 10,000 chances - if you even had only a 1% hit rate that would be 100 people out of action. They should have Joe shoot 100 times to get his percentage hit rate at that range.
A medieval Longbow archer could fire 12 arrows per minute and with that type of accuracy (he hit his target within 5 shots), and imagine thousands of archers on the battlefield. You can see why, for example King Henry V, stacked his armies with 80% longbow men.
very brave to park a car that close to a trebuchet.... At the medieval centre in Nykøbing F, in southern Denmark, they have a trebuchet that's a bit bigger than this one, and very impressive indeed. They're currently building a new one - a Blide as they're called here - which is more or less full size and has two man-mills (hamsterwheels) for the winch. It'll be inaugurated on St Hans Eve 2023 - that's the Danish midsummer celebration on 23 June for those unfamiliar with our customs
Imagine it, lining up for battle with all your fancy French tosser comrades, and some scraggy English archer takes a random potshot and takes your King's ear off right at the start. MASSIVE detriment to morale even if it didn't kill him. That would have straight-up turned the tide of the battle, a single well trained longbowman. And the English mandated ALL men between 15 & 60 had to keep & train with a Longbow..
Imagine you're one of the king's bodyguards. Your castle starts come under siege and you accompany the king to watch the combat from a safe distance, and an arrow just takes his head off in the first 5 minutes of combat.
I know this is a year old now and im late to the comments but when i built one for a technology project many moons ago i found that the angle of the pin on the end of the trebuchet arm needed to be bent at an angle rather than having the straight one used here to get the most efficient trajectory. I did a whole range analysis with 5 different angles but cant remember the results now as was over 20 years ago. Just some info in case people are interested
You Brits are a bit strange, but without a doubt, you know how to have fun. Congrats to Team Longbow!!! King Henry V would be proud! "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; ... "
So very well demonstrated guys, loved this, well done to Joe for his superb headshot! Could adding a little more weight to the trebs weight box have helped to send the ball further maybe. Great video, so enjoyable and to all who set up the treb as well. Great day.
Honestly the wildest thing to me was the way the arrow had used literally all of its power getting through the king, and it just kinda dropped dead on the other end
When I the thumbnail for this I wondered if it was Tod and Joe. Sure enough. How many medieval trebuchets can there be, especially owned by someone as enthusiastic about using it as Tod.
18:00 - welcome to artillery, mate. U.S. Army Artillery (emeritus) You guys are too much fun - reminds me of old days at the target range on Saturday afternoons.
The bowman should have been allowed to loose as many arrows as he could fire, in the time that it took the trebuchet to fire its allotment of rounds. To be even more fair, maybe both weapons to fire at will until the defenders were no more. Scores to be totalled after the 'victory'. (Please, no wailing about a shortage of projectiles. You can't play at war...) 😃
Base on these two, I’d imagine in medieval times, the trebuchet crew would be loud beer-drinking jovial and jolly makers at any pub. Longbow men would be the cool, silent type leaning at the bar enjoying scotch alone.
FIVE shots each?!?! That's ridiculously few. Neither weapon is generally meant for accurate targeted fire. And considering that Tod still haven't managed to work out the details with aiming a trebuchet, while the longbow is a well established weapon, kinda, VERY unfair contest. But at least he got a chance to play around with his treb a bit more. Never a bad thing.
I am sure the mediaeval French would have had a saying like "Stay out of the English bowman's sight" now you know why. They could take your head at over 100 meters, while you peeking over a wall.
Hats off to the longbow archer plus in the time taken by the trebuchet an awful lot of arrows could have been shot.Polishing a cricket ball affects what it does greatly over a distance of 22yds so its hardly surprising that a bowling ball with visible cracks in it was unpredictable over the much longer distance here.
Apples, oranges. The trebuchet is designed to knock down stone walls to allow storming the fort. The longbow is designed to target and kill or incapacitate enemy targets, but it would almost never be one archer, it would be a whole company of them - a few dozen archers like Joe Gibbs would've rained hell on enemy (rows of different archers shooting different trajectories have arrows coming straight, but raining down from above). Two effective tools, used for different purposes.
I have seen both yours and Tod's videos, I would say that there was plenty of history seen. Of the practical science variety. I for one, when I was growing up, thought of the trebuchet as much more of an accurate weapon. Thanks Hollywood. But watching Tod's videos, I learned that some level of accuracy can be achieved, it's more of an accuracy of +/- 4 meters or so. As Tod indicates, there are a lot of variables when the trebuchet is loosed on every shot that will change. Joe's archer is more of a finesse weapon, where the accuracy seems to be in the order or +/- a yard at those distances. I have seen cannon fire go through the sides of simulated ships that would have caused massive damage and death to those behind the defenses. Trebuchets are designed to take down walls, not snipe solders. Though some hits could take out dozens of soldiers with a lucky hit. Bows are designed to take down one man at a time. Overall, fun and I learned something, cleared up some myths, and was mightily entertained. Since I had seen Tod's trebuchet videos in the past, I knew it would miss such a tiny targeting area.
Hmm, I'm not sure Todd's reasoning of using a lighter ball to go further is necessarily sound. Yes it will have a higher initial velocity which would help greatly in a vacuum but it will also be slowed by air resistance at a faster rate. There will be instances where a heavier projectile will be able to travel further, to a point, until it gets so heavy the very low initial velocity more than offsets the counter to air resistance.
OO, YAAA. Of course they are engineers, maybe a few doctors as well. I always thought these people would be the least capable, but the bow was a lot stronger than I thought it would have been. This was a very long away over 300 feet at least and that big ass arrow was screeming very true and strait. Incredible, the power this thing had. And the first shot on to of it all.
There are trebuches still "intact". I at least know of one in the church of Strasbourg. This one is from the late Middle Ages. It's not usable at the moment but still standing.
Unless your trebuchet has greased slides or wheels, your range is reduced by at least one quarter and up to one third, depending on the length of the arm and the mass of the counterweight. If you use the slides, you will see that the Trebuchet when released, slides backwards as the counterweight begins its descent, then rushes forwards as the arm reaches its maximum vertical release. This extra impetus at the maximum accelerated speed of the counterweight, translates into distance and velocity. it is, to put in bluntly, bloody impressive. . There is an ideal projectile weight for each trebuchet, providing maximum impact energy on the formula half the weight of the projectile times its velocity squared. The greased slide increases the velocity of the projectile, usually a stone, hence the advantage. The Arabs who invented these adaptations of their hand staffed hand-slings would discover the ideal weight for each siege engine by trial and error, then weigh all of the projectiles accordingly to get consistency of aim and area of impact. Give the greasy slides or wheels in ruts a try--you will be amazed, and it is much easier on the Trebuchet itself.
I may have missed it, but what was the reasoning for the 2 sides having the same number of shots over the same time for shots? Surely the advantage of a bow is how fast one can get arros down range.
I would think that a trebuchet 10 stories tall, the weight of the projectile being swung around like that, would pull the trebuchet apart after a few rounds. Also, the base of it would have to be SOOOOO wide to stop it from falling over every time
It wouldn't surprise me at all. I've seen large Roman ballista balls that the romans appear to have hewn into fairly true spherical shape. I can only guess that they too wanted to eliminate variables as much as possible for more accurate shooting.
A very fun competition. Though, the longbow shot was likely more luck than skill. Definitely a very skilled bowman. But, the grouping is just too wide to be intentional. I'd imagine that's why Joe was not as excited as the rest.
Nice shot by Joe hitting the King on his first shot, but the arrow likely would have glanced off the helm and not caused any damage...hardly a killing or incapacitating shot. The trebuchet, as was stated early on, wasn't designed for pin point shooting, but more of area effect weakening of walls. I don't think it was fair to select balls of varying weights. Joe used the same weighted arrows and arrowheads for each shot. Plus, a rolling ball isn't going to do any damage as it didn't hit the target directly, so by hitting the ground and rolling, loses much of its energy.
Your right that`s no War Wolf which is the one that Edward I built to lay siege to Stirling castle And really comparing longbows to siege engines is like comparing apples to oranges .When your firing at something as large as a castle you really don`t need to be accurate like the old saying close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades well that`s what a Trebuchet is the 12 century version of artillery not used to kill individuals but to destroy fortifications . On the other hand shooting arrows you really need accuracy a miss is as good as a mile
I wonder why they didn't just add weight to the counterweight to increase the range. Surely in the middle ages they would have a few stout serfs standing by for that. OK Brian, your turn, jump on.
There's an older video on Tod's channel where he reduces the weight to suit the projectiles being used. What happens is the extra energy is not transferred to the projectile but stays in the trebuchet and results in alarming swinging of the basket and dangerous stresses in the frame.
Hope you enjoyed guys! Be honest, who thought the trebuchet had a chance of winning this competition? 🤔
Initially, I did, but as shots were taken, the trebuchet seems lacking in tuning. More weight in the basket? The bowman is truly impressive. One with his weapon.
Maybe if it went up against anyone other than Joe Gibbs, he is just an absolute machine.
It just needed a few hundred more targets
Didn't take you guys long to go reality TV
Please could you tell me what was the distance to the target?
Great to see the trebuchet and longbow at work.
That first bow shot was incredible. Imagine 100 archers of equal skill firing. Easy to see why the long bow was a game changer.
In the year 1210 18000 Danish troops where anhilated by a much smaller Swedish force with 1000 of hidden longbows colored the sky black with arrows at the battle of gestilren Sweden.
@@martinnilsson5295 wow seriously 😵💫
That longbowshot was impressive.
Like knighthood and a castle kind of impressive.
him hitting the king at that range is insane. Every medieval longbowman's dream.
Joe would not have been alone in a real medieval battle.
Very few medieval archers would have 20 years experience with the bow, Joe would be a commanders dream
@@mattymc6802 yeah and they would be skinny 😅 they were probably better archers in the past ( in general ofcourse, here comes laaaaars! 🙄 ). But longbowmen? Would be hard probably to keep that musclemass and get all those hours of training in.
@@mattymc6802 Wat? It was law they had to keep a longbow and train between 15 and 60 years old....
Joe is great, but there will have been a LOT of good archers back then.
@@BobT36 life expectancy was about 30 so i don't know how anyone would have been using the bow as long as he has considering he's 36 now. Maybe if they were nobles or royalty. I'm not an expert but the historians here considered it to be an unbelievable once in a lifetime shot and Joe just thought it was a good shot and not one of his best
Joe is a treasure. Astounding.
History Hit’s version of “blowin’ sh*t up!” Never fails to deliver.
Glad to see Tod finally hit something with his trebuchet! He's having too much fun playing with that thing.
Maybe he should use caravans as targets...
The only problem is that being the king he had the best armor on the field and that 140 pound longbow arrow at that range would have simply pounced off . Great effort by the archer but fruitless
@@kurtnulf3362 Wonder what Henry V could tell us about Arrows and Kings! ;)
@@buckingsawpalace3029 Henry should have kept his visor down .Even with the best equipment it is useless if you don`t follow the rules But to be honest Henry was only 16 at that time and at that age you make mistakes .Also it helps that you have a good barber surgeon on staff
Now, I need to know : If that wasn't Joe's best shot, what in the hell, was?
I have seen Joe before on Tod's workshop. He was using a bow with a 200lb draw absolutely brilliant.
25:58 - "What could go wrong?"
26:00 - "Everything" I LOVE THAT LINE! And I hope I now remember to say that in all future endeavors
Joe hitting the king first shot? Incredible.
Joe casually saying the expected to be able to do it in 5 shots as standard at 140m away in wind? Mind boggling.
Really loved it- thanks for that! And congrats to Joe for that spectactular shot!
The king is dead long live the (longbow) king. What a shot taking out a king is an instant win in Medieval warfare, He could have won a war and a kingdom with a single arrow. Imagine thousands of battle tested Joe's shooting at you, arrow volley's must have been terrifying.
I could watch Joe and Todd all day, just brilliant guys all the way.
Seeing Joe fire that longbow, it's clear to see why the recovered skeletons of Henry V's archers show varying degrees of deformed spines.
I didn't see him fire the longbow, I did see him shoot it.
@@gerry343 what a stupid remark 😅 who cares
@@timmysvensson4902 I do.
@@gerry343 So what did the medieval Archer say when he fired his bow Gerry?
sheten!
skeutanan?!
Where did the treebranch shoot out?
@@timmysvensson4902 None of the people in the video are medieval, neither are those who are watching.
Last weekend my son went to an event where the organizers brought out a few trebuchet catapults to launch some pumpkins. It was one of the best things I can recall doing in a long time, hilarious amount of fun. I have a small 1/10 scale trebuchet, good for launching apples but I need to repair it but I have to get some material to fix it and get it up and running again. They're an awesome thing to have and get to use.
Imagine seeing you here
In some medieval art you can see the armies carrying royal house banners and flags. I'm sure this was done partly for pride, partly to identify the units to the commanders making decisions and all that. But I wonder if the flags and banners also served as a wind gauge for anyone using missile weapons.
Astonishing shot with a 10st draw on a longbow. If Joe had got an Earl or Baron or such early on, and survived the day, there'd've been beer or cider after.. 🌟🌟🌟🌟👍
I think the yellow ball fell short of the designated target because of the cracks riddled throughout the ball. When it is flying through the air, the cracks are actually creating drag allowing the wind resistance to act against the balls flight trajectory. The second shot was said to have weighed in similiar size, albeit plus or minus a few kilos and it flew significantly further.
12:48 Talk about humble. I think with that face, Joe knew. Well done!✌
Great challenge! Love this channel
Arent bowling balls weirdly weighted? That seems like it might be part of the innacuracy. I think there was something about their mass being deliberately off center
Indoor bowls are not round, so the weight definitely isn't even . But I think ten pin bowling balls are evenly weighted. But I could be wrong
@@FinkNZRat Indoor bowls are round lmao, you cant bowl if its not round xD but they contain hidden weights that affect their balance and rotation.
Much impressed by that longbowman!
How epic would it have been if the arrow had gone through the targets eye? Would have made the Harold legend that little bit more plausible, and that was already a great shot
Wounded in the eye and then hacked down by Norman knights
Been following these guys for years (Even bought a bow from Joe and a dagger from Tod) and now I will start following you. Glad I found this channel 🙂
140 pounds is far from his heaviest bow as well. Lighter weight, so easier on the accuracy, but he often shoots a heavier bow.
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I remember he says he can shoot 160 bow all day. For 200 bow, he said the most 5-6 arrows. He is really a beast.
It can be assumed archers train with a heavier bow so the lighter one can be efficiently used like throwing extra heavy javalins or training with weighted wood swords both used by the romans
I like this. This shows the reality and complexity of shooting, either by trebuchet or longbow. Brilliant guys.
Think trebuchet as an assault weapon and longbow as anti personnel. You wouldn't expect the trebuchet to attack the king any more than you'd expect the longbow to knock walls do own.
Bit of a silly comparison as I've come to expect of Tod's workshop. It's all about clicks lately
Trebuchet for the masses, bow and arrow for the classes.
A great video folks, it really is amazing what can be achieved with a long bow and a trebuchet both with different purposes so well done to both teams. That long bow shot was amazing though. It really incredible what could be done in the days before electricity where the individual along with the mechanical engineering made a difference. Many thanks for sharing.
Jesus F Christ... that shot - actually all of his shots - to get them within shouting distance of target at that range... and he'd be able to shoot about 60 arrows for every one shot from the trebuchet. He would absolutely have hit all of those guys. This is practical archaeology at its best. You learn so much from that one shot.
One of the things that was mentioned in Tod's longbow vs armour video was that archers would wait until the enemy were right on top of them and would be shooting more or less flat trajectories. Arrows were expensive and time consuming to make, and you didn't want to waste them on long range shooting where the chances of penetrating armour were low. BUT looking at how accurate Joe was I reckon they surely must have loosed a couple of volleys off at long range just on the off chance that a few arrows would penetrate a weak spot - hit someone in the eye etc... 2 volleys from 5000 archers - 10,000 chances - if you even had only a 1% hit rate that would be 100 people out of action. They should have Joe shoot 100 times to get his percentage hit rate at that range.
Very good video. Crazy power in that longbow. Trebuchet needs to be tested on a bigger target.
Have you considered buying some atlas stones to see how a real actual heavy stone projectile functions?
A medieval Longbow archer could fire 12 arrows per minute and with that type of accuracy (he hit his target within 5 shots), and imagine thousands of archers on the battlefield. You can see why, for example King Henry V, stacked his armies with 80% longbow men.
Battle of Crecy, 2k French dead, just 50 British lost, lol..
very brave to park a car that close to a trebuchet.... At the medieval centre in Nykøbing F, in southern Denmark, they have a trebuchet that's a bit bigger than this one, and very impressive indeed. They're currently building a new one - a Blide as they're called here - which is more or less full size and has two man-mills (hamsterwheels) for the winch. It'll be inaugurated on St Hans Eve 2023 - that's the Danish midsummer celebration on 23 June for those unfamiliar with our customs
Did it get built?
Imagine it, lining up for battle with all your fancy French tosser comrades, and some scraggy English archer takes a random potshot and takes your King's ear off right at the start. MASSIVE detriment to morale even if it didn't kill him.
That would have straight-up turned the tide of the battle, a single well trained longbowman. And the English mandated ALL men between 15 & 60 had to keep & train with a Longbow..
The king doing his best Harold Godwinson impression.
Imagine you're one of the king's bodyguards. Your castle starts come under siege and you accompany the king to watch the combat from a safe distance, and an arrow just takes his head off in the first 5 minutes of combat.
Very good show. Very entertaining and informative. Throughly enjoyed. Thanks.
I know this is a year old now and im late to the comments but when i built one for a technology project many moons ago i found that the angle of the pin on the end of the trebuchet arm needed to be bent at an angle rather than having the straight one used here to get the most efficient trajectory. I did a whole range analysis with 5 different angles but cant remember the results now as was over 20 years ago. Just some info in case people are interested
Tod Cutler had to be involved of course. Excellent.
Excellent video as a fellow archer I would bet on the longbow every time he is like a medieval sniper
You Brits are a bit strange, but without a doubt, you know how to have fun. Congrats to Team Longbow!!! King Henry V would be proud! "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; ... "
Tod and his channel are the best
10 stone draw weight is not to be sniffed at! 😮 Impressive first shot..
The finger holes would have been imparting spin you can hear the whistle during travel
So very well demonstrated guys, loved this, well done to Joe for his superb headshot!
Could adding a little more weight to the trebs weight box have helped to send the ball further maybe.
Great video, so enjoyable and to all who set up the treb as well. Great day.
Honestly the wildest thing to me was the way the arrow had used literally all of its power getting through the king, and it just kinda dropped dead on the other end
When I the thumbnail for this I wondered if it was Tod and Joe. Sure enough. How many medieval trebuchets can there be, especially owned by someone as enthusiastic about using it as Tod.
Thanks for keeping history fun, bit fan of Tods work too.
18:00 - welcome to artillery, mate. U.S. Army Artillery (emeritus) You guys are too much fun - reminds me of old days at the target range on Saturday afternoons.
The bowman should have been allowed to loose as many arrows as he could fire, in the time that it took the trebuchet to fire its allotment of rounds. To be even more fair, maybe both weapons to fire at will until the defenders were no more. Scores to be totalled after the 'victory'. (Please, no wailing about a shortage of projectiles. You can't play at war...) 😃
Base on these two, I’d imagine in medieval times, the trebuchet crew would be loud beer-drinking jovial and jolly makers at any pub. Longbow men would be the cool, silent type leaning at the bar enjoying scotch alone.
Without even watching, yet, thumbs up because I thought, "I bet Tod would like to get in on this..."
Fantastic video!!
140m with a traditional longbow… first shot on target… 😮wow!
FIVE shots each?!?! That's ridiculously few.
Neither weapon is generally meant for accurate targeted fire.
And considering that Tod still haven't managed to work out the details with aiming a trebuchet, while the longbow is a well established weapon, kinda, VERY unfair contest.
But at least he got a chance to play around with his treb a bit more. Never a bad thing.
I am sure the mediaeval French would have had a saying like "Stay out of the English bowman's sight" now you know why. They could take your head at over 100 meters, while you peeking over a wall.
i'm impressed. excellent demonstration.
Joe is the best, entertaining video, thx...
Incredible shot, and very humble guy too.
Hats off to the longbow archer plus in the time taken by the trebuchet an awful lot of arrows could have been shot.Polishing a cricket ball affects what it does greatly over a distance of 22yds so its hardly surprising that a bowling ball with visible cracks in it was unpredictable over the much longer distance here.
Apples, oranges. The trebuchet is designed to knock down stone walls to allow storming the fort. The longbow is designed to target and kill or incapacitate enemy targets, but it would almost never be one archer, it would be a whole company of them - a few dozen archers like Joe Gibbs would've rained hell on enemy (rows of different archers shooting different trajectories have arrows coming straight, but raining down from above). Two effective tools, used for different purposes.
I have seen both yours and Tod's videos, I would say that there was plenty of history seen. Of the practical science variety.
I for one, when I was growing up, thought of the trebuchet as much more of an accurate weapon. Thanks Hollywood. But watching Tod's videos, I learned that some level of accuracy can be achieved, it's more of an accuracy of +/- 4 meters or so. As Tod indicates, there are a lot of variables when the trebuchet is loosed on every shot that will change.
Joe's archer is more of a finesse weapon, where the accuracy seems to be in the order or +/- a yard at those distances.
I have seen cannon fire go through the sides of simulated ships that would have caused massive damage and death to those behind the defenses.
Trebuchets are designed to take down walls, not snipe solders. Though some hits could take out dozens of soldiers with a lucky hit.
Bows are designed to take down one man at a time.
Overall, fun and I learned something, cleared up some myths, and was mightily entertained.
Since I had seen Tod's trebuchet videos in the past, I knew it would miss such a tiny targeting area.
Well that was interesting
Problem was guy's you should have put a Frenchman there, you would have both hit the bugger all day!
Hmm, I'm not sure Todd's reasoning of using a lighter ball to go further is necessarily sound. Yes it will have a higher initial velocity which would help greatly in a vacuum but it will also be slowed by air resistance at a faster rate. There will be instances where a heavier projectile will be able to travel further, to a point, until it gets so heavy the very low initial velocity more than offsets the counter to air resistance.
OO, YAAA. Of course they are engineers, maybe a few doctors as well. I always thought these people would be the least capable, but the bow was a lot stronger than I thought it would have been. This was a very long away over 300 feet at least and that big ass arrow was screeming very true and strait. Incredible, the power this thing had. And the first shot on to of it all.
There are trebuches still "intact". I at least know of one in the church of Strasbourg. This one is from the late Middle Ages. It's not usable at the moment but still standing.
That knee cap is demolished for sure.
Thus was so fun!
Is that a bronze mace head on the end of the pawl for the trebuchet?
Unless your trebuchet has greased slides or wheels, your range is reduced by at least one quarter and up to one third, depending on the length of the arm and the mass of the counterweight.
If you use the slides, you will see that the Trebuchet when released, slides backwards as the counterweight begins its descent, then rushes forwards as the arm reaches its maximum vertical release. This extra impetus at the maximum accelerated speed of the counterweight, translates into distance and velocity. it is, to put in bluntly, bloody impressive. . There is an ideal projectile weight for each trebuchet, providing maximum impact energy on the formula half the weight of the projectile times its velocity squared. The greased slide increases the velocity of the projectile, usually a stone, hence the advantage.
The Arabs who invented these adaptations of their hand staffed hand-slings would discover the ideal weight for each siege engine by trial and error, then weigh all of the projectiles accordingly to get consistency of aim and area of impact.
Give the greasy slides or wheels in ruts a try--you will be amazed, and it is much easier on the Trebuchet itself.
How many arrows in the time it takes to load the trebuchet once.
awesome video guys!
You wanna shoot....no shit I almost broke my back locking that crap back 😂🤣
great vid! had to increase the video playback as maybe a tad too much build up chat each time
I was well into my adulthood before I learned they weren’t called "Tree buckets".
I may have missed it, but what was the reasoning for the 2 sides having the same number of shots over the same time for shots? Surely the advantage of a bow is how fast one can get arros down range.
What a great channel! Well done to everyone involved and you geeks like me watching... have a great day!
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Trebuchet was like a cannons
I would like to have seen some details about each weapon.
I would think that a trebuchet 10 stories tall, the weight of the projectile being swung around like that, would pull the trebuchet apart after a few rounds. Also, the base of it would have to be SOOOOO wide to stop it from falling over every time
I bet the finger holes affect the aim. Like a curve ball or whiffle ball.
I was thinking the same thing.
It wouldn't surprise me at all. I've seen large Roman ballista balls that the romans appear to have hewn into fairly true spherical shape. I can only guess that they too wanted to eliminate variables as much as possible for more accurate shooting.
Some duct tape?
A heavier balll carries more momentum if you can get it up to speed.
A very fun competition. Though, the longbow shot was likely more luck than skill. Definitely a very skilled bowman. But, the grouping is just too wide to be intentional. I'd imagine that's why Joe was not as excited as the rest.
Needs more weight in the counterweight basket. The Trebuchet should be shaking and reeling from each shot when it hardly moves.
Put another cog on the other end of the trebuchet crank and have two going at it -- double reload speed
took the king out, on his first shot, with a headshot LOL
Nice shot by Joe hitting the King on his first shot, but the arrow likely would have glanced off the helm and not caused any damage...hardly a killing or incapacitating shot. The trebuchet, as was stated early on, wasn't designed for pin point shooting, but more of area effect weakening of walls. I don't think it was fair to select balls of varying weights. Joe used the same weighted arrows and arrowheads for each shot. Plus, a rolling ball isn't going to do any damage as it didn't hit the target directly, so by hitting the ground and rolling, loses much of its energy.
I built a small trebuchet and found that adjusting the length of the sling changes the range dramatically.
Should be shots per 5 min. The long bow works better for soft targets. Trebuchet for fortifications not a fair contest but was fun to watch.
The Longbowman could loose a lot of arrows in the time it takes to load and loose the trebuchet.
Gotta admit that was pretty accurate for the trebuchet
That wasn't the wind deflecting the bowling ball, it was the wind whistling in the finger holes of the bowling ball
The first person shot of the arrow is frightening. Imagine being there, exposed...
Your right that`s no War Wolf which is the one that Edward I built to lay siege to Stirling castle And really comparing longbows to siege engines is like comparing apples to oranges .When your firing at something as large as a castle you really don`t need to be accurate like the old saying close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades well that`s what a Trebuchet is the 12 century version of artillery not used to kill individuals but to destroy fortifications . On the other hand shooting arrows you really need accuracy a miss is as good as a mile
I wonder why they didn't just add weight to the counterweight to increase the range. Surely in the middle ages they would have a few stout serfs standing by for that. OK Brian, your turn, jump on.
There's an older video on Tod's channel where he reduces the weight to suit the projectiles being used. What happens is the extra energy is not transferred to the projectile but stays in the trebuchet and results in alarming swinging of the basket and dangerous stresses in the frame.
Like an ammunition wagon
Next one is LAV 25 vs 22 LR I wonder which is more effective 🤔