Robert E. Lee: A Nation Divided Documentary
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Why "would", "would", "would", "would" ? 17.38 "Lee WOULD essentially take charge". Try "Lee took effective charge" 18.04 "he WOULD enjoy the birth of his first daughter" ..... I doubt that he had the chance ! Husbands at that time were rarely in attendance, and in 1835, was an occasion for worry. A woman in distress giving birth is hardly an occasion for enjoyment. Try, "after her birth in 1835, he took (great) pleasure in the company of his first daughter". No "would" about it. He "did" !
The use of the conditional "would" is an affectation originating in America. It is in common and incorrect use in Americanese along with other grammatical ignorance e.g. the use of the present tense when referring to the past. Here is a quote from another comment, "were you to meet him today in person without the lens of the American Civil War I have no doubt that you WOULD think of him as a good person." Correctly conditional. It is conditional upon you meeting him. Your speech suggests that you are English, NOT American. Speak English !
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“A nation which does not remember what it was yesterday does not know where it is today”
Robert E. Lee
@Patricia Crowell yeah I posted this quote awhile back actually
The Confederate States didn't have to worry about that for very long.
Another quote possibly attributed to Lee and also why he didn’t press for emancipation, “don’t fix it if it ain’t broke.”
“A nation that still lives in yesterday spends the rest of its today’s trying to justify past indiscretions”
“Integrity is action consistent with principle.” - R.E. Lee.
Lee is a perfect example of why history is so fascinating and so important to me. He has so many admirable qualities, were you to meet him today in person without the lens of the American Civil War I have no doubt that you would think of him as a good person. However his legacy is inseparable from the horrific evil of slavery in America. He stands as a perfect lesson that people are complex and nuanced. Rarely, if ever, can you view someone as fully evil or fully good. It is a good reminder that just because you think of yourself as a generally good person, does not mean that you are incapable of evil acts.
Interestingly, the last slave-owning US President was Grant.
Lee was just a soldier with States Rights beliefs and no vision of a higher social future. Outside of his military skills he was a very simple person.
@@Timber774 he did not support secession, he only followed Virginia, had Virginia never joined the csa, Lee would have certainly accepted Lincolns offer.
@@stischer47 tell the other half of the story. It was only through marriage that he inherited them and they were soon free'd. They weren't forced into labor. More like custody than anything.
@@AR-ix8fq they were freed because his father in law had asked in his will to be done so. Lee resisted that all the way through until he was forced not to.
" I have met many of the great men of my time, but Lee alone impressed me with the feeling that I was in the presence of a man who was cast in a grander mould, and made of different and of finer metal than all other men. He is stamped upon my memory as a being apart and superior to all others in every way: a man with whom none I ever knew, and very few of whom I have read, are worthy to be classed." - Sir Garnet Wolseley, Commander in Chief of the British Army
That's quite the compliment
Said by someone suffering from very low self esteem. Lee was a failure.
@@willoutlaw4971 Lord Wolsley was Commander in Chief of the British Army when they were a major world power. He wasn't some millenial weasel with self-esteem issues. Eisenhower, Churchill and FDR all spoke of Lee as one of the greatest men in our history. Obviously they must have had self-esteem issues. Moron!
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@@rms3 Yeah I wasn't sure who it came from but I imagined it was someone of high-esteem
Narrator refers to Lee's wife as "Mary Anna Curtis" although the text properly gives her name as "Custis." The name is important because she was the great granddaughter of George Washington's wife, Martha Custis and most Americans are familiar with the name.
Thank you for always guiding me in spirit unto truth and valor grand fathers Henry and Robert Lee
Of all your excellent narrators, the voice of this narrator is my most favorite. 😎🙏🏻
Found out that Robert e. Lee is my 5th great grandfather!!!
Me too!
Yes Lee has SEVERAL descendants. Or at least those who claim to be his descendants.
You are lucky
Awesome General
Very good, unbiased documentary. I generally enjoyed it 👍
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One of my best friends is a direct descendant of Robert E Lee, and has some of his journals from the civil war and man is it fascinating to read.
Robert Duvall, who played him in Gods & Generals, is also a descendant of General Lee.
Wow!! Should record them into a book 📖!!! Would be absolutely amazing 👏
Beautiful narration
Very interesting to learn more about Lee’s life.
I agree
I'm proud of my great great great grandaddy. Robert Lee's daughter Annie is buried in North Carolina just 15 min from where I was born n raised.
He's mine too!
Absolutely wonderful and accurate portrayal of Mr. Robert E. Lee
He should have paid for his crimes fuck him
7 kids to take care of in that day and age. I’m sure he learned some of his best tactics from keeping his family fed safe and out of trouble. His wife must have been an excellent Comanding officer ❤
His wife suffered from depression and later in life would look out her window waiting for Lee to return. Very sad.
@@ralphshelley9586Just like all the families of the slaves that he fought for his state to keep. Very sad indeed.
He had been taking care of kids since his time at West Point haha
Wonderful General. He did not war. But he loved Virginia. He felt he had no choice but protect his state, which happened to be on the Confederate side.
He was a terrible general
Really splendid! Given all the current to-do about statues it was amazing to me that Robert E. Lee was personally against the resurrection of statues feeling that it would slow healing of the nation. Was he right? A great man; in my opinion.
I agree with you on that. I just wonder if they will start taking down our statues soon for what we did to the Native Americans?
The slow healing of the nation is something Lee was right about. Southern generals should be studied in our War colleges but not honored with statues, they were traitors.
@@Timber774 they are not traitors. They are American veterans and our fellow countrymen. A 1950 act of Congress laid your false claim to rest long ago.
@@markd6634You do realize the large majority of the confederate general statutes were quickly and cheaply built during the civil rights movement as a means to intimidate and oppress?
Statues aren’t history. Go read a book lol
Do not lie. U.S. Public Law 85-425, Section 410, does not stipulate that Confederate soldiers are US veterans, it simply states that the widows of Confederate soldiers are to be given government pensions, and if not a widow but a dependent, they would be given government pension too. No where in that law does it state that Confederate soldiers are veterans. This is simply the federal government looking out for those who would have no other recourse for their lost provider. Those Confederate soldiers, no matter their intention, are still traitors. @@coreythadrumma20
The entire War had historical figures with the will not to give a damn what the enemy thinks for their ideals. Lincoln, Sherman, Grant, Lee. All of them had firm reasons and an absolute approach to life. There's a lot to learn from all of them, how they lived as well as what cause they touted.
For all time, large groups of people will despise or praise them, and barbarians will want them forgotten. But in the end, I think all of them had the kind of conviction that put absolute authority upon themselves, accepting all the responsibility without hiding or excuses. That's an enduring strength we could use today, where politicians speak for everything and stand for nothing.
Depends what side of the Rez you live on I guess.
@Patricia Crowell "hey were people that deserved respect for the fact of their convictions." One particular former confederate who is painfully overlooked for his post war activity is James Longstreet. He became an advocate for black voting rights and switched political parties and made himself a pariah in the south. He led black soldiers against the very originally named "white league" who were trying to suppress the black vote in Louisiana. It's why the only place you will find a statue of him is in the North. In fact the lack of a Longstreet statue, someone who was a very respected general during the war, in the South, is very telling as to the motivation behind putting the statues up in the first place.
@John the Confederate That whole concept you speak of is foreign to me because I try to shun tribalism. I'd like to ensure a continued existence and future for all children, I frankly don't care what their ethnic background is. I mean, if you told me 5000 years from now we will all mix to the point of looking ethnically the same, I'd be happy because it would be one less thing for human beings to be in conflict over.
Lee chose wrongly. and with his aid sent many thousands to an un needed death. what man or woman would choose to enslave anybody. after all we are a God's creation
@@dugwthree Sounds like the same excuse nonsense that every religion based regime uses, look at Afghanistan now you will see the same.
I love history! The more we lean about history the more. about about our self’s 📖
Winston Churchill said that Lee was : " The most noble of all Americans and one of the finest military commanders in the annals of war". Lee gave dignity and honor to the South as they struggled with defeat. This allowed the country to rejoin...led by the massive respect the veterans on both sides had for each other after sharing five years of bloodshed, tragedy, and suffering. As Grant said : "...I feel like anything ,but, celebrating the defeat of a foe who fought so long and so hard....they are our countrymen again. " Lee was beloved by his men and was admired in the North. Our country suffers today, because we do not have men like him to lead it !
Well, racists tend love other racists.
@@stikupartist3698 Only an ignorant turd that falls from a homeless bum's ass would ASSUME that someone is "racist" because he acknowledges the brilliance and character of a man like Lee.....a man who had FARTS smarter than you !!
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@@johnfoster535 The man ( Lee ) was a PO 💩
He should have been 🐎whipped!
Grant and others wanted the UNION to mend, so the blow smoke up CSA azz.
South was let up to easy and to quickly. ( you help provide the evidence )
@@johnfoster535 are you saying he's a "turd" bcuz he's black?
Fun fact: When negotiating with Grant a Native American Chief held the terms, Lee stated "at least a true American is with us"
I have read another of Lee that emphasized that he was more of a gifted engineer and project manager. He had a reputation for completing a project ahead of schedule and with few resources.He tried his best to modernize West point So that it had more of a balanced curriculum.
As a military commander he was best at Gaining and keeping the loyalty of his men. Doing his best to keep them supplied. And trying to win a war despite Overwhelming odds against him and being outnumbered
Lee = FAIL! Washington = Success
As a direct blood relative, it's heartbreaking for me to see what they are doing to his legacy. They have made it their main focus to try and erase him from history. It will not work out well for those taking part in it. He we will never be forgotten.
He will never be forgotten. Nor should he be. I'm an independent voter living in Maine. I don't see anything about trying to erase him. On the contrary, he is viewed with respect. There is a crop of hatred being sowed for evil and they will use whatever to bring it to harvest. Remember ALL he said. ✨
@@jodywho6696 Thank you for your kind words. They are very much appreciated.
@@jodywho6696 Nobody is trying to erase Robert E. Lee any more than they want to erase Benedict Arnold. Traitors to the US and to humanity need to be remembered so we don't repeat their grievous mistakes.
I am from Illinois. I will fight for Illinois. I have relatives in georgia. they will fight for georgia. I think that for most soldiers in the civil war, it had more to do with what side your state was on.
Exactly.
My mom's side was with the 7th Virginia Inf.
They were burned out and escaped to Canada by packet steamer in 65'.
My grandfather would relate stories he was told a kid .. that when the Yankees would shout out at night across the lines,
''Hey, Johnny Reb!''...why you fightin us so hard!!?''....
''Cause your down here Yank.''
Tell that to General Thomas
@@rpm1796 Drunk grandfather's ain't Historians!
How many deserted, ignored csa draft, hid in mtns or otherwise told CSA where to get off!?
Fighters in CSA KNEW what they were fighting for, and tried for more then 100 years to establish a culture as close to antebellum times as possible with Jim Crow.
NOBODY BELIEVES LOST CAUSE LIES ANYMORE IN THE INFORMATION AGE!!@
YEEE HAAA!!!!
Yup, that's where your home, financial assets and family/friends are. Let's not get too sentimental about this loyalty to your sovereign state stuff.
If my home state was pro slavery, I’d no longer defend it. It’s not complicated.
"There is nothing left for me to do but go and see General Grant...and I would rather die a thousand deaths"
Robert E. Lee, on Palm Sunday, April 9, 1865 at Appomattox Station. 59:28
Wish he had... wish he had.
@@bryan5549 Better you than he.
@Patricia Crowell Even though many of his other generals and men wanted him to not surrender and wage guerilla warfare. He took the honorable path to stop the bloodshed.
@John the Confederate Way down south in the land of traitors, rattlesnakes and alligators!
@@tsdobbi yet again another genius who knows nothing about the South…. Y’all are ridiculous, come by for a visit if u got the balls
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Thank you for this extraordinary documentary
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Excellent documentary. Thanks for the effort.
Lee & Grant both on same side leading armies in Mexican War.
They were not leading armies then, they were junior officers in Mexican war.
Actually Grant was a junior Officer fairly recently graduated low in his Class at West Point. A Lieutenant in the Quartermasters Corps. Lee on the other hand was a senior Staff Officer on General Winfield Scott's Staff. He distnguished himself in several battles and ended the war as a temporary Colonel. At the beginning of the Civil War Lee's reputation was such that he was offered Command of the newly forming Union Army. Grant's reputation had sunk to a level where he couldn't even get Command of a Regiment in the Army of the Potomac. That would all change of course. (The narrator also doesn't seem to know that Arlington was actually owned by Lee's father in law George W. Custis.)
Neither of them were leading armies in the Mexican American war.
@@douglasturner6153 "That would all change of course." Some peoples true potential needs a specific catalyst to be unlocked. History is filled with mediocre people who in the right circumstances became great.
I mean you can look at it like prospects in sports. Some athletes are stars their whole life, picked 1st in the draft and have amazing professional careers. Some get picked 1st in the draft and end up a total bust. Some were mediocre, picked like 400th overall and end up becoming a beast in the pros.
@@tsdobbi General McClellan was certainly the equivalent of a 1st pick in the draft.
"With all my devotion to the Union, and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relative, my children, my home." - Robert E. Lee
While the Civil War no doubt started because of slavery, Lee, like most Confederate soldiers, was fighting for his home land, his people - not slavery. Ironically Lee had set his slaves free years before the war, while Grant still had slaves into the war.
Nice bit of bullsh!t propaganda
@@buckdraper303 Nice bit of intelligent, history-backed argument!
@@buckdraper303 Documentary is a great example of how warped the Lee narrative is.
First, for a poor kid with no roots. His mother owned four slaves.
Second, Lee (just like his father in law) only freed his (wife's) slaves only when it was convenient.
Third, Lee's resignation from the military is frequently heralded as evidence of his personal integrity. Actually, it shows just how hypocritical he was.
He claimed that he could not in good conscience wage war against his family and neighbors. However, he had no problem orchestrating the brutal death of hundreds of thousands of people who had been his comrades a year ago.
Finally, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people outweighs everything else.
@@mervyngreene6687 pretty simple, family ties run deeper than comrades. Not that complicated
Interesting point. I think that your explanation may be valid. But does it make him worthy of respect or praise. This video (and lots of books) present Lee as a person who thought that slavery was immoral. It also implies that he was not in favor of secession or the war.
So, loyalty to family was the only reason that he participated in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people. That doesn't sound very honorables to me. Would it be acceptable to praise Osama Bin Laden, Hitler, or Putin the same way?
That forced march from Harper's Ferry was almost 16 miles. I can't imagine marching that distance and immediately fighting once arrived
That would be challenging for sure
But not so much for a Southern Country boy.
The life of the average Southerner was made up of long days of hard work.
The impression that all whites in the South lead a life of privilege and slave ownership is far from the truth.
Most were only slightly better off economically than the slave, were often Sharecroppers, which was 1 step above the slave.
The Sharecroppers lived on the land owners land in a shack, gave the majority of the harvest to the owner, while the Sharecropper had to cover all his own cost including paying the landowner back for the seed and feed of the horse or steer's food.
If the Sharecropper didn't produce to the owner's satisfaction the Sharecropper and his family were thrown off with the owner keeping the plow and animals..
Another thing missing from the retelling of history of the South was foreign and or corporate ownership of many larger plantations ( often Northerners) which were the source of many "horror stories" of the slave treatment.
The truer picture was most whites of the South never owned slaves and of those that did, the slaves were taken care of.
For the average Southerner a slave was a major investment and therefore were treated well.
Sick or dying slaves couldn't produce so it was important for the owner to invest in his people for the same reason he would a horse or steers.
I'm not defending slave ownership or denying that terrible things were done to the slaves, just trying to show there's a side that's ignored.
Another fact that gets ignored is that many slaves fought for the South willingly.
An encounter between white Northern troops and black Southern troops on the battlefield
in which both official records and diaries, personal letters recount the same exchange between the opposing troops.
"..why are you here fighting us..?"
The reply, " because you are here.
This is our home.." came the reply.
After the war many slaves chose to stay and work with their once owner's because there was a bond between them.
As a young kid I knew my Great grandmother whose parents were young adults when the
" War of Northern Aggression" started who recalled growing up surrounded by former slaves and their children who had stayed with the former owners, even fought to protect the farm and family from Northern looters and Carpetbaggers. Why? Because there was a strong bond of friendship.
General Lee and other Southern leaders had black troops that volunteered to serve under them in battle.
Inconvenient facts that are ignored because they don't fit in with the modern story line.
There is a man on UA-cam, if not taken down, that teaches the other side of the story, he wears the CSA grey uniform of a Sargent when he does his lectures, he is a Southern born and raised man of color who stood against BLM when they tried to tear down Confederate Statues in his home city.
Never be so narrow minded to think you know all there is to be known on any subject.
Again I'm not defending the ownership of other humans or the terrible things done to the them.
Another inconvenient fact.
The Jim Crow laws were enacted by the Democratic party that held a stranglehold on Southern States for more than 100 years after the end of the War.
They created an environment of hate that had not been so strong before the war and kept it going until after Martin Luther King was killed.
The 1st non Democrate to be elected by Southern voters was Ronald Reagan.
Prior to that the saying in the South was " you can't get a Republican elected dog catcher in the South"
On one side of my family tree were Klansmen on the other side they were NOT and opposed it.
My one grandfather was ate up with it, bitter that the South lost and died early, 68.
My other Grandfather was a kind and wise man who was the son and grandson of sharecroppers, grew up as a sharecropper.
He couldn't spell his own name or read until he was 18 because a Sharecropper's kid didn't need education.
He married my Grandmother who's mother was a teacher, that's how he "learned out of books"
He had compassion for others and a wisdom not learned in schools.
He too started his adult life as a sharecropper but made deals with the landowner, ended up owning his own farm.
When the Great Depression hit and many walked away from thier failing farms My grandfather made deals, put the family to work on the other farms and grew.
My Grandfather lived out his life as a wealthy man, taught his children, all 7, males and females, the value of keeping your word, of honesty, hard work, caring for others and above all Faith in God.
He lived to be 96, my Grandmother who was younger lived to 94.
Their children are all gone save for the youngest daughter, my aunt who is 80.😅
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Look into Maos Long March. It’s amazing what motivated people can do
So interesting learning about how so many American civil war generals were West Point alumnus. Lee, Grant, Jackson, McClellan, Meade, Sherman, Longstreet, Stuart, Beauregard, Hood, Johnston, Hancock, Armistead, Pickett, etc. Lee was called the “marble model” as he placed 2nd in his class and never got a single demerit. Regardless of current politics, I still think he should at least be honored as one of the Point’s greatest alumni. So many of them were friends beforehand, like Hancock and Armistead if you’ve seen Gettysburg. Also Longstreet and Grant were good friends despite oblivious differences in background and appearance, both often snuck out to go to Benny Haven’s tavern to drink and play poker. Pickett was also in their graduating class and Grant sent him a birth gift for Pickett’s son during the waining hours of the siege of Petersberg.
To add to your lovely synopsis, President Lincoln wanted Lee to be his Chief-of-Staff and General leading the war effort, but Lee's heart was with the south where he was born and raised.
Illuminati
I was thought that would be a great movie..they touched on the relationships a little in different things but never a movie or doc that I am aware of
There was so many generals that had gone to West Point that ended up fighting for the south that the Congress almost closed down West Point
General Lee was a gentleman regardless of whether you hate him or like him
Well done .
Good background on one of the most important leaders in the Civil War. A Teenager’s Guide to the Civil War: A History Book for Teens is a good resource for those who want to learn more.
To some degree Lee's invasion of Pennsylvania was predicated on Grant's Vicksburg campaign. The Confederate leaders were looking for a way to relieve pressure on Vicksburg and this was it. In a way it was a campaign of desperation. Undoubtedly Picket's charge was a mistake but I'm not sure if Longstreet's proposal was a realistic option without cavalry...Stuart didn't arrive till late the second day and was northeast of Gettysburg at the time.
Lee's moderating persona was important for the white south after the Civil War and undoubtedly for the nation as a whole. Too bad cancel culture is trying to destroy his reputation.
I am a Texan, we had a President not a governor...General Sam Houston. And it was mostly other Southern states that came into East Texas to grab what they could grab from that part of Texas, and also ended up electing people to the Texas legislature, who were hotheads who argued for Texas to join the Confederacy. Sam Houston wanted to keep Texas as a Republic unto itself. Texas was the only state to join the Union by treaty and not annexastion with the provision that Texas could leave the United States any time they wanted but the Civil War changed the treaty and ended up annexed as part of being able to leave the U.S. at anytime they wanted.
I read the same history books as you did, probably older because the history book we used in school (elementary school) was done in hard tone illustrated in cartoon fashion.
As an idea you can also do Davis, Jackson, Beauregard, Grant, Sherman, McClellan and then compile them (with Lincoln and Lee) into Union and Confederate figures.
Great idea
Very good. Greetings from Holland
He made a terrible mistake at Gettysburg; he let his heart overrule his mind. The worst is thing a commander can do.
Thank God he did. Down with the traitors
I could never understand frontal attacks. e. g. 1815 below New ORLeans Am 12 , British 3,000 casualties
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amazing videos
Lee did the best with what he had
Yes , but unfortunately…
As a UK citizen with no bias either way, I find this man's life fascinating and it's quite tragic that he seems so misunderstood by many Americans today.
If we judge him off of his time and not by today's morals - whatever they may be - then he is undoubtedly a hero and worthy of the praise he receives.
Lee is a complicated character with faults just like any human. However, Lee being a hero? No he fought on the side that wanted to keep slavery going.
In America, we have poorly-educated people on the Left flailing around trying to find some meaning for their lives. So they lash out at statues and textbooks and city names, etc., in a desperate bid to somehow be relevant. It is quite pathetic.
Lee was notoriously cruel as a slave owner. While most slave owners adhered to the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families. lee made it a point to break up and sell off family members as soon as feasible. When his slaves escaped and were recaptured, Lee would either beat them himself or order the overseer to “lay it on well.” Wesley Norris, owned by General Lee was whipped, he recalled that the General "Was not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, General Lee ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.”
Just for perspective, General Lee's treatment of his slaves may well have been cruel. But the generals who defeated him, and are lauded today as heroes, were themselves rather cruel to the Indian tribes they conquered out West after the war was over. People forget General Custer was a hero at Gettysburg, for example.
@@glennhubbard5008 All of them were flawed to say the least, especially in their treatment of their fellow man. Even Abraham Lincoln, he had no intention of freeing the slaves when he became president, he wanted to stop further expansion of slavery, but not interfere with the establish slave states. He knew ending slavery was not politically healthy. His emancipation proclamation was a political move, he did it when he did it to bolster foreign support from nations that had abolished slavery, and to encourage African Americans to join the Union Army.
This is my true hero. We need more like him
HERO
General Lee was a devout religious man. Fighting for his home state of Virginia.
He commanded such respect from his men that when the Army of Northern Virginia was worn down by General Grant by March 1865, he told his officers (who wanted to continue fighting guerilla warfare) that it was God's will that they put down their arms and make peace with General Grant. His men listened to him.
More so than Spiderman?
First of all, I believe Lee was an honorable man. After the surrender of his army, many deadenders wanted to continue with the war in small units using hit and run tactics. Vietnam and Afghanistan come to mind as parallels. Lee wanted no part of this scheme and and used all his influence to insure it did not happen. The South lost and for him it was time to move forward. Overall, I thought this was a good video, with one exception: Gettysburg! Lee's plan for day 3 was brilliant. Stuart was to attack the Union center as Pickett was advancing, in a giant pincer movement and cut the Union Army in two. George Custer with 4 regiments of cavalry (Michigan Brigade) with an assist from the 1st NJ and 2nd PA, stopped Stuart cold. Also there was a long artillery duel before Pickett moved out. However, because the Confederates did not use smokeless gunpowder, Alexander's Southern artillery could not see they were overshooting the Union line. Alexander's barrage was of no effect on the enemies position. Stuart's failure to break through a much smaller cavalry force caused the slaughter of Pickett's troops. It was due to these two failure that Lee lost at Gettysburg. His plan was brilliant but not executed.
Lee may have been honorable but he was no visionary; he was defeated at Gettysburg because he was burned out. Lee was advised not to order Pickett's charge, but would not hear it. Pickett was courageous, but his life was wasted in a terrible social cause.
@@Timber774 its true that its Lee s fault,but Mcdouglas arthur who is amous general also failed in korea,and was fired,many great generals made costly mistakes during their career.Dont forget Lees intelligence failed him,and Lee took responsibillity for his actions,he knew that after gettysburg it was all pver,but at that time there was no turning back,so he pull his last effort to stop union
there is no honor in a man who did not vehemently oppose chattel slavery.
no he was a murderous slaver and who's actions killed actual great people such as John Brown.
@@setsaimu I knew I wouldnt have to scroll far to find one of you! Uncle Abe wasnt very fond of black people either. He only used them as a politician would,,AND STILL DO!
General Lee was an amazing human being I think. People need to ask themselves: If YOU were put into the same situations/ circumstances? How Would YOU have handled it?. Not An Easy Question To Answer Would It Be Now? Nope. It Would Be Unfair To. Very Unfair and Morally Wrong In The Presumption Alone.
I'd have honored my oath. And kept my Honor
Your answer: Douglas Southall Freeman wrote in his classic "Lee's Lieutenants" that a majority of field grade officers who came from the South, and were in the U.S. Army before the war, stayed with the Union.
@@whoamarshrobert2781 He did and kept his honor. Honor has a cost.
I understand what you are saying but do you want American to kill each other again? Do you believe that is right to bear arms against your country? American should be ashamed of it self we enemy country's that wants destroy America just because we are Americans but they laugh at us and say let them destroy themselves again in civil war how sweet would that be for enemies that hate Americans
China Russia are hoping we fall as a nation the most powerful country in the world can take on any country wen we are United together racism divides us
WOW. This was the single most interesting and informative things I've even seen on The Civil War. You managed to encapsulate the entire conflict into just a few short minutes, a feat of nearly unimaginable dimensions. I only wish all of my history teachers were like you, maybe I wouldn't have flunked out of school.
Great video. My only disappointment was so little time was given to the overland campaign vs Grant. It was one of Lee's most brilliant campaigns, just as Napoleon fought one of his most brilliant when his back was against the wall (and also lost).
Lee got completely destroyed in the Overland campaign. He completely froze at Petersburg what are you talking about?
“Napoleon” lol. Someone doesn’t know waht the overland campaign was
How was getting stommped during the OVerland Campaign a brilliant campaign?
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Fighting for slavery didnt bother you?
President Lincoln sent a telegram to General Grant on April 7 1865, with the following words: " General Sheridan says that if the thing is pressed, I think Lee will surrender. Let THE THING be pressed..." Grant kept the telegram, and in his own handwriting added the words:" Mr Lincoln's communication to me" Now on display at a Chicago Museum and a monument to both men's economy with words, during that most critical time in American History.
@John the Confederate
Tell that to Lee’s slaves, whom his father in law had, in his will, sought to be freed, but whom Lee had retained ownership; separating many slave families that had previously remained whole while George Custis was alive.
@@augsdoggs no it was lee wife family slave he let them go over a few year
@@augsdoggs That's not exactly what happened. The slaves were slowly freed because Lee's father in law had amassed great debts and Lee needed the slaves as both collatoral and work to pay it off as executor of the estate. If it were up to Lee, they would have been freed instantly.
@@KingofDiamonds85 Keeping slaves because freeing them would be a financial inconvenience to him, doesn't not paint him in a better light.
@@tsdobbi Actually it does. Lee was a career soldier with very little to his name. Other than Arlington, he had no inheritance from his father and as stated, his father in law wracked up debt and Lee couldn't pay it on a soldier's salary as his executor. The only thing he had as collatoral was the property and slaves. During this time he educated the slaves to make sure they could make it with freedom. I'm in no way condoning slavery, but to just ignore key facts about what was going on is illogical.
I was born in Illinois so I am a Yankee. But I have the deepest respect for Lee. He was an excellent gemeral having the gift of incitefullness. He knew what the enemy would do. He was a good man as reflected in how his men loved him.
great military leader
robert e lee is one of americas beloved generals i heard that after the film gettysburg ended gettysburg is one of my favorite war films im proud to be a civil war buff
He carried a sword which had belonged to Washington, a gift from his wife. The Lee's still own a great deal of Washiongton's items including WAshington's tent at Valley Forge and Yorktown. . .on permanent loan to the United States. Also, Lee never owned his own home during his entire life. He only had his pay. Arlington belonged to his wife only for her life and went to Lee's oldest son at her death. Lee never owned it or owned any home. He owned no slaves ever. He was executor of his father in law's will only and he was tasked with emancipating his father in laws slaves which he couldn't do because he had other bequests that had to be resolved. At the same time he could have sold slaves south to pay the bequests but did not do so though that was the usual practice and then emancipate the remainder.....He wasn't perfect but he wouldnot sell any south. A man raised in a time we can't begin to grasp and related by marriage to Washington's closest family. Many thought him wealthy and he wasn't. He only went to WEst Point because that was the only way he could further his education. His older brother Smith Lee had joined the Navy and was with Perry at the "opening" of Japan. His brother was also the first Commandant of Midshipmen at the US Naval Academy. Smith entered the Navy for the same reasons his younger brother went to West Point, they weren't wealthy. He had an interesting life filled with challenges.
You made some excellent points. Unfortunately, all southerners are thrown into to the "slave owner" pile. Even those of us southerners alive today...AFTER THIS POINT MY ORIGINAL TEXT WAS EDITED. OMG, ARE THEY SERIOUS. ARE WE THAT DAMNED SENSITIVE? THE UNITED STATES IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAND OF FREE SPEECH. THE FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD BE EMBARRASSED BY THE AMERICA WE HAVE BECAME.
The family still has letters he wrote during the war very surreal to read them he was definitely a man of honor
Imagine the time then.
Great video! Thank y’all.
Brazil is the south that won the war and that's why Confederate immigration in Brazil some famous personalities here like the singer Rita Lee and several actors are Confederate descendants
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There is something civilians just cannot understand: When an Officer takes the rank and responsibilities, he/she does not consider the right or wrong of it. The job is to fight and win. This has been unchanged since antiquity.
~Jim LTC US Army (R)
Army stability 101 yes. ...but what if your country divided and then went to war with its self over morals, resources, the want to keep the status quo, etc. In that case, a choice of which side to take has to be made, and that chosen side's "morals" will be the basis of how you are judged later.
Are you loyal to your government your state your regiment. Maybe you have to make that choice for your men too, a whole battalion loyal to you and loyal to what was once maybe days ago stable country. Your statement only holds true if your country is stable where state loyalty is secondary to national loyalty and the choice is not forced on you. So colonel, If your battalion was ordered to march on a civilian population, known not to be in support of any enemy and destroy them, (obviously this is extreme and unrealistic) but you would have to do it and not consider the right or wrong of it. I was ordered to do it has been an excuse since antiquity.
Duty, Honor, Country. Lee failed them all!
@@whoamarshrobert2781 I will disagree. Lee chose the Southern cause and inherited a very bad hand. He fulfilled his duty and kept his honor intact. I'm not sure how you arrived at the notion that he failed at all three. Preconceived bias perhaps?
@@whoamarshrobert2781 LOL...duty and honor he served well. Country? Well, thereby hangs a tale.
A military officer may not issue or carryout illegal orders.
Another excellent episode. Thankyou.
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Lee is the greatest American hero....a true role model
Sure, because fighting to preserve slavery is such an admirable trait.
I live in Newport News Va. so I know a good bit on the history here, but ALWAYS good to learn more.
Same
I grew up in Virginia in the early 2000's and almost everything in Virginia was called Lee, Jackson, Stuart, picket, hill, etc for roads, schools, parks. Then the northern va, Norfolk, Richmond democracts obtained so much power, they tired down their old democract history.
I know. The two parties have switched their historical roles and views regarding the Civil War and the confederacy. The Republican Party destroyed the confederacy. And Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats, like the ones that ran Virginia for decades) loved to honor the Confederacy. But today, the Dems hate the Confederacy, and the Repubs love it, and have even adopted the Confederate flag as one of their own symbols.
Wow....brain damage
@Smoky puppy Oh..way down south in the land of Traitors, rattle snakes and alligators look away, look away!
@@BigSleepyOx drinking that CNN juice i see..
I think it notable that Union General George Henry Thomas, a Virginian who decided to remain loyal to the Union, was disowned by his Virginian family and never publicly
forgiven by the State of Virginia. Whereas a pardon was granted to many Officers for the Confederacy by the United States, including Robert Edward Lee. Even General U.S. Grant threatened to resign if his surrender terms were not granted after the assassination of President Lincoln as many of the hardliners wanted to see the major Confederate players hung. I am not saying that every northerner was in favor of amnesty, but that not all southerners were still very bitter after the defeat; even towards their own.
African-American will be a test to see if this Nation or any Nation can withstand the coming of the Glory of Righteousness wow unto all who causes thou Fellow man to stumble.
Robber barons made forgiveness impossible
Interesting to note that Ben Franklin's wife and eldest son were fervent loyalists to the mother country.
@@rpm1796 The biggest irony.
Benjamin Franklin was a founding father and a patriot, his son was a loyalist, but his grandson was also a patriot.
25:02-26:30 In Texas we had an entire year of history class dedicated to Texan history (there’s a lot of interesting stuff, you should learn about it), and what was mentioned in the video was like half of what we went over in class
What i find fascinating is people who look at and hold people from the past with utter distain without thinking about what it was like to live in those times. None of us can know how we would be if we were born into those times because every part of how we were brought up and how we think would be different
Thank you for this incredible documentary on Robert E. Lee. It's devastating that this beautiful monument of Robert E. Lee was removed. Very pathetic and foolish! History is our compass to creating a better future. Thank you Robert E. Lee for loving and fighting for our freedom!
He was racist fool
I'm glad that Gettysburg Nat'l Battlefield is standing firm against those people. Note I'm using "those people" as Gen. Lee used it.
“Fought for our freedom” He didn’t fight for his slaves freedom. Robert E. Lee fought for traitors’ freedom so that they could continue to own other people. I guess that makes you a traitor and a lover of slavery. Disgusting.
@@slackerman9758 you sounds like a hypocritical ignorance, just tell me how you build a country start from the ground?
@@slackerman9758 slaves ain't us now are they
"If I could win this war without freeing any slaves I would do it"- Abraham Lincoln
Thank You So Much for Doing this Video. I have always admired and Loved topics concerning History. Could you do a Video maybe on The Civil War itself or Stonewall Jackson?? I would be very interested. Thanks so much and I enjoyed this. I subscribed to the channel as well.👍👍👍👍👍
He is an honorable man, a gentleman duty-bound to his homeland, and a very difficult and different time
Very good point, well said
Honorable "slave-owning" man.
How quaint.
The first bank stir war. Lincoln double crossed them.
Thanks! Great video, probably my favourite so far.
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A lot of people don't know is that Lee was supposed to head the Union as the Marshall of all forces, he turned it down and went to the Confederate instead
He was a class act
A broken man after the war kevin R.e.l. Spence N.y.
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I hear Monrovia is lovely this time of year.
Very interesting and informative 👍
Lee exemplifies the southern gentleman. he served his home to the best he could and did win many battles.
Lee was a traitor.
@@freak5646 Bet you wouldn't say that to his face
@@ziggystardust1122 why not ? He's dead so what's the threat. Also he accepted he was a traitor
That southern hospitality left the south as soon as they lost their slaves. Those lazy bastards had to work for the first time in generations.
@@stikupartist3698 I love how you people see to think the farmers that owned those big farms did have anything to do
Great video as always hope you guys do a video on General Meade or General McClellan
Maybe a Stonewall Jackson video
A very thorough documentary and mostly fair portrayal.
I would suggest the storied history of Virginia in comparison to the essentially recent federal experiment be noted.
Wow
Finishing second was prophetic
The Civil War was necessary. Tre'vone'de and Big Keisha were freed and allowed to live up to their full potential. Their subsequent achievements speak for themselves. They have a brought peace and knowledge universally to their communities!!
that's a very stereotypical statement and it shouldn't have happened. Those people who owned slaves were lazy assholes you didn't want to do it themselves. For country with the mentality of "pull up your bootstraps" and "do it yourselves", we were founded and created by men who didn't even do it themselves.
Well well well, I'm totally astonished that no one caught the utter racism of your post, not to mention the truth of it. Their achievements do speak for themselves, if only we could understand what the fuck they're saying.
@@indy_go_blue6048lol... I can translate.. I actually went to school with Tre'vone'de and Big Keisha in New Orleans... No BS.
@@pretorious700 Another Tinfoil conspiracists, LoL. "But if there were no other reason why we should never have war, would any sane nation make war on cotton? Without firing a gun, without drawing a sword, should they make war on us we could bring the whole world to our feet. The South is perfectly competent to go on, one, two, or three years without planting a seed of cotton. I believe that if she was to plant but half her cotton, for three years to come, it would be an immense advantage to her. I am not so sure but that after three years’ entire abstinence she would come out stronger than ever she was before, and better prepared to enter afresh upon her great career of enterprise. What would happen if no cotton was furnished for three years? I will not stop to depict what every one can imagine, but this is certain: England would topple headlong and carry the whole civilized world with her, save the South. No, you dare not make war on cotton. No power on earth dares to make war upon it. Cotton is king. " -SEN. JAMES HENRY HAMMOND
@Kenyatta Ivy Awwww did that make your wittle woke hole hurt?? Probrecita!
I Started watching this video and was enjoying it until I began to notice a large number of bothersome mispronunciations such as Curtis for Custis, and then started noticing incorrect information stated as facts.
Things such as naming Stephen F. Austin as “Moses” Austin, and stating there were 100 defenders of the Alamo instead of the 185 named members that fluctuate one or two up or down over the decades as public documents come to light providing move locational information of named defenders.
As much as I like this type of detailed historical, I raise a dubious eyebrow when such well documented details are incorrectly provided as truth in books, movies, or documentaries espousing history.
If you make mistakes on the well know historical details, it tends to taint the entire body of work.
God Bless
Robert E Lee.
I respect Grant because he wanted to protect the unity in the country. He was a patriot. Grant represents patriotism. I respect Lee because Lee wanted to stand up to the big guy. He was a fighter. Lee represents bravery in the face of certain destruction. Lee represents courage.
Lee was also like many who viewed their state as greater than the whole collective. The union at that time was a new idea still. Each state was considered a sovereign entity. Being from a state was akin to nationality. As a Virginian I feel this too. It's so hard to see those who are not from, but moved to, it making laws and destroying what we love.
@@JNM11787 I understand what you're saying but the facts do not support a states rights argument for lee. There were 9 colonels from Virginia in the US army at the time (including Lee). Lee was the only one who turned his back on our country. He was so hated by the north the union buried their dead in his front yard so he could never return.
It was not certain destruction. That's part of the lost cause myth that has been debunked thoroughly. No other virginia colonel in the US army sided with the confederacy (i believe there were 9). The elevation of Lee as genius, noble, courageous, etc needed to end a hundred years ago. Had he won, slavery would have flourished into the new western states and decriminalized in the north. And he nearly won largely due to a revolving door of less than stellar generals leading the army of the potomac. I've often read the best general the south ever had was George McClellan.
Facts speak for themselves. Lee was a bad human being and merely a good general. Not a gentleman, and not a "great" general. He was a racist who ordered his overseers to "lay it on" his slaves when they disobeyed, and when he finally found himself up against a general who wasn't afraid to actually fight him... he spent the rest of the war on the back foot. An overrated human being--by a LOT. And an overrated general.
@@USS-SNAKE-ISLAND well put. Lee was 0-2 invading the north and never captured one union army. Grant got three.
Also! That map you are showing, West Virginia did not become a state until June 20, 1863. What is now the US state of West Virginia was, at the outset of the American Civil War, part of the state of Virginia. The counties that made up West Virginia were predominantly (not entirely) pro-Union, and were occupied early in the war by federal forces.
These counties then formed their own pro-Union government, ultimately seceding from Virginia and seeking admission to the the United States as a separate state while the war was being fought.
He was not military genius but a flawless soldier.
...different perspective but a good analysis
He read Grant s mind.
General Lee, a true Cavalier worthy of his Cavalier forefathers!
The first part of this video is good, and goes into more detail than would be expected in a UA-cam video. However, once the war breaks out this video's accuracy spirals. Lee was not placed in overall command until near the end of the war, really far too late to do any good, not in the beginning as the video claims. He was initially given command of all Virginia State troops. He first led a disastrous campaign into western Virginia, and was not given another field command until Johnston was wounded outside Richmond. It was then he reformed that army into the fabled Army of Northern Virginia. Pope did not succeed McClelland, but was given a new army to pressure Lee on a second front. "The miscreant," as Lee referred to him, was soundly beaten at 2nd Manassas. Hooker did not command at Sharpesburg, it was McClellan. Hooker took over after Burnside, who lost his command after the slaughter called the Battle of Fredericksburg and the Mud March. Hooker was then thrashed at Chancellorsville, one of the most famous battles in American history, still studied at war colleges around the world. I quit watching at the 45 minute mark, as the lack of proper research made this video intolerable to me. Imagine an American narrating a video on the English Civil War and confusing the leadership and roles, and you get an idea how I feel.
I feel your pain Biggus. Imagine an American struggling with historical accuracy. Intolerable.
Well this is the second REL video they made. Apparently the first one had the script copied from Wikipedia but it appeared accurate on my follow-up research while working the inaccuracies the commenters were writing.
You are definitely correct on all counts. One of the big problems with the internet is that anyone can post anything, whether it be true or false. Which leads to a false narrative of history. If people had already studied the subject , any subject , they would see the glaring inaccuracies. Slavery ,to me is abhorrent. I personally try to treat people with respect until they start disrespecting me. It doesnt appear to make any difference to some folks that there is not any one alive today who was in any kind of bondage nor are there any former slaves alive. What about all the other races which at some point or another who were slaves? It seems to me that certain people are determined to bring on another such war. If it happens all Americans will lose. America has many enemies now but at the same time I can prove this country has done more good for all of mankind than any other. Period. Another internal war and we will be taken over by China and Russia. There is a lot of opportunity still, despite the rotten scum in control. I'm quite sure nobody is gonna have it "better" under the leadership of those Tyrants. Perhaps if these idiots had actually paid some attention and learned to read and write all of this might dawn on them.
Thank you for pointing out these errors. I'm better informed because of you.
You're very well schooled on this, Mr. Gibbus. I'm amazed by your knowledge of Robert E. Lee😳
I’m very irritated with how the 21st century is treating his legacy
I’m not. He’s a Loser ,Traitor and Racist!
Thank you for an interesting biography.
Robert E. Lee is a great military general.
And he should be respected in this regard.
agree
Wasn’t good enough to win.
@D Sullivan We have statues of them because both sides fought for "America" that is the part that is so heavily ignorant in every argument that people make saying that General Lee and the Confederates were "traitors" oh so exercising the constitutional rights put in place by the Founding Fathers themselves for states (which were all intended to be like independent countries) to choose to secede from the voluntary union is apparently treason? People nowadays only view the USA as the 2nd largest country on the map and dont ever look on the lines within. The Confederacy kept to the ideals the USA was founded on even adopting the same constitution, the US was intended to be like a confederacy when it was founded which if you don't know what that word means (which many don't) is an alliance of countries or governments held together by a central authority, the central government was starting to become unconstitutional and violating state rights that's what drove the southern states which more held on to the ideals of independence and state sovereignty the Founding Fathers had in mind for the US, to exercise their rights to leave the union, back then your country was your state, not the union. The Lincoln Administration in Washington rather than try to negotiate and try to come up with a compromise with the seceding southern states decided to raise an army and invade them and violate their constitutional rights even more forcing them back under the rule of DC which encouraged more states such as Tennessee, my home state NC and Kentucky to side with the south, and what's worse the pro-slave Democrats took advantage of this situation and further tore the country apart so they could try to keep black people in chains. General Lee and the soldiers of the Confederacy fought for their states and for the true ideals this nation was founded on and when the South lost the war so did the "real" America. Today that same corrupt government that the south fought against sits in Washington today and now we're all basically slaves to the federal government and people who try to take up arms or threaten to take up arms against government corruption are viewed as traitors or terrorists, which again the Founding Fathers knew there would be times of tyranny and that the people of this nation would have to rise up and resist it, it's literally why we have our 2nd amendment which is now constantly under attack, but instead the resistance is viewed as treason. The real traitors in that tragic war was the people in DC and individuals sitting in the capitals of all the individual states, that was the first time patriotic Americans took up arms to resist tyranny but they were unfortunately exploited by another tyrant: the Democrats, and they were defeated and now instead of considering them heroes as we should be calling all soldiers that served in that war Union and Confederate, we got people demonizing the soldiers of the south and vandalizing the monuments dedicated to them and have white supremacists using them as a martyr in their hate filled ideologies. Robert E. Lee was no traitor, he was a proud Virginian that served his state when duty called and later contributed to helping end that brutal war between the states saving thousands of lives from joining the estimated 650,000+ Americans that died in that conflict and to restore the union and relations between states.
Very informative thank you and keep em coming
So many people point out that he was a man of his time and that is why he supported The institution of slavery and and or states rights to self determination. Well there were a lot of men and women at this time who did not support the institution of slavery. Who were willing to die and or go to jail because they saw slavery for what it was. Because Lee had spent time in the north he would’ve met educated, well spoken African-Americans. He chose to ignore that. They were not better off being beaten and raped and exploited in America as opposed to being in Africa. He he may have been a great general, but he failed at being a great man.
In his beloved Virginia the inhabitants are trying to remove all traces of his legacy.
It’s sad that we all are doing this. I understand why, when you have every educational institution lying about him and corporate shills and legacy media lying about him, then it makes sense. It’s a sad moment in US history
Good
Oh jeez... there's a God damn difference between "removing all traces" and not glorifying. You are what intellectual disfigurement sounds like.
@@brettgoldberg6026 And why shouldn’t we glorify the man?! He was a standup man Who did what he thought was right all of his life! What can you say about yourself my friend I ask you if we can’t look up to this man who can we look up to
His legacy is that of the commander general for the half of the nation that wanted to split off so they could own slaves. People just think that legacy is undeserving of statues
My family catches more grief now then back then I think ,it's very sad
interesting man greatly appreciated
Need a Nathan Bedford Forrest bio
Let's talk about his day job as a slave trader.
Forrest was the best fighter on either side
Really enjoyed listening to this, very detailed
I wonder how many other American military legends come from Virginia
Of course there’s George Washington
But a good amount of people obviously also remember Chesty Puller
I wonder how many other big names came from Virginia, and commanded in later wars
Geo. Patton was born in California, but the family was originally from Culpepper Co, Virginia.
That's one reason I love living there. So much history from even before the us revolution onward.
@@rpm1796 George Patton was frequently visited by John S Mosby, another Virginia man and rebel partisan during his youth as Mosby was a family friend.
Both Founding Fathers James Madison and Thomas Jefferson is from Virginia
There's many why idk but obviously it's a very great state who's very loyal to amercia. Idk if it's the same to be honest I'm more into world politics not amercian. Because In my opinion everything here has been going down for many many years
He was a true hero too Robert e Lee like so many heroes of that time ND area
Lee fought valently for a bad cause and lost.
Very true...
Should Lee have remained in the Union army, instead of fighting for the slave holding South is a complex question. I believe the civil war was fought over tariffs imposed by the north and states rights, not slavery. However, I believe the south should have first freed the slaves, then succeeded.
You might want to tell that to all the slave holding states that said they were leaving because they wanted to keep slavery. Its all in writing.
Where can I find it in writing that the South left the union because they wanted to keep their slaves?
the best friend i ever had was a yank from Ohio we were retired and fished almost daily im 87 now he died about 15 yrs ago so we can get along if we try
Awesome Factual Video
One of the most misunderstood Americans of all time he really is an American hero
When I was 16 and in my sophomore year of high school, on the first day my history teacher had us write a short paper on which historical figure we admired most. I chose Lee and in the nearly 50 years that have elapsed since, my opinion has not changed.
You admire a racist slaver who killed Americans?
You were correct then and now.
When you lie, look em in the eye, and never admit your wrong! Don't give em the satisfaction 😉 yeah, I get it 😂🤮
@@williambell2188 Wrong! You get a big fat ( F )
Used to live in Richmond, must be very dull looking now all statues are down. Might have been better to leave them but put plaques up explaining why the civil war was wrong.
Good presentation. My understanding is that Lee initially served as commander of the forces of Virginia; taking over command of 1 army after Joseph Johnston's wounding. Lee did not become commander of all Confederate forces until January or February 1865.
The comments on this video are going to be quite entertaining.
@John the Confederate Or maybe, just hear me out, if people didn't decide at some point they were the superior race and enslave/exterminate and disenfranchise others we wouldn't have CRT in schools either.
@@tsdobbi facts
CRT is only taught in college to ADULTS. Try again, "genius." Keep spreading trash lies. You can't dictate what your kids are taught when they become ADULTS.
They are all refighting The Civil War all over again?! It was a war for a reason ...SOME on this thread forget that?