Spectacular video and a fantastic how to for the newbie and a timely reminder for the more experienced. An awesome part of the world which looks just as stunning wet or dry
best way to get a car wash :D thing about water crossings isn't so much how deep but how fast its moving, fast moving water can push the vehicle off the track. great vid, keep it up!
Unfortunately i live in Croc territory and i will not walk a lot of crossings, my life is worth more than my car if i happened to flood it. Anywhoo, amazing scenery!
Awesome to see you guys back out on the tracks, that area looks amazing. I really hope to get out that way eventually, although it's a bit of a hike from NSW.
Great river crossing advice, only other suggestion I would make is to wind the windows down and take seat belts off before entering the water. Easier to vacate the vehicle is something unexpectedly goes wrong.
Was off-roading for a couple of hours went through a river crossing water got sucked into the intake on the 4Runner opened the hood and checked my intake box and I had a loose clip that was not snapped on properly and water went in. Of course the 4runner is still alive ;)
Ronny, that was amazing and only last month I watched another WA youtuber do this exact area with 2 others towing campers and they were stuck in during the rain and had water over bonnet on way out... Hats off to you , something that is good to know you can do but I am not that brave..
As always great content. I understand the camera car (prado) isn’t normal featured but it would be good to see more of it especially like this video. Just a idea. Continue with the content you love to create cheers
Awesome country! Quite different from where I live, Yukon, Canada. Would love to take some of the trips you guys show us. Keep up the good work, excellent channel.
This is one of the best scenic videos you have posted. Fantastic shots of both of your water crossing. Wonder if you considered prestaging your winch line and identified a winch point prior to the crossing.
I did a tire pressure/ground surface area test on my old cooper 235/85 tires. At 2,5bar: 17x19cm and at 0,5bar: 17x24cm. So about 100cm² extra per tire. Would be interesting if you guys could do some similar tests with different weights and tires.
Love ya videos Ronny and keep them coming brother. I hope to do my first endeavours next year from South Australia up to West Coast on a tight budget Happy days
I watched this video twice. Great. Wonderful scenery, exciting driving. Unfortunately such footage is almost impossible to get without a camera team. Your entire camera crew is doing a great job. Congratulations for their excellent job. By the way, I wonder why you do not seem to be worried about any crocs or snakes when you walk through these waters or rivers. In Australia I would not go into any water, lake or river. I guess I would pee my pants.
Yeah, deep crossing make you shake a bit. Crossing the Goyder years ago the water was over the Landy's bonnet. Had a tarp across the front to keep the water out.
You can see how top heavy Torb's rig is the way it slowly leans around while driving on those boulders. His roof top tent is comfy but I don't reckon it's the way I'd go myself
Wow that was some deep water!! Not sure I’ve got the minerals to try and cross something that deep, maybe if my Hilux was better kitted and prepped for it. Amazing video, look forward to the next one. Wondered how long it takes to dry out the interiors? 👌🏼😎👏🏻👏🏻
Hey Ronny, I’m new to the 4WD scene. How do you go about getting water out of the footwell of your vehicle? I’ve just bought a new dual cab, and I’ve not yet found a video saying how to address this matter. Love the videos!
I would if you knew you were doing an insane crossing like this. as long as you have a safe way to catch the oil you drain and secure it till you can bring it to a recycling place. My diffs got destroyed from mud and water getting in and overheating due to bad oil
It is good to see Torb again! I see both of you are running the Maxis Razrs now. I've been looking at getting a pair next. Are they a sponsor, or just that good? I guess it could be both!
@@torbs_littlebear Thanks for the reply. It seems like everything is going great and you guys are staying busy! I guess my next set of tires will be a pair.
Incase Ronnie dosnt see you, That rain was in april/may/june. It is super rare to get soo much winter rain there, Last time it was like that I believe was 2005
Prado footage please, a more 'normal' car ;). Ronnie something I noticed is your videos need a low pass filter to remove the sub bass, every time you bump things etc it booms the sub hard. The scenary and editing is fantastic and looks amazing, but the audio needs that fix to sound professional.
Ronny, does a top mount intercooler cause any issues with deep water coming over the hood/bonnet? Excuse my ignorance on the topic, being from Tennessee, we don’t have these Toyotas available. All of our vehicles are front mount coolers. It seems front mounts would flush the debris through as momentum is assisting. Does the top mount trap debris and clog as it’s more gravity than momentum flow.
Great video as usual , just a question would you have your snatch strap hooked up ready go and wrap it around the bullbar just in case something went wrong? Just means Torbs has to goes first.
F that. I had an axle breather hose pop off due to suspension flex and sucked in mud and water into my diff. Diff needs an overhaul kit, no worries planned on a regear anyways 🤣
wow what a trip, the water xings had me on edge of my chair. auz . taz , new Zealand on my bucket list ,after Alaska , Canada and baja callif lil closer for me to drive.not sure of overland -car camper to build like the Toyota 4 runner size wagon .if it can carry xtra fuel and payload. to bad Toyota cant sale the new LC300,70 series diesel"s in the US we do get a pardo / lexus GX 460 v8 gas hog and v6 gas LC300 sold as. lexus LX600 both are more luxury 3row wagons
Ever encountered dingos when in the swag? I worked in the Pilbara for years and the dingos around camp and site where fine but elsewhere I wouldn’t go near them.
Love seeing the Pilbra, love hearing the V8's.. keep it coming gents... Just curious, why does a petrol vehicle need a car bra and not a diesel when doing water crossings?
No crocodiles there I assume, but what do you do there if it is a 🐊 environment? Slowly go in and back out if trouble shows or tie yourself to another vehicle just in case?
SO you recommend a bra for petrol engines but don't use one in your diesel. I thought the idea was that the bra assists the bow wave and the clearance inside the engine bay. Yes that may help with electrics but surely the main thing is the wave rebound on the fan? Enjoy your stuff mate!
Hey Ronny, I've heard this story too many times, diff (or gearbox) is hot and in contact with water will get cold thus sucking water in. It doesn't make any sense.. can you please study the phenomenon and let us know the thruth? I know it sounds right, but it can't be, when it's hot it's dilated, getting cold will get it constricting therefor PUSHING air out and not sucking anything in.. I don't know, I may be wrong but can you please study it a bit more for us?? Thank you
The issue is not the diff itself (which has a negligible size change) but the air inside it. That air cools down massively as the diff itself is cooled and draws more air (or water) in through the breather.
@@dustyhats Hi Dale, thanks for the explanation but I feel it's somehow the same thing, I can't grasp the physics behind.. Inside being a hot mist of air and oil which can't be dilated because it's not under pressure
Oh wait, I think I understand your answer Dale, so the air getting cold will shrink but because there's water sealing the valve the pressure inside drops to the point it'll suck water! Gee.. thanks Dale :-)
With water crossing should you follow manufacturer guideline? Mine say 600mm water limit but my air box is like 1.5m from ground and I have snorkels and diff breathers. 600mm is not that high but I am sure I can go higher. Don't know If I should risk it but.
Letting evrything cool sounds like a good idea. Do you change all of thebfluids after a trip that involves water crossings? It looks like quite the adventure, but my "adventure vehicle is also my daily driver. There is no way I'd take my daily driver through deep water. I don't want the carpet, seat, interior being soaked for weeks from the water getting in. Mold, mildew, rust...no thanks.
I've always thought if you drive through deep water (not really over the front end but well over the bottom of the doors) that you should have all windows UP & the air blower on low speed to create positive pressure inside to help keep most of the water from coming in. /Just an old dog using old tricks!
Had a friend swept away (not his fault) a massive surge came as he was half way through, windows were down luckily he would be dead if they were up, electrics stopped. You do have a point, but i will never have mine up!
Common misconception, the only way you will create positive pressure in the cabin with the blower is if you have the fresh air vent open instead of on recycle, and all windows shut-but that is risky given the height of the fresh air inlet. If you have recycle on, then it’s just moving air around within the cabin, not changing inside/outside relative pressure at all.
JJ's Adv if it’s actually a broad ADR by design and not just poor sealing, I’d like to see it. If so I suspect it would not be too many years/decades old as most cars leaked too much air for oxygen depletion to matter-most probably still do. What you are also saying is that even if you turn fresh air off and turn on recycle, that water submersion over the fresh air in vent will allow considerable (20%) water in. I’m doubtful, and older blowers and vent systems I’ve had apart are not like this-even if they don’t seal perfectly.
@@ontic2354 Fair enough.. do some Googling.. around 20% is brought in from outside in various ways. But recirct isn't 100% recirc.. The vent entries are normally in front of the windscreen, and yes, if you get that deep, water will come in.
Ronny your shows are excellent, your reviews are excellent, you've made it, just get rid of the muscle singlet you dont need it looks lame. You now have genuine credibility on the content of your shows. Thinking it through a bit more, re merchandizing gear, the hat you wear is a good look and sunsmart, that would work with a logo, some sort of outback-camping practical with pockets sun-smart shirt with your logo could also work??? A winter one for cold conditions and a summer one for hot conditions ?
@@rawnature8148 Agreed and I have suggested it. Matts Offroad Recovery replied to my comment and said they would, and they have! This was a couple of years ago when they had 100k subs
Why don't you guys use a sail/canvas cover over the front of the car - or remove the fan belt. Who knows how close you came to tearing up your radiator with the fan...
Oh yesssss, just like old times. V8 rumblings, river crossings, camping. I’m in heaven 🏴🏴
Would have loved to see how the Prado was doing, especially in comparison! But amazing video! Greeting from Perth!
Great video! Did the Prado do the crossings?
I would agree with this one
Was also very interested to see if Chris car made it through okay.
yes, i wondered about the Prado too!!!
All, love to see a separate videos of Chris's car doing a lot of these trips.
Spectacular video and a fantastic how to for the newbie and a timely reminder for the more experienced. An awesome part of the world which looks just as stunning wet or dry
Appreciate the subtitles, it's a nice addition.
Beautiful spot. Thanks for the vid.
Great to see the trips again. Wow how good is the Pilbara. Be good to see Wayne back out on the occasional trip.
Thanks
Utterly stunning up there. Incredible country. Great watch boys.
Epic Water Crossings!
Needed every bit of lift and tyre that day.
Well done guys. You sure have some stones
Dear God I wish we had these 70 series in the states 😢 😫
Import one buddy - be one of the few! Our farmers use them all over the country and have for 40 years doing hard work and 1,000,000, km's
What a spectacular crossing... awesome mate...!!
That campfire. Ah man i miss that. Can sit around a fire for hours and hours.
best way to get a car wash :D
thing about water crossings isn't so much how deep but how fast its moving, fast moving water can push the vehicle off the track.
great vid, keep it up!
Unfortunately i live in Croc territory and i will not walk a lot of crossings, my life is worth more than my car if i happened to flood it.
Anywhoo, amazing scenery!
Awesome to see you guys back out on the tracks, that area looks amazing. I really hope to get out that way eventually, although it's a bit of a hike from NSW.
Possibly in about 4wks maybe 🤫😁
Great river crossing advice, only other suggestion I would make is to wind the windows down and take seat belts off before entering the water. Easier to vacate the vehicle is something unexpectedly goes wrong.
I camped here last week in the Prado. That last crossing is still bloody deep! Epic camp spot, doesn't get much better than that.
Love these rainy trips
Was off-roading for a couple of hours went through a river crossing water got sucked into the intake on the 4Runner opened the hood and checked my intake box and I had a loose clip that was not snapped on properly and water went in. Of course the 4runner is still alive ;)
Great piece, thanks.
Great video thanks Ronny and Torbs
Wow, that's just so awesome to watch! I would never have the balls to try such a deep water fording with my own truck.
Bloody hell Ronny, did you see that weirdo hiding behind the rocks @ 3:34 or was that Kilroy of the Pilbara Mate.?
gotta hide those extra cameramen better 🙂
Nice video! And thanks for uploading in 4K, looks great!
bloody beautiful fellas. cheers
thanks for videos
Nerve wracking- well done!
would love to see more camera car Prado action!
Gotta add Pilbura to my bucket list!
Ronny, that was amazing and only last month I watched another WA youtuber do this exact area with 2 others towing campers and they were stuck in during the rain and had water over bonnet on way out... Hats off to you , something that is good to know you can do but I am not that brave..
Where do you think he got the idea....
As always great content. I understand the camera car (prado) isn’t normal featured but it would be good to see more of it especially like this video. Just a idea. Continue with the content you love to create cheers
Looks amazing wish I was driving there too
Great video, Ronny and Torbs!
Thanks for the great video
Greetings from south africa 🇿🇦
awesome! Trust Ronny.
Great video. Enjoying these videos. Keep it up Ronny.
Would love to do a trip like this 👍 unfortunately I'm in South Wales and not New South Wales. I'm in old South Wales in the UK 🙄🤣
Awesome country! Quite different from where I live, Yukon, Canada. Would love to take some of the trips you guys show us. Keep up the good work, excellent channel.
Yukon is beautiful
Great place guys!
This is one of the best scenic videos you have posted. Fantastic shots of both of your water crossing. Wonder if you considered prestaging your winch line and identified a winch point prior to the crossing.
"Supposed to be dry season" LOL, it has all changed, the weather can't be relied on any more. I miss the Pilbara so much.
I did a tire pressure/ground surface area test on my old cooper 235/85 tires. At 2,5bar: 17x19cm and at 0,5bar: 17x24cm. So about 100cm² extra per tire. Would be interesting if you guys could do some similar tests with different weights and tires.
Love ya videos Ronny and keep them coming brother.
I hope to do my first endeavours next year from South Australia up to West Coast on a tight budget
Happy days
I watched this video twice. Great. Wonderful scenery, exciting driving. Unfortunately such footage is almost impossible to get without a camera team. Your entire camera crew is doing a great job. Congratulations for their excellent job. By the way, I wonder why you do not seem to be worried about any crocs or snakes when you walk through these waters or rivers. In Australia I would not go into any water, lake or river. I guess I would pee my pants.
Spent years up there pulling a triple, never really got to see the "locations". Maybe in a few years I will be able to tour over there in my 80
Great video mate really helpful! I’d love to know where that armrest cushion with pockets came from? Been looking for one for ages now! Cheers!
Wow!
We where there 2weeks ago with our camperr .it was one of the best places we have ever camped
that's pretty deep ! 🌄🏜️🏞️📹🛻😎🤙
We did it in our triton and rear fold .
Fantastic video Mates. Your trucks are awesome.
Glad you enjoyed it
12’30” 👌
Living the life, would love to be able to have a 70-series over here in europe :)
Yeah, deep crossing make you shake a bit. Crossing the Goyder years ago the water was over the Landy's bonnet. Had a tarp across the front to keep the water out.
You can see how top heavy Torb's rig is the way it slowly leans around while driving on those boulders. His roof top tent is comfy but I don't reckon it's the way I'd go myself
Awesome river crossing! I still laugh out loud at the other channel when he made a dramatic 'river crossing' that was like ankle deep.
Wow that was some deep water!! Not sure I’ve got the minerals to try and cross something that deep, maybe if my Hilux was better kitted and prepped for it. Amazing video, look forward to the next one. Wondered how long it takes to dry out the interiors? 👌🏼😎👏🏻👏🏻
Nice 👍👍👍👍👍
Yay!
awesome!
amazing video :) as always. 1 thing i just would change :P at least with my defender and discovery i would not drive in deep water with lights on :))
Get yourself an RC boat with sonar!
Hey Ronny, I’m new to the 4WD scene. How do you go about getting water out of the footwell of your vehicle?
I’ve just bought a new dual cab, and I’ve not yet found a video saying how to address this matter.
Love the videos!
Ronny, the look on your face with some of those crossings I would say you had sphincta lock.
Awesome video! Any problems with electrics behind the back seat with water coming in the cab?
Not at all, no water came in was just in the doors
Question: Do you ever bring spare oils/fluids incase something goes wrong?
I would if you knew you were doing an insane crossing like this. as long as you have a safe way to catch the oil you drain and secure it till you can bring it to a recycling place. My diffs got destroyed from mud and water getting in and overheating due to bad oil
What headunit is Torbs running?
It is good to see Torb again! I see both of you are running the Maxis Razrs now. I've been looking at getting a pair next. Are they a sponsor, or just that good? I guess it could be both!
Yeah its been an interesting year or two with our adventure trips especially with the new TV series.
The maxis razors are the ducks nuts
@@torbs_littlebear Thanks for the reply. It seems like everything is going great and you guys are staying busy! I guess my next set of tires will be a pair.
Hi Ronny, great video. What time of year was this please? I love all the colours of the scenery.
Incase Ronnie dosnt see you,
That rain was in april/may/june. It is super rare to get soo much winter rain there, Last time it was like that I believe was 2005
Yep, most of it was late May. We had record-breaking May rainfall in Karratha.
@@jarradblair1793 Thanks Jarrad, i thought it was around that time.
Prado footage please, a more 'normal' car ;). Ronnie something I noticed is your videos need a low pass filter to remove the sub bass, every time you bump things etc it booms the sub hard. The scenary and editing is fantastic and looks amazing, but the audio needs that fix to sound professional.
Noted I’ll have to watch back on a TV with sound system to hear that
Yes, Prado footage please!!
Ronny, does a top mount intercooler cause any issues with deep water coming over the hood/bonnet? Excuse my ignorance on the topic, being from Tennessee, we don’t have these Toyotas available. All of our vehicles are front mount coolers. It seems front mounts would flush the debris through as momentum is assisting. Does the top mount trap debris and clog as it’s more gravity than momentum flow.
Great video as usual , just a question would you have your snatch strap hooked up ready go and wrap it around the bullbar just in case something went wrong? Just means Torbs has to goes first.
go to iceland and see off road mate LUL but this is still a LOVELY video :D
Who makes that neat elbow rest/bag on your driver door around the 2min mark?
Onestone armrests
@@torbs_littlebear those are cool but not the same arm rest.
If you mean the ine in Ronnys car he'll be hopefully making them in coming months and selling them on the merch store
F that. I had an axle breather hose pop off due to suspension flex and sucked in mud and water into my diff. Diff needs an overhaul kit, no worries planned on a regear anyways 🤣
wow what a trip, the water xings had me on edge of my chair. auz . taz , new Zealand on my bucket list ,after Alaska , Canada and baja callif lil closer for me to drive.not sure of overland -car camper to build like the Toyota 4 runner size wagon .if it can carry xtra fuel and payload. to bad Toyota cant sale the new LC300,70 series diesel"s in the US we do get a pardo / lexus GX 460 v8 gas hog and v6 gas LC300 sold as. lexus LX600 both are more luxury 3row wagons
Ever encountered dingos when in the swag? I worked in the Pilbara for years and the dingos around camp and site where fine but elsewhere I wouldn’t go near them.
We've never had them come up close. They seem to either keep their distance or just nick off
after that super deep crossing you should turn the engine off mate and check everything.
Just noticed the fuel filler cap height on those crossings. How well do them seal?
Good I hope 😳
(11:42) What's the name of this place please Ronny..
3.34 crew spotted in foreground
Love seeing the Pilbra, love hearing the V8's.. keep it coming gents...
Just curious, why does a petrol vehicle need a car bra and not a diesel when doing water crossings?
That would be due to the carbie, electric leads etc
@@torbs_littlebear Id agree on an older model perhaps but not sure same logic applies to modern fuel injected petrols. Would it?
No crocodiles there I assume, but what do you do there if it is a 🐊 environment? Slowly go in and back out if trouble shows or tie yourself to another vehicle just in case?
Do you seal the valve in the bottom of the airbox Ronnie?
Yes I carry one that’s open too but the one in is sealed
3min 33s, what is moving bottom right of frame? Great video guys.
Cameraman…don’t know why they trying to hide the fact there is another vehicle on the trip…(of what I watched so far)
Edit: bottom left
@@marka6591 yeah I've never understood why they do that either.
SO you recommend a bra for petrol engines but don't use one in your diesel. I thought the idea was that the bra assists the bow wave and the clearance inside the engine bay. Yes that may help with electrics but surely the main thing is the wave rebound on the fan?
Enjoy your stuff mate!
Does the other cruiser have parabolic leaves
It sure does
@@torbs_littlebear what do you think of them??
@@brendanmccormick984 closest you'll get to springs thats for sure.
Absolutely love em
When water crossing I keep my winch line clipped to my roof rack so I'm not diving to get.
Deep water? Inflatable pontoons, sliders, ratchet straps, and hitch mounted trolling motor. What could go wrong? 🤪
Where can i get a kickass arm rest like that?
Hopefully we will stock them soon on our merch site
@@Ronny_Dahl someone got into my 70 and that armest was the only thing they took. I loved that thing.
Hey Ronny, I've heard this story too many times, diff (or gearbox) is hot and in contact with water will get cold thus sucking water in. It doesn't make any sense.. can you please study the phenomenon and let us know the thruth? I know it sounds right, but it can't be, when it's hot it's dilated, getting cold will get it constricting therefor PUSHING air out and not sucking anything in.. I don't know, I may be wrong but can you please study it a bit more for us?? Thank you
The issue is not the diff itself (which has a negligible size change) but the air inside it. That air cools down massively as the diff itself is cooled and draws more air (or water) in through the breather.
@@dustyhats Hi Dale, thanks for the explanation but I feel it's somehow the same thing, I can't grasp the physics behind.. Inside being a hot mist of air and oil which can't be dilated because it's not under pressure
Oh wait, I think I understand your answer Dale, so the air getting cold will shrink but because there's water sealing the valve the pressure inside drops to the point it'll suck water! Gee.. thanks Dale :-)
@@danghita4386 Yes, you are correct. I had a look for a video that demonstrates the effect and found this one: ua-cam.com/video/1S7Qd04oL-o/v-deo.html
With water crossing should you follow manufacturer guideline? Mine say 600mm water limit but my air box is like 1.5m from ground and I have snorkels and diff breathers. 600mm is not that high but I am sure I can go higher. Don't know If I should risk it but.
If you have a snorkel and diff breathers you should be fine. Keep in mind the transfer case also has a breather hose
Check your seals on your firewall as that can be an issue
The limits are not only for intakes , often electrics too.
Don't you guys have crocodiles over there?
On heater,wearing singlet 😬
singlet wet trying to dry ;)
@@Ronny_Dahl gotcha...God bless you in your journey Ronny
Letting evrything cool sounds like a good idea. Do you change all of thebfluids after a trip that involves water crossings?
It looks like quite the adventure, but my "adventure vehicle is also my daily driver. There is no way I'd take my daily driver through deep water. I don't want the carpet, seat, interior being soaked for weeks from the water getting in. Mold, mildew, rust...no thanks.
What if it were snakes or crocodiles in the water? this guy walks in there like its a pool😢
I've always thought if you drive through deep water (not really over the front end but well over the bottom of the doors) that you should have all windows UP & the air blower on low speed to create positive pressure inside to help keep most of the water from coming in.
/Just an old dog using old tricks!
Had a friend swept away (not his fault) a massive surge came as he was half way through, windows were down luckily he would be dead if they were up, electrics stopped.
You do have a point, but i will never have mine up!
Common misconception, the only way you will create positive pressure in the cabin with the blower is if you have the fresh air vent open instead of on recycle, and all windows shut-but that is risky given the height of the fresh air inlet. If you have recycle on, then it’s just moving air around within the cabin, not changing inside/outside relative pressure at all.
@@ontic2354 Even on recycle at least 20% is fresh/outside.. this is so you don't deplete oxygen. Its probably an ADR
JJ's Adv if it’s actually a broad ADR by design and not just poor sealing, I’d like to see it. If so I suspect it would not be too many years/decades old as most cars leaked too much air for oxygen depletion to matter-most probably still do. What you are also saying is that even if you turn fresh air off and turn on recycle, that water submersion over the fresh air in vent will allow considerable (20%) water in. I’m doubtful, and older blowers and vent systems I’ve had apart are not like this-even if they don’t seal perfectly.
@@ontic2354 Fair enough.. do some Googling.. around 20% is brought in from outside in various ways. But recirct isn't 100% recirc.. The vent entries are normally in front of the windscreen, and yes, if you get that deep, water will come in.
Ronny your shows are excellent, your reviews are excellent, you've made it, just get rid of the muscle singlet you dont need it looks lame. You now have genuine credibility on the content of your shows. Thinking it through a bit more, re merchandizing gear, the hat you wear is a good look and sunsmart, that would work with a logo, some sort of outback-camping practical with pockets sun-smart shirt with your logo could also work??? A winter one for cold conditions and a summer one for hot conditions ?
Are you saying you'd rather see Ronny without a shirt? He's got to wear something to stop the seat belt from chafing.
@@MarkRose1337 Yes maybe you are correct, I didnt think it thru enough
First. :)
Ronnie, it would be a nice courtesy for American viewers to put units in imperial as well as metric. E.g. 1600km / 1000 miles
It would be courteous for you tubers from the USA to use the metric system given only 4 countries in the world don't use metric.
@@rawnature8148 Agreed and I have suggested it. Matts Offroad Recovery replied to my comment and said they would, and they have! This was a couple of years ago when they had 100k subs
Why don't you guys use a sail/canvas cover over the front of the car - or remove the fan belt. Who knows how close you came to tearing up your radiator with the fan...