Another Shadow of the Erdtree Miyazaki Interview

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  • Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
  • A third Miyazaki interview by Famitsu. It has key information that the other two missed.
    0:00 Intro
    0:30 Marika's past
    1:07 Veil in the sky
    2:17 Messmer's heroic concept
    4:19 Why is it so big?
    5:14 Recommended level
    6:03 Alternate ending?
    6:32 Sekiro gameplay elements
    8:16 Weapons
    9:22 Shadow land pre-existing culture
    10:00 How does he feel
    Rykard's heroic concept: • Praetor Rykard's Heroi...
    Godrick's heroic concept: • Godrick The Golden's H...
    Radhan heroic concept: • General Radahn's Heroi...
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  • @123alexkong
    @123alexkong 3 місяці тому +720

    Interviewer: What is the relationship between Miquella and Mesmer?
    Miyazaki: Yes, there will be swamps in the DLC.

    • @moonsama395
      @moonsama395 3 місяці тому +6

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @wallyslow
      @wallyslow 3 місяці тому +5

      they are the same.

    • @MottenManOne
      @MottenManOne 3 місяці тому +8

      You either live for the swamp or die in the swamp

    • @VALIS-ke8pn
      @VALIS-ke8pn 3 місяці тому +11

      Miyazaki: We are born of the swamp, made men by the swamp, undone by the swamp; Fear the poison swamp!

    • @ArnoldJudasRimmer..
      @ArnoldJudasRimmer.. 3 місяці тому +2

      Mesmers lair is deep in a Deathblight Swamp....

  • @MonsterTurner1
    @MonsterTurner1 3 місяці тому +892

    Miyazaki: “Mesmer…Also one of the heroes”
    Tarnished: Are we the baddies?

    • @moosiemoose1337
      @moosiemoose1337 3 місяці тому +150

      Nah, impossible.
      Ranni wouldn't lie to me.

    • @turkN9NE
      @turkN9NE 3 місяці тому +34

      the chosen one was the antagonist....arguably

    • @SolarzFFA
      @SolarzFFA 3 місяці тому +71

      @@moosiemoose1337I mean she only turned Godwyn into a fucking tree branch😂

    • @leojordan1523
      @leojordan1523 3 місяці тому +30

      you think Godrick is a "hero"? i think that comment more likely means that the bosses are "grand" and "imposing" or somthin like that. cause i for sure know godrick hasnt really done anything good in the lands between, ever lol

    • @DefineHatespeech
      @DefineHatespeech 3 місяці тому

      Those runebears were just minding their own business leading happy lives, until we started terrorizing Limgrave.
      Face it, we’re an invasive criminal species

  • @ervin264
    @ervin264 3 місяці тому +442

    Edgar Allan Poe wrote about mesmerism in terms of a journey to the land of shadow, clearly the inspiration for the setting of the dlc

    • @bengorham1605
      @bengorham1605 3 місяці тому +43

      This is insane… I hope rat sees this comment specifically because I’m looking into mesmerism right now and it’s so related it’s not even funny

    • @ervin264
      @ervin264 3 місяці тому +52

      ​@@bengorham1605there is also a part where is stated that body and mind can't be truly cut, since Godwin didn't have a closure in the main game my hopes are rekindled once again. Also being mesmerized by someone is being fascinated by someone so messmer alter ego of miquella or even better part of the duality of miquella alongside st Trina makes a lot of sense

    • @swordam1063
      @swordam1063 3 місяці тому +2

      Very important wow

    • @SaHaRaSquad
      @SaHaRaSquad 3 місяці тому +13

      Also while Messmer having a staff as weapon and a snake might be just due to other reasons, it seems to have parallels to the original form of the caduceus symbol for medicine, which had a cult around it that interpreted dreams and visions.

    • @Kebin13
      @Kebin13 3 місяці тому +7

      ​@@SaHaRaSquadthat is NOT a staff, thats a spear, dude is called messmer the impaler, its pretty obvious he is suposed to be also based on vlad.

  • @Krcncs
    @Krcncs 3 місяці тому +729

    Hidetaka is actually an incredibly Humble human, this is probably why his work reflects greatness.

  • @bongwater113
    @bongwater113 3 місяці тому +214

    “I make games not just for work, but also for my purpose in life…” we need more people like Miyazaki who genuinely have passion for the games they create. We have too many developers nowadays that just make games to get paid.

    • @TheSoijohn
      @TheSoijohn 3 місяці тому +26

      I woul agree only to say that the people at the top need to have more passion for the creation of their games while the developers actually working on it need to get payed fairly

    • @Mil1nk
      @Mil1nk 3 місяці тому +17

      the majority of developers make games because its their passion. Gamedev is severely underpaid so "We have too many developers nowadays that just make games to get paid." is just completely false.
      The biggest issue we have are large companies who do not care about making good games and only care about making money; And while they are doing this they are exploiting the passion of the developers and justifying low wages and suboptimal working conditions (crunch, layoffs, etc.).
      Do you really think people would pursue a job in games in the industry that had a RECORD YEAR (!!!) in sales but a record year in layoffs at the same time, if it were only to make money?

    • @nundulan
      @nundulan 3 місяці тому +6

      Shit genuinely made me tear up hearing such passion from someone in gamedev. Fucking love that man fr.

    • @fulltimeslackerii8229
      @fulltimeslackerii8229 3 місяці тому +3

      @@nundulanstop the glazing

    • @mikeharris6429
      @mikeharris6429 3 місяці тому +6

      @@fulltimeslackerii8229your comment is as unnecessary as your continued existence.

  • @gabrieldehyrule
    @gabrieldehyrule 3 місяці тому +162

    The Japanese IGN interview also says that Messmer is a son of Marika that has been deleted from the annals of history

    • @thepeanutter9972
      @thepeanutter9972 3 місяці тому +14

      Where have I heard that before?

    • @baseddrugdealer5086
      @baseddrugdealer5086 3 місяці тому +39

      @@thepeanutter9972Good Ol’ Nameless King!

    • @AydarBMSTU
      @AydarBMSTU 3 місяці тому +7

      A firstborn, huh? Also if he is her child and has a snake influence, could he be god devouring serpent's son, too?

    • @deondreduncan-mack8817
      @deondreduncan-mack8817 3 місяці тому +11

      @@AydarBMSTUhe’s the heretic of the erdtree

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest 3 місяці тому +6

      Screw Radahn and Malenia. Messmer is the true most powerful Demigod!

  • @apuffin9545
    @apuffin9545 3 місяці тому +350

    "Mother, wouldst thou truly lordship sanction in one so bereft of light?"
    He's talking about the player character, who was given lordship, or would be given lordship if they havent completed the game yet, by marika.
    According to the gladiators helm, snakes are the enemy of the erdtree and he has 2 snakes adorning him. Imo it lines up for him to be the spurned offspring of marika and radagon that was banished into the shadowrealm after commiting some sin against the erdtree and that's why he isn't mentioned in the base game.
    There's also the 3 butterflies, the 2 that represent malenia and miquella and the third smoldering butterfly that people speculated represented melina. I think, however, given messmers relation to fire it's likely that it represents him. Id also speculate that his sin against the erdtree is him burning it, or attempting to.

    • @skinless5136
      @skinless5136 3 місяці тому +18

      OR he could be talking to the formless mother about Mohg becoming the lord of blood

    • @AbdullahKhan-pg4df
      @AbdullahKhan-pg4df 3 місяці тому +43

      So, this would be like how nameless king was erased from history in Dark Souls due to his alliance with dragons. In the same way, Messmer has been thrown away due to his alliance with the serpent.

    • @apuffin9545
      @apuffin9545 3 місяці тому +24

      ​@@skinless5136potentially, mohg would be dead at this point in the game though

    • @teopinzon6426
      @teopinzon6426 3 місяці тому +3

      Where is the spirit you're talking about? I looked around the Impalers catacombs area and couldn't find him

    • @laserduck6149
      @laserduck6149 3 місяці тому +4

      It's near the church iirc

  • @Delta5Qmp
    @Delta5Qmp 3 місяці тому +72

    I never realized that the name "The Lands Between" could also be called "The Interstice," another cool Berserk nod among the many many more.

  • @zoiyan
    @zoiyan 3 місяці тому +118

    The translation regarding Messmer being a child of Marika is worded oddly because machine translation and commas but it is correct. Miyazaki says he is an 'existence of the same rank' (同格の存在) as her other children and 'he can also be called a "child of Marika"" (彼も...“マリカの子”とも呼ばれています).
    Also "heroic story" is a translation of 英雄譚(eiyuutan) which is an epic or heroic tale. Kind of like the Epic of Gilgamesh. Stories (譚) of great men (英雄) doing extraordinary deeds, not necessarily typical heroes taking down evil. To the people of the Lands Between, the war against the giants could be a part of the Epic of Godfrey. Wasn't necessarily good as he massacred an entire race but it was a great deed in the eyes of his subjects.
    Gyateken is 逆手剣 which is actually sakate-ken = backhand-grip sword. So holding the sword upside down.

    • @quintonhoffert6526
      @quintonhoffert6526 3 місяці тому +17

      It basically comes down to a difference of interpretation of the word "heroic." In ancient times, a hero was someone (usually royalty and/or someone of semi-divine birth) who accomplished great deeds and had the power to force their will upon the world, triumphing over odds that would be impossible for a normal person. Nothing in that definition requires a hero to be a good person, or even someone with noble goals or motivations: it was just about their power and their unbreakable wills. Gilgamesh, whom you mentioned, is the perfect example. He was never a great person throughout the story, but the impossible deeds he accomplished cemented his legacy as a larger-than-life figure. The modern definition of heroism takes that ancient standard and applies moral standards to them: it's not enough that a hero embody the power to force their will upon the world, they must also embody the righteousness of the ruling culture.
      Disney's Hercules is a perfect encapsulation of the difference between the ancient and modern interpretations. All of the great deeds Hercules performs, such as slaying the Hydra, killing scores of legendary monsters, and becoming world famous (in ancient Greece at least), all qualify him as an ancient-style hero. However, none of those things make him a modern-style "true" hero. Being a "true" hero isn't just about the size of one's might, it's about the strength of their heart, and Hercules only becomes a "true" hero when he's willing to give up his own life to save the life of the one he loves.

    • @mikoajoffee8195
      @mikoajoffee8195 3 місяці тому +1

      Could you translate/explain the part about DLC non-influencing the main story then? I'm really surprised that it's implied that Miquella won't have his own ending

    • @ni9274
      @ni9274 3 місяці тому +1

      Can you explain what « offensive power »

    • @hunterterrat9105
      @hunterterrat9105 3 місяці тому

      based

    • @zoiyan
      @zoiyan 3 місяці тому +3

      @@ni9274 I haven't played Sekiro but 攻め力 is "attack power". I'm sure googling sekiro attack power will explain what it is better than I can.
      In the DLC along with the already established levels, there's an additional levelling system unique to the DLC. He didn't say what it was but that it was similar to Sekiro's attack power.
      The rest of his answer was him referring to "the freedom to challenge threats" from an earlier answer, that is in the DLC it remains unchanged from the main game for the player to decide for themself whether to challenge a boss at level 1 or to go off and raise their new DLC level thing before challenging them.

  • @rad_rex
    @rad_rex 3 місяці тому +328

    Ratatoskr: "Translation gonna be tough"
    Trailer : "I dare you to understand me"

    • @uncleol
      @uncleol 3 місяці тому +5

      The dialogues in the trailer made almost no sense at all. "Just what kind is Miquella doing here?" and "Wouldst thou truly lordship sanction?"

    • @Kenseigan
      @Kenseigan 3 місяці тому +9

      ​@@uncleolboth of those things are pretty clear tbh

    • @uncleol
      @uncleol 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Kenseigan To me they aren't really, and English is my first language. I had to use AI to explain to me what they meant lol

    • @Rubbish_
      @Rubbish_ 3 місяці тому +3

      @@uncleolWhen isolating them they make no sense but when the whole lines are played in their scenes it kinda just clicks. But it is incredibly cryptic to no surprise.

    • @backslash4141
      @backslash4141 3 місяці тому +11

      ​@uncleol the prior statement is using the term "kind" as a title sort of like if you called him "Miquella the Kind" and is asking the question "what is he doing in the shadow lands?"
      The latter satement is asking "you'd really give them the title of lord?" I believe intended as an insult to the strength of the player (a bit like margit saying "foul tarnished")
      Neither is difficult to understand.

  • @giano3715
    @giano3715 3 місяці тому +37

    "making games is his purpose in life."
    You will always have my support, and the passion in your games really show up. no wonder I never feel robbed playing FromSoft games.
    It's always an experience worth going through. over and over again

    • @popcornfilms1
      @popcornfilms1 3 місяці тому

      Zaki isn’t reading your comment here

    • @giano3715
      @giano3715 3 місяці тому +8

      @@popcornfilms1 he don't need to. he knows.

  • @giornogiovanna6910
    @giornogiovanna6910 3 місяці тому +61

    Well the dialog that Mesmmer says, "Mother, why wouldst thou sanction lordship to one so bereft of light" means in simple words, " Why would you allow someone so empty of grace(basically a tarnished) to become the lord". The only one who can sanction us becoming lord is Marika hence I believe he is indeed Marika's child, perhaps a bastard child

    • @Meizuken
      @Meizuken 3 місяці тому +12

      He has red hair, so probably Radagon and Marika's child.

    • @giornogiovanna6910
      @giornogiovanna6910 3 місяці тому +13

      @@Meizuken Marika's mysterious ability to bear children with herself 😂😂

    • @stradify1
      @stradify1 3 місяці тому +13

      Undoubtedly. This makes a lot of sense because their dynamic is similar to another set of 'triplets' in the game: Ranni, Radhan, and Rykard. Mesmmer is the "Rykard" to Malenia and Miquella: the heretical outcast associated with snakes

    • @barbodx9957
      @barbodx9957 3 місяці тому +3

      ​​​@@stradify1it would make sense, godfrey and marika have 3 children, radagon and rennala also have 3 children, radagon and marika are the only ones to have two children but mesmer being the third child makes it right.
      Also mesmer's name starts with "M" just like miquella and malenia.

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest 3 місяці тому +6

      Well he's actually a piece of a puzzle I was missing.
      Radahn, Rykard, Ranni is a trio.
      Malenia, Miquella, and people presumed Melina were also a trio.
      But it's not Melina. It's Messmer.

  • @SogonD.Zunatsu
    @SogonD.Zunatsu 3 місяці тому +117

    2:49 "メスメルが座っている椅子は、本編で“忌み王、モーゴット”との戦いの舞台にあった椅子と同じもので、彼もまたゴドリックやマレニア、ラダーン、ライカードなどと同格の存在であり、“マリカの子”とも呼ばれています。" I can confirm it does say Mesmer "can also be called a child of Marika".

    • @rad_rex
      @rad_rex 3 місяці тому +7

      Can it mean empyrean
      As all Markia child are demigods, empyrean....
      Edit: can it mean marika's grandchildren
      My theory, game theory is Mesmer is Miquella's son and inturn markia's grandson
      As to why i think that, in Bandi Namco tweet it stated, Miquella awaits return of his lord and Mesmer at same time ask if such lord can have MOTHER's lordship scantion who is so bereft of light.
      In all this mother is miquella and lord are us - tarnsihed

    • @YourEmperorStef
      @YourEmperorStef 3 місяці тому +4

      @@rad_rex They are not empureans all of them. Only Malenia, Miquella and Ranni. Since they are born of the same god (Radagon and Marika).

    • @justsomeone883
      @justsomeone883 3 місяці тому +5

      ​@@YourEmperorStef Ranni isn't from Radagon and Marika's brood,her mother is Queen Rennala,not Marika

    • @bobertastic6541
      @bobertastic6541 3 місяці тому +1

      @@justsomeone883 this is true but her father was Radagon, and her m pretty sure her grandmother would then be marika? (I forget some lore) so that’s like 75% the same god, which is probably close enough.

    • @daichitsukiji3057
      @daichitsukiji3057 3 місяці тому +1

      What about that "Gyateken" thing? Google translate is no help.

  • @voxploxx
    @voxploxx 3 місяці тому +108

    The Offensive Power mechanic totally seems like a work around to keep your level at the 150 meta, while still being able to get stronger in the dlc if youre having trouble. Awesome addition

    • @melissazadrozny5167
      @melissazadrozny5167 3 місяці тому +6

      I wonder if it will be a way for people to make their RL1 runs easier too.

    • @NoneK4
      @NoneK4 3 місяці тому

      ​@@melissazadrozny5167 They'll just do rune level 1 power level 1 or 0 runs

    • @user-bn1nh8bv5f
      @user-bn1nh8bv5f 3 місяці тому

      @@melissazadrozny5167Probably, there’s just something in my heart that makes want to hate on people who use these crutches

    • @glorytoukraine5524
      @glorytoukraine5524 3 місяці тому +15

      @@melissazadrozny5167 I don't think it'll make them easier. As Miyazaki said, those powerups don't work outside the DLC.

    • @glorytoukraine5524
      @glorytoukraine5524 3 місяці тому

      @@user-bn1nh8bv5f sounds like a you problem

  • @user-zp8kj2cl9g
    @user-zp8kj2cl9g 3 місяці тому +3

    "I make games not just for work, but also for my purpose in life"
    That's why Hidetaka Miyazaki is the goat

  • @TheSnoringGamer
    @TheSnoringGamer 3 місяці тому +9

    The separate scaling only within the DLC actually makes a lot of sense to me. You have to beat Mohg to get in, and this is such a late game area many builds have already reached their offensive soft caps by this point. Which would mean the difficulty curve of the DLC would have to be relatively flat, and you wouldn't get to experience much of a power or difficulty increase as you go along. So it sounds like they are sort of manufacturing a scaling curve to incentivise you not to skip all the side content.

  • @OD91MJ
    @OD91MJ 3 місяці тому +19

    Veil is also called a Baldachin….hmmm someone gives you a hug for a blessing.

  • @cruddddddddddddddd
    @cruddddddddddddddd 3 місяці тому +66

    That 'my purpose in life' comment. Good stuff.

    • @DefineHatespeech
      @DefineHatespeech 3 місяці тому +11

      His humbleness and being so thankful is probably why his work is so masterful; he doesn’t take his audience or his team for granted.
      That’s how you get such a masterful work of art for the finished product. More developers could learn from humble men like Miyazaki and his team.

    • @fulltimeslackerii8229
      @fulltimeslackerii8229 3 місяці тому +1

      @@DefineHatespeechjesus Christ just marry the guy. Literally every dev interview talks about time and talent of their company, this is literally nothing special

    • @Facepaint54
      @Facepaint54 3 місяці тому

      nothing wrong with appreciating the guy @@fulltimeslackerii8229

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      @bmocbruhistotle339 3 місяці тому

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    • @DefineHatespeech
      @DefineHatespeech 3 місяці тому +2

      @@fulltimeslackerii8229 Tell us you work for a AAA publisher without telling us you work for a AAA publisher.
      Jealousy is a disgusting trait; you proved why it’s necessary to give proofs to people who are humble.

  • @mmmmine5439
    @mmmmine5439 3 місяці тому +19

    The DLC's Japanese site also says that the new area is where the Erdtree was born and Marika became a god. Very, very cool stuff. It's amazing that we're getting all this without time travel, as this interview says. I'm very happy.
    I do still wonder what's up with the dying tree we see here, since I always assumed the Erdtree came from the primordial crucible, not that there was this weird intermediary.
    On top of that, if the Land of Shadows offers us the cultures of the Lands Between before Marika, we might see the Eochaid region that Elemer came from! More than that, we'll get more info on the Elden Ring before Destined Death was confined, and that may include the Gloam-Eyed Queen as well.
    But above all else, the implication I'm getting is that the Erdtree was so mighty, and the Order so strong, that it totally ripped apart reality. Since the interview says there is no story carry-through between the DLC and the main game....... this has some absolutely fascinating implications. Whatever Miquella is trying to accomplish, for whatever reason he guides us to this new world, it will be settled within this new world. Is he trying to fix that world with our help, or is Miyazaki using vague wording to say that although the main story and DLC won't intercept, an alternate ending *does* lie in the DLC? Otherwise I can't think of a reason Miquella would lead us there besides clearing out that shadow land. Maybe he intends to rule that place after we fell Messmer.... but that would break his promise to Malenia, right? That he'd return?

    • @maeziyon6751
      @maeziyon6751 3 місяці тому +5

      Yooo this just made me think up a theory. So we all are aware the Miquella having a bunch of similarities with Griffith from Berserk. One of the biggest story plot points to Berserk is Griffith combining the Astral plane and the Physical world, what if Miquella is attempting something similar. He wants to combine the shadow realm and lands between realm into one. Don’t forget that Miquella also attempted a ritual to presumably revive Godywn, what’s the ritual called one might ask? Eclipse. Shadow eclipsing the Erdtree? God the lord is getting DEEP.

    • @fulltimeslackerii8229
      @fulltimeslackerii8229 3 місяці тому +2

      Part of me wants to say that the shadow tree is the result you would see if you did the fia ending

  • @RKGrizz
    @RKGrizz 3 місяці тому +46

    No one mentioning the Briar spells on Messmer? He is holding flames with black tendrils in it, and Briar magic comes from an exiled criminal. You know, maybe the snake wielding demigod who is in the Shadow of the Erdtree instead of the Lands Between?

    • @Iseenotix
      @Iseenotix 3 місяці тому +5

      He's definitely connected to the giantsflame and that whole flame cult. The trident that can be seen around their camps are the exact same as the impaled giants in the mountaintops. And that same trident is the same as Mesmer's hilt visible in the trailer.

    • @theghosty99
      @theghosty99 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Iseenotix Also, he's known as Messmer the Impaler.

    • @Pie_Mastah
      @Pie_Mastah 3 місяці тому +2

      I always thought Messmer was related to the dragon communion since when he conjured they flame it looked like their seal. Plus the armour he wears looked like an altered version of the drake set

  • @rad_rex
    @rad_rex 3 місяці тому +61

    Whoa!
    So Elden tree is all glowing, humongous tree, so we can't see the shadow
    But this dlc is in its shadow which was missing from The Lands Between
    Quite a sick concept, I don't know why It took so long for me to figure out

    • @MikeTheD
      @MikeTheD 3 місяці тому +1

      It's pretty mind-bending and I didn't

    • @dawsonbusenbark3945
      @dawsonbusenbark3945 3 місяці тому

      This hadn't clicked for me before your comment, either 🤯

  • @milesdp1990
    @milesdp1990 3 місяці тому +152

    You missed an interview? Absolutely maidenless behavior.

    • @moosiemoose1337
      @moosiemoose1337 3 місяці тому +6

      Well rata is maidenless so it tracks.

    • @swaggitypigfig8413
      @swaggitypigfig8413 3 місяці тому +1

      He's a Rattata. Can they even have maidens? @@moosiemoose1337

  • @cornthdl
    @cornthdl 3 місяці тому +18

    I can’t believe the Lore dump we are getting from the trailer and the massive amounts direct from the main man!

    • @glorytoukraine5524
      @glorytoukraine5524 3 місяці тому +5

      He knew we'd dig through the 3 minute video like madmen anyway. Decided to give us some leads

  • @slembougacha1147
    @slembougacha1147 3 місяці тому +5

    miyazaki is so wholesome man, you can feel his passion for the craft. if every big developer had that same passion for making games as an artform and money wasnt a factor,, we'd live in an ideal world.

  • @draw2death421
    @draw2death421 3 місяці тому +15

    The lion being called a 'Dancing Lion' also seems to confirm it as indeed being inspired by the 'Lion Dance' aka those Costume Lions being puppetered by people to make them seem like Lions that well... dance.
    I love that! It also having omen horns is interesting because regular lion Guardians (Those grey maned Lions with blades you see for example in Castle Sol) also have them in Elden Ring wich makes me wonder if these Costumes are ment to celebrate the age of the Crucible.
    And considering we see aspect of the crucible: Wings. In the dlc makes me believe this is the case. The big Hippo, Dragon Rhino thing we see in the trailer also Explodes into Branches at one point wich again reflects to the Crucible era as we see on 'Crucible Knight Tree Helmet' and 'Silurias Tree' Great Spear.
    Makes me wonder if the Tree we see in Shadow of the erdtree is infact the erdtree descriped in 'Erdtree incantations' wich say that erdtree once flourished with Ambundace and in Aspects of the crucible that say 'Erdtrees Primal Vital Energies' .
    Perhaps the Tree was replaced as we hear the tree didint allways Glow like it does ingame. At one point the tree looked like just a Tree like Miquellas Haligtree.
    But even tho Erdtree is seemingly alive and well, the roots under it dont glow and are decaying seemingly due to Godwyn but what if this wasent the case?
    What if The Shadow Tree is the original Primordial Erdtree that was Replaced by Elden Beasts Tree and just was moved and veiled into the lands of Shadow and what we see under erd tree capital arent infact the roots of the erdtree we see but instead the roots of the Primordial Erdtree left there when the tree was moved. The elden beasts erdtree was placed on top the left roots and stump of the Primordial Erdtree where it took the 'Primal Vital Energies' to grow into the giant glowing tree we see today?

    • @michalnowacki1489
      @michalnowacki1489 3 місяці тому +2

      Tarnished Archeologist has a great vid speculating that the Erdtree we see in the game is not only illusory, but when it was real (before being burned by Messmer presumably) it was grafted onto the roots of the Greattree which may have been coniferous instead of the decidouos

    • @draw2death421
      @draw2death421 3 місяці тому +2

      @@michalnowacki1489 oh. I wasent the first to make this theory then lol. But yeah i asume the same as him. I think i heard the erd tree wasent allways all Glowy from Smoughstown refrencing Tarnished Archeologist now that i think about it.

    • @robaustin_
      @robaustin_ 3 місяці тому +1

      I always thought the erdtree glowing like that was weird and unnatural. So cool.

  • @Tstorm731
    @Tstorm731 3 місяці тому +38

    You’re the only lore guy I see eye to eye with on ringed city and ds3 more generally. Also, loved the Dostoevsky vid. Thanks for these uploads today! Great info!

    • @VideoGameAtlas
      @VideoGameAtlas 3 місяці тому +1

      Rata did a video on elden Ring and Dostoyevsky?

    • @unuseableb
      @unuseableb 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@VideoGameAtlasyes. I believe it was part of the frenzied flame video

  • @boof994
    @boof994 3 місяці тому +8

    Im glad the souls community can all simaltaneously crawl out from under our rocks for elden ring again

  • @arctother5176
    @arctother5176 3 місяці тому +2

    The most surprising aspect is how generous Miyazaki has been in these recent interviews. Having watched all of DondonRV’s “making of” videos on the Souls games, I don’t think there’s ever been interviews where Miyazaki has explained so much in his answers!

  • @MaxAx500
    @MaxAx500 3 місяці тому +10

    the lands between being translated by google into the land of interstice is pretty interesting as interstice basically means something between other things yes but it makes me think of the interstice from berserk which we all know micheal zaki is a big fan of and draws a lot of inspiration from. probably just a coincidence but funny to think about

    • @dubuzzi9217
      @dubuzzi9217 3 місяці тому +1

      I sure wish to get to know michael zaki. I think that miquela will try to have the same path as grithff, trying to merge worlds for power.

  • @tarushsingh1108
    @tarushsingh1108 3 місяці тому +2

    "Looks like you're going to the shadow realm, Jimbo." - A Great Man

  • @nivircescrittore8304
    @nivircescrittore8304 3 місяці тому +28

    The impression I got from that passage about the DLC ending (though it might be fault of the translation) read to me not as "DLC will not add a new ending" and more as "No event in DLC itself will be affected by what you do in the Base game."

    • @ianwilliams2632
      @ianwilliams2632 3 місяці тому +1

      same as always

    • @fistybaby9489
      @fistybaby9489 3 місяці тому +4

      I also thought this is what Miyazaki meant. I don’t see them NOT adding a new ending in their most successful game and largest dlc.

  • @saulgoneman
    @saulgoneman 3 місяці тому +60

    The Erdtree being born in the Land of Shadow seems absolutely huge? It suggest the Lands were separated during or after the War against the Giants for one. Getting some clarification on all the confusingly interconnected history is very exciting, glad to know Marika's history will get a heavy focus.

    • @michaelhenry3234
      @michaelhenry3234 3 місяці тому +14

      Maybe removing the Rune of Death is what separated the Land of Shadow, if it's some sort of underworld or spirit world. Maybe the spirit world mentioned in Helphen's Steeple.

    • @YEY0806
      @YEY0806 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@michaelhenry3234 I wonder what this also means for the crucible, considering that the trailer had some crucible like powers

    • @michaelhenry3234
      @michaelhenry3234 3 місяці тому

      @@YEY0806 This is entirely speculative theory, but this does line up with several theories/ideas about the Crucible. The Crucible is the primordial form of the Erdtree, and the Erdtree was born in a place seemingly with some connection to the Crucible. The Crucible is associated with conflict and competition, the Land of Shadow is potentially an afterlife of some sort that had a war. If the Land of Shadow is Helphen, it's a place only warriors go in death. If the Land of Shadow was indeed separated by the removal of the Rune of Death, and that coincided with the transition from Crucible to modern Erdtree, the color red would tie everything together: red Rune of Death, red gold of the Crucible, red grace of the Helphen, even the red lightning of the Ancient Dragons. Death is red. You remove death, you cut off the spirit world. You remove the red rune from the Elden Ring and grace/gold no longer has that hue, the Crucible is now the Erdtree.
      Super speculative and it's built on numerous assumptions and theories, but I could see them going that route.

    • @theghosty99
      @theghosty99 3 місяці тому

      Here's what that probably means:
      The Crucible was a time where many trees were competing to take over the Deeproots and grow into their own trees, thus the symbol of a stump with branch-like spikes coming out of it (think Siluria's helm, and the tree statues outside of Leyndell). Those spikes are a real thing in horticulture, where you put young trees into the stump of an old tree (they are called scions, and the process is called grafting). So the Erdtree was probably born in the Shadow lands, then taken to the Lands Between and grafted onto the Crucible by Marika.

  • @ArrowsInTheMoon
    @ArrowsInTheMoon 3 місяці тому +2

    You can also see the duelling shield in the trailer, but people keep mistaking it for a twinblade. Its the sheild with a spike on top and and bottom. It's visible when the character is grabbed by messmer

    • @Do0mSl4yer95
      @Do0mSl4yer95 3 місяці тому

      I'm extremely interested in its moveset. We might finally have a way to defend while attacking which sounds amazing.

  • @SomeUnkindledAsh
    @SomeUnkindledAsh 3 місяці тому +8

    That last quote from Miyazaki is really something else. The fact he takes making games as his life's purpose can be felt in every aspect of FromSoft games. I can't imagine what gaming would be like if there was a Miyazaki at every studio. What a class act and one of the most profound creators of my lifetime

  • @societyman6591
    @societyman6591 3 місяці тому +3

    After going over Messmer's design, I believe Messmer is Melina in the same fashion that Radagon is Marika. Marika is confirmed to be the mother of Messmer and is strongly implied to be the mother of Melina. Melina claims to be burned and bodiless, and apart from the three fingers seems to be the only entity we know of in the game able to burn the Erdtree, so she would seem to be of fire in the same way that Messmer is. Both Messmer and Melina have their left eyes permanently closed (not counting the frenzied flame ending for Melina, when Torrent dies and the rules of the world appear to drastically change). This would also justify why we know so little about Melina or her motivations in the base game despite her clearly being one of the most prominent characters in the base game. It would also give additional payoff to the reveal that Radagon is Marika, as that would be a clue that other gods in this world might have a male/female split in this way.

  • @HANIMEME
    @HANIMEME 3 місяці тому +2

    That lore drop about the pre-existing culture just confirms my beliefs that tarnished archeologist was right on the money with his theories

  • @HorseyPorsey
    @HorseyPorsey 3 місяці тому +1

    Thank you so much for this video! I would have never known about this interview and it's awesome to find out a few extra details! I'm so hyped for this dlc it's not even funny! Appreciate the content man, keep it up

  • @platypipope328
    @platypipope328 3 місяці тому +3

    Honestly in terms of the classical sense of the word heroic is one of the first words i think of when i think kf elden ring

  • @rhyzenYT
    @rhyzenYT 3 місяці тому +2

    Can't wait! Going to get one of each build ready at DLC entrance :)

  • @alexneumann3092
    @alexneumann3092 3 місяці тому +6

    I have the feeling that the dlc will have a lot to do with the Gloam-eyed Queen since Marika became a god by defeating her. Maybe Farum Azula, or at least the time of the Beastmen in general will play a big role and we will see alot Chimaera-like creatures. Messmer also has draconic eyes.

    • @TheSurprisePig
      @TheSurprisePig 3 місяці тому +1

      Please be right, I need that story so bad.

  • @AwfulWeather5684
    @AwfulWeather5684 3 місяці тому +8

    The lion dance boss, and stuff like the big hippo reminds me so much of something from Chinese mythology. And since he said it is part of a different culture from before the great tree, I think that’s really cool. maybe we will get some more East-Asian inspired mythology like the land of reeds?

    • @YEY0806
      @YEY0806 3 місяці тому +1

      Imagine getting a glaive weapon or Chinese style swords, that probably seems possible considering there will be Monk style fighting in the game

    • @unbearable505
      @unbearable505 3 місяці тому

      ​@@YEY0806Will this be Glaive Master Hodir's long awaited return?

  • @user-kq7ck8ct2z
    @user-kq7ck8ct2z 3 місяці тому +2

    Ah, the mystery and speculation in these months leading up to release. I missed this feeling. Can't wait. What a breath of fresh air.

  • @SonicPrototype
    @SonicPrototype 3 місяці тому

    Really great video!

  • @christmasham4312
    @christmasham4312 3 місяці тому

    This explains a lot thank you 🙏🏼

  • @binnomajumder8999
    @binnomajumder8999 3 місяці тому +1

    love your content. have not been alienated yet.

  • @agopessimist1335
    @agopessimist1335 3 місяці тому +11

    Yeah, I think it was obvious that Messmer was Marika’s child with how he refers to ‘Mother’, the Grace of Gold, and the fact he has Radagon’s red hair.
    It’s also cool to see that we’ll be exploring more of Marika’s past in this expansion. I hope this means we’ll learn more about the Gloam-Eyed Queen or Placidusax’s God, assuming they aren’t the same individual.
    It’s also interesting to hear how the Erdtree was born in the Land of Shadows, as compared to Altus Plateau aka Leyndell where we can literally see its roots underground.
    Though it does suck that Miquella isn’t getting his own ending. Was hoping that doing the DLC would cause an alternate chain of events with Malenia and maybe unlocking his or Malenia’s ending. Guess that Age Absolute ending theory is debunked

  • @illrolla222
    @illrolla222 3 місяці тому +1

    Love the Nier music in the background. Nice touch. Can’t wait for the DLC. Cheers.

  • @teero121
    @teero121 3 місяці тому +1

    I'm super glad that they implemented some sort of power up progression mechanic that is detached from the conventional level and EXP system. Since I am at level 160 and hit all of my soft caps this makes me super stoked. And creating a whole new character is out of the question for me.

  • @TequilaGundam
    @TequilaGundam 3 місяці тому +1

    I like to think the shadow tree is the original erdtree being consumed by the golden order and were under the lands between

  • @Jam0nTo4st
    @Jam0nTo4st 3 місяці тому +3

    I don't know why but that last sentence from Miyazaki brought me to tears, there was just something so beautiful about it.

  • @amedeodicocco4705
    @amedeodicocco4705 3 місяці тому

    Thank you so much!

  • @TheManofThings777
    @TheManofThings777 3 місяці тому +2

    It should be noted that the word "heroic" tends to have "good" and "moral" as connotations but historically "heroic" and "heroes" have also been used to refer to scale. Size.
    So, he might be saying that Mesmer is a good guy and that Elden Ring is a good guy's story, but I find it far more likely that what he means is Mesmer is a powerful demigod and Elden Ring is a very grand story in terms of scale.

  • @ed61730
    @ed61730 3 місяці тому +2

    pre ordered! lets support devs who make full proper games!

  • @GravelordWrust
    @GravelordWrust 3 місяці тому

    The best. As always.

  • @silentobserver4425
    @silentobserver4425 3 місяці тому +3

    God tier content! Praise be the sun!

  • @AManJumps
    @AManJumps 3 місяці тому +1

    Thanks ratatoskr. I'm excited for this dlc

  • @egg_64.
    @egg_64. 3 місяці тому +2

    2 video one day pog u great vid

  • @kasv4103
    @kasv4103 3 місяці тому

    thanks for this.

  • @moosecannibal8224
    @moosecannibal8224 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for doing your best to translate this.
    At risk of being a soppy shit, I tear almost came to my eye hearing that final quote from Miyazaki

  • @minerman60101
    @minerman60101 3 місяці тому +3

    Please continue your heroic concept series

  • @chadwolf3840
    @chadwolf3840 3 місяці тому

    Wow great find.

  • @jjcreeper7113
    @jjcreeper7113 3 місяці тому +1

    I just wanna say I love ur content. It’s very relaxing

  • @yamnbam4346
    @yamnbam4346 3 місяці тому +38

    8:48
    “Gyatt”teken

  • @Greaseball01
    @Greaseball01 3 місяці тому

    Fascinating stuff

  • @PaulRoche-iv4oh
    @PaulRoche-iv4oh 3 місяці тому

    2 uploads in 1 day!?!? We’re living in the good ole days rn boys and girls

  • @tinminator8905
    @tinminator8905 3 місяці тому +1

    I expected something regarding progression as he stated previously that there will be a new type od progression introduced in the DLC. The route this is hinting at is very interesting indeed. I feel like this is the solution they came up with to support the casual player base for the notoriously tough DLC bosses.

  • @amysteriousviewer3772
    @amysteriousviewer3772 3 місяці тому +1

    I have never been this hyped for a DLC

  • @majorasmask5523
    @majorasmask5523 3 місяці тому +13

    I fully expected that Miquella’s quest would have some effect on Malenia, as well as giving us some ability to settle or skip the fight peacefully. I have a twin sister in real life, and I would be serious disappointed if this wasn’t a possibility.

  • @exodus9001
    @exodus9001 3 місяці тому

    The DLC having its own power up system is intriguing. I wonder if it'll be like eating shadow goo to grow stronger. The suppression bit and mention of sekiro makes me think there will be something to turn off the boost, akin to the demon bell or what have you. Super cool idea. Cant wait for the SL1 no booster challenge runs

  • @SmallOneEyedKing
    @SmallOneEyedKing 3 місяці тому +1

    When you said Shadow dimension It reminded me of Ywuach Quincy realm in Bleach, which is just a shadow of the Shikigami HQ.
    So I think the Lands of Shadow it still exist yet it is a reflection reality conjured by the user.

  • @Silenthero66
    @Silenthero66 3 місяці тому +2

    It's clear to me that this land of shadows *IS* the other world where the Numen came from.

  • @___.51
    @___.51 3 місяці тому

    I’ve already been playing the game as a great-shielder, both attacking and blocking with one shield. Can’t wait to see what is meant by ‘dueling shield’

  • @Siege_Panda
    @Siege_Panda 3 місяці тому +1

    Looks like that centerpiece building that's places just underneath the Shadow tree's overhang, is positioned just right to catch the runoff of sap that's seeping out of it. The scene showing the manor in the swamp, with the dead trees above it, there seem to be ten corpses sitting in front of it, all kneeling with hands behind their backs, and what look like little lights where their heads should be. The corpse pulling out the object from it's head looks to be the remains of the old man in the painting shown before, the clasp on his cloak is identical. Mesmer, with glowing yellow eyes, red hair, and name beginning with an M, could very well be a discarded sibling of Melania and Miquella. The beast that appears to be the boss of the quagmire manor based on background scenery, is quite hard to describe, there are two hands holding up its face and bottom jaw, and an assortment of legs supporting the rest of it, with what look like omen horns as well, Miss Chalice mentioned it had the look of a parade creature, that required multiple people to wear the suit and make the movements, so I wouldn't be surprised if it had a phase while cloaked and one with it revealed in entirety. There's spiral symbolism all over the trailer, in architecture and some creatures, but maybe that's me being paranoid after running through Alan Wake 2 six times. All in all, this area and the context I'm given, leads me to believe that this place has long been the trashcan of the Lands Berween, the denizens here are what Marika swept under the rug during her rule, including what seems to be a discarded child.

  • @LoafofSourdough
    @LoafofSourdough 3 місяці тому

    That was such a sick play in the last PVP clip 🍷🗿

  • @chobnar977
    @chobnar977 3 місяці тому

    ratas really proud of that clip he shows at the end beating a gank of 3 huh, it isnt the first time it has appeared in a video

  • @I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS
    @I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS 3 місяці тому +2

    The separate offensive power makes complete sense to me. The base ER progression probably would not really work for the DLC. You're probably like at least level 100+ after mohg, and your power level is already starting to plateau. Chances are you won't feel much progression in the DLC just from leveling. Then you've got people who cleared the game, maybe level 150, or people higher on NG+. By having some separate progression system for the DLC, it ensures a smooth feeling of progression for everyone.

  • @dee6561
    @dee6561 3 місяці тому +2

    Miyazaki is the name of actual GOATs

  • @vharuv4651
    @vharuv4651 3 місяці тому

    I just recognised the background music. Holy shit. I wondered why this always makes me so sad.

  • @DANBAN119
    @DANBAN119 3 місяці тому +13

    It is weird that Miquella wouldn't get his own unique ending, it could be true or it could maybe be a translation error? Idk I'm a little hopeful of that because there is only 2 unique endings in base game and the other 4 are all altered endings to the standard ending.

    • @rainbowkrampus
      @rainbowkrampus 3 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, I'm a little disappointed to hear about this.
      It means that the end of SotE is going to be effectively meaningless if it's true.

    • @weavatronobservatory
      @weavatronobservatory 3 місяці тому

      You’re following Miquella’s footsteps into the land of shadow. You’ll probably come across a version of him throughout the land of shadow like you did with Melina. Miquella’s conclusion/ending is in the land of shadow and maybe it will translate outside of the land of shadow and affect a new ending.

    • @alnorris251
      @alnorris251 3 місяці тому

      If Miyazaki hasnt planned on sequel or another DLC and SotE is a self contained DLC without any impact on the base game. How are they gonna tie up the loose ends ? Especially with the Melina and Godwyn

    • @ZaLewdWarudo
      @ZaLewdWarudo 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@alnorris251 are you new to Fromsoft games? One of those Elden ring first timers?
      They have actively left loose threads hundreds of times. Because that's not how they tell stories. They don't need to tie everything off neatly lmao.

    • @weavatronobservatory
      @weavatronobservatory 3 місяці тому +1

      We found out a little about the expansion 1 month before the spring equinox and we’ll find out on the summer solstice.

  • @highlord2841
    @highlord2841 3 місяці тому +1

    Maybe it’s going to be flipped like a hollow earth type thing, in the underground or something, also I knew that Messmer was gonna be a demigod

  • @mcrebel7471
    @mcrebel7471 3 місяці тому

    Mesmer sitting on the throne Morgot sits on is symbolic to Mesmer’s power level and importance of the other demi gods, Marika’s children.

  • @DanielSan21
    @DanielSan21 3 місяці тому

    I love that man

  • @morthangaming2513
    @morthangaming2513 3 місяці тому

    The offensive power thing could possible be items like the beads in sekiro, that you can equip or unequip, or even store if you don't want the effects to be added if you wan't to "challenge yourself". It could also be like the bell that you can give Kuro or keep it in your inventory. This is what makes the most sense.

  • @J35h13
    @J35h13 3 місяці тому

    what a legend

  • @KrisEnigma
    @KrisEnigma 3 місяці тому +1

    When he talked about a difficulty modifier like in Sekiro, I thought about the bell, or Kuro''s charm... 🤔

  • @ILoveTWD376
    @ILoveTWD376 3 місяці тому

    The dlc comes out on my birthday it’s literally perfect

  • @NWAP1337
    @NWAP1337 3 місяці тому

    Interviewer: Why is it so big?
    Miyazaki: That's what she said.

  • @shadowxps
    @shadowxps 3 місяці тому

    I feel fortunate to live in a time where Miyazaki is making games

  • @sirrealism7300
    @sirrealism7300 3 місяці тому

    GREAT FLAILS GREAT FLAILS

  • @brandonthomas6602
    @brandonthomas6602 3 місяці тому +1

    Miyazaki absolutely goated

  • @frewtlewps1152
    @frewtlewps1152 3 місяці тому +9

    I believe the location of the Land of Shadow will be the massive body of water east of Liurnia, which looks like a giant chunk of the continent that was taken out. I think the reason we can’t see the Land of Shadow in the base game is because of the veil in the sky.

    • @DANBAN119
      @DANBAN119 3 місяці тому +2

      I've had that same thought rattling around in my head too, if that ends up being the case then the dlc area would be WAY bigger than just Limgrave.

    • @camerondavis800
      @camerondavis800 3 місяці тому +1

      Nice theory, i like it

    • @rainbowkrampus
      @rainbowkrampus 3 місяці тому

      It said it's a separate area i.e. we have to load into it.
      It might have been there at one point. So far what the interviews seem to indicate is that the Shadow Lands are not where they used to be.
      Wherever that was, it's in its own separate place now.

    • @Falx415
      @Falx415 3 місяці тому

      Perhaps that's the true purpose of the Divine Towers, they may act as a sort of "barrier" creating a circle around the Shadowlands and obscuring all within. But, that's just a theory.

  • @bayouboigaming
    @bayouboigaming 3 місяці тому

    Man was asked about a boss and goes “YEAH MARIKA BECAME A GOD HERE”

  • @crigysnake5959
    @crigysnake5959 3 місяці тому +1

    I wish I can Chryosleep to the exact date of this dlc

  • @kevlarchicken
    @kevlarchicken 3 місяці тому

    “Scolded”? That’s exactly the kind of thing we want to hear from developers it means they have a genuine passion for what they make

  • @Wallyka1007
    @Wallyka1007 3 місяці тому +2

    I think their should be an statement made that you HAVE to complete a certain(mohg)quest line before accessing the dlc. Because the internet literally waits to complain about anything

  • @nigmatullina2930
    @nigmatullina2930 3 місяці тому

    I love the background nier music

  • @lucamattiarolla9876
    @lucamattiarolla9876 3 місяці тому

    I believe the veils in the sky represents the eclipse that is mentioned in the main game

  • @DeaconOfTheDank
    @DeaconOfTheDank 3 місяці тому

    Something that I noticed about the logo of the DLC is that the "O" in "Shadow" reminds me of the Ouroboros symbol.

  • @metalsludge8205
    @metalsludge8205 3 місяці тому +24

    "the place where the Golden Tree was born"
    ah so the "erdtree is an alien parasite" theory can finally be put to rest

    • @glorytoukraine5524
      @glorytoukraine5524 3 місяці тому +7

      Why?

    • @ni9274
      @ni9274 3 місяці тому +3

      Not really, this is likely the place that was hit by the meteorite since it’s implied it’s in the huge hole in the middle of the map, just hidden by an illusion.

    • @MikeTheD
      @MikeTheD 3 місяці тому

      ​@ni9274 yes it could be just the figure of speech. A common translation of something outside the vernacular

  • @games-wz7sz
    @games-wz7sz 3 місяці тому +4

    I want to remond everyone that he always undersells his games. Before launch he said with confidence that elden ring was a 20 hour experience. If he says its as big as limgrave what he is saying is "not as big as the entire map" but by thinking of limgrave going in you will have lower expectations. When it is bigger then limgrave that will trick you into thinking its bigger than it is because it was bigger than previously described

    • @Oznerol1234
      @Oznerol1234 3 місяці тому +1

      "As big or bigger "

    • @warcoder
      @warcoder 3 місяці тому

      People were able to squish a least 20 hours of the network test and it didn't even had all of Limgrave. I think the playtime of the DLC won't be a trouble, it doesn't need to be a least half of the main game to be worth the price tag, as some people are suggesting, if we can get more than 15 hours of gameplay plus all the new gear and bosses, I think it is already better than a lot of 70$ games that probably have less replayability.