No, Tesla Can't Hit 60 MPH In Under 2 Seconds (Model S Plaid)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Tesla Tricked You - Plaid Mode Won't Hit 60 MPH In Under 2 Seconds
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Tesla says the Model S Plaid is the quickest accelerating car in production today, and they claim the Model S Plaid+ has the quickest 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile acceleration of any production car ever. The Plaid has a 0-60 mph of 1.99 seconds, and the Plaid+ has a 0-60 of less than 1.99 seconds, if you believe the order page. Unfortunately, these numbers are deceiving, and the real zero to sixty is likely above two seconds. No, Tesla's Model S Plaid won't hit 60 mph in under 2 seconds. In this video we'll discuss rollout, Tesla's actual 0-60 time, 0-60 theory, and what today's theoretical limit on 0-60 mph is. Watch to learn more!
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I think the most impressive thing I've learnt from this video is that a camry is almost as fast as a mclaren p1 to 5 miles per hour
Then you hit the Camry's top speed.
I knew Camry’s had some extra oomf in initial
acceleration because even my 2007 had a little more beef in the first 1 second of acceleration than I was expecting when I first drove it!
The magic of gearing. A lot of low power cars can feel relatively quick 0-30 or so but immediately fall flat on the next shift.
yeah dude, just randomly looked it up on google, and the 07 v6 Camry has 268hp and 248lb/ft of torque while only weighing 3500lb?? You would literally dust early 2000s Camaro z28s and Mustang GTs with that thing.
@@asiagobagel8293 Yeah, no. Early 2000's Camaro Z28's weighed almost exactly the same but had 310+ horsepower.
So without the 1ft rollout you can say your channel already has 3M subscribers :)
I hope someone let's you test it in the plaid+ because you are not against anyone you want to share the facts. I love this channel.
The issue is that Tesla is staunchly opposed to facts
@@Courtesyflush52 wtf
@@Christs_Apologet he means that there selling fantasy make believe and people buy it. They aren't in to facts. Elon is a money maker. and who else's selling nothing to people for huge cash down. Oh ya the church saying you can get to heaven if you just pay 10% of your income up front. Tesla is a cult following of personality and dreams, its kinda sad.
@@mattwood3773 you’re sad 😞
@@mattwood3773 can go to heaven if you just pay 10% of your income up front ? What do you mean ??
It kind of surprises me to see that the P100D almost accelerates as fast as it full emergency brakes. That really puts things into perspective. Flooring the accelerator has a similar effect to smashing the brakes!
Seems perfectly fine. Acceleration at this point is limited solely by your tires. And the force these have to transfer to the street stays the same, no matter if braking or accelerating.
You're like the physics teacher that I never had in high school. I would love going to this class. In fact I do, every time you post!
He has much more time to prepare then a highschool teacher 😂😂
Yup
Nope, you cannot compare braking distance to acceleration. Braking uses ABS which actually extends the stopping distance due to the ABS nature - it quickly locks wheels and releases them , what ultimately changes the friction. Whenever it moves from static to dynamic friction, the grip changes (dynamic is, I think always, worse).
If you were to brake without ABS at the limit of grip, that is using all braking force without allowing the wheels to slip - then it would be one, long smooth process. Otherwise it has multiple interruptions, which is not the case during acceleration.
Aged like milk
Nope, aged very well, not a single video of plaid doing 0-60 under 2 seconds. Now when some non-musk fanboys get their hands on plaid, lets see what actual 0-60 times (without rollout) is!!! LOL
@@springer-qb4dv please spare yourself from embarrassment. Do some research before commenting again
Busted
This aged poorly
Aged very well, not a single video of plaid doing 0-60 under 2 seconds. Now when some non-musk fanboys get their hands on plaid, lets see what actual 0-60 times (without rollout) is!!! LOL
I’ve been watching for a while and just now had the thought. How are you so knowledgeable about these things? Down to a physics level.
I did Newton's equations of motion that he is using when I was at school back in 1972 aged about 17 or 18, and all these calculations are simple enough. And they say education had not been dumbed down. To someone taught SI units it does seem strange to see him using feet rather than metres, that would give me a harder job to do!
He was wrong on this. Brooks from drag times did 1.99 to 60 on the street in the plaid.
Jason, mad respect for calling out the most overhyped car maker in the world. I love Tesla, and would love to own one some day (currently own just a smaller EV for city driving), but marketing BS should not be tolerated and needs to be called out.
"I'll let you finish that sentence." As tesla have some very well paid lawyers
I mean definitely not as big as a company of that size should have
As a non-engineer, this was brilliantly explained and extremely illuminating. Thank you.
2.25 to 60, forget it, im sticking with my diesel chevette
And I am sticking to my Civic with VTEC. When VTEC kicks in you better watch out!
Tesla and Elon are two horsemen of shady marketing and having a toxic fanbase that promotes that shady marketing...
Lol um VW diesel gate? All companies are like this to an extent.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 **to an extent** atleast people dont defend shady marketing when it comes to other companies.....but tesla fanboys defend it...
Seems Tesla actually listened and added the asterisks on the front page
This did not age well 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Funny how, only Tesla gets called out for this.
To be fair I dont blame Tesla, I blame Elon. He has pretty much built all his companies on lies & deception
@@ededdneddy988 what’s it like? Being such a hater? Those who cast stones usually have the most to hide and wind up being the biggest hypocrite.
@@keithnance4209 im not hating bruv. Im just stating what I've noticed about Elon. I was once a big fan of his and I still to some degree admire what he's achieved but over the years I noticed how Elon lies to sell his products which is why I stopped being a fan. Just take a moment and think about all his companies SpaceX, Tesla, Boring, Neuralink. There's a BS promise in each of them that he knows wont come true but that lie is the foundation of the company. Elon definitely knows he is bullshitting but because he has such a cult following he knows he can get away with it. Spacex colony on Mars will never happen (mars is inhospitable), borings tunnel system was a flop, Neuralink brain chip is also BS, Tesla FSD has been delayed for over half a decade even Tesla admits to Elon exagerrating its capabilities and yet he still keeps the lie going. We saw it first hand at cybertruck event with the windows when he said they wouldnt smash, well guess what... they did. he even claims Tesla roadster base will have 0-60 in 1.9 sec, which is impossible. If Elon was made of wood his nose would be a 5th limb
@@ededdneddy988 spoken like someone who has never built or produced a product...’bruv’ Elon states all the time he is optimistic. It’s why the term ‘Elon time’ was coined. Are you daft? Everything he says he wants to do has largely come to past...maybe not exactly in the initial timeframe but he even makes the process largely available to those who follow his body of work and we see the progress. Hello Starship!? You must be following some other Elon dude...just admit you are a hater and probably never was a fan and likely have some competing interests against his companies which are actively disrupting legacy industries, and progressing humanity. Sorry ‘bruv’ your logic is twisted or nonsensical. 🥴
@@keithnance4209 yeah, Elon is God
"you can't accelerate faster than you break"
but what if you have crappy breaks?
In the other video he mentioned how the brakes should be able to lock up the tires.
"You can't accelerate faster than you break"
Elon: Hold my champagne...
Then you need crappy fixes
Thanks to this guy I almost bought the Plaid since I was looking for an under 2 second car. Got the Camry instead.
Well that didn’t age well.
Aged very well, not a single video of plaid doing 0-60 under 2 seconds. Now when some non-musk fanboys get their hands on plaid, lets see what actual 0-60 times (without rollout) is!!! LOL
Time to go back school, Heald college of engineering.
Rimac did 0-60 in under 2 secs with out a roll out
The model S Plaid just broke the record for fastest production car at the quarter mile
Not really. Leno claimed it had a time of 9,2 seconds but the Rimac Nevera just did it in 8,6.
@@hanslindgren954 Rimac Nevera isn’t a production car, there’s only gonna be 150 of them
@@hanslindgren954 can I walk into a store and order one after the 150 is sold?
@@xfuture3762 You are wrong. It qualifies as a production car.
@@radiculus27 That is completely besides the point. It’s a street legal production car and it is way faster than the Tesla on the quarter mile.
Front engine corvettes always had very low stopping distances because of engine location, the opposite would be true for acceleration. Mid and rear engine cars have more weight on their rear tires for acceleration but less on front tires for breaking. So that theory may not work for all production cars.
rimac nevera 0-60 1,86 sec what are you talking about ?
Tesla fanatics everywhere have suddenly developed a nervous tic. Interestingly, it took less than 1.99 seconds to exhibit itself. 🤣😂🤣
Is it really that deceptive by Tesla explicitly though, if they're using the same standard of measurement as everyone else in the industry have done for ages? It may not be technically correct, but if the method of measurement is equal then the playing field is too, then the _comparison of _*_relative_*_ results versus other cars and models_ is still producing accurate, non-deceptive results.
Current doesn't actually flow from positive to negative, but as long as standards are established and adhered to equally in every area where this technical incorrect element doesn't make a notable practical difference, then we don't tend to call out industries or individual companies for being deceptive in their componentry data sheets and schematics (and by extent almost every data sheet and schematic in the world, from every manufacturer under the sun).
That's the problem, it isn't equal. Tesla is, to my knowledge, the only car maker that states 0-60 or 0-100 times with the first foot substracted. Because every other manufacturer knows you can't put zero to something without measuring from, you know, zero.
I'm sure the assumption for the breaking isn't quite right.
Here's why: The car starts the breaking with the engines which aren't as strong in breaking, secondly electric cars can be a bit different in the aspect that the brakes aren't as strong in relation to the weight of non electric cars.
Therefore I don't think the Tesla can do under 2 seconds, but your reasoning does seem to be flawed.
Yah all the UA-cam videos I see of the Plaid no one goes under 2 seconds 0-60 that I’ve seen except that Rimac I believe but I own a 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid and even though it runs low 2 seconds 0-60 it is mind boggling any way and is fun as heck and I’m ok with it not going under 2 seconds 0-60, but I get your point and I definitely agree with it, great video and great detail of your explanation I appreciate that 🤙🏽
I feel like you already made this video Re: the new Roadster, am I just imagining things?
You're not! Roadster uses rockets, thus 0-60 under 2.0 seconds is quite possible! ua-cam.com/video/4PRi4B1APj0/v-deo.html
@@EngineeringExplained nice, fantastic content as usual! Can’t wait for the Cayman video
@@EngineeringExplained We could make the assumption that Plaid + (one trim level over Plaid) could use the same rockets to achieve their
Traction control refutes the claim of 60-0 being the maximum deceleration. In electric motors, traction control can be applied via advanced amp curves whereas braking can only be modulated as fast as brake fluid. This claim is disingenuous simply because it is a MAJOR assumption. "you cant" is different than "you usually cant"
this aged well
this video: milk is NOT milk, milk is PAUSTERIZED MILK.
me: milk
Jay Leno broke the World Record on live TV running the Plaid last week, just fyi...
I wanna know if you're doing these maths in your head in real time, or if you have all the answers memorized, or have them on a board off camera that you reference
He has the answers prepared but he is every bit as smart as he seems he is.
It's a UA-cam video, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't worked out before hand. I'm not saying it's impossible but calculating things like distance/time/g to 3 significant figures in 3 seconds whilst talking would be savant level skill.
engineering explained: Tesla cant hit 60 mph in under 2 seconds
tesla roadster: lol ok
The upcoming Tesla Roadster should hit 0-60 in under 2 seconds with very good tires, no asterisk!
As far as actually driving, what matters is really the g-forces you feel when you put your foot down. Also the fact you blow away pretty much every other car on the road, which is quite satisfying.
If you wan't to blow away pretty much every other car on the road you need to buy a Porsche 911 Turbo S..
Gordon Johnson, stop it we know it's you!
If that's the industry standard, I see no problem with it...
Otherwise, how do you measure the start line? Down to the plank-length? Do we get theoretical physicist to measure the start line?
It has to be a set of experimental setup most other people are using.
Love it but thats y dragsters use phuts to stop. And even if the braking is faster its more the weight and the tread cut on the tire. In offroad we cut for grip not stopping. I'd love to see a test of different tires on the same car and track snow and ice vs full sport
God I wish I could be so ignorant of tesla's bs marketing and like them as a company. They do some really cool stuff but then they have some shady business practices that I just can't overlook.
I hope you say you were wrong when the public tests the Model S Plaid and it does sub 2 seconds. And I will say I was wrong if it doesn't do it.
Teslas also have regenerative braking that reduces braking time
The Plaid and Plaid+ have more powerful motors that can also apply even more braking force than is available in the P100D. So, at least at the wheels, the Plaid and Plaid+ should be able to apply more braking force than any other production vehicle. The real limiting factor is the amount of traction available between the tires and the pavement. The GT2RS is able to stop in absurdly short distances not only because of its massive brakes but also because it's incredibly lightweight and also because it has a *ton* of aerodynamic enhancements that create downforce. While the P100D will be able to apply more braking force to the wheels, it'll be carrying much more weight with less aero than the GT2RS.
The only way I can see Tesla accomplishing these claimed numbers is with *very* wide tires and extensive weight savings in the upper 75% of the vehicle. If they can get the center of gravity at or below the height of the axles, then accelerating or braking would actually press the car into the road and create downforce/grip.
They know it is deceptive... but all the automotive magazines do it, all the manufacturers do it, there really isn't any way to accurately measure when it moved from zero... just like cam duration advertised vs .020 lift on a cam. No one can accurately determine the instant it goes from 0.000000 lift but it is relatively easy to measure from .020 because it's moving.
Almost no manufacturer subtracts rollout before stating their 0-60 mph time. Porsche, Bmw, Mercedes, Audi, Ferrari no one. A Porsche GT3 was advertised to do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, but in real world it does it in 2.8 seconds ON NORMAL ASPHALT AND WITHOUT ROLLOUT SUBTRACTED... it will be even quicker on a prepped surface.
Didn’t take long to see definitive proof falsifying the claims on this video. 🤣🤣🤣 Even with Jay Leno, a heavier than ideal driver, the model S plaid went sub 2 second 0-60 and over 150mph in the quarter mile.
What are you talking about? Do you habe insights on the jay leno run?
@@leika2227 “Jay Leno was recently invited to drive the electric super hatch down the dragstrip at Pomona raceway in California, where he managed to run a quarter-mile ET of 9.247 seconds at 152.09 mph. The stunt was filmed for Leno's “Jay Leno's Garage” series and previewed on Saturday during a CNBC news segment.”
It’s widely available, published data.
You were wrong on this one but good job on the videos
0-60 in 'x'* seconds
*While track tests repeatedly demonstrated acceleration performance of 'x' seconds, the initial zero speed value was substituted with a _reasonably close_ value chosen by our marketeering department.
The first thumbs down will be a Tesla owner 😁
i'll buy tv with 399 pricetag. 400 is too expencive! there is 3 vs 4 mindfuck
Good video to call out what's basically a marketing company 😆😆😆
ready for this video to be taken down when it does a sub 2 second? We're at 2.19 on the street just by stomping it.
Elon just tweeted: "Tesla Model S Plaid delivery event June 3 at California factory
Fastest production car ever 0 to 60mph in under 2 secs"... can you go and check?
*sees a whiteboard covered in markers*
Oh yeah
😁😁
💯
I want to like, but the likes are currently at 420...
@@natalyasparrow6748Weird, I have a similar dilemma with 666 likes!
*sees george floyd covered in 6' of dirt*
Oh yeah
Fun fact a Mazda CX-5 has a 0-60 of 9.8 seconds and a 60-0 of under 1 second when you hit the semi truck in the oncoming lane
Hahaha good one
That's cheating, by the use of addition breaking force!
@@kevinburke6743 r/whoosh
you mean 60-60
Where's your control data. That was just a flash in the pan.
**UPDATE** Now that MotorTrend has tested, here's an updated video on the subject! ua-cam.com/video/HAmv2IO9row/v-deo.html The new video will not address much of the how/why, as this video does, so both will remain up as they explain different aspects.
**CLARIFICATION!** Two major points, as there is some confusion:
1) Drag strips don't measure 0-60 mph. They do time the first 60 ft. When I reference "when the clock starts" (after the tire has moved 1 foot, once the stage beam reconnects), I'm referring to when the clock starts for auto magazines. They delete this first foot in their 0-60 times (though this is done with GPS, rather than stage beams at a drag strip).
2) Many people asking about why you can't accelerate faster than you can brake. This is assuming you have a car with modern brakes and properly serviced, well maintained brakes. Pretty much all modern cars can lock up the brakes, that's why we have ABS (anti-lock braking system). The job of ABS is to keep you as close to peak braking deceleration as possible (maintain a high static friction, so the tire does not lock up and slide). This allows the car to stop as fast as possible, and this also informs you what your average grip is during an emergency stop. Grip is ultimately the limiting factor for acceleration in very powerful cars (like a Tesla Model S Performance). If you know what your peak grip is, you can assume you will accelerate at that peak grip, so long as you have enough power to do so. You cannot accelerate faster than your grip allows! (Unless you use rockets, as the video states). That's why I find it fair to use braking as a way of predicting theoretical acceleration, with the disclaimers discussed in the video (discussion labeled "Why Trust Me" on the whiteboard).
*Edit:* 3) If it wasn't abundantly clear, this video is talking about road legal tires on a flat surface, not drag tires (which aren't road legal) on a prepped surface (sticky drag strip). When car companies quote 0-60 times, unless otherwise stated, it is the former (road legal tires, road surface) they are quoting, not the latter (drag tires, drag strip). Obviously you can improve 0-60 times of traction limited cars with drag tires, hence top fuel cars are hitting 0-60 in well, well under 2 seconds (under 1 second!).
Polish Tesla site also speaks about subtracting the rollout.
Jason, pardon me, but a road legal car can definitely brake higher than 1.1g.
In the latest Nordschleife record run, the new 992 GT3 brakes at 1.4 - 1.8 g (e.g. right before Aremberg).
As far as I can tell (and anybody that's regularly tracking cars can confirm) there's a huge difference in the grip level between the cold tyre and the properly warmed one, and I have yet to see a 0-60 time that details the tyre temperature and pressure...
Just sayin'
So it actually isn`t a race to build the first
I don't know whether they're legally allowed to, but there is also a chance of them measuring the acceleration on a drag strip like surface, where the ground is coated in rubber and has a higher friction coefficient. That might skew their results higher than a car magazine or other reviewer where they might measure it on regular asphalt.
Did you actually run a series of 0-60 & 60-0 tests with warm tires on a clean, dry track, or are you pontificating on the basis of a series of assumptions based on the testing of a Model X P100 you did in 2017.
Jason......you have now qualified for VIP seating in Elon’s one-way Mars landing!
I LOLed :)
"A bunch of people will probably die".
@@n9wox Shhh no one needs to know!
elon : now jason at mars, i can say my car goes 1.5s without whole whiteboard to correct me.
Lol, Jason Marz
now that the plaid is out and Tesla is still claiming first production vehicle with 0-60 under 2 sec, id love to see your followup video on the matter!
Very polite :)
Indeed, very polite, thanks for this. I'm curious too.
Yes please
Following…
Looking forward to hearing your follow up.
40 years plus of being into cars and never heard anyone discuss 0-60 times like this :) very cool
If you look at the small print they measure time down to 1/100th of a Second! Not being particular, precise or anything!
I can see that sometimes it sucks to be smart because then you can foresee disappointment
That's because nobody gives a hoot.
Agreed.......
That’s because it’s pointless and attention seeking who cares the plaid will p**s on all the other cars and on the street it rules to.
Why start having a go now? No one has cared about this for the last 40 years.
"we can confirm the 2.0-second 0-60 barrier remains unbroken"
The first 5 lines of the MotorTrend article
But on a drag strip it did 1.98 seconds 0-60
@@nirbhayatiwari5425 Yes but not in the conditions that MotorTrend test the rest of the cars, that would be 2.07, still a record
@@madmarshmallow3983 Yes ....
See without that one foot rollout tesla (a four door sedan) did 0-60 in 2.28 seconds matching the rimac (a hypercar) which also did 0-60 in 2.28 seconds according to carwow .... I am thrilled to see what the roadster will do ....
But you are correct 2.07 will be a record ....
@@madmarshmallow3983 Brother, I am happy that now Porsche 911 will lose its title of quarter mile king ....
@Steve Dave yes with rollout subtract
Fun Fact: On the German Tesla Site there is an Asterisk and the 0-100kmh time is 2.1 sec. The Asterisk states: With subtracted rollout.
100 is 62mph.
germany are kind of sticklers for precise measurements. kind of naz....i mean. nevermind ;)
Its the same on the Australian website.
Interesting! To me it looks like they're doing the same thing. When I hit "ProduktDetails" it pulls up the same comparison page, and the Maximale Reichweite (Long Range) has no asterisk, while the other two (Plaid, Plaid+) do. And since 100 kmh is 62 mph, it makes sense it's a slightly longer time. So actually 0-100 kmh will likely be around 2.3-2.4 seconds.
German link for anyone interested: www.tesla.com/de_de/models/design#overview
Maybe they figure americans won't fact check, but germans will.
No idea whatever would cause them to think that, of true... 🙉🙈🙊
All this electric drivetrain stuff makes me want to make an electric sleeper out of... something.
Maybe my honda fit once it gets old and clapped out. Or maybe an old chevy van. Imagine parking one of those at an EV charge point, lmao
Somebody might claim you're icing the charger lmao
@@kutsen39 what does icing the charger mean??
@@yzotape529 Fr what does it mean
@@yzotape529 On this channel you'll hear talk of Internal Combustion Engine cars, or ICE cars. People in big trucks with little willy syndrome who think they're better than those "tree-humping EV drivers" (or anyone really) will take their ICE vehicle and park it in an EV charging spot, just to be a jerk and not let someone actually charge their car there. They call it ICE-ing the charger. This is the extreme version of diesel trucks rolling coal (blowing that black smoke) next to an EV at a stoplight because they get some semblance of dopamine out of it.
@@kutsen39 huh that’s a really interesting human behavior haha thanks for sharing!
Still frustrates me how clean his drawings and notes are. I draw a circle and it looks deflated
Ever tried to draw a deflated one instead?
Training training and training.
A friend used to put down chicken scratches he claimed were his notes. Funny thing was when we asked him to read back what he had written a week earlier he had huge problems deciphering the scratches. He could read them, but it took a lot of time and some guessing. Time goes by and he becomes a high school teacher. You know what they have to do quite frequently? Yep, write on the whiteboard... His writing skills are still not something you appreciate for it's beauty, but it is 100% readable. Only took him a few years of training to achieve...
And no, he never had any problem with reading or spelling, just the worst hand writing I have ever seen. I bet even pharmacists would have a problem reading that. I don't know that it has anything to do with this but he is also one of very few people who are even worse than me at drawing and sketching, and I'm pretty freaking bad at that. I also are one of the last to criticize any ones hand writing as mine is pretty bad, but it is easily readable. On the other hand everyone I know who has some artistic talent seem to write a very even and flowing script, though some of the really gifted tend to embellish letters to the degree that it becomes more art and less readable.
I wonder if he watched Bob Ross videos in his spare time.
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I don't want to know what it would feel like to stop from 60mph in under 2 seconds.
Ever heard of Formula 1? 😂
@@fridolfgranq we talk Production car
@@jalanihidup6119 What difference does it make whether you feel it in a production car or anything else? The comment I replied to specifically addresses that he doesn't want to know how it FEELS like..
Been there done that wouldn't recommend. There was a concrete barrier involved.
@@fridolfgranq I don't know much about formula 1, but you got me curious on how fast they can stop.
Couldn't find that answer but apparently the typical formula 1 goes from 0-60 in about 2.1-2.7 seconds (the fastest around 1.6 seconds).
It's freakin crazy. It's one thing to be pressed into your seat, but entirely different to be pulled away.
Elon is coming for you
Tesla fanboys in 3..2...1
0:29 Translation: I don't want to be sued
Umm no that can't happen, i studied business law.
He's more afraid of the battery herd burning him at the stake like a witch.
To confirm with the other guy said. Actual lawyer here: suing isn't going to be a thing. There would be no basis to state a valid claim. What would hurt Jason know would be a mob of Tesla's zealots, and also companies like Tesla denying him access to their vehicles because he makes them look bad. So he has to be diplomatic when he says something negative. There are other people who make successful careers by not being diplomatic when they see something negative, but they don't usually get early access to the fancy cars.
@@GunFunZS EE is already on tesla's bad side, so much so that he doesnt care anymore
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx Really? He seems a proud Tesla owner!
@@GunFunZSI agree, but as a law nut (just been studying law for 20 years as a hobby). Couldn't they sue him for defamation? Of course, they would have to prove his claim to false, which isn't likely to happen. But that would be the COA i think. What IF he is wrong, what IF tesla can do 0-60 from a hardstop? Then he would be found liable? Also the claim could get rather large since this channel is very large, and a large number of people say the false statement given as fact.
"unreasonably passionate about pointless statistics" could be the name of this channel. PS i love this channel
Not really a statistic...just a value or number
Since he is a pointless stat nerd,ask him to makes stats on number of times rajinikanth broke laws of physics.
pointless? these cars are sold based on these statistics. Big money in play
@@I_dont_want_an_at You really think the majority of buyers wouldn't buy it if it only does 2.5s 0-60 ??? It's more a little + than the whole point of this car ^^
It’s a pointless statistic to us car people, but not the car buying public. 0-60 sells cars and shares, it’s important to verify these claims
Actual 0-60 is a statistic that matters to some car folks. It would seem that most manufacturers overstate their numbers, while Porsche seems to understate them.
@@buckysti and porsche also as the repetitive performance after launchs.
It matters because it is something people can actually legally do with their car on the public roadway, you know where almost all driving takes place.
It’s not important to verify these claims, just as it’s not important to verify if Homeycomb cereal now tastes sweeting. Additionally this video doesn’t verify anything as this car hasn’t been produced. If the car comes out with a 1.91 0-60 (with roll out), what does that mean? I won’t care if Justin posts another video about how it’s not fairly because the tires perform poorly on the rain and ice.
@@buckysti Porsche understates everything. Even the range of their electric cars are understated. I don’t know how Porsche test the range of their cars, but it’s probably driving flat out in the Nurgburgring.
I love how you can hear how genuine his frustration is. It's for real for real a hot button to this dude. It's gotta be satisfying to have the knowledge and skills to channel all that rage to a whiteboard...😂😂😂
Dont see why he is frustrated, every other automaker also uses a 1 foot rollout.
@@odisy64 Because NO ONE should be using a one-foot rollout to report 0 - 60 or a road car.
@@Scorpio1075 why?
@@odisy64 LOL cause he said so
@@odisy64 false marketing
And this video is debunked, please delete
@Andrey Angere the car is being delivered with these official numbers, go watch the delivery event on UA-cam and read what the people that drove it are saying
@Andrey Angere you literally just said it did it in another word, so argue with yourself from here on.
So... it’s like when a UA-cam video is listed as 11:33 long, but it takes 13:47 to watch that 11:33 video because the commercials are not disclosed - damn those marketing departments
..adblock, no more words needed
Haha funny 😄
I wonder how much data those commercials use on my plan.
Thats why I subscribed to UA-cam Premium even though I have uBlock. No ads on any device, and it gives more money per view to the content creators, that way they have to worry less about sponsorships, which means better content.
Maaaade (reading takes longer than the actual word is) my day!🤣🤣🤣
Some company: Designs a 1200hp family sedan that claims it can do 0-60 in less than 1.8 seconds
Jason: *Gets out whiteboard* I'm about to end this mans whole career
that *can't* do 0-60 in less than 2.1 seconds. 🙂 (much less 1.8)
"Claims" rather
I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it, it would not surprise me if drag racers are able to do what it claims like has been possible on past Tealas.
Wait...
It's 1200hp???
The Koenigsegg Gemera claims 1700bhp and 3500Nm of torque with a 0-100 kph (62mph) time of 1.9 seconds. This is the one car manufacturer that I would believe could do it.
I love the fact that this is true for basically all road cars. You brake much faster than you accelerate. That's why people should want to accelerate up to freeway speeds from the second they hit the on-ramp to the freeway. Not in the last 100ft. Like a lot of people do.
Sadly, many people "accelerate" to 55 miles per hour when highway traffic is averaging 70+, forcing them to brake behind the slow moving entry ramp drivers.
I always see people talking about the "zipper merge" when trying to justify this behavior. Their only takeaway is that they should merge at the far end of the lane and somehow forget that a successful zipper merge requires not only that both lanes are moving at the same speed, but also that you merge behind the car in front of you.
@@mogwix The worst highway merges are those that enter into the left (fast) lane. The CA DMV has a training video that advises those entering the highway to accelerate to match the speed of cars in front of them.
I accelerate right when my car is straight on the on ramp. Many times, when no one is in front of me, I'm traveling a bit faster than people on the highway. Get right into the lane, without cutting anyone off, and people behind me having to slow down to merge.
I start accelerating at the apex of the turn onto the on-ramp :)
Dragtimes did it on vbox on a regular street. :-)
They deducted rollout too.
I love this guys enthusiasm for engineering and basic principles.
Same
So happy to be here to hear this epic rant (with max facts), as always so impressed. EE rules!
Tesla fans can hit the dislike button in under 2 seconds (less time than required to watch the video) 😅
Iam a Tesla fan and first time viewer I had no issue's with the video. It was very will done and very informative. Like most big company's there product vs there marketing are to different things. I think Tesla products are great there marketing not so much. Which surprise me because Elon himself despises dishonesty.
That's the fastest road legal dislike.
@@TheIceblade711 i'm intrigued,what makes you think Elon despises dishonesty ?
@@TheIceblade711 That's funny because Musk is as dishonest as Trump.
Just speak to any of his employees. He works close with them should not be a difficult task. Was not for me. You may not like him but like any person in that position dishonesty well get you fired faster then just about anything else. Why do think his employees are so loyal? One even turn down 300k in bitcoin to steal trade secrets an the employee went right to his boss.
Love this channel. Straight to the facts, real life application and no annoying like,share and subscribe. This is how I like channels to be.👍 Great fan of you. Keep up the good work
Seems like this video didn’t age well..
Aged very well, not a single video of plaid doing 0-60 under 2 seconds. Now when some non-musk fanboys get their hands on plaid, lets see what actual 0-60 times (without rollout) is!!! LOL
@@springer-qb4dv MotorTrend just did 1.98. 1-ft rollout and prepped track are the industry standard for 0-60 tests.
“Physics is the law, everything else is a suggestion”.
Never ask a Physicist, Statistician or Mathematician about sex they don't under stand the principle.
"Physics is the law and everything else is a recommendation" that's the real quote of Elon.
@@jakobholzner yeah I heard that part lol
Considering Elon has a few children I think he knows what to do a lot better than you do. One day you might t actually leave your mom's basement and talk to some real people lol
Yes dude...Elon Musk still tricked you all fanboys lol
This video isn't going to age well
I'm here before this comment blows up
Edit: did not age well.
@@mississippipitbull1700 can you explain why it didn’t age well did someone debunk it
Aged very well, not a single video of plaid doing 0-60 under 2 seconds. Now when some non-musk fanboys get their hands on plaid, lets see what actual 0-60 times (without rollout) is!!! LOL
@@springer-qb4dv Finaly someone said it. WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIK WE SEE THE 0-60 TIME
I see white board, I click.
I am happy.
0-60 in 2.0 seconds - pathetic
0-60 in 1.99 seconds - NOO WAY OMG
Haha basically! 2.0 is still very impressive, and hasn't been done by a production car. But under 2?! 🤯
@@EngineeringExplained just accelerate down a hill lol
@@EngineeringExplained it has by the plaid
It hit 0-60 in 1.98seconds
The Plaid+ has been dropped. But the Australian Tesla site clearly has the Plaid listing 0-100km/h at 2.1 seconds WITH an asterisk AND stating rollout is subtracted. All on the front page.
100 km/h is about 62 mph so that would likely contribute.
Tesla confirmed 1.98
@@epicgamingcat2097 Tesla lied
@@alvadagansta you got proof?
@@epicgamingcat2097 yeah with rollout smh
It happened...today
Tesla just did it. World record time at a certified drag strip with a speed faster than a Bugatti Chiron with 1.99 sec 0-60. Yes that was with the roll out. Yes, that is how every other car is measured 0-60. Apples to apples please.
But just to consider what you impressively explained, using mostly cars with a single axle being driven, and in the Porsche braking comparison. Do the math once again as Tesla probably did, using four wide tires for its four wheel acceleration/deceleration curves not just for two wide and two not so wide. Sizing them for the task on a car weight v tire contact area equivalency with the Porsche might just get the acceleration to fit the formula. I may be wrong but did you factor in the weight transfer effect in braking back to front wheels v acceleration front to back wheels that that Porsche was fighting in its deceleration G forces?
Four wide wheels, three big electric motors, superbly traction control engaged throughout the acceleration, instead of just at the instant of start that you use for the roll-out calculations. Are not all of the ICE cars in the comparison slowing for a shift before reaching 60?
The telling characteristic in the Tesla1/4 mile, Famoso Raceway record against the Bugatti Chiron's 1/4 mile record time was the top speed lower than the Bugatti. Obviously more acceleration G's were encountered in the Tesla earlier in the curve where the Bugatti had better acceleration later.
No one in the rest of the world measures 0-60 times with taking a bit off because that's how drag strips measure it.
@Amarjit Singh Dhesi Ok, then they should do it properly as well. Who's misinformed and clueless?
@Amarjit Singh Dhesi Rather than dictating, I'm just saying that trading standards would be involved in most countries where manufacturers make false claims.
@Amarjit Singh Dhesi These are not "standards" though. 0-60 is absolute, the time it takes to go from 0-60, If you start timing at 5 or 6mph then that's not 0-60, it's 5-60 or 6-60.
I am, actually, an engineer.
@Amarjit Singh Dhesi They're recruiting? Excellent! Though I have a job already thanks!
Why would you think 0-60mph was anything other than the time to go from 0mph to 60mph? It's physics. V=U+AT and all that.
Without rollout: 2.28 Seconds
With rollout: 1.98 seconds
Tesla 'blind' fans will never see this comment. I'm elon and tesla fan but I'm don't blindly follow people.
*On a prepped surface.
@@B4R0N. 2.28, unprepared lmao
Again, this is a lie. It did the 1.98 on a track where all drag racing is done under the exact same conditions every gas car drag races under 0-60 1.98. Give up your crusade.
This video didn’t age well…
Regarding what? Link
*Gets baby spoon out of the draw to feed commenter* Nothing, nothing at all.
Everyone keeps saying this but no one is actually showing how he was wrong. I'm not seeing any under 2s tesla videos
@@dennisbett747 There's literally a video of jay Leno doing it
@@neeljavia2965 I'm not in America so i don't have the full video. But even according to reports there are two poblems:
1. he doesn't actually get under 2s. I've read about 5 publications all talking about the fastest 1/4 mile (rimac easily beats this) but we've yet to see an under 2s time.
2. his times are measured by the NHRA which this video specifically mentions to be a flawed testing process as it's not really 0-60 but 5-60
If all cars are measured by these standards, then Tesla is using the rules of the game to compare to other cars. That's fine to me.
100% true
Yep. The truth is, all marketing is deception.
Absolutely. he literally says all large car companies do this. and knowing Tesla they are in serious competition for fastest factory car so only makes sense.
They don't all do this. Porsche does not. They will test their vehicles. The time they post is what an ordinary person can do in less than ideal conditions. So on average you can deduct 0.3 seconds on every time Porsche provides.
Porsche doesn't do that.
But it did hit 1.98 from stand still... on a street
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EE: No Tesla can hit 0-60 in under 2 sec
Elon: Hold my rocket 💨
XD cool. No dude. Elon would say: WATCH my rocket. It's already on Mars orbit. XD
@@GaborGubicza except it's not
And the plaid hit 0-60 in 1.98 seconds
"Unreasonably passionate about pointless statistics" ... my new IG bio
You have to love math & science for this to grasp your interest
Not pointless! -because it's fun! Fun is a worthy outcome!
@Joe Sorry you could not understand it!
This aged well 😄
Definitely made me laugh when this video popped up on my suggested this morning. I was thinking, this did not age well.
I don’t get it, why did it not age well?
@@matthewbrown1760 The Tesla Model S Plaid was finally revealed by Elon Musk. Event was so flashy. They even had a mini drag strip for people to test 0-60. And boy it seemed fast.
@@mohammedomer3798 I did see that but not sure how that refutes this guy’s analysis. Also, looks as if the plaid plus was cancelled.
@@matthewbrown1760 because the model s did 0-60 in 2 sec with 5 passangers wich should make every thing this dude said futile . and as elon musk said plaid is just so good and there was no need really for the plaid plus
You owe everyone who watched this video a follow up
Yes haha
Checkout the Rimac Nevera! From a country you probably never heard and a population of under 4 Million. That's about 1/2 the size of New York.
@@kevinburke6743 Already have
@@kevinburke6743 now that everyone found about about this polish car from a company that only makes a few of each model all the people who want to prove Tesla wrong are running with this even though they don’t care about the actual car and don’t bring up the price or how many models are going to be maid for a reason.
@@HarrisonAdAstra Yes of course you are correct they a little mom and pop shop that nobody has heard of. Yes this is only the second model of car they have they have ever produced. But did you Know the running gear of the Porsche is RIMAC? The New Ferrari SF90 is RIMAC. the Paganini Batista is Rimac. Do thousands of cars count? Tens of Thousands of cars? Electricity, Clean Simplicity.!
This is why I love Porsche they don't do that. They actually intentionally underestimate their numbers. The numbers they provide is what you can do in pretty much nearly all conditions. On average you can deduct 0.3 seconds from their stated 0-60 times
That would be overestimating, because under-estimating means that the number is smaller.
@@rustler08 i think he means in terms of a car’s capability to accelerate. A lower numerical value represents a higher capability of acceleration. In this case, yes, Porsche is underestimating it’s acceleration times.
@@rustler08: Good thing you're on the internet. Where being stoopid has no real world consequences.
Plaid beat the 918 spyder.
@@Shfytwo it does, but Porsche doesn’t lie about their numbers, and integrity is more important than speed for many people.
Obelix is looking for his friend Asterix, have you seen him? I know you mentioned him plenty of times
He needs to Getafix for his pronunciation?
Tf just happened