JAILBREAKING A Bambu Lab X1C With X1Plus!
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Check out the (not yet released) firmware for yourself at www.x1plus.net/
Have you ever wanted ultimate control of your @BambuLab X1C?? Today we’re going over the soon-to-be-released X1Plus custom firmware! Access console commands, look at lidar data of your prints, view unencrypted data, and use your machine, securely!
Note UI is likely to change from what we have shown.
What’s your favorite feature the X1Plus firmware offers? Let us know in the comments!!
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0:00 Intro
1:01 Primary Features
5:24 Installing X1Plus
6:57 Is X1Plus For You?
10:01 Extra Features: Existing, Upcoming, & Potential!
13:45 Outro
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"Not a necessity but nice to have" this is such a powerful reason for this kind of thing to exist. Things that the manufacturer doesn't think are worth the time and cost, or things they don't think of because there's a limited number of engineers. This kind of project can make cool new features available, and who knows, maybe the idea takes off.
Amen to that!
Impressive job you all have done!
Thanks for sharing this video 🙂
Thanks!
Thank you, for making these videos. I am looking forward to the next video.
Absolutely!
Absolutely love X1 Plus for nothing more than network security without having to pay an extra $1,000 just to be business compliant. Definitely a boon for small businesses.
well, the X1E is NOT safe on a network, and still must be online to update. I am not an expert on network security, but I can at least verify that this is clean when it comes to connections!
I asked this question in a Op thread but you are running someone else's code. How can you be sure it is safe? What security holes are in it?
"beware of Greeks bearing gifts"
We have no clue what this software can do. And keep in mind the initial code can be updated OTA so who knows that the payload could be later.
Rogue dev in the group wanna nuke a machine who will catch that?
Code disable any of the fancy iptables routing.. How can you tell?
Bugs, glitches, crashes and security.. All in a group giving you free software...
I argue we are in more insecure boat running this code.
Bud, take the tinfoil hat off for a second, seriously. Once you get to know the team I think you will understand their intentions like I did..
X1+ enables you to make the machine as secure, or otherwise, as you would like. You got a full linux terminal, have fun.
@@3DMusketeers just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean no one is after me. Lol
There are so many [great] free programs that are now scamware. Winzip, ccleaner, avast Aethers2x ad infinitum. Not all open source software is clean either.
Look you have a personal relationship with these guys and you trust them, but circumstances change. We don't know them. They haven't introduced themselves(outside of 2 on 3d printing nerd)
They haven't shown others their code to test. We dont know what deal they have with Bambu.
We don't know if anyone has pen tested their code.
They can update OTA and that means any payload can be installed, that is code that may not may ever touch github or be subject to inspection since it has Bambu firmware in it and we have to trust what they put in? But even if it is open we are assuming someone is checking 10s of thousands of lines of code to find an issue.
See what I mean? I don't know how big the team is or who is contributing what, so rightfully, people should be skeptical.
I'm kinda surprised you more trusting of people inviting you into a group and telling you "trust me bro" when the whole idea of you avoiding Bambu updates but are offering their own in a shiny package.
@@3DMusketeers I could ask the same as you. I don't know these people. "trust me bro" is hardly good security advice.
While the kernel-level IP block is certainly the best part of the firmware, I can't help but really like the idea of being able to map commands to the physical buttons. I still wouldn't give Bambu Lab money directly, but this firmware at least makes the idea of buying a used Bambu printer a remote possibility for me (although the Phrozen Arco might end up being the better choice due to its size anyway).
Perhaps even better than the IP blocker is that the X1 Plus team puts users first, unlike Bambu Lab which puts Bambu Lab (and their unspecified partner entities) first.
great points overall!
Awesome!
thanks!
Thanks for the video! Any prognosis on when the release might come?
It is technically out, but they changed how its done now, and I am not happy about it.. You HAVE TO update to Firmware R. So those of us that want to remain air gapped because we rightfully cannot trust Bambu are left stuck.. The 3MF exploit they say is too dangerous, but then again, it was on bambu machines for YEARS.
Seem like a good option for security reason and control
100%
This looks great! Are there plans to offer anything similar for Bambu's P1 printers?
I'm not aware of any plans like that
Any idea if the x1+ will allow users to actually adjust the main camera's brightness? A large amount of us are tired of having a million LED'S inside the enclosure and still not being able to produce well lit footage because the camera auto adjusts to extremely dim the footage.
What is the Rockchip Driver Assistant (all versions) about is the x1+ firmware
that driver lets the machine connect to your PC via usb.
I'm excited to see what hardware secrets will be discovered, The bed mesh should allow for precise adjustments of the screws. The cameras will be a goldmine, and that is just the start. Do you have any idea when it will be released?
I do not. Last I heard they are targeting to release along side of Bambu and the Firmware R as they put it
"The pass code you use for your luggage" I'm 💀, nice pull
its technically a Spaceballs reference lol
@@3DMusketeers the X1+ team definitely gave Bambulab the raspberry with this one.
indeed :)
I remember running Linux off a zip drive in the 90s and having to write our own drivers. There was no gui at all. I wrote a vga driver for running unreal in software mode. Haha. It was very simple software. Mostly just rewrapping a hex dump of the pentium igpu driver hahaha.
ooof zip drives lol
Grant, do you know if the X1Plus firmware will allow the user to download the log files to a computer rather than the SD card? If not, would something like that be possible?
I'm not sure as it's not a feature I'd ever use personally. Once we detail what's exactly in the logs you can go find the folders yourself and see, I guess?
The reason I ask is when you get support from Bambu, they usually ask for the log files and it's enough of a PIA to get them as it is. Sure, they may refuse support if you're running Plus, but if you're having a hardware issue, maybe not, and making it easier to get those files for them would be nice.
The X1Plus guys and I agree that the level of personal data in the logs is not okay. Thankfully Bambu listens to them, apparently not to me, but hey thats fine.. It is not a current implementation, however it is possible in theory. You could always just pull it via FTP as well and never have to walk to the machine I guess
WHAT! It’s for me it’s for me!!!
its pretty sweet!
Any chance of something like this for the P1S?
Not yet alas.
Is there any reason to keep 1.6.5 FW on my X1C with regard to using X1Plus ? Or should I just keep upgrading as usual ?
I think there is a good reason but that's ultimately up to you
Wooov that's great...if this becomes a reality in the future, with a bootloader and option for X1plus software. Then I buy a Bambu lab X1
It is a nice piece of software
Very interesting, I'm looking into a bit higher-end printer and the X1C has been on my radar (as well as the Prusa Mk4), but the X1C was always a bit oof for me thanks to the locked down firmware. This opens a ton of possibilities.
Are you interested into doing a sort of "best of 2023" thing for your opinions on the printers of last year, I'm having trouble finding the actual distinctions and pro/cons between all the stuff that was released.
We did a podcast about this already if that is of value?
@@3DMusketeers I did listen to the podcast but it's a bit rambley/derails offtopic a bit and it's hard to sit around for 1.5hr and take notes, podcasts I usually listen to when doing something else and then I just miss parts which isn't helpful when determining what brand and type of printer fits my budget and usecase.
I've been looking at other places online but either it's shills that get paid to promote printers or it's AI generated garbage that just regurgitates that shill talk, and there is just a lot of conflicting information out there and hard to determine what is an ad and what isn't these days.
I was looking more for a 15-20 minute edited presentation on a bunch of popular printers or printers you think we should keep an eye on, with like key features that are either positive or negative for a printer and why. For example the X1C has carbon-fiber rods that are essentially wear components, but even though it's in the name (X1 Carbon) it's barely mentioned anywhere, but that is something you would've mentioned for sure.
That is my adhd issues in the podcast.. I have considered going to pre recorded but I like the live format..
We did not do one of those in 2023 regrettably, because it would have been easy clicks, but SMRRF and the resulting trip messed up my timing
@@3DMusketeers Don't get me wrong I love your podcasts, but yeah I imagined for the easy clicks you would've made a video but that explains it. Thanks for the hard work!
Nah my schedule got away from me lol, we missed on that one ha ha!
for the network part , you can also block x1c ip outbound from router
You can, but you better be sure it works and the IP never changes. Often it's better on a machine level than a router level IMO
@@3DMusketeers if IP change my router will send notifycation to my phone , also you can config the router to manually auth new device connection
still the sensor data is nice , but I guess I need to wait firmware R and warranty end
Some routers are good like that, some are not, some users know, some dont LOL. I feel like blocking it on kernel is just easier, since, realistically, the machine should not be doing any of that in a business class environment to begin with.
is there a possibility this may happen with the p1p/p1s as well?
not with the initial release but who knows long term
I went to get the firmware and it's not ready yet. 😜 I will keep an eye on the site and run this on my X1C.
Like I said, as soon as it is released we will let people know :)
@@3DMusketeers Guess I missed that part and if you need a beta tester let me know please sir. ;-)
not my decision there LOL
As long as Bambu Lab printing firmware sources are not available for editing, the printer is closed source, X1Plus or OEM. Moddable linux layer doesn't change it.
As it is (and, without breaking BL IP, which X1Plus team avoids, as it will be), one cannot alter or modify the printing (e.g. motion or stepper driving). Useful and fancy stuff can be added, but only within the limits of what closed base allows.
that is correct, however with X1P being open source itself, if someone wanted to gain further access they have a pretty decent head start.
@@3DMusketeersequipped by army of lawyers to fight back 😅
It's just a matter of time before someone reverse engineers BL code and 💩-storm rises...
It's also just a matter of time before someone ports Klipper (both sides) to X1 a) to avoid BL IP issues 🤐 b) because one can 😆
I would be fine with those scenarios.
finaly
yes sir!!
The pin lock screen really impressed me until I read it can be overcome by simply removing the SD card.
I have only had my X1C a few months so will not be flashing X1C+ just yet
well, you can defeat the X1Plus firmware entirely by removing the SD card but the machine will yell at you. It is unlikely to be where this is a full install on the machine, it makes way more sense to run on the SD card. You can easily print a cover that will block SD card access on the machine if that is your prerogative.
All the new klipper or input shaper enabled printers run on a Linux based sbc.
Anyone know of a good opengl book for c++? All the books I buy are crap and I am just designing 2.5d screen savers that do particle simulation. Kinda like the ps2 ducks tech demo.
I think doom has been done buddy. Like 6 months ago.
I cant help there sorry!
And no, no doom on a Bambu yet
What kind of wear on the card slot are we looking at running a whole OS layer on a mem card?
Those screens arent cheap @ $150 bucks
How long has someone tested this?
What kind of class of mem card is recommended? (size/speed/class)
What speeds does the card slot use?
What happens if the card slot fails during operation / pull it out?
Will this cause print head crashes or other issues?
Does the bbl firmware kick in immediately if the card fails and the parts are heated?
Will the printer cool the printer print head/bed? will it safely shut down?
"Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should"
-Ian Malcolm
I have a high endurance card because I found the Bambu before the X1Plus firmware to kill cards.
I have been running it nonstop for a month now with no issues. I use a Samsung high endurance 128gb card. Not much speed is needed, a normal card should be fine.
As for if the slot fails or its pulled out the print immediately will stop as the firmware is missing. The machine would reset within 10 seconds and it would automatically reset temps and such to 0. I do not believe it can be recovered. I have never had this happen.
If there is no card it will ask you what you want to do, how you want to boot, be it stock, stock without some features, or install a new version of X1Plus.
The machine will safely shut down as far as the machine goes but it could damage your card in theory. it is basically like pulling a hard drive from a computer.
No wear is present on the screen that we can see. It is WAY less than if you have it recording your prints, that EATS memory cards lol
Unless you're constantly plugging and unplugging the card, there'll be no additional wear on the slot itself, and as the OS runs from the card so you may never remove it again (you can FTP files to it) it may be that there's *less* physical wear.
In terms of flash wear on the card itself, the same recommendations for cards would apply as for something like a Raspberry Pi. The ideal would be a high endurance card with active wear levelling.
I have a stock X1C, with current updates, from Aug 2022 (kick starter) never had a card fail and still running the same 64GB samsung SD card, that spent years in an android phone prior. I 4500hrs printed(time lapses and occasional fill video) and counting.
I do FTP files off and over (thank you Ashley print shop)
While I am out of warranty I have never needed to use it either. The X1+ team seem like good folks but I have zero issues with my printer and no issues they can fix while adding potential to damage to the printer.
Neat project, but I have a feeling Bambu will just start "borrowing" these features in their firmware. 🤔
Well, that is the beauty of open source, Bambu can use the code, with proper attribution and access to the source of course.
@@3DMusketeersOr they can just come up with their own version and not show attribution to anyone. I remember when people said they were running kilpper. The open source guys were up in arms about stolen code and no attribution. They weren't running klipper though...
IE their silent stepper drivers are in house, the integration of bambu handy, makerworld...
They have a bunch of former DJI guys so it's not like they need to copy the straight code. Just take the ideas and run their own version.
One thing I would like to point out if you have the luxury of Microcenter, the Microcenter extended warranty covers alternate firmwares. If you bought one from Microcenter and bork your printer for whatever reason, just take it back to microcenter. they would like the machine to be relatively stock, but that is nore to do with the hardware than the software.
oh, thats good to know!
Does the work for the A1 Mini?
Nope. Not yet
@@3DMusketeers DARN!
Hopefully, if there are enough machines out there, maybe they will.
Tip of the hat you mean tip of the red hat :p 3:11
aaaayyyeeeeeee
Has anyone taken a low level look at the firmware?
yes :) That is how X1Plus was built to begin with, what questions did you have?
@@3DMusketeers just wondering if anything 'interesting' was found 😬
where at lol? I know in my poking around I found a lot of things I was unhappy with overall..
@@3DMusketeers when I say "low level" I mean disassembling binaries to see how things work, and possibly find GPL violations.
Once they go public you can ask them directly :)
Genuine (non-offensive) question: Why did they decide to call X1Plus a "firmware"? Wouldn't it be better to call it an "alternative OS"?
I mean (as they mentioned in the 3D Printing Nerd's video), all they did was they found a way to allow booting an alternative Linux distro from an SD card. And that OS, as it sits currently, also uses Bambu Lab's firmware, and not their own.
I wanted to call it a skin, but technically since it is a new firmware, they want it called a firmware. I, frankly, dont care enough to get into the minutia about it LOL
I was looking into x1 plus but I’ve already updated to 01.07.01
yeah :/ gotta wait for the Firmware R
@@3DMusketeers yeah I’m watching for it. Part of me is still debating if I should just go for it when they release firmware are or if I should wait until my year warranty is up and then try and put 1+ on it.
I think we should see how Bambu handles this A1 drama then that decision may be easier
@@3DMusketeers what’s the a1 drama? All I’ve heard about is the heat bed cord and they seem to be fixing that. Only other thing I can think of is releasing it so soon after the mini. Did I miss something?
No, its the heatbed cord potentially catching fire. I will go into it more on Friday. It is a massive engineering oversight that puts users at risk
But can it run Crysis ?
maybe..
interesting but my X1C is still under warranty so, maybe later
totally understandable
@@3DMusketeers Do you think it's possible with this kind of mod to add an usb or ethernet port ? ( to replace the wifi card and control the printer like the prusa link )
not only is it possible, it has been done. It is about making it reasonable at this point LOL.
@@3DMusketeers great news
indeed! Some tight space constraints, but it is possible
It's clear that Bambu are trying to saturate the market with all the sponsored advertising. To me, it's just the hot new thing. Wait a year and you'll see they are just another business and the bottom line always wins.
I want to be REAL clear lol, they are not sponsoring me LOL
Well you wont find any sponsored advertising from Bambu here lol. The Bambu community is convinced Grant is out to get them despite still recommending their machines to the people that it would be good for and Bambu certainly hasn't a great relationship with him lol.
truth^^
all ready 3 months and nothing from first video.... and now only with firmware R if its actually come out.
That's not within my control though....
What about Board UART connection? Is possible somehow make firmware backup copy, lets say 1.7.0 version, after update and if need downgrade like nothing happen? or even better, share copy to others to can downgrade anytime and dont need use fancy "FIRMWARE R" when come out. I think, is some how way around it. @@3DMusketeers
I would not know..
Firmware isn’t out so videos mostly irrelevant.
You seem to be the only one commenting that feels that way... Odd..
@@3DMusketeers I’ve been seeing videos on and off describing the x1plus and its features. Last video I saw was a sit down with the creators walking though the firmware. Until it’s out it’s like the other videos from months ago.
okay, cool.
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