Cora and Simon's Love Affair | Downton Abbey
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2020
- Cora befriends art historian Simon Bricker, who visits Downton to study paintings at the house. Cora cannot deny enjoying the company and flirtatious attention that Simon effortlessly brings. Until, Simon decided to unexpectedly visit her room one evening to make advances, which Cora rejects. Robert walks in on the pair and gets into a fight with Simon!
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Affair? They didn’t even kiss. I would’ve called it “Simp art dealer gets friend-zoned”
Haha ikr? 🤦♀️😁
Agreed. This is nothing compared to what Robert did with Jane the maid back in season 2.
@@LGranthamsHeir at least Jane was a real smokeshow.
@@LGranthamsHeir you can technically have an affair without kissing. It’s an emotional one. I think Lady G had her head turned for a second, but as to this being an affair, no.
"Simp art dealer gets his comeuppance." The friend zone is not a real place, it's a title hurting folks give to missing out on love with the other party does not reciprocate.
She was flattered by his attentions and they bonded over common interests, but a love affair? Not at all.
I was just going to write a similar comment. There was no "love affair." Yes, Cora was flattered by his attentions to her, but she loves Robert and is loyal.
Exactly. The actor playing Simon did a good job - the character seemed to be trying to will his admiration for Cora into some kind of romantic chemistry that was never meant to be, for more reasons than one. How else could you play an art historian who tries to seduce a well-to-do married lady?
Excuse me, a Wife has no business bonding with any Man not her Husband no matter what.
@@scottfarley3644 alright grandpa.
@@lemonsquire5993 Yes, Generation Zero, only old folks still maintain faithfulness to their spouses. How quaint.
Robert had flirted and kissed that housemaid called Jane and he got away with it. I really couldn't stand watching him sulk after what he almost done himself.
Exactly and have that intention to have sex with her to bring her secretly in his room and almost leave Cora to build strong feelings with that maid even care for her son.
It's a man's world with a you like it or not
Very true... these guys never even kiss to call it 'an affair'...what Robert and jane had , that can be called and affair
He nearly went to bed with her
@P Watson I can't believe Cora didn't catch the thousand looks between Dr. Clarkson and the Dowager while he told them what the Dowager wanted him to say.
And even when he did, Grantham still pushed on about his gentleman doctor maybe being right 😩
Even knowing Robert had it coming, if he hadn't walked in I did not see Cora accepting Simon's advances. Even her face was showing no signs of wavering, responding firmly and professionally the whole time.
That is one loyal wife.
She might not have accepted but neither did Anna when that guy raped. Bricker was going all out here and I believe he was gonna get physical if Robert hadn’t entered.
Whereas Robert was not a completely loyal husband.
I think she would have given in
@@hannahdyson7129 She clearly wasn't interested.
That’s his guilt reacting from his own affair. We always project our own bad actions in a circumstance like this onto our partners- it’s human nature. This was another realistic scenario that made Downton Abbey the stellar hit that it is and I fervently hope there will be more seasons to come!
It’s so nice that Edith is the one that hears her parents making noise in their room and her mother shouting and she worries and comes check on them. It really shows that Cora would have been right that she would be the one to look after them in old age. That is till the point she got married and moved away
Well they ignored her for the most part. If anything poor girl finally got a happy ending
@@defiantaichi yes, when parents show such obvious preference for one child over another there are long time consequences. Poor Edith was a middle child and a girl. She wasn’t the prettiest nor the most charming, just the most ignored. I have seen this happen with my parents with only one son and there are eight girls. One of my sisters had to tolerate being the most ignored (also the most picked on too). Life long issues due to that.
She might not have done a great job considering she took her mom’s lame excuse that they were “playing a game”.
@@johnboy32064 I think she knew but out of respect for her mother who clearly wanted to get rid of her she asked if she was sure before leaving p
@samantha smith its not about preference. Sybil was the youngest. She's still a 'baby' in Cora's eyes. That's why she was so against her becoming a nurse because she worried her innocence would be ruined. When she died she told her she would always be her baby and that remains true, alive or dead, no matter how old you are. The youngest child is always the baby to a parent.
"Well, don't you ever ask her opinion ?" .... touché!
Even as douchy as he was, Simon was still good for Cora's character developement and Robert's relationship to Cora.
Robert probably believed that Cora’s days of being desired were over, but he should have believed in her more. Yes, older women could and did fall prey to the attentions of other men yet not one such as Cora. She loved her family deeply and even if he did pay a lot of attention to her while enjoying her company, there was no chance of a more in-depth relationship because Cora just didn’t seek nor want it.
Mr Bricker was too forward with Cora, but she was flattered by his attention and compliments. Lord Grantham, like lots of married men, has taken her for granted for years. His insulting words to her prove he doesn't much respect her, her interests, or intellect. Which is unforgivable.
He is merely suspicious of Mr. Bricker. Cora thought of him more as a friend and ignored the compliments, etc missing the signals. What he said was harsh yes, but he was still upset that his plans for him and Cora were ruined.
steemdup “like lots of married men” see you’re taking for granted the fact that married men treat their wives like this...
There are quite few things which can be termed as *unforgivable*
Another spiteful femminist drivel. And a nonsense conclusion based on wrong premises. And btw he "took her for granted" rigthfully so just as she "took him for granted" because that is what they vowed during their wedding ceremony. And their generation took those vowes very seriously. Why do you think they usually really hesistated and weighted all the pros and cons before getting married and didn't rush to it at the first sign of mutual attraction? Divorce was very hard to get and had huge ramifications in those days and their personal integrity was on stake if they broke their marriage vows.
CzechMirco what world are you from? People are talking longer to get married now than anytime in history... They used to get married after meeting a few times during the time of downtown abbey, all of girls married without barely spending any alone time with their fiancés, are we even watching the same series? Also, this went on in many circles up until recently, Prince Charles and Princess Diana only meet 10 times before getting engaged. And those ten times were with weeks in between.
Now make a montage of Robert's actual affair
They did! They made one before releasing this one actually.
He DIDNT HAVE AN AFFAIR. he kissed Jane and then broke up wiht her because he felt guilty
@@glen7318 "Broke up" with her, yes, he broke up the AFFAIR he was having with her. Robert passionately kissed Jane and had full intentions of pulling her into his bed while Cora laid dying of the spanish flu in the next room, INSANE. The only reason he didn't sleep with Jane and that they stopped was because they got interrupted.. so Robert came to his senses. It was an affair also because Robert got feelings for Jane, while Cora never even kissed Bicker or felt anything for him other than friendship. She shut down every attempt of his, while Robert pursued Jane and came at her, kissing her several times... he had an affair, she did not.
I think Cora was simply fed up with typical social nonsense conversation and wanted some intellectual conversation and bicker provided it for her. But then he got ahead of himself with flattering her😒😒
There was no "love affair," at least not on Cora's part! Cora was flattered by the attention as her interests and intellect were never valued by Robert. "You can't know what a good time I had," he said. "Please may we do it again?" Her response: "I doubt it. But I hear the offer as a compliment." That's it in a nutshell for her. That should have been the end of it for him. Had he been a better gentleman, it would have been. One good thing that came out of this whole scenario was Robert seeing Cora as a woman who was still desirable to other men and not just for her connections to American money. Robert did right to fight with Simon. Cora had things well in hand by the time Robert arrived, but it had to do Cora's heart good to know that two men were fighting over her. LOL That would flatter a woman at any age! LOL edit: well maybe not well in hand! That man wasn't taking no for an answer! Good thing Robert arrived when he did! Cora might have had to fight him off! Then we would have had another Pamoot situation! Tee hee hee!
I feel like it was less about Robert fighting for Cora and more about his ego. He was upset that he was called out on his lack of awareness to his wife by another man who has an interest in her, who she also admires. No man likes to know another man is trying to take what belongs to him. If it was really about fighting for her he shouldn't have been mad at her and acknowledged his fault in taking her for granted.
It’s Pamuk
Yeah, I don't think Cora was "flattered" Robert attacked Simon to soothe his fragile ego. I think she just wanted them both to leave her alone at that point.
Elisabeth McGovern, underrated actress. Her acting on Downton Abbey, was a winner.
Elizabeth is so versatile. Love her acting.
Lord Grantham really had it coming. He doesn’t respect Cora, and only gives her time and affection when it benefits him. It’s kind of hypocritical for him to hold it against her when earlier in the series the tables had been turned and he was the one looking for outward validation from Jane the housemaid. Cora really didn’t do anything wrong, she wasn’t actively pursuing Mr. Bricker the same way he was pursuing Jane.
i believe this '' affair '' opened his eyes so that he could see Cora with renewed eyes and renewed interest. sometimes a little bit of competition is a good thing :-)
@@celinee.9562 : I agree, he had his eyes opened to what a charming and special wife he has. I think that he subconsciously jumped to the conclusion of a love affair between them, due to his questionable behavior with that maid.
I hated this guy so much, but Lord Grantham had it coming a mile away.
Agreed.
Yup. Especially after what he did back in season 2 when Cora almost died from the Spanish Flu.
Exactly
@@LGranthamsHeir oh, and a few times before. He was generally dismissive to her intellect before. Additionally, he is one of the good characters but boy, does he like the spotlight to be solely on him! Remember how very irritated he was when Cora paid more attention to the soldiers/hospital/charity help than to him (when she was in charge of the house during the war)?
i liked him
Oh my gosh when he entered her bedroom my heart was pounding
Elizabeth doesn't get enough credit for adapting a mid Atlantic accent for this.
Robert had alot of nerve getting offended and angry at Cora when he was the 1st to be disloyal to her and actually cheat on her. He desired another woman under the same roof "with every fiber of his being" and would've made love to that maid had Bates not knocked on his door. Guilty as sin. Also, Robert saying no professional would be interested in Cora's opinions is a straight attack on her confidence and self esteem which is typical gas lighter and narcissistic behavior. Only weak, controlling, insecure, little men behave this way.
You said it all Sis. Didn’t like Robert at all. He was like this with her and any women (his daughters etc…)
The way she faked that convo with Edith 😂😂😂
Thank heavens this didnt become Pamuk the sequel 😂
🤣👍🏻
"Pamuk the sequel" omggg
Omg 😂
This is such fun: seeing Simon (Richard E. Grant) reunited with Cora (Elizabeth McGovern) talking about 1789/the "Fall of the Bastille" during "The French Revolution". While back in 1999 Richard played Sir Percy Blakeney aka "The Scarlet Pimpernel" & Elizabeth was his wife Lady Marguerite Blakeley, trying to smuggle French Aristocrats out of France to safety in England.
The best part was when Robert said "And tell him to stop flirting with Isis!" Lmaoooo
Is it really an affair or mixed signals? I always thought Core enjoyed having a male friend to hang with and said friend became too attached to the point of thinking she loved him, which Robert then made an assumption about.
It was an emotional affair. She REALLY enjoyed that attention...a bit too much but it never would have gone further.
@@believensee8621 I don´t think it was an affair at all. She only enjoyed having SOMEONE to talk about the things she loved. She didn´t shared her intelectual interests with her husband or daughters, because none of them were interested in that. We also don´t know of any friend of HER. Poor Cora is held hostage on DA without no one to talk about interesting things
@@believensee8621 Robert passionately kissed Jane and had full intentions of pulling her into his bed while Cora laid dying of the spanish flu in the next room, INSANE. The only reason he didn't sleep with Jane and that they stopped was because they got interrupted.. so Robert came to his senses. Robert is the one having an AFFAIR because Robert got feelings for Jane, while Cora never even kissed Bicker or felt anything for him other than friendship. She shut down every attempt of his, while Robert pursued Jane and came at her, kissing her several times... he had an affair, she did not.
I would call this Simon's love affair. Cora was more than a little naive to be sure, and liked having a friend, but perhaps was blind to his intentions.
Yes, I too think that she was naive because she was given in marriage to Robert (due to his title and high rank) when she was ‘just out of the school room’. She had very little experience in the adult world before her marriage.
This was not a love affair. Cora finally had someone to tell a story to. She set her boundaries from the beginning.
Robert should have remembered what he told Alfred in an earlier season. "Are you ready to cast the first stone Alfred because I'm certainly not" Robert didn't waste time throwing his at Cora, when he did begin an affair with Jane by going full on with his kissing her.
Cora did not participate in an affair. She was too principled to do that. Yes, she enjoyed his compliments, but that's hardly an affair. Mr. Bricker would happy engage in an affair if she allowed it, but she was insulted and reacted as such from the start.
I love this actor tho, Richard Grant. He’s amazing and funny in everything
Ok. First of all, your title is completely wrong. Cora and Simon DID NOT have a love affair. He wanted to be with her but wanted NOTHING to do with him in that way.
She gave signals though.
@@edwinfcapidos I don't know...I think she was just being friendly and gracious.
@@terrigaines1812 : that is what I believe too, as she was so very naive and young when she married. She was barely out of school and then whisked away to another country and style of life. She must have known that her marriage was due to her fathers money, yet she was a dutiful wife who came to love her husband very much. So many of those similar marriages did not ever involve love, even after many years together.
@@slcRN1971 So in all those years in English society, she should have learned how to handle flirtation and admirers
It would be dishonest to call this an affair. I feel as though the person running his UA-cam channel has a affinity for needless scandal.
Thanks Obi Wan
It's just clickbait i guess
Not sure if affair is the right word here. Yes he went to her room but Cora asked him to leave. That is nothing compared to kissing a maid.
5:10 my wife isn't allowed to have fun unless I'm involved lol
I love Cora, I think the series did a great job of characterizing her as an optimists who likes to see the best is every situation and every person. It’s both a strength and a flaw, the latter is seen here as she is blind to the man’s true intentions. She is a great example of a mature well developed person, but one who still has flaws because no one is perfect, but we can always improve!
I love how she covered up their fight.
The thing I like about lord Grantham is that at times his values are so old fashioned and double-standard, but he always admits and apologises when he in the wrong.
Right, like when he had that affair with Jane
9:21 FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT
Lol. That’s I could feel that bitchslap. It woke me up lol
Robert: **accuses his wife of cheating**
Cora: **is offended after being loyal to him for decades and showing no interest in cheating, cuts off the conversation, and leaves to go to bed**
Robert: **surprised Pikachu face**
Like, the dude was genuinely surprised that she would be upset with him after he insulted her and accused her of being with someone else. What a baby.
I think the title is unfair. Cora enjoyed the companionship for their common interest in art, but never misconstrued it as romance.
its so sweet edith hearing raised voices and rushing to make sure there ok
Robert was in his worst form during this arc. Ignoring and being rude as hell to Cora and then having the audacity to act like he had the moral high ground after kissing that maid and almost sleeping with her he was just interrupted by Bates and thought better. I love Lord Grantham but both husband and I were rolling our eyes in exasperation at him during this. Cora is a gem.
I love the Scarlet Pimpernel reunion.
4:19 is the most skilled turn-down I've ever seen.
Cora deserved better than the abuse and neglect hashed on her by Robert.
That painting is such a mood though...
Cora’s voice is literal ASMR
I'll have you home by midnight
Oh a lot sooner than that
*Count big Ben's chimes as they leave and walk to leave.
11pm😂
I'd like to see the behind the scenes rehearsals for the Robert/Simon fight. How it was pulled off would be interesting.
In this interview, ua-cam.com/video/XQxoLm-38ms/v-deo.html , Huge Bonneville said that it took 9 hours and 45 minutes to shoot this only 23 second fight scene. And that it was such an exhausting thing to do. Plus it was an unequal fight according to Hugh, him having all that extra body weight squashing the slender figured Richard E.Grant. Even cracking 1 of Richard's ribs in the process!!! 😳✌🏻
Hugh Bonneville said that they had to do over the scenes over and over again and he cracked Mr. Brickers back
I just realized this dude is the murderer from corpse bride. Run, Cora run!
Also, Great Intelligence from Doctor Who.
I keep trying to watch this but find my tension levels going through the roof & have to change to another video clip even though I know what happens.
Robert can be such a hypocrite at times.
This wasn’t even an affair but this guy was infinitely better than Robert. Kinda wished that ulcer could’ve taken him out.
He wasnt . He would have cheated on Cora eventually
We got to learn so much more about Cora since no one else seemed interested to find out 😢
4:46 - 5:45 Robert was such an @$$! More-so than he usually was where Cora was concerned. So yes, had Cora looked outside the marriage for attention and affection, he would have had it coming. But, she didn't!
I'm sure Edith was like wow tmi mom
@Jane Waller too much information.
I know it sounded weird. Cora said “we were just playing a stupid game”, I thought about that more and it sound nasty
Cora didn’t have an affair with Mr.Bricker, all the emotions, flirting and romantic feelings were only experienced by him. He projected his feelings on Cora. He was definitely delusional. But he did recognize Cora’s worth, her intelligence, and her beauty. Mr. Bricker esteemed Cora an an interesting and intelligent woman, unlike Robert who insults her. Her reply to him was perfect.
@samantha smith I can’t concur with your assumption; maybe she would and then again maybe she wouldn’t and leave it at that.
@@themermaidstale5008 I can "concur" that yours Is an arrogant comment.
CLASSIC LOKI! WHATCHA DOIN IN DOWNTON ABBEY? Is this a nexus event lol 😆
Not an ''affair'', not a ''couple''... He literally tried to impose himself on her despite her asking to leave.
I’m not proud of this, but I cheered when Robert slugged that slime ball! That’s still my favorite “You Had It Coming!” moment!!
Okay, everyone just calm down! 😂 Because they forgot to add the scene where Robert is still sleeping in his dressing room and Cora tells him something to the effect off, unless you can honestly say that you have never let a flirtation get out of hand, then by all means stay here. Otherwise I want you back in our bed tonight! Cora "knew", though not knowing the facts, she "knew". Robert then realizes and goes back. Also, this was not an "affair", though Cora did "enjoy" the attentions of another man. It would have been inappropriate had she acted on it and not, very firmly I might add, said no. Especially when he was in her room.
The Countess Dowager remarks was so true! If he was jealous, why he didn't do something like that a lot before and just appreciate his wife's intellectual knowledges
At least he admitted that he pushed into her room against her Will so as to absolve her of home in the sordid affair
Also love that the actor Richard Grant actually damaged a rib during one of the tales 😂
I LOVE CORA
There was no love affair. She was flattered he was interested and paying attention to her
Richard E. Grant is a terrific actor, I did not care for his character here at all though.
It's the fawning that's so irksome. I can forgive the earnestness about the artwork but the _fawning_ over Cora puts me right off.
The love Cora gets on here is hilarious 😂
She and Robert deserved each other .
That backhand was vicious. Dang!
I hope to look as good as Simon at that age...
Flirting is never harmless.
This was hardly a love affair. Cora was merely being polite to a man that she felt she shared a common interest with. She may have appreciated his admiration, but she primarily polite the entire time. The "love" was completely one sided in Simons favor. Had Lord Grantham not walked in, she would have refused his advances all the same.
Yeah, wouldn't exactly call this a love affair lol.
He simply misread her friendliness. It happens tot he best if us.
This storyline is a tribute to Withnail and I. Simon is being an Uncle Monty.
What's with the title? So not true!
So contrast when he's playing jack hock lol
I learn how to be a lady from Cora. The manner, speech pattern, modesty.
Cora gets way too much flack for making a friend and harmlessly flirting. Robert had an actual affair and he had the gall to treat her like dirt because she enjoyed someones company.
I'm sorry but all I can see is Percy Blakeney and Marguerite St. Just.
They seek me here, they seek me there, those Frenchies seek me everywhere!
@@exaudi33 : is he in heaven or is he in hell, that damned elusive Pimpernel.
Glad Cora survived her encounter with the Great Intelligence
Richard E Grant ❤
"I never talk about myself "
WTF! She's actually being neglected and when she wants to have a friend. He turns up his nose.
Lord and Lady Blakeney from The Scarlett Pimpernel.
Quiero verla completa y en español
esta completa en prime de Amazon, aun que antes estaba en netflix.
I wish he was gay and had confided in her
With Robert being jealous and Cora not being able to tell him
What episodes are these 😭😭😭
Season 5
@@paulagrooveparlortvharris8703 yes. but what episodes?
Click-bait title! They didn’t have an affair, though Simon clearly wanted to. Cora basked in his attention but put the brakes on once Simon got too frisky.
1920s- The opening of the Ritz Hotel London?
What lady wouldn't be seduced by Richard E. Grant?
What painting is that at 1.59?
@keify why, that's a painting by Peter Paul Rubens called "Minerva protects Pax (=Peace) from Mars (=War)" or also known as "Peace and War" (1629-30) which as gifted by the Duke of Sunderland back in 1828, and has been part of the main collection in 'The National Gallery' in London ✌🏻
Why would anyone put a Piero della Francesca in a room full of Rubenses?
Sir Percival Blakeney and Marguerite St. Just 😃
Richard E. Grant!!!
😳 💜
no affair!!
They did not hve a physical love affair.
What is the universal meaning of an affair? Did this editor know it?
What love affair? She rejected him!
This was such an improbable storyline.
Really, why? I can see a man being attracted to Cora and since Robert dismisses her opinions I can see her being quite flattered by a man who doesn't
@@believensee8621 Yes, that isn't the problem. What is improbable is that Mr. Bricker would sneak into Cora's bedroom, and that Robert would get violent. And this is the only time in all the series that anyone shows any interest in art, Cora included. One of the faults of the script-writing, which nurtures this improbability, is that not one character is shown to have any interests. At least Bridie, in Brideshead Revisited, collected matchboxes.
Karl Delavigne Cora always had an eye for art. Her study is also full of art that is different from all the other rooms in the Abbey. She also acts as hostess so she has to know these things. Art, gardening, embroidery and food. She has to be hospitable and interested and if she has a personal interest it makes it better. And her enthusiastic engagement of Bricker shows she does love art and it’s intercourse but it just so happens to correspond to Robert being complacent and jealous to show he has been neglecting his wife. He says himself he only asks her opinion ‘sometimes’
@@karldelavigne8134 now see I totally get Robert being jealous to the point of violence. Lets remember he does have a temper (recall when Bates quit and when Tom's unfortunate lady friend was rude and challenging at the dinner table). Men and jealousy can stir that kind of temper. Especially, a man who invites himself into your wife's bedroom, risking her reputation, while showing no respect for the host. That said, i agree on Cora and no knowledge of art. Remember when the house was open for a tour by the villagers and she knew nothing about the art in the house? Lol
Just came here for the comments...
And silly Robert didn't see how his wife's face genuinely lit up when she saw him? And he expected his wife to sit at home quietly until he decided to make an appearance? Oh, the small mindedness of provincial men.
He missed out on such a 'sweep her off her feet moment'.
Well, well, well...