Quinns and Tom Vasel Decide Who is More Wrong - AwSHUX Presents
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2020
- This was such an amazing hour, we just had to get it up online right away. It was really special for us, thank you so so much Tom, felt like a watershed moment for us in so many ways. Enjoy!
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Never thought I'd live to see the day. Hearing them together is almost surreal but its also so natural that it feels like I've heard it before. I hope they feature together more often.
Is this the first time they've ever done anything together? I can't believe it took until now
@@StellarJustinJelly They (Quinns and Paul) were interviewed by The Dice Tower on one of the latter's podcasts a good long time ago if I recall correctly but I think that's it.
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Holy crap. This video is the best. I love both Quiins and Tom. Their views and reasons for loving or hating each game is awesome. It's like watching two of the nicest people in the world argue.
We need Quinns on a Dice Tower Top 10 as soon as humanly possible.
For their Top 100 series too.
Or a few episodes of Corner to Corner.
absolutely!!! Come on, Tom! Make it happen!
We need Tom's dog on a Dice Tower Top 10 as soon as dogly possible.
It happened! In case you've missed it, Top 10 unique games
“I want them to come over, teach them the game, and then not talk”. Kinda like you just want them to... shut up and sit down?
Perfect!
The genius of this observation is woefully underrated.
More like he wants to be the one to do that.
*puts on sunglasses, building explodes*
Actually he wants to shut up and sit down, the others can talk amongst eachother
Tom came prepared with shots to fire and didn't expect how everything was gonna turn out. Everything feels more and more wholesome as you advance in the video. I loved the bit he shared about his wife saying "If your videos looked like that, I would watch them". Hilarous. I hope for more crossovers in the future!
39:10 for the quote
it was a bit uncomfortable to watch at the beginning due to how defensive was Tom. very different personalities
This was such a joy to watch. Great of them to lean into the “disagreement” while both being respectful of the other’s different opinions.
That's how it was when I was a kid and young adult. It was the golden age of no social media. It was glorious
That's definetely wasn't the standard Dice Tower roasting vibe! xD
A rare thing these days sadly.
Wow, this was probably the most interesting, entertaining and heartfelt video I've seen all year. Really impressive guys. My respect for the both of you has increased (and was VERY high already!)
When Tom and Quins debate about games, you know who wins? The viewers. This should happen more often.
The Dice Tower is practical, SUSD is artistic. They are both fantastic at their respective objectives. I love them both.
Agreed. I've always said; you watch The Dice Tower when you have a game you want to learn more about, you watch SUSD to find a game you want to learn more about.
Agree with you 100%, I was going to say Role-player vs Roll-player.
agreed. It is why I watch both (and others) to see a wide variety of opinions and hear different opinions on things.
Well said.
That's too oversimplified. They are both trying to be artistic and practical.
This was fantastic. It was a thoughtful, respectful, fun discussion of points of disagreement. I didn’t realize we were allowed to do that on the Internet.
This has to be one of my favourite videos that I’ve ever seen Quinn’s or Tom produce - I just adored their dialogue, the clear respect they have for each other whilst they subtly jibe each other - so many laugh out land moments!
This was such a great panel. Lighthearted but heartfelt.
woohoo! new top 10 time!!!
TOP 10 COUNTDOWN OF GAMES T & Q DISAGREE ON...
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10. Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective
9. Arcadia Quest
8. Ladies and Gentlemen
7. Flamme Rouge
6. Tigris & Euphrates
5. Clank!
4. Las Vegas
3. Ticket to Ride
2. Mysterium
1. Wingspan
Maybe you should get in on this, Rhado. You have many opinions and great analyses of games.
@@paulmccaffrey2985 Rahdo and Tom discuss their differences frequently on Corner to Corner. But I do agree, I'd like to see Quinns try to disagree with Rahdo.
Quinn’s, Tom and Rhado top ten... might break the internet.
The trio together video would definitely save 2020.
The comments speak volumes of this video! We need more heartfelt discussion like this in the future. Can’t wait to see more from these two channels.
Awesome! My two favorite board game youtubers together-these two are the ones that got me into board games last year and, even though I've cooled off of the board game scene, I still love to watch these two guys review and talk about board game designs.
This is the greatest crossover in boardgame review history of all time
Would love to see more of this. I enjoy how Tom and Quins have different tastes and can articulate them well
The Lords of the Two Towers speak through the Palantirs!!
I found this really entertaining. I like that there was some planning beforehand so it wasn't simply who could get the most digs in. You both sought to see the other's point of view. If dialogues could be more like this in the world, it would give me so much hope.
Nice crossover from two very warm and witty shows. Thanks to SU&SD and TDT for the hours of entertainment you've given me. I only buy one or two games a year, but watching you guys evokes the nostalgic pleasure of leisurely afternoons browsing the shelves of hobby shops; slipping out box after box to read the blurb through the cellophane and feel the exiting heft and rattle of the components housed within (I also have a fetish for stationery shops, but that's another story.)
I never saw Tom Vasel as an intimidating guy before but Quinns is dropping spaghetti everywhere.
He is tall
When Tom talked about how ruthless and fun it gets between him and his wife in Ticket To Ride, I had flashbacks to a GOT The Iron Throne game, where my wife completely gutted me in-front of 4 other players, where I was almost certain she had my back, and I was like "Yep I can relate". She ended up winning that game, but still today I have to agree it is one of my most enjoyable and memorable moments. Board games are fun but having strong/knowledgeable players makes even the basic of games even better.
This was absolutely incredible to watch. Two people with such great respect for each other talking about the things they love (and hate). Keep up the great work both of you.
I really like how nice and respectful everyone in the hobby is. It is not common for competitive channels in a certain community to get along and be so respectful.
Quinns can sell me rocks, I just love his reviews and I have bought so many great games thanks to shut up and sit down. Watching these two icons talk about their different points of view was a joy. I could watch another 3 hours of this.
This needs to be a regular thing. I've never enjoyed boardgame reviews as much as in this video where there were conflicting views on each game. It made for such an interesting conversation. Was very exciting to see these two together! What an extravaganza!! Loved it! Give me more!
I really REALLY enjoyed this. On-screen magic with a very "fireside chat" type feeling, showing calm disagreements and deep topics. I hope this becomes a regular thing between DT and SUSD.
This was so much better then the debates. I enjoyed watching this. I want this to be a thing. The board game channels going over their disagreements of a game.
So thoughtful and such a joy to watch and listen to two of the best . Please. More.
29:30 Where the Swedish and Italian border aren't that far away from Germany, Ukraine is 500 km away. Considering Britons regard themselves as being in the middle of the Atlantic between the EU and USA - whereas they are actually east of Spain - all adds up to a consistent picture.
God I love these two human beings.
It’s like watching Socrates and Plato.
This feels like what it would have felt to watch the discussion between Einstein and Piaget. Such an entertaining talk!
I think the most fitting metaphor is Einstein and Bohr, especially if you think Einstein once said to Bohr "God doesn't play dice", which fits perfectly with a boardgame discussion 😂😂😂
@@stefanopaolini6117 As a dice mechanic hater, I apreciate Einstein even more now!
Absolute pillars of the industry. Love both Quinns and Tom and the excellent work they and their respective teams do. Would love to see future collabs between the two!
What a lovely mellow discussion about board games👍🏼
No one was “wrong” really, it was a tour of differing perspectives. Super enjoyable guys. Love both shows😁
This was absolutely wonderful. Best thing I’ve watched this week.
This was exceptional! Enjoyable from start to finish. Thank you both.
"Chronicles of Crime does it better than Consulting Detective"? MY EARS NEARLY FELL OFF! What an outrage!
Forget that time Steve Urkel was on Full House. THIS is the crossover event I've been waiting for
The two of you helped me and a tons of my friends to get into boardgaming. Thank you so much for it!
Thanks, guys! That was really entertaining and strangely heartwarming. I hope to see more crossovers in the future.
Great show, wish I could have caught this live. Class acts on both sides, great discussions. Another example of my Dice Tower Con and SHUX are two of my must attend lists when my daughter is a bit older.
With Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective I think the issue is that it isn't a game, it's a shared literary activity. I don't actually try to solve the case as efficiently as possible, I just try to experience the story in the way I want. And giving everyone a turn means you end up working together to decide what is the most interesting lead to pursue. It's nice to be driven by interest in the story unfolding instead of points or a win condition. (Holmes is by design unbeatable, and if you only read the handful of leads he used to solve the case you threw your money away on the product).
Yes, excellent points! It's basically a mental puzzle, which still counts as a game to me.
This feels like the MCU of Boardgames is happening...great crossover!
Really great show. Joy to watch two such knowledgable guys who know their stuff and treat each other with respect. Hope to see you two more often together in the future.
this was really wonderful. both perspectives on each of the games was great, and i identified with having those "hangups" on certain games that otherwise i think i should like.
I bought the game after SUSD's heartfelt recommendation, played it on Halloween (!), with that atmospheric soundtrack in the background and it was a BLAST! Everyone loved it and we were 7 players. I really liked the fact that this game is for everyone. Thank you Quinns!
Amazing video. It really was the highlight of a weekend to see these class acts duke it out like this.
Thank you guys for such an amazing collaboration! Just to clarify: "Mysterium" was designed by two Ukrainians: Olexandr Nevskyi and Oleh Sydorenko. And it was originally published in Ukraine as "Містеріум" that basically reads as "Mysterium" in English. :)
And can I just add: Ukraine does not border Germany.
Any good Austrian board games?
I don't always click with dice tower content but this was awesome, well done guys! To echo what others have said just super wholesome content from 2 legends of the hobby
I just discovered thanks to Quinns why I was having such a hard time loving games like Clank and Wingspan myself. Your explanation just blew my mind, to be honest. It was really nice to see you two sharing a video and having such a great time. I loved every minute of it.
I thought Tom's stag party story was going to end with "When they brought me the pizza, it was toppingless"
Great to see these two together. The best reviewers out there getting in the mud and coming out unscathed and with elegance. You guys should do this once a year!
This was a fantastic show, fellas. Nice work. I hope to see more of you two working together.
Thanks, guys. Needed this tonight.
"We'r more alike than I would prefer" ...about the politest way of deeply insulting a person in most contexts, while also acknowledging your similarity to that person.
This is fantastic. I watch both and lean towards SU&SD's views usually, but I think here Tom made great/better points in general. It was very fun all around. Thank you for the crossover!
What a wonderful conversation; a treat! The differences really just comes down to personality and taste.
Thank you guys!
You should DEFINITELY do it more often and with another concepts..
Loved this. So fun to see these two together
Best thing to hit the internet this week!
I want to hear more about Quinn’s thoughts on the vital lacerda games.
I was curious about this too, so I googled it - Quinns has a review of Vinhos on their site that, while not exclusively positive, is really glowing. Basically there's a side of the game he wishes wasn't there, but overall, he really liked it and would happily play it again, and regards it as a hugely successful work of art and even "something I could hold up in both hands (this is a big box, after all) as everything that board games can strive to be." Look up the review, it's a great take on the game by someone it isn't necessarily perfect for but who can appreciate what a fantastic work of design it is.
This review was a while ago I think. Recently he's made a passing (negative) comment about Lacerda's games in an unrelated video (the Targi review). And now this... There is something with this designer's work that seems to be nagging him, and I too hope that he will address that at some point. It does not sound like Quinn to just go on throwing gratuitous disparaging comments about the entire work of someone like that. Especially when one of Lacerda's games (Vinhos Deluxe, as you pointed out) was actually in his collection not so long ago. That makes me extremely curious (note that I don't have any strong opinions on Lacerda's games one way or the other).
tl;dr: Why the recent Lacerda hate?
One of the best videos about board games there are. To see my two best reviewers together was amazing. Thank you Quinns!
Fantastic... pure delight to watch.
Great video. thank you both.
This is the best Friday to be a SUSD fan in...... well, actually, worm month was pretty sick
Heartwarming video, really hope for more
Really enjoy watching this. Thanks
This is what I needed in 2020
I have a friend who thought Dominion was the pinnacle of design. After a few weeks of playing, I got the sense it was a single player game with opponents for timers, and couldn't get over that. It was a real test of our friendship how we disagreed, but after a while we just found another niche to occupy together.
Does everybody else feels like watching a Marvel vs. DC movie crossover?
You guys are doing a top 10 list!!! :D Will be eagerly waiting for that one for sure!
Wingspan hits. Ever. Single. Note. It has things to touch, economies, play orders, mechanics that flow well around each other and, most importantly, everything fits right back in the box with out me needing to supply more baggies! But. I can definitely see how people might not like the game. It is one of those "I took an action that I would think would pay off early but never hit" or "I took an action that I thought would pay off and it hit, ever, single, time... and didn't matter" games.
Great to see you guys together. Glad that Quinns never took the job at The Dice Tower and started SUSD so we could have discussions like this a decade later.
When looking for reviews of a board game I often watch reviews each of SUSD, Dice Tower and 3 minute board game review. It was really interesting seeing them discuss the videos that they had differing opinions on.
I never realised how much I needed this panel until I saw it.
felt like history in the making - i love the interaction and juxtaposition of your styles and personalities - more more more
Super awesome vid. Thank you gentlemen.
Fun panel. Congrats to both of you for such an outstanding job. I totally agree with Tom on Wingspan, but also totally agree on Quinns on Flamme Rouge! When I start looking for a game, one of the first thing I do is look at your reviews, not always agree but sure give me interesting information to make my decision
two giants go head to head, what an interesting video. Thanks for your insights to these titles
This! This needs to be often!
This is simply gold.
Vasel is very clever in his choice of words and thoughts. Love it :)
Tom says that he does not factor-in the games' success, then later proceeds to list the external factors of wingspan. Hehehe
Thanks for an extremely fun and engaging discussion!
I like hearing that people disagree with me on games but sometimes I just don't understand why they like some games. I try to understand why they like games and just when I think I know what they like they surprise me.
Fantastic chat between you two. Loved it.
Gosh you guys are such personalities
Glad Tom and Quinns met for a very lovely chat. BGG and SUSD forums morphed these "who is wrong" posts into extremely serious channel comparison discussions and I don't believe that was Quinns' intention.
Yeah and the reddit thread was just so toxic.
You can pretty much say that about 90% of Reddit.
This collaboration was a lot of fun!
I enjoyed this so much and I had been waiting for this for a long time. My favourite reviewers together! I want more SUSD and Dice Tower crossovers! Matt and Zee! Quinns and Zee! Tom and Tom! All combinations!
Oof tom would skewer tom
Completely in the Quins camp on Flamme Rogue one of our favorite racing games every race seems to come down to the wire in our group
best SHUX video so far
I love this so much. Great to see my favorite boardgame reviewers collaborate. Would love to see more.
“Just look at Root there...” I’m surprised neither had Root on their lists.
Surprised to see all the Root hate to be honest, I've never played it, I take it that it's a sort of overhyped syndrome where people that love it really bang on about it when it's actually not as good as they make out. I mean it got its own tabletop RPG book and it looks kinda cute.
Exactly my thoughts, I was sure root was coming out
Actually if you do watch SUSD review more carefully you will catch things which for me solidified my opinion about root.. and I love this game!
Really enjoyed this crossover. Can't wait for round 2 with Matt vs Zee :P
Also, I have the same problem as Quinn with overthinking/calculating moves when it's most likely coming down to luck. Even if 90% of the game is determined by luck I'll spend a crazy amount of brain power trying to get the maximum win/loss ratio out of that 10% haha, even if it's mostly futile. I think that I agree, that often makes me dislike a game because I will feel tired at the end of the game.
Crossover of the century.
This was really great, hopefully they will do it again soon
Love both these guys
Would love to hear Tom's top race games!
Who said Endgame was the best crossover
Awesome to see them together