How can something that only has the properties of Rubber and Gum be so dangerous, answer: Hisoka has common sense. The way I see it Sorcerers in the MCU are somehow lacking in 'Fight IQ'. As someone mentioned before the Sling Ring alone would be an extremely dangerous weapon if wielded by someone with common sense, now imagine if it was wielded by a 'Fighting savant'.
>How can something that only has the properties of Rubber and Gum be so dangerous, answer: Hisoka has common sense. Luffy hasn't, but he's still extremly dangerous.
@@ЛунныйКролик-й9и Spoilers for luffy: He literally wields a Mythical God Zoan fruit. Lightning should be hot enough to burn rubber but it did not. 'Humans' and the Physics of the One Piece world are whack and sometimes inconsistent. Nonetheless Luffy's 'Fight IQ' is Leagues above MCU sorcerers.
5:55 "that wouldve been smart right? yes it wouldve been smart. but if the characters actually used their brains the movie would be over" all horror films ever
This is kinda the issue I’ve taken with this video so far, seems like all of this can be waved away with a “guess the character(s) didn’t think of that one rn”
I will admit, Wanda's power in the movie is almost hilarious when compared to the comic counterpart. Not trying to make excuses but Wanda has always been a very OP character.
Marvel has a plethora of OP characters, and a lot of these characters have been around for a while, it was just that the creators weren't really thinking about all the implications of what these characters could really do when they thought of giving a character some cool power.
As you said soft power systems aren’t inherently bad Jojo’s has one of the loosest Power systems I’ve seen. All of it’s set rules having a exception but it makes up for this by giving it’s characters only 1 or 2 abilities and getting creative from there. The problem Dr. Strange MoM faces is it keeps stacking ability on ability till it makes no sense that they can’t solve all the issues in their way. Anyway great vid👍.
No JoJo's have one of the more restricted power systems. One stand is given only one ability and because users use them in interesting way is what makes it good.
@@Histerdcap I disagree but I see where you're coming from I was more refering to the rules set in part 3 which there's always an exception for a rule. It has a loose power system but by not giving it's cast more then 1 or 2 abilities it keeps everything feeling concise and simple. It's loose it just works around the problems loose power systems have by only giving a few abilities.
@@Histerdcap I think it’s kinda both. It’s loose by breaking the stands rules often, and giving some stand users ridiculous as hell abilities. But it’s also restricted in that in only gives each stand like 1 or 2 abilities. There can be exceptions, such as Killer Queen having 3 or 4 by the end of its part, but it’s nothing too crazy. Imagine if Dio had the power of every stand across Part 3. Fire, emeralds, the sun, a sword that can shoot the blade off, another sword that can cut through solid objects, an elm street demon, etc. It would be insane. That’s what Dr. Strange’s MOM basically accomplished. But that’s not what Dio got. Stands limit themselves with their rules and few abilities, forcing Araki to get creative with the given abilities and how they’re used. Not too crazy, not too limited. One might say “Perfectly balanced as all things should be.”
It's not just the MCU that need to learn from anime. Anime employs superior storytelling techniques frequently -- especially when it comes to long form storytelling.
Ben 10 is western and slaps. At Least until ultimate alien. Show has its flaws Ben and the omnitrix are excellent writing material to look to from within the west.
@@kingmoneilius7777 in terms of powers, marvel is good but it just keeps getting ridiculous the more I see it, so much that it have more ridiculous power scaling than Dragonball. Like some parts I've seen where basically everyone is one shotting Galactus I mean MCU Thor can handle a dying dwarf star but not a fking tazer xD
I think another thing to add is that showing Strange still practicing and training his magic wouldve not only allowed for some good characterisation throughout the movie but it couldve also explained why he can do some of the things he can just randomly do in this movie
How the actual fuck would that have allowed for some good characterization throughout the movie? And it wouldn’t make sense, seeing as he’s been doing this for years now at this point. Also, there’s literally zero “things he can just randomly do in this movie”
It's not fair to say Marvel needs to learn from Anime when it comes to power systems when most manga and anime in general needs to learn from HxH power systems. HxH easily has one of the best power systems of any series.
not fair to a lot of other anime to straight up say that, especially when Hxh's power system took inspiration from yuu yuu hakisho, hxh is probably the most diverse but its not like no other power systems compare, jjk jojo, death note FMA, Pokemon. avatar(even hto not rlly an anime) and if you dont count the korra and energy bending stuff.
@@gelatogremlin Nigga you trolling right? HxH's creator is the same creator of Yuu Yuu Hakisho, and it was a power system he built upon from his original works. And there is other cool power systems, but no, HxH is the most well crafted and offers so much potential.
I was definitely confused by the title but after watching the video I agree. Hxh's power system is unique & amazing and can definitely be used as an inspiration. Yt recs is finally doing it's job so u have a new sub.
This is also why I love Spider-man. Simple powers of enhanced physical abilities and senses, wall crawling, and web slinging (depending on the nature if natural or cartridge-based). The only arbitrary element is probably his intellect in science, who knows what is the limit sometimes.
This was a beautiful explanation of why these works either fail or succeed at magic systems. Togashi did a fantastic job at applying limits to Nen while letting the audience know it can create any ability. I especially love that scenes with firearms or the Poor Man’s Rose demonstrate the physical and destructive limitations of Nen users. Have you read Mistborn? I just finished the first three books and highly recommend them. Its magic systems are fantastic.
@@pamelotms5867 The usefulness of firearms is dependent on one’s base physical strength. compatibility and proficiency with Enhancement. A master Enhancer like Uvogin can tank them easily with Ken, but someone like Kurapika can’t block certain bullets with Gyo.
@@stonefree7973 kurapika can doge them and block them with his chains most good fighters reguardless of nen type are fast enough to react to bulets in some compasity.
I think jojo's is one of the best examples of a soft magic system. Sure it sets up some pretty hard rules in the beginning, but those then later kinda become irrelevant due to loopholes, but the vagueness is used to help the series as characters are given unique powers with their own limitations, like josuke can heal anybody except himself and he can't revive people, the hand erase's literally anything with its hand but its slow and has a dumb user, killer queen can only turn 1 thing into a bomb at a time and sheer heart attack follows only heat, king crimson can't attack in erased time, and it cause's the show to have a bunch of unique powers and fights where the hero or villain has to work around their limitations to defeat the enemy, like josuke using his dried blood, which isn't technically apart of his body, and a glass heart as a tracking bullet via using his restoration powers to wound kira.
I think the MCU just tries too hard to make things look awesome, so they don't think about good plots. (not all the time. Infinity War was done very well.) Seeing Wanda go berserk was extremely fun to watch in theaters, but overall you accurately explained why Multiverse of Madness was a bad movie.
Thank you, I definitely agree! I think most people probably think Marvel movies are at least entertaining but that doesn’t automatically make a film good.
I always hate it when i don't know the limits of a character it makes fights boring even in jojo where honestly anything can happen the characters have limitations. It makes fights a bit more interesting
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@@thefictionaddiction Haha, I jest, of course. Just pulling your leg. I really am looking forward to your inevitable blow-up in popularity though! Can't wait to see what else you have in store. Your content is exactly what I look for on a regular basis, so it's real nice to have found something that fits my needs so well.
You can make a good story out of a power system that keeps stacking powers on top of each other. As long as it's a comedy. Let us once again turn to anime for an example: The disastrous life of Saiki K.
Part of the problem is that Wanda always had infinant power. Her only limitations quite literally are her imagination. If she can imagine it, she can do it. As long as her will is stronger than her target, she can overpower them.... RoosterTeeth's DeathBattle went over this. She is a very soft magic system existing in a world that has Hard Magic systems. .... Doesn't change the fact that it sucks. I'm just saying that it's an inherit problem with her very existence, not just the writers being dumb.
That’s not true her choas magic or hexes can and have been countered by just energy or force her powers have a limit also being her concentration so characters with mental powers like Emma frost and brother voodoo have beaten her too. People conflate her form in HOM as her base when she’s not that powerful all the time she got a boost by tapping in to the life force.
Wanda has almost zero stakes to limit her making her "defeat" lackluster. Also, while Harry Potter is using soft magic, they limited the range of spells usage by using school system. Students, compared to adults, has limited knowledge in spells and can only be creative in dealing with enemies, to which Hermione and her wit demonstrated a couple of times. This is why soft magic worked here. The world's system restricted the user, not the magic itself. As for Wanda, MCU forgot to put a limiter to justify her weakness. In short, Hard magic --> rules of magic define the limit Soft magic --> laws of nature define the limit
I hated that in harry potter, almost every bad wizard in the show can use Avada Kedavra to instantly kill someone. Honestly, if they made Voldemort the one person who can use Avada Kedavra, the franchise would be make a lot more sense to me. It'd explain why Voldemort is so feared in the wizarding world because he's the only evil wizard out there who can instantly kill anyone he wanted and it'd explain why Harry Potter is so talked about as the boy who survived the killing spell.
@@kaidestinyz that would work. Maybe have it so that theres a huge requirement to using it. Enlightenment, soul stuff, how evil one, how many people killed etc...
As others have pointed out it's less about the characters being OP, because they're pretty OP in the source material, it's more about the writers not being able to deliver a story featuring those op powers in a creative way that could give the story a satisfying ending, what do they want to do with Wanda's character? they think they can redeem her after being a genocidal maniac on this film? I can't even blame Raimi, he actually a good director but the scripts coming out lately are awful, they should either take their time correcting them or get better writers because this mediocre writing will only hurt the franchise, and if they want to keep milking this cow they better realize this sooner than later, the hype is not as it was before, they're taking the audience for granted.
In Hunter x Hunter you have a genocidal maniac that redeems himself. But it's done in a natural way - it's inexperienced young creature learning about itself and the world. The progression makes sense to a degree.
The real problem is that Manga is usually written by a single person, the MCU is written by whoever they hire, & they tell their own story so there’s no cohesive overall story, just a mishmash of different storylines
So far the MCU film that took inspiration from anime is Shang Chi, the director is known to love Dragon Ball and the action coordinator makes tons of live action animes on UA-cam.
Funnily enough, Chloe Zhao who directed the Eternals is a big Togashi fan, and Kingo's powers are based on Yusuke's spirit gun. She even said so in an interview.
My headcanon is that Thanos could've used space stones to force break portals that try to cut him and it kinda makes it better in my head. But that's a thing, it's a head canon. If they showed it even for one instance during any of their fights it would've been golden.
One great example of magic "rules" I have (also I really like Hunter x Hunter's magic system because of all the rules and you explained it quite well) is Brandon Sanderson's Laws of Magic. He is a fantasy author who constantly works with hard magic and most of his laws if followed would make the fantasy genre much richer.
The Dresden Files and the Fate series have some great interactions, too. Hard magic, with the weird side correlations giving some big payoff during the big moments. Two examples from the Dresden Files: The main character is going down in an elevator, and it suddenly starts falling. Whether someone is trying to assassinate him, or his innate magic field is just screwing with any complex technology that's nearby is a question to be asked after he survives this. He jumps and uses a shield spell on himself. Due to the particular way shield spells work with air pressure and momentum dampening properties, it breaks his fall and projects him just enough to let him walk away from the crash in the basement under his own power with only minor injuries. In another book, they establish that necromancy gets more powerful the larger the creature is, and the longer the bones have been dead for. The final fight happens in a natural history museum, and Mister Dresden walks by a Tyrannasaurus Rex exhibit and starts to have an idea... The Fate series has so many of them that it's hard for me to pick and choose. Read the core work in this, Fate Stay Night. READ. The visual novel. The anime is mediocre at best and cuts out / changes 95% of the story. The fact that you can choose what your main character does to get branching storylines lets you examine different kinds of magic rules and character personalities under various, similar situations. There are a bunch of casual nonsense "what if" stories that are a lot more fast and loose with the magic rules, and Fate happened to have a formula that translated perfectly to the Gatcha Game (rolling on a loot box for a randomized character reward) craze, so it got big in that space. I know little about Fate outside the original visual novel, so I'll only extend my "this has brilliant writing that focuses heavily on specific interactions in a hard magic system" to Fate Stay Night and Fate Zero, the prequel to FSN. As always, the original text version of the work is the absolute best experience once you finish reading it, but in Fate Zero's case, the anime is quite good with what it does, and I'm left with the impression that they only cut out so much content and cool stuff because the limitations of a 24-episode format forced them to. Two examples from Fate Zero: One is where a character uses a thermal scope on his sniper rifle to find the magic user in a crowd of people so he can snipe them in the stomach. The magic circuits that let mages use magic in this setting gives them higher body heat than the average person, especially when they're actively using magic. A second example is using time magic to slow the body's internal rate of time passage relative to the external world. This means that your heart beats much slower and your body generates much less heat per second when viewed from the outside. This is enough to allow a character to evade automated detection based on sensing for body heat and pulse rate.
This was a great quick lesson on magic systems. It would have been more satisfying to see battles that follows logically in MoM, though Wanda’s reflective arc could have worked, but the entire arc makes no sense. It would have been satisfying to see a story that follows logically in MoM.
when I watched the closer look(and his vid on doctor strange 2) and videos like that on power systems and good stories ,I always use think if marvel had fights on the level Netero vs Meureum and considering the amount of budget they have they should be able to do a hell of job.I would also considering how perfect of a power system nen is that it also indirectly shows character traits.
Undefined power and combat systems are commonplace in not just the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but mainstream western cape comics. I remember when I first got into reading superhero comicbooks after years of consuming anime and manga, I was constantly frustrated by the gross inconsinstency of the power systems. Characters would do the most random OP thing in one issue only to have their ass handed to them by a hencemen in the next issue lol However, I quickly realised that the power systems being played fast and loose in this medium in particular was a good thing. This allowed writers to tell the stories they wanted to without being restrained by rules setup by previous writers. Trying to maintain a consenstent power system in a fictional universe with hundreds of characters written by hundreds of writers over decades, that would just be pointless chaos.
not just Marvel, but DC too! DC also needs to learn of Power Scaling, and Magic System. often I see people asking Questions and people just dismisses it as something to be expected, despite nothing proving it to be expected is there. Example on Magic System: If someone asks "why does the Flash do this this or can't do this and this?" People will just respond with "because speed force" Example on Power Scaling: "Because he's Batman"... All I'm going to say, and it's something brought up as an Actual Reason for why he can survive a Nuke Explosion.
A lot of this problem comes from communal writing. When I first started reading the X-Men Storm could only affect localized weather patterns. She also would get physically exhausted over using her powers. Now she is a limitless elemental goddess. All because writers tweeted and broadened her powers over the years. Same with Superman.
I love HxH but to be fair Togashi has an endless amount of time to think about his magic system given how often he is on hiatus😅 - I know, health problems is rough, but still, it probably benefits his story telling. May he live long and healthy and finish HxH! Really liked your video btw!
At least he’s making for chapters right now but it’s not the hiatus that makes him have endless ideas because when he was not on hiatus he made these arcs
While not magic system the power system of worm from wildbow is very similar in its ironclad rules. I really loved how the MC have to think outside the box in order to defeat her opponents with her unconventional yet highly flexible power which is Bug control. I remember a scene where she fought an opponent that can't be damaged by conventional means, cause they're practically invulnerable, what does she do? Drown the fucker in bugs by having it enter all their holes till they suffocate to death.
The Dr Strange zombie was the lowest point for me. Like, it was so out of the blue and didn't match the world building at ALL. I agree on everything you said. My favorite character on HxH is Kurapika because he sets boundaries to his powers. Nobody in the MCU ever did that.
Movies forget about things they mentioned in the previous movies while animes(mangas) can remember small details they mentioned in episode one( or chapter 1) hundreds of episodes later
The MCU (and the DCEU) really needs to stick to the source material. I've read comics with gorgeous characterization/stories only for the same characters/movies to be butchered on the big screen because the screenwriters never picked up a comic book. The way anime fans feel about Ghost in the Shell (2017) is the same way I feel about a lot of modern Superhero movies.
The underlying problem with this premise is that it assumes Marvel movies and shonen anime are the same genre. Battle shonen is its own distinct genre which emphasises combat and utilises it as a prominent medium to tell the story hence why its power system being cohesive is of great importance. MCU films are more action adventure films with fights occupying a lower level of importance storytelling wise and mainly represents a means to an end. I'm reminded of Titanic when James Cameron, informed that Jack could have possibly fitted on the wooden bed piece, remarked that the story needed Jack to die. Hell, stalemates and inconclusive fight outcomes are very much welcomed in MCU films whereas such a thing is meant to be used sparingly in battle shonen anime otherwise it risks getting stale.
You make a good point but I think its still important to make it clear what is and isn't possible for the characters to avoid plot holes. It doesn't have to be as in depth as HxH; for example, you don't want to have a character shown to be durable enough to shrug off getting hit by a bus only to appear later struggling with a falling kitchen cabinet for dramatic effect (I'm exaggerating but you get the idea). This is still a problem in some anime (e.g., dragon ball) but the better you define your character's abilities, the easier it is to manage that risk.
But it's not just about fights. Doctor Strange should be able to solve basically any problem by now, but he almost never uses his powers when he should. It makes him seem like an idiot instead of making the story feel dramatic. They don't even hand-wave why he isn't TRYING.
I feel like most of the villains after endgame have all been dealt with in the same way as Wanda where they just have the villian in the final fight pull a fucking 540 and go "Omg I am the bad guy! My bad everyone I'm miraciously good now and am going to go and die to something that shouldn't even scratch me in comparison to the things I've survived through out the movie." It seems like they have gotten too lost in the idea of making every new world ending villian extremely OP to the point that the only solution for the good guys to win is a completely nonsensical turn in the villain's perspective and morals. Really disappointing after the absolutely fun and amazing 10 years of story telling that was everying thing pre endgame.
HxH is like textbook level of power systems and characters writing. The personalities of the characters reflecting their 念ability, and the ability is enhancing their personality as well. So the power of the character grow together with the character itself which is both not written well in Marvel projects these days.
You can't blame the marvel movies for this, unless you expected them to retroactively nerf the characters in comparison to their comic book counterparts(Which they already did, I.E. Hulk). Just like DC with Superman, the power-scaling in broken. A lot of characters are so OP, that the narrative of the conflicts they find themselves in don't really make too much sense. It's just poor plot device of American story telling. The whole playground, "Oh you got a super laser sword? Well I have an ultimate shield that blocks your super laser sword."
The creative freedom for superhero film adaptations is already vast enough as is, I don't think this is too much to ask. Prioritize making a cohesive clever and creative film, over accurate adaptations.
@@zwein1817 You say that now, but it's already been proven that, that's not what fans want either. I gave the example of The Hulk. He was nerfed to give them leeway to write a story & a lot of people hated that. We just have to except that the MCU & DCEU don't make any type of sense realistically. There's no reason Batman should be able to fight Darkseid on any level. He's literally as strong as Superman & has Zero reason to hold back anything. Same goes for Ironman vs Thanos. They're nothing more than rich playboys with fancy technology. A superpowered alien from an advance ancient civilization should snap them in half without much thought.
Using portals as a weapon like you describe is actually something that happens in The Wheel of Time but it is still limited by the rules of the magic in the series. They even figure out more creative ways to use portals towards the end of the series. It’s very overpowered but always kept in check by the rules of the world to keep from creating plot holes
Funnily enough, Chloe Zhao who directed the Eternals is a big Togashi fan, and Kingo's powers are based on Yusuke's spirit gun. She even said so in an interview. Btw, I personally think Eternals was a much better movie than MoM.
So what I'm getting out of this is marvel characters need to be more like Hisoka. A small number of abilities but given the opportunity to be infinitely creative within those boundaries. Hisoka is so impressive and frightening not because he inherently is overpowered, but because he constantly utilizes his simplistic abilities in increasingly more creative and surprising ways to always have the upper hand.
Well, practically the clearer way to describe this is Superheroes Comic Books need to learn from Battle Shounen. Even low tier trash Shounen clears the writing of Superheroes comic books these days, not to mention the movies.
@@dushaunlewis7574 i love old school comic books, i hate modern comic books and my hero academia. Seriously what the hell that shit has that comics can "learn" to be better? Ripping off naruto and spiderrman?
6:20 Wheel of Time magic system employs the use of similar portals They are utilised in combat to atrocious effects so much that side cast wonders about the ethics of it (it's a slaughter). One time it is even used to collapse lava into an opposing army, decimating it on the spot.
I just made a similar comment lol. I described how even though the portals can be over powered in the wheel of time, I like how they are limited in many ways by the rules of the world and how creative they got with them in the last book
@@Knullify1 Yep RJ had really a keen eye for politiking, the choice to keep Travel as secret for as many books as possibile was superb. What I like about RJ writing is the consistency, even if some character interactions are forced the logic behind major events is mostly sound (except a couple of instances where he bottled himself up)
Imagine littering the battlefield with microscopic portals over the course of a fight like open and cut shut landmines, that would be a fun way to take out an opponent.
I think rebooting the franchise and working out new characters that are more grounded would be the best course of action. For both marvel and DC. Hell, I think one of them should buy the rights to Ben 10 and give him a comic line as he's one of the best written modern hero characters in the west. (Excluding the reboot and omniverse.)Theres lots of material to work with and the omnitrix has rules in regards to its function. Characters like Ben are a fantastic starting point.
A system or "rules" to a power system is to much information for general audiences. In America when something fictional is taken too seriously or is too deep it's seen as nerdy.
Nen is really fun and well written but... aside from it, most anime magic system are either "you have an element" and / or "wanting/needing more power equals to getting more powerful". Tabletop RPGs are better at setting boundaries
Thank you! Dr Strange basically told Thanos you're about to catch these hands...and he had TWO INFINITY STONES...and now he can't beat Wanda who has essentially only the power of a book...bruh, that's tuff
Tbh they could have made both Wanda and strange smart and completely use all of their capabilities as they should be able to one shot each other even if Wanda is overall stronger. But a fight like that would require a High level of writing and effort that is beyond what any of the writers and actor were willing to do. Much harder than a single writer/mangaka making a story
I initially thought this vid was just going to be a video talking about how hard magic systems are better but I’m glad I had an open mind and stuck it out. I’m not gassing softer magic systems but one must show restraint with soft magic. Lord of the Rings in my opinion does this better than just about anyone. Ironically while I agree with you about Harry Potter that works uses magic so openly and is in fact soft magic yet there are rules out in place that clearly define how said magic can be performed. While it may be vague to some it still establishes rules, and every time a new spell or magic item is introduced we get some kind of exploration. What I’m saying is it’s not as soft a system as LOTR but I can’t be bc of how the magic is such a central part of the story and as such helps ground the story for the readers. Where LOTR has the “bc a wizard” feeing but bc it’s sooooo fleeting and rare what it succeeds in doing is conjuring our imagination bc we understand that magic must have a cost as it’s only used when necessary but what’s the extent? How wondrous is the power of Gandalf the grey? Tolkien’s masterful use of magic in the story really creates a sense of curiosity in the feather rather than discontent for the dues-ex-machina moment we get in a lot of films nowadays. George RR Martin also does this well in the ASOF series as most ppl in the world are unaware of magic even returning to the world and when used it is soooooo rare. I’ll never forget the magic door moment bran has and how excited I was to see a fear of such magic being revealed in the story. It was as captivating for me as I would imagine it was for Bran. A wonderful video my friend
Wanda's magic was the worst parts of hard and soft magic. Any ability we already she knew she had were well established and yet rarely used. She can fly but she limps along on injured feet instead, she's telekinetic and still runs after people instead of drawing them to her every single time. She can mind control at range and doesn't leverage that nearly enough. The audience understands these powers very well, she's been using them for several movies. But she just... doesn't. And the powers she suddenly develops have no defined limits, costs or restrictions besides vague moral corruption. The rapid pace she shows off new skills gives the impression she can do whatever she needs and she still runs at them instead of using one of her reality altering spells. This makes it so that there's no feeling of consistency whatsoever with her new powerset, while ignoring the powers the audience already knows and understands that she has
Yo, this video is amazing! I have been writing stories about my own fictional characters and this helps a lot. I definitely need to think about power scaling because I genuinely want some OP characters as antagonists. Thanks a lot!
glad that the algoritam recomended this to me, as for the topic itself, same can be said for captain marvel, she was made way to owerpowered even before wanda
The MCU needs bring in the effects of using magic that has been established in the comics, as in the comics Doctor Strange body has been mutated by the magical energy he use to cast spells to the point that he has to eat weird food like most media would showcase for aliens that gross out the human characters because it's the only food that his stomach well accept which can be used to explain why he only does overuse certain spells as the more powerful spells have a greater effect on his body.
Lord of the Rings has a soft power system and is considered one of the best fiction writings in history, it's more about how you setup the situations for the characters to use said power.
I think media in the culture where marvel is developed is afraid of explaining things clearly. It is like if they are afraid of explaining things to the audience. It might be because of the unrealist expectations of "show don't tell" or "if you can't let the audience know without you having to say it, you did it wrong" that makes their quality go down. If no description, explanation, or exposition was needed, then that would be a a silent movie or a toddler's show. Anime on the other side embraces explaning and improves it when they do even comedy in their exposition. It is just a how their cultures play for themselves and their fears restrict them.
Huge problem of Marvel/DC is that it has too many writers/authors. Anime only has one, like how HunterXHunter or Dragonball or even those that are not popular.
Even by anime standards, HxH combat system is way above most of them, with intricate strategies and technical analysis. In a different category, I think maybe Gunnm (Battle Angel Alita in US - manga version not anime or movie) is on the same level.
Another good soft power system is Mob Psycho 100, Mob is the only one who has infinite abilities except things like telepathy, but has shown he can learn things quick like echo location. Other espers or psychics have 1 or 2 abilities that they can take to the next level and a lot of the time even those abilities have limits. Like psychic powered super strength is not as strong as natural strength enhanced by psychic power
I think marvel also has to learn character motivations from anime. I can’t tell you what the motivations of the newer marvel leads are outside of we’re doing this because it’s the right thing. Wanda and maybe Spider-Man are the only ones with any real motivations. But in anime Naruto wants to become hokage, Luffy the pirate king, Asta the wizard king, Gon wants to find his Dad, Sasuke and Kurapika want revenge, Deku wants to be a pro hero, Melinda’s wants to save Elizabeth. Old Marvel wasn’t the greatest at motivations either, but they could come up with something to string you along. Tony Stark after seeing the destruction of the world wants to prevent it, Black Widow wants to atone for her past, Cap wants his dance with Peggy, Antman wants to be there for his daughter. But it’s always been more altruistic than personal gain in marvel.
I mean it was stated that Wanda could warp reality so these strange random abilities are somewhat justified as she could literally just give them to herself.
Honestly, this is the hardest thing to perfect in any sort of action movie or series with magic and supernatural abilities. TBF, I could point out to a bunch of inconsistencies in Infinity War/Endgame with the powers and fights, but those are largely well received. I think when the story/characters are well handled, its largely forgivable. MoM was a mess narratively and pacing wise. It also seemed to miss a few steps with Wanda’s arc even having seen Wandavision.
If only there's stamina (or should I say a limited amount of energy they can use to cast spells) Dr. Strange could've become logically limited which would make wanda have the upperhand. And if using the darkhold drains wanda's life away, when she gets to the climax of when she realized that she was the monster the darkhold will force her to disintegrate then that would've been a satisfying ending.
Literally the sling ring is all you would ever need it'd be one thing if that's all someone could do and use it for many things. But these sorcerers have hundreds of other spells
Thank you. I think it should be important to have a clearly defined magic system when you are creating an aspect of your universe that you are going to come back to and my people are going to use going forward for many characters and stories.
I think you touch on it a little. The biggest missing piece is cost. Other than the sling ring there doesn't seem to be limiting factors on their magic.
All the loose/soft power system does is make the characters appear pretty dumb in-universe. Like the portal example you gave, because we see Strange do a sweeping portal in Ragnarok it makes him never doing it against Thanos in Infinity War foolish. They can have a soft-system but, like, explain why things cannot be done so the characters don't look like idiots. It'd be like if Harry Potter never gave an explanation for why/how Harry survived the first killing curse when he was a baby, it'd make Voldemort some nasty dude who was so pathetic he couldn't kill an infant with a spell that solely kills things rather than a nasty dude whose dark magic was countered by the opposite of dark magic once we get the "love protects" explanation. "The sling portal couldn't be cast because the Space Stone prevents the usage of teleportation magic by manipulating the surrounding area/space of the wielder" not saying this really works but, like, I thought of at least something in 5mins and am not paid millions of dollars to do so 🤷♂️
Creating overpowered powers just to ditch them when writer feels like is a childish approach, and works well for child movies (a clear example is Doraemon). HxH is way more mature than most shonens, it's almost a seinen.
I just wish they explained the magic deeper, like why is some light blue, dark blue, purple, green (ok well that one is almost always time stone), orange??? Like what do they all mean???? When they first started introducing all of them I thought we’d get some dialogue but then we just never did and then they started introducing more and more and more and I just got more and more disappointed. Not saying that marvel should use hxh’s system but hxh just did a way better job at explaining their system then marvel did, because marvel dosnt really care because they know that most people watching probably won’t care.
I agree with this, mostly. The main idea of adding rules to powers can help a lot, but you can’t add too many because it will eventually lead to too many restrictions in what you want someone to be able to do, and that can lead to either a bad story or plot inconsistencies. HunterxHunter is great, but rules aren’t the end all be all. For instance, abilities in one piece aren’t too restricted, like Luffy’s, and yet it works, because that’s how Oda writes his stories. I agree that Dr Strange power systems needs work, but defining how they do things better while also allowing adding sone creative uses for those powers can fix it
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How can something that only has the properties of Rubber and Gum be so dangerous, answer: Hisoka has common sense. The way I see it Sorcerers in the MCU are somehow lacking in 'Fight IQ'.
As someone mentioned before the Sling Ring alone would be an extremely dangerous weapon if wielded by someone with common sense, now imagine if it was wielded by a 'Fighting savant'.
The properties of gum and rubber basically give Hisoka Spider Man's abilities and more.
@@nnnik3595 and the fact that it cant be seen without using the nen eyes makes it more op.
>How can something that only has the properties of Rubber and Gum be so dangerous, answer: Hisoka has common sense.
Luffy hasn't, but he's still extremly dangerous.
@@ЛунныйКролик-й9и Spoilers for luffy:
He literally wields a Mythical God Zoan fruit.
Lightning should be hot enough to burn rubber but it did not.
'Humans' and the Physics of the One Piece world are whack and sometimes inconsistent.
Nonetheless Luffy's 'Fight IQ' is Leagues above MCU sorcerers.
@@yomiel9191 tag your spoilers, please
5:55 "that wouldve been smart right? yes it wouldve been smart. but if the characters actually used their brains the movie would be over" all horror films ever
Haha true
Except 'Get Out' :)
The mc is actually smart for the most part
This is kinda the issue I’ve taken with this video so far, seems like all of this can be waved away with a “guess the character(s) didn’t think of that one rn”
And wait, this was supposed to be a 'horror movie' as well, so that's why.
No it will not end all horror movie it will end only lazy written horror movie which is a good thing
I will admit, Wanda's power in the movie is almost hilarious when compared to the comic counterpart. Not trying to make excuses but Wanda has always been a very OP character.
Doctor strange is more powerful than her in comics
@@thatomanaka323 Cap, he just had more magical knowledge, and at some point he even taught everything he knew, which made her more op😑
Marvel has a plethora of OP characters, and a lot of these characters have been around for a while, it was just that the creators weren't really thinking about all the implications of what these characters could really do when they thought of giving a character some cool power.
@DarkEditz you mean when she's not in her right sense, the only strange that's more powerful could be supreme strange
@DarkEditz 😮💨😮💨
As you said soft power systems aren’t inherently bad Jojo’s has one of the loosest Power systems I’ve seen. All of it’s set rules having a exception but it makes up for this by giving it’s characters only 1 or 2 abilities and getting creative from there. The problem Dr. Strange MoM faces is it keeps stacking ability on ability till it makes no sense that they can’t solve all the issues in their way. Anyway great vid👍.
I totally agree! and thank you!
No JoJo's have one of the more restricted power systems. One stand is given only one ability and because users use them in interesting way is what makes it good.
@@Histerdcap I disagree but I see where you're coming from I was more refering to the rules set in part 3 which there's always an exception for a rule. It has a loose power system but by not giving it's cast more then 1 or 2 abilities it keeps everything feeling concise and simple. It's loose it just works around the problems loose power systems have by only giving a few abilities.
@@Histerdcap I think it’s kinda both.
It’s loose by breaking the stands rules often, and giving some stand users ridiculous as hell abilities.
But it’s also restricted in that in only gives each stand like 1 or 2 abilities. There can be exceptions, such as Killer Queen having 3 or 4 by the end of its part, but it’s nothing too crazy.
Imagine if Dio had the power of every stand across Part 3. Fire, emeralds, the sun, a sword that can shoot the blade off, another sword that can cut through solid objects, an elm street demon, etc. It would be insane. That’s what Dr. Strange’s MOM basically accomplished. But that’s not what Dio got.
Stands limit themselves with their rules and few abilities, forcing Araki to get creative with the given abilities and how they’re used. Not too crazy, not too limited.
One might say “Perfectly balanced as all things should be.”
@@Histerdcap not always just one ability though
It's not just the MCU that need to learn from anime. Anime employs superior storytelling techniques frequently -- especially when it comes to long form storytelling.
Marvel comics > most anime tbh
@@kingmoneilius7777 Yes, but we're not talking about comics. We're talking MCU and how it's falling apart
@@kingmoneilius7777 but the anime that do it well are the best
Ben 10 is western and slaps. At Least until ultimate alien. Show has its flaws Ben and the omnitrix are excellent writing material to look to from within the west.
@@kingmoneilius7777 in terms of powers, marvel is good but it just keeps getting ridiculous the more I see it, so much that it have more ridiculous power scaling than Dragonball. Like some parts I've seen where basically everyone is one shotting Galactus
I mean MCU Thor can handle a dying dwarf star but not a fking tazer xD
The fact that he started off with hunter x hunter as an example convinced me that homeboy actually did his homework
I think another thing to add is that showing Strange still practicing and training his magic wouldve not only allowed for some good characterisation throughout the movie but it couldve also explained why he can do some of the things he can just randomly do in this movie
Yeah exactly, would’ve been much better
@@crinjal_mrp 'Practice'? What a weird way to spell 'Bargain'..
@@crinjal_mrp he did in the just was rewinding time over n over he wasn’t practicing magic
You mean like we know that he does…
How the actual fuck would that have allowed for some good characterization throughout the movie? And it wouldn’t make sense, seeing as he’s been doing this for years now at this point.
Also, there’s literally zero “things he can just randomly do in this movie”
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and the movies says that Dr. Strange has photographic memory. 🤡
Man literally forgot what he could do in a fight. 😔
A photographic memory honestly might make him less creative with what he could do and how he can use powers.
@@davidleung2158 you said it 'right'
It's not fair to say Marvel needs to learn from Anime when it comes to power systems when most manga and anime in general needs to learn from HxH power systems. HxH easily has one of the best power systems of any series.
HxH mere existence is a lesson for writers of different medium.
not fair to a lot of other anime to straight up say that, especially when Hxh's power system took inspiration from yuu yuu hakisho, hxh is probably the most diverse but its not like no other power systems compare, jjk jojo, death note FMA, Pokemon. avatar(even hto not rlly an anime) and if you dont count the korra and energy bending stuff.
@@gelatogremlin Nigga you trolling right? HxH's creator is the same creator of Yuu Yuu Hakisho, and it was a power system he built upon from his original works. And there is other cool power systems, but no, HxH is the most well crafted and offers so much potential.
@@louayker4249 A lesson on how not to write your shows
@@kyleward7417
Oh man you had a "not" slipped into your comment, must've been an error dawg, no problem.
I was definitely confused by the title but after watching the video I agree. Hxh's power system is unique & amazing and can definitely be used as an inspiration. Yt recs is finally doing it's job so u have a new sub.
Thank you!
This is also why I love Spider-man. Simple powers of enhanced physical abilities and senses, wall crawling, and web slinging (depending on the nature if natural or cartridge-based). The only arbitrary element is probably his intellect in science, who knows what is the limit sometimes.
This was a beautiful explanation of why these works either fail or succeed at magic systems. Togashi did a fantastic job at applying limits to Nen while letting the audience know it can create any ability. I especially love that scenes with firearms or the Poor Man’s Rose demonstrate the physical and destructive limitations of Nen users.
Have you read Mistborn? I just finished the first three books and highly recommend them. Its magic systems are fantastic.
I haven’t read mistborn but someone also recommended it to me in the comments, and thank you!
Poor mans rose yes, but fier arms are prety useless against any strong nen user.
@@pamelotms5867 The usefulness of firearms is dependent on one’s base physical strength. compatibility and proficiency with Enhancement. A master Enhancer like Uvogin can tank them easily with Ken, but someone like Kurapika can’t block certain bullets with Gyo.
@@stonefree7973 kurapika can doge them and block them with his chains most good fighters reguardless of nen type are fast enough to react to bulets in some compasity.
@@pamelotms5867 IMO that claim is missing context. Kurapika was blocking bullets from weak Nen dolls that weren’t as good as marksmen.
I think jojo's is one of the best examples of a soft magic system.
Sure it sets up some pretty hard rules in the beginning, but those then later kinda become irrelevant due to loopholes, but the vagueness is used to help the series as characters are given unique powers with their own limitations, like josuke can heal anybody except himself and he can't revive people, the hand erase's literally anything with its hand but its slow and has a dumb user, killer queen can only turn 1 thing into a bomb at a time and sheer heart attack follows only heat, king crimson can't attack in erased time, and it cause's the show to have a bunch of unique powers and fights where the hero or villain has to work around their limitations to defeat the enemy, like josuke using his dried blood, which isn't technically apart of his body, and a glass heart as a tracking bullet via using his restoration powers to wound kira.
I clicked this video because of Gon on the thumbnail. Was not disappointed. Great video, keep up the good work.
Thank you!
I think the MCU just tries too hard to make things look awesome, so they don't think about good plots. (not all the time. Infinity War was done very well.) Seeing Wanda go berserk was extremely fun to watch in theaters, but overall you accurately explained why Multiverse of Madness was a bad movie.
Thank you, I definitely agree! I think most people probably think Marvel movies are at least entertaining but that doesn’t automatically make a film good.
I always hate it when i don't know the limits of a character it makes fights boring even in jojo where honestly anything can happen the characters have limitations. It makes fights a bit more interesting
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Thank you, very wholesome
@@thefictionaddiction Haha, I jest, of course. Just pulling your leg. I really am looking forward to your inevitable blow-up in popularity though! Can't wait to see what else you have in store. Your content is exactly what I look for on a regular basis, so it's real nice to have found something that fits my needs so well.
You can make a good story out of a power system that keeps stacking powers on top of each other. As long as it's a comedy. Let us once again turn to anime for an example: The disastrous life of Saiki K.
Anyone who knows that HunterXHunter (2011) is the pinnacle of power systems in storytelling, has clearly done their research. Respect.
Part of the problem is that Wanda always had infinant power. Her only limitations quite literally are her imagination. If she can imagine it, she can do it. As long as her will is stronger than her target, she can overpower them.... RoosterTeeth's DeathBattle went over this. She is a very soft magic system existing in a world that has Hard Magic systems.
.... Doesn't change the fact that it sucks. I'm just saying that it's an inherit problem with her very existence, not just the writers being dumb.
That’s not true her choas magic or hexes can and have been countered by just energy or force her powers have a limit also being her concentration so characters with mental powers like Emma frost and brother voodoo have beaten her too. People conflate her form in HOM as her base when she’s not that powerful all the time she got a boost by tapping in to the life force.
Wanda has almost zero stakes to limit her making her "defeat" lackluster. Also, while Harry Potter is using soft magic, they limited the range of spells usage by using school system. Students, compared to adults, has limited knowledge in spells and can only be creative in dealing with enemies, to which Hermione and her wit demonstrated a couple of times. This is why soft magic worked here. The world's system restricted the user, not the magic itself. As for Wanda, MCU forgot to put a limiter to justify her weakness.
In short,
Hard magic --> rules of magic define the limit
Soft magic --> laws of nature define the limit
Great explanation!
I hated that in harry potter, almost every bad wizard in the show can use Avada Kedavra to instantly kill someone. Honestly, if they made Voldemort the one person who can use Avada Kedavra, the franchise would be make a lot more sense to me. It'd explain why Voldemort is so feared in the wizarding world because he's the only evil wizard out there who can instantly kill anyone he wanted and it'd explain why Harry Potter is so talked about as the boy who survived the killing spell.
@@kaidestinyz that would work. Maybe have it so that theres a huge requirement to using it. Enlightenment, soul stuff, how evil one, how many people killed etc...
As others have pointed out it's less about the characters being OP, because they're pretty OP in the source material, it's more about the writers not being able to deliver a story featuring those op powers in a creative way that could give the story a satisfying ending, what do they want to do with Wanda's character? they think they can redeem her after being a genocidal maniac on this film? I can't even blame Raimi, he actually a good director but the scripts coming out lately are awful, they should either take their time correcting them or get better writers because this mediocre writing will only hurt the franchise, and if they want to keep milking this cow they better realize this sooner than later, the hype is not as it was before, they're taking the audience for granted.
Thank you, that’s exactly what I was trying to say in the video
In Hunter x Hunter you have a genocidal maniac that redeems himself. But it's done in a natural way - it's inexperienced young creature learning about itself and the world. The progression makes sense to a degree.
precisely. I feel like most problems with appalling stuff mcu has been putting out could be solved with a solid script
Always down for Hunter x Hunter praise. Long live Togashi-san, I'm so excited for the return.
The real problem is that Manga is usually written by a single person, the MCU is written by whoever they hire, & they tell their own story so there’s no cohesive overall story, just a mishmash of different storylines
So far the MCU film that took inspiration from anime is Shang Chi, the director is known to love Dragon Ball and the action coordinator makes tons of live action animes on UA-cam.
Now that you say yea shang chi does feel a lot like Dragon ball (og) the comedy and fighting and villain and the fucking dragon
Funnily enough, Chloe Zhao who directed the Eternals is a big Togashi fan, and Kingo's powers are based on Yusuke's spirit gun. She even said so in an interview.
Dr Strange could’ve decapitated Thanos or taken off his gauntlet arm but chose not to in order to preserve the drama
My headcanon is that Thanos could've used space stones to force break portals that try to cut him and it kinda makes it better in my head.
But that's a thing, it's a head canon. If they showed it even for one instance during any of their fights it would've been golden.
@@benl.4577 No. It is too late for him to counter that. You are very dumb, super low IQ
Easy counter for the video: the ending scene where the ramifications of all the dark magic catch up to strange and he grew a third eye
One great example of magic "rules" I have (also I really like Hunter x Hunter's magic system because of all the rules and you explained it quite well) is Brandon Sanderson's Laws of Magic. He is a fantasy author who constantly works with hard magic and most of his laws if followed would make the fantasy genre much richer.
The Dresden Files and the Fate series have some great interactions, too. Hard magic, with the weird side correlations giving some big payoff during the big moments.
Two examples from the Dresden Files: The main character is going down in an elevator, and it suddenly starts falling. Whether someone is trying to assassinate him, or his innate magic field is just screwing with any complex technology that's nearby is a question to be asked after he survives this. He jumps and uses a shield spell on himself. Due to the particular way shield spells work with air pressure and momentum dampening properties, it breaks his fall and projects him just enough to let him walk away from the crash in the basement under his own power with only minor injuries. In another book, they establish that necromancy gets more powerful the larger the creature is, and the longer the bones have been dead for. The final fight happens in a natural history museum, and Mister Dresden walks by a Tyrannasaurus Rex exhibit and starts to have an idea...
The Fate series has so many of them that it's hard for me to pick and choose. Read the core work in this, Fate Stay Night. READ. The visual novel. The anime is mediocre at best and cuts out / changes 95% of the story. The fact that you can choose what your main character does to get branching storylines lets you examine different kinds of magic rules and character personalities under various, similar situations. There are a bunch of casual nonsense "what if" stories that are a lot more fast and loose with the magic rules, and Fate happened to have a formula that translated perfectly to the Gatcha Game (rolling on a loot box for a randomized character reward) craze, so it got big in that space. I know little about Fate outside the original visual novel, so I'll only extend my "this has brilliant writing that focuses heavily on specific interactions in a hard magic system" to Fate Stay Night and Fate Zero, the prequel to FSN. As always, the original text version of the work is the absolute best experience once you finish reading it, but in Fate Zero's case, the anime is quite good with what it does, and I'm left with the impression that they only cut out so much content and cool stuff because the limitations of a 24-episode format forced them to.
Two examples from Fate Zero: One is where a character uses a thermal scope on his sniper rifle to find the magic user in a crowd of people so he can snipe them in the stomach. The magic circuits that let mages use magic in this setting gives them higher body heat than the average person, especially when they're actively using magic. A second example is using time magic to slow the body's internal rate of time passage relative to the external world. This means that your heart beats much slower and your body generates much less heat per second when viewed from the outside. This is enough to allow a character to evade automated detection based on sensing for body heat and pulse rate.
This was a great quick lesson on magic systems. It would have been more satisfying to see battles that follows logically in MoM, though Wanda’s reflective arc could have worked, but the entire arc makes no sense. It would have been satisfying to see a story that follows logically in MoM.
Thank you!
when I watched the closer look(and his vid on doctor strange 2) and videos like that on power systems and good stories ,I always use think if marvel had fights on the level Netero vs Meureum and considering the amount of budget they have they should be able to do a hell of job.I would also considering how perfect of a power system nen is that it also indirectly shows character traits.
Undefined power and combat systems are commonplace in not just the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but mainstream western cape comics. I remember when I first got into reading superhero comicbooks after years of consuming anime and manga, I was constantly frustrated by the gross inconsinstency of the power systems. Characters would do the most random OP thing in one issue only to have their ass handed to them by a hencemen in the next issue lol
However, I quickly realised that the power systems being played fast and loose in this medium in particular was a good thing. This allowed writers to tell the stories they wanted to without being restrained by rules setup by previous writers. Trying to maintain a consenstent power system in a fictional universe with hundreds of characters written by hundreds of writers over decades, that would just be pointless chaos.
HxH has the best power system ever tho, it's just flawless
not just Marvel, but DC too! DC also needs to learn of Power Scaling, and Magic System. often I see people asking Questions and people just dismisses it as something to be expected, despite nothing proving it to be expected is there.
Example on Magic System: If someone asks "why does the Flash do this this or can't do this and this?" People will just respond with "because speed force"
Example on Power Scaling: "Because he's Batman"... All I'm going to say, and it's something brought up as an Actual Reason for why he can survive a Nuke Explosion.
A lot of this problem comes from communal writing. When I first started reading the X-Men Storm could only affect localized weather patterns. She also would get physically exhausted over using her powers. Now she is a limitless elemental goddess. All because writers tweeted and broadened her powers over the years. Same with Superman.
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I love HxH but to be fair Togashi has an endless amount of time to think about his magic system given how often he is on hiatus😅 - I know, health problems is rough, but still, it probably benefits his story telling.
May he live long and healthy and finish HxH!
Really liked your video btw!
At least he’s making for chapters right now but it’s not the hiatus that makes him have endless ideas because when he was not on hiatus he made these arcs
Imagine If Strange or Wanda's Ability works like cool down system like Video Game. That would've been cool way to Limit them.
While not magic system the power system of worm from wildbow is very similar in its ironclad rules. I really loved how the MC have to think outside the box in order to defeat her opponents with her unconventional yet highly flexible power which is Bug control.
I remember a scene where she fought an opponent that can't be damaged by conventional means, cause they're practically invulnerable, what does she do? Drown the fucker in bugs by having it enter all their holes till they suffocate to death.
Glad you chose HxH as an example instead of other shounen animes
The Dr Strange zombie was the lowest point for me. Like, it was so out of the blue and didn't match the world building at ALL.
I agree on everything you said. My favorite character on HxH is Kurapika because he sets boundaries to his powers. Nobody in the MCU ever did that.
Movies forget about things they mentioned in the previous movies while animes(mangas) can remember small details they mentioned in episode one( or chapter 1) hundreds of episodes later
The MCU (and the DCEU) really needs to stick to the source material. I've read comics with gorgeous characterization/stories only for the same characters/movies to be butchered on the big screen because the screenwriters never picked up a comic book.
The way anime fans feel about Ghost in the Shell (2017) is the same way I feel about a lot of modern Superhero movies.
The underlying problem with this premise is that it assumes Marvel movies and shonen anime are the same genre. Battle shonen is its own distinct genre which emphasises combat and utilises it as a prominent medium to tell the story hence why its power system being cohesive is of great importance. MCU films are more action adventure films with fights occupying a lower level of importance storytelling wise and mainly represents a means to an end. I'm reminded of Titanic when James Cameron, informed that Jack could have possibly fitted on the wooden bed piece, remarked that the story needed Jack to die. Hell, stalemates and inconclusive fight outcomes are very much welcomed in MCU films whereas such a thing is meant to be used sparingly in battle shonen anime otherwise it risks getting stale.
You make a good point but I think its still important to make it clear what is and isn't possible for the characters to avoid plot holes. It doesn't have to be as in depth as HxH; for example, you don't want to have a character shown to be durable enough to shrug off getting hit by a bus only to appear later struggling with a falling kitchen cabinet for dramatic effect (I'm exaggerating but you get the idea). This is still a problem in some anime (e.g., dragon ball) but the better you define your character's abilities, the easier it is to manage that risk.
Dude no, hxh doesn't prioritize combats over dialogues and adventure what are you talking about💀
@@matteostanzani375 Not what I said.
But it's not just about fights. Doctor Strange should be able to solve basically any problem by now, but he almost never uses his powers when he should. It makes him seem like an idiot instead of making the story feel dramatic. They don't even hand-wave why he isn't TRYING.
Good soft-magic systems still operate on consistent logic. For MCU magic, people forget applications of it all of the time.
I feel like most of the villains after endgame have all been dealt with in the same way as Wanda where they just have the villian in the final fight pull a fucking 540 and go "Omg I am the bad guy! My bad everyone I'm miraciously good now and am going to go and die to something that shouldn't even scratch me in comparison to the things I've survived through out the movie." It seems like they have gotten too lost in the idea of making every new world ending villian extremely OP to the point that the only solution for the good guys to win is a completely nonsensical turn in the villain's perspective and morals. Really disappointing after the absolutely fun and amazing 10 years of story telling that was everying thing pre endgame.
HxH is like textbook level of power systems and characters writing.
The personalities of the characters reflecting their 念ability, and the ability is enhancing their personality as well. So the power of the character grow together with the character itself which is both not written well in Marvel projects these days.
You can't blame the marvel movies for this, unless you expected them to retroactively nerf the characters in comparison to their comic book counterparts(Which they already did, I.E. Hulk). Just like DC with Superman, the power-scaling in broken. A lot of characters are so OP, that the narrative of the conflicts they find themselves in don't really make too much sense. It's just poor plot device of American story telling. The whole playground, "Oh you got a super laser sword? Well I have an ultimate shield that blocks your super laser sword."
The creative freedom for superhero film adaptations is already vast enough as is, I don't think this is too much to ask. Prioritize making a cohesive clever and creative film, over accurate adaptations.
@@zwein1817 You say that now, but it's already been proven that, that's not what fans want either. I gave the example of The Hulk. He was nerfed to give them leeway to write a story & a lot of people hated that.
We just have to except that the MCU & DCEU don't make any type of sense realistically. There's no reason Batman should be able to fight Darkseid on any level. He's literally as strong as Superman & has Zero reason to hold back anything.
Same goes for Ironman vs Thanos. They're nothing more than rich playboys with fancy technology. A superpowered alien from an advance ancient civilization should snap them in half without much thought.
Using portals as a weapon like you describe is actually something that happens in The Wheel of Time but it is still limited by the rules of the magic in the series. They even figure out more creative ways to use portals towards the end of the series. It’s very overpowered but always kept in check by the rules of the world to keep from creating plot holes
Funnily enough, Chloe Zhao who directed the Eternals is a big Togashi fan, and Kingo's powers are based on Yusuke's spirit gun. She even said so in an interview. Btw, I personally think Eternals was a much better movie than MoM.
this has got to be the funniest title thumbnail combo ive ever seen
So what I'm getting out of this is marvel characters need to be more like Hisoka. A small number of abilities but given the opportunity to be infinitely creative within those boundaries. Hisoka is so impressive and frightening not because he inherently is overpowered, but because he constantly utilizes his simplistic abilities in increasingly more creative and surprising ways to always have the upper hand.
Well, practically the clearer way to describe this is Superheroes Comic Books need to learn from Battle Shounen. Even low tier trash Shounen clears the writing of Superheroes comic books these days, not to mention the movies.
Agreed
i don't think a low tier trash shounen like my hero academia knows better than comic books, i think is doing the same shit as the comic books
Sounds like you've never read a decent comic book before, or even gave them the time of day
@@dushaunlewis7574 i love old school comic books, i hate modern comic books and my hero academia. Seriously what the hell that shit has that comics can "learn" to be better? Ripping off naruto and spiderrman?
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Wheel of Time magic system employs the use of similar portals
They are utilised in combat to atrocious effects so much that side cast wonders about the ethics of it (it's a slaughter).
One time it is even used to collapse lava into an opposing army, decimating it on the spot.
I just made a similar comment lol. I described how even though the portals can be over powered in the wheel of time, I like how they are limited in many ways by the rules of the world and how creative they got with them in the last book
@@Knullify1 Yep RJ had really a keen eye for politiking, the choice to keep Travel as secret for as many books as possibile was superb. What I like about RJ writing is the consistency, even if some character interactions are forced the logic behind major events is mostly sound (except a couple of instances where he bottled himself up)
I've been saying this for years doctor strange should've focused on magic instead of wanda
Imagine littering the battlefield with microscopic portals over the course of a fight like open and cut shut landmines, that would be a fun way to take out an opponent.
I think rebooting the franchise and working out new characters that are more grounded would be the best course of action. For both marvel and DC. Hell, I think one of them should buy the rights to Ben 10 and give him a comic line as he's one of the best written modern hero characters in the west. (Excluding the reboot and omniverse.)Theres lots of material to work with and the omnitrix has rules in regards to its function. Characters like Ben are a fantastic starting point.
omniverse is way better than uaf, and even then i wouldn't call the series that well written overall
As far as anime with interesting power systems, I like the creativity displayed in MHA and 7DS, as well as Jujustsu Kaisen and Black Clover.
A system or "rules" to a power system is to much information for general audiences. In America when something fictional is taken too seriously or is too deep it's seen as nerdy.
Nen is really fun and well written but... aside from it, most anime magic system are either "you have an element" and / or "wanting/needing more power equals to getting more powerful".
Tabletop RPGs are better at setting boundaries
whoa can we appreciate the smooth transition on 7:51 ??
Thank you! Dr Strange basically told Thanos you're about to catch these hands...and he had TWO INFINITY STONES...and now he can't beat Wanda who has essentially only the power of a book...bruh, that's tuff
“Black Bolt?!? Hah! Too bad you didn’t know I had the secret magic called “Black Bolt Mouth Cover!!”
Tbh they could have made both Wanda and strange smart and completely use all of their capabilities as they should be able to one shot each other even if Wanda is overall stronger. But a fight like that would require a High level of writing and effort that is beyond what any of the writers and actor were willing to do. Much harder than a single writer/mangaka making a story
Avengers endgame was really the 'endgame' of their career
The number of times I've used a wrench as a hammer..
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This do reminds me of many things from anime too
specially jojo...
*Looks at kakyoin*
*Looks at Jotaro*
*Looks at polanareff*
I initially thought this vid was just going to be a video talking about how hard magic systems are better but I’m glad I had an open mind and stuck it out. I’m not gassing softer magic systems but one must show restraint with soft magic. Lord of the Rings in my opinion does this better than just about anyone. Ironically while I agree with you about Harry Potter that works uses magic so openly and is in fact soft magic yet there are rules out in place that clearly define how said magic can be performed. While it may be vague to some it still establishes rules, and every time a new spell or magic item is introduced we get some kind of exploration. What I’m saying is it’s not as soft a system as LOTR but I can’t be bc of how the magic is such a central part of the story and as such helps ground the story for the readers. Where LOTR has the “bc a wizard” feeing but bc it’s sooooo fleeting and rare what it succeeds in doing is conjuring our imagination bc we understand that magic must have a cost as it’s only used when necessary but what’s the extent? How wondrous is the power of Gandalf the grey? Tolkien’s masterful use of magic in the story really creates a sense of curiosity in the feather rather than discontent for the dues-ex-machina moment we get in a lot of films nowadays. George RR Martin also does this well in the ASOF series as most ppl in the world are unaware of magic even returning to the world and when used it is soooooo rare. I’ll never forget the magic door moment bran has and how excited I was to see a fear of such magic being revealed in the story. It was as captivating for me as I would imagine it was for Bran.
A wonderful video my friend
Wanda's magic was the worst parts of hard and soft magic. Any ability we already she knew she had were well established and yet rarely used. She can fly but she limps along on injured feet instead, she's telekinetic and still runs after people instead of drawing them to her every single time. She can mind control at range and doesn't leverage that nearly enough. The audience understands these powers very well, she's been using them for several movies. But she just... doesn't. And the powers she suddenly develops have no defined limits, costs or restrictions besides vague moral corruption. The rapid pace she shows off new skills gives the impression she can do whatever she needs and she still runs at them instead of using one of her reality altering spells. This makes it so that there's no feeling of consistency whatsoever with her new powerset, while ignoring the powers the audience already knows and understands that she has
Great video and also a great example of a power system is jujutsu kaisen's cursed technique
When tf is UA-cam implimenting in screen mode
bro i'll be honest, when i read the title i physically recoiled from cringe, good video none the less
Yo, this video is amazing! I have been writing stories about my own fictional characters and this helps a lot. I definitely need to think about power scaling because I genuinely want some OP characters as antagonists.
Thanks a lot!
Thanks for the support, and I hope your story goes well!
You have a point; maybe I would bother watching Marvel movies if they included copious amounts of sexual harassment scenes.
glad that the algoritam recomended this to me, as for the topic itself, same can be said for captain marvel, she was made way to owerpowered even before wanda
The MCU needs bring in the effects of using magic that has been established in the comics, as in the comics Doctor Strange body has been mutated by the magical energy he use to cast spells to the point that he has to eat weird food like most media would showcase for aliens that gross out the human characters because it's the only food that his stomach well accept which can be used to explain why he only does overuse certain spells as the more powerful spells have a greater effect on his body.
Brandon Sanderson books specifically Mistborn, have one of the best magic systems I've seen outside of anime for sure :o
Lord of the Rings has a soft power system and is considered one of the best fiction writings in history, it's more about how you setup the situations for the characters to use said power.
I think media in the culture where marvel is developed is afraid of explaining things clearly. It is like if they are afraid of explaining things to the audience. It might be because of the unrealist expectations of "show don't tell" or "if you can't let the audience know without you having to say it, you did it wrong" that makes their quality go down. If no description, explanation, or exposition was needed, then that would be a a silent movie or a toddler's show. Anime on the other side embraces explaning and improves it when they do even comedy in their exposition.
It is just a how their cultures play for themselves and their fears restrict them.
Huge problem of Marvel/DC is that it has too many writers/authors. Anime only has one, like how HunterXHunter or Dragonball or even those that are not popular.
Yeah I agree, I think having multiple writers makes it hard to keep consistency in the scripts
Even by anime standards, HxH combat system is way above most of them, with intricate strategies and technical analysis. In a different category, I think maybe Gunnm (Battle Angel Alita in US - manga version not anime or movie) is on the same level.
Another good soft power system is Mob Psycho 100, Mob is the only one who has infinite abilities except things like telepathy, but has shown he can learn things quick like echo location. Other espers or psychics have 1 or 2 abilities that they can take to the next level and a lot of the time even those abilities have limits. Like psychic powered super strength is not as strong as natural strength enhanced by psychic power
I think marvel also has to learn character motivations from anime. I can’t tell you what the motivations of the newer marvel leads are outside of we’re doing this because it’s the right thing. Wanda and maybe Spider-Man are the only ones with any real motivations.
But in anime Naruto wants to become hokage, Luffy the pirate king, Asta the wizard king, Gon wants to find his Dad, Sasuke and Kurapika want revenge, Deku wants to be a pro hero, Melinda’s wants to save Elizabeth.
Old Marvel wasn’t the greatest at motivations either, but they could come up with something to string you along. Tony Stark after seeing the destruction of the world wants to prevent it, Black Widow wants to atone for her past, Cap wants his dance with Peggy, Antman wants to be there for his daughter. But it’s always been more altruistic than personal gain in marvel.
I don't actually remember reading a comic where she wasn't insanely OP. Most cases she beat herself cause her mind would break or something like that
I mean it was stated that Wanda could warp reality so these strange random abilities are somewhat justified as she could literally just give them to herself.
Honestly, this is the hardest thing to perfect in any sort of action movie or series with magic and supernatural abilities.
TBF, I could point out to a bunch of inconsistencies in Infinity War/Endgame with the powers and fights, but those are largely well received. I think when the story/characters are well handled, its largely forgivable. MoM was a mess narratively and pacing wise. It also seemed to miss a few steps with Wanda’s arc even having seen Wandavision.
1st doctor strange movie Wong said the sling rings can travel any where in the multiverse which is why prolly why it got ignored in the wanda movie
If only there's stamina (or should I say a limited amount of energy they can use to cast spells) Dr. Strange could've become logically limited which would make wanda have the upperhand. And if using the darkhold drains wanda's life away, when she gets to the climax of when she realized that she was the monster the darkhold will force her to disintegrate then that would've been a satisfying ending.
If you like power systems, you should try reading the Toaru series. They incorporate quantum physics with magic as a basis for their power system.
Is the anime good?
Literally the sling ring is all you would ever need it'd be one thing if that's all someone could do and use it for many things. But these sorcerers have hundreds of other spells
As someone who reads comics complexity isn't always a good thing *stares at Spiderman clones
Another example of a really good hard magic system in anime is Fullmetal Alchemist which will forever be in my top 5 anime of all time.
Thank you. I think it should be important to have a clearly defined magic system when you are creating an aspect of your universe that you are going to come back to and my people are going to use going forward for many characters and stories.
i blame disney. theyve ruined all beloved legacy IP.
Other great systems are Stands from Jojo’s, Devil Contracts from Chainsaw Man, and Alchemy from FMAB
I think you touch on it a little. The biggest missing piece is cost. Other than the sling ring there doesn't seem to be limiting factors on their magic.
All the loose/soft power system does is make the characters appear pretty dumb in-universe. Like the portal example you gave, because we see Strange do a sweeping portal in Ragnarok it makes him never doing it against Thanos in Infinity War foolish. They can have a soft-system but, like, explain why things cannot be done so the characters don't look like idiots.
It'd be like if Harry Potter never gave an explanation for why/how Harry survived the first killing curse when he was a baby, it'd make Voldemort some nasty dude who was so pathetic he couldn't kill an infant with a spell that solely kills things rather than a nasty dude whose dark magic was countered by the opposite of dark magic once we get the "love protects" explanation.
"The sling portal couldn't be cast because the Space Stone prevents the usage of teleportation magic by manipulating the surrounding area/space of the wielder" not saying this really works but, like, I thought of at least something in 5mins and am not paid millions of dollars to do so 🤷♂️
Creating overpowered powers just to ditch them when writer feels like is a childish approach, and works well for child movies (a clear example is Doraemon).
HxH is way more mature than most shonens, it's almost a seinen.
It is waking the thin line between shounen and seinen.
I just wish they explained the magic deeper, like why is some light blue, dark blue, purple, green (ok well that one is almost always time stone), orange??? Like what do they all mean???? When they first started introducing all of them I thought we’d get some dialogue but then we just never did and then they started introducing more and more and more and I just got more and more disappointed. Not saying that marvel should use hxh’s system but hxh just did a way better job at explaining their system then marvel did, because marvel dosnt really care because they know that most people watching probably won’t care.
This frustration is how marvel comics as a whole works
I agree with this, mostly. The main idea of adding rules to powers can help a lot, but you can’t add too many because it will eventually lead to too many restrictions in what you want someone to be able to do, and that can lead to either a bad story or plot inconsistencies. HunterxHunter is great, but rules aren’t the end all be all. For instance, abilities in one piece aren’t too restricted, like Luffy’s, and yet it works, because that’s how Oda writes his stories. I agree that Dr Strange power systems needs work, but defining how they do things better while also allowing adding sone creative uses for those powers can fix it