Mike Mentzer: "Less is More"
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I always go to failure and I lie to myself:
- Yeah, yeah, I could do more 2 or 3 reps.
Right!?! 😅
Same, even on squats, somehow haven't ended up getting injured doing that like all these videos of people dropping the bar on their back 😂
Glad I’m not the only one who’s mentally ill😂
Hahaha I can’t relate more dude
just fail! that's what safety bars are for. This post Monday, d.b. Presses, I just moved my head to the right in case my chest, arm fails & d.b. falls to floor. It'll b alright! 💪🦵
Most people don't ever train to failure but I honestly find it hard not to. It feels like I didnt do anything if I don't
Hell yes. If I aim for 10 reps and that 10th goes up pretty easy, I'll bust out a few more then add weight immediately. we both know what a good set feels like 😅
I feel ya. I hate the thought of stopping when i know i probably have 2 or 3 more reps in me. I prefer to just not grind out that rep where maintaining form is too difficult.
"If you stop now, you wasted your time."
What sport were you in as a child?
My set weights and reps are all over the place cus I ALWAYS go to failure lmao
Been working out for 40 years, I discovered Mike Mentzer just last year and my work outs are at another level, a lot less injury prone, and on top of that, I don’t need to waste my life away at the gym.
Thats awesome man happy for you
sounds like a program problem also going to failure is promoting more useless damage to your body so whatever bro. I enjoy doing 405 on leg day for reps, not just a glass cannon show off.
@@justincharlton1132 I mean going to failure isn't necessarily going to mess with your body. You just need to make sure you aren't actually losing form as you get close, since that has an injury risk. Especially if you aren't doing many sets a week, it shouldn't be that bad for wear and tear on the body.
Its just giving less gains, you'd be better off doing less.
@@justincharlton1132lol what?
Also 405 on what?
He’s the smartest fitness guy on UA-cam
@@freya218source?
@@freya218yes really
@@freya218this and youre other comment prove youre a dumbass
That Brad Schoenfeld dude is kinda smart too.
@@freya218 shut up troll
Mentzers way is perfect for nattys. In my teenage years I trained 5-6 days a week 1-3 hour sessions and got shredded. Only problem was for the next 10 years I stayed pretty much the same size even loosing gains and covered in injuries. Took about a year off (still sore) started again but soon found Menzter. Now I train 15-20 min a week incredibly intense to absolute failure one set per body part. Less pain, more strength and gained about 20lb of muscle in about 6 months so... somethings working.
If you don't eat you wont gain weight no matter what your frequency is so there's your answer. Clearly you started eating more. Mass doesn't just magically accumulate on your body. If you ate properly in your teens you would have had 10x the results you're getting now. 15 minutes a week? Thats actually pathetic
All these people out here saying “the HIT training doesn’t work any better than XYZ training program”. Mike israetel is one of them normally. But I’m over like “dude say what you want, but what about the people (like you apparently) who have tried EVERYTHING else and suddenly they find ‘work out less and rest more’ and suddenly they blow up?” Lol they wouldn’t keep doing it if it wasn’t working.
15-20min A WEEK and you gained muscle in 6 months ? Hmmm....
15-20min/week seems functional for slow gains. But I do 20-45 min/4-5x per week until failure with backend strength training (higher reps, lower weight) and I get about .75-1lb/week muscle growth. Eating enough was the hardest part especially after realizing I was in starvation mode for over 8 months (18-1900kcals/day in with a 3k-4k burn)my macro numbers forced me to triple my food intake,
@@cookingwithsceymoor thats awesome man congratz but 20-45min per day seems Ok as a short/intense training as you do it 4-5 times a week, but train only 1 time a week for 15-20min I mean you almost have only time to do warmup at this rate
Oh man, mentzer never advocated to do a dropset. Its just opposite, he always suggested to do a superset. He said "dropset just extending the set to get a muscle damage and dropping down a weight, which is going backwards."
Precisely. Drop sets are like doing low intensity cardio, where you obviously didn't reach failure.
@@jimaldo7715True. But i almost laughed when he said "if you want best overall muscle growth, you have to do 3-1 RIR (Reps In Reserve). He refuted mike mentzer's valid argument, then came up with an even more stupid argument by going for 3 sets of 3-1 RIR😂😂.
Its crazy how many people talk about mentzer and get shit wrong
You need to get your fkn ears check you bozo and stop glazing Mentzer. He didnt refute anything he said Mentzer got good results with what he did and suggested that overall something else might be better. Also why are you making shit up? He literally never said the sentence in the entire video mentioning "3 sets" You literally hallucinated that because of how much ur glazing Mentzer.
Secondly testing yourself to know your real RIR is a normal part of training. If you are literally doing any program you should periodically test yourself regardless.
Thirdly he didnt make anything up working out close to failure and using RIR is a well documented and studies aspect of hypertrophy training. What it allows you to do its achieve great results by going close to failure but not burning yourself out and including a little more volume here and there.
As much as you fkwits hate to admit it volume is important. Training like a HITard on side laterals, calves and a myriad of other exercises is stupid. Literally every high level athlete in any field incorporates high volume into their training. Only closet homosexuals fans on Mentzer think doing more than 3 sets per months is over training.
People also never talk about the fact that Menzter's system includes warm up sets on many exercises.
HIT style training works. My gains had basically ceased until i reduced my volume and frequency. Took an injury to realize that i shouldn't train so often and needed to decrease volume. Now i train every 3rd day and have been seeing more results than i did in almost a year of training.
Once the weight actually gets heavy, and you're not on the juice, you NEED more recovery time.
Recovery is important but not as much as you think it is. Every high level athlete it any field in the universe incorporates volume. For some reason the only people who dont are Mike Methhead fans with anonymous accounts on UA-cam videos who are 100% small.
@@maxpowers4436depends on what your goals are. Recovery for maxing out lifts can definitely take 2 days, maybe 3 if you overdid it which isn’t hard when you’re feeling out a new weight or rep range you like to do. I personally have goals to better my flexibility due to past sports injuries, so my training is going to be diverse and not focused as heavily on max/near max strength.
After stretching intensely and not overdoing it for just a week, I notice my legs and joints feel more like they did when I was younger. Just attempting a bridge requires a different type of strength, little tiny stabilizer muscles I could feel lighting up. Stretches are underrated for recovery and pre workout for sure. Look at any first baseman in the MLB, or just look at their pre game stretches. This is BASEBALL, a sport that gets a bad rap for having a few chubby guys who can slam home runs playing in its biggest league. And yet many players can do the splits casually.
so u train only 2 times in week, i smell cap
Nah it works for me after 27 years of training various methodologies. If you can train effectively it can be optimal. I posted 2 exercise focused videos on my channel. @@amarson2322
@@amarson2322 if you’re working hard labor in the daytime most days of the week, 2-3 is probably all you need for newbie gains. I overdid it, worked a lot of 12hr double shifts and would be asked last minute to cover. Also would go to lift for 2hrs after work until the late hours (usually from like 11:30PM-1:00AM or 2AM latest) then on the hardest days I’d go back for another double shift and sometimes even lift again after. I was consuming 500mg of caffeine (200 morning 300 evening/night) to keep it going 😂 eventually ran into shoulder problems and didn’t rest enough. Lifting a lot of awkward objects at work, shoveling, bending in weird ways all day in the hot sun. Barbacking and groundskeeping on the beach. I’d have to haul all the alcohol from the front of the place on a cart to the beach. Good leg day everyday lmao. I wish I only did 2-3 a week then but I was addicted to the pump lol. Sleep is essential I was undercutting that and other forms of rest like stretching SLOWLY and purposefully. This time I’m hype to do it right ;)
I have been working out for a few years and i started listening to Mike Mentzer this year. 1 full body workout every 3-4 days. 1 warmup set and 2 to complete failure. I have never gained so much muscle. Completely natty
can you tell us your program or workout plans bro? Ive been looking everywhere especially from mentzer himself
whats youre program routine? i am doing full body also so i would apreciate it
What’s your program?
Need that program bro lol
@@daarksideyt I mean DC is the kind of newest version of Mentzer training. Its more of a split, and very effective.
I just realised ive actually been training too hard for 3 years. no wonder I can only do 1 leg day a week...
I did the same, but only for like 6 months before I found this channel
yeah bro I was like that when I first started. I used to do squat 100kgx10x3, then leg press 16 plates for 15x3, then leg extension 140kgx10x3. I never understood how people did it twice a week because I always pushed to failure. wayyyyy tooo much volume lmfao. I was also in a weird position because for an untrained person I had pretty strongs legs so I didnt know wtf I was doing, but it worked and I pushed big numbers
Doubtful.
@@ub3rfr3nzy94 Wtf does 16 plates mean?:D I really hope you don't mean 16x 20kg/45lbs plates.
@@-AxisA- 16 plates on a leg press machine yeah. 8 per leg. I used to use one of those isometric hammer strength ones so I did one leg at a time, because coordinating both legs at the same time on that damn thing is impossible. I dont really leg press anymore because i want to work on my squat, which was lagging because my lower back isn't strong enough compared to my legs.
I just tried drop-sets for the first time. I liked it. Good pump. 💪😃
Love them. I’ve been training with two “warm up sets” and a set tot total failure with drop sets for each body part and I’m the results have been awesome. Workouts are less than an hour four days a week too.
Same
Great for lighter isolated movements but sbd or leg press drop sets to failure will ruin your training for a week
@@thehalfnam4331that depends on far too many other things, frequency, experience, volume, training specificity. If you’re doing a lot in a week, you’re right for sure, though.
@PositiveDailyImpact same been doing this while cutting super slowly and it was phenomenal for 8 months. But now I've plateaued so I'm gonna cut properly. Excited to see how it works on a bulk.
That’s why when I trained like mike, I rested 4 days between workouts. Only thing I would’ve changed is maybe do more for arms and shoulders.
McEnroe did what? 🤔
@@positivelynegative9149lmao, idk how auto correct got that
@-Jozef It do be like that sometimes. 😄
Yeah, I like to do lateral raises every day at the gym, and calf raises(Lee Haneys advice). If you follow mikes split legs, back and chest, shoulders and arms, you’ll hit your arms twice anyways.
post physique
I cant imagine not going to failure
Certainly wont be going anywhere close to success
Worked out all my life. Been watching some YT fitness videos for years.
This is the FIRST time that I am binge watching a YT fitness guy's content
Most of those dudes have some interesting info but it always annoy me how they talk or present stuff or maybe they just bore me or annoy me.
But I've been binging Mike's videos. He's like Jocko Willink of bodybuilding.
I’m glad you typed out exactly how I feel. Lol
@@gabriel1095 - Can't tell if you're mocking me or being awkwardly appreciative. Either way: Enjoy Dr.Mike's videos. Many gains to you and have a great day 👊
@@jeremiaha5167 no I’m really not mocking you bro 100% serious. I typically don’t binge watch videos from Content creators but I feel like this guy knows his shit. I’ve already tried, and implemented a few of his principles, and they work.
@@gabriel1095 - Shit. Misread your first comment. I thought you wrote "how you feel".... Yeah. He is very enjoyable. Straight to the point. No BS. Not trying to have some weird persona. A cool funny dude who knows his shit. I enjoy his uploads a lot
Cause he's bald, hes a big tough guy and he's chill
This is why it's a problem to tell people that going to failure is bad because most people's own sense of failure is nowhere near failure at all and they could do more.
Well said.
The problem with RP os thet 99% of people have no idea what failure is.
Im 240lbs, thats me in my picture.
When i see guys "Go to failure" then laughing and congratulating eachother after a set?
Failure, im literally throwing up in a garbage can while my legs are shaking and i csnt stand
This happened to me, I thought I was going to 2 reps away from failure for a month or so. I was doing 10 reps I thought 12 reps was failure. I tested my failure again and I got to 21 💀. I increased the weight and have best testing my failure every other week.
Are you new? 😂
Only happened to me on legs, wanted to increase the weight and still got the same amount of reps
Jesus you're going to the gym for the first time in your life?
@bi__tw1097
You've never been to the gym for the first time in your life? I've heard only few people do, the rest make fun of them on the internet
That's so stupid lol
Fucking love dr mike. Probably the best way to start and stay on a fitness journey. Man is funny as shit and puts the science into such dumbed down terms for us average folk and doesn't lose a shred of knowledge along the way; and if he did, he'd tell you. Great guy.
Imo RIR is such a difficult approach to have. You have so many thing to take into consideration and track
Rest time
TUT
Rep sequence
Workout sequence
RPE
Etc….
You can’t have any variation in your workouts because any deviation will impact your RIR. MM approach is straight forward and easier to track progressive overload (imo)
If someone can achieve 95% consistency of something that’s 85-90%as effective in half the time…imo that’s much better than 80% of something that’s “optimal” and takes 2-3x as much time
@Mantastic-ho3vm more subjective variables = more reliable? Seems like an odd take
If you have all the time in the world... So for people whose jobs are not bodybuilding we should follow Mike
Well there is a balance. Dr. Mike actually has a really good video on training techniques if you don't have a lot of time to train. The quick version is: favor exercises with less warmup needed, ones that don't need as much setup/teardown, favor compound movements (that target multiple muscles to about the same degree), go closer to failure, use antagonist or non-overlapping supersets whenever you can, use myoreps or drop sets when it makes sense.
I actually have enough time available to make that work out, but neither do I want and neither do I feel it's right to spend that much time in the gym. Quality still trumps quantity, I wanna make sure I did the job.
When I started 21 years ago I sometimes pretended someone was hanging from a cliff. And if I didn’t do an x amount of reps, they’d fall 😂😮 Anyone else do silly things like that?
you are not alone!
@@Jafmanz haha thanks! For five days I thought I was 🤪
"If you don't lift this you're gay" type shit
Usef to pretend all the pretty girls from my school were watching me 😂
I started Mentzer's HDT program in March. I had a hard time NOT going to the gym during the long recovery phase but the results have been fantastic! I was deconditioned after having a knee replacement. For the first HDT workout I did York machine squats and I reached failure lifting only the shoulder yoke and my bodyweight for 12 reps. Every workout since then my strength has increased dramatically. Yesterday I did 160 more pounds for 14 reps to failure! Previously I did 3 sets of 10 reps 3X per week for years without great results.
Doubtful. Selling the HIT kool aid again.
I go to failure everytime but just for 1 set. And if possible beyond failure doing 2 or 3 eccentric reps after that. It has worked for me so far
Time. Under. Tension. NUFF SAID! Form over Factor. Focus on the mind to muscle connection and strive for perfect form throughout the movement.
Intensity*
I did HIT in 86 and put on 35 lbs of muscle in one year. Im on it again, this time just once a week as i am now 55 and have a hernia to deal with. But it works like magic! One set to failure, one set per muscle group. Done in an hour!
I doubt it's 35 lbs of lean muscle in one year unless you injected steroids. 35 lbs in general? Sure.
@@ssjayy-xs5lh I didn't inject them,they were pills. We thought they were Analog steroids. Anabolic, analog, who knew? But yeah, 165 to 200 in less than a year. I then went on to do speed skating for decades until Lyme disease reared its head.
And I was 6' and still growing. 35 lbs goes a long way on my frame. I look pretty much the same whether I'm 180 or 220, which is my normal healthy range. Below 175 and I look skinny.
Let’s be real. We don’t have all the time in the world so Mike’s approach is great for 95% of people. I workout 15 minutes a day now with very low body fat and good muscle size. It’s great as a busy person.
Wtf are you getting done in 15 minutes.
@@ghost_trapz5932i do legs with 2 weeks rest and its just 10 minutes. İ had AMAZING results for my legs
if you’re talking about mentzer, then there isn’t a single realm of reality where you’d be able to do at least more than two sets in that amount of time lol
@Mantastic-ho3vm i hope you understand that i dont want to show my legs to anonymous person in internet. If you dont believe me i cant complain about it
@@ghost_trapz5932compound movements
Arthur jones and Mike Mentzer say that one of the conveniences of HIT and going to failure every workout it that you’re bot guessing; I did 9 reps this workout, 10 reps the next therefore I got stronger.
It’s pretty sweet not gonna lie.
Failure Every time and you don’t have to second guess is exactly it. No maybes.
Arthur Jones said that so he could sell his equipment its that simple and Mike got kickbacks out of it.
@@maxpowers4436what fitness expert doesn’t sell something? Never heard of one
I think the secret behind Mentzer intense training, is in the details, he would WARM UP for like 3 sets worth, that’s probably where he gained the most muscle lol, then he did one last balls out set, it was the whole package of that, that got him results
Multiple warm up sets allows someone the highest chance that your muscle is primed and in a position to perform at its potential during the high intensity sets.
If all anyone did was a bunch of warm up sets your physique years later would be virtually unchanged.
@@evanpaulsmithfalconfogolin6147 you’re assuming a lot behind the idea of warm up sets, these are Mentzer warm up sets, not yours
Menzter also didn't train that way when he was starting out. He built his physique the traditional way. He spent two decades doing the classic golden era style. After he stopped competing he was paid to promote that HIIT method that everyone knows him for. All he managed to do after that was maintain a body that he'd already built. He never competed again and never showed any improvement from the style he was being paid to sponsor.
@@Vincent_Beers true, maybe he needed to make that point, that the amount of sets needed to maintain is much less than build, either way most ppl today train more like Mentzer than they do Arnold
This is one of the dumbest comments I've ever read, Dr Mike, and Mentzer both said ALL the muscle stimulation causing hypertrophy was from the 1 working set. You don't understand how it works: If you do 4 sets and none of the first 3 are anywhere near failure, you won't gain muscle from those 3 sets...
Hey man former pro judo and wrestling guy over (won 1st place medals in japan and italy) and i just wanna say mike metzjer saved my life.
I got really skinny one time from being sick and lost 15 pounds and i struggled for 3 ish years to get it back and i couldnt understood why. I was use to the wrestling mentality of your just not working hard enough not knowing my approach was unintelligent.
I was eating and training REALLY intense (like arnold 4 sets for each exercise and 4 exercises 5 days a week) and i literally would miss days and beat myself up, but i didnt gain really any weight or strength for 3 years. Also all the intensity made it SOOO hard to eat and my sleep to as well (i was sleeping past my alarms and sleeping 9+ hours thinking im lazy not knowing my body just should not be doing this)
Then when i discovered mike, and started researching and training 4 days a week instead of 5 and added a mandatory active recovery day where i get to like 45min in the sauna once a week and i put on weight on ALL my lifts every month for 9 months straight. I went from a 225 deadlift to a 330 deadlift in like 8 months (when i took time off i actually came back stronger suprisingly)
And i not only gained weight but my body acclimated to this weight now to so even when i dont eat as mych it doesnt vaportate like it ise to it felt like, now, even when i dont eat enough i have so mych stored up now that i dont just drop right away. I went from 160 to 182 ish natural not really trying, eating naturally now and im still improving my lifts too.
“RIR🤓” 😂😂
I try to see my workout routine as finding my limit, testing my limit and pushing my limit.
I then feel out my recovery time and alter my routine to not 'push the limit' until I conciously decide to during my workout.
Every now and then I'll get lost in my workout and break my current limit. I then repeat this whole process all over again.
2 years and I went from a big-boned, fat 130kgs to a big-boned, muscular 85kgs.
NEVER compare yourself to others, others are meant for inspiration only. ALWAYS compare yourself to your last 3 workouts
& they on TONS Of GEAR
I bought Mikes book when I was 22. I’m 42 now and I thank his program for helping me out on size and keep the size and never losing my strength. I’ve been part of the 300lb club (bench, squat and D.L) club for 20 years.
HIT was the best thing I ever did. Went from about 7 hours training a week to about 2 hours at the absolute max and made more progress than I've made in ages.
I've been doing heavy duty training ( mike mentzer) program and I can tell you I've never felt stronger and more ripped then I am this past year or so. I'm literally only in the gym 3 days a week, and my bench, squat, deadlift has gone up tremendously in the past year Like never before. I used to go to the gym 5 times a week but only if I knew training less but to failure was the answer, I've would've did this throughout my 20's
Mentzer didn't advocate drop-sets. Dorian Yates did. Mentzer did advocate forced reps, isometric holds, and eccentric failure.
Truth. He also emphasized rest-pause and pre-exhaust
@@jimaldo7715I haven’t heard Mentzer speak about rest pause
@@vegaro214 OK. Presumably, there's still time. Keep listening
Dr. Mike, the best bodybuilding advice online. You are the best sir 🥇
Mentzer was genius at what he did for training and his HIt is by far the best there is for muscle growth and utilisation of your time in the gym. Excessive volume is a waste and was proven next to Hit training
It's hard to give advice to the open public, but what he is saying is good advice for guys who dont know what their doing or are lost at what they should be doing. I like the five by five program, and usually, at 80%, my fourth and fifth set ends with a failed rep or two.
Myeah. I do a.
Push pull leg split. I artieste end my laat at to failure and I do 3 excersizes the first half of the week and 3 excersizes the last half of the week where I do drop sets. And I do the Dropsets for the have muscles in the 2md part of the week, so they have an extra rest day on Sunday (the only day I do cardio longer than 8 minutes and I also do yoga/stretching for an hour)
Thank you dr.Mike for yet again blessing us with wisdom
I'm a fan of Super High Intensity Training at least once a day.
In practice Mentzer is giving good advice because most gym goers don’t understand true failure. In theory he could be wrong but that’s why his advice rings true for so many. Failure means 3 RIR to most people
Most gym goers shouldnt be trianing to failure because that takes time to understand and learn.
Well just like running...i run easy most oft he time but do a hard workout dya or 2 a week when my body frels extra good...keep some resverve but test yourself now and again is a great idea
Very good points. Have to test your understanding often.
Goggins left the chat
keep in mind david stretches for apparently 2 hours a night😂 that would help his recovery a lot
Goggins is riddled with injuries, so he definitely left the chat
I was following a mike mentzer program. Got me some good results, but I had to keep taking breaks from it, I wasn't recovering between workouts, was tired all the time, hungry all the time. I slowed down now. Need something less intense, was beginning to have pain when I didn't before.
Mike, I took your guidance coaching and implemented 2-3 reps beyond the burn. Man…it’s changed my training completely. Because of it, both my strength and physique have improved. I actually feel like a chump when I finish a set simply because I hit a rep number. I can hear you in my mind calling me a Puss.😂😂😂 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
I feel like its a mental thing too and it makes the gym feel way better when you push past yourself
If you want good results, youve got to be honest with yourself and go to true failure. having a good workout partner that will push you is awesome. They are removed from the situation a bit and can see the speed of that rep and demand more when youre ready to give up. and if you cant get that last one, they can give you just enough help so that you can complete the last rep and you truly know that was your all. Ive never consistently had a partner for a long time and im seeing alot of results by doing that.
Smartest and more importantly most likeable guy in fitness on UA-cam
I go to the gym 6 times a day, and train to failure my last 2 sets. A lost of the times with a drop set. Feels really good for me and is easy to do instead of trying to wonder how many reps I have. A lot more fun for me as well.
Mike Mentzer keeping you big as hell
Yeah bro🗿
Well yes
Nah, he's just tiring you out and keeping you out of the gym.
Bruh yall are way too fanatic about Mentzer for how little people actually train the way he says
Not with drop sets. Mentzer would've smacked Israetel.
In 16 minutes i got a client who cant do 10 push ups to do 50 in total
I almost always at least do 1 set to failure on each exercise … typically 3-4 exercises per muscle
Ive always done the Mike Mentzer workout! You actually dont burn out or kill yourself this way! I only train each body part twice a week with no more than 3 sets per muscle gruop! You work hard but dont burn yourself out!
I absolutely love how he explains all the reasoning behind his statements
I train for arm wrestling and Wednesdays is my dedicated Bicep day, I literally murder my biceps to the point where I cant train them until next Wednesday lol
I like Mike's method because I don't have a lot of time to work out
High Volume with better form got me better results and is safer
I take advice from Both Mikes lol, lots to learn from these guys!!!!
I worked for a company called Keiser Training and this is the exact training method they use, at first i was very sceptical having trained the "traditional" 3 sets 10 reps way all my life but this is the only way i train now, one set to failure, 4 seconds up 2 second hold 4 seconds down, 60-90 seconds work under load. It works for me I don't get injured, my work out takes about 20 minute and being an old geezer there's less wear and tear on my joints. It's not for everyone but train the way you want, in most cases something is better than nothing and clearly from reading the comments everyone is an expert with their own special secret knowledge, including me.
“You also wanna test your shit every now and then” - this is facts. I thought I was doing 1RIR on bench today, last set I went to failure and realised I was like 4 RIR 😮 I’ve been missing gains again
hes right im the biggest advocate for high intensity training but doing higher volume would be safer and easier to perfect
it’s helped me so much with building muscle! do 2 muscle groups one day then rest for 2-3 days or more and keep repeating! helps me address and manage my soreness and discomfort given my job of standing all day. get bigger by the day 😋
i don’t do drop sets tho. i can’t handle much fatigue beyond a really thorough warmup and 2 sets for each muscle group i’m trying to hit that day
Mentzer never advocated dropsets. He was for supersets not for dropsets.
This
He advocated for dropping the soap 100%
@@maxpowers4436 your mama advocates for dropping the soap
Damn he sounds exactly like Phil Heath
Using a training block structure like functional/crossfit or olympic weightlifting even in bodybuilding from times to times there's a block with low reps and on this block can be a PR week. Instead of bigger weights you can test reps. Is not a rule, but i trained in my box with this structure and worked really well
Less is more for overall progression overtime. But peds and caloric intake have a lot to dictate training past or two failure. When I say failure, I mean, you can’t do another full rep then you begin to do partials. It works
Cool story bro but I I refuse to fail
I’m going with Mike, who didn’t have a deformed head from anabolic use. Thanks Mike
Need a Lamby workout session with RP ASAP!
We found using strip down sets once a month with 3 days rest then start back at usual routine works best ..you can't recover otherwise so hes right ...its finding the right time frame to put the strip sets to absolute failure into your programe ..recovery is king .
Most people severely underestimate their “to failure” range. It’s easier for some muscles than others. My quads didn’t get thick until I was doing pause rest sets on leg extensions before squats, mediated by massive lactic acid build up.
I've been training this way for 20 years. Failure every once in a while. I'm 41 and look better than 80% of guys 20 years younger.
Because you've been lifting weights for 20 years and you're comparing yourself to kids who've maybe got 2-3 years training at most under their belt LOL
Tested some rep maxes this past week with particularly higher weights than normal. Found I was averaging 15-35 lbs a lift that I was missing out on gains. Now training heavier but still 8-12 rep range.
Best to just play it safe and go to failure
Absolutely 💯 failure means you cannot move the bar no matter how hard u try
,try getting a spotter to help with the last 3 reps so you are doing a forced rep so to speak .then rest at home and growth WILL happen 👍
Love Mike ❤
STEPS>>
4-6 weeks progressive overload
1-2 weeks d-load program
1 week off... OFF
1 week maintenance.
1 week to max out all exercises done during your progressive overload last month.
NEW START - Swap out 2 exercises per muscle group and start from the top again.
Thoughts?
or might as well just make your program better to lessen the need for dedicated deload weeks since that's simply because of fatigue accumulation overtime which is from not being able to recover sufficiently each session.
i'm nowhere near an expert myself, but i see no sense in doing this. insights would be most welcome!
but anw, yeah. that's similar to strength focused programs, which is not that necessary in hypertrophy focused training.
in terms of the latter, all you have to do is do progressive overload on an exercise targetting a certain muscle group for a long long long period of time. that rotation is not mandatory to do at a given time. it's simply a change in prioritization so that depends solely on you, but since it's generally better to spend more time in a certain goal and not change things up that often for common reason like spending time on neurological adaptation stuff, it's good to do that after prolly about 6 weeks minimum with the longer duration being better.
TLDR: too much time is wasted on taking a break, maintenance, and even the maxing period. so might as well do it simpler and not make things complicated like that, and just focus on progressive overloading a certain muscle group and get sufficient time for your muscles to recover and let the adaptations to take place. that is if your goal is building muscle anw.
Imo RIR makes progressive overload much more complicated. How do i know i got stronger from the last workout when the RIR factors in? Every set to failure makes progressive overload fool proof.
@Mantastic-ho3vm Lmao. I do train and these are just my thoughts. How do i know for a fact that i got stronger instead of going from 3 to 2 RIR?
@Mantastic-ho3vm But sometimes the weight feels harder but i still get more reps than last time. Many factors to how the weight feels.
I test myself on this by hitting 3 sets of 8-12 reps with what I think is the most weight I could do those reps with, then I'll do a 4th set with it until failure, and if I can get past 12 reps on that last set, then that tells me I need to increase the weight a little bit.
I just got a Mike mentzer training video on top of this one 😂
It is a good idea for a program to have either sets to failure or new personal records with some frequency.
One to three reps in reserves refers to absolute failure. The kind off failure where you put everything you have into the rep, both physically and psychologically, and you can't possibly do one more. For most people, what they consider to be failure is actually one to three reps in reserve.
Why do I agree with him so much.
Just make sure you listen to what he says, muscles growth , that is specifically size , that is not density, or strength or endurance, make sure you know what your goals are and train appropriately
Aaand that’s exactly my problem - I found it hard to push myself in a way to have a 2-3 reps in reserve. Unless I’m pushing it super hard, I’m quitting 7 reps to early
Anyone else stay 3 reps from failure in calisthenics but go to failure everytime with weights?
I train to failure because I can't count
Longevity is key
There's literally no reason to leave a rep in reserve. The whole point is a send a signal to your muscles that they absolutely must get bigger and stronger to handle the demand. When you hold reps and reserve you're simply allowing your muscles to do something they're already capable of doing. The last rep where you giving everything you got is the one that makes the difference. And based on this advice the one you wouldn't do. And recovery from it is a non-issue if you understand You don't need to be in the gym 6 days a week.
Ppl either use too much weight and fail too early or they think they're just shy of failure and in reality they have 3,4,5 reps left
This is why I personally like total rep goals. Example:
Incline bench
Instead of doing a top set of like 10 reps and a backoff do the top set but set a rep goal of 20. Then repeat that weight till you get 20 total reps. Each week you'll hit 20 earlier and earlier. Somewhere between when you hit 15 and 20 reps on the first set you up the weight.
There’s more to it. Mike Menser took the work of Arthur Jones, Jones developed HIT, he developed nautilus and Med Ex
And it still doesn't work.
You go to failure for optimal growth, i go to failure because i cant count. We are not the same
That's why going to failure realistically, not theoretically, gives better results. It's just too easy to 'lie' to yourself about RIR. with failure, it's impossible to lie to yourself.
Wrong.
Mike Mentzer wasnt a free man, he was in Pre Med. When youre busy with
studying and other trades and relationships u barely have time to squeeze in things. So Mikes methods have worked perfrctly for me, high intensity + bodyweight exercise is the way to go. I cant afford to go to the gym Mon Tue Wed😂
YEP MENTZER said you CAN have a life outside Gym
Another coper trying to rationalize doing basically nothing to get results. You cant afford to go to the gym 3 times a week for a few hours total? Poor time management on your part.
My boss has 3 kids starts work at 6:45am and goes to the gym more than you.
2-3 sets per exercise to failure every time. 2 minutes rest between sets. Works for me
If I can't press the dumbbel anymore, than hold it as long as possible, after that one superset to failure.
So failure is if can't do a rep and can't hold it static
You can recover from going to failure you just have to give yourself more time to recover.
He has that mature super hero headshape. Lol
I used to do HIT training many moons ago and I really enjoyed it. Was so much fun. But I wasn't a bodybuilder or competitor or anything, just did it to try it out. And I got I be honest, it worked really well for me. However it plateaus pretty hard. I seitched things up after a while and fell into full body compound which is perfect for me.
But I don't know shit, just that I enjoyed it for what it was. 🤷🏽♂️
Conclusion : Mentzer bad for fitness business - good for anything else 😂