@@jmentone modern top fox is probably an insurmountable hurdle for falcon but it's also that for yoshi so provided Cody/moky/mango lose to someone else it's doable
"All of this characters aerials have the same landing lag, both l-cancelled and not." Might have made the question more clear. It was a little confusing. Made it sound like l-cancelling would do nothing (maybe thats why the GNW guess). Cool video!
Yeah I play Samus and knew this but didn't get it because I didn't get the question lol. Great question, just poorly worded! It's 15 frames without L-cancel, 7 frames with, for the record 🤓
@@FrogFromNSThe "both l-cancelled and not" part isnt needed. All L-cancelling does is make the animation play faster, so any moves that have matching landing lag will by extension have matching l-cancelled landing lag. But maybe thats just another piece of melee trivia lol
18:38 Ganon's is a meteor. Edit: 18:58 That's not what a Sakurai angle is. It's a 0 degree angle at low knockback, scaling toward 45 degrees as knockback increases, unless the opponent is airborne in which case it launches straight up. The name comes from the low percent behavior of leaving the opponent on the ground, which in brawl any hit that leaves the opponent grounded gains bonus trip chance.
Hey, just an idea: For people like me that don't know the contestants and can't follow the voices, it would help showing something like speech bubbles so I'd be able to associate who is talking with their game progress
@@ultlifeform In all non-japanese media before gen 5, there was no distinction - all of the mythicals were called legendaries. So in a sense, you could choose to see mythicals as a subset of legendaries. The official info is a bit vague.
@@SirPage13 That's fair. But if we're counting Jigglypuff as a Fairy type (gen 6+), then it fits to also count them as mythical. It's more debatable though, less of an objective error than the 130 Thunder.
This channel is gonna blow up, at least I hope so. I love jeopardy youtube videos, and you got some solid music choices! Hope to see you make more of these!
Daily doubles have appeared on every slot previously on jeopardy, and the answering as a question this is just kinda much for guests I'd feel like a dick being like "no points for not answering as question"
To be fair, it is completely possible that Flat Zone itself has the open door texture reachable within the stage file, and it only doesn't contain the code that cycles between them. I do not know whether or not this is the reality, but I'm sure someone here outta know how to figure out
@snared_ yes, but if they didn't remove it from the file, only making it inaccessible, it's still TECHNICALLY part of the stage. As I said though, I don't even know if that part is true so 🤷♂️
@@obviouslyanonymous Since one is simply a texture and the other is an animated object that hides a specific target, I would imagine that functionality might be attached to an object which is only loaded in the flatzone target test and not even loaded into flatzone. BUT that's just my imagination, it could be that same object is loaded but in flatzone it sees that hidable target doesn't exist and therefore always displays the flat closed door. But those are just two possibilities, and the reality is probably something entirely different, but I've never opened the melee code before and I'm not planning on changing that today lol. Hopefully someone knowledgeable about the game engine might have a minute or two to take a look and let us know.
For the mid tier madness question about every mid tier except the Link's having this attribute, my first thought went to what is technically a lack of an attribute as the Link's are the only mid tiers that can spawn items. Peach and G&W can as well but they're not mid tiers. Pretty tricky but neat question, would not have thought of the angled ftilts. For the moves that were similar and just had a difference of 4 frame start up and different angles, one being a Sakurai angle and the other being a meteor, I had a few possible thoughts. I was thinking aerial Falcon Kick and Wizkick although I don't actually know if wizkick meteors in Melee or if that was a later addition, I was also thinking possibly Marth and Roy's side b, Dancing Blade and Double Edge Dance as I know at least Marth has a meteor hit in there somewhere, no idea if Roy does too. But then you mentioned the moves having the same name which made me think it's either a special shared by clones or a generic move shared by clones so I thought of Link and Young Link dair since Young Link dair can meteor. I also have no idea at all if any of the moves I listed even have a Sakurai angle. Didn't at all guess Fox/Falco side b although to be pedantic, they don't share names. Fox Illusion and Falco Phantasm. That answer is actually way more evident to me when thinking of Ult where they massively slowed down the start up of Fox Illusion but not Falco Phantasm. Didn't even know there was a frame difference in Melee but then I barely ever play Fox, although I do main Falco.
@FrogFromNS in vgc (2v2) Hitmontop does way more than rapid spin. Hitmontop has intimidate, fake out, helping hand, wide guard, & quick guard. It used to be paired with kyogre.
15:50 i really thought it was skull bash for some reason. the some reason is that the entirety of jiggly is a skull but she can probably learn skull bash which i haven't seen since gen 1
This is fun! That titular (thumbnail-tular?) Q about the same landing lag “regardless of whether l-canceled” is a lil misleading though since the l-canceled vs non of course have different frame data (isn’t it always a flat half the frames reduction, subject to rounding?)
@@FrogFromNS I mean I agree about calling all mythical Pokemon legendaries because that's what we called them growing up, but you can't use this justification and then have Fairy type in the Pokemon type question shaking my smh my head
Pokemon didn't bring that distinction until gen V! Prior to that they were all referred to as legendaries. They were retroactively changed to mythicals after that.
Considering this is a trivia based game, whether or not it's serious or casual there really shouldn't be this many inaccuracies in wording/spelling/actual inaccuracies being told via conversation. Fox and Falco side B have different lengths and therefore last a different amount of time and have different names (the name is mentioned by a contestant immediately). Samus question was worded terribly and you had the frames wrong. Jigglypuff's fsmash is called Lunge Kick (not a move in pokemon). Thunder base power is incorrect. The tier list you show at the beginning for mid tiers is cut off to not include G&W but he's considered the same tier as Link and YL (not my opinion just what the "official" tier list states is C minus), so he should be included in your mid tier questions which makes them all incorrect. Even considering that you made your own mid tier for these questions, there are still some issues. 20 of the 26 characters have angled ftilts and the wording of the question very strongly implies it's a mechanic only the mid-tiers can do. A Link main was never top 100, Lord HDL had switched to Marth the year he was top 100 if I recall correctly. I may be nitpicking but when you make a Jeopardy video the people watching tend to play along and don't want to be cheated out of being correct. The format is excellent and has potential, some of your questions are great! Just need some proofreading.
There was pretty much only one clue that you needed Pokémon knowledge to know (the types one), the rest were just very niche melee knowledge! Thats a fair criticism though, making categories for clues is tough, the pokemon category was a bit of a stretch but i thought it could work.
I just don't think it's that huge of a deal so if the players want to they can and if they don't they don't have to :) I'm more into the trivia part and jeopardy is just a cool format
@FrogFromNS oh ok. I think my mind thinks that if it's trivia it's trivia, but jeopardy is the specific rules. I'm not trying to criticize the rules you're using, just I never saw this series before and wondered about this. It's kind of why jeopardy is so hard, imo
Ganon's down air is not a spike it is a meteor, you can meteor cancel Ganon's down air. And Falco's Side B goes very slightly shorter distance than Fox's SMH gotta get these things right if you're gonna talk like you know for certain
“Randy, you said ‘Falcon’. You’re smoking crack” 💀💀💀
can you tell i main falcon
We’re literally one aMSa-caliber player away from a Falcon Renaissance. I hope I’m not the only person yearning for that day.
@@jmentone modern top fox is probably an insurmountable hurdle for falcon but it's also that for yoshi so provided Cody/moky/mango lose to someone else it's doable
Algorithm pickup?!
Yep
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"All of this characters aerials have the same landing lag, both l-cancelled and not." Might have made the question more clear. It was a little confusing. Made it sound like l-cancelling would do nothing (maybe thats why the GNW guess).
Cool video!
Yeah youre 100% correct there, was just struggling to come up with a good way to word it
Yeah I play Samus and knew this but didn't get it because I didn't get the question lol. Great question, just poorly worded! It's 15 frames without L-cancel, 7 frames with, for the record 🤓
@@FrogFromNSThe "both l-cancelled and not" part isnt needed. All L-cancelling does is make the animation play faster, so any moves that have matching landing lag will by extension have matching l-cancelled landing lag. But maybe thats just another piece of melee trivia lol
@@aaroncampbell6822damn I main Samus and didn't even realize all her moves have the same amount of landing lag haha
18:38 Ganon's is a meteor.
Edit:
18:58 That's not what a Sakurai angle is. It's a 0 degree angle at low knockback, scaling toward 45 degrees as knockback increases, unless the opponent is airborne in which case it launches straight up. The name comes from the low percent behavior of leaving the opponent on the ground, which in brawl any hit that leaves the opponent grounded gains bonus trip chance.
Hey, just an idea: For people like me that don't know the contestants and can't follow the voices, it would help showing something like speech bubbles so I'd be able to associate who is talking with their game progress
Already ahead of ya, latest episode has that :)
Thunder was 120 BP and is now 110 BP it was never 130. Imo should be replayed
I caught that. Also, if you wanna get reeeeally technical, Mew and Celebi are not Legendary, they are Mythical.
Was just about to call this out
@@ultlifeform In all non-japanese media before gen 5, there was no distinction - all of the mythicals were called legendaries.
So in a sense, you could choose to see mythicals as a subset of legendaries. The official info is a bit vague.
@@SirPage13 That's fair. But if we're counting Jigglypuff as a Fairy type (gen 6+), then it fits to also count them as mythical. It's more debatable though, less of an objective error than the 130 Thunder.
@@ultlifeform Oh for sure! ^^
Picking up where GG Melee left off
Felt a hole in my heart for shitty niche gaming trivia so I made it myself :)
@@FrogFromNS Duuude I loved watching them, so sad they're not here to do it anymore. I'd love to help with questions if you want, I love Melee trivia
I really thought this vid was going to have a couple hundred k views. Quite enjoyed the format
Couple hundred K??? Sir this is Melee we’re talking about
This channel is gonna blow up, at least I hope so. I love jeopardy youtube videos, and you got some solid music choices! Hope to see you make more of these!
Should be a brand new one dropping either Wednesday or Thursday depending on how quickly I can get it edited!
i loved this. definitely up to watch a few more of these!! keep up the good work
Found this from the algo: jeopardy critique, they’re supposed to answer in the form of a question
Also idt daily doubles can appear on a 200 spot but might be wrong😊
Daily doubles have appeared on every slot previously on jeopardy, and the answering as a question this is just kinda much for guests I'd feel like a dick being like "no points for not answering as question"
@@FrogFromNSyou can remind them in a nice way :)
I think it’d help theme
I like that guy that was going for all the big money questions, showed some real gusto
Goddamn I feel like you have to just not play Melee to not realize Falcos side B is waaaay faster than Fox's
repent to God
There is no way falcos isn't shorter though, are they really the same distance?
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I’m so good at these lol, I loooove melee lore and facts haha
Mew and Celebi are not legendary pokemon, they are mythical pokemon.
To be fair, it is completely possible that Flat Zone itself has the open door texture reachable within the stage file, and it only doesn't contain the code that cycles between them.
I do not know whether or not this is the reality, but I'm sure someone here outta know how to figure out
it's unreachable state from flat zone - only open in target practice
@snared_ yes, but if they didn't remove it from the file, only making it inaccessible, it's still TECHNICALLY part of the stage. As I said though, I don't even know if that part is true so 🤷♂️
@@obviouslyanonymous Since one is simply a texture and the other is an animated object that hides a specific target, I would imagine that functionality might be attached to an object which is only loaded in the flatzone target test and not even loaded into flatzone. BUT that's just my imagination, it could be that same object is loaded but in flatzone it sees that hidable target doesn't exist and therefore always displays the flat closed door. But those are just two possibilities, and the reality is probably something entirely different, but I've never opened the melee code before and I'm not planning on changing that today lol. Hopefully someone knowledgeable about the game engine might have a minute or two to take a look and let us know.
falco side b goes less far than fox's 😭
Fun video, just please follow the jeopardy format of answering with a question if you ever make another.
This is baller, I love this format
I love these people keep making more
Trying to learn and improve as I go
The angling f tilts was a dumb question there are only like 7 characters who can't
Good stuff. Make sure to double check the typos. Looking forward to seeing more(:
For the mid tier madness question about every mid tier except the Link's having this attribute, my first thought went to what is technically a lack of an attribute as the Link's are the only mid tiers that can spawn items. Peach and G&W can as well but they're not mid tiers. Pretty tricky but neat question, would not have thought of the angled ftilts.
For the moves that were similar and just had a difference of 4 frame start up and different angles, one being a Sakurai angle and the other being a meteor, I had a few possible thoughts. I was thinking aerial Falcon Kick and Wizkick although I don't actually know if wizkick meteors in Melee or if that was a later addition, I was also thinking possibly Marth and Roy's side b, Dancing Blade and Double Edge Dance as I know at least Marth has a meteor hit in there somewhere, no idea if Roy does too. But then you mentioned the moves having the same name which made me think it's either a special shared by clones or a generic move shared by clones so I thought of Link and Young Link dair since Young Link dair can meteor. I also have no idea at all if any of the moves I listed even have a Sakurai angle. Didn't at all guess Fox/Falco side b although to be pedantic, they don't share names. Fox Illusion and Falco Phantasm. That answer is actually way more evident to me when thinking of Ult where they massively slowed down the start up of Fox Illusion but not Falco Phantasm. Didn't even know there was a frame difference in Melee but then I barely ever play Fox, although I do main Falco.
Very well thought-out. Subbed!
This is a lot of cool trivia
@16:25 the Hitmontop SLANDER is reprehensible here wtf!!!! It's by far the most viable of the trio wtffff
Still just a rapid spin bot though (assault vest hitmonchan would like a word)
@@FrogFromNS w/out boosting little bro is doing no damage
@FrogFromNS in vgc (2v2) Hitmontop does way more than rapid spin. Hitmontop has intimidate, fake out, helping hand, wide guard, & quick guard. It used to be paired with kyogre.
@@papijr408 yeah but then incineroar existed
I had no idea it was called an axe method. I thought that was called a shai drop
this is awesome
idk if this even matters but i wanted to say that jigglypuff's f-smash is actually lunge kick, not rolling kick. rolling kick is puff's f-tilt
You could sell this to melee content creators or be intermittent entertainment at streamed tournaments. Awesome concept 👍
15:50 i really thought it was skull bash for some reason. the some reason is that the entirety of jiggly is a skull
but she can probably learn skull bash which i haven't seen since gen 1
Hey man love these videos. What software do you use for this?
It's just a slideshow
Jeopardy format without requiring responses to be made in the form of a question is an L. Otherwise, decent questions
Me screaming sami stalling lol
Cool idea! Wish my friends where this nerdy about smash 😅
This is fun! That titular (thumbnail-tular?) Q about the same landing lag “regardless of whether l-canceled” is a lil misleading though since the l-canceled vs non of course have different frame data (isn’t it always a flat half the frames reduction, subject to rounding?)
13:20 depending on if you would consider Samus to beid tier or not, every mid tier except the links can't zair
Great Video! Do you use any type of software to run a functional Jeopardy board or is it all done in post?
It's just a Google slideshow. There's a few good software for doing it but they cost money and I'm broke
Great idea!
Mew and celebi are mythical, not legendary. Also thunder's base power is 110. It used to be 120 but I dont think it was ever 130.
Mythical didn't get used as a term until gen 5 youre right about thunder though it was 120
@@FrogFromNS I mean I agree about calling all mythical Pokemon legendaries because that's what we called them growing up, but you can't use this justification and then have Fairy type in the Pokemon type question shaking my smh my head
Gonna need to see some pros play this
Working on that, started as a shitpost for my friends/locals but I might be able to make it work
After catching up, I can confidently say that east coast really does not know anything about melee 😔😔😔
Shoutout Chimpact
Oh yeah absolutely heavily inspired 🙈. Went on a chimpact binge and thought "hey I miss melee jeopardies"
Yo I saw you guys at WEMAD last weekend that's so funny
AWESOME!
The aerial question was weirdly worded. Made it sound like L cancels didn’t matter.
Anyways, great Jeopardy! Get M2K on this as the final boss
This is a cool video! It’s too bad your three friends have never played melee lmao
Crazy thing is two of em been playing since 2015 and one is gm on ranked 💀
@@FrogFromNS LOL
10:15
now that is something i didn't know
kinda sucks that there's no way to tell who buzzed in visually
That's a good point, I'll see if I can find a way to show that on screen in the next one
This is wild! Great video 😂 #Melee
Lil Mitts my GOAT
Rolling Kick is Puff’s ftilt, not fsmash
Sure is, was my b
9:45 I think that’s Male Wireframe and Female Wireframe as well!
Didn't know that if true, cool
Love jeopardy wish i could try it withsum of my frens
Epic sauce video
Subautica music gwaeugh :)
Great video
yo get me in here frog I'm becoming a millionaire
My son hit the algo im so proud
Nine Legendary
Errmmmmm acshually there are 9 legendaries mew and celebi are mythicals
Pokemon didn't bring that distinction until gen V! Prior to that they were all referred to as legendaries. They were retroactively changed to mythicals after that.
@@FrogFromNStouche
this was a rough showing 😂
also celebi and mew are classified as mythical not legendary
Mythical didn't come about as a classification until gen 5
that's a crazy loophole 😳@@FrogFromNS
Subnautica music? Or am I going crazy lmao
One of my all time favourite games, makes good calm background music !
Considering this is a trivia based game, whether or not it's serious or casual there really shouldn't be this many inaccuracies in wording/spelling/actual inaccuracies being told via conversation.
Fox and Falco side B have different lengths and therefore last a different amount of time and have different names (the name is mentioned by a contestant immediately). Samus question was worded terribly and you had the frames wrong. Jigglypuff's fsmash is called Lunge Kick (not a move in pokemon). Thunder base power is incorrect. The tier list you show at the beginning for mid tiers is cut off to not include G&W but he's considered the same tier as Link and YL (not my opinion just what the "official" tier list states is C minus), so he should be included in your mid tier questions which makes them all incorrect. Even considering that you made your own mid tier for these questions, there are still some issues. 20 of the 26 characters have angled ftilts and the wording of the question very strongly implies it's a mechanic only the mid-tiers can do. A Link main was never top 100, Lord HDL had switched to Marth the year he was top 100 if I recall correctly.
I may be nitpicking but when you make a Jeopardy video the people watching tend to play along and don't want to be cheated out of being correct. The format is excellent and has potential, some of your questions are great! Just need some proofreading.
The pokemon category is crap because it involves pokemon knowledge more than melee knowledge. This was otherwise a great video.
There was pretty much only one clue that you needed Pokémon knowledge to know (the types one), the rest were just very niche melee knowledge!
Thats a fair criticism though, making categories for clues is tough, the pokemon category was a bit of a stretch but i thought it could work.
Didn't marth also lose weight in pal, because shine knocks down right?
Yes! Marth and fox lose weight as top tiers
M2K would destroy this
Where do you make these? I wanna make one for my friends :D
Algorithm feeding us the goods 🙏
Good video
can i apply to be on the next episode?
Um actually they didn't phrase it as a question [insert nerd emoji here]
thumbnail advice, I aint reading allat
Its more or less meant to just show that it's a jeopardy video.
I'm confused about people not answering in the form of a question here, is this normal?
I just don't think it's that huge of a deal so if the players want to they can and if they don't they don't have to :) I'm more into the trivia part and jeopardy is just a cool format
@FrogFromNS oh ok. I think my mind thinks that if it's trivia it's trivia, but jeopardy is the specific rules. I'm not trying to criticize the rules you're using, just I never saw this series before and wondered about this. It's kind of why jeopardy is so hard, imo
@@lastknownwolf that's fair, I just like the fun goofy categories and format.
22:44 🤓 ☝️ um actually mew and celebi are mythical not legendary
Ganon's down air is not a spike it is a meteor, you can meteor cancel Ganon's down air. And Falco's Side B goes very slightly shorter distance than Fox's
SMH gotta get these things right if you're gonna talk like you know for certain
Gotta bait comments somehow 😬 (also I thought he said Ganon downb)
@@FrogFromNS all good! yeah Ganon down b is a spike for sure, keep up the great vids!
YOOO WTF THIS SHIT IT SO SICK
Celebi ♥
good idea, could use some improvement
Mew and celebi are mythical pokemon not legendary so technically 9
Mythical is a distinction that didn't become a thing until genV so in melees files they are listed as legendary!
What a niche channel. Subbee
Fix audio and spruce editing this would do great 👍
Learning as I go :) started as a mini project to just have fun with friends and teach myself to edit. Hopefully it improves with every video
mew and celebi are mythical, not legendary 🤓
This distinction didn't come until gen V, within melees files they would still be legendary
mekre 2
"Super Smash Melee" makes me cringe
does the best in the algorithm idk
lol literally first question is wrong get downvoted kid
Hi this vid is cool :D
🤘 'promosm'
7:10 isn't it actually over teching? Overtriforce did it first
I've never heard it called that and also that guys banned now so probably not
@@FrogFromNSwhen did you start playing melee?
@@Darbaki7 late 2014. It's 1000% amsah teching if you ask any good player rn what they'd call it it's an amsah tech
how does one get on this show
I be asking in the Atlantic discord a lot you want in 👀?
Also, Marths weight was also decreased in PAL
Yeah I thought I edited in a text thing but I guess I didn't 💀
@@FrogFromNStfw I’m from the other coast :(
Love the format, glad you’re keeping up with it, I saw the first one on r/ssbm