Some legal background to this situation: - Ontario trespass laws: www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp?fid=1&threadid=66590 (Not what railway police will charge you with) - Federal law ""No person shall, without lawful excuse, enter on land on which a line work is situated.": www.tc.gc.ca/eng/railsafety/policy-264.htm (What railway police will charge you with - no requirement for signage or notification) - In Ontario the railway right-of-way does NOT overlap the road allowance: i.imgur.com/CBLdTZY.jpg (You are not trespassing if you are on the road allowance) Most crew members are friendly and have no issues with railfans unless they are interfering with operations. Thank you for watching & commenting! Jason
it ok jay jr, keep doing your videos for people like me who love trains and is disabled so I can't walk long distance, so I really appreciate you guys that makes videos for us on UA-cam, GOD bless and be safe!
Hmm, 3:03 Throttling up and rolling.....bright headlights off. Violation? Two short whistles to indicate forward movement, none. Violation? 3:32 good boy, he remembered finally.
That sucks. Up here in Washington the engineers are really nice. One even yelled my attention from the cab and pointed at a coal train that was coming.
Hey there we nice crews here St. Louis area there really nice because it was Norfolk Southern Train comes around bend at Mitchell Illinois and basically do truck blow sign there’s no crossing here yeah get blow horn the conductor get up throw me a blank train order
It goes to show that no matter where you are, there's that 1% of people that are jerks. Most of the time, maybe 99% of the time, the train crews are actually quite friendly.
This is interesting how much he's coming up with in one sitting. That's how you get through to the boss.... "It's keeping me from doing my job." Either he is having a bad day or wants to watch the world burn
What a cry baby but this is what our world has come to. Seems to me one would appreciate those who appreciate what they do. I was a lineman and often had people taking pictures and video of me doing my job. I was flattered that someone gave a damn. Most don't, it made me feel good that I was being watched and appreciated for the job I did. Guess I am cut from a different cloth than these cry babies today. Thanks, Jay appreciate the video because I have always liked trains and enjoy watching all these video's. As for the crybaby get over yourself and be thankful someone appreciates you and your job.
Railroads are cool. You have an interesting job. No one video tapes IT guys doing their jobs, ever. I too would be flattered if my job or career had fans like rail does.
WOW...a tad Uptight. This guy had EVERY RIGHT to be where he was. That Conductor should be Arrested for False Report of an Incident. He's on Public Land. CSX Crews actually offer us water when it's hot and we are Rail Fanning.
"False Report"? No, this conductor shouldn't just be arrested, he should also be FIRED for lying!! JayJr2007 was WELL within his rights to film whatever he wants from public property so long as it doesn't pose a security threat and as this video clearly showed, it wasn't.
Dude needs to get over it. He might think his conductor job is just any other type of job and heck he probably hates his job being a conductor. That A**hole should understand there are people that would love to work for the railroad and do his type of job. It's not easy getting into the railroad business sometimes whether it's personal reasons or other reasons. So people just railfan which is harmless if done the right way. That conductor obviously has nothing else better to do either than clog up the radio over BS. The guy is out in the public were cars are passing him and seeing him. He is obviously not trying to be secretive and up to no good...
I know a lot of train crews are happy to see railfans still these days. It's a different time now I guess though... even a few decades ago there was a more friendly relationship between crews and railfans especially looking at old videos of hundreds to thousands of people meeting certain special trains just to get a look at it. In the 1960s I believe there was a triple header steam excursion train that did a trip from Toronto to Orangeville and there were thousands of people that greeted the train when it arrived in Orangeville and they completely flooded the rail yard. You would never see anything like that now.
Hi. I´m just wondering, that is it illegal to film trains in Canada? I would understand, if one was filming right next to the tracks, because it is dangerous, but clearly you´re like 3-4 meters away from the tracks. I´m planning to come to Canada this coming summer to film some trains. But anyway, i would like to say that i love your films. You´re doing a great job! Greetings from Helsinki, Finland :)
+JuhaVnt Thanks man! Let me know if you are coming & I'll give you whatever spots I know of. Nope not illegal at all as long as you aren't trespassing on railroad property. In Canada you can film virtually anything as long as you do it from a public space. Jason
That so called "conductor" needs a serious reality check. That guy's attitude is such that I would venture so far as reporting him to Canadian Pacific's employment centre in Calgary.
A million years ago at YSU I took an Astronomy class. There was a group of 5 men and women who also took the course. They huddled together in the hallway before the class before the prof came and unlocked the door. The one guy would always give people the evil eye as they walked by. Always with the look. One day I was driving home and there 'evil eye' was in uniform driving a cop car. Okay I says to myself that explains it, he's a cop. Well no. A while later the Youngstown Vindicator ran a front page story how a theft ring was broken and arrests had been made. The arrested pictures were there too. Guess who the ring leader was. Ol' Evil Eye himself. Seems they'd break into stereo shops and fill up their trunks of their squad cars.
Rick Saffery I wouldn't go that far. Railroads today leave ZERO room for drug and alcohol use while on the job. Surprise, suspicionless drug/alcohol testing is the norm. And the job pays pretty well. Some guys do fall off the wagon, but most won't risk a 100k/yr job just to take a illicit sip or toke. But certainly the guy needs to accept being filmed in todays tech heavy, social media age. It's now the norm.
Ya know what is really actually sad is that we are now given rules such as this to deter this activity...it's part of the ethics and heightened security threats. The conductor in fact did his job sadly enough and he'll get an atta-boy or so be it... But yea, what a desperately sad state of affairs this world....pretty soon the birds will be posting here about being harassed and having their nests bombed out. I'm done. Oh and by the way...I work at a NON-UNION railway...in Canada... Watching trains has now been officially tagged as low as pedophilia...
Some don't like being a star..in actuality there's good people out there who are watching and reporting defects so it's a give and take..I say let em watch..
Roger Diotte Can't count the number of defective crossings I have reported. And given rides to conductors to the back of their train and back up to the head end. It never hurts to help a guy out. Some have flat out refused the ride & would rather walk than have anything to do with me. lol
I think the world has changed for the worse. I miss the caboose and the men who waved to all those excited children who dreamed of being on that caboose going somewhere!!
My feeling is that you are NOT trespassing at all, and the only reason someone might get upset about being photographed is if they aren't very good at their job, or are afraid of being caught on tape doing something wrong. Confident train employees shouldn't have a problem with a railfan. Also, its offensive that this guy things you have nothing better to do. If you are an older guy then you might be retired, how dare he judge you and suggest you have nothing better to do!
Some have made excellent comments below. I am saddened to hear that this particular Canadian railway employee was put out by someone taking an interest in what he did for a living. I hope that guy is in a tiny minority of CP employees. Sad really.
Sheesh, harsh... Im always here on the BNSF subs and tracks listening to the scanners and all I have ever heard was hey, honk at em! or if they see the scanner, even a hi! But never about trespassing... Although, I sort of notice his on alot of videos with CP in em. Guess its not a railfan friendly company... some are friendly, others not so much...
That's actually false. Under the Act, it is completely, 100% legal to operate a scanner and to re-broadcast any received audio as long as it isn't relaying private information (which this is clearly not doing). You're also allowed, by law, to broadcast radio streams (like many sites for trains & airplanes, police etc.) as long as they aren't encrypted. And no, this hasn't changed in the last year since your comment was made. Stand up for your rights! Record it, broadcast it, whatever you want!
Here is a "classic" case of job boredom. The conductor is so bored with his job that he has to take it out on the guy recording the train. Conductor needs to find another line of work or perhaps do something else. How do we know he is bored or unhappy with his job? Good question. Notice when he gets out of the cab and walks to the lock box, walking like a man unhappy with the work or bored. This does not make for same railroading. So for something to do, he calls the dispatcher. Probably to make conversation. Maybe he and the engineer don't get along and he needs to talk to someone. Anyway, the guy is a jerk.
This train crew is absolutely on the wrong legal track! In addition, a true railfan is a huge benefit to the railways as he can provide train inspection of the cars and loads going by and call RTC with his cell-phone if an anomaly is detected. This can be critical since we no longer run trains with cabooses. 2018/01/13.
Well. if the conductor can't stand being filmed...best not go into law enforcement, or any other public service field. I guess this is in Canada...in the United States, anyone may observer/film passing trains as long as they are not blocking the signals, standing in the road, or trespassing on private land (that is Posted!).
My father says your in safe ZONE,, he is lines an communication boss 4 cp...Your ok were u r sir,,he says keep the good video Rollin,,JUS be safe an stay back like u have been...he says there's a couple idiots in ever bushel basket of apples..we r both saying Be well sir keep up good videos..
I can understand he doesn't want to be videotaped, but he can't report you for trespassing. I'm pretty sure he's abusing his job as a conductor (reporting you to RTC), for his own personal reason. And I like how he sticks his head out the window at 3:44 to try and catch your plate number!
I can tell you what that Conductor was P.O.'d about? He is so anal retentive it hurts to sit on his head all the time with it anally injected. The guy filming is clearly on public property. Almost all laws in USA and Canada give railroads 20 ft. either side of the tracks as right-of-way. This guy is at minimum, 20 ft. away from the tracks. Where the conductor screwed up? Was when he came to that call box and phoned in. He exposed his face and now every will know who he is. That was a very ignorant move on his part. Then to openly talk about it on the radio, then the train starts up, ironically at a time when the conductors temper is needlessly heat up, and as the engines go by, you can see that the conductor is throwing his steely eyes out the window at the guy filming, once again exposing his face. And yes, at 5:09 you can hear the conductor call the guy filming, a "M.F.'er." That is call for FCC violations and he should be admonished for saying that on "RR property," if you want to get down to it. The conductor should be ashamed of himself. Did he ever think that may be (beings he called the guy elderly) a retired RR worker and has taken up filming as a hobby???If you want to support the conductor for his ignorance, go ahead. Don't bother me with your ignorance also. The conductor is a world class A #1 TWIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
In my opinion there are two kinds of rail fans. The first kind are the ones who don't trespass, won't foul the mainline ect. The second kind are these so called "foamers" I don't really know a lot about foamers but I've heard nothing but bad things about them. Also the rail fans who do actual illegal shit on railway property give the rest of us a bad reputation. It sucks but what can you do.
Well, for one, IMO, criticize those who think they represent us all - those people are the ones spreding the fallacy that some doing illegal shit = we're all bad.
What is that guy thinking you have to be on the other side down a bit to be trespassing. My father use to work for a train yard and I know you have to be 200 yard before you are on rail yard. I almost got a fine for being walking down the track. I got stop just before I just enter the yard. Told the guy I was meeting up with my father. This guy is on a power trip.
THAT'S THE GUY! I recognize that conductor, he has been working T-13 the circle lately Which runs to Lambton yard, he's not a very friendly guy. I knew I recognized him from somewhere.
Geez it's not like you were hurting anyone. Guess they can't understand peoples' love of trains and fascination of them. You weren't hurting him or anyone else. Cited for what? Looks like you were on public property. Good thing you covered your license plate though. He was trying to cause trouble for you. Great vid!
Oh man, that conductor's attitude ruined the video LOL. Talk about being grumpy, wow. I have chatted with several CP rail employees and they've all been nice in answering questions regarding rail work etc... I've even seen CP Police watch me and my dog walk on the rail side road and they left us alone...If a train comes we move well out of the way. Thanks, hope you don't have to put up with that jerk too often.
Are you there every day? Old guy with nothing else to do but film? Well I hope you keep showing up and filming. We should all be so lucky when we retire we can get out and film trains. I think the operator is afraid you will video him doing something wrong? Thanks for the video keep posting.
That is a cool consist. I was really worried they perhaps forgot to put their ditch lights on when approaching that crossing, but at the last moment they did.
Don't know how they can complain if you are filming from a public street. Of course if you are on RR property that might be a different matter. Railfanners SUPPORT RR workers. No reason for the RR workers to be upset with filming. Just my opinion.
Wow jay. You weren't a very popular guy back then. A real rabble rousing scallywag. I was 10 years a switchman from 93 to 04. There were folks filming even back then. They were just using video cameras instead of cell phones. I never really had an issue because I already knew folks have been filming trains long before I was there. My only worry today is that now millions of folks can see these vids now. Including the bosses of the workers in the vids. I always suggest that rail workers be on their best "follow the rules" behavior. Never know who's watching. Also, I worried back then that some guy filming was actually a railroad company official. Still not much I can do about except be on my "best" behavior during filming. But I did have conversations with a few guys. Really nice people. But as long as you are not on railroad property, not much they can do.
I had inadvertently made some enemies when I reported some autoracks that almost rolled over (ua-cam.com/video/ZAI9Qe5yJRQ/v-deo.htmlm23s ) & later found out that it was the engineer's fault for staying in the speed range of harmonic roll. Needless to say, there was a few of them that were very unhappy with me after that. Ooops. lol . The vast majority of crews are friendly & have given rides to several conductors so they didn't have to walk the train. Thanks for watching! Jason
Yeah your "harmonic roll" vid was wild. Now can they be mad at you??? Sure. But that crew is LUCKY those cars didn't rock right off the rail. They would have been disciplined for sure. You alerting them of their condition may have irritated some. But they certainly needed the irritation to remind them of the speed restriction in that siding. That's not something you can just wily nily forget about. Roll a few loaded racks of the rail and that siding will be unceremoniously named after you. I guarantee it. (btw, not sure if you know or not but anytime a part of the railroad is named after you, that means you really eff'd something up bigtime)
He said he was gonna talk to the guy himself, but of course he didn't. Like most people who call in false complaints they don't have the courage to do anything themselves. They call it in to dispatch and have the police called to do the dirty work this conductor should have done himself.
This Conductor is afraid of his own shadow. He is afraid the Railfans will videotape him doing something wrong. What was the last comment? Citing the train's slight delay because trespassing??????
Jesus dude got a problem....my dad worked at Rock Island, CNW and then BN i worked at CC-IC-CN then railnet ....we used to give out hats and key chains
I wouldn't have videotaped him walking along the track. Let him do his job. Other then that, and that's more of an ethical suggestion on my part, I don't see anything wrong. The employee needs to get a grip on things. By the way what happened? There was a claim that they would do spot checks at that location.
@@JayJr2007 I also wonder if he knew that you had a scanner with you. He 'claimed' he was going to talk to you then decided not to. As you had a camera rolling, knew that his conversation with you would be taped. The way he handled it, he figured he could make claims about you more easier (i.e. that you were trespassing when you clearly weren't.) You would not have known about the conversation without the scanner.
hey man a little late nice video i am a hogger on the via trains in the gta even though I'm 19 i understand where the conductor is coming from filming a train pass is one thing and i honk for you guys all the time but filming him outside the train would bug me too as a railroader we have a lot of freedom so when people are filming us feels like where loosing some of that
Actually, he can film or take pictures of whatever he wants. It sounds more like CPR is harassing him, which also has it's legal and criminal implications. This video and the radio recording could completely implicate the railway crew in that they are simply out to get this guy. Being cited and proving it in court are two very different things. If CPR isn't careful, it could find itself in a nice hefty lawsuit of harassment of the public.
I'm surprised at this. Looks like you were filming from way back of the barrier line and not next to the tracks. Not friendly of this guy at all including his ignorant comments. Unfortunate. If you were a terrorist scoping out a "plan of action" I wonder if they would do anything at all.
So what if you are there every day? He had no right to insult you and accuse you of trespassing. He flat out lied-you were clearly behind the gate and far enough away from the right of way. I don't know Canadian law, but in the United States that last recording would be evidence of entrapment and you could have sued.
The author of the video has a nearly clear case to possibly sue for malicious prosecution. CP Rail Legal Department may want to send a memo out to their workers reminding them the purpose of law enforcement and it's not there to enforce non existent laws and imaginary infractions.
two things to think about.... 1. According to The Canadian Radiocommunications Act is clear about the legality of recording and rebroadcasting radio communications... it is illegal. 2. As explained to me by CN's railway police agents, The railway right-of-way can extend from 30 to 50 feet on either side of a rail line. Dispite not being inside the crossing gate... you are trespassing. Great videos, but I would avoid recording the crew's radio communcations...
"The accused laughs at the accuser" we can't tell if you were behind the gate from the first shot but who knows .. you did rant a lot in the descriptions
Wow, seems the train crews on the CP Mactier Sub just don't like railfans. We are railfans, not trespassers!!! You were a good distance from the tracks, so you were definitely not trespassing. I cant believe this conductor keeps reporting railfans as a suspicious person or a trespasser, because we are not trespassing. My cousin is a CSX engineer, and he has no issue with railfans.
And I think the conductor knew you werent trespassing, listen how many times he said "uhhh" over the scanner, probably trying to make up reasons to report you for.
Yeah for most RR employees, they could care less unless you are doing something dangerous. However, I will say that it does make train crews nervous as people do end themselves by train regularly. When I realized that, I started giving them more space.
Riiight. My favorite spot in Chattanooga is technically trespassing, but I used to park up there and watch trains roll by and they’d wave and do a horn salute. No problem with me. But recently the city installed a large power pole at the bottom of the hill and cleared out some trees, now you can see who’s parked up there from the road. Last time I was in Chattanooga I parked up there and not ten minutes later did a cop pull up and say he spotted me and asked me to leave. So next time i go I’ll have to hide from the cops but not the crews. Funny how that works sometimes.
There was absolutely NO trespass.. The fact that you could see the VEHICLE side face of the crossing gate is proof that you were on the proper side of the crossing gate. This guy is a liar who is trying to start trouble. Doesnt want you to catch him on his iphone texting his girlfriend or watching a basketball game...
Some legal background to this situation:
- Ontario trespass laws: www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp?fid=1&threadid=66590 (Not what railway police will charge you with)
- Federal law ""No person shall, without lawful excuse, enter on land on which a line work is situated.": www.tc.gc.ca/eng/railsafety/policy-264.htm (What railway police will charge you with - no requirement for signage or notification)
- In Ontario the railway right-of-way does NOT overlap the road allowance: i.imgur.com/CBLdTZY.jpg (You are not trespassing if you are on the road allowance)
Most crew members are friendly and have no issues with railfans unless they are interfering with operations.
Thank you for watching & commenting!
Jason
What is going on now? never went to court?
No charge was laid; never heard from them.
just started watching your videos lately, i think your doing an excellent job. your not doing anything illegal that i can see. keep up the good work!
JayJr2007 bruh i live near there lol.
WOW! Amazing. I can't believe they did that.
He even said I don't know what kinda complaint I can lodge. He's just whining
"Video taping every move I make" Well yea that's what happens when you stop right in front of someone with a camera pointed to you.
Poor baby. Maybe he needs a nap.
it ok jay jr, keep doing your videos for people like me who love trains and is disabled so I can't walk long distance, so I really appreciate you guys that makes videos for us on UA-cam, GOD bless and be safe!
I feel sorry for the conductor's kids. Life is probably a hellish ordeal under a control freak like that. Nice catch!
Hmm, 3:03 Throttling up and rolling.....bright headlights off. Violation? Two short whistles to indicate forward movement, none. Violation? 3:32 good boy, he remembered finally.
Not a violation, lights may be dimmed through crossings as long as the train doesnt exceed 20 MPH.
That sucks. Up here in Washington the engineers are really nice. One even yelled my attention from the cab and pointed at a coal train that was coming.
There are friendly crews out there too.
I had a foreman once offer to move his rail vehicle so I could get a better shot. lol
J
Hey there we nice crews here St. Louis area there really nice because it was Norfolk Southern Train comes around bend at Mitchell Illinois and basically do truck blow sign there’s no crossing here yeah get blow horn the conductor get up throw me a blank train order
@@JayJr2007 u should come make a video on the 10th line in oro medonte, I pass there everyday
What a whiner .He nearly forgot to turn on the lights, needs to pay more attention to his job
Probably not. Lots of guys turn them on just before the crossing, and off immediately afterward.
It goes to show that no matter where you are, there's that 1% of people that are jerks. Most of the time, maybe 99% of the time, the train crews are actually quite friendly.
"Mommy! Tommy's looking at me! Quit it! I said quit it"!
What a flippin' jerk that engineer/conductor is !
This is interesting how much he's coming up with in one sitting. That's how you get through to the boss.... "It's keeping me from doing my job." Either he is having a bad day or wants to watch the world burn
That Conductor most likely got kicked out by his Mom that morning.... So he's pissed at the world.....
The Conductor had sand in his vagina that day.
@@Nigel2Zoom 😂😂
@@Nigel2Zoom lmfao
What a cry baby but this is what our world has come to. Seems to me one would appreciate those who appreciate what they do. I was a lineman and often had people taking pictures and video of me doing my job. I was flattered that someone gave a damn. Most don't, it made me feel good that I was being watched and appreciated for the job I did. Guess I am cut from a different cloth than these cry babies today. Thanks, Jay appreciate the video because I have always liked trains and enjoy watching all these video's. As for the crybaby get over yourself and be thankful someone appreciates you and your job.
Railroads are cool. You have an interesting job. No one video tapes IT guys doing their jobs, ever. I too would be flattered if my job or career had fans like rail does.
1:09 he said something about getting ready to report you. What a bum…. Lol
WOW...a tad Uptight. This guy had EVERY RIGHT to be where he was. That Conductor should be Arrested for False Report of an Incident. He's on Public Land. CSX Crews actually offer us water when it's hot and we are Rail Fanning.
+Bill Robinson Most of the crews are friendly - a few are not. ua-cam.com/video/qyL1rZn9FYQ/v-deo.html
"False Report"? No, this conductor shouldn't just be arrested, he should also be FIRED for lying!! JayJr2007 was WELL within his rights to film whatever he wants from public property so long as it doesn't pose a security threat and as this video clearly showed, it wasn't.
i noticed another track that goes off of the side rail, any idea what that track is?
That's the "back track" or maintenance siding where they put equipment so it does not interfere with train meets.
@@JayJr2007 Ah ok, thanks jay!
Been 5 years since this, do you still go there? If so, any more drama?
+Jeff Powell I don't get that way very often any more, but no more issues with that guy .. he transferred to a different sub.
Dude needs to get over it. He might think his conductor job is just any other type of job and heck he probably hates his job being a conductor. That A**hole should understand there are people that would love to work for the railroad and do his type of job. It's not easy getting into the railroad business sometimes whether it's personal reasons or other reasons. So people just railfan which is harmless if done the right way. That conductor obviously has nothing else better to do either than clog up the radio over BS. The guy is out in the public were cars are passing him and seeing him. He is obviously not trying to be secretive and up to no good...
Wow what a weirdo, in California UP just gives you a wave.
I know a lot of train crews are happy to see railfans still these days. It's a different time now I guess though... even a few decades ago there was a more friendly relationship between crews and railfans especially looking at old videos of hundreds to thousands of people meeting certain special trains just to get a look at it. In the 1960s I believe there was a triple header steam excursion train that did a trip from Toronto to Orangeville and there were thousands of people that greeted the train when it arrived in Orangeville and they completely flooded the rail yard. You would never see anything like that now.
Truth is most railroad employees I have met have been friendly. Thanks for dropping by, Jason
Hi. I´m just wondering, that is it illegal to film trains in Canada? I would understand, if one was filming right next to the tracks, because it is dangerous, but clearly you´re like 3-4 meters away from the tracks.
I´m planning to come to Canada this coming summer to film some trains.
But anyway, i would like to say that i love your films. You´re doing a great job!
Greetings from Helsinki, Finland :)
+JuhaVnt Thanks man! Let me know if you are coming & I'll give you whatever spots I know of. Nope not illegal at all as long as you aren't trespassing on railroad property. In Canada you can film virtually anything as long as you do it from a public space. Jason
I film next to the tracks all the time it can't be that dangerous unless your not paying attention.
How do you listen to CP crew radio channel?
They broadcast on public frequencies & you can use a radio scanner ( goo.gl/vXvwfB ) and the frequencies can be found: www.radioreference.com/
Jason
That so called "conductor" needs a serious reality check. That guy's attitude is such that I would venture so far as reporting him to Canadian Pacific's employment centre in Calgary.
Some people can and will be jerks.
Usually, the guy who is worried about cameras and filming is a screw the pooch artist, and he's worried about getting caught!!
+ Bob Beck Without a doubt. I have had a couple of conductors say that. lol
A million years ago at YSU I took an Astronomy class. There was a group of 5 men and women who also took the course. They huddled together in the hallway before the class before the prof came and unlocked the door. The one guy would always give people the evil eye as they walked by. Always with the look. One day I was driving home and there 'evil eye' was in uniform driving a cop car. Okay I says to myself that explains it, he's a cop. Well no. A while later the Youngstown Vindicator ran a front page story how a theft ring was broken and arrests had been made. The arrested pictures were there too. Guess who the ring leader was. Ol' Evil Eye himself.
Seems they'd break into stereo shops and fill up their trunks of their squad cars.
He's probably worried about being caught sleeping, hitting the bottle or taking a drag from a joint.
Rick Saffery yeah the camera is interfering with something he likes to do that's not allowed.
Rick Saffery I wouldn't go that far. Railroads today leave ZERO room for drug and alcohol use while on the job. Surprise, suspicionless drug/alcohol testing is the norm. And the job pays pretty well. Some guys do fall off the wagon, but most won't risk a 100k/yr job just to take a illicit sip or toke. But certainly the guy needs to accept being filmed in todays tech heavy, social media age. It's now the norm.
Looks and sounds like a typical, miserable Canadian railroader.
Ya know what is really actually sad is that we are now given rules such as this to deter this activity...it's part of the ethics and heightened security threats. The conductor in fact did his job sadly enough and he'll get an atta-boy or so be it...
But yea, what a desperately sad state of affairs this world....pretty soon the birds will be posting here about being harassed and having their nests bombed out. I'm done.
Oh and by the way...I work at a NON-UNION railway...in Canada...
Watching trains has now been officially tagged as low as pedophilia...
That poor man and shame on him for watching trains. :(
Some don't like being a star..in actuality there's good people out there who are watching and reporting defects so it's a give and take..I say let em watch..
Roger Diotte Can't count the number of defective crossings I have reported. And given rides to conductors to the back of their train and back up to the head end. It never hurts to help a guy out. Some have flat out refused the ride & would rather walk than have anything to do with me. lol
I think the world has changed for the worse. I miss the caboose and the men who waved to all those excited children who dreamed of being on that caboose going somewhere!!
My feeling is that you are NOT trespassing at all, and the only reason someone might get upset about being photographed is if they aren't very good at their job, or are afraid of being caught on tape doing something wrong. Confident train employees shouldn't have a problem with a railfan. Also, its offensive that this guy things you have nothing better to do. If you are an older guy then you might be retired, how dare he judge you and suggest you have nothing better to do!
Yeah he sure is showing some real contempt for me. lol
Some have made excellent comments below. I am saddened to hear that this particular Canadian railway employee was put out by someone taking an interest in what he did for a living. I hope that guy is in a tiny minority of CP employees. Sad really.
should have yelled your plate numbers to him when he was oozing past you.
Wow! Question, What type of scanner do you have? Also did u report this?
Sheesh, harsh... Im always here on the BNSF subs and tracks listening to the scanners and all I have ever heard was hey, honk at em! or if they see the scanner, even a hi! But never about trespassing... Although, I sort of notice his on alot of videos with CP in em. Guess its not a railfan friendly company... some are friendly, others not so much...
Well someone had a bad day...
That's actually false. Under the Act, it is completely, 100% legal to operate a scanner and to re-broadcast any received audio as long as it isn't relaying private information (which this is clearly not doing). You're also allowed, by law, to broadcast radio streams (like many sites for trains & airplanes, police etc.) as long as they aren't encrypted. And no, this hasn't changed in the last year since your comment was made. Stand up for your rights! Record it, broadcast it, whatever you want!
Sounds like most railroaders... miserable, angry, hates their job, loathes railroading.
CP seems to have more than their fair share. lol
JayJr2007 I'm from Milwaukee Wisconsin, I concur. Lol
Here is a "classic" case of job boredom. The conductor is so bored with his job that he has to take it out on the guy recording the train. Conductor needs to find another line of work or perhaps do something else. How do we know he is bored or unhappy with his job? Good question. Notice when he gets out of the cab and walks to the lock box, walking like a man unhappy with the work or bored. This does not make for same railroading. So for something to do, he calls the dispatcher. Probably to make conversation. Maybe he and the engineer don't get along and he needs to talk to someone. Anyway, the guy is a jerk.
HES"""NOT"""BOTHERING"""YOU""""
This train crew is absolutely on the wrong legal track! In addition, a true railfan is a huge benefit to the railways as he can provide train inspection of the cars and loads going by and call RTC with his cell-phone if an anomaly is detected. This can be critical since we no longer run trains with cabooses. 2018/01/13.
If you're legal, don't sweat it. Just wave hello and keep filming.
Was he reporting you to the CP police, or RTC?
He reports to RTC, they typically contact teh CP police when required.
Thankfully, nothing ever came of it.
Regards, J
Well. if the conductor can't stand being filmed...best not go into law enforcement, or any other public service field. I guess this is in Canada...in the United States, anyone may observer/film passing trains as long as they are not blocking the signals, standing in the road, or trespassing on private land (that is Posted!).
My father says your in safe ZONE,, he is lines an communication boss 4 cp...Your ok were u r sir,,he says keep the good video Rollin,,JUS be safe an stay back like u have been...he says there's a couple idiots in ever bushel basket of apples..we r both saying Be well sir keep up good videos..
What happened to that HLCX???
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I can understand he doesn't want to be videotaped, but he can't report you for trespassing. I'm pretty sure he's abusing his job as a conductor (reporting you to RTC), for his own personal reason. And I like how he sticks his head out the window at 3:44 to try and catch your plate number!
Wow, you were clearly behind the gates.
nice video Jay and great catch of the cp engine and the hlcx engine on the freight train.
I can tell you what that Conductor was P.O.'d about? He is so anal retentive it hurts to sit on his head all the time with it anally injected. The guy filming is clearly on public property. Almost all laws in USA and Canada give railroads 20 ft. either side of the tracks as right-of-way. This guy is at minimum, 20 ft. away from the tracks. Where the conductor screwed up? Was when he came to that call box and phoned in. He exposed his face and now every will know who he is. That was a very ignorant move on his part. Then to openly talk about it on the radio, then the train starts up, ironically at a time when the conductors temper is needlessly heat up, and as the engines go by, you can see that the conductor is throwing his steely eyes out the window at the guy filming, once again exposing his face. And yes, at 5:09 you can hear the conductor call the guy filming, a "M.F.'er." That is call for FCC violations and he should be admonished for saying that on "RR property," if you want to get down to it. The conductor should be ashamed of himself. Did he ever think that may be (beings he called the guy elderly) a retired RR worker and has taken up filming as a hobby???If you want to support the conductor for his ignorance, go ahead. Don't bother me with your ignorance also. The conductor is a world class A #1 TWIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
In my opinion there are two kinds of rail fans. The first kind are the ones who don't trespass, won't foul the mainline ect. The second kind are these so called "foamers" I don't really know a lot about foamers but I've heard nothing but bad things about them.
Also the rail fans who do actual illegal shit on railway property give the rest of us a bad reputation. It sucks but what can you do.
Well, for one, IMO, criticize those who think they represent us all - those people are the ones spreding the fallacy that some doing illegal shit = we're all bad.
What is that guy thinking you have to be on the other side down a bit to be trespassing. My father use to work for a train yard and I know you have to be 200 yard before you are on rail yard. I almost got a fine for being walking down the track. I got stop just before I just enter the yard. Told the guy I was meeting up with my father. This guy is on a power trip.
Either he thinks he is a center of universe or just paranoid thinking it is all about him, watching his every move )))
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. lol
Thanks, J
THAT'S THE GUY!
I recognize that conductor, he has been working T-13 the circle lately Which runs to Lambton yard, he's not a very friendly guy. I knew I recognized him from somewhere.
Geez it's not like you were hurting anyone. Guess they can't understand peoples' love of trains and fascination of them. You weren't hurting him or anyone else. Cited for what? Looks like you were on public property. Good thing you covered your license plate though. He was trying to cause trouble for you. Great vid!
Yeah getting yourself on the CP Police shit list could lead to trouble down the road.
Oh man, that conductor's attitude ruined the video LOL. Talk about being grumpy, wow. I have chatted with several CP rail employees and they've all been nice in answering questions regarding rail work etc... I've even seen CP Police watch me and my dog walk on the rail side road and they left us alone...If a train comes we move well out of the way. Thanks, hope you don't have to put up with that jerk too often.
Are you there every day? Old guy with nothing else to do but film? Well I hope you keep showing up and filming. We should all be so lucky when we retire we can get out and film trains. I think the operator is afraid you will video him doing something wrong? Thanks for the video keep posting.
Can you imagine that guys poor wife having to listen to him winging on
How about the ditch lights not on till he was almost at the road.
That is a cool consist. I was really worried they perhaps forgot to put their ditch lights on when approaching that crossing, but at the last moment they did.
That makes 0 sense. He wasn’t trespassing.
What a lying skunk that guy is. He's probably mad that someone is happy doing what they like since he's miserable in his own life.
Don't know how they can complain if you are filming from a public street. Of course if you are on RR property that might be a different matter. Railfanners SUPPORT RR workers. No reason for the RR workers to be upset with filming. Just my opinion.
Wow jay. You weren't a very popular guy back then. A real rabble rousing scallywag. I was 10 years a switchman from 93 to 04. There were folks filming even back then. They were just using video cameras instead of cell phones. I never really had an issue because I already knew folks have been filming trains long before I was there. My only worry today is that now millions of folks can see these vids now. Including the bosses of the workers in the vids. I always suggest that rail workers be on their best "follow the rules" behavior. Never know who's watching. Also, I worried back then that some guy filming was actually a railroad company official. Still not much I can do about except be on my "best" behavior during filming. But I did have conversations with a few guys. Really nice people. But as long as you are not on railroad property, not much they can do.
I had inadvertently made some enemies when I reported some autoracks that almost rolled over (ua-cam.com/video/ZAI9Qe5yJRQ/v-deo.htmlm23s ) & later found out that it was the engineer's fault for staying in the speed range of harmonic roll. Needless to say, there was a few of them that were very unhappy with me after that. Ooops. lol . The vast majority of crews are friendly & have given rides to several conductors so they didn't have to walk the train. Thanks for watching! Jason
Yeah your "harmonic roll" vid was wild. Now can they be mad at you??? Sure. But that crew is LUCKY those cars didn't rock right off the rail. They would have been disciplined for sure. You alerting them of their condition may have irritated some. But they certainly needed the irritation to remind them of the speed restriction in that siding. That's not something you can just wily nily forget about. Roll a few loaded racks of the rail and that siding will be unceremoniously named after you. I guarantee it. (btw, not sure if you know or not but anytime a part of the railroad is named after you, that means you really eff'd something up bigtime)
This conductor needs to get a new career!
Problem wants to become a trainmaster
How stupid can done people be, scared of getting caught doing something wrong.
Funny, another CP employee said the exact same thing. Thanks, J
It's a sad time in the World today ... "It really is drama". VERY SAD.
Message to the train personnel: "We call this train spotting not tresspassing"
He said he was gonna talk to the guy himself, but of course he didn't. Like most people who call in false complaints they don't have the courage to do anything themselves. They call it in to dispatch and have the police called to do the dirty work this conductor should have done himself.
This Conductor is afraid of his own shadow. He is afraid the Railfans will videotape him doing something wrong. What was the last comment? Citing the train's slight delay because trespassing??????
I wonder if he’s calling it in just to check if he’s not being recorded by railroad officials?
Your outside the main I've seen way closer . The conductor has no brains
And the engineer!!!!!
He couldn’t stop complaining, jeez
He likes trains like the rest of us, trespassing I can't see it. Explain please?
Jesus dude got a problem....my dad worked at Rock Island, CNW and then BN i worked at CC-IC-CN then railnet ....we used to give out hats and key chains
Takes all kinds. Cheers, J
I wouldn't have videotaped him walking along the track. Let him do his job. Other then that, and that's more of an ethical suggestion on my part, I don't see anything wrong. The employee needs to get a grip on things.
By the way what happened? There was a claim that they would do spot checks at that location.
Never heard nothin
@@JayJr2007 Yeah, I think he just wants something to gripe about. And from the camera angle, I don't think you're trespassing.
@@JayJr2007 I also wonder if he knew that you had a scanner with you. He 'claimed' he was going to talk to you then decided not to. As you had a camera rolling, knew that his conversation with you would be taped. The way he handled it, he figured he could make claims about you more easier (i.e. that you were trespassing when you clearly weren't.)
You would not have known about the conversation without the scanner.
@Edward's Videos he has a right to video anything in sight. That includes the conductor who, by the way, shouldn't have lied.
hey man a little late nice video i am a hogger on the via trains in the gta even though I'm 19 i understand where the conductor is coming from filming a train pass is one thing and i honk for you guys all the time but filming him outside the train would bug me too as a railroader we have a lot of freedom so when people are filming us feels like where loosing some of that
Thanks for your comments. J
Having a bunch of guys out there that love trains seems it would be a positive thing.
Actually, he can film or take pictures of whatever he wants. It sounds more like CPR is harassing him, which also has it's legal and criminal implications. This video and the radio recording could completely implicate the railway crew in that they are simply out to get this guy. Being cited and proving it in court are two very different things. If CPR isn't careful, it could find itself in a nice hefty lawsuit of harassment of the public.
Obviously This conductor hates Railfans.
That particular one is a real gem. lol
CP Police in Regina are nice too
Great video. What did the CP Police say?
I'm surprised at this. Looks like you were filming from way back of the barrier line and not next to the tracks. Not friendly of this guy at all including his ignorant comments. Unfortunate. If you were a terrorist scoping out a "plan of action" I wonder if they would do anything at all.
So what if you are there every day? He had no right to insult you and accuse you of trespassing. He flat out lied-you were clearly behind the gate and far enough away from the right of way. I don't know Canadian law, but in the United States that last recording would be evidence of entrapment and you could have sued.
For sure if I was falsely arrested.
The author of the video has a nearly clear case to possibly sue for malicious prosecution. CP Rail Legal Department may want to send a memo out to their workers reminding them the purpose of law enforcement and it's not there to enforce non existent laws and imaginary infractions.
Hi Jay, We started having this problem around Montral,
Time to buy a dozen eggs & leave them to fester in the sun for a week or so ... then go armed. lol
I would have covered my plate once he said that to freak him out XD
So he likes trains.....BIG DEAL!
two things to think about.... 1. According to The Canadian Radiocommunications Act is clear about the legality of recording and rebroadcasting radio communications... it is illegal. 2. As explained to me by CN's railway police agents, The railway right-of-way can extend from 30 to 50 feet on either side of a rail line. Dispite not being inside the crossing gate... you are trespassing.
Great videos, but I would avoid recording the crew's radio communcations...
Sad part is there is nothing he can do in public people can video anyone. U do not have a right to privacy in public.
did he just say 5-10 how tall of you???????????
"The accused laughs at the accuser" we can't tell if you were behind the gate from the first shot but who knows .. you did rant a lot in the descriptions
Sorry nevermind I looked at the vid your right but from his POV it looks like you are trespassing
Ive had issues like this with CN. But ive never had an issue with the GEXR
Should of just mooned the guy on his way past. Show him your SMILE. LMAO
Wow, seems the train crews on the CP Mactier Sub just don't like railfans. We are railfans, not trespassers!!! You were a good distance from the tracks, so you were definitely not trespassing. I cant believe this conductor keeps reporting railfans as a suspicious person or a trespasser, because we are not trespassing. My cousin is a CSX engineer, and he has no issue with railfans.
I think the Mactier sub hardly ever seen a railfan north of the GTA until I showed up; some hold it against me.
And I think the conductor knew you werent trespassing, listen how many times he said "uhhh" over the scanner, probably trying to make up reasons to report you for.
I think if you were on the road there should be no reason why the conductor should be complaining. Great Catch though.
I admit I have been trespassing many times while railfanning and the crew just wave as they go by
Yeah for most RR employees, they could care less unless you are doing something dangerous. However, I will say that it does make train crews nervous as people do end themselves by train regularly. When I realized that, I started giving them more space.
Riiight. My favorite spot in Chattanooga is technically trespassing, but I used to park up there and watch trains roll by and they’d wave and do a horn salute. No problem with me. But recently the city installed a large power pole at the bottom of the hill and cleared out some trees, now you can see who’s parked up there from the road. Last time I was in Chattanooga I parked up there and not ten minutes later did a cop pull up and say he spotted me and asked me to leave. So next time i go I’ll have to hide from the cops but not the crews. Funny how that works sometimes.
I'm going to report a photographer...do doi do do.....
why did the engineer get out
vinny oelkers
to trip the electric switch
There was absolutely NO trespass.. The fact that you could see the VEHICLE side face of the crossing gate is proof that you were on the proper side of the crossing gate. This guy is a liar who is trying to start trouble. Doesnt want you to catch him on his iphone texting his girlfriend or watching a basketball game...
Isnt this the usual story from larger companies, where the individual employees often are pushing stress and frustration downwards ... ?