Have you ever buried your child? Mary buried three and her husband. Lord only knows how one person could cope with that. Hopefully she is at peace now.
For someone in that fragile mental state the loss of her son took a toll on her (and Abraham ) . The Presidents assassination probably pushed her over the edge. It is so sad she experienced so much tragedy .She deserves more respect and sympathy .
Plus it’s pretty clear she had either clinical depression or bipolar disorder. Being a slaveholder is shitty and we shouldn’t forgive or forget that. But her emotional life was rough.
Jacqueline Kennedy did similar. Three months before President Kennedy was assassinated, she gave birth to their son, Patrick, who only lived a few hours. All in all, too much tragedy for one person in such a short time.
Mrs. Lincoln also suffered from severe migraines all her life just like me. No day is ever normal. You worry about vomiting in public, the severe pain and whether or not you can complete your duties for the day. You are afraid to make plans in the future cause you never know if you can show up or not. I have had severe depression since I was 10 because of my headaches and I am sure Mrs. Lincoln, experienced devastating depression along with all her other tragedies. Bless her.
I cannot even imagine going out! The frequency of my migraines has been greatly reduced since I ceased eating any foods containing Soy. What a blessing!
@@livingincaptivityIIIThat's interesting about soy, which I think has some hormonal properties. I only got migraines when I was on The Pill. I still get auras, though.
I've read several books on her. I've always felt so bad for her. She went through so many tragedies in her life without really having any kind of support because it just didn't exist at that time. Losing all the people that she loved, probably having a bipolar disorder. I don't think people today would even be able to go through all that loss without any help and not have a breakdown. I con not imagine watching your husband be shot and killed. Then you lose one of your sons you have left. I can't even imagine making it through that. The books I've read also said that she had a lot of issues in her youth because of having lost her mother. aving so many step siblings and not having a close relationship with her step mother. It seems her whole life was loss.
@@kina18 Agree, and it points to bi-polar too. Not all who are bi-polar shop like that, but my BFF does. We are now in our 50s and she's finally finding fiscal sense, and I admire her so much for it. It's been such a struggle.
Could she have been autistic? Bipolar disorder is a really common misdiagnosis for autistic women, who have a lot of comorbid mental health problems. If she was autistic and had diabetes and eye problems, that could also point to mitochondrial disease.
@@CricketGirrl Possibly. But we don't always have a "lot" of comorbids. However, her story of unhealed trauma etc., depends on how her neurodivergence affected her. We are pretty commonplace, it's just that people don't realise. Maybe her outbursts were meltdowns. Good thinking! Though, it doesn't explain the spending. Excessive spending isn't usually an Aspie trait. Not that it couldn't be, but it aligns with bi-polar more.
Poor love. Trying to maintain one's equilibrium with mental illness and the the losses she suffered would send anyone completely off balance. I find her to be remarkable, especially for her time and circumstances.
As ever, very, very good. Is this going to be the beginning of a series on First Ladies? Many of them were fascinating and strong human beings in their own right, but tended to be constrained by the idea of what a 'good' woman or 'good' First Lady had to be at the time. Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed this, so thank you again
@@ForgottenLives I would love to see one on the amazing Eleanor Roosevelt! She had a huge impact, not just on her husband's presidency but on world events. Though she doesn't qualify as "forgotten", I am sure there is much more to her story than we have ever heard.
thank you so much for telling Mary Todd Lincoln’s story so beautifully and respectfully. i didn’t realize what Mary Lincoln went through. a commentor said she also had migraines. i always thought history was unfair to her, but she must had more strength than anyone has ever thought, to even function at all (and she did finally try to commit suicide). my god, three sons and her life’s mate. so very tragic. 🥀
Lincoln had depression, Mary had Bipolar..can you imagine. Side note my ex husband had a roll in the movie Lincoln..He plays a lot of small roles in Confederate movies..
I always find your videos interesting. Even when you cover people that have been covered many times before by others, you still give us different information and you always use compassion.
Another great job, I was unfamiliar with the details of Mary's mental health commitment. Would love to see a video from you about Dr. Samuel Mudd, who was sent to prison for (unknowingly) treating Wilkes Booth after he shot President Lincoln! His descendants including famous US broadcaster Roger Mudd worked so hard to clear his name posthumously!
Poor Mary! Her mother died when she was young, her stepmother didn’t like her and she found herself attracted to and later married to an initially commitment phobic sweetheart who suffered from fear of abandonment, struggled with the loss of a mother at a young age and with severe poverty. If that wasn’t bad enough she lost 3 out of 4 of her sons to disease, suffered unfair treatment in Washington because she’d been born in the South during the Civil War and had brothers and nephews fighting for the Confederacy plus suffered serious mental and physical trauma from being thrown out of her carriage and hitting her head hard on a nearby rock, and then saw her husband murdered before her eyes. I personally believe that she suffered from serious bipolar disorder. Her symptoms are eerily similar to what I’ve observed in members of my family. The compulsive need to shop sounds so much sounds like a close relative of mine. And then, on top of all of that, she became permanently estranged from her only living child because she’d become a danger to herself and possibly others and he had her committed to a private mental health facility. Lincoln too suffered with severe depression most of his life just as his wife had with her own mental illness. Can you imagine the wonderful lives both of them could’ve lived if the two of them had had access to therapy and medications for their particular mental illnesses? While their boys could’ve still died and Lincoln had still assassinated Mary could’ve handled life much better and have acquired a healthier outlook on life and not have been on such bad terms with her only son Robert who was the only survivor out of four sons. She didn’t deserve to have such a traumatic life. Nobody does.😢
I agree. My grandmother was an educated , upper middle class Southerner born in 1898 who lived to be 102. She was a wonderful person but couldn't deal with the fact that her daughter, my mother, had serious emotional problems. She just didn't see it. My mother shopped compulsively too, and I think she may have been schizophrenic as she would claim I had said nasty things when I hadn't said a word. She also thought people were staring and whispering when they weren't. The attitude, even when therapy and medication were available, was that strong people dealt with their emotional issues on their own, only weak people went to counselors. My grandmother supported this idea and the rest of us suffered. My mother never showed that side of her to her mother, she acted perfectly Normal until she left. My dad was very tall with dark hair and my mother was short with reddish hair, so when they were arguing about her excessive spending ( she even spent my college fund) I thought of Abraham and Mary Lincoln. It was weird, when I was little I wondered if they may have been reincarnated in my parents!
I will always be grateful for President Lincoln's ultimate sacrifice and the sacrifice of his wife so me and my family could be free! Thank you Mr and Mrs President! 🙏🙏🙏
She lost 3 kids, gets separated from her family and then watched her husband get his head blown off in front of her. Then, because her husband became a martyr, she couldn’t really grieve. Is it really any wonder she went nuts?
That was really wonderful of Queen Victoria to reach out like that. It’s known that she backed the confederacy so you’d think she’d have been kinda mad that they lost but empathy and personal experience prevailed in this case
1:33 its so nice to see that kids had a sense of humor back in the day! The lil boy front right with that MASSIVE 'stache!!! Oh Lord that cracks me up, with his little smirk (he knows what he did 😂)! And the kid in the back row middle with that huge azz beard?! So funny and wicked adorable!!! Love it! I love it even more knowing they had to pose like that for several mins without cracking up from the ensuing hilarity 😂❤ 💙❤💜
When the Lincoln movie came out in 2016, American history magazine had an article on them. Apparently, at one point in her and Abraham's marriage, she poured hot tea on him.
As a nearly life long Illinois resident who's family originated in the Kentucky territory, it is most interesting to hear this story from a foreign perspective. Your understanding is far more simplified than our own and I appreciate hearing it although be it more than bit differently put than our own.
Considering the tragedies Ms Mary lived thru, I wouldn't have lived thru it. Shes very loving and supportive of her family and her adult son, Robert. Ms Mary was smart and lovely and she did her best for everyone that was in her life. Thank You Lord for Mr and Mrs Abraham Lincoln ❤
I thought Mary Todd’s participation in séances and other psychic activities contributed to her mental state. Many wealthy people from that time period participated in such paranormal activities and many become paranoid like Mary Tod and Sarah Winchester.
She seems to fit the criteria for Bipolar Type II disorder. Wiki: A type of bipolar disorder characterised by depressive and hypomanic episodes. It involves at least one depressive episode lasting at least two weeks and at least one hypomanic episode lasting at least four days. Depressive symptoms include sadness or hopelessness. Hypomanic symptoms include a persistently elevated or irritable mood. Treatment includes counselling and medication, such as mood stabilisers. I have a family member who suffers with it. And it's not just the person with the illness who suffers. It's also their family members and friends who at times have to join them on their 'journey'.
@@asa9528 I fully understand where you're coming from. It's not an easy illness, but that is exactly what it is, an illness just like Diabetes. I just wish it didn't have the social stigma attached to it. I think the latest figures for someone to develop a mental illness at some stage in their lifetime is 1 in 5 people. I hope you're in a 'good/happy' place now, and you have family and friends who can help you.
@@Nyx773 I'll have to have a look at some of their books. Thanks! My mother had what's now called Bipolar Type I according to DSM 4, 5 or 6 or whatever the latest edition is! When she was diagnosed, it was called 'Manic-Depressive' episode/syndrome, way back in the late 1960s.
@@prudencepineapple9448 You're welcome! A psychiatrist, James S. Brust, has written a couple of essays. One is the 3rd appendix of Jason Emerson's "The Madness of Mary Lincoln". The other is in the anthology "The Mary Lincoln Enigma : Historians on America's Most Controversial First Lady"
I often wonder how those Palestinians will cope. They've been fenced in since 2007 and cant even run. They even have their whole families bombed, amputations without anesthesia, starvation. How do they cope? How do they manage to retain a shred of sanity after all that, and then to be bombed like thats in a trap, running to and fro and no safety anywhere. They say its their religion. Maybe being bombed constantly makes you grow up able to cope better.
Sign in a paper does not free people from slavery it is the people who continue to fight to pressure them to sign the paper to free slavery in their Lawless system which we all know even after it was signed they were not free
To lose a child is pain that never heals. When your married as long as she was, your identity of life, your husband. He dies and no doubt she would have gotten lost. I did…
I read her story She wasn’t crazy the son was not good to Her 😮 And kept Her alone in a place ? But in those times mental problems were not known 😢😅😂I love your videos your voice lovely Thanks young Men❤❤
I love history ♥️ ❤️ 💙. Do you know anything about Isabelle Fortibus/Forz and her daughter who was given in marriage at 10 years old to Edmund crouchback* they both have tombs in Westminster Abbey. There are papers and blogs i guess on google. But I've typed in everway i personally know how, and there's barely a mention of them. They are Truly Forgotten 😒🥺💞💞💞.
@@ForgottenLives i agree, i was hoping you'd have access to more, funnily enough i found her mother isabelle de Fortibus when i was looking for information on Avebury. She done some good things, and there's hardly any information on her either. And yet they seemed like they had such a story to tell. Thank you, for finding the time to reply 😊😃👍💞🐨🇦🇺🐨.
Fascinating bio of the couple. Thank you. Abe has his own mental issues before and after his son’s death. Both weathered many tragedies. I did not know about her purchasing poison, but I think her son’s behavior after putting her in the hospital seems to show it was for him, not because she needed to be locked up. I just don’t trust that she needed it. She may have spent the way she did during the war because she thought she had duty to present well, I think she said that, and her work during the war show she didn’t have a casual attitude, or prima donna attitude about the slaves or the war. So you lived with a, “Jewish family.” you never mentioned Mary’s religion. If that matters what was it? Lol I don’t care, I’m kidding.
My understanding was that the Lincoln marriage was a very tough one for Abraham. He had to put up with a lot, with Mary's mood swings, wartime extravagance, and such.
I'm a Tod from Fife Scotland but as you can see just 1 D less of us although a few relations have had the double D put into our family name by mistake being in the army etc All my family are William & Roberts Alexander's.
You say sqander butbthey had thousands of employees that the first couple had to pay themselves unlike now. She didnt have the heart to fire them all so she kept them employeed and paid til she had no money. This is why she became paranoid because so many were dependent of her money and all wanted more more more. Course anytime a woman shows any stress she is considered crazy but she was never crazy. She was the first lady during THE CIvIL WAR. Stress doesnt even beging to explain it.
Illinoisan here with appreciation for this story. Mary was such a complex woman, wasn’t she? I can’t help but wonder if you posted this on our Pride weekend since rumor had it both Lincolns were gay.
Lincoln literally said he wouldn't get rid of slavery if it didn't influence the states staying united. Look it up, historical fact. So don't you be presenting him like some grand abolitionist.
Lincoln wasn't King he was President of a very divided America and the South was mobilizing before he took office. The uber rich of the world made their wealth on War and Economic chaos they were funding and ajutating well before Lincoln took office. Lincoln had to politically appeal and end Slavery one of two ways with laws and coalitions or Civil War. Nobody with an ounce of historical knowledge believes in Civil War so words of debate need to be used and you cannot debate a neighbor if they just want to kill them. Everyone living then was involved in the debate of Slavery but those who's wealth was made with slaves would be deaf if Lincoln did not speak to them with hope they would not be ruined without slaves. The War made it all or nothing not Lincoln. The forest thing a conquered does is infiltrate with lies, deceit and funds to support both sides. Just like now when young folks demonize Lincoln for what he did do. How many promises have our politicians broken after each and every election these last half a century?
He wanted to “send them all back to Africa” or have completely segregated societies… he wasn’t this hero we were taught about in school. He was a lawyer and political that did crap to support the development of the country and his career…
@@jenniferirwin82 MTL was severely mentally ill, not merely distressed. She had bipolar, narcissism, and monomania since childhood. Then each life tragedy and a TBI drove MTL towards delusions and hallucinations, which became worse as the years went on.
I challenge that view of Mary Todd Lincoln. IF SHE WAS ALIVE TODAY SHE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NORMAL, INTELLIGENT WOMAN WITH HER OWN IDEAS AND OPINIONS. It’s old-fashioned, weak, fearful men who categorize intelligent women as “meddling.”
Trump is not my favorite person either but the way he lives rent free in so many people's minds to where y'all make comments about him unprompted is insane. Get a life.
Have you ever buried your child? Mary buried three and her husband. Lord only knows how one person could cope with that. Hopefully she is at peace now.
For someone in that fragile mental state the loss of her son took a toll on her (and Abraham ) . The Presidents assassination probably pushed her over the edge. It is so sad she experienced so much tragedy .She deserves more respect and sympathy .
On a superficial note, I love how she wore flowers in her hair.
Lady lost 3 sons and a husband to an assassination. I’m not going to blame her for having trouble coping
Plus it’s pretty clear she had either clinical depression or bipolar disorder. Being a slaveholder is shitty and we shouldn’t forgive or forget that. But her emotional life was rough.
Retail therapy.
Absolutely.
Me neither.
Jacqueline Kennedy did similar. Three months before President Kennedy was assassinated, she gave birth to their son, Patrick, who only lived a few hours.
All in all, too much tragedy for one person in such a short time.
Mrs. Lincoln also suffered from severe migraines all her life just like me. No day is ever normal. You worry about vomiting in public, the severe pain and whether or not you can complete your duties for the day. You are afraid to make plans in the future cause you never know if you can show up or not. I have had severe depression since I was 10 because of my headaches and I am sure Mrs. Lincoln, experienced devastating depression along with all her other tragedies. Bless her.
I cannot even imagine going out! The frequency of my migraines has been greatly reduced since I ceased eating any foods containing Soy. What a blessing!
@@livingincaptivityIIIThat's interesting about soy, which I think has some hormonal properties. I only got migraines when I was on The Pill. I still get auras, though.
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Yes, plant based estrogen. You have my sympathy.
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Soy is plant based estrogen. Take care.
President Lincoln also had migraines.
I've read several books on her. I've always felt so bad for her. She went through so many tragedies in her life without really having any kind of support because it just didn't exist at that time. Losing all the people that she loved, probably having a bipolar disorder. I don't think people today would even be able to go through all that loss without any help and not have a breakdown. I con not imagine watching your husband be shot and killed. Then you lose one of your sons you have left. I can't even imagine making it through that. The books I've read also said that she had a lot of issues in her youth because of having lost her mother. aving so many step siblings and not having a close relationship with her step mother. It seems her whole life was loss.
Would explain her shopping addiction. She was trying to fill so many voids.
@@kina18 Agree, and it points to bi-polar too. Not all who are bi-polar shop like that, but my BFF does. We are now in our 50s and she's finally finding fiscal sense, and I admire her so much for it. It's been such a struggle.
Could she have been autistic? Bipolar disorder is a really common misdiagnosis for autistic women, who have a lot of comorbid mental health problems. If she was autistic and had diabetes and eye problems, that could also point to mitochondrial disease.
@@CricketGirrl Possibly. But we don't always have a "lot" of comorbids. However, her story of unhealed trauma etc., depends on how her neurodivergence affected her. We are pretty commonplace, it's just that people don't realise. Maybe her outbursts were meltdowns. Good thinking! Though, it doesn't explain the spending. Excessive spending isn't usually an Aspie trait. Not that it couldn't be, but it aligns with bi-polar more.
@@bunnymad5049 anyone can be a big spender. My husband would probably rather I spent less, and I'm autistic.
Poor love. Trying to maintain one's equilibrium with mental illness and the the losses she suffered would send anyone completely off balance. I find her to be remarkable, especially for her time and circumstances.
As ever, very, very good.
Is this going to be the beginning of a series on First Ladies? Many of them were fascinating and strong human beings in their own right, but tended to be constrained by the idea of what a 'good' woman or 'good' First Lady had to be at the time.
Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed this, so thank you again
Great idea!
I might just have to cover more of them!!
@@ForgottenLives I would love to see one on the amazing Eleanor Roosevelt! She had a huge impact, not just on her husband's presidency but on world events. Though she doesn't qualify as "forgotten", I am sure there is much more to her story than we have ever heard.
thank you so much for telling Mary Todd Lincoln’s story so beautifully and respectfully. i didn’t realize what Mary Lincoln went through. a commentor said she also had migraines. i always thought history was unfair to her, but she must had more strength than anyone has ever thought, to even function at all (and she did finally try to commit suicide). my god, three sons and her life’s mate. so very tragic. 🥀
This Lincoln production was well researched, sharp/clear, insightful and an honest appraisal
Thanks 👊
Lincoln had depression, Mary had Bipolar..can you imagine. Side note my ex husband had a roll in the movie Lincoln..He plays a lot of small roles in Confederate movies..
Thank you for this great history. Always great illustrated tales, and greatly reading
I always find your videos interesting. Even when you cover people that have been covered many times before by others, you still give us different information and you always use compassion.
Another great job, I was unfamiliar with the details of Mary's mental health commitment. Would love to see a video from you about Dr. Samuel Mudd, who was sent to prison for (unknowingly) treating Wilkes Booth after he shot President Lincoln! His descendants including famous US broadcaster Roger Mudd worked so hard to clear his name posthumously!
Losing 3 sons and a husband.... yeah sign me up for the loony bin
Poor Mary! Her mother died when she was young, her stepmother didn’t like her and she found herself attracted to and later married to an initially commitment phobic sweetheart who suffered from fear of abandonment, struggled with the loss of a mother at a young age and with severe poverty. If that wasn’t bad enough she lost 3 out of 4 of her sons to disease, suffered unfair treatment in Washington because she’d been born in the South during the Civil War and had brothers and nephews fighting for the Confederacy plus suffered serious mental and physical trauma from being thrown out of her carriage and hitting her head hard on a nearby rock, and then saw her husband murdered before her eyes. I personally believe that she suffered from serious bipolar disorder. Her symptoms are eerily similar to what I’ve observed in members of my family. The compulsive need to shop sounds so much sounds like a close relative of mine.
And then, on top of all of that, she became permanently estranged from her only living child because she’d become a danger to herself and possibly others and he had her committed to a private mental health facility.
Lincoln too suffered with severe depression most of his life just as his wife had with her own mental illness. Can you imagine the wonderful lives both of them could’ve lived if the two of them had had access to therapy and medications for their particular mental illnesses? While their boys could’ve still died and Lincoln had still assassinated Mary could’ve handled life much better and have acquired a healthier outlook on life and not have been on such bad terms with her only son Robert who was the only survivor out of four sons. She didn’t deserve to have such a traumatic life. Nobody does.😢
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I agree. My grandmother was an educated , upper middle class Southerner born in 1898 who lived to be 102. She was a wonderful person but couldn't deal with the fact that her daughter, my mother, had serious emotional problems. She just didn't see it. My mother shopped compulsively too, and I think she may have been schizophrenic as she would claim I had said nasty things when I hadn't said a word. She also thought people were staring and whispering when they weren't. The attitude, even when therapy and medication were available, was that strong people dealt with their emotional issues on their own, only weak people went to counselors. My grandmother supported this idea and the rest of us suffered. My mother never showed that side of her to her mother, she acted perfectly Normal until she left. My dad was very tall with dark hair and my mother was short with reddish hair, so when they were arguing about her excessive spending ( she even spent my college fund) I thought of Abraham and Mary Lincoln. It was weird, when I was little I wondered if they may have been reincarnated in my parents!
I will always be grateful for President Lincoln's ultimate sacrifice and the sacrifice of his wife so me and my family could be free! Thank you Mr and Mrs President! 🙏🙏🙏
I second that emotion!
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I really appreciate you saying ‘enslaved’ rather than ‘purchased’ or ‘owned’
She lost 3 kids, gets separated from her family and then watched her husband get his head blown off in front of her. Then, because her husband became a martyr, she couldn’t really grieve.
Is it really any wonder she went nuts?
FL, would you ever consider doing a series on first ladies? I think it would be really interesting!
I lost one daughter to COVID, I had a nervous breakdown. I can’t imagine what she went through without proper therapy and a strong support system.
A big hug, stay strong UA-cam neighbor❤️
That was really wonderful of Queen Victoria to reach out like that. It’s known that she backed the confederacy so you’d think she’d have been kinda mad that they lost but empathy and personal experience prevailed in this case
She did?
@@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n I heard somewhere that she might have. Citation needed for that, though
@@ElizabethMcCormick-s2nher official declaration was that she were neutral but money was sent & ships were built for the confederacy
@@RobertaReal7980England needed the cotton produced in the south. Her husband Prince Albert was against slavery.
Victoria sent one quarter of one pound sterling to relieve the Irish famine.
I did read on her as a kid. Poor Mary. She really did go through it after those losses.
1:33 its so nice to see that kids had a sense of humor back in the day! The lil boy front right with that MASSIVE 'stache!!! Oh Lord that cracks me up, with his little smirk (he knows what he did 😂)! And the kid in the back row middle with that huge azz beard?! So funny and wicked adorable!!! Love it! I love it even more knowing they had to pose like that for several mins without cracking up from the ensuing hilarity 😂❤
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Omg thank you for pointing that out 🤣
I’m often just listening to the audio while working, so I’m glad I got to see it.
Thank yo ,love your channel!
Very Nice Video! Good History about Lady,
When the Lincoln movie came out in 2016, American history magazine had an article on them. Apparently, at one point in her and Abraham's marriage, she poured hot tea on him.
With a slice of lemon?
She had a very hard life. She was Bipolar and suffered from diabetes. May God Rest Her Soul……
Really enjoy all your Videos been a fan from the start.... love learning and you are a great teacher
Awesome! Thank you!
As a nearly life long Illinois resident who's family originated in the Kentucky territory, it is most interesting to hear this story from a foreign perspective. Your understanding is far more simplified than our own and I appreciate hearing it although be it more than bit differently put than our own.
Great video thanks for the upload
No problem 👍
Another wonderful upload, thank you 😊
Glad you enjoyed it
Considering the tragedies Ms Mary lived thru, I wouldn't have lived thru it. Shes very loving and supportive of her family and her adult son, Robert.
Ms Mary was smart and lovely and she did her best for everyone that was in her life. Thank You Lord for Mr and Mrs Abraham Lincoln ❤
Great work
Loved it
Thank you :)
I thought Mary Todd’s participation in séances and other psychic activities contributed to her mental state. Many wealthy people from that time period participated in such paranormal activities and many become paranoid like Mary Tod and Sarah Winchester.
She seems to fit the criteria for Bipolar Type II disorder.
Wiki:
A type of bipolar disorder characterised by depressive and hypomanic episodes.
It involves at least one depressive episode lasting at least two weeks and at least one hypomanic episode lasting at least four days.
Depressive symptoms include sadness or hopelessness. Hypomanic symptoms include a persistently elevated or irritable mood.
Treatment includes counselling and medication, such as mood stabilisers.
I have a family member who suffers with it. And it's not just the person with the illness who suffers. It's also their family members and friends who at times have to join them on their 'journey'.
I have bipolar 2 as well. It sucks.
That is the conclusion of many modern historians, including Jason Emerson and Michael Burlingame.
@@asa9528 I fully understand where you're coming from. It's not an easy illness, but that is exactly what it is, an illness just like Diabetes.
I just wish it didn't have the social stigma attached to it. I think the latest figures for someone to develop a mental illness at some stage in their lifetime is 1 in 5 people.
I hope you're in a 'good/happy' place now, and you have family and friends who can help you.
@@Nyx773 I'll have to have a look at some of their books. Thanks! My mother had what's now called Bipolar Type I according to DSM 4, 5 or 6 or whatever the latest edition is! When she was diagnosed, it was called 'Manic-Depressive' episode/syndrome, way back in the late 1960s.
@@prudencepineapple9448 You're welcome! A psychiatrist, James S. Brust, has written a couple of essays. One is the 3rd appendix of Jason Emerson's "The Madness of Mary Lincoln". The other is in the anthology "The Mary Lincoln Enigma : Historians on America's Most Controversial First Lady"
Poor Mary. She had to be a good heart person
She buried 3 sons, and a husband, for crying out loud! How could anyone cope with THAT?!
I often wonder how those Palestinians will cope. They've been fenced in since 2007 and cant even run. They even have their whole families bombed, amputations without anesthesia, starvation. How do they cope? How do they manage to retain a shred of sanity after all that, and then to be bombed like thats in a trap, running to and fro and no safety anywhere. They say its their religion. Maybe being bombed constantly makes you grow up able to cope better.
She buried three children then her husband was shot in the head right next to her. I think that would end anybody up in a hospital
Thank you for tackling the subject
My pleasure!
Sign in a paper does not free people from slavery it is the people who continue to fight to pressure them to sign the paper to free slavery in their Lawless system which we all know even after it was signed they were not free
Anither great video, thanks
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My pleasure!
@terry4137 thank you, I was running out the door to go to work when I heard the video
To lose a child is pain that never heals. When your married as long as she was, your identity of life, your husband. He dies and no doubt she would have gotten lost. I did…
Robert Todd Lincoln was a snob who was ashamed of his father's humble beginnings, but was a happy to be a Nepo Baby using his late father's legacy.
You should visit his Vermont home Hildene it’s honestly beautiful
Yeah, and he also thought it meant he could treat his mother like shit!
@@oooh19 Exactly why he was a Nepo baby... where did the money come from since his mother did not inherit wealth from her slave holding family?
And what are you ? 😂😂😂😂
Yeah, he was a jerk.
I read her story
She wasn’t crazy the son was not good to
Her 😮 And kept
Her alone in a place ? But in those times mental problems were not known 😢😅😂I love your videos your voice lovely
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I love history ♥️ ❤️ 💙. Do you know anything about Isabelle Fortibus/Forz and her daughter who was given in marriage at 10 years old to Edmund crouchback* they both have tombs in Westminster Abbey. There are papers and blogs i guess on google. But I've typed in everway i personally know how, and there's barely a mention of them. They are Truly Forgotten 😒🥺💞💞💞.
Very interesting, sadly from I saw I don't think there's enough for a 10 minute video :/
@@ForgottenLives i agree, i was hoping you'd have access to more, funnily enough i found her mother isabelle de Fortibus when i was looking for information on Avebury. She done some good things, and there's hardly any information on her either. And yet they seemed like they had such a story to tell.
Thank you, for finding the time to reply 😊😃👍💞🐨🇦🇺🐨.
Great video as always! Fascinating to learn things about Lincoln's wife I never knew.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fascinating bio of the couple. Thank you.
Abe has his own mental issues before and after his son’s death. Both weathered many tragedies. I did not know about her purchasing poison, but I think her son’s behavior after putting her in the hospital seems to show it was for him, not because she needed to be locked up. I just don’t trust that she needed it. She may have spent the way she did during the war because she thought she had duty to present well, I think she said that, and her work during the war show she didn’t have a casual attitude, or prima donna attitude about the slaves or the war. So you lived with a, “Jewish family.” you never mentioned Mary’s religion. If that matters what was it? Lol I don’t care, I’m kidding.
Thanks for this enlightening video about Mary Lincoln. I saw the film but I found it difficult to follow. Thanks for this great production FL!
Hey, could we hear about Abraham Lincoln’s stepmom? She was awesome by all historical accounts
I'll check it out!
My understanding was that the Lincoln marriage was a very tough one for Abraham. He had to put up with a lot, with Mary's mood swings, wartime extravagance, and such.
True story:
I dated someone who was a descendent of Mary Todd Lincoln.
the guy was insane .. in bed !!
Very interesting. Give us another..forgotten life! J.
New subscriber. Very interesting. ❤
Welcome aboard!
Very good. Thank you.
Thank you too as usual!
I read that she may have had pernicious anaemia, which could have been the result of her issues.
Well done. A very fair video.
Thank you kindly!
I read her story
She wasn’t crazy the son was not good to
Her 😮 And kept
Her alone in a place ? But in those times mental problems were not known 😢😅😂
I'm a Tod from Fife Scotland but as you can see just 1 D less of us although a few relations have had the double D put into our family name by mistake being in the army etc
All my family are William & Roberts Alexander's.
You say sqander butbthey had thousands of employees that the first couple had to pay themselves unlike now. She didnt have the heart to fire them all so she kept them employeed and paid til she had no money. This is why she became paranoid because so many were dependent of her money and all wanted more more more. Course anytime a woman shows any stress she is considered crazy but she was never crazy. She was the first lady during THE CIvIL WAR. Stress doesnt even beging to explain it.
Thanks!
No problem!
She may have had hormone problems more often than any mental problem. Sounds to me like sometimes a hormone problem causing the dibeats.
Illinoisan here with appreciation for this story. Mary was such a complex woman, wasn’t she?
I can’t help but wonder if you posted this on our Pride weekend since rumor had it both Lincolns were gay.
Thanks for watching! And no, I have been working on it for a while and only just finished it!
That is only rumor that is based upon people not understanding how people lived in the 1800s.
There is zero evidence.
Reparations Now!
Why do all non US born UA-camrs pronounce “Maryland” so weird? 😂
They usually mangles NEWFOUNDLAND too!
I challenge that view and f Mary Todd Lincoln.
IF SHE WAS AKIGE TODAY SHE BE CONSIDERED A NORMAL, INTELLIGENT WOMAN WITH HER OWN IDEAS AND OPINIONS.
Can you make a video on Clara Bow?
I'll look into her!
@@ForgottenLives Thank you
DRUZE Family, Research it!!
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Lincoln literally said he wouldn't get rid of slavery if it didn't influence the states staying united. Look it up, historical fact. So don't you be presenting him like some grand abolitionist.
Thank you! Something so many either doesn’t know or chooses to ignore
Yup, he was no hero 🎉❤
He still DID it and paid the price with his life.
Lincoln wasn't King he was President of a very divided America and the South was mobilizing before he took office. The uber rich of the world made their wealth on War and Economic chaos they were funding and ajutating well before Lincoln took office.
Lincoln had to politically appeal and end Slavery one of two ways with laws and coalitions or Civil War. Nobody with an ounce of historical knowledge believes in Civil War so words of debate need to be used and you cannot debate a neighbor if they just want to kill them.
Everyone living then was involved in the debate of Slavery but those who's wealth was made with slaves would be deaf if Lincoln did not speak to them with hope they would not be ruined without slaves. The War made it all or nothing not Lincoln.
The forest thing a conquered does is infiltrate with lies, deceit and funds to support both sides. Just like now when young folks demonize Lincoln for what he did do. How many promises have our politicians broken after each and every election these last half a century?
He wanted to “send them all back to Africa” or have completely segregated societies… he wasn’t this hero we were taught about in school. He was a lawyer and political that did crap to support the development of the country and his career…
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She was cray cray af!
No she was not. She was mentally distressed because of the loss of her sons and husband. There is a difference.
@@jenniferirwin82 MTL was severely mentally ill, not merely distressed. She had bipolar, narcissism, and monomania since childhood. Then each life tragedy and a TBI drove MTL towards delusions and hallucinations, which became worse as the years went on.
is it okay to talk about Aurora Gagnon? please and thank you.
You should be talking about joe and Jill biden's psychopathic tendencies
I stay away from politics, this is a history channel :)
@@ForgottenLivesThank you.
I challenge that view of Mary Todd Lincoln.
IF SHE WAS ALIVE TODAY SHE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NORMAL, INTELLIGENT WOMAN WITH HER OWN IDEAS AND OPINIONS.
It’s old-fashioned, weak, fearful men who categorize intelligent women as “meddling.”
Those lips! Be still my heart :)
She was a lovely lady.
Why bring up your current politics instead of, oh Idk..learning some history? I know I come here to escape current BS 😢💜
He’s the one creating the content, not you. Make your own channel if you don’t like it.
@@magesalmanac6424 Exactly! So why are YOU attempting to add YOUR 2 cents here? Make your own channel if you don't agree with historical events.
If she would have been married to Trump she would have went insane instantly
Troll harder🤓
This is a history channel not a political one.
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Trump is not my favorite person either but the way he lives rent free in so many people's minds to where y'all make comments about him unprompted is insane. Get a life.
Never inhale Copium, frens. 🐸