Congrats! I've been seeing a lot of those configuration emails go out to pre order holders recently. Looks like Rivian is really pushing to get cars out!
Just got mine last week my wife loves it and built quality looks good. I dint have any major flaws on my delivery which weren’t addressed right away. Ride is pretty comfortable still learning the features and all.
This is great timing. My husband has the Tesla performance model Y and I just configured my Rivian R1S, so I'll probably be getting that around March. We're already having talks on what to do with the Tesla, because we do a lot of road trips and will take my Rivian for that. He loves sports cars, so he might just trade it in for something he can lease and switch out when he wants. But this is a great video! Nice and to the point.
Appreciate it! By the time you get yours, Rivian hopefully will be on the SC network. So road trips for you should be a lot easier when you don't have to deal with EA. That'll be a nice bonus for us since we'll probably eventually drive ours from Norcal to Socal every so often.
We got our R1T in May and outside of it having a headlight system issue after a month (they had it for 3 weeks to figure it out), it has been a dream vehicle. Our SC is Sacramento and we are about 40 miles from it. We live in the Rocklin area and I drive to the bay area once a week and I get to charge for free at work. We cam from a piece of crap Volvo XC40 Recharge and this as been an amazing vehicle. My brother-in-law got his R1T first and then we immediately put down a reservation and picked it up about 6 months later.
Long time follower and glad to see the great content being continued! I think a lot of people don’t stop to think how wild that is…a 7,000+ lb SUV with a 3 second 0-60 time. That’s incredible power. Im in the SJ/Milpitas area, not too many R1s around but I’ve seen a couple from time to time. Wonder if maybe it was you I saw driving? Hah😅
Thanks for the continued support! For sure! It's incredible Rivian was able to make an SUV that heavy move that fast. Sometimes I just feel bad gunning it because I don't want to put all that stress on the motors to move all that weight haha. Interesting you haven't seen that many considering you're in the SJ SC area (that's where we picked ours up). We don't go down that way too often, but maybe haha. I'm starting to see them more and more around here. The other day I saw 2 T's and an S in 1 drive. That was the most I've seen all at once. But glad they are starting to show up and Rivian is pumping them out.
Hi Darrell & greetings from Maine! Glad it’s working well for your family and situation wanting a bigger more squared off body style! Yep I barely ever use the 3’s front trunk. Definitely nice your R1S has a big space and Power Open close too!
Hey David! Thanks! Yes, it's been a great car that's working for us. Not that the Y was bad, it's a great car too. But this one just suites us better with all the hauling we're always doing with those dogs hehe. Yes! Love the push button open/close frunk. Much more convenient for sure!
Awesome! Have you tried getting shop access? You should easily be able to get that with your reservation date if you're close to a service center. That's what I did and we were able to get the car months earlier.
On order for a Max Pack R1T however interest rates and the price is holding me back. I have seen others who ordered earlier that are getting R1T Max Pack for $79,000 and less so I am holding out to see if Rivian lowers the price. I have already purchased a Lightning and then only months later Ford dropped the price by over $10,000 so I am not going to get caught like that again. Will wait for this market to balance out and then pull the trigger however if Rivian offered me the pricing early order holders are getting I would pull the trigger and get it.
Don't want to burst your bubble, but it's highly unlikely Rivian is lowering their prices anytime soon. They can't stay up with the orders they have and RJ has already mentioned they are backordered well into 2024. On top of this, Rivian is a new company. They can't exactly afford to drop their prices when they are already losing money on every car they sell (right now). And they have 2 cars nobody else is selling. Lightning and Cybertruck are a different market of truck, so not exactly comparable. Ford has obviously been around a long time, so they can afford to drop prices like that because Farley wants to try to compete with Tesla. It is basically costing them more money on top of more money to do this, so they are trying to weather the storm with all their ICE sales, something Rivian can't do. So you probably should just bite the bullet now and get a new one, cause prices for new ones aren't going down. Or wait a good while and look to the used market for a max pack R1T when they are readily available.
Lol it’s not hard to see that Rivian has R1T inventory that is sitting. You don’t even need a reservation anymore for an R1T so if they don’t lower prices they will just be holding inventory. They absolutely can lower prices, it’s not the cost of the vehicle that is causing them to not be profitable it’s that they aren’t up to speed with production and once they are up to speed on production there will only be more R1T’s sitting in inventory. I will wait, you can already get a quad motor used with about 4000 miles for $72,000 so if they don’t lower prices I’ll just get a slightly used one. It’s actually to Rivians benefit to lower prices because there are more people that don’t even know they exist then do know so more vehicles on the road creates more sales as people will actually see them and learn that they exist.
@@darinbrazil5496nope , they are still gonna open more service centers and as and when they do they will allot those inventory accordingly example in Canada they haven’t yet opened Toronto or Quebec yet , same with many US cities . Currently you can buy a R1T from inventory only for a certain miles radius from the service center . Also they have shifted the production mainly to R1S to clear the backlog . The max pack just started delivery and the R1T standard LFP has not even started shipping yet . So don’t hold your breath for a price drop . * edited for spelling
Nice review. Very helpful. R1S and Y aren’t exactly apples to apples (Model X would be closer), but that’s not the kind of comparison you were trying to do. It’s a natural step up (price, size, performance) from a Y to the Rivian so it’s interesting and useful to hear your experience. For sure charging infrastructure is a factor to consider, depending on where you live and how far you typically drive.
Thank you! Absolutely true. Too many haters commenting about the whole "you can't compare these two cars", well duh. It was just a placeholder for us (first world problems, I know). I'm really happy Rivian is switching over to NACS. That'll make trips easier if/when we go on them. They are both good cars for different groups of people. I have nothing against the Y, it's a great crossover. We just needed a bigger car to haul all the stuff we haul around all the time.
Yeah, first run cars for any company are never going to be cheap. With time, they will definitely have cheaper, more affordable cars. The R2 series is that solution in a couple years.
@@nukem384 for sure, definitely looking forward to it. Really like the look and build/range on Rivians. Wish they’d just license FSD/EAP from Tesla for self driving instead of trying to make their own reinventing the wheel. Would free up a lot of developer time imo
@@cwal_21 If I were to guess (x2), that Elon will license FSD, I'm sure Rivian would jump on that. RJ has stated they aren't trying to compete with Tesla on the whole FSD level 5 thing. I think he said they were only going for level 3 tops. So hopefully that means not too many of their engineering resources are being used for autonomy.
I really want an R1S, but because it’s so “new” I want to give it another year or two to work out the kinks. I want American made, so it’s come down to either Rivian or Tesla at this point. I’m not in a hurry to purchase as the car I currently drive is in great condition.
The potential for Tesla's FSD is the biggest miss for the Rivian. I have a Cybertruck reserved, but if the price is stupid high I will just buy a Rivian.
Eh, we're a long way from actual FSD. All the shills can pretend like we're close, but we're really not. If it ever works like intended, then yes, it'll be a great feature for Tesla. Elon has implied that he'd sell to other companies. So Rivian I would think would just subscribe to it from Tesla. RJ has stated, or I read somewhere, that they are only shooting for level 3 autonomy anyway. I'm sure you've seen the rumors on pricing, which I'm sure will be at least in the ball park. Supply chain, inflation, etc, Tesla aren't immune too. Even Elon stating they shot themselves in the foot with this car. CT ain't gonna be cheap. I suppose it depends on the variant you want, but we're talking pricing probably close to Rivian pricing.
I agree 100%. If my Tesla Model Y had not been flooded after 2 years of ownership I would still be driving it. I test drove the Model X and the same day drove the R1S. There was no going back, I love the R1S and will not even consider going back to the Tesla at this time. The Tesla was a wonderful car but.......
Nice. Yeah just being in the EV game for a lot of years now, I have some reservations of my own about Tesla even though we still have one. May not go back either if and when the time comes to replace that car.
Noticed you said you’re from the Bay Area. How’s insurance price compare from the Y to Rivian ? How’s the EV range, is it quite accurate compare to Y ? Thanks
Expensive for both lol. More for the Rivian obviously, but it's also a more expensive and bigger car. I don't remember exactly how much the Y was when we had it, but with how stupid the rising costs of insurance have become, I'm not sure you could even compare apples to apples. I think Tesla is well known to inflate their range by pretty much cheating on their EPA estimates. Annoys me so much all the time on our 3. That said, Rivian's is definitely way more accurate assuming you're not buying a max pack. The max pack is basically the same thing as Tesla, cause the range is supposed to be like 100 miles more, but the battery is only like 5 kWh bigger. Range can be even better since you can change drive modes if you have a quad. Pretty nice to switch to conserve mode on a long trip and maximize those miles.
What’s holding us back 4:21…the 2 mi/Kwh vs 4 mi/kWh for Tesla. Essentially would require installing new resized solar panels to accommodate the reduced efficiency after we already claimed the 30% federal tax credit for the first install.
I mean, you're not really comparing apples to apples here. The R1S is a much bigger car, so of course the efficiency isn't going to be as good. It's a trade off for way more space and hauling ability. Also a note, are you aware if you add another system or add additional panels, you can take the 30% off the addition? It's right in the IRS code. Something to think about if the R1S makes sense for you.
Waiting on NACS conversion and the R2. My experience using adapters to use other then Tesla chargers has been 50 %, not that I use them much on my 2022 model y.
Yeah the R2 should be the complete package. They just need to move the charge port so it's easier with the SC network. Hopefully to the driver rear like Tesla.
i couldnt pull the trigger on r1s.. the main reason i need all that extra storage is for road trips but the r1s is a slower road tripper than the Y in most distances.. there is a small niche of distances the r1s is better but both as a daily driver (large efficiency difference) and a long road trip the r1s is inferior to the Y and almost twice the price.. i just couldnt justify it.. would love for someone to change my mind
I also own a model Y and R1s . Love both , the only painful part for Rivian for me so far is the charging outside the house . But next year it will be better I guess 😊
Absolutely. Can't wait until spring when the SC network opens for Rivian. We've driven our 3 down to San Diego multiple times to visit the in laws. I always use the SC station that's literally a mile down the street from their house. Will be nice to do that with the Rivian as well.
@@GoodGameOKC1 you should. It's an awesome car and has way more space than a crossover. If you were to get one, by the time you actually got it, there should be lots of fast charging options, Tesla mainly being available.
How is the cruise control of r1s compared to the basic auto pilot of Tesla? I’m so used to Tesla’s basic auto pilot I don’t want to drive any car doesn’t have something comparable.
It's comparable. Recently Rivian did an update and it's really giving basic AP a run for its money now. There's many mixed reviews now instead of all one sided for basic AP. Just remember Driver+ is only for highways.
Ha! Sorry, but that's not something in my wheel house. You'll have to look at other channels to see reviews on off roading. I can tell you this car does perfect amazingly well off road though.
I will eventually replace my 4runner with a R1S. I replaced my mustang GT with a performance Model Y. My wife has a subaru that I will eventually replace with a Model Y performance. The only thing holding me back is that I'm broke.
@@nukem384Planning to do long overland road trips, with 2 kids definitely will want a big car otherwise I'll be forced to listen to my wife complain over the majority of the trip about how small the car is. I'm definitely keeping the offroad 4runner until I can afford to replace it with the R1S. I very much look forward to merging onto high-ways with an SUV that does 0 - 60 in a shorter time than 7.6 seconds, but god bless the people who made the 4runner, very reliable vehicle.
Ahh here's a good reason about getting a Tesla model Y vs the Rivian R1S is the price 🙈. The R1S cost twice as much as a Tesla model Y performance along with it does not qualify for the federal tax incentives.
It's also like twice as big too. I hear you on that point, but it's also not comparing apples to apples really. They are different sized cars for different buyers. Tesla has been around a lot longer, so they have been able to leverage supply chain deals, etc. Rivian is building literally their first two cars. Of course they are going to be expensive. The S/X wasn't cheap back in the day right? And again, you're also paying more for more car, so it's going to be more expensive anyway.
Interesting. Those 2 vehicles aren't comparable, at all really. How do both of those work into your plan? CT ain't gonna be cheap. If the rumors are any indication, they are going to be on par with Rivian's R1T or maybe even a bit more. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
@@nukem384 totally agree They are definitely not comparable. I just want something larger with more storage and more durable the possible idea of powering your home from the Cybertruck(rumored) along with all the newer features has me very interested. I think a specked out R1S will be similarly priced. 500 mile range is likely not happening but the faster charging seems great.
@@samirshah5411 Ah gotcha. I guess it depends if you need the 3rd row or not. Rivian has already stated the cars are capable of V2H, they just haven't enabled it yet and you need a home charger that supports it. Faster charging on the CT would be awesome, but only relevant if you road trip a lot. I assume you have home charging? So that may not be a huge factor TBH.
I'm not sure comparing the R1S to the model Y is a fair comparison. You can buy 2 Model Y's for the cost of the Rivian. Model X would be a closer comparison to R1S in size and price. Congrats on the R1S though. It looks like an awesome vehicle.
Yeah I wasn't exactly trying to compare the Y to R1S. It was more just our experience since we had a Y while waiting for the R1S. But true, X is closer, but there's no real apples to apples comparison right now until the EV9 comes out or maybe the Lucid Gravity.
I want the R1S, but they won't let me do a test drive because they told me I don't live in Newport Beach or Laguna Beach. Not sure why a test drive is more important to me since a I can't test drive a Cybertruck either. Still waiting for a VIN on my Cyberbeast, but want to cancel for a R1S instead.
@nukem384 no pre-order, but I did get an appointment for a test drive next week using their online form. I think I don't look like someone who can afford a $100k truck so they didn't want to bother taking my info and setup an appointment with me. Still left a bad taste in my mouth, but the R1S offers things where the Cybertruck failed on. I still want to drive it because the R1T had very loud motor whine. I am hoping the R1S is just as stiff has the R1T but without the motor whine. Also, would like to know if the rear window opens or not. Have not seen any videos talking about it. Same with the Hummer EV SUV. That's also on my list for a test dive. Loud motor whine is a deal breaker. Love the silence in a Tesla.
@@Franklinsone I suppose it depends which variant you want to drive? The Bosch motors on the quad do have that whine. Is that what you're referring to? I have a quad and I like it actually haha. You may want to look into a dual motor then because those are in house "Enduro" motors, totally different from the quad. I've never driven one, so I don't know if they also have that type of whine, but you might as well ask while you're there or see if they'll let you test drive one. You mean literally just the glass portion of the window like those old school 4Runner's I think? If that's what you're asking, unfortunately it does not. The entire liftgate only opens.
@nukem384 Thank you! I drove the quad R1T and it was too loud for me. I will ask for the dual motor when I test drive the R1S. Rear window (like 4runner) is not a deal breaker for me. One other thing I would like to experience is their auto pilot. I will use the R1S to commute to work in traffic. Tesla makes it very easy and stress free. Could you make an extended video about it?
@@Franklinsone That'd be a bit hard for me to do at the moment (life). But I'm assuming you've seen my tutorial on Driver+? From what I've read. If you're on a big highway, Driver+ is very comparable to basic AP. A lot of people are saying in some ways, it's actually better because basic AP has been static for so long. So I don't think that should be an issue for you.
Cost man... lol. The Model Y is 50k while the 1RS is 80k. The only thing I don't like the model Y is how firm the ride is even for a LR model not even performance.
They are different cars for people. You're not finding an EV the size of the R1S at $50k. You're not finding any other EV the size of the R1S period right now, until the EV9 comes out. Y is a great car in its own right, if you don't need as much space as the R1S. You also have to remember Tesla and Rivian are in different places in their startup life. The S/X wasn't cheap back 10 years ago was it? Same thing for Rivian now. Any EV startups first cars are going to be expensive. The R2's will be much more comparable to the Y.
It's really going to depend on the R2 series and how well that sells. We will have to see. But crossovers being super popular, and an alternative to Tesla, I think they will still sell a lot.
@@dosthdosth Waited just about 2 years. But they are catching up with the queue, so I believe if you order today, the wait would be about a year, maybe less.
You know, the heat pump thing bothered me a bit until I started talking to others on the forums and have had the car. We think the reason they didn't bother with the heat pump is because 1. that's more cost on top of an expense car. 2. There isn't really a ton of impact because the battery is so big to begin with. So you don't really notice it all that much. I mean yeah, they are a brand new company and SUV's in general aren't cheap, let alone EV SUV's. At this point, you gotta pay to play until there are plenty more of them on the market and there's more competition plus better supply chain deals for Rivian.
You probably should check your math. They are around the same price without FSD. R1S is also a lot bigger and way more capable of off roading, actually, there's no comparison TBH. Let's not forget you can't even put a box or ski rack on top of the X lol. At the end of the day, they are different cars for different crowds.
@@nukem384 I have both cars. R1S is 1/2 as efficient. No one road trips with them unless you’re going to a campsite with RV charging. I got my Model X Plaid for $90K plus $12K for FSD. Fully loaded R1S is $100K+. I use my R1S strictly for in-town use. Nothing special. Software sucks and UI is slow AF. I will be selling my R1S when I get the call for my Cybertruck order.
@@korswe You do you man. Like I said, they are for difference crowds. You also can't defy physics. So of course the R1S isn't going to have the efficiency of the X when it's a much bigger car. I don't understand why everyone brings up that irrelevant point.
@@nukem384 R1S is a 1st-gen product akin to legacy Tesla Model S/X. If I were you, I’d sell it before it loses serious value. Their in-house dual-motor is promising as it is a little more efficient but not as reliable as evidenced by its inferior warranty vs. quad-motor’s warranty. The R1S needs a heat pump and seriously needs to lose some weight. 7,000lb weight is inexcusable. R2 variants look more promising. Heck, I’d buy their delivery van when they are available to retail buyers. Rivian, as of today, is NOT ready for prime time. It is as advanced as my 2017 Tesla Model S. Also, it needs to ask Tesla to license FSD. Then, we’re talking.
@@korswe Hey Tesla fanboy. You make it seem like Tesla is such a superior product. How much longer has Tesla been around? And yet they still continue to have build quality issues? Also, have you checked the warranty Tesla gives you? It’s 4 year limited, not even comprehensive. Lastly, have you checked what your 2017 tesla is worth today? Maybe 30% of the original purchase price on a good day?
Funny how everyone buys cars that don’t have the NACS plug while most superchargers are not magic dock. What do you think Tesla gonna charge you at the supercharger? You have 0 idea.
It's called an adapter? All Rivian owners are getting them for free that have CCS charge ports. I honestly don't care what Tesla is going to charge me for road trips that is very few and far between. The convenience alone is worth whatever small extra cost it is. And it's not going to be that much more than Tesla owners, if anything at all.
I mean, it'll be nice someday. In this fashion, they are making years behind Tesla, so you can't expect all that much at this point. Probably why Rivian is jumping on NACS, so we can use the SC network and have more options once they build their own network.
@@nukem384 I don't like the headlight neither but everything else looks great. I would get one if there's a service center in my area and the cost a little cheaper.
Dimensions and internal storage space of Tesla Model Y is only a little less than Rivian R1S. But a Rivian costs almost $40k more than a Model Y. Rivians have quality issues and leave drivers stranded according to many reports. Rivian is also headed for bankruptcy. Rivian is not eligible for the $7,500 federal BEV credit, but Tesla Model Y qualifies. I can't figure out how Rivian sells any vehicles
The R1S is huge compared to the Y, it doesn't even compare. Where are you even making that up from? That's not even mentioning the frunk which is like 4x times bigger than the Y. Yes, it's more expensive because it's a totally different class of car. It's also a brand new company, so of course they are going to cost more out of the gate. Were the S/X cheap? Yeah right. Actually having both cars, Y was a worse build than the R1S. Y had multiple rattles straight from the factory. Lol, Rivian is not headed for bankruptcy. What are you talking about? Have you even looked at the quarterly earnings reports? They have tons of cash on hand, and every quarter are shrinking their losses due to better efficiency, renegotiating deals with suppliers, etc . RJ has said they are forecasting a net positive quarter in 2024. That's light years ahead of how long it took Tesla to be net positive. Yes, they are expensive cars because they are the first cars the brand is making. You're not comparing apples to apples. The R2 series coming out in a couple years will easily qualify. Also let me remind you that Tesla is probably going to lose half the credit in 2024 due to the battery requirements. Rivian sells cars that Tesla doesn't offer. That's how they sell so many cars. They are also cars everybody wants. We picked up an R1S because the Y wasn't big enough, simple as that. They are also well built, have great tech and are very comparable in that matter to Tesla. So I still don't know what you're talking about. Thanks for the FUD though. Maybe go spread your FUD somewhere else.
The Model Y is a premium mainstream car, about on-par with what you get in something like the latest Honda Accord (maybe less), in terms of interior quality and features, aside from the $12000 FSD option. The Rivian is a whole different class of vehicle. 835 HP with 15.9 inches of ground clearance on an adaptive air suspension, for one thing... much more comparable to a Model X than a Y. No seven seat Model X qualifies for the tax credit either, and Tesla has some of the worst quality control and service in the auto industry so I'm not sure that's exactly a win for Tesla there either. About to lemon law a Model S soon, ask me how I know...
@@nukem384don't answer him. Most people just post whatever they want online based on their point of view,... without doing any research or assignments
perfect timing for this video. I'm in the bay area and just pulled the trigger on my configuration for a R1S to replace my Model Y
Congrats! I've been seeing a lot of those configuration emails go out to pre order holders recently. Looks like Rivian is really pushing to get cars out!
which motor setup did u get? quad?
Just confirmed reservation on an R1S (Model Y LR owner right now), this was precisely the kind of feedback I was looking for. Easy like and follow. 😊
Glad it helped and appreciate it!
Just got mine last week my wife loves it and built quality looks good. I dint have any major flaws on my delivery which weren’t addressed right away. Ride is pretty comfortable still learning the features and all.
Yeah we love the car too. Working great for us.
This is great timing. My husband has the Tesla performance model Y and I just configured my Rivian R1S, so I'll probably be getting that around March. We're already having talks on what to do with the Tesla, because we do a lot of road trips and will take my Rivian for that. He loves sports cars, so he might just trade it in for something he can lease and switch out when he wants. But this is a great video! Nice and to the point.
Appreciate it! By the time you get yours, Rivian hopefully will be on the SC network. So road trips for you should be a lot easier when you don't have to deal with EA. That'll be a nice bonus for us since we'll probably eventually drive ours from Norcal to Socal every so often.
We got our R1T in May and outside of it having a headlight system issue after a month (they had it for 3 weeks to figure it out), it has been a dream vehicle. Our SC is Sacramento and we are about 40 miles from it. We live in the Rocklin area and I drive to the bay area once a week and I get to charge for free at work. We cam from a piece of crap Volvo XC40 Recharge and this as been an amazing vehicle. My brother-in-law got his R1T first and then we immediately put down a reservation and picked it up about 6 months later.
Awesome! I'd love to test out that RAN in Sac. Hope Rivian can push those out so there's more chargers for everyone to use!
Long time follower and glad to see the great content being continued! I think a lot of people don’t stop to think how wild that is…a 7,000+ lb SUV with a 3 second 0-60 time. That’s incredible power. Im in the SJ/Milpitas area, not too many R1s around but I’ve seen a couple from time to time. Wonder if maybe it was you I saw driving? Hah😅
Thanks for the continued support! For sure! It's incredible Rivian was able to make an SUV that heavy move that fast. Sometimes I just feel bad gunning it because I don't want to put all that stress on the motors to move all that weight haha.
Interesting you haven't seen that many considering you're in the SJ SC area (that's where we picked ours up). We don't go down that way too often, but maybe haha. I'm starting to see them more and more around here. The other day I saw 2 T's and an S in 1 drive. That was the most I've seen all at once. But glad they are starting to show up and Rivian is pumping them out.
Hi Darrell & greetings from Maine! Glad it’s working well for your family and situation wanting a bigger more squared off body style! Yep I barely ever use the 3’s front trunk. Definitely nice your R1S has a big space and Power
Open close too!
Hey David! Thanks! Yes, it's been a great car that's working for us. Not that the Y was bad, it's a great car too. But this one just suites us better with all the hauling we're always doing with those dogs hehe.
Yes! Love the push button open/close frunk. Much more convenient for sure!
Ordered R1S in 4/2022. Expected delivery Dec. to Jan. Can't wait!
Awesome! Have you tried getting shop access? You should easily be able to get that with your reservation date if you're close to a service center. That's what I did and we were able to get the car months earlier.
On order for a Max Pack R1T however interest rates and the price is holding me back. I have seen others who ordered earlier that are getting R1T Max Pack for $79,000 and less so I am holding out to see if Rivian lowers the price. I have already purchased a Lightning and then only months later Ford dropped the price by over $10,000 so I am not going to get caught like that again. Will wait for this market to balance out and then pull the trigger however if Rivian offered me the pricing early order holders are getting I would pull the trigger and get it.
Don't want to burst your bubble, but it's highly unlikely Rivian is lowering their prices anytime soon. They can't stay up with the orders they have and RJ has already mentioned they are backordered well into 2024.
On top of this, Rivian is a new company. They can't exactly afford to drop their prices when they are already losing money on every car they sell (right now). And they have 2 cars nobody else is selling. Lightning and Cybertruck are a different market of truck, so not exactly comparable.
Ford has obviously been around a long time, so they can afford to drop prices like that because Farley wants to try to compete with Tesla. It is basically costing them more money on top of more money to do this, so they are trying to weather the storm with all their ICE sales, something Rivian can't do.
So you probably should just bite the bullet now and get a new one, cause prices for new ones aren't going down. Or wait a good while and look to the used market for a max pack R1T when they are readily available.
Lol it’s not hard to see that Rivian has R1T inventory that is sitting. You don’t even need a reservation anymore for an R1T so if they don’t lower prices they will just be holding inventory. They absolutely can lower prices, it’s not the cost of the vehicle that is causing them to not be profitable it’s that they aren’t up to speed with production and once they are up to speed on production there will only be more R1T’s sitting in inventory. I will wait, you can already get a quad motor used with about 4000 miles for $72,000 so if they don’t lower prices I’ll just get a slightly used one. It’s actually to Rivians benefit to lower prices because there are more people that don’t even know they exist then do know so more vehicles on the road creates more sales as people will actually see them and learn that they exist.
@@darinbrazil5496nope , they are still gonna open more service centers and as and when they do they will allot those inventory accordingly example in Canada they haven’t yet opened Toronto or Quebec yet , same with many US cities . Currently you can buy a R1T from inventory only for a certain miles radius from the service center . Also they have shifted the production mainly to R1S to clear the backlog . The max pack just started delivery and the R1T standard LFP has not even started shipping yet . So don’t hold your breath for a price drop .
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@@darinbrazil5496yup theres also many R1S ready in 1-6 weeks
Nice review. Very helpful. R1S and Y aren’t exactly apples to apples (Model X would be closer), but that’s not the kind of comparison you were trying to do. It’s a natural step up (price, size, performance) from a Y to the Rivian so it’s interesting and useful to hear your experience. For sure charging infrastructure is a factor to consider, depending on where you live and how far you typically drive.
Thank you! Absolutely true. Too many haters commenting about the whole "you can't compare these two cars", well duh. It was just a placeholder for us (first world problems, I know).
I'm really happy Rivian is switching over to NACS. That'll make trips easier if/when we go on them.
They are both good cars for different groups of people. I have nothing against the Y, it's a great crossover. We just needed a bigger car to haul all the stuff we haul around all the time.
Price is the only thing holding us back of course, hopefully they’ll become more cost effective in the future
Yeah, first run cars for any company are never going to be cheap. With time, they will definitely have cheaper, more affordable cars. The R2 series is that solution in a couple years.
@@nukem384 for sure, definitely looking forward to it. Really like the look and build/range on Rivians. Wish they’d just license FSD/EAP from Tesla for self driving instead of trying to make their own reinventing the wheel. Would free up a lot of developer time imo
@@cwal_21 If I were to guess (x2), that Elon will license FSD, I'm sure Rivian would jump on that.
RJ has stated they aren't trying to compete with Tesla on the whole FSD level 5 thing. I think he said they were only going for level 3 tops. So hopefully that means not too many of their engineering resources are being used for autonomy.
@@nukem384 nice yeah full on FSD isn’t necessary but I believe autopilot is already licensable, if I’m not mistaken.
Love Rivian. Great brand with awesome looking vehicles and technology.
Thanks! It's been working great for us!
I really want an R1S, but because it’s so “new” I want to give it another year or two to work out the kinks. I want American made, so it’s come down to either Rivian or Tesla at this point. I’m not in a hurry to purchase as the car I currently drive is in great condition.
I hear ya. I think for the most part, most of us R1S owners are happy. I haven't had any issues with the car. It's been very useful for us.
The potential for Tesla's FSD is the biggest miss for the Rivian. I have a Cybertruck reserved, but if the price is stupid high I will just buy a Rivian.
Eh, we're a long way from actual FSD. All the shills can pretend like we're close, but we're really not. If it ever works like intended, then yes, it'll be a great feature for Tesla. Elon has implied that he'd sell to other companies. So Rivian I would think would just subscribe to it from Tesla. RJ has stated, or I read somewhere, that they are only shooting for level 3 autonomy anyway.
I'm sure you've seen the rumors on pricing, which I'm sure will be at least in the ball park. Supply chain, inflation, etc, Tesla aren't immune too. Even Elon stating they shot themselves in the foot with this car. CT ain't gonna be cheap. I suppose it depends on the variant you want, but we're talking pricing probably close to Rivian pricing.
Same thing here
I agree 100%. If my Tesla Model Y had not been flooded after 2 years of ownership I would still be driving it. I test drove the Model X and the same day drove the R1S. There was no going back, I love the R1S and will not even consider going back to the Tesla at this time. The Tesla was a wonderful car but.......
Nice. Yeah just being in the EV game for a lot of years now, I have some reservations of my own about Tesla even though we still have one. May not go back either if and when the time comes to replace that car.
Noticed you said you’re from the Bay Area. How’s insurance price compare from the Y to Rivian ? How’s the EV range, is it quite accurate compare to Y ? Thanks
Expensive for both lol. More for the Rivian obviously, but it's also a more expensive and bigger car. I don't remember exactly how much the Y was when we had it, but with how stupid the rising costs of insurance have become, I'm not sure you could even compare apples to apples.
I think Tesla is well known to inflate their range by pretty much cheating on their EPA estimates. Annoys me so much all the time on our 3. That said, Rivian's is definitely way more accurate assuming you're not buying a max pack. The max pack is basically the same thing as Tesla, cause the range is supposed to be like 100 miles more, but the battery is only like 5 kWh bigger. Range can be even better since you can change drive modes if you have a quad. Pretty nice to switch to conserve mode on a long trip and maximize those miles.
What’s holding us back 4:21…the 2 mi/Kwh vs 4 mi/kWh for Tesla. Essentially would require installing new resized solar panels to accommodate the reduced efficiency after we already claimed the 30% federal tax credit for the first install.
I mean, you're not really comparing apples to apples here. The R1S is a much bigger car, so of course the efficiency isn't going to be as good. It's a trade off for way more space and hauling ability.
Also a note, are you aware if you add another system or add additional panels, you can take the 30% off the addition? It's right in the IRS code. Something to think about if the R1S makes sense for you.
Waiting on NACS conversion and the R2. My experience using adapters to use other then Tesla chargers has been 50 %, not that I use them much on my 2022 model y.
Yeah the R2 should be the complete package. They just need to move the charge port so it's easier with the SC network. Hopefully to the driver rear like Tesla.
No need for a 2nd vehicle now. Wait until end of 2024 and NACS is standard in R1S. Love the style and roomy Third row seats
Sure will make road tripping easier. Although anyone buying now will get a NACS to CCS adapter, so there's no real reason to wait.
Price is holding me back. Would love to get one though!
Yeah, not cheap cars since it's Rivian's first car/s with the R1T. The R2's will be much more palpable for the mass market.
i couldnt pull the trigger on r1s.. the main reason i need all that extra storage is for road trips but the r1s is a slower road tripper than the Y in most distances.. there is a small niche of distances the r1s is better but both as a daily driver (large efficiency difference) and a long road trip the r1s is inferior to the Y and almost twice the price.. i just couldnt justify it.. would love for someone to change my mind
One big difference: Tesla Model Y is available, R1S only with a very long wait.
I waited 2 years to get my R1S….totally worth it.
Aren't there some available in 1-6 weeks on their site?
I also own a model Y and R1s . Love both , the only painful part for Rivian for me so far is the charging outside the house . But next year it will be better I guess 😊
You can't charge in the garage?
@@GoodGameOKC1 I have a charger at home , I meant charging away from my house . Always a long line at the high speed charging station
g917 ah okay, thank you. I've been thinking about getting in line to get a RS1
Absolutely. Can't wait until spring when the SC network opens for Rivian. We've driven our 3 down to San Diego multiple times to visit the in laws. I always use the SC station that's literally a mile down the street from their house. Will be nice to do that with the Rivian as well.
@@GoodGameOKC1 you should. It's an awesome car and has way more space than a crossover. If you were to get one, by the time you actually got it, there should be lots of fast charging options, Tesla mainly being available.
How is the cruise control of r1s compared to the basic auto pilot of Tesla? I’m so used to Tesla’s basic auto pilot I don’t want to drive any car doesn’t have something comparable.
It's comparable. Recently Rivian did an update and it's really giving basic AP a run for its money now. There's many mixed reviews now instead of all one sided for basic AP. Just remember Driver+ is only for highways.
Have you gone off roading yet? Pls make a video review of it. Thanks!
Ha! Sorry, but that's not something in my wheel house. You'll have to look at other channels to see reviews on off roading. I can tell you this car does perfect amazingly well off road though.
I will eventually replace my 4runner with a R1S. I replaced my mustang GT with a performance Model Y. My wife has a subaru that I will eventually replace with a Model Y performance. The only thing holding me back is that I'm broke.
Unfortunately the R1's are Rivian's flagship cars, so they aren't cheap. Maybe an R2 might work if you don't need that much space?
@@nukem384Planning to do long overland road trips, with 2 kids definitely will want a big car otherwise I'll be forced to listen to my wife complain over the majority of the trip about how small the car is. I'm definitely keeping the offroad 4runner until I can afford to replace it with the R1S. I very much look forward to merging onto high-ways with an SUV that does 0 - 60 in a shorter time than 7.6 seconds, but god bless the people who made the 4runner, very reliable vehicle.
@@TheMrmoc7 Gotcha. Yeah you need an R1S lol. Good luck and keep saving!
I would trade my Model YLR for the R1S tomorrow if the price was even close. Not really a fair comparison.
any problems with leaking when raining or anything similar?
Nope. No leaks whatsoever. As it should be really.
About to get an R1S and will likely sell my X plaid in about a year
Congrats!
Ahh here's a good reason about getting a Tesla model Y vs the Rivian R1S is the price 🙈. The R1S cost twice as much as a Tesla model Y performance along with it does not qualify for the federal tax incentives.
It's also like twice as big too. I hear you on that point, but it's also not comparing apples to apples really. They are different sized cars for different buyers. Tesla has been around a lot longer, so they have been able to leverage supply chain deals, etc. Rivian is building literally their first two cars. Of course they are going to be expensive. The S/X wasn't cheap back in the day right? And again, you're also paying more for more car, so it's going to be more expensive anyway.
Have a Y (LR) right now … debating on the R1S vs Cybertruck … waiting to see what the specs are on that before deciding.
Interesting. Those 2 vehicles aren't comparable, at all really. How do both of those work into your plan?
CT ain't gonna be cheap. If the rumors are any indication, they are going to be on par with Rivian's R1T or maybe even a bit more. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
@@nukem384 totally agree They are definitely not comparable. I just want something larger with more storage and more durable the possible idea of powering your home from the Cybertruck(rumored) along with all the newer features has me very interested. I think a specked out R1S will be similarly priced. 500 mile range is likely not happening but the faster charging seems great.
@@samirshah5411 Ah gotcha. I guess it depends if you need the 3rd row or not. Rivian has already stated the cars are capable of V2H, they just haven't enabled it yet and you need a home charger that supports it.
Faster charging on the CT would be awesome, but only relevant if you road trip a lot. I assume you have home charging? So that may not be a huge factor TBH.
@@nukem384 yeah I have the standard Tesla Wall connector at home and sometimes charge at work for free.
I'm not sure comparing the R1S to the model Y is a fair comparison. You can buy 2 Model Y's for the cost of the Rivian. Model X would be a closer comparison to R1S in size and price. Congrats on the R1S though. It looks like an awesome vehicle.
Yeah I wasn't exactly trying to compare the Y to R1S. It was more just our experience since we had a Y while waiting for the R1S. But true, X is closer, but there's no real apples to apples comparison right now until the EV9 comes out or maybe the Lucid Gravity.
It's hard to compare the 2 when 1 car is twice as expensive.
It’s not hard. He did it. Both products are great, but in different ways.
I want the R1S, but they won't let me do a test drive because they told me I don't live in Newport Beach or Laguna Beach. Not sure why a test drive is more important to me since a I can't test drive a Cybertruck either. Still waiting for a VIN on my Cyberbeast, but want to cancel for a R1S instead.
That's kinda weird. Do you have a preorder for an R1S currently? I guess last resort is rent one on Turo for the day?
@nukem384 no pre-order, but I did get an appointment for a test drive next week using their online form. I think I don't look like someone who can afford a $100k truck so they didn't want to bother taking my info and setup an appointment with me. Still left a bad taste in my mouth, but the R1S offers things where the Cybertruck failed on. I still want to drive it because the R1T had very loud motor whine. I am hoping the R1S is just as stiff has the R1T but without the motor whine. Also, would like to know if the rear window opens or not. Have not seen any videos talking about it. Same with the Hummer EV SUV. That's also on my list for a test dive. Loud motor whine is a deal breaker. Love the silence in a Tesla.
@@Franklinsone I suppose it depends which variant you want to drive? The Bosch motors on the quad do have that whine. Is that what you're referring to? I have a quad and I like it actually haha. You may want to look into a dual motor then because those are in house "Enduro" motors, totally different from the quad. I've never driven one, so I don't know if they also have that type of whine, but you might as well ask while you're there or see if they'll let you test drive one.
You mean literally just the glass portion of the window like those old school 4Runner's I think? If that's what you're asking, unfortunately it does not. The entire liftgate only opens.
@nukem384 Thank you! I drove the quad R1T and it was too loud for me. I will ask for the dual motor when I test drive the R1S. Rear window (like 4runner) is not a deal breaker for me. One other thing I would like to experience is their auto pilot. I will use the R1S to commute to work in traffic. Tesla makes it very easy and stress free. Could you make an extended video about it?
@@Franklinsone That'd be a bit hard for me to do at the moment (life). But I'm assuming you've seen my tutorial on Driver+?
From what I've read. If you're on a big highway, Driver+ is very comparable to basic AP. A lot of people are saying in some ways, it's actually better because basic AP has been static for so long. So I don't think that should be an issue for you.
Cost man... lol. The Model Y is 50k while the 1RS is 80k. The only thing I don't like the model Y is how firm the ride is even for a LR model not even performance.
They are different cars for people. You're not finding an EV the size of the R1S at $50k. You're not finding any other EV the size of the R1S period right now, until the EV9 comes out.
Y is a great car in its own right, if you don't need as much space as the R1S. You also have to remember Tesla and Rivian are in different places in their startup life. The S/X wasn't cheap back 10 years ago was it? Same thing for Rivian now. Any EV startups first cars are going to be expensive. The R2's will be much more comparable to the Y.
Thnx 😊
Glad it helped
I am concerned about their sales growth. Its a beautiful vehicle.
It's really going to depend on the R2 series and how well that sells. We will have to see. But crossovers being super popular, and an alternative to Tesla, I think they will still sell a lot.
@@nukem384 how long you were on the list to do the order?
@@dosthdosth Waited just about 2 years. But they are catching up with the queue, so I believe if you order today, the wait would be about a year, maybe less.
@@nukem384 👍
Two things stopping me: lack of heat pump and the price
You know, the heat pump thing bothered me a bit until I started talking to others on the forums and have had the car. We think the reason they didn't bother with the heat pump is because 1. that's more cost on top of an expense car. 2. There isn't really a ton of impact because the battery is so big to begin with. So you don't really notice it all that much.
I mean yeah, they are a brand new company and SUV's in general aren't cheap, let alone EV SUV's. At this point, you gotta pay to play until there are plenty more of them on the market and there's more competition plus better supply chain deals for Rivian.
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Model X Plaid with FSD can be had for the same prices as a Rivian R1S. Let that sink in.
You probably should check your math. They are around the same price without FSD. R1S is also a lot bigger and way more capable of off roading, actually, there's no comparison TBH. Let's not forget you can't even put a box or ski rack on top of the X lol.
At the end of the day, they are different cars for different crowds.
@@nukem384 I have both cars. R1S is 1/2 as efficient. No one road trips with them unless you’re going to a campsite with RV charging. I got my Model X Plaid for $90K plus $12K for FSD. Fully loaded R1S is $100K+. I use my R1S strictly for in-town use. Nothing special. Software sucks and UI is slow AF. I will be selling my R1S when I get the call for my Cybertruck order.
@@korswe You do you man. Like I said, they are for difference crowds.
You also can't defy physics. So of course the R1S isn't going to have the efficiency of the X when it's a much bigger car. I don't understand why everyone brings up that irrelevant point.
@@nukem384 R1S is a 1st-gen product akin to legacy Tesla Model S/X. If I were you, I’d sell it before it loses serious value. Their in-house dual-motor is promising as it is a little more efficient but not as reliable as evidenced by its inferior warranty vs. quad-motor’s warranty. The R1S needs a heat pump and seriously needs to lose some weight. 7,000lb weight is inexcusable. R2 variants look more promising. Heck, I’d buy their delivery van when they are available to retail buyers. Rivian, as of today, is NOT ready for prime time. It is as advanced as my 2017 Tesla Model S. Also, it needs to ask Tesla to license FSD. Then, we’re talking.
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Hey Tesla fanboy. You make it seem like Tesla is such a superior product. How much longer has Tesla been around? And yet they still continue to have build quality issues? Also, have you checked the warranty Tesla gives you? It’s 4 year limited, not even comprehensive. Lastly, have you checked what your 2017 tesla is worth today? Maybe 30% of the original purchase price on a good day?
Hey,Can we Collaborate on Rivian accessories about your UA-cam video?
Funny how everyone buys cars that don’t have the NACS plug while most superchargers are not magic dock. What do you think Tesla gonna charge you at the supercharger? You have 0 idea.
It's called an adapter? All Rivian owners are getting them for free that have CCS charge ports.
I honestly don't care what Tesla is going to charge me for road trips that is very few and far between. The convenience alone is worth whatever small extra cost it is. And it's not going to be that much more than Tesla owners, if anything at all.
What about the expanding RIVIAN charging network?
I mean, it'll be nice someday. In this fashion, they are making years behind Tesla, so you can't expect all that much at this point. Probably why Rivian is jumping on NACS, so we can use the SC network and have more options once they build their own network.
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The headlights are a no no for me. way too ugly.
Subjective topic for sure. I think they look pretty cool and distinctive. But to each their own.
@@nukem384 I don't like the headlight neither but everything else looks great. I would get one if there's a service center in my area and the cost a little cheaper.
@@qkn-xc1qd R2 series hopefully will be for you in a couple years :)
Dimensions and internal storage space of Tesla Model Y is only a little less than Rivian R1S. But a Rivian costs almost $40k more than a Model Y. Rivians have quality issues and leave drivers stranded according to many reports. Rivian is also headed for bankruptcy. Rivian is not eligible for the $7,500 federal BEV credit, but Tesla Model Y qualifies. I can't figure out how Rivian sells any vehicles
The R1S is huge compared to the Y, it doesn't even compare. Where are you even making that up from? That's not even mentioning the frunk which is like 4x times bigger than the Y.
Yes, it's more expensive because it's a totally different class of car. It's also a brand new company, so of course they are going to cost more out of the gate. Were the S/X cheap? Yeah right.
Actually having both cars, Y was a worse build than the R1S. Y had multiple rattles straight from the factory.
Lol, Rivian is not headed for bankruptcy. What are you talking about? Have you even looked at the quarterly earnings reports? They have tons of cash on hand, and every quarter are shrinking their losses due to better efficiency, renegotiating deals with suppliers, etc . RJ has said they are forecasting a net positive quarter in 2024. That's light years ahead of how long it took Tesla to be net positive.
Yes, they are expensive cars because they are the first cars the brand is making. You're not comparing apples to apples. The R2 series coming out in a couple years will easily qualify. Also let me remind you that Tesla is probably going to lose half the credit in 2024 due to the battery requirements.
Rivian sells cars that Tesla doesn't offer. That's how they sell so many cars. They are also cars everybody wants. We picked up an R1S because the Y wasn't big enough, simple as that. They are also well built, have great tech and are very comparable in that matter to Tesla. So I still don't know what you're talking about.
Thanks for the FUD though. Maybe go spread your FUD somewhere else.
The Model Y is a premium mainstream car, about on-par with what you get in something like the latest Honda Accord (maybe less), in terms of interior quality and features, aside from the $12000 FSD option. The Rivian is a whole different class of vehicle. 835 HP with 15.9 inches of ground clearance on an adaptive air suspension, for one thing... much more comparable to a Model X than a Y. No seven seat Model X qualifies for the tax credit either, and Tesla has some of the worst quality control and service in the auto industry so I'm not sure that's exactly a win for Tesla there either. About to lemon law a Model S soon, ask me how I know...
@@nukem384don't answer him. Most people just post whatever they want online based on their point of view,... without doing any research or assignments
@@Chucky096 It was pretty obvious haha
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