I like to imagine Kaido was treated like Thomas from Regular Show. He had to wear a name card that said “Starter Pack” and everyone pranked him for the first week.
This is perfect! Now I want an image where everyone is labeled with high school stereotypes. Whitebeard's the jock, Stussy is the cheerleader, Gloriosa is the goth chick, etc.
Fun fact. Those two kids that tried to bully Kuma after he returned to his Kingdom are the two Crew members we saw in Bonnies crew before the time skip. Kuma probably asked them to look after his daughter before he lost his memories.
It's crazy how Ginny as a child made one of the most consequential decisions in the series by leaking some info. She changed the entire course of history with something that simple. The entire god valley incident, the crumbling of the Rocks crew, Garp and Roger teaming up, Garp getting his reputation, Kuma and Ivankov surviving, Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaido going on to make their own empires. All of it starts with her leaking info to the world.
I like the little touch of Kuma telling Ivankov that he would remember his face for the rest of his life, and Ivankov brought that up during Marineford after he became the PX0.
This chapter made me respect Ivankof so much more. The fact that him and ginny were able to make a plan and have hope in the midst of that hell is astounding. Hats off to them.
HOLY COW I JUST REALIZED THIS. The tournaments are definitely what inspired doflamingo to create the bird cage & star ranking system in dressrosa. His grandparents or other world nobles would probably tell it to him like abedtime stories.
Exactly. While the Colosseum is part of Dressrosa culture for centuries, the game of Doflamingo in the end of the arc is surely inspired by the Tenryuubito game.
its kinda crazy when you think about it. bonney's mom inadverntently caused rocks and the rock pirates downfall all together by doing that. just imagine if she didint do that, were would the story could have went
This chapter is the equivalent of when your favorite shows as a kid had a crossover episode. Everyone just gathering together at one location for an epic showdown. Truly spectacular.
This chapter: Kuma: I'll never forget your face for as long as I live. Ivankov: Nha ha ha! No one ever does! That hit me in the feels, remembering what happened in Marineford between the two.
@@darkusinferno9482 To be fair: "Kumachi" is merely the japanese equivalent for "Teddybear" so I wouldn't see this as foreshadowing. That's like claiming The Edo-like Anime Filler were Wano Foreshadowing.
More than anything the most impactful part of this chapter was Jinny being so happy that her stomach was full finally then crying which Kuma started to cry from feeling peace and joy at last
@@Trocify225 haki develops while in very serious near death Fights, kuma pain bubbles can kill people it Depends on their "will" and will = haki in one-piece, kuma should/could easily be yonko level with that Potential haki level
Big fan of seeing random Kaido and Big Mom moments lol gives the impression that Big Mom really did just steal the azure dragon fruit for her lil bro Kaido, who just wouldn’t stop bitching about her not even being able to use the fruit if she got it. True sibling moment 😂
The armored general zombie couldn't be Wang Zhi because he was still alive during Thriller Bark; he was in charge of Hachinosu until Blackbeard took over during the time skip
good catch so that's probably silver axe and wang zhi is the guy with the claws in the back, (edit) well actually there is a guy on thriller bark that was with captain john and had claws, it was a dude with like mink with wolverine claws
This chapter confirms that Ginny has to be Bonney's mom. Kuma called her a glutton, and Bonney was known as the glutton, so I think it's obvious now. I think we're saving Luffy's mom for a Dragon flashback, guys.
My theory is Luffy isnt dragon's son but was actually adopted and kept secret and Luffy's true dad is Kuma, and Bonney learns this from kuma's memories, learning her and luffy are brother and sister and thus the reason why she seemly cheered up after she saw kuma's memories , cause she learned she still has family left
We saw that the zombies keep some qualities from the original body. most fade away, but some stay. like, zombie sanji wouldn't hit nami or robin until that went away. but he never stopped picking a fight with zoro at every possible chance. (and vice-versa)
@@wertm123 you are right... I said the opposite thing. my point is that the shadow mostly fades into the body personality, except for very strong characteristics.
Kuma to Ivankov: "I'll never forget your face for as long as I live!" this line knowing what happens at marineford between Ivan and Kuma had me tearing up :(
was it even a threat? dose Japanese version read it as a threat? like how luffy says when he want to "send everyone flying" i read it as Shikki saying "ill send everyone to the island via flight with my float ability"
@@psychroniaI’m on the other hand chanting once again, FUCK GARP. Dude sitting around with his feet kicked up knowing the celestial dragons about to play target practice with 10 thousand innocent people
Yeah me too damn. But sadly we knew that the World Goverment/Marine/Celestial Dragons prevailed in this glorious battle royale, or at least that's what the World Goverment said.
most likely he just hid his son in a chest when the battle started to keep him safe and when roger ran off with some loot, he happened to snag the chest with shanks in it
I agree that it is the most likely scenario, but also the least interesting. I suppose I'm banking on Oda's tendency to give characters quarks and eccentricities.@@Abionx
Big Hulking Guy in gold armor can't be Wang Zhi for one good reason : That would mean Wang Zhi died pre-timeskip. And we know for a fact he was still alive since Blackbeard defeated him to take control of Hachinosu, sometime during the timeskip and shortly after the Rocky Port incident.
The use of the word “Rabbits” might lend some credence to the theory about Mihawk being a former God Knight, given his badass one liner he threw at Zoro back in Baratie.
About the shadows... Remember Cindry? Her body reacted against the Will of her shadow and cried. Even though the mind is dead, the body still remembers it
Given that dialogue between Rocks and Roger they must’ve had a close relationship in the past. I can’t wait until Oda deep dives into God Valley. Egghead is easily best arc in OP
its mainly due to her being in the silhouette of the rocks pirates i think when garp was talking about them, so it confuses me why she was in that but then it was gloriosa. also she said garp chased her around the seas 40 years ago also which made people believe it was the connection to her being in that crew, when in actually it seems she just was the captain of the kuja pirates back then is all.
It appers that Kuma fled the scene to another place and was taken out by Saturn. It would be weird if Saturn started to talk to Kuma right in front of Big Mom there, with the Uo Uo no mi right in front of them.
I’m cackling at the idea of Kuma and Saturn having a deep conversation about the equality of men at birth and what it means to be “born correct” While Big Mom is just punching the shit outta Ivonkov in the background not even 20 feet away.
Saturn was definitely fighting & so was the Gods Knights. Which means it was the Rocks Pirates vs everyone. I'm sure the Roger Pirates also clashed with the Gods Knights.
A little food for thought: if the crown jewel of Hachinosu was the azure dragon fruit, then the Rocks pirates would have no reason to keep fighting after Big Mom claimed the fruit. Judging by how things ended up, Big Mom must have had the fruit on her the entire time if she gave it to Kaido after everything went to hell. After Big Mom claims the dragon fruit and kuma eats the paw fruit we still see Rocks advancing and telling Roger to get out of his way. The devil fruits feel like a red herring to keep us hype until Oda does the big reveal. (And we see a gleaming red jewel, this red jewel has Joyboys soul inside of it. Rocks gives up his body and is absorbed by the jewel. The jewel then turns into a baby with a red nose)
Gloriosa being a part of Rock’s crew was a pleasant surprise and with that close up of her face it’s really giving credence to the theory that she is Yamato’s mother.
The crown jewel of hachinosu is never said to be a devil fruit (and I find it hard to believe it was, someone would've eaten it for sure). Garp mentions it as a reason for why the rocks pirates would've been so bold as to launch a direct attack against the celestial dragons, it's more of a foreshadowing line than anything. My wild theory is that it is the giant strawhat, and it was their jewel because it was the hat of the pirate who founded the island, and it used to sit atop the skull, kinda like the straw hat's jolly Roger, that's why it was something they could get without fully invading the island.
I've seen this theory floating around but the sizes don't match up. We originally see this "giant" strawhat when it's visited by IMU and we clearly see while it's larger than the one Luffy has it's not even close to being as big as the Mountain on Hachinosu, if it was then IMU would have been tiny in comparison.
I know ppl are kind of disappointed with us not getting the God Valley fight but it’s a Kuma flashback, plus it would take away Kuma’s flashback bcuz of the hype
I like to believe that the last man from the Rocks crew is Frankys dad given his colour scheme and glasses. He escapes god valley. Has Franky. Leaves him in water 7 and continues his journey as a pirate. I think it was said that Frankys parents were pirates. I might be remembering that wrong though😂
We all knew we weren't gonna get the whole God Valley flashback but damn did it hurt to cut away after it got set up so nicely. EITHER WAY THIS CHAPTER WAS HYPE
Honestly, for the breef time we saw them all together the Rocks pirates seem to have alot of similarities with the Straw Hats. Rocks jumps straight to battle without his crew like Luffy, Shiki and Whitebeard bicker like Zoro and Sanji, Big Mom heads straight for the treasure like Nami, Nyon stays cool and reasonable like Robin etc etc I can totally buy them be like a darker/greyer mirror of the crew. I also love how Ginny is pretty much the one responsible for the God Valley incident. Girl made so much history happen that day.
Its a really good comparison with one key difference being that the crew does not respect Rocks, as opposed to the Strawhats respecting Luffy. I think that key difference is what dooms the Rocks while making the Strawhats the fastest growing crew in the OP world.
I honestly think this crew is nothing at all like Luffy's crew, they can't get along at all or work together in any sort of way and that's why they fall apart so quickly.
@@Baddaby Yes but we've seen an younger big mom with Zeus in her flashback. So either that's retconned, or Oda hid Zeus so we don't focus on how much he must know.
I believe the personalities of the zombies is a mix of both. With the shadow being dominant. Especially when the zombie is first made. So that for the most part the zombies act like their shadows. It takes a body that had an exceptionally strong personality in life for aspects of it to start coming through.
Whitebeard seems perfectly fine with having Stussy sitting on his back which is funny to me. Also Garps reaction to the news and then to Roger was funny, really should have started with the Roger part 😂
People have been connecting Rocks Crew with the Straw Hats now. And how Rocks is similar to Luffy in how they rush in Adventure/battle. It’s interesting to see. I’m totally cool with Rocks just being a adventure loving type guy where the government just made him look bad
I do believe it's explained in Thriller Bark that the zombie has the personality of the shadow AT FIRST, but over time it wears off and becomes the personality of the body. Stronger spirits take long.
The zombies on thriller bark still retain a little bit of their personality from when they were alive. The shadow is still the main thing controlling it, but the body still has habits and muscle memory. Because Ryuma for example was MUCH more serious than Brook and had much greater deference to his sword than you would expect from Brook. Even though he used Brook’s style of thrusting swordplay, Ryuma still had more skills with the blade than Brook himself, which is why Brook couldn’t get his shadow back despite multiple years passing since his shadow was stolen. Call it like a 30/70 split in terms of Original personality to Shadow. It seems only a few of them actually retain memories from when they were alive though. On a side note I’m salty we never got a scene with Zoro at Ryuma’s grave. He killed a magistrate and a bunch of Samurai to get it back and then we don’t even get to see him say goodbye to it.
It's like how there are certain characteristics of the original human that couldn't be removed from the seraphim, even though they should have no personality. Lineage factor stuff?
I'm sure many people will agree with this at the same time many will disagree, strongly, but i'm actually so happy with this chapter, it's perfect. Did i want to see the godvalley incident, of course, but i was so afraid of having 2 stories that we need so much, having to compete for time, and instead of having 2 of the best flashbacks ever, having 1 mix bag flashback with a lot of great things but also undeveloped storylines. Kuma's connection to Godvalley is genius and beautiful, Goda surprises again with such a perfect twist, but thats only a small portion of his story, not the main thing, so i'm glad its not all about that and that we can take our time to finally read his story. I'm already so emotional with what they've shown us so far, i love Kuma so much. Also another small but incredible twist that many people won't mention is, we were interested in the main 4 groups of Godvalley, they're protagonists, Roger's group, Rocks pirates, Garp and the marines, and the Celestial Dragons, but no one thought the slaves, the actual victims of the story were going to be this important, even if the story is not about them, no matter how small they are in that conflict, of course they matter, so much it was actually caused by them! The WG and Celestial Dragons underestimated them so much because of their arrogance and they are still suffering from the consequence of that success, of what little Kuma, Iva and Ginny were able to do. Godvalley is not about them, but 3 kid slaves caused such a massive event that shaped history and is still affecting the fate of the world. I love one piece, even the smallest can have such an impact.
The thing i hate about it is that the mariens are fine with it. Genocide every 3 year and the mariens even help. They are evil. They are the waffen ss of one piece now. Worse even. I mean given that sengoku and mariens told us how bad rocks was the guy could be a saint and be evil because he wanted to stop this.
I think the reason people are mad was because of the amount of breaks we had. The community is used to cliffhangers but it’s extra painful when you anticipate for hype and then oda skips it. Like people would be less mad about this offscreen if it directly proceeded the last chapter but because of the time in between everyone’s expectations are at a fever pitch
@@sargonyami4292 The fact the marines aid and abet the Celestial Dragons is already bad enough, as an organization they never were the good guys, even if some among them are more reasonable. But Rocks is definitely not a good dude, given his intent at God Valley was not to stop the tournament, just take back the fruit.
I kinda sorta wish we could’ve gotten an mini arc seeing the perspective of events from the slave’s perspective. A few days of pirates and marines wailing on each other while these kids sneak around would’ve been great. Especially seeing Kuma save people. Hopefully the anime adds to it
He’s probably the silhouette on the bottom left because we know he was active during the time skip. We see the elephant centaur knight general zombie was part of rocks
My guess to how kuka became king was his healing touch and his wife beating up mean people being a good combo. Like a saint as he lives in a church. Oh I just want to learn more about kuma he's such a complex character Oda has mastery over connecting so many characters together it's insane.
I'm so glad that Kuma had happy years in his life. If Ivankov and Dragon had not come for him...would he still be happy? But I understand why he joined them...he wanted to help people. Such a sad story. And Saturn...he's just pure evil. Nothing in the world can justify what he says... damn racist. I'm always trying to understand...celestial dragons and gorosei in particular. Maybe there is some justification for their actions... maybe there is some... logic. But no....they are just evil racists and nothing more.
The justification for their actions is that they are Nobles that rules the world and can have all the good food, slaves and everything they desire, especially in a world with hunger and pain as one piece. So why would they need another logic to act the way they act?
@@sonofcronos7831 I don't understand how anyone is willing to listen to such evil rulers. How such an organization as the Marines - who present themselves as fighters for order and justice.... without question, obey the orders of such moral monsters as celestial dragons ... it simply does not make sense. Take Garp for example. He is a good guy. And he was on this island... he saw all the fucked up shit that was happening there... didn't he really understand that he was on the wrong side? Doesn't he really understand that celestial dragons are not worthy of his protection?
@@feodaron89 i will show to you that that is completely possible. If we go back to the 16-18 centuries, the period that inspired most of the world of one piece, we can see a random soldier. This soldier is a guard that protects his city in Spain from bandits. He hates bandits that kills and rob people for profit, he is there to fight for justice. Now, the king of Spain calls this soldier and says "hey, go to this land in America and bring back gold and silver". That soldier them goes to America together with other soldiers. He k1lls natives and destroy their villages, and plunders their gold and silver to give to the Spanish. So, a guy that in Europe sees himself as Justice, that hates pirates and bandits, has no problem in becoming a bandit himself when dealing with natives and indigenous people in America. In the world of One Piece, this same logic applies. Marines protects people from allied Nations, but not from non-allied nations. The Tenryuubito plunders non-allied islands with the help of the marines just like in real life Kings plundered other lands. However, they still dont call themselves pirates (even trough they are), but call pirates the ones that robs THEM. Doflaming said in Marineford "the ones at the top is Justice". The same Marines that protects people from pirates, turned into pirates when they almost conquered Wano after the defeat of Kaidou, and when they tried to take Whitebeard island and where stopped by Weevil.
They’re murderers as well lol. And he doesn’t purely hate the buccaneers just because of their race. They clearly have some connection to Nika/Joyboy, and therefore represent a threat to Saturn’s power - at least in his eyes. His “racism” is really just a byproduct of much more evil motivations and machinations, and as usual, it’s a distraction.
@@sonofcronos7831 I understand this perspective. However, this is Garp we are talking about. He does not like the celestial dragons, which is why he did not become an admiral, so that they would not order him directly like other admirals. Garp does not plunder villages on their orders. But he witnessed all the atrocities that took place on this island. For another character, this would be the moment of realization that he is helping the villains. But Garp stayed to work for them...I don’t understand this.
I think the Shadows from thriller bark are heavily skewed to A) How strong willed the shadow being put into the zombie is and B) How strong the zombie the shadow being put in is. If the Zombie from their previous life’s will is significantly stronger than the shadow being put in the old personality survives (Captain John, Ryuma). If the Shadow’s will is stronger, the zombie will act more like the original shadow bearer (Luffy over Oars, the Zoro and Sanji shadows over whatever they took over).
@@magna7446Yeah, I just mean that were finally getting to see more of god valley and a bunch of info about it. I presume we will actually see the battle between Xebec and Roger and Garp soon.
Kaido was probably one of the 500 Kuma sent away flying😂 hence why she claims he disappeared. She must’ve gave him the fruit in hopes to save his life and the gentle kuma sees another injured boy and decides to send him off the island
Remember how Oars had to adjust from the strength of Luffy's shadow? It seems the longer the shadow remains, the more the corpse takes over. Initially the shadow is in charge but little by little based off the strength of the soul and the strength of the corpse.
Sorry to stick the knife in deeper but flashback characters don't have a great track record of living on top of we haven't heard anything about her from anyone present day not Bonney, Vegapunk, Ivankov, Kuma etc so she's probably dead and probably the catalyst for Kuma turning into a cyborg thinking that it would protect Bonney since her mom's not around but there's been occasions where flashback characters live like we all thought Saul was dead af and he's alive and some others
I think Oda wanted to showcase that there is more to it with the shadow and body. Like the model zombie, even though the shadow was from someone, it disobeyed Hogback's orders. So the "rule" is personality comes from the shadow, but body isn't separate from the personality... like the will of people do not die even when they die
Trekking is one of the most humble OP UA-camrs. Dude called out so many predictions in this one and chapters past. And I swear I never hear an I told you so
I am loving Kuma’s backstory, & with this chapter there are several questions in my head like Ivankov had the Azure Dragon fruit what if he ate it then that would make him a Drag-on Queen, what were some of the other Devil Fruits in the boxes, & with the reveal that it was Gloriosa that was part of the Rocks Pirates instead of Shakuyaku how did she become one after leaving Amazon Lily due to love sickness, & who else maybe could have been on this island
It took Oars time to absorb Luffy's personality. Brooks soul was still new to Ryuma so the shadow and body weren't quite merged. Captain John had probably been a zombie for a while, or maybe both personalities were drunks.
The best chapter of this year and one of the best chapter of One Piece ever. Every page has an emotion in it and there is a lot of world building and reveals. I can't wait to see what will happen next
Kong: Garp there are thousands of legendary pirates swarming the location of many of our World Nobles! Garp: I sleep Kong: Roger is there too Garp: REAL SHIT
32:00 Moria's shadow power does work like a mix when animating a corpse, remember Victoria Cindry? Her memories/soul from when she was alive did influence the zombie's actions and stopping it on it's tracks when fighting Chopper.
I'm more excited for the English Dub when the anime comes around to adapt this scene, since both Kaido and Shiki are voiced by well known, Beast Wars voice actors, David Sobolov and Scott McNeil.
Honestly and this is something the Live Action One Piece show has brought up but I hope, at some point before the end of the series, we get more as to why Garp believes the World Government and the Celestial Dragons are the lesser of the evils in the world of One Piece. Because this chapter pretty much shows and probably cements that Garp knows the sort of things the Celestial Dragons get up to. He knows about the whole slave hunt thing and, honestly, probably is almost if not fully in the know of what the Celestial Dragons are like and what they get up to yet, despite all of that awful stuff, he still considers the World Government the best thing for the World and it's honestly just a situation where you have to wonder what happened in Garp's life or what moment happened that made Garp decide that the World Government, for all it's evils and all it's fault, is still good for the world than the world existing without it.
I don't think he'd be so calm if he knew the nature of the event. But you're right. If he DID know, we need to know why he hasn't changed sides. This is ridiculously evil.
@@Yodah97 He didn't. He asked Kong why he would go to God Valley and Kong didn't give him an actual answer (either he didn't know about the Murder Festival or didn't want to tell him the truth) and all Garp knew was that the Celestial Dragons were going on a "Field Trip" which he didn't give a fuck about their safety and basically said that anything that happened to them wasn't something he cared about. He only went when he learned Roger was there. Post God Valley Garp may have learned the truth but while people love to say "Oh he can just revolt" I think he instead wanted to focus on protecting the people of the world from both Pirates and the WG and raise the next generation while staying close to the Marines so he can fight from the inside.
Is just like in real life. Imagine a police officer that hates bandits and k1llers. Them, this officer becames a soldier and goes to a war. He k1lls so that his country can take the recources of another country essencially making this soldier a bandid too. But he dont see himself as a bandit, because he hates criminals in his own country, but is fine when he becames a criminal in another country. Marines in one piece protects people from pirates as long these people are from allied nations of the WG, and they dont care about people from outside. Garp sees himself as a good person for this reason.
That might actually happen. Weevil is in Impel Down, right? And Amazon Lily is nesrby, which means Miss Buckin may have to go there and ask for help. Also, I just realized that would lead to a second jail break, which may free Doflamingo and put him back into the story.
As much as I wanted to see what went down at God Valley, this is a Kuma flashback first and foremost and what really went down at God Valley is for another time. One Piece always had massive conflicts and figures but we often forget about the little guy in the OP world and Kuma's flashback is all about it. Regarding the Rock's Crew, its very exciting to see Rock's crew being fleshed out I also believe the figure that's in the background of the main Rocks panel is Rocks himself.
Realized Kuma (slave) and Doffy (ex Celestial Dragon) walked up together to gorosei meeting before. Both opposite ends of the spectrum in status, were then warlords together at a point in time. Oda is awesome.
About the Kage Kage no Mi: I feel like there is a struggle of power between the shadow and the body. We know you need a certain level power in the shadow to animate a body - because Moria wanted Luffys shadow in particular to animate Oarz. So thats the baseline of what is needed: a shadow that is at least as strong as the body. In this case the personality would be split 50:50. But if the shadow is stronger than the body, the shadows personality takes over like inside Oarz. (99% Luffy / 1% Oarz). But if the body is stronger than the shadow it shifts to the personality of the body (80% Ryuma / 20% Brook).
Oda: Hey everyone Rocks is going to be shown in this chapter. Fans: Really? You're going to show us what Rocks look like? Oda: Well no it's silhouette like before... But he going to have dialogue. Fans: Cool, so we possibly guess on how his personality is based on his dialogue right? Oda: Well actually it's only like one line of dialogue and it's really not that impactful. Fans: ... Oda: ... Surprise!
Hi Tekking! I know it's a little late, but I found a little easter egg that you missed in the chapter. In the panel that shows all of the Rocks pirates, we can also see Streusen, the cook of the Big Mom pirates that ate the cook-cook fruit. he's in the bottom right corner of the panel to the right of Whitebeard. Half of him is covered by a sound effect, but you can barely make out his signature nose and bandana around his neck. The One Piece wiki has a blown up version of the image under his page.
White beard makes a comment that reminds me of how Law acts with Luffy. Makes me wonder if it’s a temporary alliance rather than a crew that’s together a long time.
When all else fails. Rocks ranger's to the rescue, gotta love how everyone just ran off their ships and Rocks in particular flexing those D credentials.
31:20 @Tekking101 I think the way it works is that the personality of the shadow is put on but the physical dependencies and muscle memory belongs to the body. So Captain John had a dependency with alcohol already so the shadow needed to drink and Ryuma used brookes sword technique because that's what the body remembered.
You know a group is dangerous and powerful when Kaido is the "nerd" of the group
I like to imagine Kaido was treated like Thomas from Regular Show. He had to wear a name card that said “Starter Pack” and everyone pranked him for the first week.
Tbf, he was like *21, my b, and a weird kid
Yeah, but to be fair he's just a kid while Big Mom is in her early 20's and Whitebeard is in his Chad glorious 30's
@@abeldnite big mom is a flat 30 in the flashback
This is perfect! Now I want an image where everyone is labeled with high school stereotypes. Whitebeard's the jock, Stussy is the cheerleader, Gloriosa is the goth chick, etc.
Fun fact. Those two kids that tried to bully Kuma after he returned to his Kingdom are the two Crew members we saw in Bonnies crew before the time skip. Kuma probably asked them to look after his daughter before he lost his memories.
there real homies
You know what... that's fucking amazing
Awesome 👍
YOOOO that's...sad 😢
Is that true?!
It's crazy how Ginny as a child made one of the most consequential decisions in the series by leaking some info. She changed the entire course of history with something that simple. The entire god valley incident, the crumbling of the Rocks crew, Garp and Roger teaming up, Garp getting his reputation, Kuma and Ivankov surviving, Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaido going on to make their own empires. All of it starts with her leaking info to the world.
these snails, keep changing the world at ever turn the real god of one piece
Certainly something I hope she bragged about a bit to people. Like "Hey did you know I accidentally started a massive war once"
@@reves3333 Reminds me of the Zero Escape series. "There are moments when a single snail can make a world go extinct."
Somehow, I didn't pick up that her info leak was what drew in all the pirates. That's crazy!
I had to reread the chapter just to get that
I like the little touch of Kuma telling Ivankov that he would remember his face for the rest of his life, and Ivankov brought that up during Marineford after he became the PX0.
YES!
And he didn't remember.
This chapter made me respect Ivankof so much more. The fact that him and ginny were able to make a plan and have hope in the midst of that hell is astounding. Hats off to them.
Never lose hope comrade.
yeah, plus at the young age they were is even crazier
Emporio should have the strongest Haki
@@amitkenan3878maybe Ivankov was named after JoJo part 6 emporio?
I believe it's the big brother I must protect my sister energy
Hell ya!
HOLY COW I JUST REALIZED THIS. The tournaments are definitely what inspired doflamingo to create the bird cage & star ranking system in dressrosa. His grandparents or other world nobles would probably tell it to him like abedtime stories.
These celestial dragons ain’t shit.
Exactly. While the Colosseum is part of Dressrosa culture for centuries, the game of Doflamingo in the end of the arc is surely inspired by the Tenryuubito game.
Hot damn I love one piece
….shit, I swear oda is an evil genius
Given how naive his parents were it would make sense
Shout out to the lurking legend who was responsible for the entire God Valley Incident… GINNY D GLUTTON!!!
its kinda crazy when you think about it.
bonney's mom inadverntently caused rocks and the rock pirates downfall all together by doing that.
just imagine if she didint do that, were would the story could have went
@@Abionxthe strawhats would most certainly be dead at sabaody for starters. At the very least some of them would be.
I can't believe we were robbed of a HEE HAW Boro Winking Okama Dragon.
Truly, this is the worst timeline.
Azure Drag-on
@@cameroncarpenter7595I see what u did there
@@cameroncarpenter7595 🤣
The world of fiction was just not ready for that level of fabulousness
@@cameroncarpenter7595im so sorry but im so NOT sorry...
Drag-on deez nuts on your face
This chapter is the equivalent of when your favorite shows as a kid had a crossover episode. Everyone just gathering together at one location for an epic showdown. Truly spectacular.
Lol I felt that
This chapter:
Kuma: I'll never forget your face for as long as I live.
Ivankov: Nha ha ha! No one ever does!
That hit me in the feels, remembering what happened in Marineford between the two.
Why did you have to figure that out that’s so sad
Also thriller bark foreshadowed part of this. Kumashi/kumacy... kumachi. Gotten back by a girl with pink hair. Jeez oda has some elephant type memory.
@@darkusinferno9482 To be fair: "Kumachi" is merely the japanese equivalent for "Teddybear" so I wouldn't see this as foreshadowing.
That's like claiming The Edo-like Anime Filler were Wano Foreshadowing.
More than anything the most impactful part of this chapter was Jinny being so happy that her stomach was full finally then crying which Kuma started to cry from feeling peace and joy at last
But we all know it’s not gonna last
So true
I started to cry man its so bittersweet knowing whats gonna happen.
A theory about the one piece I have is, it’s about ending world hunger.
@@Jack-ol1io Sad, but true
It is insane to see that Moria had so many of Rocks crew as zombies besides just John. The claw guy, the big guy with a beard, the four armed guy.
I only see captain John and the big elephant centaur zombie as rocks pirates.
Interesting if Moria was part of a crazy crew back then
@@Redaku418somebody on reddit said that maybe thriller bark is godvalley, and that is why there so many famous zombies that moira was able to make
@@omargomez5712 Oh shit that would be insane if true. They are both from the West Blue...
There is 2 at most which are john and maybe the armored guy
I wouldn't be surprised if Kuma takes all that pain on himself instead of letting pain bubbles just float around
He should have one of the strongest haki in the verse
@@membersonly807the long lost pain haki
@@Trocify225 haki develops while in very serious near death Fights, kuma pain bubbles can kill people it Depends on their "will" and will = haki in one-piece, kuma should/could easily be yonko level with that Potential haki level
Big fan of seeing random Kaido and Big Mom moments lol gives the impression that Big Mom really did just steal the azure dragon fruit for her lil bro Kaido, who just wouldn’t stop bitching about her not even being able to use the fruit if she got it. True sibling moment 😂
This chapter actually made me cry, Kuma is such a gentle person like Sabo said. I hope he can get his memories back.
Yeah he's dead after this arc
Maybe one of his robots or a clone.
The armored general zombie couldn't be Wang Zhi because he was still alive during Thriller Bark; he was in charge of Hachinosu until Blackbeard took over during the time skip
Good catch man.
Wasn't whitebeard in charge of hachinosu?
@@yoshidaharrow1872 No, he was in charge of Sphinx Island and Fishman Island; I don't think we know of any others
good catch so that's probably silver axe and wang zhi is the guy with the claws in the back, (edit) well actually there is a guy on thriller bark that was with captain john and had claws, it was a dude with like mink with wolverine claws
@@capitalwenisberry2052 the island where brownbeard went
This chapter confirms that Ginny has to be Bonney's mom. Kuma called her a glutton, and Bonney was known as the glutton, so I think it's obvious now. I think we're saving Luffy's mom for a Dragon flashback, guys.
...or Ginny died and Bonney is her clone...👀
But she said she'll act as a big sister for kuma..
I don't remember kuma's home town called alamaba.
@@ChinnuSpedtsundere activity bro, she was just saying that to be with kuma change my mind
As it should be like i get op is a mystery but man op community has the worse theories
My theory is Luffy isnt dragon's son but was actually adopted and kept secret and Luffy's true dad is Kuma, and Bonney learns this from kuma's memories, learning her and luffy are brother and sister and thus the reason why she seemly cheered up after she saw kuma's memories , cause she learned she still has family left
My headcanon is that the shadow that got into Captain John's body simply inherited the alcoholism because the body even as a zombie still craved it.
We saw that the zombies keep some qualities from the original body.
most fade away, but some stay.
like, zombie sanji wouldn't hit nami or robin until that went away. but he never stopped picking a fight with zoro at every possible chance. (and vice-versa)
I didn't know who that was and wanted to. Thanks. Nice to see Captain John in the flesh.
@@alicepbg2042That wasn't their bodies but their shadows influencing him. Sanji's zombie did not act like a penguin-dog did he?
@@wertm123 you are right... I said the opposite thing.
my point is that the shadow mostly fades into the body personality, except for very strong characteristics.
I understood it as zombie having parts of boths personality but some are just more dominant
Kuma to Ivankov: "I'll never forget your face for as long as I live!" this line knowing what happens at marineford between Ivan and Kuma had me tearing up :(
Also shiki literally said he was going to float his crewmates as a threat. So yes he did already have his float float fruit.
was it even a threat? dose Japanese version read it as a threat? like how luffy says when he want to "send everyone flying"
i read it as Shikki saying "ill send everyone to the island via flight with my float ability"
I was totally cheering for the Rocks Pirates during this chapter
Not me dancing around, chanting "fuck dem Celestial Dragons".
Couldn't be me.
I know right....escaping would be the only option....but if i know im dead ...im going to try and take one of them with me
Allmost all Mariens are evil now... they are cool with a genocide every 3 years.
@@psychroniaI’m on the other hand chanting once again, FUCK GARP. Dude sitting around with his feet kicked up knowing the celestial dragons about to play target practice with 10 thousand innocent people
Yeah me too damn. But sadly we knew that the World Goverment/Marine/Celestial Dragons prevailed in this glorious battle royale, or at least that's what the World Goverment said.
No wonder WB was so chill walking into Marineford war, dude had done this all his life.
I wonder if Garling was so confident he would win that he offered his son as a prize, and that is why Shanks was in the chest.
What a nutcase
most likely he just hid his son in a chest when the battle started to keep him safe and when roger ran off with some loot, he happened to snag the chest with shanks in it
I agree that it is the most likely scenario, but also the least interesting. I suppose I'm banking on Oda's tendency to give characters quarks and eccentricities.@@Abionx
When did dhanks confirmed to be garlinf son?
It is just the current accepted theory.@@eavyeavy2864
Big Hulking Guy in gold armor can't be Wang Zhi for one good reason : That would mean Wang Zhi died pre-timeskip.
And we know for a fact he was still alive since Blackbeard defeated him to take control of Hachinosu, sometime during the timeskip and shortly after the Rocky Port incident.
Oh my gosh, you're so right... How did I never realize that
The use of the word “Rabbits” might lend some credence to the theory about Mihawk being a former God Knight, given his badass one liner he threw at Zoro back in Baratie.
Bro how do you even think shit up like that? Props to you
Mihawk definitely isn't a Holy Knight.
About the shadows... Remember Cindry? Her body reacted against the Will of her shadow and cried.
Even though the mind is dead, the body still remembers it
Just like suguru geto 😢
Given that dialogue between Rocks and Roger they must’ve had a close relationship in the past. I can’t wait until Oda deep dives into God Valley. Egghead is easily best arc in OP
I'd love it if they had an alliance at one point
I’m starting to believe rocks isn’t this big bad guy🤷🏾♂️
@thevipivo6200 Rocks was definitely a ruthless pirate but he was known to target the WG directly
@@thevipivo6200 yeah no he was definitely a big bad
@@thevipivo6200 dude literally wanted to rule the world 💀
Everyone thought shakky was a rocks pirate turns out it was gloriosa
its mainly due to her being in the silhouette of the rocks pirates i think when garp was talking about them, so it confuses me why she was in that but then it was gloriosa.
also she said garp chased her around the seas 40 years ago also which made people believe it was the connection to her being in that crew, when in actually it seems she just was the captain of the kuja pirates back then is all.
My only question is “how did saturn didnt notice big mom?” They didnt even talk or saw each other when iva and kuma was in the same place..
It appers that Kuma fled the scene to another place and was taken out by Saturn. It would be weird if Saturn started to talk to Kuma right in front of Big Mom there, with the Uo Uo no mi right in front of them.
I’m cackling at the idea of Kuma and Saturn having a deep conversation about the equality of men at birth and what it means to be “born correct”
While Big Mom is just punching the shit outta Ivonkov in the background not even 20 feet away.
Saturn is about to defeat bm
Remember the flashback ended abruptly, we yet to see it all unravel.
Saturn was definitely fighting & so was the Gods Knights. Which means it was the Rocks Pirates vs everyone. I'm sure the Roger Pirates also clashed with the Gods Knights.
A little food for thought: if the crown jewel of Hachinosu was the azure dragon fruit, then the Rocks pirates would have no reason to keep fighting after Big Mom claimed the fruit. Judging by how things ended up, Big Mom must have had the fruit on her the entire time if she gave it to Kaido after everything went to hell. After Big Mom claims the dragon fruit and kuma eats the paw fruit we still see Rocks advancing and telling Roger to get out of his way. The devil fruits feel like a red herring to keep us hype until Oda does the big reveal. (And we see a gleaming red jewel, this red jewel has Joyboys soul inside of it. Rocks gives up his body and is absorbed by the jewel. The jewel then turns into a baby with a red nose)
Big Mom did state the fruit belonged to Rocks
Gloriosa being a part of Rock’s crew was a pleasant surprise and with that close up of her face it’s really giving credence to the theory that she is Yamato’s mother.
That's just Oda drawing all females alike
@@Baddaby Perhaps, but you can’t 100% say it’s not a possibility until proven otherwise.
Lol what if nami actually vivi's sister
@@ronniefazzio6979 well okay then lol
if you want to go down that path then there's no 100% possibility that one of the Chihuahuas is not Luffy's mom
@@BaddabyYeah, Big Mom and Alvida before she slimmed down looked exactly the same.
Wang Zhi couldn't have been one of moria's zombies because he was said to have been the previous ruler of hachinosu before blackbeard took over
Rocks is literally 5 inches off screen, you’re teasing us oda
The crown jewel of hachinosu is never said to be a devil fruit (and I find it hard to believe it was, someone would've eaten it for sure).
Garp mentions it as a reason for why the rocks pirates would've been so bold as to launch a direct attack against the celestial dragons, it's more of a foreshadowing line than anything.
My wild theory is that it is the giant strawhat, and it was their jewel because it was the hat of the pirate who founded the island, and it used to sit atop the skull, kinda like the straw hat's jolly Roger, that's why it was something they could get without fully invading the island.
I'll put money on that theory
The egg on Roger's ship maybe? Or is that just a weird decoration
yep this makes sense becasue if you look at the skull 11:21 the top part is colored diffrent!
Excellent theory.
I've seen this theory floating around but the sizes don't match up. We originally see this "giant" strawhat when it's visited by IMU and we clearly see while it's larger than the one Luffy has it's not even close to being as big as the Mountain on Hachinosu, if it was then IMU would have been tiny in comparison.
My favorite part of the God Valley Incident was when Rocks D. Xebec said, “IT’S ROCKSIN’ TIME,” and then rocksed all over those guys.
Funny to me that Iva and Kuma couldn’t tell which fruit was which. One looks like a paw print and the other had scales and horns
yeah, it would've made more sense if they didn't know exactly what fruits they were going to be from the start
they are literally children
@@McBehrerChildren with a whole thought-out escape plan and den den mushi hacking abilities
@@wertm123to be fair it was Ginny who was the brains not them lol
I don't think any of them ever seen what Dragon and Cat look like
I know ppl are kind of disappointed with us not getting the God Valley fight but it’s a Kuma flashback, plus it would take away Kuma’s flashback bcuz of the hype
We will see the incident but from someone’s else POV. Someone who was present during the fight
@@Josh.Pointer probably Garp or one of the Gorosei
What if there will be a movie it?
It was pretty obvious we wouldn’t get the entire GOD valley flashback
how long must we wait damn it@@Josh.Pointer
Everybody kinda does get the love sickness for Whitebeard
Can you blame them?
Its because his is huge
It's rizzbeard
I mean, look at that hair
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL
I like to believe that the last man from the Rocks crew is Frankys dad given his colour scheme and glasses. He escapes god valley. Has Franky. Leaves him in water 7 and continues his journey as a pirate. I think it was said that Frankys parents were pirates. I might be remembering that wrong though😂
We all knew we weren't gonna get the whole God Valley flashback but damn did it hurt to cut away after it got set up so nicely. EITHER WAY THIS CHAPTER WAS HYPE
Honestly, for the breef time we saw them all together the Rocks pirates seem to have alot of similarities with the Straw Hats.
Rocks jumps straight to battle without his crew like Luffy, Shiki and Whitebeard bicker like Zoro and Sanji, Big Mom heads straight for the treasure like Nami, Nyon stays cool and reasonable like Robin etc etc I can totally buy them be like a darker/greyer mirror of the crew.
I also love how Ginny is pretty much the one responsible for the God Valley incident. Girl made so much history happen that day.
Its a really good comparison with one key difference being that the crew does not respect Rocks, as opposed to the Strawhats respecting Luffy. I think that key difference is what dooms the Rocks while making the Strawhats the fastest growing crew in the OP world.
I honestly think this crew is nothing at all like Luffy's crew, they can't get along at all or work together in any sort of way and that's why they fall apart so quickly.
Actually, Roger, Rocks and Garp all share Luffy’s enthusiasm. It’s the D Clan Gene
the true lurking legend of one piece
@@smittyjjensin558I wonder why they even work with him the first place then? Was he a Blackbeard of his time or something.
Zeus is a deep well of information actually. He presumably remembers God Valley. And huge parts of Big Mom's life as an Emperor.
He's not pictured in the flashback though
She could've created him later
God damn, never thought about that
@@Baddaby Yes but we've seen an younger big mom with Zeus in her flashback. So either that's retconned, or Oda hid Zeus so we don't focus on how much he must know.
someone go get that cloud we need to know damn it @@Baddaby
@@Yodah97 she most likely had him scouting from the sky to find the fruit which is why she was able to find it so quickly before ivankov ate it
I like the fact that both Kong and Garp are like ‘who cares about Rocks, we can deal with them’ but shits themselves over Roger
Nah rocks was the most infamous pirate
I believe the personalities of the zombies is a mix of both. With the shadow being dominant. Especially when the zombie is first made. So that for the most part the zombies act like their shadows. It takes a body that had an exceptionally strong personality in life for aspects of it to start coming through.
I like the idea of Garp being Roger's biggest fan while also being his rival. Garp couldn't give two shits about a fight, that is until Roger arrives.
Whitebeard seems perfectly fine with having Stussy sitting on his back which is funny to me. Also Garps reaction to the news and then to Roger was funny, really should have started with the Roger part 😂
Weevil being Whitebeard's actual son, looking a bit more likely now.
They're lovers
@@smittyjjensin558 theres no way my man would have a son and not be a part of his life. his entire dream was to have a family.
@@Baddaby where was that stated other then by Stussy? What is your source on it
@@thatonesaiyan6309 honestly agree
The two kids Kuma heals are later in Bonie's crew (guy in a cowboy hat and guy with a pointy haircut).
Which means that they're probably dead now,...
Why should they be dead now ? Bonnies crew is most likely in impel down
@@membersonly807wasn't teech the one that wiped them out?
@@gibbs1716 akaino came and bb left the scene , bonnie managed to escape and left her crew behind
@@membersonly807 never thought of sakazuki being the type to take prisoners
I can’t put into words how much I look forward to this niggas chapter reviews
are not we all ? i press so hard my screen lag for a second
Been tuned in since 2017 or 18 it’s hard to miss a video
So nigga doesnt mean anything anymore? The insanity and hypocrisy of how people use language never ceases to amaze me.
@@thelopper43bro its a word its not that serious
@@thelopper43you want language to be static and never-changing or something?
People have been connecting Rocks Crew with the Straw Hats now. And how Rocks is similar to Luffy in how they rush in Adventure/battle. It’s interesting to see. I’m totally cool with Rocks just being a adventure loving type guy where the government just made him look bad
I do believe it's explained in Thriller Bark that the zombie has the personality of the shadow AT FIRST, but over time it wears off and becomes the personality of the body. Stronger spirits take long.
The zombies on thriller bark still retain a little bit of their personality from when they were alive. The shadow is still the main thing controlling it, but the body still has habits and muscle memory. Because Ryuma for example was MUCH more serious than Brook and had much greater deference to his sword than you would expect from Brook. Even though he used Brook’s style of thrusting swordplay, Ryuma still had more skills with the blade than Brook himself, which is why Brook couldn’t get his shadow back despite multiple years passing since his shadow was stolen.
Call it like a 30/70 split in terms of Original personality to Shadow. It seems only a few of them actually retain memories from when they were alive though.
On a side note I’m salty we never got a scene with Zoro at Ryuma’s grave. He killed a magistrate and a bunch of Samurai to get it back and then we don’t even get to see him say goodbye to it.
It's like how there are certain characteristics of the original human that couldn't be removed from the seraphim, even though they should have no personality. Lineage factor stuff?
calm down john is just drinking his favorite non alcoholic beverage
Tekking so consistent. He’s put out a full 50+ min chapter review before I even knew the chapter dropped. (And I check like 4 times a day)
Chapter was out like 1-2pm est
I'm sure many people will agree with this at the same time many will disagree, strongly, but i'm actually so happy with this chapter, it's perfect. Did i want to see the godvalley incident, of course, but i was so afraid of having 2 stories that we need so much, having to compete for time, and instead of having 2 of the best flashbacks ever, having 1 mix bag flashback with a lot of great things but also undeveloped storylines.
Kuma's connection to Godvalley is genius and beautiful, Goda surprises again with such a perfect twist, but thats only a small portion of his story, not the main thing, so i'm glad its not all about that and that we can take our time to finally read his story. I'm already so emotional with what they've shown us so far, i love Kuma so much.
Also another small but incredible twist that many people won't mention is, we were interested in the main 4 groups of Godvalley, they're protagonists, Roger's group, Rocks pirates, Garp and the marines, and the Celestial Dragons, but no one thought the slaves, the actual victims of the story were going to be this important, even if the story is not about them, no matter how small they are in that conflict, of course they matter, so much it was actually caused by them!
The WG and Celestial Dragons underestimated them so much because of their arrogance and they are still suffering from the consequence of that success, of what little Kuma, Iva and Ginny were able to do. Godvalley is not about them, but 3 kid slaves caused such a massive event that shaped history and is still affecting the fate of the world. I love one piece, even the smallest can have such an impact.
The thing i hate about it is that the mariens are fine with it.
Genocide every 3 year and the mariens even help. They are evil. They are the waffen ss of one piece now. Worse even.
I mean given that sengoku and mariens told us how bad rocks was the guy could be a saint and be evil because he wanted to stop this.
I think the reason people are mad was because of the amount of breaks we had. The community is used to cliffhangers but it’s extra painful when you anticipate for hype and then oda skips it. Like people would be less mad about this offscreen if it directly proceeded the last chapter but because of the time in between everyone’s expectations are at a fever pitch
@@sargonyami4292 how many of the Marines actually know what's happening though
This is a great comment
@@sargonyami4292 The fact the marines aid and abet the Celestial Dragons is already bad enough, as an organization they never were the good guys, even if some among them are more reasonable. But Rocks is definitely not a good dude, given his intent at God Valley was not to stop the tournament, just take back the fruit.
I kinda sorta wish we could’ve gotten an mini arc seeing the perspective of events from the slave’s perspective. A few days of pirates and marines wailing on each other while these kids sneak around would’ve been great. Especially seeing Kuma save people. Hopefully the anime adds to it
Is anyone else impressed Rocks went from Hachinosu to God Valley? I can't think of many pirate crews casually leaving the grand line.
Oh, I imagine the moment that Kong says “Roger is there” corpus already halfway across the sea running on water to God Valley
Finally we get….WANG ZHI!!!!
He’s probably the silhouette on the bottom left because we know he was active during the time skip. We see the elephant centaur knight general zombie was part of rocks
@@alfredhinton8792 yeah there's a huge theory that silver ax was a general zombie like Captain John
Wang zhi was defeated by blackbeard during rocky port wasn't he
@@leighlanddbzfan7127 no, wang zhi was ousted during the rocky port and Blackbeard came and took over. Law was the mastermind and koby was the hero
@@alfredhinton8792 what does ousted mean
My guess to how kuka became king was his healing touch and his wife beating up mean people being a good combo. Like a saint as he lives in a church.
Oh I just want to learn more about kuma he's such a complex character
Oda has mastery over connecting so many characters together it's insane.
I'm so glad that Kuma had happy years in his life. If Ivankov and Dragon had not come for him...would he still be happy? But I understand why he joined them...he wanted to help people. Such a sad story. And Saturn...he's just pure evil. Nothing in the world can justify what he says... damn racist. I'm always trying to understand...celestial dragons and gorosei in particular. Maybe there is some justification for their actions... maybe there is some... logic. But no....they are just evil racists and nothing more.
The justification for their actions is that they are Nobles that rules the world and can have all the good food, slaves and everything they desire, especially in a world with hunger and pain as one piece. So why would they need another logic to act the way they act?
@@sonofcronos7831 I don't understand how anyone is willing to listen to such evil rulers. How such an organization as the Marines - who present themselves as fighters for order and justice.... without question, obey the orders of such moral monsters as celestial dragons ... it simply does not make sense. Take Garp for example. He is a good guy. And he was on this island... he saw all the fucked up shit that was happening there... didn't he really understand that he was on the wrong side? Doesn't he really understand that celestial dragons are not worthy of his protection?
@@feodaron89 i will show to you that that is completely possible.
If we go back to the 16-18 centuries, the period that inspired most of the world of one piece, we can see a random soldier. This soldier is a guard that protects his city in Spain from bandits. He hates bandits that kills and rob people for profit, he is there to fight for justice. Now, the king of Spain calls this soldier and says "hey, go to this land in America and bring back gold and silver". That soldier them goes to America together with other soldiers. He k1lls natives and destroy their villages, and plunders their gold and silver to give to the Spanish. So, a guy that in Europe sees himself as Justice, that hates pirates and bandits, has no problem in becoming a bandit himself when dealing with natives and indigenous people in America.
In the world of One Piece, this same logic applies. Marines protects people from allied Nations, but not from non-allied nations. The Tenryuubito plunders non-allied islands with the help of the marines just like in real life Kings plundered other lands. However, they still dont call themselves pirates (even trough they are), but call pirates the ones that robs THEM. Doflaming said in Marineford "the ones at the top is Justice". The same Marines that protects people from pirates, turned into pirates when they almost conquered Wano after the defeat of Kaidou, and when they tried to take Whitebeard island and where stopped by Weevil.
They’re murderers as well lol. And he doesn’t purely hate the buccaneers just because of their race. They clearly have some connection to Nika/Joyboy, and therefore represent a threat to Saturn’s power - at least in his eyes. His “racism” is really just a byproduct of much more evil motivations and machinations, and as usual, it’s a distraction.
@@sonofcronos7831 I understand this perspective. However, this is Garp we are talking about. He does not like the celestial dragons, which is why he did not become an admiral, so that they would not order him directly like other admirals. Garp does not plunder villages on their orders. But he witnessed all the atrocities that took place on this island. For another character, this would be the moment of realization that he is helping the villains. But Garp stayed to work for them...I don’t understand this.
Would be a crazy reveal if Rocks turned out to be buggys father somehow. They both loved to cause chaos
The Rocks Pirates are basically the 96’ Bulls of One Piece
Perfect analogy lul
I think the Shadows from thriller bark are heavily skewed to A) How strong willed the shadow being put into the zombie is and B) How strong the zombie the shadow being put in is. If the Zombie from their previous life’s will is significantly stronger than the shadow being put in the old personality survives (Captain John, Ryuma). If the Shadow’s will is stronger, the zombie will act more like the original shadow bearer (Luffy over Oars, the Zoro and Sanji shadows over whatever they took over).
Yes! that's why the zombies with SH shadows misbehaved initially, and later followed ordes
Still can't believe were finally getting god valley
Have read the chapter?
No we’re really not 😅
We’re not seeing the actual incident for a while lmao
@@magna7446Yeah, I just mean that were finally getting to see more of god valley and a bunch of info about it. I presume we will actually see the battle between Xebec and Roger and Garp soon.
Oda is such a tease
Big Mom seems to care about kids somewhat (see Tama) so it’s weird how she punched a kid, took his fruit, and left them to die with a Gorosei
I don't think that BM cares about killing Kids, I think Tama just reminded her of herself and Mother Carmel
@@Kuhlinnand Tama was doing well with her whilst Big Mom lost her memories
Kaido was probably one of the 500 Kuma sent away flying😂 hence why she claims he disappeared. She must’ve gave him the fruit in hopes to save his life and the gentle kuma sees another injured boy and decides to send him off the island
I see that "Rocks Pirates" are just like *reverse* Enies Lobby Straw Hats 😂
Remember how Oars had to adjust from the strength of Luffy's shadow? It seems the longer the shadow remains, the more the corpse takes over. Initially the shadow is in charge but little by little based off the strength of the soul and the strength of the corpse.
I can't shake this feeling that Ginny is gonna die and it's gonna blow a hole in my heart
Cause she's probably a mom in black pages.
Sorry to stick the knife in deeper but flashback characters don't have a great track record of living on top of we haven't heard anything about her from anyone present day not Bonney, Vegapunk, Ivankov, Kuma etc so she's probably dead and probably the catalyst for Kuma turning into a cyborg thinking that it would protect Bonney since her mom's not around but there's been occasions where flashback characters live like we all thought Saul was dead af and he's alive and some others
And odens father was alive the whole time
she faked her death and became crocodile, she still can be luffy's mom
I think Oda wanted to showcase that there is more to it with the shadow and body.
Like the model zombie, even though the shadow was from someone, it disobeyed Hogback's orders. So the "rule" is personality comes from the shadow, but body isn't separate from the personality... like the will of people do not die even when they die
Trekking is one of the most humble OP UA-camrs. Dude called out so many predictions in this one and chapters past. And I swear I never hear an I told you so
I am loving Kuma’s backstory, & with this chapter there are several questions in my head like Ivankov had the Azure Dragon fruit what if he ate it then that would make him a Drag-on Queen, what were some of the other Devil Fruits in the boxes, & with the reveal that it was Gloriosa that was part of the Rocks Pirates instead of Shakuyaku how did she become one after leaving Amazon Lily due to love sickness, & who else maybe could have been on this island
It took Oars time to absorb Luffy's personality. Brooks soul was still new to Ryuma so the shadow and body weren't quite merged. Captain John had probably been a zombie for a while, or maybe both personalities were drunks.
I just assumed Moria knew about Captain John's drinking, so he found a powerful drunk guys shadow
The best chapter of this year and one of the best chapter of One Piece ever. Every page has an emotion in it and there is a lot of world building and reveals. I can't wait to see what will happen next
Kong: Garp there are thousands of legendary pirates swarming the location of many of our World Nobles!
Garp: I sleep
Kong: Roger is there too
Garp: REAL SHIT
It’s starting to make more and more sense how shanks was able to casually have a chat with the gorosei at mariejois
32:00 Moria's shadow power does work like a mix when animating a corpse, remember Victoria Cindry? Her memories/soul from when she was alive did influence the zombie's actions and stopping it on it's tracks when fighting Chopper.
I thought Wang Zhi was the ruler of Hacinosu until the Rocky Port incident, that means he couldn't have been a part of Moria's general zombies.
@@disasteromegayou are correct. The zombie at TB was not him
I'm more excited for the English Dub when the anime comes around to adapt this scene, since both Kaido and Shiki are voiced by well known, Beast Wars voice actors, David Sobolov and Scott McNeil.
We'll see 👀 what happens when we get to that point in the English Dub real soon. No need to rush.
Shiki has a Jamaican accent
Probably a couple years later
Honestly and this is something the Live Action One Piece show has brought up but I hope, at some point before the end of the series, we get more as to why Garp believes the World Government and the Celestial Dragons are the lesser of the evils in the world of One Piece. Because this chapter pretty much shows and probably cements that Garp knows the sort of things the Celestial Dragons get up to. He knows about the whole slave hunt thing and, honestly, probably is almost if not fully in the know of what the Celestial Dragons are like and what they get up to yet, despite all of that awful stuff, he still considers the World Government the best thing for the World and it's honestly just a situation where you have to wonder what happened in Garp's life or what moment happened that made Garp decide that the World Government, for all it's evils and all it's fault, is still good for the world than the world existing without it.
I don't think he'd be so calm if he knew the nature of the event. But you're right. If he DID know, we need to know why he hasn't changed sides. This is ridiculously evil.
I don’t think he sees the celestial dragons as the lesser of two evils I think he sees the navy as a way to do legitimate justice
@@tenkenroobut the Marines are doing the dirty work of said evil
@@Yodah97 He didn't. He asked Kong why he would go to God Valley and Kong didn't give him an actual answer (either he didn't know about the Murder Festival or didn't want to tell him the truth) and all Garp knew was that the Celestial Dragons were going on a "Field Trip" which he didn't give a fuck about their safety and basically said that anything that happened to them wasn't something he cared about. He only went when he learned Roger was there. Post God Valley Garp may have learned the truth but while people love to say "Oh he can just revolt" I think he instead wanted to focus on protecting the people of the world from both Pirates and the WG and raise the next generation while staying close to the Marines so he can fight from the inside.
Is just like in real life. Imagine a police officer that hates bandits and k1llers. Them, this officer becames a soldier and goes to a war. He k1lls so that his country can take the recources of another country essencially making this soldier a bandid too. But he dont see himself as a bandit, because he hates criminals in his own country, but is fine when he becames a criminal in another country. Marines in one piece protects people from pirates as long these people are from allied nations of the WG, and they dont care about people from outside. Garp sees himself as a good person for this reason.
That scene in Marineford when Ivankov said to Kuma ‘No one ever forgets my face’ use to make me laugh. It now makes me cry.
Through the downs and ups in my life, one thing has always stayed consistent, you Tekking. You will always be my favourite UA-camr
This is definitely one of my favorite chapters, had goosebumps the whole time reading it.
I’ve reread this chapters 10 times so many details and easter eggs
Who else wants a brawl between granny Nyon and the old Stussy now?! Battle of the mini grandmas.
That might actually happen. Weevil is in Impel Down, right? And Amazon Lily is nesrby, which means Miss Buckin may have to go there and ask for help.
Also, I just realized that would lead to a second jail break, which may free Doflamingo and put him back into the story.
@@ritacirocavalcante I think its unlikely cause shes already been on Sphinx Island with Marco and told him to help so to say. But a nice thought!
As much as I wanted to see what went down at God Valley, this is a Kuma flashback first and foremost and what really went down at God Valley is for another time. One Piece always had massive conflicts and figures but we often forget about the little guy in the OP world and Kuma's flashback is all about it.
Regarding the Rock's Crew, its very exciting to see Rock's crew being fleshed out I also believe the figure that's in the background of the main Rocks panel is Rocks himself.
Realized Kuma (slave) and Doffy (ex Celestial Dragon) walked up together to gorosei meeting before. Both opposite ends of the spectrum in status, were then warlords together at a point in time. Oda is awesome.
About the Kage Kage no Mi: I feel like there is a struggle of power between the shadow and the body. We know you need a certain level power in the shadow to animate a body - because Moria wanted Luffys shadow in particular to animate Oarz. So thats the baseline of what is needed: a shadow that is at least as strong as the body. In this case the personality would be split 50:50. But if the shadow is stronger than the body, the shadows personality takes over like inside Oarz. (99% Luffy / 1% Oarz). But if the body is stronger than the shadow it shifts to the personality of the body (80% Ryuma / 20% Brook).
Amazing chapter, honestly if we only got to see more of the God Valley's battle it would be a legendary chapter.
Oda: Hey everyone Rocks is going to be shown in this chapter.
Fans: Really? You're going to show us what Rocks look like?
Oda: Well no it's silhouette like before... But he going to have dialogue.
Fans: Cool, so we possibly guess on how his personality is based on his dialogue right?
Oda: Well actually it's only like one line of dialogue and it's really not that impactful.
Fans: ...
Oda: ... Surprise!
I always understood the shadow-personality trait as DBZ’s fusion. It incorporates the personality/styles of both individuals
Hi Tekking! I know it's a little late, but I found a little easter egg that you missed in the chapter. In the panel that shows all of the Rocks pirates, we can also see Streusen, the cook of the Big Mom pirates that ate the cook-cook fruit. he's in the bottom right corner of the panel to the right of Whitebeard. Half of him is covered by a sound effect, but you can barely make out his signature nose and bandana around his neck. The One Piece wiki has a blown up version of the image under his page.
Guys, Rocks said a couple lines. Let's just be happy with that
That means we get a VA in about 1.5 - 2 years. Will be interesting to see the kind of voice he gets. Maybe a more deep and unhinged luffy-like voice?
NO I NEEED MORE
I'm happy seeing Kuma's backstory. Rocks is a sidenote to that, and he'll have his moment in the sun in the future.
I was definitely waiting on Tekkings video strictly for WHANG ZHI.
This was a sad flashback but at least it had a happy ending, and this chapter showed the cruelty of the WG and the hypocrisy of the marines
It’s not over yet
The flashback does not end until we see Saturn erasing Kuma memories trough Vegapunk, after all this is why Bonney started to remember the flashback.
Yeah Kuma ended up having a happy ever after with his daughter and wife. Wg tyrants was completely destroyed and everyone was happy
On the captain John thing…. There’s more than one alcoholic in the one piece world.
White beard makes a comment that reminds me of how Law acts with Luffy. Makes me wonder if it’s a temporary alliance rather than a crew that’s together a long time.
When all else fails. Rocks ranger's to the rescue, gotta love how everyone just ran off their ships and Rocks in particular flexing those D credentials.
Wang Zhi was at Hachinosu pre-timeskip, so he was not one of the zombies.
This confirms Oda hasn't forgotten Bogard which only makes me wonder where was he in the Hachinosu chapters?! Why didn't he do anything...
He was there for a brief moment in a panel. He just did not do anything.
31:20 @Tekking101 I think the way it works is that the personality of the shadow is put on but the physical dependencies and muscle memory belongs to the body. So Captain John had a dependency with alcohol already so the shadow needed to drink and Ryuma used brookes sword technique because that's what the body remembered.
Everyone whose here after the new chapters, its good to see hope before its completely destroyed.