Ranking Every Camera Maker's Software (They're All Bad) | The PetaPixel Carcast
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
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As long as there is no real reason to ever download it and use it, it’s actually not a big deal if a camera company’s software doesn’t work great. Photographers are using third-party software like Adobe Lightroom and Capture One a majority of the time and it probably isn’t unusual for them to never feel the need to download first-party software.
That was until companies started locking features behind these programs. For example, Canon Dual Pixel RAW requires the use of Digital Photo Professional and Sony requires photographers fire up Imaging Edge if they want to use Pixel Shift Multi-Shot. Neither of these programs are intuitive to use and, perhaps worse, they are frustratingly slow and prone to crashing.
So, looking at the state of photography in 2024, Chris, Jordan, and I asked ourselves this: how is it acceptable that all these programs are just varying degrees of bad? The three of us dig into it while driving from San Jose to San Francisco in the first-ever PetaPixel Carcast!
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In This Episode:
00:00 - Welcome to the PetaPixel CarCast!
06:32 - The highly anticipated lasagna throwdown
18:18 - Adobe Will Buy Your Videos for Up to $7.25 Per Minute to Train AI: petapixel.com/2024/04/11/adob...
22:46 - Panasonic S5II and S5IIX get firmware updates: petapixel.com/2024/04/10/pana...
27:22 - Leica's Leitz Phone 1 Looks Dope, but it's Japan-Only: petapixel.com/2024/04/10/leic...
33:00 - Nikon completes its acquisition of RED: petapixel.com/2024/04/12/niko...
36:42 - It's pretty inexcusable that camera company software is so bad
1:01:49 - Tech support
1:15:24 - Never read the comments - Наука та технологія
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Boo, we want you to honor the first deal 🤣
Whackkkk. Came to say it’s the em10.4 that’s on sale for 699.99
lol, I was listening to the audio version and literally stopped what I was doing to go order one and was frantically clicking around the site looking for where it could have been.
Looks like the discount is not quite as good in Canada, eh. :-)
First episode of Canadians in Cars Getting Coffee.
I thought Driving Mister Daisy 😂
Think jarron is American from NorCal
@@nelsonZeledon Jaron is the Jerry of PetaPixel. They even have the same initials!
Not Canadians in Cars Making Pasta? 😆
Dont be racist 🇺🇸
Jaron wearing dark sunglasses while driving through rain and gray is the most American thing ever
In his defense, a polarized lense can help when driving in the rain. Helps improve clarity.
This was one of your best yet! Much more natural and interactive than three separate views in a screen. The changing ‘road trip’ background really works and the sound and video are spot on. Thanks guys. Oh, and the lasagna looked fab.
As a Sony fanboy, I'm sorry but Sony is a GAME CHANGER in the field of not only having garbage desktop software, but multiple garbage phone apps that only work for certain models. I can only hope that they can return to the old ways of ALSO putting garbage apps right inside the camera itself. I miss the act of buying more camera for my camera by typing my credit card info via T9en.
Canon DPP has entered the chat.
Gosh the sony raw image editor always makes everything super super saturated, what's not to love?
Similar with canon tbh. It always surprises me how bad the apps are from these big tech companies. Especially supposed professional apps used for work. I mean I never have problems with steam, spotify and discord randomly stop working or logging me out and stuff but teams and microsoft office several times... Sry i kinda went off on a tangent.
Such a bold decision and such a great dynamic recording this episode in the car while driving. Well done. And thanks for answering my question on x100vi and R8. Far from London, England!
Thank you for fixing your seatbelt strap only a minute into the episode, Jordan! Safety first.
All food channel where Jordan does nothing but eat at the end and struggle not to hurt someone's feelings... do it. The lasagna looked good af.
An episode in which Chris pays Jordan back with lasagna for suffering through his fly fishing trip.
46:09 - best quote I’ve heard about the cyber truck appearance is it looks like a Pontiac Aztec drawn with PS1 graphics engine.
Kudos to you guys for getting better audio in a moving vehicle than some people manage to get in a quiet room
I have my photography setup pretty much complete, so im not into gear reviews like before anymore. So I really enjoy your podcast. Its a pleasure to watch.
The lasagne throwdown was top tier content. Bravo chefs and taster
Thank you so much for the epic conclusion to the lasagna arc!
Congratulations guys....this format is interesting...as long as you don't crash.
I'm 49. My first car was obtained in 1997 at the age of 22. It was a 1986 Mazda RX-7, the second generation. Non-turbo, manual. Did not have AC (and I lived and still live in Texas). Did not have power steering, which actually was amazing -- such a direct feeling of actually muscling the car around (kind of bad in parking lots though). It was reddish orange. I loved the rotary engine. It had an aftermarket intake and exhaust, and upgraded suspension along with wheels that pushed the tires outside of the wheel wells a bit. I truly loved that machine, even though it stranded me more than once and would spend days not moving since (as a poor grad student) I couldn't always afford to get it fixed. Usually my father would come through and help in the end though. Sold it to a kid who was even more into RX-7s than I was.
I necer owned the RX7 but loved to ta ke a ride with my friend's red one - a lovely red color. A real gem that brings back memories, good times.
I loved the little cook off thing in the podcast here. Hope to see more when yall are together. What mics/ recorder/camera were you using for the car, I saw different kind of lavs on chris and Jaron.
You have tried, I use NX studio every day and I have yet to see better color interpretation from another raw converter. I own, and use dx0, C1 and of course acr. Different purposes, e g noise reduction or more advanced editing. But as a raw converter with applying rudimentary settings NX wipes the floor. Have you tried converting 2000 raw to jpg? The engine is crazy fast, Nikon has done a lot to their software last years. From lagging to blazingly fast. You can't just sit on a bike to test it, Gees. Run the bike for some miles at least. My take on the other raw converters I use: C1: portrait, fast convenient; dx0 superior nr; acr superior in advanced editing.
Sad to hear that it wasn't mentioned that Capture One was in fact a Camera Maker's software. You know Phase One, the camera manufacturer you usually forget about. It just grew so good that it ended up being an industry standard.
Bingo.
The lasagna cook off was awesome fun.
My first car was 1991 Mazda 626 with a bumper that was held on with bailing wire, Dead bees in the back wind sheild, and the passenger side floor board had a big hole in it that would allow water to gush through on hard right turns. I frggin loved that car. it also had oscillating front air vents!
I can't get over how good your animated intros are 🔥 kudos to the artist(s?) who made them. Can we have a link to their website?
Love those "in car" ads. Looks almost like they rehearse an audition for some movie
Now that you've had lasagna, the next episode should be filmed while riding Vespas.
Guys, I'm with Hessel. I own a Sony RX10M4 because I need a reasonably capable hybrid camera with a good lens at multiple focal lengths and a long telephoto. I can't afford and don't have the space when I travel to carry multiple good quality lenses. I love my current camera, but I do wish it could shoot internal 10-bit 4:2:2 video, had better autofocus, and better battery life.
Thanks for the crazy car episode.
I hope that next week you guys can talk about all of the cameras that Blackmagic released. They sound really interesting to me and I would like to hear what y'all think about them.
Thanks
Agreed on the software front. The mobile apps are a particular pain point for me, as it's seemingly 50/50 if they work right. I've had success with the OM and Fujifilm apps, but the Lumix and Nikon ones have proved very flaky. At least the new Wi-Fi STA mode on the Z9 solved it for that camera - I can finally download photos without it bugging out 😅
For me it's literally the reverse. Snapbridge always worked 100% flawlessly and fast, Fujifilm's app was terrible, often didn't want to connect (X100V / always the highest end android phone, Fold 4, then 5 and before that a Sony 1 MK IV) - i tried last week and again was struggling with Fuji; then noticed Fuji made a completely new app. Tried that. And yeah, it's better but still weak. Noticed how you HAVE to not be connected to a wifi point to use it cause otherwise it just messes up. So if you're in a studio and want to use the fuji app; you have to go into your settings and manually disconnect from your studio's AP by changing a setting. And then remember to change it back again after you're done. Snapbridge doesn't have this issue.
We need more food throw-downs! Who makes the best burger?
Love this episode 😂
Bless Jordan's soul for doing the tests hahaha
This is too addictive I need to join a support group 😅
My first car: 1976 Plymouth Fury. Don't let the name fool you. There was nothing furious about it. It was the huge 4 door sedan they used on the Dukes of Hazard TV show as the cop car. LOL I can't complain though, it was 1986, I was 16 and my dad bought that for me as my first car...so, I was happy to have it.
Chris, I wanted to know, what is your methodology behind your personal camera choices? As in, how much do you value things like technical image quality vs. features vs. resolution, weight, lensee etc.? I also wanted to ask, is your EDC still an Om-1? Or are you currently sticking with the a7r5? Would you upgrade to the Om-1 ii if you’re still carrying the mark i?
I use OM Workspace occasionally on an M2 Macbook Air. It's not great, but I've never had it crash or be unable to open.
You guys seem to be in the central CA coast a lot for press. When are we getting a Petapixel Podcast meet and greet???
This location show is really good.
Great CarCast!
I would love to see more food throwdown
About the most important subject in this episode: we NEED both lasagna recipes!!
I think there was a mistake in the ad read. The $699.99 price appears to be for the E-M10IV + 14-42mm IIr lens.
Yes, I was going to jump all over that but it's nowhere to be found on their site. I suspect you're right.
Is there a link for the offer mentioned?
@@HoosierGuy It just goes to OM System's website.
I loved dpp4 for starting out
Impressive audio quality for a movie vehicle. And a cool camera angle, too
Car podcast is the best when your driving
Road trip!!!
Thank you, great car-cast.
Are the thumbnail photos taken at the time of each episode or does Jordan just have a giant folder of Chris making over-the-top expressions conveying all different emotions that he can pull from when needed?
Sigma has a couple of 1:1 macro lenses for mirrorless. The 105mm f/2.8 art macro and the 70mm f/2.8 art macro. Both are available for e-mount, though not for Z-mount.
The Noct unit of weight is so versatile. It even measures lasagna!
Hessel said he is from Maastricht, that is in the South Netherlands, not South England. Being Dutch I thought it was important to mention :) Keep up the good work, I watch these podcast always!
More carcasts!
We need a cooking spinoff!
Just had to say that what traditional lasagna is depends on a lot on where and when... In Argentina, at authentic Italian restaurant, I ordered lasagna and was quite surprised to get a plate lasagna noodles in cream sauce - no layers, no meat, no tomato, no visible cheese. I can only conclude their family must have immigrated to Argentina at a time before the tomato (a new world item) became popular in the region. Cuisine in old world Italy was quite regional.
I highly assume that the new Leitz phone is still made by Sharp, so that's why it's Japan-only. Also, the international license for Leica-partnered phones is at Xiaomi. Since they don't sell their devices in North America, I think Leica should try to sell Leitz phones in NA, but well licensing and additional development costs money, so do distribution networks, and so on. And I see how the really have the best chances to sell it in Japan where there are so many camera nerds.
As for the Nikon SLR and liwlight focus.. switch to 12bit instead of14bit photos. It helps a lot!
I have to say while it’s clunky, the canon profile editor software is quite powerful and can create some pretty good ‘recipes’ for canon cameras that put it close to Fujifilm in terms of JPG flexibility!
While I don't use Nikon's NX Sudio that much, you can customize the panels shown and the order of the panels, so the workflow issue is probably not as big an issue. I do find it gives good results, but I'm not about to give up Lightroom or my other tools. Maybe if they'd had NX Studio before I got hooked on Adobe... ;-)
I cannot find that special on OM-System's site which makes me think that it might be an error. The OM-5 still costs at least $800 on the used market and about $1200 new, it would be insane for them to sell it with a lens for $700.
Yes, I was looking for it too.
@@TimLucasdesign yea, it looks like it was an error. I was totally going to order it on the spot, but it’s not real.
@@olivernote9162 me too 😆
Can the Lasagne recipi be public?
Hey my 2nd car was a 69 Cutlas S one step diwn from the 4-4-2, it only had the 310hp 350 v8 and a hurst 4 speed. Chicks dug that car !
Do you know, guys, you reminded me of 3 musketeers. Have anybody compared you with those characters?
Chris is definitely D'Artagnan - it's his temperament that speaks for itself. Jordan is Porthos. Definitely size matters! But I haven't decided yet who would be Jaron, whether it's Athos or Aramis... However I tend to think that Athos personality would feet Jaron best. You definitely need one more person in you team! Than the whole book, sorry, crew will be complete!
Best episode ever!
What cam/audio setup did you use to record this?
Three lavs, a rat's nest of cables into a Zoom recorder, and a GoPro.
Hello, My name is Michel, I just got a Sony a6700. I look everywhere for this and I can't find anything so: Can I use bluetooth headset to monitor my recording on my a6700?
Soon there's gonna be legions of indistinguishable AI Chris' wandering Inglewood espousing the virtues of 35mm as a focal length 😈
Phocus is fine IMO.
"Washing machine on wheels" - love it! 100% ugliest vehicle I've seen - the Pinto is beautiful in comparison.
On topic: I do use the Canon software once in a while and quite honestly, it isn't that horrible - and quite stable on Mac. It IS slow, though, agreed.
In general, though, the same thought applies as to car companies: Camera companies are not software specialists (except for in-camera, but that is a different beast entirely). Show me a car where the software is good, fast and easy to use...
Was this shot in one of those Hollywood fake cut-away cars in front of a green screen? 😂
Capture One playing take-backsies with software licenses for their express versions of their software feels like it’s in this vein.
But also all of the manufacturers would be better off just writing plug-ins for Ps/Lr at this point.
One feature I use on my Nikon cameras is their Picture Controls. These work great if you are creating JPEGS, but if you shoot RAW, then the picture control info is passed in the RAW file, but ONLY Nikon NX Studio reads these and interprets them. So you need to read into Nikon NX Studio, then export as a tiff, then suck into your editing SW. I wish there was a batch utility to do this, or even better, have Adobe interpret these.
I wonder if I’m the only one to go searching for sponsors ads. I remember a good deal on a provider of music and background sound effects offering a lifetime membership. I’m looking for it! Can’t find it! And I’m ready to buy right now! Oh well.
DPP is indeed slow but it gives the best quality ever for canon raw files
DPP is also incredibly bad at handling the burst pre-capture files. I’ve basically stopped using the feature altogether because the extra few frames of a heron taking a fat dump are just not worth the hassle extracting them.
honestly, you should keep making this like Carpool Karaoke.
No love for Sigma Photo Pro?? 😂 It’s the only way I know of to get Foveon raw files from my SD Quattro into tiffs to use in Lightroom. Not a fun process, but at least the software has decent functionality (although it is slow). What’s keeping Adobe from being able to read the Foveon raw files directly?
Thank you Chris♡ for sacrificing your back...I think you guys need a bigger car.
Love the podcast, watch it every time. Thanks. Who’s Lasagne contained Ricotta? That is a clear and absolute no-no. The only cheese to go in there is Pecorino (good Parmigiano might do if no well aged dry and hard Pecorino is available). I admit that I deviate from this iron rule myself, as I found putting a little Gorgonzola into the Béchamel sauce elevates to a heavenly experience, but certainly not Ricotta, which has its fair uses, but not in Lasagne. Cheers, Urs
Chris used a more American recipe that calls for ricotta while Jaron used a traditional recipe that uses a bechemel and a good parm.
Nikon software is just awesome (and completely free).
First car (1967) was a 1964 Malibu Super Sport, four in the floor, bored to the max, and won a lot of money racing the car. I was able to 'retire' from my part-time job in high school, and use my racing money to date my high school girlfriend...ah, those were the days.
Canons DPP software is so laughably bad and pathetic that it just deserves to be ridiculed in the media and using an example of how freaking backwards they are as a software company.
It looks like it was designed literally 30 years ago, it's stupid the UI is stupid the functions are dumb everything is dumb about this application and a separate floating windows is insane and imbecilic I can't find enough words to describe how terrible this piece of software is. It doesn't even deserve to get called software it's a freaking application and it's a trashy stupid ridiculous garbage application at that.
In the last few months I had to check focus on files from the r62 because the stupid thing was acting up, and this dumb application called DPP was no help because it is so stupid and trashy. All these years they seriously couldn't figure out that the software is garbage and needs a serious serious overhaul if not just for the UI functions and make it run actually well on fast modern hardware? Like how bad do you have to be as a software developer or your team is a bunch of interns who quit because they didn't think your level of quality was good enough for the future so they bounced and nobody wants to work on this garbage.
PS- DPP IS FREAKING GARBAGE
42:07 "Wait. It opens up is a big deal for software?" :D
Had a ‘98 Windstar too 😂
Let's hear more about Jordan's "Party Years"!
Guys! Quick question: I'm going on vacation in 3 weeks. I have a Nikon Z50 and an FTZ adapter, should I get a Nikon Z DX 18-140mm, Nikon Z DX 12-28mm, or Nikon Af-S 18-300mm? Or should I save my money and use "the best camera I always have with me" i.e. S22 Ultra?
The Z50 with the Z DX 18-140 and the Z DX 12-28..
Welcome to the San Francisco Bay Area. In your journey, try going to the spectacular Sonoma coast. You are at the very end of crab season, but no trip should miss the great crab. Also, enjoy a bottle of Russian River Pinot. Great combination.
As an italian, i would have chosen Chris lasagna (even though 3 layers are definitely not enough. you do 5 to 7, with less sauce between the layers). Sorry, jaron, but i am afraid you do not remember the ratio of pasta to cheese to sauce right.
Già chiamarla lasagna è un grandissimo complimento... tre strati... :D
you had two chances to get any of their names right and you failed both times
@@kylehaggard7348 oh, i called chris jordan while i wrote a comment, such a mistake. I corrected it, as i corrected jaron's name. Happy, now?
I appreciate the support! Free lasagna for you next time we meet!
06 civic to the tesla, never looked back after the jump. feel like tesla is the perfect car for photography. the moonroof is great for astrophotography and during the eclipse
Great thumbnail! But, I can't tell if you're just mad or If Jordan had beans for lunch.
DXO PhotoLab 7❤❤❤❤❤
I think we need an impartial judge. There is a conflict of interest for Jordan since Jaron is his boss 🤣
Imbalance of powers
Wow the Lasagna’s looked great!
The only thing I'd knock the OEM cam software editors for is being forced to use it for things like Nikon's pixel shift merging...but I can understand why in that case why you'd need to (because Adobe may take a while to include it in Lightroom or may never decide to add it to Lightroom. For general editing, I don't see why anyone buying a $2,000+ camera and not learn how or what to use Lightroom, Capture One, etc. If you're buying a camera at that level, I think it's not wise to use the OEM software. For cheap bodies under $1,000, it's more understandable that those people might want to use OEM software/not want to buy/learn Lightroom, etc. Heck, I was in the store picking up my Zf today and overheard the employee telling the other employee the person on the phone is asking about if they need this or that photo for shooting sunrise/sunsets. Those are the type of people I think would probably be using OEM software (and have no awareness of things like Lightroom or no interest in it if they did hear about it). Anyone serious about editing that shoots often and has lots of images to go through would not be using OEM software (unless it's someone that likes being tortured 🙂).
I thought y'all were gonna talk about internal camera software which definitely needs to be talked about
Rear wheel drive 80's Cutless Supremes are one of the most desirable cars to make low rider's out of.
I have to say Nikon's NX Studio is useful, but very very clunky. Makes Lightroom Classic look like the future....Although it does give you the ability to apply settings you could have applied in-camera, after the fact (since some settings may be stored in the RAW file anyway and can be adjusted as needed, and the software can re-render the image with such settings applied, like their D-Lighting technology which is basically shadow boost).
I'm currently living in Japan and I looked the leitz phone 3 up. The official announcement from Softbank (a service provider in Japan) said that the phone is ONLY gonna be sold by them (and apparently you have to use their mobile service in order to purchase it). I suspect that's the reason why this phone is Japan only. But the machine itself is still being manufactured by Sharp. The price is 195,696Yen or 1300 USD, which is slightly higher than my 256G iphone 15 pro max (189,800Yen). Not too bad for a Leica I guess
Being Softbank-only within Japan doesn’t really explain the lack of international sales. Even the iPhone was originally Softbank-only within Japan, but that was completely unrelated to international sales.
I just hope C2PA support eventually goes back to the older digicams of the 00's... I'm thinking in the case of events like 9/11, occupy wall st and the Freedom-convoy.
On batteries: for longevity of lithium batteries try and keep it between ~50%-70% charged with the occasional full drain to reset the charge controller memory of how much charge is held by the battery (best way to do the latter is to keep using it until the device shuts off, typically a hard shut-off).
See no evil, hear no evil. We just needed a dummy for the youngster in the back to speak no evil.
Are you kidding me? My first car was a 1968 Olds Cutlass S, Burgundy with ivory opalescent tuck and roll leather and a 350 V8 with a 4 barrel. A chick magnet for sure.
Seriously, this OM5 kit is $1,600 in Germany together.
The link to the OM5 landingpage does not work.
I wish you guys would give us your lasagna recipes!
I want to make a video rant about the state of video recording software on phones. There's no perfect one-every one has a flaw that's fixed by another, but some have features others don't have and none line up perfectly.