Omg for real. As someone who went to grad school for math and loves drawing anime… I am literally going to do the boxes from angles in the Cartesian coordinate system exercise. Dot grid notebooks are perfectly coming in handy for this!
fun fact, before 3d modelling programs, that was the only way for u to make a 3D model using math and code. He is doing the equivalent of using ancient magic in a modern program
I started doing that for a perspective drawing I wanted to draw inside of a blueprint I made for a fictional city square, but like a lot of things I start, I didn't get anywhere near finishing. I probably haven't gone back to it since the day I started it.
Seeing a math enthusiast's approach drawing is the funniest shenanigans I've seen in a while. I swear, you could set up a whole social experiment to see how different professions affect how people approach drawing.
The fact that it’s actually only two days makes the growth more impressive to me. Because so much of learning a complex skill is shifting conscious effort into the unconscious, the spacing of practice over the course of a longer period of time is more meaningful than people realize.
Yea, I think letting what you do simmer and sink in works wonders. Obviously upping 10 min practice up to 30 or 1h is going to speed up your process. And when you really are feeling it, going for hours is even better. I think the minimum is the most important, so you never let "rust" accumulate.
Exactly this. Sleeping causes what you’ve learned that day to be internalized, thru the fusion of newly formed connections in the brain. Pewdiepie had ~30 nights of that advantage applied to his journey. 15 if you account for absolutely terrible sleep scheduling. Rinke had 1-3. 5hrs of drawing divided by a 30-day schedule, is beginning to look like a viable amount of time/effort to put into the craft as a hobbyist.
@@LarryMonteforte Man, this sounds like working out. You destroy the muscle during the workout, and the actual growth happens during recovery afterwards. This makes so much more sense to me now. Artistic hypertrophy. Thank you!
Yeah, seems like he was sabotaged a bit. But there are plenty of people who want to draw but aren't smart enough to seek advice and tips. Tho this dude seems really smart, he figured out functional solutions to problems real quick.
@@Utrilusi mean you need to be figure out solutions on your own anyway,good exsample would me learning to modify japanese way of drawing furry snout and drawing hair using cursive lines
@@zhanucong4614 The best art advice I've gotten was from oridays' video fastest way to learn to draw in 1 hour. That's basically study the refrence, and then draw it from memory, correct mistakes, take notes, draw from memory again, repeat till memory copy is satisfying, and then go do other fun stuff with the character you memorized. It's like the 101 for learning to draw from imagination. Tho it still needs some level of experience with fundamentals as constructing figures and characters with simple shapes and the like. Tho imo that can also be learned with that method.
@@Utrilusmost of tutorials I've watched has skipping a lot of parts because "it's trivial". Most of them didn't even say that you should draw line using your wrist not hand lmao, because "it's trivial". A lot of people who are advanced overestimate what most of beginners can do and it doesn't matter if it's physics, drawing, math, biology or idk history
i think 2 days for all this practice actually makes it a lot different from 30 days of practice. with 30 days even if you are only getting 10 min a day you’re getting time to sleep everyday, which is usually super important in the learning process. I still think the amount learned in the 5 hours across two days is really impressive and some of his ideas are really smart but i feel somehow that he’d be even better in an actual 30 day long set up
100% agreed, an extended period of time really matters. learning an instrument works the same. you can practice 4 hours a day for two days, but you won't improve as much as practicing one hour a day for a week. (plus, doing it for longer lets you think about drawing even when you're not drawing)
Yes I agree, with 30 days you're basically learning to draw by spaced repetition which is proved to be one of the best ways to memorize anything. And also Pewdiepie was always drawing the same thing, cute anime girl faces.
I'm a bit confused, wasn't this an actual 30 day set up? I've re-watched the beginning so many times for a set up information and scanned through the video. but the only thing I can go off of is the day counter at the top. So was this not really 30 days? it does display different days. leading up to 30 days. where did you get that it was fit into just 2 days?
there's something just so endearing about the "looks like a child drew it" completed image... it really does look like a child drew it, but for some reason I like it anyway
Well, that's totally accurate though. Children don't have well trained fine motor skills, eye to hand coordination, or proprioception. Just like an adult beginner artist wouldn't.
I thought the exact same, I was like "oh cute". It really is endearing, low-key reminds me when ppl learn to speak a new language, just ppl learning something you're so used to it's smth you do unconsciously is really cute and endearing
Tbf Rinke would do really well in technical drawing if he wanted! My prof works as an architectural designer so mathing can be advantageous for learning perspective. If anything, I think the experiment solidified that anybody can learn to draw if they really put the effort. Great vid as always!
His approach to perspective is very reminiscent of what artists did during the Italian Renaisance. Edit: I agree with the more accurate descriptor of "drawing from memory"
Dude has some serious talent in observing. Like I’m serious. At day 13 he was able to draw such accurate ducks despite only started drawing. Yes, even with reference that is impressive. He’s able to make really good observation and is pretty good at comparing landmark. I think he really does have it inside him.
I thought he could find out where he went wrong if he traced the drawing at 9:30, then compared, and corrected the original. And then redrew it. He'd find all his mistakes and places he needs improvement right away.
In my opinion starting drawing with a blank slate as an adult, with a serious intent to learn to draw, could actually be a great benefit opposed to someone who maybe had a lot of experience drawing as a kid/teen and came back to it as an adult. You aren't shackled with bad habits, shortcuts you may need to break to actually improve and can just whole heartedly embrace the process without any baggage. I was one that came back to drawing as an adult after being "the kid in class that could draw" in my youth. However, I never read any how to draw books or anything and was exclusively self taught. I just drew and got better over the years I was in that position of my drawing ability would impress people that cant draw, but I couldn't sniff a pro's jock strap. I approaching it seriously, ate my pride and took a beginner drawing course. What I found is that, I really struggled to do beginner things. Learning about shapes, perspective etc. I had a hard time wanting to stick to the process, because my drawings tended to come out worse when trying to do things the way the course instructed (like drawing an animal from reference constructing it with simple shapes). It would look far better if I just "drew what I saw" instead of trying to construct it. I really WANTED to say eff this, I draw worse doing this. But I stuck with it as the weeks and months went on. I got better at doing things the way it was taught, but what really motivated me was when I would "draw the way I want" without constructing figures out of shapes etc. My intuition for shape and proportion was FAR improved. My drawings never looked flat anymore.
I've always thought the 10 or 15 minute "limits" were never meant to be hard rules, but as a way to get you started for the day. Some days 10 minutes can feel like an hour, other days it feels like a second. For the former you can just stop then since you're likely not having fun, and the latter you can keep going because you're probably enjoying it!
That is true actually. The 10 minute rule is based off a productivity trick that focuses more on STARTING something and going from there. Starting usually is the hardest thing for a lot of people, so the low stakes time helps get people going on good days and for bad days they at least can tell themselves they did SOMETHING. ...I honestly thought that was obvious until this video. lol [then again I've binged a TON of productivity videos alongside art]
It looks like there's drastic improvement, considering line confidence, line weight, overall shape composition. Far beyond beginner imo. The difference is that Pewds only drew 3/4th portraits and Rinke did a gauntlet of many different subjects. If Rinke did a 2nd phase like Pewds, he'd probably be better at drawing many different things.
"Pewds only drew 3/4th portraits " For me personally I also find 3/4 portraits easier to do because its less reliant on symmetry to look good. Mistakes with feature placement are much more obvious on a straight front view. Like the eyes being a slightly different shape will stick out like a sore thumb. On a 3/4th they should be appear as a different shape and size and you don't really have to be exact for the image to be believable, especially concerning stylization like anime.
"5 hours over 30 days" and "5 hours over 2 days" are actually wildly different things. Your brain has more time to process what you've learned when you space your learning out more.
@@LoveYourself-318 And PewDiePie watched tutorials, read manga, and watched anime, so he also had some amount of that to learn from also, so that's another major difference.
Was going to say the same thing. Specifically its the daily repetition. Reinforcing what you learn daily, will commit to long term memory allowing you to build on it. This is why in any other subject "cramming" for tests is not a really good strategy. If you have a Quiz friday and it's monday. Spending 1 hour a day covering the material will be far more valuable to you than spending 4 hours thursday night.
@@tsdobbi I did not think I would feel attacked like this from a comment. ;( I want to learn math in 20 minutes, but I'm willing to spend the 30 days to learn art xD
It took artists thousands of years to figure out how perspective worked. Bro just maths it into existence! Jokes aside, this is why everyone should learn art. Different minds process things in interesting ways and that is a cool contribution to processing the world around us as artists.
Incredible progress! And honestly the approaches he takes are unique "Drawing like a child" is quite literally how we all start regardless of age. It's not that its childish- but it's our own baseline motor and observation skills at work. (Love the tigers) (and the Shaun at "day 9" made me chuckle, ty editor)
An artist using the dreaded math? HERESY! In all seriousness though this was a super interesting experiment and I think his improvements are actually quite large even in just a couple of days. Also the fact he learned all this without any help or tutorials is even more impressive. I think even the most newb of artists will probably try to find some kind of helpful tutorial, drawing book, or literally anything to help them figure things out. Him figuring out how to draw from reference had to have felt like a huge weight off his shoulders while drawing and I don't really get the math on the rubix cube but if it helped him understand then it was worthwhile.
11:38 his mindset and method is actually similar to something i saw in a book called "The Complete Guide to Illustration & Design Techniques and materials"
11:18 When you dont understand teacher method to solve the equation, and in response, make your own.💀 True and relatable by the way, that's how i pass every my math exam.
Rinke’s way of thinking is actually super impressive, feels like that thing in shows where the main character’s “hopeless/hidden skill” is actually super op 😭 I’d love to see more content with your partner included tho! He seems very interesting!
As someone who works in the same industry as Rinke and also mainly a math student, i can say my art journey is quite similar in learning to this video. I actually tried drawing for a 100 days after seeing the pewdiepie video. Prior to this i had some experience in 3d software and video editting from school class but never drawing. It took me awhile to learn the programs and the hotkeys, i also did a lot of measurements but instead of a box i did it with an action figurine. I held it in my arm and noticed like oh if i rotated it 45 degrees the proportions of the hallmarks are relatively the same but the shapes are different and if i go further than that then certain body parts begin to distortion and take a larger proportion. I've already passed the 100 day mark and made a short animation video recently which is the result of those 100 days from more or less winging it.
I found oriday's video about the "blind" method really useful. It's called The Fastest Way to Improve Your Art in 1 Hour. After 5 days of using it my progress has been phenomonal. Even if it's drawing one character from memeory. Didn't actually follow his instructions one to one, just the general gist of tracing a piece of work, using reference, drawing blind, and repeating those 3 steps 3 times. That ended up more like 5 hours if not more. Tho I think the general approach of that would help anyone anywhere.
OMLLL I LITERALLY THOUGHT OF DOING THE MEASURMENT THING WITH BOXES TOO WHEN I STARTED DRAWING BOXES 😭😭😭😭😭 LIKE HAVING THE PRESICE MEASUREMENTS IS SUPER CONVENIENT OKAYY
THIS!! T.T I feel like having some kind of mathematically ideal blueprint makes stylizing and pushing the physical boundaries to their extremes much easier (especially well done in spiderman media imo) TuT So glad I'm not alone with this
Never in my life that i have thought that you will have to use math in art. I was proven wrong! One of the coolest ways to understand boxes. Hats off to you, Rinke!
I mean a lot of it is. The thing is in art we generally just train ourselves to intuit into the ballpark instead of "doing the math". Unless you are an architect, then you probably do the math.
12:55 was like a bombshell to me, I still like the video and I think it has good takeaways but I feel like this completely changes the parameters. I'm gonna watch it again with that in mind.
His ability to just move on from drawings he didn't like puts Rinke ahead of the curve compared to most artists I know (including me). Honestly, that particular ability feels like the hardest to pick up!
10:21 this is so true. I can get a reference for a jacket to put it on an oc and suddenly I notice the drawstrings have a pattern, or when I’m drawing a character and suddenly I notice the different colours in their eyes. It’s so cool
Another great video! I think a mathematical approach to art (or at least perspective) is probably weird to some, but what little I know about art history would suggest that it's not necessarily uncommon. The most obvious person who comes to mind is Da Vinci.
I totally see where he’s coming from though. I used to do this method called gridlining, where you put a grid over your reference photo plus your own artwork and try to copy the coordinates. I still measure a lot in fixed distances in my head, if you will.
Had to stop the video halfway because FELLOW LEFTIE - you don't see many of us in the wild that made me happy. I personally draw as a little party trick, I think at this point I can draw and another person can clearly see the idea I am going for. I would like to improve though because I'm slowly gaining an interest in character design and I can't really express my bigger ideas with my style so I've been watching for a couple months now! Love the videos, keep up the good work! 👍👍
I used to draw a lot as a kid, haven't drawn in years and I'm 33. Was inspired by PewDiePie's videos and decided to try a 30 day challenge myself. On Day 27 and although I can see improvements, it is not a staggering difference visually, but there is a difference in terms of how I actually "see" things now and how I try to approach drawing something from "memory." I still suck ass at perspective though and I always have lol Idk what to do to improve on that. It's really fun if you don't have expectations I think. Just happy to be drawing and getting better little by little. I want to create manga so I'm learning to draw to be able to storyboard better in order to better collaborate with a legit manga artist hopefully in the future
When I heard at the end she said it was 5 hours over two days, it seemed like a pretty big flaw. For me at least, having time to let my brain process things and sleep it over feels like half my growth. I started a few months ago but I'm basically in the same boat as you. It'll be different for different people of course, and it was cool to see someone else starting from scratch, so I don't think it detracts much (if at all) from the video. That was just the thing that stood out the most from my own experience so far. Your goal to storyboard and collab with (other) artists sounds awesome!
I had fun drawing in school, cause I never saw what others drew on the net. Then after graduation I did, and never drew, outside of anatomy studies, ever again. No fun if what you do is total crap in comparison. Why even try wasting years along the line, just to be still worse than all those who were better before or younger ones that have the free time?
@@CounterfittXIII I mean if you look at it from another perspective then it is highlighting that practicing your butt off without thinking much doesn't help all that much + you do actually learn during downtime. Oftentimes newer artists stress way too much over practice and start getting super nervous if they miss a few days
Tbh I think closing one eye might help you understand perspective a bit more! Not being able to see out of one eye myself gave me an easier time than some of my peers.
@@CounterfittXIII For me it also seemed a flaw that she denied him instructions and the like as well. Only a few people learn to draw without any guides or some sort of teacher - even if it's a lecturer from youtube videos.
I would love to see a tutorial from Rinke on his approach to boxes. I feel like it could improve my boxes and understanding of perspective even if I fail to memorize all that math. (I should probably know that math already but I have just finished my degree and have zero energy left to calculate that myself).
This was interesting & it was fun seeing his line of thought as time went on, but changing the timescale changes the whole experiment. Having multiple drawing sessions in the same hour for multiple hours is a very different experience than just having 1 short session a day. What you've shown in how much you can improve if you have 3+ hours a day to practice.
Hey heads up as someone who has and stay with me now, a lot of experience is sports and training i have some tips. 1.) Doing 10-15 minutes a day is great but only whem working om a specific skill when trying to do full drawing it is too much with not enough time 2.) Its better to do 10 hours over a week than 20 over a couple days because it lets your brain absorb the information you gained better 3.) Some of the best work outs when you are trying to get better at a sport is not the workout that tires you physically but mentally 4.) If you want to get good at something spend an hour or so every day and I know this is a lot but that does not mean it has to be active work, watching tutorials, looking at art to see what they do right and so on 5.) What i have found helps me improve super fast with just about anything is to make sure im physically able (being able to draw the boxes and circles and lines) then to watch videos to figure out what to do and then combine them in full drawing or practice.
Also secret 6th tip if you don't enjoy it you won't do it so if you can try and figure out a way to enjoy the stuff you don't like but need to do like making a game out of it.
Hell yeah, big math fan here, I love numbers. "eye is halfway through the head", "figure is 7-8 heads tall", This sort of numbers based information really gets my learning gears turning
Yes, yes they can. It depends on time invested and approach and just what level exactly is the goal, but most likely yes. Many people are familiar with some concepts used in drawing from previous experiences in their lives. I remember my physics classes in like 7th grade having detailed explanations of how shadows and light reflections work. I also had perspective covered by school classes at some point. I'd often forget tools like rulers for geometry classes so I'd end up practicing arm control for a pencil use. During the breaks some of the guys in the class were legitimately entertaining themselves by competing in drawing the best circles by hand(!!!!) Many people have already developed some of the basic skills needed to draw. They just need to apply them.
To be fair, it's not out of the question for some artists to view things in a mathalical way. Leonardo Da Vinci actually was very math oriated and a lot of his art is done through obversation and math depending on what he was working on. (That's why they are known as "renissance men" during the Renissance because said artist would be known to have the understanding of every field because it's their love of learning and discovering that put them in that position), So I'm not even upset that Rinke's method because I figured "Oh, he's one of those people that would apply math to art, okay, cool. That's actually really valid as that's how some artists process the shapes and whatnot." I'm going to go even as far to say, you can argue grid transfering is actually a mathiacel way to get a reference image bigger. Maybe what he should probably do to practice porportions more is actually try the grid method so his mind could actually process it better. Perspective is also pretty mathalical as well (Discovered in the Renissance as well through mathical means as well. Reason why the vanishing points lines are the way they are because it was done with math.) Though I do feel like the experiment didn't do as well as you were hoping because the lack of "lesson" you gave him. Unless he specificly told you he didn't want to have any lessons. If a person isn't artisticly incline it probably help in teaching the bear basics (Point, shape, line, and put in space and perspective in there to start them out with) and then work to their strengths. Math inclined people would understand better if you put it in mathalogical terms. You suggeting him drawing pokemon was a start though and brought him to the right direction because it gave him a way to process shape and form where he feels less fustrated and understand the boxes his way. But he got to that point pretty well so I wouldn't hyper focus too much on it. Maybe in the future you guys should try the experiment again but leaning into his tenecies for math and it may go smoother.
It was super interesting that he figured out functional alternatives on his own. Tho yeah he was sabotaged a bit in that way. And at 9:30, if he traced the original piece, then compared and corrected the original. And then redrew it he'd quickly find out his flaws and mistakes. And he could draw from memory to see how much of those notes stuck. - this is the bare bones from oriday's video about 'blind' method. Trace, reference, imagination, repeat till you got it. Haha, I just did that the past week and I learned a ton from doing that 3 times. Still a bit amazed how easy it was.
I think you can improve a surprising amount as a total beginner, but it requires putting consistent amount of hours weekly and well structured materials. Like with perspective you can spend ages reinventing the wheel or just have someone explain you in detail that in order to draw a box in 3-point perspective you just have look for the Y inside the box and have other edges taper towards where those lines point towards.
As an Engineer myself. This video was so much fun. I love his system of coordinates to understand perspective. I agree its a little cold and calculated, but makes very logical and rational since. I have done the same thing in my head, just with circles, squares, triangles, etc... Have I written all this down? No. However, it makes sense to do this. With a enough practice I have begun taking a lot of 2d perspective/grid ideas, and turned them into 3D ones.
We need to see what he continues to do! He is pushing the boundaries of how we comprehend drawing as a whole; and vindicates my desire for more vector programs / 3D programs to have SolidWorks features like tangents, parallels, and perpendicularity. XD Not to mention it's an easy UA-cam video name: "My partner invented a new way to draw" Then the thumbnail is something you draw with just "Math" written our (or the "it's all math? Always has been" meme) But also someone please tell this man that all art can be seen and built out of simple geometry like circles, squares, triangles. I can't begin to explain how much that revelation improved my art and ability to comprehend proportions. Or as Trent Kaniuga says "We will start by drawing the fundamental building block of the universe -- basketballs"
The box coordinate system is pretty brilliant, especially if he has aphantasia! I'm pretty mathematically inclined, but I don't know that I would be able to come up with that because I have a pretty solid visual imagination, but I'd like to learn more about it because it seems like a cool tool, and I like having a large, diverse toolbox of skills. You never know when having it will come in handy, and it can really expand your perspective, which is always good.
I suck at math so seeing someone use math to draw makes my brain hurt but I'm also impressed af too. I also think Rinki did a great job, I need to start setting time to just practice but it's so hard to focus drawing things I don't have interest in so I see why he had issues drawing without any real interest. Maybe if he has interest in art now maybe he'd like technical or designer art? Since he incorporates math.
Rinke and pikat REALLY represents how skills are divided in art. Rinke was actually drawn in black and white which yields his personality as someone that likes deterministic skills. I also could mathematically solve the perspective issue coding a rotating cube representation on python from scratch, so I feel represented by Rinke lol. (See about it at 3D projection and 3D rotation matrix on Wikipedia).
I just started drawing and Rinke is so real. I encountered some of the same problems he did so it's nice to hear the special ways he solved them and ways I can try to incorporate that into my learning.
I think it would be fun to teach him to draw himself and you in that styles you showed here! Or how to do a little 3 panel comic or something. It would be like having little action figures and a playset and might spark some fun ideas for him. Having to draw a 3 panel joke comic in 1st grade changed my life forever haha
Rinke low-key reminding me about my theory that the bulk of artists who don't go into art end up in the medical field. (PS. You should have him look up the guy who started doing full art pieces in Excel, Horiuchi Tatsuo. Might be inspiring for him. ovo)
Memorizing coordinates to figure out perspective instead of, y'know, learning perspective is wild. I consider myself fairly far on the end fo the analytical/intuition spectrum, but I never would have even thought of doing that. Sure it is technically possible and if you interpolate between different (similar) perspectives it should be pretty granular, but it still feels like you skip over an important part of actually understanding what you are doing and might strugle again when you try to apply the same concept to a different shape than a box? Obviously great tool if it allows Rinke to start drawing something and after more (hypothetical, doesn't sound like he will keep going?) enough repetition discard the crutch, because he learned it by osmosis, but wild to even consider it.
Perspective is some of my biggest weaknesses and all I've learnt about it is mathematical stuff I calculated to understand... Serious question now: How do you learn perspective when not by doing the math?? Any advice/recommendations on that would be very much appreciated! I feel like being slowed down by having to mathematically undergird EVERYTHING... It helped a lot with my coloring skills (but honestly that's my strength and fav topic so it's easier for me to learn about; A few months ago I even delivered a 45mins presetation about different color models and their mathematical background and the "theory" of chosing colors bc my teacher asked me to 😬) as well as understanding composition but I feel like it hinders my growth in terms of perspective ;_;
@@L0rar3 perspective is all about spacial awareness which is trained by practicing and visualizing objects in a 3d space. If you want to draw a human figure, you will have to figure out how to draw the human form with cubes and cylinders. You must be aware of the horizon line and how the vanishing points work. There are videos out there, but to put it simply , you have to think in 3d and not "where the next line goes"
From my own experience measuring proportions and perspective through math is the only thing I could’ve done to improve. I have aphantasia, so visualizing things in 3D is a no-go for me. Instead of visualizing the image I’m forced to analyze and observe the properties of it, then recreate the object based on those properties. It’s kind of like a computer creating something through the code it was given. In this case, I am both the programmer (seeing what environmental traits affect the object and measuring how it affects the object) and the computer (redrawing the object under the effect of the environment). If he’s going to draw non-cube objects, he would probably draw a cube around it (like how a hitbox in games wrap around objects), transform the cube based on the camera’s FOV, then draw the object within that cube using the 20/40/50% method for proportions he used in the video. That’s how I “visualize” it, and it works. Only drawback is that it’s conscious thought intensive. But what else could I do for a person with aphantasia? Ngl tho, I was shocked to see my own method of measuring perspective here. I thought nobody else did that…
@@Rick-rl9qqI'm one of those people who physically can't visualize things in a 3d space and has to math it out to rotate it so like yeah I have been drawing for a LONG-ASS time though so it's more intuitive than before but I still can't just go into my head and use that Though I've also acknowledged this means if I don't put all my heart/soul/time into it I'm not gonna get that great at art
I found your channel last month, and only watched this video today but the more mathematical aprroach to drawing honestly feels much more intuitive to me, and I find it easier to learn it in this way, thanks.
i dont think his cube math is much different from us dividing a guy into 8 segments or cutting a head in half to find the eyeline, id definitely let him cook with that one, seems like hes getting somewhere
I had an interest in drawing when I started 3 months ago, and I'd say I managed to make some stuff I'm pretty happy with. I've done at least one doodle a day anywhere from 20 min to an hour and I'm glad I kept it up. Videos like this one are inspiring.
My man going math-mode to draw boxes is one of the coolest flexes I've seen. I'm a shape thinker so I solved things like drawing boxes by literally creating a cube in my head and rotating it like if I was using Blender. Someone solving the problem with math sounds so alien and cool at the same time for me
I think part of the 10 minutes 30 days is also the time to let things sink in. the lessons you learned though drawing and new ways to look at the world. you can start building a visual reference unknowinly.
I used to be good at math and enjoyed it, but I basically stopped doing it entirely after highschool. I really really want to understand and try Rinke's math method as it seems really cool.
13:00 I'm pretty sure this is a huge difference maker. Your brain needs time to let things sink in, and in all the spare time you'll be not only consciously thinking about it at times, looking at your environment differently, being generally interested in the subject even if you're not drawing... but also subconsciously, your brain is processing.
That sort of mathematical approach is pretty necessary in understanding advanced perspective afaik. Don’t be too scared art students, it’s nothing too bad once you break it down
This is awesome, but sleep is the way people learn. 5 hours over two days is not remotely close to 5 hours over 30 days, but really encouraging to see the progress!
As a mathematician I sometimes have this grid structure as well. If I draw something with a strict perspective it really helps. I didn't memorize all of the proportions though.
the math side is actually a pretty good foundation if he ever wants to do architecture or backgrounds, not to mention being able to get the exact same box you want can be helpful because if you can draw something inside of a box, you can become a perspective/foreshortening guru
i think drawing everyday for 10 min is important for the experiment because you sleep and try to remember what you did yesterday it would feel more natural like a routine like sleeping and eating and when you feel like drawing more than 10 min a day thats the gain well thats what i'm trying to do
It's easier to understand when you put it in the perspective of any other subject. Lets say someone has a math quiz Friday and its Monday. Who is going to do better on the quiz? The person that does practice problems 30 minutes a day for 4 days or the person that does practice problems for 2 hours, one day? Having the repeated refreshers is going to reinforce the material. Even if less time is spent each session. You simply aren't going to retain the knowledge well with less repetition. It simply isn't just about total time, it's about repetition.
5:14 architectures. it's something I have adopted into, since I can't see 3D. thanks for the revision of my math class xD. edit: it's something many do automatically to. instead of math they just think "this portion is less".
Back in high school (over a decade ago) I used a grid system to draw a photo reference of friends on paper. Basically enlarge a photo by hand using pencil with the help of a ruler, protractor, and a calculator to ensure the proportion is consistent. I spent more time on the calculator than putting pencil on paper. Still is the most realistic pictures I've drawn. Never done it again because it was a pain!
I have a similar background to Rinke, I majored in mathematics and do data science for a living. However I have always wanted to learn how to draw but was too scared of doing so since I've never ever drawn in my life before. So Rinke has inspired me to just try it out. I still dk where I'm supposed to get the learning material tho. Oh also the method for boxes is honestly genius. Yeah it just makes sense.
Every person who learns to draw draws differently and learns in their own way. I think Rinke's approach is interesting as he took it from a mathical view rather than artistic. I think if he used that knowledge base to draw he could use it to calculate the distances uses to measure out different body proportions. Say the eye width apart is x distance between both eyes (typically artists say its one eye between, but he could actually measure). Basically Rinke could draw more what he knows rather than what he sees.
Omg I finally feel understood T.T I did the math with perspective as well and found it super helpful to combine the precision of mathematical theory with "plain" practice It's like having a blueprint you practice to tweak just as much that it doesn't unrealistically fall out of the physically impossible (aka "stylizing"; spiderman does this amazingly) Perspective is something I tried to understand by observing for such a long time that math just felt more simple and I still like to imagine the points as vectors in a 3d matrix 😬 ESPECIALLY true for the "how do lengths/distances behave in the perception of a different angle" I couldn't replicate the dimesions/proportions of a shape confidentally without knowing the mathematical background for the foreshortening 😬 That being said: I'm glad to not be alone with feeling lost when not having some kind of mathematical reference point 😭 Greetings and thanku to your partner for making me feel less lonely with this :,D
I've been doing the same thing! I'm drawing a Pokemon each day because it gives me something concrete and consistent, on top of any other drawing I do!
This video came at the right time for me, as I've been inspired to pick up drawing after years of lamenting that I couldn't do it. My current inspirations are you, Pewds, and VA11 Hall-A. I wanna see if I can get anywhere near as much improvement as Pewds, and although I don't think I will, I'm really hopeful (coping). The advice about ignoring mistakes was super important as it's something I struggled with as I'm drawing now and with the 3D animations that I usually do, focusing way too hard on getting the "perfect" movement that no one will notice.
Projections of a cube into a flat plane are actually really interesting, since the protection changes in some unintuitive ways under certain rotations. So having a background in math may actually help generalize how objects behave in the 2D plane when rotated in 3D space.
As someone who is hopeless at math, Rinke’s method for boxes is actually the coolest way I’ve seen someone figure out drawing boxes.
Omg for real. As someone who went to grad school for math and loves drawing anime… I am literally going to do the boxes from angles in the Cartesian coordinate system exercise. Dot grid notebooks are perfectly coming in handy for this!
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fun fact, before 3d modelling programs, that was the only way for u to make a 3D model using math and code. He is doing the equivalent of using ancient magic in a modern program
This guy is literally anime protagonist lvl solving problem.
Real, but I will always hate math lol.
I love that they did math to resolve the perspective issue. Great man.
Maybe he should try out (if he isn't already) graphics programming, considering his perspective grid-thinking.
4:47 DUDE LITERALLY SAID "THAT'S RIGHT, WE'RE DOING THE MATH NOW"
ya this is how I think will doing it
I started doing that for a perspective drawing I wanted to draw inside of a blueprint I made for a fictional city square, but like a lot of things I start, I didn't get anywhere near finishing. I probably haven't gone back to it since the day I started it.
Tbh, I am totally with him on that. Maths are always useful.
a lot of peoples actually try to do that, but whith experience and eye training they stop using it
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Rinke is built different. Give him enough time and he can draw the 9th dimension
He's like batman.
You just need to give him enough prep time
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@@Wonderhoy-erJUSTICE, FOR GOTHAM!!!!!
EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT HAHA
Bro is really from a different breed.
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Seeing a math enthusiast's approach drawing is the funniest shenanigans I've seen in a while. I swear, you could set up a whole social experiment to see how different professions affect how people approach drawing.
😂 YES I was dying laughing whenever a new technique was brought up.
indeed would be a great social experiment. Put it in different cultures and we have some primordial soup like results tbh xD
just imagine science and english majors lol
I want this video now
Yo! I would honestly love to see physics professors and mathematicians and such draw Pokémon from reference then memory
The fact that it’s actually only two days makes the growth more impressive to me. Because so much of learning a complex skill is shifting conscious effort into the unconscious, the spacing of practice over the course of a longer period of time is more meaningful than people realize.
100% agree. A big part of increasing a skill is not just practicing the skill but your brain processing in between practice times.
Yep, the results would be significantly different (better) if he had slept a night between each session.
Yea, I think letting what you do simmer and sink in works wonders. Obviously upping 10 min practice up to 30 or 1h is going to speed up your process. And when you really are feeling it, going for hours is even better. I think the minimum is the most important, so you never let "rust" accumulate.
Exactly this. Sleeping causes what you’ve learned that day to be internalized,
thru the fusion of newly formed connections in the brain.
Pewdiepie had ~30 nights of that advantage applied to his journey.
15 if you account for absolutely terrible sleep scheduling. Rinke had 1-3.
5hrs of drawing divided by a 30-day schedule,
is beginning to look like a viable amount of time/effort to put into the craft as a hobbyist.
@@LarryMonteforte Man, this sounds like working out. You destroy the muscle during the workout, and the actual growth happens during recovery afterwards. This makes so much more sense to me now. Artistic hypertrophy. Thank you!
Not looking at tutorials seemed bad from a efficiency perspective but finding out what he would do on is own is reaaally interesting
Yeah, seems like he was sabotaged a bit. But there are plenty of people who want to draw but aren't smart enough to seek advice and tips.
Tho this dude seems really smart, he figured out functional solutions to problems real quick.
@@Utrilusi mean you need to be figure out solutions on your own anyway,good exsample would me learning to modify japanese way of drawing furry snout and drawing hair using cursive lines
@@zhanucong4614 The best art advice I've gotten was from oridays' video fastest way to learn to draw in 1 hour.
That's basically study the refrence, and then draw it from memory, correct mistakes, take notes, draw from memory again, repeat till memory copy is satisfying, and then go do other fun stuff with the character you memorized.
It's like the 101 for learning to draw from imagination.
Tho it still needs some level of experience with fundamentals as constructing figures and characters with simple shapes and the like. Tho imo that can also be learned with that method.
@@Utrilusmost of tutorials I've watched has skipping a lot of parts because "it's trivial". Most of them didn't even say that you should draw line using your wrist not hand lmao, because "it's trivial". A lot of people who are advanced overestimate what most of beginners can do and it doesn't matter if it's physics, drawing, math, biology or idk history
The aproach he took for the boxes makes a lot of sense if your background is maths
Yeah if I ever properly learn how to draw, I'm definitely doing it like this lol
yeah same Rinki actually made me understand perspective
i think 2 days for all this practice actually makes it a lot different from 30 days of practice. with 30 days even if you are only getting 10 min a day you’re getting time to sleep everyday, which is usually super important in the learning process. I still think the amount learned in the 5 hours across two days is really impressive and some of his ideas are really smart but i feel somehow that he’d be even better in an actual 30 day long set up
100% agreed, an extended period of time really matters.
learning an instrument works the same. you can practice 4 hours a day for two days, but you won't improve as much as practicing one hour a day for a week.
(plus, doing it for longer lets you think about drawing even when you're not drawing)
Absolutely, this was my thought as well.
Yes I agree, with 30 days you're basically learning to draw by spaced repetition which is proved to be one of the best ways to memorize anything. And also Pewdiepie was always drawing the same thing, cute anime girl faces.
I'm a bit confused, wasn't this an actual 30 day set up? I've re-watched the beginning so many times for a set up information and scanned through the video. but the only thing I can go off of is the day counter at the top. So was this not really 30 days? it does display different days. leading up to 30 days. where did you get that it was fit into just 2 days?
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there's something just so endearing about the "looks like a child drew it" completed image... it really does look like a child drew it, but for some reason I like it anyway
Well, that's totally accurate though. Children don't have well trained fine motor skills, eye to hand coordination, or proprioception. Just like an adult beginner artist wouldn't.
I thought the exact same, I was like "oh cute". It really is endearing, low-key reminds me when ppl learn to speak a new language, just ppl learning something you're so used to it's smth you do unconsciously is really cute and endearing
Tbf Rinke would do really well in technical drawing if he wanted! My prof works as an architectural designer so mathing can be advantageous for learning perspective. If anything, I think the experiment solidified that anybody can learn to draw if they really put the effort. Great vid as always!
bro reinvented the math they use for 3D rendering to draw cubes. Huge respect o.O
His approach to perspective is very reminiscent of what artists did during the Italian Renaisance.
Edit: I agree with the more accurate descriptor of "drawing from memory"
Dude has some serious talent in observing. Like I’m serious. At day 13 he was able to draw such accurate ducks despite only started drawing. Yes, even with reference that is impressive. He’s able to make really good observation and is pretty good at comparing landmark. I think he really does have it inside him.
That or he’s really good at ducks.
I thought he could find out where he went wrong if he traced the drawing at 9:30, then compared, and corrected the original. And then redrew it.
He'd find all his mistakes and places he needs improvement right away.
In my opinion starting drawing with a blank slate as an adult, with a serious intent to learn to draw, could actually be a great benefit opposed to someone who maybe had a lot of experience drawing as a kid/teen and came back to it as an adult.
You aren't shackled with bad habits, shortcuts you may need to break to actually improve and can just whole heartedly embrace the process without any baggage.
I was one that came back to drawing as an adult after being "the kid in class that could draw" in my youth. However, I never read any how to draw books or anything and was exclusively self taught. I just drew and got better over the years I was in that position of my drawing ability would impress people that cant draw, but I couldn't sniff a pro's jock strap. I approaching it seriously, ate my pride and took a beginner drawing course.
What I found is that, I really struggled to do beginner things. Learning about shapes, perspective etc. I had a hard time wanting to stick to the process, because my drawings tended to come out worse when trying to do things the way the course instructed (like drawing an animal from reference constructing it with simple shapes). It would look far better if I just "drew what I saw" instead of trying to construct it. I really WANTED to say eff this, I draw worse doing this.
But I stuck with it as the weeks and months went on. I got better at doing things the way it was taught, but what really motivated me was when I would "draw the way I want" without constructing figures out of shapes etc. My intuition for shape and proportion was FAR improved. My drawings never looked flat anymore.
I've always thought the 10 or 15 minute "limits" were never meant to be hard rules, but as a way to get you started for the day. Some days 10 minutes can feel like an hour, other days it feels like a second. For the former you can just stop then since you're likely not having fun, and the latter you can keep going because you're probably enjoying it!
That is true actually. The 10 minute rule is based off a productivity trick that focuses more on STARTING something and going from there. Starting usually is the hardest thing for a lot of people, so the low stakes time helps get people going on good days and for bad days they at least can tell themselves they did SOMETHING.
...I honestly thought that was obvious until this video. lol
[then again I've binged a TON of productivity videos alongside art]
This guy is an anime main character bro. Only they would think of using MATH to draw art lol
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I'M FR GOING TO USE HIM AS INSPIRATION FOR A CHARACTER I'M CREATING-
@jayla5808 that seems so fitting
It looks like there's drastic improvement, considering line confidence, line weight, overall shape composition. Far beyond beginner imo. The difference is that Pewds only drew 3/4th portraits and Rinke did a gauntlet of many different subjects.
If Rinke did a 2nd phase like Pewds, he'd probably be better at drawing many different things.
"Pewds only drew 3/4th portraits " For me personally I also find 3/4 portraits easier to do because its less reliant on symmetry to look good. Mistakes with feature placement are much more obvious on a straight front view. Like the eyes being a slightly different shape will stick out like a sore thumb. On a 3/4th they should be appear as a different shape and size and you don't really have to be exact for the image to be believable, especially concerning stylization like anime.
"5 hours over 30 days" and "5 hours over 2 days" are actually wildly different things. Your brain has more time to process what you've learned when you space your learning out more.
Yeah I always hear consistency is the most important thing, 2 days isn't very consistent
@@LoveYourself-318 And PewDiePie watched tutorials, read manga, and watched anime, so he also had some amount of that to learn from also, so that's another major difference.
Was going to say the same thing. Specifically its the daily repetition. Reinforcing what you learn daily, will commit to long term memory allowing you to build on it.
This is why in any other subject "cramming" for tests is not a really good strategy. If you have a Quiz friday and it's monday. Spending 1 hour a day covering the material will be far more valuable to you than spending 4 hours thursday night.
@@tsdobbi I did not think I would feel attacked like this from a comment. ;( I want to learn math in 20 minutes, but I'm willing to spend the 30 days to learn art xD
It took artists thousands of years to figure out how perspective worked. Bro just maths it into existence!
Jokes aside, this is why everyone should learn art. Different minds process things in interesting ways and that is a cool contribution to processing the world around us as artists.
Developing the math required for that also took thousands of years. He had a significant advantage having already learned analytic geometry.
Incredible progress! And honestly the approaches he takes are unique
"Drawing like a child" is quite literally how we all start regardless of age.
It's not that its childish- but it's our own baseline motor and observation skills at work.
(Love the tigers)
(and the Shaun at "day 9" made me chuckle, ty editor)
rinke's method at understanding how boxes worked ASTONISHED me! genuinely one of the coolest (and impressive) ways ive ever seen
An artist using the dreaded math? HERESY! In all seriousness though this was a super interesting experiment and I think his improvements are actually quite large even in just a couple of days. Also the fact he learned all this without any help or tutorials is even more impressive. I think even the most newb of artists will probably try to find some kind of helpful tutorial, drawing book, or literally anything to help them figure things out. Him figuring out how to draw from reference had to have felt like a huge weight off his shoulders while drawing and I don't really get the math on the rubix cube but if it helped him understand then it was worthwhile.
11:38 his mindset and method is actually similar to something i saw in a book called "The Complete Guide to Illustration & Design Techniques and materials"
Rinke's box drawing method blew my mind, and shows how differently people perceive the same task. Congratulations my friend, you did a fantastic job!
11:54 when you talked about how he figured out the boxes, I was like- “HEY! That’s exactly what I do to do little sketches on my math pap- oh…”
When you are to overqualified for your job... 4:46
11:18 When you dont understand teacher method to solve the equation, and in response, make your own.💀
True and relatable by the way, that's how i pass every my math exam.
I like your funny words magic man
Rinke’s way of thinking is actually super impressive, feels like that thing in shows where the main character’s “hopeless/hidden skill” is actually super op 😭 I’d love to see more content with your partner included tho! He seems very interesting!
As someone who works in the same industry as Rinke and also mainly a math student, i can say my art journey is quite similar in learning to this video. I actually tried drawing for a 100 days after seeing the pewdiepie video. Prior to this i had some experience in 3d software and video editting from school class but never drawing. It took me awhile to learn the programs and the hotkeys, i also did a lot of measurements but instead of a box i did it with an action figurine. I held it in my arm and noticed like oh if i rotated it 45 degrees the proportions of the hallmarks are relatively the same but the shapes are different and if i go further than that then certain body parts begin to distortion and take a larger proportion. I've already passed the 100 day mark and made a short animation video recently which is the result of those 100 days from more or less winging it.
I found oriday's video about the "blind" method really useful. It's called The Fastest Way to Improve Your Art in 1 Hour.
After 5 days of using it my progress has been phenomonal. Even if it's drawing one character from memeory.
Didn't actually follow his instructions one to one, just the general gist of tracing a piece of work, using reference, drawing blind, and repeating those 3 steps 3 times. That ended up more like 5 hours if not more.
Tho I think the general approach of that would help anyone anywhere.
OMLLL I LITERALLY THOUGHT OF DOING THE MEASURMENT THING WITH BOXES TOO WHEN I STARTED DRAWING BOXES 😭😭😭😭😭
LIKE HAVING THE PRESICE MEASUREMENTS IS SUPER CONVENIENT OKAYY
THIS!! T.T
I feel like having some kind of mathematically ideal blueprint makes stylizing and pushing the physical boundaries to their extremes much easier (especially well done in spiderman media imo) TuT
So glad I'm not alone with this
Never in my life that i have thought that you will have to use math in art. I was proven wrong! One of the coolest ways to understand boxes. Hats off to you, Rinke!
I mean a lot of it is. The thing is in art we generally just train ourselves to intuit into the ballpark instead of "doing the math". Unless you are an architect, then you probably do the math.
@@tsdobbi dang
12:55 was like a bombshell to me, I still like the video and I think it has good takeaways but I feel like this completely changes the parameters. I'm gonna watch it again with that in mind.
His ability to just move on from drawings he didn't like puts Rinke ahead of the curve compared to most artists I know (including me). Honestly, that particular ability feels like the hardest to pick up!
10:21 this is so true. I can get a reference for a jacket to put it on an oc and suddenly I notice the drawstrings have a pattern, or when I’m drawing a character and suddenly I notice the different colours in their eyes. It’s so cool
Another great video! I think a mathematical approach to art (or at least perspective) is probably weird to some, but what little I know about art history would suggest that it's not necessarily uncommon. The most obvious person who comes to mind is Da Vinci.
I feel like his skillset leans towards architecture rather than character design, landscape, etc because he is so math minded. I am very impressed!
I totally see where he’s coming from though. I used to do this method called gridlining, where you put a grid over your reference photo plus your own artwork and try to copy the coordinates. I still measure a lot in fixed distances in my head, if you will.
Had to stop the video halfway because FELLOW LEFTIE - you don't see many of us in the wild that made me happy.
I personally draw as a little party trick, I think at this point I can draw and another person can clearly see the idea I am going for. I would like to improve though because I'm slowly gaining an interest in character design and I can't really express my bigger ideas with my style so I've been watching for a couple months now!
Love the videos, keep up the good work! 👍👍
I used to draw a lot as a kid, haven't drawn in years and I'm 33. Was inspired by PewDiePie's videos and decided to try a 30 day challenge myself. On Day 27 and although I can see improvements, it is not a staggering difference visually, but there is a difference in terms of how I actually "see" things now and how I try to approach drawing something from "memory." I still suck ass at perspective though and I always have lol Idk what to do to improve on that. It's really fun if you don't have expectations I think. Just happy to be drawing and getting better little by little. I want to create manga so I'm learning to draw to be able to storyboard better in order to better collaborate with a legit manga artist hopefully in the future
When I heard at the end she said it was 5 hours over two days, it seemed like a pretty big flaw. For me at least, having time to let my brain process things and sleep it over feels like half my growth. I started a few months ago but I'm basically in the same boat as you. It'll be different for different people of course, and it was cool to see someone else starting from scratch, so I don't think it detracts much (if at all) from the video. That was just the thing that stood out the most from my own experience so far. Your goal to storyboard and collab with (other) artists sounds awesome!
I had fun drawing in school, cause I never saw what others drew on the net. Then after graduation I did, and never drew, outside of anatomy studies, ever again. No fun if what you do is total crap in comparison. Why even try wasting years along the line, just to be still worse than all those who were better before or younger ones that have the free time?
@@CounterfittXIII I mean if you look at it from another perspective then it is highlighting that practicing your butt off without thinking much doesn't help all that much + you do actually learn during downtime. Oftentimes newer artists stress way too much over practice and start getting super nervous if they miss a few days
Tbh I think closing one eye might help you understand perspective a bit more! Not being able to see out of one eye myself gave me an easier time than some of my peers.
@@CounterfittXIII For me it also seemed a flaw that she denied him instructions and the like as well. Only a few people learn to draw without any guides or some sort of teacher - even if it's a lecturer from youtube videos.
That is an insane way of doing boxes and drawing in general...Math is weird. I hate but also love that it's everywhere.
Wow I see big improvements! Im currently doing a 100 day challenge. Really interesting to see someone actually start as a beginner
I loved the idea of using math to caculate perspective. Is a good way for him to associat things and a prety clever solution
This was such a cool video! Your partner made amazing progress and had such smart ideas!
I might try out art soon since my school holiday (60 days) are coming in like 2 months and you are really motivating me to start and try art
I would love to see a tutorial from Rinke on his approach to boxes. I feel like it could improve my boxes and understanding of perspective even if I fail to memorize all that math. (I should probably know that math already but I have just finished my degree and have zero energy left to calculate that myself).
This was interesting & it was fun seeing his line of thought as time went on, but changing the timescale changes the whole experiment.
Having multiple drawing sessions in the same hour for multiple hours is a very different experience than just having 1 short session a day. What you've shown in how much you can improve if you have 3+ hours a day to practice.
Hey heads up as someone who has and stay with me now, a lot of experience is sports and training i have some tips.
1.) Doing 10-15 minutes a day is great but only whem working om a specific skill when trying to do full drawing it is too much with not enough time
2.) Its better to do 10 hours over a week than 20 over a couple days because it lets your brain absorb the information you gained better
3.) Some of the best work outs when you are trying to get better at a sport is not the workout that tires you physically but mentally
4.) If you want to get good at something spend an hour or so every day and I know this is a lot but that does not mean it has to be active work, watching tutorials, looking at art to see what they do right and so on
5.) What i have found helps me improve super fast with just about anything is to make sure im physically able (being able to draw the boxes and circles and lines) then to watch videos to figure out what to do and then combine them in full drawing or practice.
Also secret 6th tip if you don't enjoy it you won't do it so if you can try and figure out a way to enjoy the stuff you don't like but need to do like making a game out of it.
"It looks like a child drew it"
I know this pain too well.... I'm still to this day trying to cure myself of this artistic disease.
Hell yeah, big math fan here, I love numbers. "eye is halfway through the head", "figure is 7-8 heads tall", This sort of numbers based information really gets my learning gears turning
Yes, yes they can. It depends on time invested and approach and just what level exactly is the goal, but most likely yes.
Many people are familiar with some concepts used in drawing from previous experiences in their lives. I remember my physics classes in like 7th grade having detailed explanations of how shadows and light reflections work. I also had perspective covered by school classes at some point. I'd often forget tools like rulers for geometry classes so I'd end up practicing arm control for a pencil use. During the breaks some of the guys in the class were legitimately entertaining themselves by competing in drawing the best circles by hand(!!!!)
Many people have already developed some of the basic skills needed to draw. They just need to apply them.
To be fair, it's not out of the question for some artists to view things in a mathalical way. Leonardo Da Vinci actually was very math oriated and a lot of his art is done through obversation and math depending on what he was working on. (That's why they are known as "renissance men" during the Renissance because said artist would be known to have the understanding of every field because it's their love of learning and discovering that put them in that position), So I'm not even upset that Rinke's method because I figured "Oh, he's one of those people that would apply math to art, okay, cool. That's actually really valid as that's how some artists process the shapes and whatnot." I'm going to go even as far to say, you can argue grid transfering is actually a mathiacel way to get a reference image bigger. Maybe what he should probably do to practice porportions more is actually try the grid method so his mind could actually process it better. Perspective is also pretty mathalical as well (Discovered in the Renissance as well through mathical means as well. Reason why the vanishing points lines are the way they are because it was done with math.)
Though I do feel like the experiment didn't do as well as you were hoping because the lack of "lesson" you gave him. Unless he specificly told you he didn't want to have any lessons. If a person isn't artisticly incline it probably help in teaching the bear basics (Point, shape, line, and put in space and perspective in there to start them out with) and then work to their strengths. Math inclined people would understand better if you put it in mathalogical terms. You suggeting him drawing pokemon was a start though and brought him to the right direction because it gave him a way to process shape and form where he feels less fustrated and understand the boxes his way. But he got to that point pretty well so I wouldn't hyper focus too much on it. Maybe in the future you guys should try the experiment again but leaning into his tenecies for math and it may go smoother.
It was super interesting that he figured out functional alternatives on his own. Tho yeah he was sabotaged a bit in that way.
And at 9:30, if he traced the original piece, then compared and corrected the original. And then redrew it he'd quickly find out his flaws and mistakes. And he could draw from memory to see how much of those notes stuck. - this is the bare bones from oriday's video about 'blind' method. Trace, reference, imagination, repeat till you got it.
Haha, I just did that the past week and I learned a ton from doing that 3 times. Still a bit amazed how easy it was.
Is it just me or Pikat's voice is just so so soothing and enjoyable.
so Rinke's first attempt in drawing resulted in a spread sheet!!! love the video
so interested in this, please do keep posted if this experiment continues
I think you can improve a surprising amount as a total beginner, but it requires putting consistent amount of hours weekly and well structured materials. Like with perspective you can spend ages reinventing the wheel or just have someone explain you in detail that in order to draw a box in 3-point perspective you just have look for the Y inside the box and have other edges taper towards where those lines point towards.
Rinke's methods are hilarious and creative by its own right which made me want to learn drawing.
also I really want to meet Rinke
I love Rinke. He's an engineer at heart.
As an Engineer myself. This video was so much fun. I love his system of coordinates to understand perspective. I agree its a little cold and calculated, but makes very logical and rational since. I have done the same thing in my head, just with circles, squares, triangles, etc...
Have I written all this down? No. However, it makes sense to do this.
With a enough practice I have begun taking a lot of 2d perspective/grid ideas, and turned them into 3D ones.
So this was actually him learning to draw in 2 days? Kinda goated ngl.
Dude improved more in 13 days than me in 2 months, great!
We need to see what he continues to do! He is pushing the boundaries of how we comprehend drawing as a whole; and vindicates my desire for more vector programs / 3D programs to have SolidWorks features like tangents, parallels, and perpendicularity. XD
Not to mention it's an easy UA-cam video name: "My partner invented a new way to draw"
Then the thumbnail is something you draw with just "Math" written our (or the "it's all math? Always has been" meme)
But also someone please tell this man that all art can be seen and built out of simple geometry like circles, squares, triangles. I can't begin to explain how much that revelation improved my art and ability to comprehend proportions. Or as Trent Kaniuga says "We will start by drawing the fundamental building block of the universe -- basketballs"
The box coordinate system is pretty brilliant, especially if he has aphantasia! I'm pretty mathematically inclined, but I don't know that I would be able to come up with that because I have a pretty solid visual imagination, but I'd like to learn more about it because it seems like a cool tool, and I like having a large, diverse toolbox of skills. You never know when having it will come in handy, and it can really expand your perspective, which is always good.
they look like old japanese drawings from when they believed in monsters and stuff, it's actually kinda nice to look at
I suck at math so seeing someone use math to draw makes my brain hurt but I'm also impressed af too. I also think Rinki did a great job, I need to start setting time to just practice but it's so hard to focus drawing things I don't have interest in so I see why he had issues drawing without any real interest. Maybe if he has interest in art now maybe he'd like technical or designer art? Since he incorporates math.
Rinke and pikat REALLY represents how skills are divided in art. Rinke was actually drawn in black and white which yields his personality as someone that likes deterministic skills. I also could mathematically solve the perspective issue coding a rotating cube representation on python from scratch, so I feel represented by Rinke lol. (See about it at 3D projection and 3D rotation matrix on Wikipedia).
Rinkie mastered prespective!! BILT DIFFERENT
I just started drawing and Rinke is so real. I encountered some of the same problems he did so it's nice to hear the special ways he solved them and ways I can try to incorporate that into my learning.
I think it would be fun to teach him to draw himself and you in that styles you showed here! Or how to do a little 3 panel comic or something. It would be like having little action figures and a playset and might spark some fun ideas for him. Having to draw a 3 panel joke comic in 1st grade changed my life forever haha
Rinke low-key reminding me about my theory that the bulk of artists who don't go into art end up in the medical field. (PS. You should have him look up the guy who started doing full art pieces in Excel, Horiuchi Tatsuo. Might be inspiring for him. ovo)
Memorizing coordinates to figure out perspective instead of, y'know, learning perspective is wild.
I consider myself fairly far on the end fo the analytical/intuition spectrum, but I never would have even thought of doing that. Sure it is technically possible and if you interpolate between different (similar) perspectives it should be pretty granular, but it still feels like you skip over an important part of actually understanding what you are doing and might strugle again when you try to apply the same concept to a different shape than a box?
Obviously great tool if it allows Rinke to start drawing something and after more (hypothetical, doesn't sound like he will keep going?) enough repetition discard the crutch, because he learned it by osmosis, but wild to even consider it.
Perspective is some of my biggest weaknesses and all I've learnt about it is mathematical stuff I calculated to understand... Serious question now: How do you learn perspective when not by doing the math?? Any advice/recommendations on that would be very much appreciated!
I feel like being slowed down by having to mathematically undergird EVERYTHING... It helped a lot with my coloring skills (but honestly that's my strength and fav topic so it's easier for me to learn about; A few months ago I even delivered a 45mins presetation about different color models and their mathematical background and the "theory" of chosing colors bc my teacher asked me to 😬) as well as understanding composition but I feel like it hinders my growth in terms of perspective ;_;
@@L0rar3 perspective is all about spacial awareness which is trained by practicing and visualizing objects in a 3d space. If you want to draw a human figure, you will have to figure out how to draw the human form with cubes and cylinders. You must be aware of the horizon line and how the vanishing points work. There are videos out there, but to put it simply , you have to think in 3d and not "where the next line goes"
From my own experience measuring proportions and perspective through math is the only thing I could’ve done to improve. I have aphantasia, so visualizing things in 3D is a no-go for me. Instead of visualizing the image I’m forced to analyze and observe the properties of it, then recreate the object based on those properties. It’s kind of like a computer creating something through the code it was given. In this case, I am both the programmer (seeing what environmental traits affect the object and measuring how it affects the object) and the computer (redrawing the object under the effect of the environment).
If he’s going to draw non-cube objects, he would probably draw a cube around it (like how a hitbox in games wrap around objects), transform the cube based on the camera’s FOV, then draw the object within that cube using the 20/40/50% method for proportions he used in the video. That’s how I “visualize” it, and it works. Only drawback is that it’s conscious thought intensive. But what else could I do for a person with aphantasia?
Ngl tho, I was shocked to see my own method of measuring perspective here. I thought nobody else did that…
@@Rick-rl9qqI'm one of those people who physically can't visualize things in a 3d space and has to math it out to rotate it so like yeah
I have been drawing for a LONG-ASS time though so it's more intuitive than before but I still can't just go into my head and use that
Though I've also acknowledged this means if I don't put all my heart/soul/time into it I'm not gonna get that great at art
Make this man do a captcha PLEASE 🙏🏾
I found your channel last month, and only watched this video today but the more mathematical aprroach to drawing honestly feels much more intuitive to me, and I find it easier to learn it in this way, thanks.
i dont think his cube math is much different from us dividing a guy into 8 segments or cutting a head in half to find the eyeline, id definitely let him cook with that one, seems like hes getting somewhere
The coordinates thing is the most engineer-like thing I can imagine one doing. I'll probably do the same.
I had an interest in drawing when I started 3 months ago, and I'd say I managed to make some stuff I'm pretty happy with. I've done at least one doodle a day anywhere from 20 min to an hour and I'm glad I kept it up. Videos like this one are inspiring.
My man going math-mode to draw boxes is one of the coolest flexes I've seen. I'm a shape thinker so I solved things like drawing boxes by literally creating a cube in my head and rotating it like if I was using Blender. Someone solving the problem with math sounds so alien and cool at the same time for me
man this video brought me back to my childhood with those drawings and I mean it in the best way possible
I think part of the 10 minutes 30 days is also the time to let things sink in. the lessons you learned though drawing and new ways to look at the world. you can start building a visual reference unknowinly.
I used to be good at math and enjoyed it, but I basically stopped doing it entirely after highschool. I really really want to understand and try Rinke's math method as it seems really cool.
Rinke did such a good job! The progress is visible and every drawing is very charming)
My man got the math into the art, legend! I do a similar thing with angles, proportions and negative spaces.
13:00 I'm pretty sure this is a huge difference maker. Your brain needs time to let things sink in, and in all the spare time you'll be not only consciously thinking about it at times, looking at your environment differently, being generally interested in the subject even if you're not drawing... but also subconsciously, your brain is processing.
That sort of mathematical approach is pretty necessary in understanding advanced perspective afaik. Don’t be too scared art students, it’s nothing too bad once you break it down
Tinke's ayanokoji lvl of thinking skills is amazing.
the way he draws and thinks about boxes is actually FASCINATING to me its so awesome
This is awesome, but sleep is the way people learn. 5 hours over two days is not remotely close to 5 hours over 30 days, but really encouraging to see the progress!
his lines did improve i am impressed :0
Well now I want a tutorial for that numeric based box drawing system lol
As a mathematician I sometimes have this grid structure as well. If I draw something with a strict perspective it really helps. I didn't memorize all of the proportions though.
the math side is actually a pretty good foundation if he ever wants to do architecture or backgrounds, not to mention being able to get the exact same box you want can be helpful because if you can draw something inside of a box, you can become a perspective/foreshortening guru
i think drawing everyday for 10 min is important for the experiment
because you sleep and try to remember what you did yesterday
it would feel more natural like a routine
like sleeping and eating
and when you feel like drawing more than 10 min a day thats the gain
well thats what i'm trying to do
It's easier to understand when you put it in the perspective of any other subject.
Lets say someone has a math quiz Friday and its Monday. Who is going to do better on the quiz? The person that does practice problems 30 minutes a day for 4 days or the person that does practice problems for 2 hours, one day?
Having the repeated refreshers is going to reinforce the material. Even if less time is spent each session. You simply aren't going to retain the knowledge well with less repetition.
It simply isn't just about total time, it's about repetition.
5:14 architectures. it's something I have adopted into, since I can't see 3D. thanks for the revision of my math class xD.
edit: it's something many do automatically to. instead of math they just think "this portion is less".
for anyone wondering perspective was actually first invented with math using calculus. I think it was in the 1400s or 1500s. It's pretty cool.
Back in high school (over a decade ago) I used a grid system to draw a photo reference of friends on paper. Basically enlarge a photo by hand using pencil with the help of a ruler, protractor, and a calculator to ensure the proportion is consistent. I spent more time on the calculator than putting pencil on paper. Still is the most realistic pictures I've drawn. Never done it again because it was a pain!
I have a similar background to Rinke, I majored in mathematics and do data science for a living. However I have always wanted to learn how to draw but was too scared of doing so since I've never ever drawn in my life before. So Rinke has inspired me to just try it out. I still dk where I'm supposed to get the learning material tho.
Oh also the method for boxes is honestly genius. Yeah it just makes sense.
Every person who learns to draw draws differently and learns in their own way. I think Rinke's approach is interesting as he took it from a mathical view rather than artistic. I think if he used that knowledge base to draw he could use it to calculate the distances uses to measure out different body proportions. Say the eye width apart is x distance between both eyes (typically artists say its one eye between, but he could actually measure). Basically Rinke could draw more what he knows rather than what he sees.
Omg I finally feel understood T.T
I did the math with perspective as well and found it super helpful to combine the precision of mathematical theory with "plain" practice
It's like having a blueprint you practice to tweak just as much that it doesn't unrealistically fall out of the physically impossible (aka "stylizing"; spiderman does this amazingly)
Perspective is something I tried to understand by observing for such a long time that math just felt more simple and I still like to imagine the points as vectors in a 3d matrix 😬
ESPECIALLY true for the "how do lengths/distances behave in the perception of a different angle" I couldn't replicate the dimesions/proportions of a shape confidentally without knowing the mathematical background for the foreshortening 😬
That being said: I'm glad to not be alone with feeling lost when not having some kind of mathematical reference point 😭
Greetings and thanku to your partner for making me feel less lonely with this :,D
I've been doing the same thing! I'm drawing a Pokemon each day because it gives me something concrete and consistent, on top of any other drawing I do!
I've been watching drawing videos all day and this one has been my favorite! Awesome work ^^
This video came at the right time for me, as I've been inspired to pick up drawing after years of lamenting that I couldn't do it. My current inspirations are you, Pewds, and VA11 Hall-A. I wanna see if I can get anywhere near as much improvement as Pewds, and although I don't think I will, I'm really hopeful (coping). The advice about ignoring mistakes was super important as it's something I struggled with as I'm drawing now and with the 3D animations that I usually do, focusing way too hard on getting the "perfect" movement that no one will notice.
Projections of a cube into a flat plane are actually really interesting, since the protection changes in some unintuitive ways under certain rotations. So having a background in math may actually help generalize how objects behave in the 2D plane when rotated in 3D space.