the first time i watched Foxcatcher i didn't like it but something remained with me i couldn't figure out and then I watched it again and it's Steve Carrell as Du Pont that is just phenomenal.
Carell should’ve won an Oscar for that role. I had grown up watching The Office, loved 40 Year Old Virgin and Anchorman, so I was really skeptical of seeing Carell in a serious role like that, but man did he knock it out of the park.
I have to give Kurt Angle mad respect for winning gold in 96.his coach was unalive and he had a severe broken neck.that would have made most people miss the Olympics.he definitely preserves through hardships in his wrestling career.
1:54 THANK YOU KURT! I’m glad someone finally called out the former FBI agent for his cowardice. Du Pont more than likely would’ve shot Dave at least once, but you’d think a trained FBI agent would’ve been able to either wrestle the gun away from Du Pont or at least restrain him enough until help arrived. Dave may have died anyway from the one shot, but then again maybe not if Du Pont’s bodyguard hadn’t been such a coward.
a lot of people label him a coward for his actions. I've tried to understand the situation as it happened in real time. I can't speak for anyone since I wasn't there. Pat Goodale did do the right thing by testifying for the prosecution, unlike Bulgarian wrestler Valentin Jordanov.
The agent was part of the murder. Accomplice, accessory, conspiracy, whatever level it is. Cowardice would assume, at the end of the day, that he was not part of the attack.
The more I listen to this story, the mental health experts are right. The guys living on the ranch were just enablers that didn't want the party to end. Ask anyone on the inside about the situation, they continually downplay him. However you speak to ppl on the outside who knew him and they all talk about how creepy and odd he was. Kurt Angle: "we just didn't see it, we didn't know what mental illness was" Mark Coleman: he was a really creepy, creepy dude and he was hard to be around
Kurt takes responsibility. He said in other interviews that obviously it's truly John's fault but all the wrestlers are at fault for excusing John's erratic behavior.
They knew he was eccentric and they knew he had drug issues. But it’s a leap to jump to seeing somebody as a murder versus being weird and eccentric. That’s what they mean when they say that. They knew he was odd but that’s what they wrote it off as - likely because they didn’t want to see it poorly. These were guys who had a dependency on John which he wanted and naturally when someone is your lifeline like that you want to see past their flaws. So it isn’t hard to see why they’d try to look past his oddities like most anybody in the same scenario would. Despite being an odd duck he hadn’t hurt anybody for years and years despite being an odd ball. The idea they should’ve foreseen what was to come is pretty silly to have expected. They saw John as many would as an odd ball but that being it. It’s easy for outsiders who had no skin in it to speak in hindsight of how everyone should’ve known. But the reality is that was a huge leap to have made.
Of course they wanted money. That isn’t a big revelation. It was a bunch of wrestlers in a sport where there are infamously little options to make income using an eccentric rich guy to keep themselves afloat. He was their benefactor & leaving would’ve been a financially ludicrous decision to make.
@@Slop_Dogg who said it was a big revelation lol? This was a story I was new to and I left a comment. You act as though I had some divine epiphany. Think you may be overstating my comment by a mile
The problem with this interview is the movie is incredibly inaccurate and misleading. I know Kurt was trying to back me up but he wasn't there when I was there and it's damaging to my name and reputation to say the idiot director Bennett Miller made this movie accurate. Kurt is a really great person and a good friend of mine. He has a good heart and is a tremendous athlete and fighter.
Also he's a idiot and he directs a movie stop being jealous this is why i hate the human race. Movies? The people who make them know that you sheep goes to see these movies and they make a hearty paycheck. Because within the first two weeks if a movie coming out that's where they make there movie but people don't know that because they don't think
Conrad is such a sleezeball... adding his ads to this segment uploaded to UA-cam. Yeah, real classy... putting your ads on a clip where it's basically dedicated to discussing a murder and the deceased victim. No shame whatsoever.
I grew up on the DuPont farm, my dad took care of their horses. I’ll never forget coming home that day with all the state troopers everywhere and having to wait for my dad while sitting with state troopers
he took it from Ken shamrock. the reason is he was in a feud with Chris benoit and Kurt tapped out to crippler cross face so kurt needed a submission move for benoit
Not only did he kill one of the greatest wrestlers ever he also killed a husband , father, brother, son, friend. Teammate so he took so much from so many R.I.P
I mean, I can understand why. Self-preservation is a hell of a feeling, and considering the guy already had the gun out, I mean the odds are already not in your favor. Was it cowardly? Yes, but can you blame the guy? I honestly can’t, as sad as it all is.
Bro what!?! Angle just wasn’t part of the storyline he wasn’t there as much. Shultz was angels coach and won a lot at the Olympics. Why would they put angle in this movie if he had nothing to do with it other than training there sometimes?
You won't get straight talk from any of these guys. The truth is television would not market a homoeroginous sport and these pioneers were at the mercy of a dry monetary support system. I wrestled back then. Though HUGE participation throughout the high schools in the midwest it just wasn't marketable. Ripe pickings for a weirdo. The ability to separate phobias from the rational now have this sport where it should be.
I don’t think so, only because Kurt was young, hungry, and just hitting his peak. As great as Dave was, he was getting older and wanted to concentrate more on being a mentor, coach and providing a steady income for his wife and young children.
No. They wrestled at different weight classes. Kurt won gold at 100 kg. Dave wrestled 74 kg. If it really even came to that I think Dave would’ve stepped aside anyways rather than even competing for it. He was Kurt’s coach and mentor preparing him to hit that goal and he’d already accomplished it. I don’t think he was the type of guy who would’ve stood in the way if it was ever a thing.
Kurt is a real life hero, I don't say that lightly! RIP David Shultz
RIP Dave Schultz.
What a dam shame.
the first time i watched Foxcatcher i didn't like it but something remained with me i couldn't figure out and then I watched it again and it's Steve Carrell as Du Pont that is just phenomenal.
Carell should’ve won an Oscar for that role. I had grown up watching The Office, loved 40 Year Old Virgin and Anchorman, so I was really skeptical of seeing Carell in a serious role like that, but man did he knock it out of the park.
Just watched it last night. Good movie. It was slow, emotionally distant, but the performances were amazing
Thank you though david is still alive
I have to give Kurt Angle mad respect for winning gold in 96.his coach was unalive and he had a severe broken neck.that would have made most people miss the Olympics.he definitely preserves through hardships in his wrestling career.
Kurt angle really does tell some of the most fascinating wrestling stories
1:54 THANK YOU KURT! I’m glad someone finally called out the former FBI agent for his cowardice. Du Pont more than likely would’ve shot Dave at least once, but you’d think a trained FBI agent would’ve been able to either wrestle the gun away from Du Pont or at least restrain him enough until help arrived. Dave may have died anyway from the one shot, but then again maybe not if Du Pont’s bodyguard hadn’t been such a coward.
a lot of people label him a coward for his actions. I've tried to understand the situation as it happened in real time. I can't speak for anyone since I wasn't there. Pat Goodale did do the right thing by testifying for the prosecution, unlike Bulgarian wrestler Valentin Jordanov.
The agent was part of the murder. Accomplice, accessory, conspiracy, whatever level it is.
Cowardice would assume, at the end of the day, that he was not part of the attack.
You overrate how brave average fed is
The more I listen to this story, the mental health experts are right. The guys living on the ranch were just enablers that didn't want the party to end. Ask anyone on the inside about the situation, they continually downplay him. However you speak to ppl on the outside who knew him and they all talk about how creepy and odd he was.
Kurt Angle: "we just didn't see it, we didn't know what mental illness was"
Mark Coleman: he was a really creepy, creepy dude and he was hard to be around
Kurt takes responsibility. He said in other interviews that obviously it's truly John's fault but all the wrestlers are at fault for excusing John's erratic behavior.
They knew he was eccentric and they knew he had drug issues. But it’s a leap to jump to seeing somebody as a murder versus being weird and eccentric. That’s what they mean when they say that. They knew he was odd but that’s what they wrote it off as - likely because they didn’t want to see it poorly. These were guys who had a dependency on John which he wanted and naturally when someone is your lifeline like that you want to see past their flaws. So it isn’t hard to see why they’d try to look past his oddities like most anybody in the same scenario would. Despite being an odd duck he hadn’t hurt anybody for years and years despite being an odd ball. The idea they should’ve foreseen what was to come is pretty silly to have expected. They saw John as many would as an odd ball but that being it. It’s easy for outsiders who had no skin in it to speak in hindsight of how everyone should’ve known. But the reality is that was a huge leap to have made.
Of course they wanted money. That isn’t a big revelation. It was a bunch of wrestlers in a sport where there are infamously little options to make income using an eccentric rich guy to keep themselves afloat. He was their benefactor & leaving would’ve been a financially ludicrous decision to make.
@@Slop_Dogg who said it was a big revelation lol? This was a story I was new to and I left a comment. You act as though I had some divine epiphany. Think you may be overstating my comment by a mile
The security guard who ran off had every chance to stop this from ever happening. Truly terrible. I genuinely hope he never found work again
🤨 so.. John's the "good guy"?
@@pauldiam0nd said who?
The problem with this interview is the movie is incredibly inaccurate and misleading. I know Kurt was trying to back me up but he wasn't there when I was there and it's damaging to my name and reputation to say the idiot director Bennett Miller made this movie accurate. Kurt is a really great person and a good friend of mine. He has a good heart and is a tremendous athlete and fighter.
Sorry for your loss I can't imagine what you must be going through.
It’s good to here this from you. Hope everything is at least a little bit easier. Can’t imagine what you’ve been through.
Kurt clearly didn't know him as well you did. He probably only remembering certain things.
Also he's a idiot and he directs a movie stop being jealous this is why i hate the human race. Movies? The people who make them know that you sheep goes to see these movies and they make a hearty paycheck. Because within the first two weeks if a movie coming out that's where they make there movie but people don't know that because they don't think
Do you believe that valentine yordanov manipulated the situation to get dupontes money?
We'll miss you tremendously Dave. God Bless You and your family. You were one of the Great ones 💙
Incredible group of wrestlers. Tragedy what happened.
thank you for sharing this.
Conrad is such a sleezeball... adding his ads to this segment uploaded to UA-cam. Yeah, real classy... putting your ads on a clip where it's basically dedicated to discussing a murder and the deceased victim. No shame whatsoever.
Du Pont's head of security Patrick Goodale was a former US Marine officer.
Yeah idk why he says fbi agent
hmm maybe he ran because his PTSD got triggered?
What a coward FBI agent. He could have saved David's life
Dave Shoults was just the greatest. Rip legend
At least spell his name correctly!
I grew up on the DuPont farm, my dad took care of their horses. I’ll never forget coming home that day with all the state troopers everywhere and having to wait for my dad while sitting with state troopers
Nancy used to babysit me and my little brother
That"s wild. Did you ever meet DuPont?
The FBI Agent should have apprehended Dupont.He should been trained for situation like that.
If your reading this and your name is Nancy, please stay away from the wrestling business.
LOL no shit....theres what nancy benoit, nancy schultz, and nancy argentino
Wow I was thinking the same last night.
🤡 👈
@@TheLOD2099 Oh how cute, a clown face! Good thing you found the picture because I'm sure you're too dumb to spell the word.
David Schultz was a real wrestler not a pro wrestler like Benoit real wrestling is the “Wrestling Business”
“He bought a tank and ran over his barns” is funny, the added context makes it make more why no one thought it’s go like that
Worst fbi agent ever
That would be wild bill donavan the Catholic church knight who founded the federal bureau of inquisition for the Catholic church.
They're all bad
@@joshportie catholic's in action.
@@OliveMule exactly
@@joshportie I can confirm .
Source: am catholic
Any memories of alpha male Monty Brown
Such a sad story
To clear this up this is Dave Schultz, not DAVID SCHULTZ who was infamous for slapping John Stossel.
Oh ok thank god
His name is David too , David lesley Schultz. smh
I'm sorry but when i hear he drove a guy into the lake, i'm goooooone.
"Ad Free" on the microphone. Ad at 6:00. Never change CONrad
Worst FBI agent ever?
Fr
There are a lot of bad 1s.
Kurt admitted they were all using that guy…
People like this are not human
I just watched this movie but it's killing me not understanding why the hell he shot him
Why do so many of these videos become de synced with audio and video?
I thought they meant dr d.
I did too back in 96 lol
The man that slapped the reporter? I thought so too.
Me too.
Kurt what made the ankle lock your finisher
he took it from Ken shamrock. the reason is he was in a feud with Chris benoit and Kurt tapped out to crippler cross face so kurt needed a submission move for benoit
Was Kurt even a character in the movie? Don't remember him being referenced
I Believe that Kurt Joined Foxcatcher a Skootch Too Late to Be a Significant Enough Character to Be Featured in the Movie ... as Far as I Know
@@frankbonini9128 I figured since Kurt is such a famous wrestling star it would take away from the main characters.
@@misternewman1576 That Could Be True, as Well. Maybe to Keep the Focus on the Story & Characters Involved.
@@misternewman1576 thats what i think. it would have distracted me a bit for sure. love kurt
@@frankbonini9128 He wouldn't have been that big in foxcatcher. That was even before his olympic win.
Typical FBI agent.
Not only did he kill one of the greatest wrestlers ever he also killed a husband , father, brother, son, friend. Teammate so he took so much from so many R.I.P
It's very depressing. by all accounts, Dave was a great human being and it's such a damn shame he is no longer with us
@@skippythealien9627 Dirty wrestler though
savewithCONrad
Video is laggy ..
Shame on the former FBI guy for not intervening
What kind of FBI agent does that?
Probably an unarmed one
I mean, I can understand why. Self-preservation is a hell of a feeling, and considering the guy already had the gun out, I mean the odds are already not in your favor. Was it cowardly? Yes, but can you blame the guy? I honestly can’t, as sad as it all is.
He's in the seat next to him. He couldn't have made an attempt to grab the gun from him?
@@durrclips746 that’s the stupidest move you could do. It’s real life, not the movies
@@michaelbarker3749 Surely the FBI agent, who was hired as a bodyguard, had a gun himself ?
Dave schultz was an American hero
i remember going to radnor rolls the night this happened across town. so crazy.
Wish people would stop using this damn crazy word with everything
That fbi security guy is an embarrassment
0:53 Another wrestler wife named "Nancy" involved in a murder tragedy...
Crazy Angle is NEVER EVER mentioned in anything Foxcatcher....My thought is MAYBE he'd overshadow the story??
Bro what!?! Angle just wasn’t part of the storyline he wasn’t there as much. Shultz was angels coach and won a lot at the Olympics. Why would they put angle in this movie if he had nothing to do with it other than training there sometimes?
how is that not crazy like there’s so many things that are obvious
So sad
the bizarre thing i cant comprehend is what kind of fbi agent runs away when he coulda helped
You won't get straight talk from any of these guys. The truth is television would not market a homoeroginous sport and these pioneers were at the mercy of a dry monetary support system. I wrestled back then. Though HUGE participation throughout the high schools in the midwest it just wasn't marketable. Ripe pickings for a weirdo. The ability to separate phobias from the rational now have this sport where it should be.
wait, what? david Shultz is dead?? wtf
Thought this was about Dr.D for a sec
John Du Pont also trained Chris Benoit, apparently he was his best student.
Also I think it was more jealousy then mental illness
My question is, had this not happened, would David had been in Kurt’s spot in 96?
I don’t think so, only because Kurt was young, hungry, and just hitting his peak. As great as Dave was, he was getting older and wanted to concentrate more on being a mentor, coach and providing a steady income for his wife and young children.
No. They wrestled at different weight classes. Kurt won gold at 100 kg. Dave wrestled 74 kg. If it really even came to that I think Dave would’ve stepped aside anyways rather than even competing for it. He was Kurt’s coach and mentor preparing him to hit that goal and he’d already accomplished it. I don’t think he was the type of guy who would’ve stood in the way if it was ever a thing.
What did Schultz do to upset poor John? That is what I want to know
@@frankbonini9128 mark says tye movie was inaccurate
@@ocsjc13 OK. My Apologies
Waved and smiled at him.
They were doing gay stuff together. It's pretty well known.
The dude had severe mental issues. Mix that with severe alcoholism and cocaine dependency. No true rationale of anything Dave did.
My Jiu Jitsu professor Mark Schultz Would like to come onto your show.
I am a black belt under Mark Schultz and Pedro Sauer If I can get a contact number for someone to get to Kurt.!Mark would love to do your show.
what a shame. paid that fbi guy for nothing
WTF
Fbi agent should of taken out john
Kurt should do Rogan’s podcast
He has
@@chriskennedy2298 yeah now lol
Gold medal
Wow poor Dr. D. Favorite heel of all time!
Different wrestler altogether. Dr D is still alive
Dupont wanted Dave to be his lover as Mark was. Dave didn't swing that way and that's what got him whacked
total bullshit. I ain't gay and dupont was a Eunuch.
I can't believe I heard about him slapping the news guy but not that he got murdered
Yeah. Different person
...Wrong guy.
That sucks when Kurt won the Gold medal and that wouldn't of happened and time went on it could of been Kurt and Du Pont being jealous of Kurt.
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When gayness turns you into a murderer
is it odd that john du pond is reminding me of mjf towards Bryan Danielson in our current timeline
Big money homosexual... Every wrestler has a price... Well,posibly a kink... Why else rub together boys 😆
Kurt had to go through this and then 10 years later with Benoit must have felt like deja vu
gauruntee you that rich jew schulz was doing something degenerate to dupont or trying to black him for something
Like?
Drove the president of Fila into a lake. Bought a tank and started destroying his farm.
I think there were some warning signs here.