Sigh. I still remember the week Apple discontinued FCP7. I was working at a VFX studio, and we had jobs scheduled and freelancers booked... And then we just couldn't get any more FCP7 licenses to scale up a project in progress. It was baffling. I'm not surprised the industry is still super skeptical of trusting Apple going forward even years and years later even though FCPX today basically has the technical features that are good enough to cut a feature. If Apple gets bored again half-way through a big project, you'll be left holding the bag with a screaming client. Once bitten, twice shy, etc.
I think people are right to be skeptical of Apple. Bear in mind also FCPX was introduced in 2011 and they talked about a ‘ten year roadmap’ - well it’s been more than ten years so what happens now?
I remember this, I was still in film school when this happened and I held for dear life to my fcp7 version until 2015, keeping an old MacBook Pro for this. At some point, the Mac couldn’t handle it anymore and I had to switch to premier. It felt inferior than fcp7. I switched to resolve early in 2021 and it’s been the best. As much as I’d like to try Final Cut again, it just feels like a waste of time. Specially since very few professionals use it.
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Since i switched from Premiere to Davinci, everytime i use premiere it feels like and completely empty dusty program. I mean do anything that makes sense, removing flicker, creating a film effect, denoise... nothing works without a lot of paid plugins and assets...
Do you have any course or youtube recommendation to learn davinci? and Is it heavy intensive program for PC?
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@@Cutsii i think you will get around the problem fine with youtube tutorials, waqas qazi is amazing but there are many more. I do not think it is that heavy on the pc
and @cutsii I do not recommend qazi. He's good at what he does (color work), but he tends to be very argumentative with viewers and has many assumptions on how things work, but no data to back it up.
I do not recommend qazi. He's good at what he does (color work), but he tends to be very argumentative with viewers and has many assumptions on how things work, but no data to back it up.
@@Cutsii now i run Resolve on 5900X, RTX A5000, and 32 GB @4000Mhz, and i had not a problem at all. Also tested it on an old system, 2600K, 16GB DDR3 @1600, and Quadro M4000, and it works for small projects without lots of VFX and Fusion things. UA-cam is full of Resolve Channels: Casey Faris (the absolute GURU) MrAlexTech Jake Wipp Jamie Fenn Jason Yadlovski (audio) Lazy Artist Jay Lippman Core and Blue Molin Guides Creative Video Tips Daniel Batal (not many long tutorials, but very well explained for beginners) Darren Frenette Essential Video Editing God_Send MixedMedia JayAreTV Joris Hermans Billy Rybka (not actual, but very good) C0nti, Skyline Motions The Modern Filmmaker Alex Cameron - Depiqd Patrick Stirling (mainly Fusion) Sylwester Wielanek (older Fusion VFX) VFXstudy Color Grading Insights (mainly coloring, but also very good general tutorials) Cullen Kelly (coloring) Darren Mostyn (mainly coloring) Learn Color Grading Waqas Qazi (coloring)
Welcome back Michael! Always great to hear your perspective. I manage the editorial department at a large VFX facility. Of course, we are heavily embedded in Avid software and hardware but that isn’t necessarily always a good thing. The ‘kids’ in the department (anyone under 28 😂) hate Media Composer and much prefer Premiere. We also use that and Resolve. Basically I don’t care as long as the work is getting done. The one thing I usually say is I’d like to see Premiere and Resolve cope with some of the complicated Timelines and 40TB+ of media we have on some projects!
I wish Blackmagic would spend a bit more time refining the edit page and the overall scepticism in the industry regarding resolve would ease up a bit. I just love resolve for editing, especially with the speed editor.
What refinements are you looking for? I've been a happy professional media creator and film editor for years in DaVinci and can't think of too much to add!
@@Cutsii @Cutsii a channel called Creative Video Tips is probably the best overall. He shows some pretty advanced stuff lately, but just dig into the tutorials and you'll get the hang of it in a while. Joshua Kirk is another superb channel for editing. There are many more specialized channels, e.g. for fusion and colour. But focus on the basics and editing first!
Bar major firms stuck on legacy Avid systems because they are too lazy to change, all independents and the young are on Resolve. Why would you bother adding a round trip to your workflow? Well if you’re a facility charging by the hour then sure use Avid because you’ll double the time needed to simply cut pictures, everyone else will be using Resolve.
I didn't understand why anyone used Avid for a long time, because I wasn't disciplined enough to learn it (very difficult to learn). Then I learned it. Now I can answer your question. Avid is by far the most stable system out there. If set up correctly, you can make massive projects and never worry about slowdowns or crashes (everything has bugs, but rare in Avid). Avid has the best cutting tools. It is the best place for your project timelines "home." Round tripping is an extra step, but if you understand it, it adds about 5 minutes to your day. Resolve is amazing and should be at least #2 on this list. One day it might overtake Avid in Hollywood, but it still might be a number of years.
@@codygrissom1846 Not too sure where you're getting your information but Avid is far from stable, and from my experience has plenty of bugs and crashes just as much as any other program. On top of this it is very inflexible with codecs and format and requires multiple edit assists to setup any major project. Round tripping can be very painful depending on the project/graphical/vfx/audio elements involved. Sure some Hollywood facilities may persist with it for more years to come, but its time is limited and the others like Resolve are better, cheaper and the next generation knows how to use them.
This is fantastic to see. Thanks for putting this together. I learned a long time ago during the great FCP 7 execution that software loyalty is a losing game. So learn them all!
I started with avid more than 20 years ago, and since then I've worked with all the other software mentioned. I recently installed the Studio version of Resolve at home and I must say I like it. Of all the software, Premiere is perhaps the one I dislike the most - I feel it's a patchwork, full of complications. I'm also not a fan of the interface, which is full of little buttons and tools that aren't very accessible. In any case, as Mr. Kammes says, the tool is only effective if the user is talented and experienced.
I've been a user of PP for over 10 years and I've mastered it. I can't start to learn another software (DaVinci) no matter how great or affordable it is. Like you said, it's not the tool. it's the talent.
Resolve is simply not ready for film editing. Editors have been asking for specific things on BMD's forum for a long time and they prefer adding gadgets and showing off stuff rather than basic editing tools. So until then, they'll be an outsider in the film and long form documentary world. Doesn't mean they won't be number one in terms of users.
Can you elaborate on what those features are? I only use Resolve and edited a few short films in it and it wasn’t a bad experience. I am an amateur though so maybe I’m missing something.
@@Kobratero The biggest issue is sound related. If you load a clip with multiple audio tracks in the viewer, there is no simple way to deselect one of those tracks. For instance, if one of the audio tracks is a radio mic and you just want to hear this one, you can't easily solo this track. Which is a real pain in the butt as when you're editing fiction or documentary, it's pretty often that you need to match frame a clip from a timeline and be able to quickly check the audio tracks. And if your clips are multicam, it's even worse with the sound.
I agree with everything said in this video. As someone who works in Hollywood in Post-Production, Avid Media Composer is still number one. Not because the software is the best, but mainly because of the workflow between offline and online in the total post workflow. I think it's an outdated workflow, but I'm a part of the new age of editors who learned how to use multiple NLEs and not just one. I use Avid when working on a TV show and DaVicini Resolve for all my freelance projects. I still use Premiere occasionally but only when it's required.
*Great* to hear from you. The office was remodeled, and this is a small part of it. Back at KCM after 6 years. postperspective.com/michael-kammes-rejoins-key-code-media-as-sr-director-of-innovation/ Huge changes over there! Hope you, D, and the furry ones are well!
Any thoughts on what Michael Cioni is doing with Strada? I’m not convinced around access to cloud and cloud infrastructure is ready yet (internet speeds) + interoperability with other systems. Maybe it’ll have a spot in the update video 7 years from now?
All 100% correct, interesting stuff. Worth noting that for 'online edit' where Avid was dominant, it's now going over to Resolve for 4k and for HDR delivery Symphony
I imagine Avid is still the king of Hollywood editing, only because it's been used for that for so long and editors of major videos tend stick with what they know. I am personally an amateur Resolve user for some time now. It has made a great deal of headway since I started using it (v14). I have little doubt that many younger editors looking to find their way into the business are playing with Resolve - if for no other reason, they can afford it and it offers seriously good features. And they'll carry that forward as their careers advance. Obviously, Resolve is already used heavily by serious colorists, but just for that functionality.
Use Resolve and do your edit and color your camera originals in a single app without needing to roundtrip with annoying EDL’s. Soooo much time saved. Can’t teach old Hollywood dogs new tricks?
UA-cam Creators recently released a video showing how several UA-camrs are starting to compete with Hollywood on UA-cam Premier. Those UA-camrs that are putting out high quality and engaging content are seeing a rise in viewers actually viewing content on TVs. These content creators are not using Avid, they are using Adobe, Final Cut, and Resolve. I don't think the competition for editing software is in Hollywood, I think the competition is in content creation and that is the area that is going to really drive editing innovation. It's also the area where I think Blackmagic is really the one that can take the lead here. I'd be more interested in knowing what content creators are using, as opposed to Hollywood.
You bring up very interesting points. The inherent problem is that Hollywood workflows have become pretty defined and streamlined; the Creator world has not. So many tools exist and so many creators are small teams that improvised content creation and iteration is common. A video such as this wouldn't be possible (or, as defined and clear-cut) as one on the Creator economy. I can say, without hesitation, that as Creators get bigger they end up using Hollywood type workflows. I consult on this *weekly*. Folks in charge realize reliability, predictability, and resiliency are needed when money is at stake and bespoke solutions can't exist in this environment. The only exception to this is usually Avid. Creators grow, but don't seem to move to Avid unless they're using an existing post facility. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Prior to the acquisition by Blackmagic, there wasn't an all encompassing standard. If TV, it was usually Symphony. The offline edits were done in Media Composer, so opening up the same project in Symphony made the conform and grade really seamless. Resolve at the time was ~$500,00 give or take (depending on options) and not everyone could afford that, hence the other tools. Also, other tools often had some light VFX ability (Autodesk, for example) so often onlines would lean that way. Resolve was a solution at the time, but not a juggernaut. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I've cut two feature films that opened in theaters on Resolve. I do like editing there more than premiere but, I'm 10x faster in media composer and prefer editing with that tool.
Resolve Studio version is a no-brainer even for amateurs, esp. as you get a licence with any BMD hardware. The question is how sustainable is that model for Blackmagic.
Resolve is definitely not the cash cow for Blackmagic - it's hardware. It's a great partnership - they're present in the content supply chain from acquisition through post production. Thanks for watching!
For complete production workflows Resolve kills everything else. Best Color and managed workflows, good sound post (on par with Protools except midi), good editing (on par with PP and Avid), good effects (almost on par with Nuke). A no brainer for very little $ or free.
i love Resolve, but saying Fairlight is on par with protools is a joke. Protools is the industry king and Fairlight can't even open half my third party plugins.
@@StuartHetzler I guess it’s debatable. I find the track and bus architecture more flexible in Resolve. Never had any plugins issues and I have 100s and 100s. I’m on a Mac and using Resolve 19 which has a lot of Fairlight improvements I guess.
@@spidif2544 I don't think I've ever been able to open a single Native Instruments plugin in Fairlight. Don't get me wrong, I think Fairlight is probably the best audio mixing of any popular NLE, but it's still quite lacking when compared to a proper DAW. Like you mentioned, no MIDI means no Kontakt, which is a staple of sound design.
As an increasing number of scripted series for streamers are shot outside the US, so is going post and finishing. The result is a chunk of the traditional 'Hollywood' output will be cut away from the unions. A big risk for Avid. It wasn't too long ago that Avid in Hollywood was the equivalent of 'If it ain't Boeing, it ain't going' and we know what happened to the value of that saying recently. Nothing is forever.
Avid definitely has some challenges but Hollywood knows that it works and can handle large complex timelines without crashing. When big budget movies are on the line that is a comfort. This podcast shows the complexity of Hollywood movies ua-cam.com/video/ZE1pOMpQvbw/v-deo.htmlsi=SJsbTUtva2wCocK7
Great video, thank you! The ascension of RESOLVE is coming, perhaps it will come in the form of a partnership with Apple, there have been some interesting things between those two over the years. Perhaps Grant and his team will achieve this single handedly, but it will happen😉
It will take a decade, film industry is very very conservative because of the money involved, that people are allergic to risk. This doesn't mean resolve won't be much more successful as their is 100x more professional content produced out of hollywood. Then slowly as editors are replaced etc, it might come into the hollywood editing workflow.
@@michaelkammesI think that Resolve will become dominant in the UA-camr space. And these kids when they move into the pro industry will cause a pick up.
It's inclusive of feature film and television, including major VOD platforms (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, MAX, etc.) As you get more downmarket, you tend to find niche VOD platforms where there is more flexibility - or it's just licensed content where how you made the video is less important.
Well, the people from years ago are still right. Resolve WILL take over the market. About 2/3 of the people I've talked with, working in the film industry, are using resolve (in Germany). It's only a matter of time to have this, younger, generation take over, with THEIR software. To be exact: Avid doesn't get used by ANY younger Filmmakers. NOBODY wants to learn their old, shortcut-based software. It still gets forced upon you in university, but ALL the people I've talked with said it was outdated, slow, and they would rather work with resolve. Prediction for 2034: Resolve on top of the list.
I always tell myself that I should round-trip to a DAW but FCP's timeline makes audio editing and mixing so much quicker and more intuitive. So I end up using Logic only in special cases when I really need a very specific feature; like the binaural panner...
Aren't Hollywood films the least of video content these days? What is the primary software for the millions of hours of other content produced? What software is used on the hundreds and hundreds of independent and festival films?
It would be interesting to compare revenue on these editing softwares. I think Apple escaping the Hollywood market was not so bad for them, they have focused on the hardware. They probably still make the most money from their editing software with the least effort.
@@michaelkammes True. However, since Resolve is ok with 90% of users using the free tear, we can deduce it it not a huge revenue income source. They rely on hardware and cloud services. FCP is pretty much free also (90 day trial). If they make a minor upgrade you get another 90 days. It's safe to deduce that Apple is happier selling mac studios and monitors to the industry than being the leading software in that sector. Which makes a lot of sense to me.
Learned on Avid, moved to premiere when i went solo as it was cheap compared to Avid. Looked at going Apple but Final Cut went to X and made thier product trash. About 8 years or so ago i switched to Resolve and don't regret it at all. Also I have an android phone and outside of audio folk, most creative people I know have been leaving apple. I still miss Avid a bit.
I have avid media composer and for editing it’s solid. Barely had crashes and it just worked. Unfortunately the company is slow to implement any new features that compare with adobe or resolve. Hollywood studios have different departments (editing, sound, color) so they don’t need a one all be all. Avid did drop the ball on creating a color tool smh. If you’re not trying to be a Hollywood editor then it’s not worth knowing.
I've been debating one, but at some point, it becomes click bait or mean spirited, you know? If I was revealing some underhanded scheme, well, yeah...I'd have a moral obligation to expose something. What Avid may/may not do will play out in the market without my prognostication. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Da Vinci is for color grading. But - at least it’s software for a CAMERA company’s hardware w/o Apple’s proprietary license to sell over priced hardware with ever less feature released software…
I use DaVinci Resolve and I really like it. I don't want do use Premiere, I just don't like it and I would never pay for it. But should I learn AVID Media Composer?
From google Hollywood films have been made with DaVinci Resolve, including: 2019 Oscar-nominated films: Bohemian Rhapsody, The Favourite, Roma, Green Book, and Vice 2022 summer films: Thor: Love and Thunder, Jurassic World Dominion, Bullet Train, Top Gun: Maverick, Nope, The Black Phone, and Crimes of the Future Other films: Alien: Covenant, Avatar, Deadpool 2, Jason Bourne, Kingsman: The Golden Circle, La La Land, Love & Mercy, Pirates of the Caribbean, Prometheus, Robin Hood, Spectre, and Star Wars: The Last Jedi. X-Men: Apocalypse, 20 films at the 2015 Sundance Film Festival leveraged DaVinci Resolve,[119] followed by 35 in 2016,[120] over 45 in 2017,[121] over 55 in 2018,[122] and over 35 in 2019.[123]
"been made" is a catch all term, and doesn't specify "picture editing". Blackmagic marketing is sometimes loose with details. The films you mentioned used Resolve for grading, or dailies or transcoding, and *maybe* VFX...but not for creative editorial.
And Adobe was claiming OWNERSHIP of content stored on its cloud… until lawyers started digging into its anti-copyright usage of content being sourced for AI generation… bringing us closer to the day when the entire premise of “ai” will end up in the courts and ai will be forced to prove that every feed into its rules engine is in PUBLIC DOMAIN!
Can someone explain to me why someone is using Avid in 2024 ? I know is the first video editing software and that i was or stil is industry standard but beside that? Is this fotware have some unique features that other NLES are lacking ?
Avid actually does have some unique features. But I think the reason people stay with a specific editing software is mostly habit. Changing software is daunting, takes a lot of time, effort and often also money (eg if you have invested in property hardware solutions like in broadcast or feature film industry). It is risky changing proven workflows, especially with big crews and many different parties and software involved. Edited software do all the very same thing in their core - make cuts and build a sequence of moving pictures. So why change?
To answer your second question first, no, I believe other NLEs are way better than MC when you compare the feature sets of just the NLE itself. But as for why someone might still use it in 2024, apart from what @hruettimann said, it's probably because high budget films and shows outsource everything to different departments and rarely do everything in the same software or ecosystem. It's also unlikely that each of these departments will be using the same software as the picture editor too. Sound will be most likely be done in Pro Tools or Nuendo , color in Resolve or Baselight, VFX compositing in Nuke or AE, which leaves editors only having to deal with managing and editing the offline media, which MC excels at. This doesn't mean that you can't use other NLE's for this task, but MC is really stable at handing over AAFs and EDLs for turnovers, and now that it's finally able to export a Pro Tools ptx file, things will get a lot easier for the sound department. Other editors that don't have the budget of a major feature film will find the Adobe Suite or DaVinci Resolve more than enough for their needs.
Check out the origin episode I did 7 years ago...I go fairly deep into that very point. 5thingsseries.com/episode/the-truth-about-video-editing-software-in-hollywood/ Thanks for watching and commenting!
Ex Adobe suite user here, Adobe can shove their apps, subscriptions are above ridiculously priced now you don't even own the app you're only renting it! Bunch of rip offs! Davinci is the only decent app in your list. Android user here!
@@rastanz Been using Premiere for twenty years and just switched to Resolve because I couldn't take it anymore. They've destroyed the potential of that once great software over the last decade. Resolve just works.
I liked FCP and was using a free copy.. but in the end went to DR (paid). I don't trust Apple anymore after they fucked so many photographers with its dumping of Aperture. Apple is basically Toys R Us for adults these days.
it will not take 7 years to dominate for davinci users. a lot of editors now are in davinci.... this talk is just a market and etc... but the real deal is davinci. even a 10 year ambassador of adobe already shifts to davinci even davinci did not take him as a sponsor..
Dear Sirs, I am just an old fashioned cowpoke that wants to edit out the cussing and sex scenes from some otherwise good movies. How tech savvy do I have to be in order to do that. I am willing to buy the dvd and then cut out the junk from it so my grand kids can watch some clean films. Any info will be appreciated. Thank you
Hello! It's not incredibly difficult, but it does have multiple steps. First, you'll need to "rip" a DVD so the movie file(s) exist on your computer instead of a disc. This can be tricky, as most DVDs actively prevent ripping, as it can be used for piracy. Once the file is ripped to your computer, you can then edit it with any number of video editing solutions. The ones I've mentioned in the video are overkill for what you need. Once editing, you can export the edited movie into a format that you can play on your computer.
The day Apple killed Final Cut Pro 7 was catastrophic for me. I had been using Final Cut since version 3. FCP X to this day is still pure garbage. The user interface continues to be unfathomable.
Apple doesn’t know what to do with FCPx - it’s not going anywhere and they don’t want to put anymore money into it because it’s a loser… (And I still use it!) They thought they could spin it off by making it subscription (like Adobe but without any enhancements) but they seemed to have realized that they need to make it their iPhone “filmmaking” editor… which is a waste because the cost of data storage is 💯 higher that actual - videocamera - content! So they are struggling the moral dilemma of manufacturing overly expensive smartphones with ever less features using Chinese Wage Slave labor…
uh oh.... the Resolve bros aren't going to like this video. And you're 1000% correct that it's not the tools but the talent. The fastest way to tell me you're not a professional is to tribally align yourself with one editing program or company.
I'm a resolve bro these days....Premiere has been hot garbage for a few years now....and thankfully more and more projects seem to be moving towards it...but my favorite video editing software will always be "Whatever one you pay me to edit on."
Resolve gal here, but I like the video. It's the best tool for me to edit stuff with, but of Hollywood studios like Avid it doesn't bother me (until they want to hire me I guess, I never learned it properly). It's just interesting to hear what's going on in the industry~
@@MariWakocha avid is solid you just have to not try to use it like other programs. It’s designed to be an editor and that’s it. As with any program once u out time in, you can learn it. I hated premiere pro because I was too use to avid. I’m about to put my time in on resolve because I’m not trying to be a Hollywood editor
Davinci Resolve is by far the best! 💯
Why, because it’s free?
@@aijokker no, because its not adobe
@@razza2069 wow another valid point
I’m only an amateur but I’m a huge fan of Resolve. I bought a Studio dongle on eBay in 2018 and it’s still working with the latest version
Any plan to show us a walk around and works my guy ?
@uniqueurl of my office / 'set'?
Resolve is the future. Hollywood itself is going to be a legacy industry in the next decade.
Sigh. I still remember the week Apple discontinued FCP7. I was working at a VFX studio, and we had jobs scheduled and freelancers booked... And then we just couldn't get any more FCP7 licenses to scale up a project in progress. It was baffling. I'm not surprised the industry is still super skeptical of trusting Apple going forward even years and years later even though FCPX today basically has the technical features that are good enough to cut a feature. If Apple gets bored again half-way through a big project, you'll be left holding the bag with a screaming client. Once bitten, twice shy, etc.
I think people are right to be skeptical of Apple. Bear in mind also FCPX was introduced in 2011 and they talked about a ‘ten year roadmap’ - well it’s been more than ten years so what happens now?
I remember this, I was still in film school when this happened and I held for dear life to my fcp7 version until 2015, keeping an old MacBook Pro for this. At some point, the Mac couldn’t handle it anymore and I had to switch to premier. It felt inferior than fcp7. I switched to resolve early in 2021 and it’s been the best. As much as I’d like to try Final Cut again, it just feels like a waste of time. Specially since very few professionals use it.
Since i switched from Premiere to Davinci, everytime i use premiere it feels like and completely empty dusty program. I mean do anything that makes sense, removing flicker, creating a film effect, denoise... nothing works without a lot of paid plugins and assets...
Do you have any course or youtube recommendation to learn davinci? and Is it heavy intensive program for PC?
@@Cutsii i think you will get around the problem fine with youtube tutorials, waqas qazi is amazing but there are many more. I do not think it is that heavy on the pc
and @cutsii I do not recommend qazi. He's good at what he does (color work), but he tends to be very argumentative with viewers and has many assumptions on how things work, but no data to back it up.
I do not recommend qazi. He's good at what he does (color work), but he tends to be very argumentative with viewers and has many assumptions on how things work, but no data to back it up.
@@Cutsii now i run Resolve on 5900X, RTX A5000, and 32 GB @4000Mhz, and i had not a problem at all. Also tested it on an old system, 2600K, 16GB DDR3 @1600, and Quadro M4000, and it works for small projects without lots of VFX and Fusion things.
UA-cam is full of Resolve Channels:
Casey Faris (the absolute GURU)
MrAlexTech
Jake Wipp
Jamie Fenn
Jason Yadlovski (audio)
Lazy Artist
Jay Lippman
Core and Blue
Molin Guides
Creative Video Tips
Daniel Batal (not many long tutorials, but very well explained for beginners)
Darren Frenette
Essential Video Editing
God_Send MixedMedia
JayAreTV
Joris Hermans
Billy Rybka (not actual, but very good)
C0nti,
Skyline Motions
The Modern Filmmaker
Alex Cameron - Depiqd
Patrick Stirling (mainly Fusion)
Sylwester Wielanek (older Fusion VFX)
VFXstudy
Color Grading Insights (mainly coloring, but also very good general tutorials)
Cullen Kelly (coloring)
Darren Mostyn (mainly coloring)
Learn Color Grading
Waqas Qazi (coloring)
Welcome back Michael! Always great to hear your perspective.
I manage the editorial department at a large VFX facility. Of course, we are heavily embedded in Avid software and hardware but that isn’t necessarily always a good thing. The ‘kids’ in the department (anyone under 28 😂) hate Media Composer and much prefer Premiere. We also use that and Resolve. Basically I don’t care as long as the work is getting done. The one thing I usually say is I’d like to see Premiere and Resolve cope with some of the complicated Timelines and 40TB+ of media we have on some projects!
Thanks for watching...and commenting!
I wish Blackmagic would spend a bit more time refining the edit page and the overall scepticism in the industry regarding resolve would ease up a bit. I just love resolve for editing, especially with the speed editor.
What refinements are you looking for? I've been a happy professional media creator and film editor for years in DaVinci and can't think of too much to add!
@@KaarloMedia Do you have any course recommendations or youtube to learn more in Davinci?
@@Cutsii @Cutsii a channel called Creative Video Tips is probably the best overall. He shows some pretty advanced stuff lately, but just dig into the tutorials and you'll get the hang of it in a while.
Joshua Kirk is another superb channel for editing. There are many more specialized channels, e.g. for fusion and colour. But focus on the basics and editing first!
@@Cutsii My comment seems to have gotten lost somewhere :/.
Creative Video Tips for overall and Joshua Kirk for editing!
@@KaarloMedia Just saming basic masking tools in the edit page!
Bar major firms stuck on legacy Avid systems because they are too lazy to change, all independents and the young are on Resolve. Why would you bother adding a round trip to your workflow? Well if you’re a facility charging by the hour then sure use Avid because you’ll double the time needed to simply cut pictures, everyone else will be using Resolve.
I didn't understand why anyone used Avid for a long time, because I wasn't disciplined enough to learn it (very difficult to learn). Then I learned it. Now I can answer your question. Avid is by far the most stable system out there. If set up correctly, you can make massive projects and never worry about slowdowns or crashes (everything has bugs, but rare in Avid). Avid has the best cutting tools. It is the best place for your project timelines "home." Round tripping is an extra step, but if you understand it, it adds about 5 minutes to your day. Resolve is amazing and should be at least #2 on this list. One day it might overtake Avid in Hollywood, but it still might be a number of years.
@@codygrissom1846 Not too sure where you're getting your information but Avid is far from stable, and from my experience has plenty of bugs and crashes just as much as any other program. On top of this it is very inflexible with codecs and format and requires multiple edit assists to setup any major project. Round tripping can be very painful depending on the project/graphical/vfx/audio elements involved. Sure some Hollywood facilities may persist with it for more years to come, but its time is limited and the others like Resolve are better, cheaper and the next generation knows how to use them.
Thanks, Michael. I also appreciate your participation at the LACPUG meetings over the years.
Thanks for the kind words @jimkoral3824 - I appreciate it. See you at the next one?
This is fantastic to see. Thanks for putting this together. I learned a long time ago during the great FCP 7 execution that software loyalty is a losing game. So learn them all!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I started with avid more than 20 years ago, and since then I've worked with all the other software mentioned. I recently installed the Studio version of Resolve at home and I must say I like it. Of all the software, Premiere is perhaps the one I dislike the most - I feel it's a patchwork, full of complications. I'm also not a fan of the interface, which is full of little buttons and tools that aren't very accessible. In any case, as Mr. Kammes says, the tool is only effective if the user is talented and experienced.
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I've been a user of PP for over 10 years and I've mastered it. I can't start to learn another software (DaVinci) no matter how great or affordable it is. Like you said, it's not the tool. it's the talent.
Premier pro was a crash fest, not had anywhere near the glitches using Davinci, glad I moved to it a couple of years ago.
I'm the opposite. Premiere pro kept crashing. Davinci isn't perfect, but it doesn't crash nearly as much imho.
@@Matein13you just said the same thing jack ass
Resolve is simply not ready for film editing. Editors have been asking for specific things on BMD's forum for a long time and they prefer adding gadgets and showing off stuff rather than basic editing tools. So until then, they'll be an outsider in the film and long form documentary world.
Doesn't mean they won't be number one in terms of users.
Can you elaborate on what those features are? I only use Resolve and edited a few short films in it and it wasn’t a bad experience. I am an amateur though so maybe I’m missing something.
@@Kobratero The biggest issue is sound related. If you load a clip with multiple audio tracks in the viewer, there is no simple way to deselect one of those tracks. For instance, if one of the audio tracks is a radio mic and you just want to hear this one, you can't easily solo this track. Which is a real pain in the butt as when you're editing fiction or documentary, it's pretty often that you need to match frame a clip from a timeline and be able to quickly check the audio tracks.
And if your clips are multicam, it's even worse with the sound.
I still work with EDIUS for over 20 years 😉 but I definitely must try my DavinciRessolve studio version too 😅
Final Cut rocks!
DaVinci Resolve Studio for me please! And it running on Linux... just a perfect combo for me!
I agree with everything said in this video. As someone who works in Hollywood in Post-Production, Avid Media Composer is still number one. Not because the software is the best, but mainly because of the workflow between offline and online in the total post workflow. I think it's an outdated workflow, but I'm a part of the new age of editors who learned how to use multiple NLEs and not just one. I use Avid when working on a TV show and DaVicini Resolve for all my freelance projects. I still use Premiere occasionally but only when it's required.
Thanks for your input, and thanks for watching!
Wow! Thank Michael for this INFORMATIVE video.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
I dug the BG color changes. And the spectacles are fly like a G6!
*Great* to hear from you. The office was remodeled, and this is a small part of it. Back at KCM after 6 years. postperspective.com/michael-kammes-rejoins-key-code-media-as-sr-director-of-innovation/ Huge changes over there!
Hope you, D, and the furry ones are well!
❤DaVinci Resolve.
Any thoughts on what Michael Cioni is doing with Strada? I’m not convinced around access to cloud and cloud infrastructure is ready yet (internet speeds) + interoperability with other systems. Maybe it’ll have a spot in the update video 7 years from now?
I am betting on that future.
DaVinci all day
All 100% correct, interesting stuff. Worth noting that for 'online edit' where Avid was dominant, it's now going over to Resolve for 4k and for HDR delivery Symphony
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I imagine Avid is still the king of Hollywood editing, only because it's been used for that for so long and editors of major videos tend stick with what they know. I am personally an amateur Resolve user for some time now. It has made a great deal of headway since I started using it (v14). I have little doubt that many younger editors looking to find their way into the business are playing with Resolve - if for no other reason, they can afford it and it offers seriously good features. And they'll carry that forward as their careers advance.
Obviously, Resolve is already used heavily by serious colorists, but just for that functionality.
Use Resolve and do your edit and color your camera originals in a single app without needing to roundtrip with annoying EDL’s. Soooo much time saved. Can’t teach old Hollywood dogs new tricks?
UA-cam Creators recently released a video showing how several UA-camrs are starting to compete with Hollywood on UA-cam Premier. Those UA-camrs that are putting out high quality and engaging content are seeing a rise in viewers actually viewing content on TVs. These content creators are not using Avid, they are using Adobe, Final Cut, and Resolve. I don't think the competition for editing software is in Hollywood, I think the competition is in content creation and that is the area that is going to really drive editing innovation. It's also the area where I think Blackmagic is really the one that can take the lead here. I'd be more interested in knowing what content creators are using, as opposed to Hollywood.
You bring up very interesting points. The inherent problem is that Hollywood workflows have become pretty defined and streamlined; the Creator world has not. So many tools exist and so many creators are small teams that improvised content creation and iteration is common. A video such as this wouldn't be possible (or, as defined and clear-cut) as one on the Creator economy.
I can say, without hesitation, that as Creators get bigger they end up using Hollywood type workflows. I consult on this *weekly*. Folks in charge realize reliability, predictability, and resiliency are needed when money is at stake and bespoke solutions can't exist in this environment. The only exception to this is usually Avid. Creators grow, but don't seem to move to Avid unless they're using an existing post facility.
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I thought resolve was the color grading standard in Hollywood for decades, great vid though
Prior to the acquisition by Blackmagic, there wasn't an all encompassing standard. If TV, it was usually Symphony. The offline edits were done in Media Composer, so opening up the same project in Symphony made the conform and grade really seamless. Resolve at the time was ~$500,00 give or take (depending on options) and not everyone could afford that, hence the other tools. Also, other tools often had some light VFX ability (Autodesk, for example) so often onlines would lean that way.
Resolve was a solution at the time, but not a juggernaut.
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difference between editing and color grading.
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I've cut two feature films that opened in theaters on Resolve. I do like editing there more than premiere but, I'm 10x faster in media composer and prefer editing with that tool.
Another great video, Michael!
Thanks, Trevor - I appreciate it! Even handed re: FCP?
@@michaelkammes Yup, Absolutely. Nothing you said was one sided or biased. Just the realities of the industry.
Not to mention how Apple callously abandoned all of us using FCP7. Unforgivable.
Resolve Studio version is a no-brainer even for amateurs, esp. as you get a licence with any BMD hardware. The question is how sustainable is that model for Blackmagic.
Resolve is definitely not the cash cow for Blackmagic - it's hardware. It's a great partnership - they're present in the content supply chain from acquisition through post production.
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For complete production workflows Resolve kills everything else. Best Color and managed workflows, good sound post (on par with Protools except midi), good editing (on par with PP and Avid), good effects (almost on par with Nuke). A no brainer for very little $ or free.
That's a fair evaluation.
i love Resolve, but saying Fairlight is on par with protools is a joke. Protools is the industry king and Fairlight can't even open half my third party plugins.
@@StuartHetzler I guess it’s debatable. I find the track and bus architecture more flexible in Resolve. Never had any plugins issues and I have 100s and 100s. I’m on a Mac and using Resolve 19 which has a lot of Fairlight improvements I guess.
@@spidif2544 I don't think I've ever been able to open a single Native Instruments plugin in Fairlight.
Don't get me wrong, I think Fairlight is probably the best audio mixing of any popular NLE, but it's still quite lacking when compared to a proper DAW. Like you mentioned, no MIDI means no Kontakt, which is a staple of sound design.
As an increasing number of scripted series for streamers are shot outside the US, so is going post and finishing. The result is a chunk of the traditional 'Hollywood' output will be cut away from the unions. A big risk for Avid. It wasn't too long ago that Avid in Hollywood was the equivalent of 'If it ain't Boeing, it ain't going' and we know what happened to the value of that saying recently. Nothing is forever.
Avid definitely has some challenges but Hollywood knows that it works and can handle large complex timelines without crashing. When big budget movies are on the line that is a comfort. This podcast shows the complexity of Hollywood movies
ua-cam.com/video/ZE1pOMpQvbw/v-deo.htmlsi=SJsbTUtva2wCocK7
lightworks deserves so much more attention
Just came across this video and glad I did, its really cool to know what's happening behind the scenes.
Glad you enjoyed! Check out previous episodes for more tech goodness.
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Davinci Resolve here. Switched last year and love it.
Thanks for the update 👌
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Spaceballs is also my go-to "soon" reference. Classic
Great video, thank you! The ascension of RESOLVE is coming, perhaps it will come in the form of a partnership with Apple, there have been some interesting things between those two over the years. Perhaps Grant and his team will achieve this single handedly, but it will happen😉
And how do you see that playing out?
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It will take a decade, film industry is very very conservative because of the money involved, that people are allergic to risk. This doesn't mean resolve won't be much more successful as their is 100x more professional content produced out of hollywood. Then slowly as editors are replaced etc, it might come into the hollywood editing workflow.
@@troyreid1340 Please no partnership with Apple. I want good software.
@@michaelkammesI think that Resolve will become dominant in the UA-camr space. And these kids when they move into the pro industry will cause a pick up.
How do you define "Hollywood"? Only blockbuster movies, or also including series meant from streaming etc. Is that also the same story?
It's inclusive of feature film and television, including major VOD platforms (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, MAX, etc.) As you get more downmarket, you tend to find niche VOD platforms where there is more flexibility - or it's just licensed content where how you made the video is less important.
Nicely Done Michael!
Thanks, Jeff! Hope you're doing well. I still think of you whenever I open up Fusion!
Well, the people from years ago are still right. Resolve WILL take over the market.
About 2/3 of the people I've talked with, working in the film industry, are using resolve (in Germany). It's only a matter of time to have this, younger, generation take over, with THEIR software.
To be exact: Avid doesn't get used by ANY younger Filmmakers. NOBODY wants to learn their old, shortcut-based software.
It still gets forced upon you in university, but ALL the people I've talked with said it was outdated, slow, and they would rather work with resolve.
Prediction for 2034: Resolve on top of the list.
The TV News business has switched to Edius in many places.
FCPX gaaaaang. Watch us nest audio like it’s our job.
I always tell myself that I should round-trip to a DAW but FCP's timeline makes audio editing and mixing so much quicker and more intuitive. So I end up using Logic only in special cases when I really need a very specific feature; like the binaural panner...
Aren't Hollywood films the least of video content these days? What is the primary software for the millions of hours of other content produced? What software is used on the hundreds and hundreds of independent and festival films?
That's a great topic. Just not the one for this video.
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It would be interesting to compare revenue on these editing softwares. I think Apple escaping the Hollywood market was not so bad for them, they have focused on the hardware. They probably still make the most money from their editing software with the least effort.
That's a good idea. However, those numbers are not public and are not likely to be released.
@@michaelkammes True. However, since Resolve is ok with 90% of users using the free tear, we can deduce it it not a huge revenue income source. They rely on hardware and cloud services. FCP is pretty much free also (90 day trial). If they make a minor upgrade you get another 90 days. It's safe to deduce that Apple is happier selling mac studios and monitors to the industry than being the leading software in that sector. Which makes a lot of sense to me.
I feel like Vegas Pro is slept on, if you can mention fxpx and capcut you can mention vegas lol
Hello I am Davinci Resolve.
Learned on Avid, moved to premiere when i went solo as it was cheap compared to Avid. Looked at going Apple but Final Cut went to X and made thier product trash. About 8 years or so ago i switched to Resolve and don't regret it at all.
Also I have an android phone and outside of audio folk, most creative people I know have been leaving apple.
I still miss Avid a bit.
I have avid media composer and for editing it’s solid. Barely had crashes and it just worked. Unfortunately the company is slow to implement any new features that compare with adobe or resolve. Hollywood studios have different departments (editing, sound, color) so they don’t need a one all be all. Avid did drop the ball on creating a color tool smh. If you’re not trying to be a Hollywood editor then it’s not worth knowing.
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"That's the subject for another video". I will be there to see that one, guaranteed. I bet it's "nothing good" and "much more expensive".
Agreed 🤦🏾♂️
I've been debating one, but at some point, it becomes click bait or mean spirited, you know? If I was revealing some underhanded scheme, well, yeah...I'd have a moral obligation to expose something. What Avid may/may not do will play out in the market without my prognostication.
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Da Vinci is for color grading.
But - at least it’s software for a CAMERA company’s hardware w/o Apple’s proprietary license to sell over priced hardware with ever less feature released software…
I use DaVinci Resolve and I really like it. I don't want do use Premiere, I just don't like it and I would never pay for it. But should I learn AVID Media Composer?
If you want a job in Hollywood editing film or TV today - yes.
I know that Blackmagic has worked with Disney on some projects in the ladt few years, also with cloud service.
So, it's not NOT used in the industry.
Sorry, but Only Davinci Resolve uses my pc resources right way...
From google Hollywood films have been made with DaVinci Resolve, including:
2019 Oscar-nominated films: Bohemian Rhapsody, The Favourite, Roma, Green Book, and Vice
2022 summer films: Thor: Love and Thunder, Jurassic World Dominion, Bullet Train, Top Gun: Maverick, Nope, The Black Phone, and Crimes of the Future
Other films: Alien: Covenant, Avatar, Deadpool 2, Jason Bourne, Kingsman: The Golden Circle, La La Land, Love & Mercy, Pirates of the Caribbean, Prometheus, Robin Hood, Spectre, and Star Wars: The Last Jedi. X-Men: Apocalypse, 20 films at the 2015 Sundance Film Festival leveraged DaVinci Resolve,[119] followed by 35 in 2016,[120] over 45 in 2017,[121] over 55 in 2018,[122] and over 35 in 2019.[123]
"been made" is a catch all term, and doesn't specify "picture editing".
Blackmagic marketing is sometimes loose with details. The films you mentioned used Resolve for grading, or dailies or transcoding, and *maybe* VFX...but not for creative editorial.
I use whatever tool the clients pays me for.
Forever and ever amen.
And Adobe was claiming OWNERSHIP of content stored on its cloud… until lawyers started digging into its anti-copyright usage of content being sourced for AI generation… bringing us closer to the day when the entire premise of “ai” will end up in the courts and ai will be forced to prove that every feed into its rules engine is in PUBLIC DOMAIN!
Before I watch ima make prediction..davinic resolve has bear premiere and maybe avid..I know im right
Can someone explain to me why someone is using Avid in 2024 ? I know is the first video editing software and that i was or stil is industry standard but beside that? Is this fotware have some unique features that other NLES are lacking ?
Avid actually does have some unique features. But I think the reason people stay with a specific editing software is mostly habit. Changing software is daunting, takes a lot of time, effort and often also money (eg if you have invested in property hardware solutions like in broadcast or feature film industry). It is risky changing proven workflows, especially with big crews and many different parties and software involved.
Edited software do all the very same thing in their core - make cuts and build a sequence of moving pictures. So why change?
To answer your second question first, no, I believe other NLEs are way better than MC when you compare the feature sets of just the NLE itself.
But as for why someone might still use it in 2024, apart from what @hruettimann said, it's probably because high budget films and shows outsource everything to different departments and rarely do everything in the same software or ecosystem. It's also unlikely that each of these departments will be using the same software as the picture editor too. Sound will be most likely be done in Pro Tools or Nuendo , color in Resolve or Baselight, VFX compositing in Nuke or AE, which leaves editors only having to deal with managing and editing the offline media, which MC excels at.
This doesn't mean that you can't use other NLE's for this task, but MC is really stable at handing over AAFs and EDLs for turnovers, and now that it's finally able to export a Pro Tools ptx file, things will get a lot easier for the sound department.
Other editors that don't have the budget of a major feature film will find the Adobe Suite or DaVinci Resolve more than enough for their needs.
Check out the origin episode I did 7 years ago...I go fairly deep into that very point. 5thingsseries.com/episode/the-truth-about-video-editing-software-in-hollywood/
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If you wanna get into a post facility, AVID
Ex Adobe suite user here, Adobe can shove their apps, subscriptions are above ridiculously priced now you don't even own the app you're only renting it! Bunch of rip offs! Davinci is the only decent app in your list.
Android user here!
Amen👏👏
@@rastanz Been using Premiere for twenty years and just switched to Resolve because I couldn't take it anymore. They've destroyed the potential of that once great software over the last decade. Resolve just works.
Resolve is the king
I’m afraid CapCuT will dominate fcp very soon 🤣
I think, Bruscetta will win the race
I liked FCP and was using a free copy.. but in the end went to DR (paid). I don't trust Apple anymore after they fucked so many photographers with its dumping of Aperture. Apple is basically Toys R Us for adults these days.
Are you sure that there is no absolutes, absolutely?
Certum est, quia impossibile est.
it will not take 7 years to dominate for davinci users. a lot of editors now are in davinci.... this talk is just a market and etc... but the real deal is davinci. even a 10 year ambassador of adobe already shifts to davinci even davinci did not take him as a sponsor..
Dear Sirs, I am just an old fashioned cowpoke that wants to edit out the cussing and sex scenes from some otherwise good movies. How tech savvy do I have to be in order to do that. I am willing to buy the dvd and then cut out the junk from it so my grand kids can watch some clean films. Any info will be appreciated. Thank you
Hello! It's not incredibly difficult, but it does have multiple steps. First, you'll need to "rip" a DVD so the movie file(s) exist on your computer instead of a disc. This can be tricky, as most DVDs actively prevent ripping, as it can be used for piracy. Once the file is ripped to your computer, you can then edit it with any number of video editing solutions. The ones I've mentioned in the video are overkill for what you need. Once editing, you can export the edited movie into a format that you can play on your computer.
The day Apple killed Final Cut Pro 7 was catastrophic for me. I had been using Final Cut since version 3. FCP X to this day is still pure garbage. The user interface continues to be unfathomable.
Apple doesn’t know what to do with FCPx - it’s not going anywhere and they don’t want to put anymore money into it because it’s a loser…
(And I still use it!)
They thought they could spin it off by making it subscription (like Adobe but without any enhancements) but they seemed to have realized that they need to make it their iPhone “filmmaking” editor… which is a waste because the cost of data storage is 💯 higher that actual - videocamera - content!
So they are struggling the moral dilemma of manufacturing overly expensive smartphones with ever less features using Chinese Wage Slave labor…
uh oh.... the Resolve bros aren't going to like this video. And you're 1000% correct that it's not the tools but the talent. The fastest way to tell me you're not a professional is to tribally align yourself with one editing program or company.
I'm a resolve bro these days....Premiere has been hot garbage for a few years now....and thankfully more and more projects seem to be moving towards it...but my favorite video editing software will always be "Whatever one you pay me to edit on."
@@Matein13 I will pay you to suffer in movie maker 😂
Saying the term "Resolve bros"...
Resolve gal here, but I like the video. It's the best tool for me to edit stuff with, but of Hollywood studios like Avid it doesn't bother me (until they want to hire me I guess, I never learned it properly). It's just interesting to hear what's going on in the industry~
@@MariWakocha avid is solid you just have to not try to use it like other programs. It’s designed to be an editor and that’s it. As with any program once u out time in, you can learn it. I hated premiere pro because I was too use to avid. I’m about to put my time in on resolve because I’m not trying to be a Hollywood editor
NGL avid is kinda cheeks
The devil you know, eh?
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avid is not for youtubers.
So sad. We need doctors lawyers and teachers..everyone wants to be an influencer..psthetic
Stop it with the zoom for emphasis shit - jesus so irritating.
Great video otherwise, thanks for posting. 🙂
I appreciate you watching.
I'm always open to alternative editing suggestions. Hit me.
Thanks!
I’m so used to social media editing I actually like it. 🤷🏾♂️