The utter disrespect Mr. Hayes displays towards the cultural importance of cabbage mining and the associated war dance that all cabbage miners perform while working is truly insulting.
I dunno what sounds scarier - the grifters at Gameforge resetting servers every month to wipe real-money purchases, or the players who keep re-buying those purchases. It's like EA's wet dream that it'd want to implement instead of pointlessly annualized game releases.
Resetting servers ? What the hell are you even talking about, nothing ever gets reset lol, there's just been server fusions and it didn't delete anything
I played this game for hundreds of hours when I was 12 to 14 years old. I was badly addicted to it, also spending quite a bit of my parents money for p2w items. This is quite dangerous for children who don't understand what a decent game should be like. Even now watching your content, I feel like I want to play this game again and at the same time I don't because of the bad game design. So odd.
U can literally get everything for free lit everything u want even from the coin shop with no afford u just have to go to bazar buy cheap stuff like 3 Makrels and some glass, brewing potions by wasteing 100k Gold (U get it ezly by doing 1 lvl 20 Raid and then u will be a millionare buying Real Money items for Ingame Gold a good pet costs like 20kk up to 200kk and u get it like in 3~5 Days so its a nice trading simulator
@@johnsmithson4479 uhm Nos Changed alot and the support is nice if i lose items by my mistakes im getting them back etc. Everything changed but the Players are toxic so its so much fun if they flame u and give them no chance to enter the pvp arena its only the Graphic that isnt that good but heay im playing pixel games like Terraria so its ok for me xD
@@salvatorerampello6247 new server Halloween Scroll = 600 DMG in Jack O Latern Raid +Double Gold= 30k per stack of gold in raid > getting 1kk in like 24 minutes trade gold to other server 1:10 so u get tons of gold ez clap no prob
@@a.j.thegamer703 I played a lot in the early 2010s, it was heavily populated and the in game economy made the purchase of cash shop content easy even without spending money (I worked my way up to lvl 93 with decent equipment spending 10€ one time for fun). The game itself is super grindy, boring at times, but the high level gameplay was super worth it imo. Specialist cards, special raids and events were super engaging. Sadly as time went on Gameforge stopped making decent updates and the game died. Still, I have fond memories of this game
@@a.j.thegamer703 they havent updated the early game at all, youre seeing a version of 2008 that broke over time, the steam version is a lot worse aswell bugs are actually very rare, the late game quite entertaining aswell, but its more metagame than actual game (how do i fill my pockets, how can i speedraid this)
I'm not sure is it more hilarious that there's an option or that you have to re-marry every month. Or do they actually migrate marriage status between servers in hope someone actually pay for the divorce? That wouldn't be as greedy as possible.
19:07 In Korean repeating K sounds like laughter, so it's shorthand for laughing. 100% could have been localized to lol. However given the poor localization and bad UI, I doubt anyone is even aware or would care to know about it.
It's also common on Brazil mostly because korean games like Ragnarok were extremly popular here on the 90's so the laught became part of our internet culture.
@@Spark_Chaser not to mention that the true worst can change as time goes on. Some people do that excessively in videos and it kinda becomes a dull descriptor, but Hayes doesn’t seem to do that as much, and his videos are so thorough and articulate that you truly understand WHY he’s so much more upset at this game than others he’s called the worst. Plus it helps he rarely comes from a place of anger in these critiques.
Seeing the video-title, i wanted to yell Noooooo, but at the same time, i dont play this game anymore cause it Soft-Locked me so hard i cant play anymore.
Yeah he said during his Fiesta video that this is his new "0" score. That Fiesta is hands down the worst MMO he's ever played. But then this demon waifu mobile "game" that was basically just porn with a predatory cash shop added to it.... that broke his soul. He had to get roaring drunk and frequently cuddle his pets while censoring half the "waifus" before UA-cam demonetized the video. I'd say the demon waifu one was worse, but it's actually debatable whether that one even qualified to be a game in the first place.
Ah, Nostale. My very first introduction to MMO's, years, *years* ago, back when the white boxes still showed tutorials, and when the northern entrance to the starting city was *crowded* with players setting up shops. This all makes me feel very... nostalgic. 😏
Heh. I started 2007 with no act 4, only SP1-4 available, no Mounts/Basar, old maps for the first part of Act 1 until fernon temple.... man those days...
Oh, goodness, I guess an explanation for the "gotcha" emoticon is in order. Different languages use different onomatopoeia for laughter, like lol for English or ja for Spanish. The game was likely translated from Korean since it was developed by the Korean developer Entwell Co., Ltd and was originally released in Korea, so that means that they used the Korean onomotopoea for laughter, k. It's why it's important to properly localize your games, so that you can avoid misunderstandings.
There's a similar one in Japanese, I think. I've seen "Ke Ke Ke" used as a devious chuckle sound sometimes, so I picked up what they meant to do based on that, but WOW that's an awkward localization issue.
And the fishing is a reference to trolling. The term trolling, meaning trying to pull a reaction, is a reference to a fishing technique, not a monster under a bridge. So the emote is "I trolled you, hahaha", hence the name "Gotcha."
What's sad is that a lot of the broken stuff either used to work or made sense. Like the white window is supposed to show a HTML page that does display on other versions of the game where the link is not broken. Or the UI looks weird because the game was built to display on CRT screens that were still common when it released, but it doesn't upscale with the resolution so now everything is tiny.
It's not even necessarily designed for CRT screens. The UI would probably look fine on a 1080p LCD screen. He plays in 4k, so a lot of games have a tiny UI because they probably used absolute pixel measurements, so the windows look 4 times smaller on a 4k screen.
THey are dogs in Japan and parts of Asia due to the slight mistranslation from the original D&D where they had doglike features. So that's why you will see puppybols in Asia why of course the US and WOtC spaces get the dragonbolds.
I remember when in italian instead of telling you to capture a chicken, the game told you to convert the chicken into an animal. Despite all of it's problems I still love this game, but probably nostalgia plays a part.
This game also had a Polish translation (extremely rare for MMOs and even some games nowadays) and I remember the translation there was also awful. In one of the first quests there is an item that is said to have strange letters (as in, characters, alphabet, you get the point), the Polish translation called them "strange letters (mail)".
Man this game was my childhood hahah I still remember how exciting it was to get your first SP But yeah definitely hasnt aged well and is now really just a money grabbing shell of its former self
@@mBossX yes sp3 were rare and so badass. Sp4 even more out of reach, act 4 was so fun. And it came back alive with sp5 release so fresh gameplay even 6/7/8 were great. Then it slowly died.
always funny to see how much gameforge squeezes every single dollar out of these old classics while not putting a cent into improving the game or fixing anything. nostale really couldve been a great game
4:27 I tried to give this game the benefit of the doubt. I really did, I held out hope through everything. But when I heard that you can't capture Big Chicken, I broke down in tears. It was 40 years ago when I was but a lad of 58 years old, and I asked my mother "mommy, will I be able to catch Big Chicken when I grow up?" and she told me, "son, if you believe in your heart and in yourself, and if an Anime MMO developer doesn't screw you over, you can do whatever you want." Big Chicken was my life. It was what got me up every morning. And now, I've never felt more disgrace at the state of the world. In the modern day, I thought this sort of thing would be over. Confined to the dustbin of history. This behavior has absolutely no place in an online game, and it's caused untellable grief and pain to myself and I'm sure to many others. I hope Entwell realizes what they've done.
I remember playing this fever dream as a child... I remember telling a friend in game we would duel someday as high level characters... I remember getting the light mage scroll thing and wanting to join a guild, but being denied because my job level wasn't high enough. Which meant more grinding. That was the point I just left... sorry random dude I found in this world, guess we wont ever duel.
I was that dude, i ended up being the strongest duelist in all of nostale. To this day i still spend all of my income in nosdollars. The void you left in my heart fueled my quest for supremacy and gruesome violence for at least a decade.
Just a minor point, the word Cobalt actually comes from the word "Kobold". When Cobalt was first discovered, it was given a name similar to "Goblin" or "Faerie", which we would know as "Kobold". Cobalt turns it's signature Cobalt Blue when oxidised. This likely ties into notions from Paracelsus' writings on elemental creatures.
My favorite hidden tutorial, and the one I think everyone is familiar with: Pokemon Centers. The first town never lets you buy potions at first, so you're forced to use the pokemon center, which is free.
It's quite an eye opening experience to finally see just how different NosTale is for new players who have never played this game and don't understand the mechanics of it. I've never even thought about just how important a tutorial can be since i already knew all i needed, but seeing Josh not even knowing he has skills for so long or even knowing to eat snacks during combat felt so surreal to me. It's really telling just how much the game doesn't tell you, the sorts of things that all players use on a daily basis like the afforementioned snacks or even Amulets and Wings of Return - the cheap consumable items for teleporting around the world. Similarly i was honestly surprised at some of the highlighted items in the Mall like seeds of power or Cylloan Spring Water, things you woul never waste your money on, but ones that clearly seemed like bad offenders to the ones not in the know. I have never even thought that someone could see a difficulty spike anywhere before at least around level 36 when you get your first SP card and the enemies get much stronger to compensate for that, or before completing Act 1 at level 55 when the game basicaly stops being a railroad, since you can't do just the main quest or even do the main quest at all. Well, overall i've quite enjoyed watching this, to me, allien view of NosTale though, I am a little sad it's never gotten to even the slightly more interesting parts of the game, even though i understand why, considering the time investment necessary to get that far, especially after seeing what the new player experience seems to be. Thanks for the video Josh. Ps: Fingers crossed for NosTale 2? Though i know it won't happen.
The game is so boring in act 1, everything take lot of time... and the act 3 with secret lab and zombies is so hard when you are too low in levels.... personally, I finished the lab with my cheaty sp4a - the guy with boomerang.
@@Postnghost1234 Look, I hadn't seen it when I wrote my comment, cut me some slack you judgemental bastard. However, I'm removing it if there's a problem. No offense was intended.
I played this game in italian at the time, and man this is probably one of my favorite MMOs just for the sheer nostalgia alone... The game starts to pick up only after level 36 when you get your first specialist, but I can understand the incredibly bland feel that the early game shows. This still makes me sad however :(
Ah yes, that traditional, dastardly enemy, that evil villain. *The striking worker* Truly, no effort must be spared, from summoning demons, to raising their corpses as footsoldiers to put down their living fellows. Feels good to be a hero.
tbf i remember that some point you eventually find out that the workers are the good guys and you start helping them. It was very confusing as a child and with the borken translation.
I actually remember the game. Back in the day when no one had the final SP card yet and there wasn't much p2w (I was pretty high level and not much weaker than the leader on the server, I never had a seed problem and I think they gave you 99 of the best potions at some point in the game which helped me up to level 55 or so) which might also be because the game actually had a price tag back in the day (I think around 10€). Was really fun leveling with your guild (or I think it was called family) and really annoying job leveling to get new skills and SP cards (killing the peas over and over again, though I think there was an option for auto killing, so you just let it run for a while). And the Samurai was just cool back in the day. Made for some fun arena fights (I think, you should have at least tried out the new combat style, because that is when the skills actually start to make sense especially when the element system comes into play as well). I also remember how you had to queue at a certain time to get into a daily event where the max player number was 100. Was always an important part to get in before 100 others got in. But I also have to say that the story got a bit confusing at a time since you always had to level up and that took a bit too long after lvl 50, therefore you always forgot what was actually happening. The dungeons were better in the later levels though (or maybe I just remember some specific ones). The difficulty spike might have also not be a huge problem for me back then, because I was playing with other people. Because contrary to how it appears, you don't need to do the rifts alone. You can form an actual party and do it together. And there isn't even a rule that the other party members are not allowed to have a certain level or their stats get set back. You can literally just ask a person with a high level to help you through a time space without any issue (and at least as far as I remember the community was nice enough to always do that, but I was playing on a German server, so maybe that is a difference). The only ones that you have to do alone are the ones for the SP cards (which are the best things in the game tbh) but as I mentioned above, I had 99 of the best healing potions so they weren't a problem either.
Heya if you don't mind me asking, i remember the 3rd SP card having a quest where you had to pay like 2 million (on the regular game currency that enemies dropped) or something, it was really like that or I'm remembering badly? Its been years I want to know also if the next ones also had some sort of money requirements bc i stopped playing when i was trying to do that quest so i have no clue what's after that
@@AldenEmroch Yes, you are right. It was quite a bit you had to pay of the ingame currency. It wasn't a huge issue the first time. However, this was one of the moments where the p2w aspect started to creep in. Because when you wanted to upgrade that SP card, you could basically only go to the third upgrade as everything else was way too dangerous as you would need to farm a lot of money again just so you could acquire the card again. And the third one was pretty important for the warrior class at least as it was the light attribute one which had huge bonuses in the late game areas.
fuck me priston tale NEEDS to be in one of these to ruin my childhood aswell, id say to put ragnarok online too for the 1-2 knockout combo but i dont know if its on the worst mmo ever level....yet
If he wants to destroy my childhood he should have a vid where he plays Shining Force[for the Megadrive] and gives and hour of shit about how bad it is. Cos I loved that game, it was like the 3rd or 4th I got aged 10 or so, and even now[37] I'll play it on emulator occasionally.
Hi, first of all thank you for taking a look at nostale and how shit it became but let me tell you it wasn't always like that .. I'm playing nostale vor about 11-12 years now and i spent thousands of hours in it, back when i was 9 years old playing on of of our old computers with my mother near me with a second one. we played on official nostale before act 4 was a thing and it was such a great time earlier to get into land of death with the family and such, we were a german speaking family called Camaraderia and most of our family members were 25 years or older with me being the (most likely) one of the youngest nostale players ever and leveling with them at the age of 10... after some years i took a long break and started playing again in 2017 while getting my first chars to level 90+ ... since more and more server merged and nostale gets older over the time, sadly most of the people left which is kinda sad to see because nostale really isnt a bad game (people who play 10 years already will agree how much fun it is) .. but one thing is the only reason the game lost its playercount and this thing is Ga*forge.. i mean gameforge with all those server merges over the years and endless ingame items which only made it harder to get after act 6 was released, the game almost lost all my respect. you simply couldnt concentrate on creating a character and getting the best of the server because you already knew from the beginning that once you start your journey, 6 months later the servers will get merged and everyone loses interest in this server you play on. The thing that changed my nostale experience forever was the release of the spanish private server called Nostale Vendetta. a private server that felt like nostale 2.0 because everything was so perfectly thought out and there was no need to grind weeks of weeks to get one level up. all items were easier to get even if that kind of item was a premium shop item. I had so much time on nostale vendetta like the first time i ever played nostale more than 10 years ago, met new friends like Kenzo, the family of Kristallauge called Kristallgrotte (one of the more famous nostale streamers) and many more... sadly that all changed when gameforge took down the server and bash left the nostale community. there are (or lets say there were) several other private servers. I played on almost everyone of them and was widely known by people of the private community... me and my family Serenyum were so hyped for every new private server that our whole family agreed to move from one to another and always hit rank 1-3 , no matter if it was Vendetta, Nosbyte, Luckynos, Noswings, Nosvoid and all the other ones. i thank everyone for that experience which no other game gives to me :) at the end all I can say is, nostale isnt the worst mmo ever in my opinion and if you give it a chance, it might be one of the best ever for some, but that is just the case if you were to start years back in the days.. but right now, gameforge ruined it all
Vendetta was essentially the first time it didn't feel dreadful to get to +80... I miss it In a few days they're gonna incorporate ACT 9 and all of it feels so odd to me. People nowadays have multiple accounts and it feels more pointless than ever to save gold. everyone wants in when a new server opens because we just know if you don't get a slice in the first bit, you'll likely go hungry, because inflation hits sooner than later thanks to players who put real money into the game or that farm gold with countless alt accs I really love the game, definitely nostalgia factor, but I can't exactly recommend it, specially nowadays. I'm tired of the countless pets too, I love pets!! but I also feel like the mini-pet implementation and the many boxes that give you the chance of a special op pet but you're not even guaranteed to get it... I hate gambling. I wouldn't do that ! I started at 9 years old too also! No one believed my age, all my friends there were 15 or older
It's funny that you ask if you're the bad guy to the Kobolds, because you are (For the moment). Later in the story, you learn of the poor working conditions and suppression the kobolds went through and help them instead with some guards who also decide to change sides. This leads to the kobolds asking for help from the demons to branch out into a bigger story.
@Beaverish Buck Teeth i mean its your choice if you wanna play on the new server or not. you can also just keep playing on the one where you have the progress
@Beaverish Buck Teeth what do u mean by morons who support this? its funny how you insult others for doing something which doesnt affect you at all. we join new servers because its insanely fun to start from new with EVERYONE else.. enjoying nostale again as if it was release day in 2006. its a completely different experience
-My childhood MMOs are ruined via being shut down by the Developers/Publishers. -This generation's childhood MMOs are ruined because they're turned into microtransaction hellscapes. The gaming industry is fun.
tbf at least it being shut down usually gives you a good last memory whats the point of a mmo continuing, only to become worse and worse as fun is swapped in for microtransactions & greedy system? it'd be better to have a proper goodbye than that, at least your last memory would be 'this game was great, shame it shutdown' over 'wow the game was ruined'
Warning, Nerd Shtuff: The fact that a keyhole was upside down is pointed out, and I know it's more of an iconic thing than anything else, but a keyway can be oriented in any direction. In fact, it's much better for it to be upside down as A: water can get into the pins and rust either the spring or pins themselves and B: the lock now doesn't have to rely on spring tension for a reset, as gravity can do the work for it.
@@BoyoLoco-rd2fi What's the point of this useless comment? It doesn't change the fact that the OP shared an interesting bit of trivia. Doesn't matter that you whined about it when 135 people (at the time of writing) enjoyed that info.
8 years and i still havent found a game like this, even with all its mistakes, that's why there's a lot of guys still playing this including most of my old friends.
@@Hosenbund1 yea, i guess i kept myself motivated thanks to my friends, I saw all the sps (5 at that time) before having the first and I wanted to beat them 🤣 then I saw Act4 and the rest is history
@@SonsOfMalice played ragnarok online.. it was nice too.. but RO is nothing like nostale. what makes nostale unique is the specialist cards ( sub classes) which u can equip and unequip based on the circumstances and element damage needed, and they completely change how u play the game.. without those the game would have been long forgotten and shut down already..but exactly this system makes the game amazing
23:45 Cobalt is actually named after Kobalds, it was though that Kobalds cursed iron ore to make people sick when it was smelted. Cobalt tends to give off extremely toxic gases when smelted. The Baldur's Gate quest is also a reference to this.
Oh man, excluding the pay to win aspects, I love Nostale :-) It definitely left a childish NostAlgia in me after when I used to play it around the age of 11. It has some really good systems around social mass cooperations that become necessary to level up in the later stage of the game and the game has an original design and look. It's one of the game I wished you would do 'Worst MMO' for. It gets better and much diverse later on in the game. The first many hours for a new player feel awful though. Thanks Josh.
It looks like a fun game it's just very outdated understandably there's a lot of people who played it long ago and will always love it because of nostalgia hell it's the main reason I still enjoy wow despite everything bad about it to this day
The coolest part of this game was changing your class at will by equipping different special cards and by levelling them up and upgrading them you could gain point to spend in that card to boost attack, defense, stamina and elemental power and it was up to you to decide how to use those points, at the time it was really unique, I don't think that other mmo had this mechanic. The problem is that the game developers decided to lock this thing after a ridiculously high level, so a lot of players dropped the game before getting there. The pacing in general is slow as hell if you don't know what you're doing.
I remember the first time I was playing the game was back in 2007-2008 and it took me like MONTHS to get to sp1 and sp2 (I was 10 years old) I played quite a long time and if I return now, its literally like 2-3days until I get sp1, since I remember everything
Playing game myself a year later. Gameforge fixed the blank screens for tutorial :D Good job Josh :3 Capturing pets also got fully remade with new specialist card but also the basic capturing skill got cooldown changed to 15 or 20 seconds so those early quests are way less annoying.
I played this game in the past (a lot) It was my first mmo ever. It is pay 2 win. It is repetitive and broken. But I really like the way they approached the class system. You have three classes in this game (mage, swordsman, archer) and every class is able to equip different specialist cards. That means that a mage e.g. can wear a fire specialist card which turns you into a powerful fire mage. There are also other specialists like ice mage, light mage (healing) and dark mage which uses e.g. guns instead of a staff. Overall I had much fun with the game and afterwards it really is a love/ hate relationship because I think that the game itself is quite nice, but the way they arranged everything, the amount of pay2win makes it less pleasing and there are clearly better ways to waste your precious time and money. Thank you for the nice review of my childhood :)
Oh you missed. Its not instead of staff. Its the secondary weapon. All the classes had cards that used their core classes' secondary as a main weapon. That was really cool when I found out about it.
What Witchcraft is this?!? TWO full videos in one Saturday evening?!? Awesome! Sitting all cozy wrapped up with a nice mug of black tea after having a back molar tooth pulled this morning. I can't think of a nicer way to end a day and begin another weekend of RPG's and MMO'ing! Have a great weekend everyone 💖
I played this game so much when I was younger, early game is actually not too bad even though repetitive. It gets more interesting when SP and Raids are unlocked but above level 50 it becomes extremely grindy and pay2win and you have to keep getting another level to even continue playing the quests. There is a place for power leveling but you need to group up with stronger players to even benefit from that. The worst part is upgrading of your gear which requires MTX for a reasonable chance at success and to remove the massive risk of losing your item. PVP also feels very unfair with ridiculous range and some players becoming extremely tanky, I always hated the smurf level 35 characters with low level gear upgraded to the maximum to farm other low level players in PVP.
I played A LOT of this as a kid, I now know how flawed it is and was but I really had a lot of fun with it. There really was a sense of community and sticking together in this game, sometimes the default town music still plays in my head. By todays standards this game is absolute trash and the anime stuff doesn't help but running endgame raids and doing the land of the dead was such a blast; looking at players with +15 Specialists or whatever and wanting to look just as cool as them, I still remember the day I got my crusader to +9 or 10, whichever it was. A lot of good memories before they fully sold out and started going hard on p2w with those scooter and flying carpet mounts being the beginning of the end.
That game looks like Yugioh to the power of ToonTown and has a teacher who sounds like the late Alan Young's Scrooge McDuck. Also check out his vid on Secondhand Lands & Warhammer 40K Eternal Crusade. The former cause of the line "Can you say alloy?" Which to me indicates it was gonna be a child friendly game like Toontown before going in a more gritty direction. And the latter cause it gives you an idea for why it shut down. Also his Seven Deadly Sins of MMO Design series makes for a good binge.
I was one of the ppl asking for Nostale. Having played it for a bit more than 2 years with my classmate, but in the end gave up at lvl96 (when the cap was still 99 xd). Me, my trash village internet in Germany and my first own pc with 14 really had some clunky fun in this one, but man ... before lvl 40-45 you had your fun with friends and after that it got so grindy and expected you to spend money to upgrade your gear (or destroy it if you dont have the cash shop stuff if it fails) ... and the whole design choices went down the drain Dumb teen me sadly got hooked and grinded almost to the end of the lvl cap, thankfully i didnt spend more than 50€ overall on the game, since back in the days you could trade game money against cash shop items in the market place. Even then i wondered why the fuck anyone would do that ... why spend your own money to sell game items to kids for game money ... that doesnt get you anything
It DOES get you something: MOney. LOTS of money. Kids have poor impulse control. Typically poor understanding of the concept of the Value of Money and it being a Limited Resource. Not to mention kids begging their parents to give them money to buy stuff, and the parents relenting. etc. Also takes full advantage of Adults with Poor Impulse Control and other stuff too.
Seeing the video-title, i wanted to yell Noooooo, but at the same time, i dont play this game anymore cause it Soft-Locked me so hard i cant play anymore.
I love how you had trouble with the early game mobs because you didn't upgrade your skills because the tutorial window doesn't work on steam and you had no idea how to lol
agree, i love it when games allow you to adventure to zones you are def not meant to be in. my favorite example of this is in wow when i did explore hyjal achievement in wow as lvl 20 alliance druid. Everything in hyjal one shot me and aggroes stupid far and on top of that i was being sent to ashenvale to grave near astranaar as alliance. so i def got the message: do not enter here at all. and i didn't care and i explored entire hyjal while each ghost run to body took 25 minutes. ashenvale->felwood->winterspring where you are forced to jump at mountains since the bridge is collapsed to get into mount hyjal range where you get ghost griffin. 10/10 would do it again. and i kinda did. in northrend i had to do a quest. this quest required me to speak to npc that was too high for my darkmoon cannon to shoot to, so i tried walking at mountains, this worked i got to platform where the quest was, but i died due fall damage. so my route to body was following: sholazar basin->borean tundra->dragonblight->crystalsong->ice crown->sholazar basin. i love it when quest can be technically done by me lvl 20, but then blizzard just forgets to scale enemies. shadowlands is full of enemies that had lvl ??? right next to lvl 20 enemies.
I love how you haven't even gotten to the point you can choose a class. After that you need tems of hours to get your first specialization and it just get grindier from there.
The one I Wanted since I discovered this channel. I loved this game, and in some ways I love it even today, but gosh is there so many flaw and predatory monetization in this game
That's NASTY the way the game just insults you and calls you a loser when you fail their clearly rigged dungeons so that you play the regular difficulty, die more, and thus spend more money to keep trying
Lol I knew you'd cover this game eventually. It's a little weird to admit but I've been playing this game on and off for over a decade, but not in the way one might think. I had to played the original game for a few years but got stuck somewhere in act 2, where the paywall really was. You can argue it was the last timespace of act 1 but I just asked someone to carry me through it. 5 or so years in, been stuck for a couple, but I still hung out and enjoyed the game, doing the seasonal events and raids I could do at my level. Eventually, I caught wind of the scumminess, and I found out a private server called Nostale Vendetta came out. I played that, and got to level 80 something within a couple of weeks. The pay to win stuff was removed from the in-game shop and sold by an NPC in Nosville, which was the point of the server. The cash shop just had cosmetics. By the time I was done with the game I was at level 92, 7 levels from the max. However, a couple of years after its release, the admin of the server posted a short paragraph on the forum and said "Hey, unfortunately due to reasons I cannot disclose I have to shut down the game" as a tl;dr. This struck a cord through the community and people said that the reason for the shutdown was most likely a lawsuit, and if the admin said anything it would probably get Gameforge into deep shit with a lot of backlash, since most of the playerbase moved to Vendetta at that point and was equally sick of the p2w shit as I was. There are still a bunch of private servers en masse, and I played one very recently while I was waiting for Endwalker to come out. However, I got sick of the grindy aspect that replaced the p2w very quickly. I spent many, many hours and I still wasn't done leveling. Even though I play FFXIV now and enjoy it much better, Nostale still, oddly enough, holds a place in my heart. It's a love-hate relationship. TL;DR Gameforge is incredibly greedy and sucks.
"I spent many, many hours and I still wasn't done leveling." That was always the case though and what made Nostale & MMOs in general great imo. Nowadays it's replaced by fast leveling because all the content happens at endgame, but this wasn't the case back then.
Wow, this reminded me so much of an MMO I always used to play when I was younger, Flyff. The grind, the anime look, the grind, the bugs and oh, did I mention the grind?!
It’s actually crazy how this game is never really dying, I remember playing it 10 years ago and coming back last year to check on it, and there was still a shitton of people ( at least on the French servers)
I mean, I know the Gotcha emote is probably supposed to be a guy laughing after baiting someone to fall for something because I used to play a game with a Filipino guy who explained it to the rest of the guild when we got really confused by him randomly acknowledging that group. It was a great moment. Spent some time after researching and sharing other ways other cultures and communities portray laughter through text. Someone in localization should probably realized that plenty of Western players would've never had that lesson though.
I think I remember that one. Pretty sure the game randomly unbound my move keys, I remember talking about it in chat and having a bunch of people show up to help me
I had a character at lvl 53. All my childhood playing that game. So much nostalgia, so many memories... I tried to get into the account last year (after, like, 9 years of not playing)... all erased. I couldn't get it back, neither any info in it. "But it was such an amazing game. I can't just give up yet!" So I did a new account, this time on Steam so I wouldn't lose my data again. Played some days, got it to lvl 28 or something like it. Stopped playing (cuz' it wasn't the same, of course), and came back after some months. My account was erased. Again. This game can go f*ck itself. Amazing childhood game, I don't recomend it. There is a lot of better options out there.
they banned my account because supposedly i bought something and didnt pay (how the hell would you even do that in the ingame shop?) then said they cant do anything about it because it has been too long XD
Never played it myself but if have a friend who like you started playing again after many years and he still had all his stuff so my guess is that is not something about your account being to old they just fucked you in particular because reasons
@@philritter9042 It was 12 years ago. Play Final Fantasy XIV. It's worth you time, and excellent experience, and incredibly fun. Nostale was a good kickstart for children on MMORPGs, but not worth anymore.
This game is just special i played it in 2008-2012 and since then i come back on this game every 2-3 years… it has it’s own unique player community, if you never played this game you can’t tell.
Oh man, I remember playing this back in high school. It was one of the only games my shitty laptop could play reliably. It was a good time though, cause I actually had friends who could play with me.
*Josh:* "Games should have a hidden tutorial" *Devs:* "Aha, got it! Hey Bob, can we make all the tutorial window contents hidden? Just make them, y'know, not show up when the window comes up. Yeah, perfect! 'Hidden tutorial': check!"
Every nostale player hates the early game... normally the white windows tell you very useful stuff, that you missed. It would have been a totally different experience if u played through with an expert player but you showed nicely how frustrating the game for a new player is. The game really shines with the mid to endgame content and is very populated in all areas at least on the international servers. Good video
This was the game I was addicted to. Like, legitimately, peeing and drooling myself because I didn't want to stop playing. Getting the "You've been playing for 20 hours. Please take a rest." I even said I was feeling really sick so I could get days off school to play this game. I'm glad I realised it being a problem but the only way I could stop myself from playing was to get all my accounts banned for hacking (using cheats to beat minigames in people's houses).
My first girlfriend got me into this game for a spell. I remember thinking it was alright but it was way too...obviously gamey in how it presents itself. Being a free low spec MMO from 2008 times, I didn't expect too much. Then we switched to a fanserver of Ragnarok Online and that blew it out of the water.
Looks really like Ragnarok, but Ragnarok looks still smoother from gameplay, only the graphics are better in Nostale but I still prefer Ragnarok praphics.
Just play Dragonveil server it's so chill and very populated! I spent 0 real-world money in this game and i've got a lot of good stuff. But this game is about grind, gold farm, power creep, gambling and CHATTING! I love my family (Everdream). I really recommend this game but play in slow pace and during seasonal events like X-Mas, Halloween etc.
Watching this series has reminded me why i have played a grand total of TWO MMOs in my entire life, that being WOW and later on SWTOR... WOW because my friends played it, and when everyone i knew got fed up with it, i never found a reason to stick with it... SWTOR because i'm a MASSIVE Star Wars fan, and i enjoyed the class specific stories and fun companions!
20:30 I know where this is going. When Mac OS X El Capitan was new, Apple had a webpage for it that said “There’s more to love with every click”.s But if you looked at the HTML code, you’d see they added some CSS to slightly increase the letter spacing of that last word, with no explanation.
the tutorial windows that didn't show up for you are super outdated anyway. The game has a lot to offer, like when you get your 1st "specialist card" gameplay changes and becomes more fast paced and you start to see big damage numbers... but the beginning of the game is just super slow and off-putting resulting in low player retention rate.
Damn this is a throwback to primary school. I think this was the first mmo I played. It had some weird design choices but as a kid I was so into it. The weird class system. The way the skills worked. The pet catching system. It’s also funny to see that killing peas with a turtle pet is still the best way to farm “proficiency” points, or whatever they were called. The pints were needed to level part of your class or something along those lines.
I played this game for years and was my first MMO back when i was like 13. That was... 11 years ago. I mad a lot of friends on that game and i still talk with some of them, i loved it, but with time and growing up i realized Gameforge only wanted to get money out of it. New acts feel cheap, recycled, nothing is really original. It's been years since i last played it, i was a veteran player on Eternity, a spanish server, and made it to 96 there as an archer. The game had such potential with the Specialist Cards it blows a lot of other korean MMOs out of the water, and i have to admit, i kinda feel the same watching this video as you did making the Neverwinter one. It's... idk, a mix between disappointment and feeling nostalgic, somehow. Like a toxic relationship we could say?
Same. Looking back, it was a horrible mess of a game, but I still have fond memories from it, being my first MMO. And uniquely the only side-scrolling MMO at the time, and maybe ever since?
@@gnerkus i think you are confusing japanese for ancient latin... cuz that's definitely not a thing in japanese. V sound is always replaced by B sound in japanese
Played this game 10+ years ago. At the time it was fun and interesting compared to other games, but i didn't know better :P Tried it after a couple years and quit pretty quick, with the game pushing you through the early areas without any difficulty...
Seeing the video-title, i wanted to yell Noooooo, but at the same time, i dont play this game anymore cause it Soft-Locked me so hard i cant play anymore.
While I agree the game does get better later (if you have friends ), the start is definitely the most grindy and slow experience i had as a kid and the only reason I kept playing is cause my friends played with me too and they basically helped me with all the dungeons since I didn't understood how the skill systems worked completely. You asked why the high level people grind on low level places and is so they can level up the exp of their SP cards (the transformations) bc no matter how high level you are the peas give you 0,2 of exp or something like that on the card so when you have it at max lv you get all the skills instead of doing it slowly like usual, i remember i was starting to dislike this aspect when someone i played with wasted TWO DAYS, two whole days grinding there non stop lol I played on the official Spanish version so I'm not sure if it works different or if it's already just 1 server but I'm too afraid to check, as far as I remember while there was p2w it wasn't that bad,you could survive by your own it was good I stopped playing when i got to the 3rd sp , to get it (at least at the time) you had to pay 2 MILLION in the currency of the game, which doesn't sound that bad but monsters only drop up to 1500 coins( if you're lucky , it's regularly 400-600 and there's less monsters on that area)on that part of the game, it was bullshit lol and my friends moved to elsword at that time so i had no reason to play The raids and stuff with a lot of people are definitely the think that made it more fun for me, but since there's less people is not worth it anymore
I played on polish server. I remember that every 2 hours there was an event stage that would be 5 waves of mobs and a ton if loot every wave. I remember being able to get first level of wings in the first real card (not pyjama, lol) relatively easily and it costed 1m gold.
The concept of freely transforming into something else anytime you want is what made this game great. As an Archer, you could transform into a "sub class" that specializes into using Bow or Dagger or Rifle or Boomerang or Canon or Crossbow or Pistol or Flying Dagger or a Spear. All of that transformation have each of their own atleast 10 skills. There are also "neutral sub class" which all of the classes are able to use. That variation is what made this game unique. I really hope someone would take this concept and bring it to another level.
@@IamaPERSON heck yeah. After guild wars 1 popped up all bets were off anyway, this is more like an obscure history series with a title geared for SEO lol
Hey Josh I've done some play testing on PC games aswell as mobile games when I asked about the reverse scrolling I was told that most younger people use mobile before PC and the scroll wheel is reversed so that out mimics scrolling on a touch screen.
I remember playing this when the international/western version came out. Player housing and trainable pets were a massive draw at the time, especially for players used to games like Ragnarok Online
Now that I finished the vid, I agree completely about your verdict. If the game wasn't made like trash it would be atleast a good mmo. The combat/job lvl, the specialist cards, the equips, later quests, raids and frozen crown. Man even lod is fun, Levelibg up and eventually being able to full map lod. So much good, but at the same time, way too much bad. I wanna do late game content but I dont have the time before a new server comes oit.. lol Also, steam client looks janky af.
Just a hunch here, "Kovolt" might be some variation of the word "Kobold" which in some games have been depicted as a humanized dog creature. I know that's how the game Wizardry presents them.
@@kingpin3690 oh it's even worse. The game is full of bots now and stupid partner's specialists. There's one that makes the whole map's ground shake. They're afk auto farming at the piis so it's always shaking. Bots everywhere and multiaccounts allowed.... I tried playing a few days ago and even nostalgia couldn't keep me hooked
Josh Strife Hayes, those boxes of tutorial should load up a image, but, AS BAD AS IT IS, IT DOESN'T, AND IF IT DOES, THEY DON'T HELP, literally, i've been 3 years playing Nostale, creating other characters and that stuff, and those boxes just till you WHAT YOU JUST KNEW SECONDs AGO (well, except for the nosmate and alchemy pic tutorials, those tells you how to feed your nosmate and also how to upgrade your equipament, which the actual in-game doesn't tell you)
A friend of mine wanted me to try this game in high school after I already had played mediocre to good MMOs like Warpfire and Drakensang, so I hated every second of this and didn't play more than 20min. Drakensang was just patched to death in recent years, you could give it a try for the series. For example, my entire gear was gone when I logged back in after a few years.
Had a friend who also tried to get me into it but it’s neither my kind of game/ graphics/ mechanics and without his help I was quite helpless to do anything
A lot of these games really suffer from age. This game for example is already 16 years old. The complaints are of course all valid. They just didn't care to update the old systems. He probably missed a bit much since until level 20 you play a tutorial class, but I don't think it matters much.
After getting your SP it became finally fun. Then you would hit the grind wall where killing 1 mob was giving you 0.02% of XP and since the level of SP class is separated from your "basic" level and that SP are limited in time for use, then you would have to wait A LOT to max it up. Or pay for SP recharge.
@Sævo yea and the grind wall isnt as insane as this person claims either.. you are leveling in land of death anyways maxing a sp to level 99 takes some hours in lod..thats it
I'm one of the top PVE players on international-1 server and, yes, the game is P2W or "HARD MULTICLIENT PLAY". Leveling system is so bad until lv.55. Reaching the maximum level (99+80) requires around 800 hours of hard exping. The game is total RNG. To get a good PVE/PVP equip you need to find it rarity 7 or 8 with specific stats that you can't change. To farm money, you need to buy ND or create a large set of alters to play raids with more than 1 character. Everything is a pain in the ass but we love this game unconditionally. The only good thing on this game is having a family to play together while talking on discord. That's the only good thing this game have today.
@@Laracheal He should also try to convince some of his closest friends to make the jump as well. Starting a new multiplayer game alone can be harsh for someone used to social interaction.
@@Laracheal no idea why but it keeps dragging me back aswell, its very fun in a very specific way but its kinda like an abusive relationship where you get whipped with grinding for some fun with the community also i like making a living out of the game selling gold for money since ive always been good at getting gold also also i recently tried different mmos and i hate how i dont know how it works since if sunk in so much time, learning new ones takes a lot of effort without reward at the beginning, i dont have any goals for example on a wow p server, the combat just isnt as fun or fluid as nos (i like just having to throw in 2 quick spells and 30 things die, the floor splattered with loot that is all somewhat useful, picking it up and going to the next batch)
Josh thanks for your content. I'm a racing/flight sim guy and I can't say I've ever played an MMO beyond an hour of the original Guild Wars back in 2005. I'm probably not the intended audience for your content, but I'm hooked on your worst MMO series. Hoping one day to see some MMO recommendations for people who couldn't care less about MMOs!
The major problem this game has, is that EVERY new update is focused on the late game only. It’s not noob friendly and there is no such thing as “new player”. Why would it be when the game has 12 yo mechanics in the early game, and if you have low knowledge on how to grind fast, the mid to late game feels incredibly long. And I haven’t even mentioned the champion level exp system, which is not a minor thing, it’s acutally the most important thing in the game. If you want to go more in depth with this, i can explain to you why this game sucks way more than you said, as a late game player
I love nostale, been playing it for 6 years in elementary school, i love the nostalgia it brings to me, its not a best game but I have many good memories with it
I think it would've gone a lot smoother if you played with an experienced player keeping you company Right away some mistakes could've been avoided, Big chickens are NPCs, Mousetrap is a config, etc! But I think that shows how the nostale can be unwelcoming to new players who don't have anyone roping them into it. That being said, early game experience has always been boring, specially skill-less combat. SP cards add a lot of the fun mechanics, things like PVP with an assassin for example or getting into glacernon can be very strategic! And the game has only gotten easier early on with the years. Some details i've come across: Experience gain bonus up until lvl 80 i think? thanks to the martial artist Easier/cheaper SP cards(the og 4), some missions used to ask for hunting 70 enemies and it's down to 40 now, then you had to pay 3kk, now its 2kk You're basically given FREE resistance equipment (gloves and boots)of all kinds now. It didn't use to be like that, you needed to buy them or make them from scratch and the game didn't really tell you that else you'd get stuck in those missions The recollection chance for items like iron ore, wheat, fragant grass, water etc has gone way up. I remember how dumb it was to sit and click for wheat only to fail miserably The drop chance for mission items was also increased exponentially. A HUGE issue is the lack of active/new players because they contribute to variety in basaar, before when things were busy you could buy or sell low level equipment no problem, now most of the players are concentrated on the 90+lvl and the new level system, so unless you catch up to them it feels lonely as hell. I don't think it's a great game. I only go back to it cause I started playing it when I was 9 and I like it, but I do think its simple enough to start in mmos, and easier than ever now to reach lvl 80. After that there's now more than enough ways to gain and spend gold,
Lost it a "Top the Blacksmith. That's his name, not a command."
i died at this part and had to check the 2nd monitor even while in a lost ark dungeon
I almost spit out my tea
I lost it 😂
Josh really giving content for the gays, yasssss
same lmao
The utter disrespect Mr. Hayes displays towards the cultural importance of cabbage mining and the associated war dance that all cabbage miners perform while working is truly insulting.
The very idea of cabbage miners is hilarious.
best part is the dance they do is called the Cabbage Patch.
Yes indeed.
Cabbage is indeed the most important cultural activity. So says I, the Cabbage Preacher.
Dance for the cabbages! It pleases them!
I dunno what sounds scarier - the grifters at Gameforge resetting servers every month to wipe real-money purchases, or the players who keep re-buying those purchases.
It's like EA's wet dream that it'd want to implement instead of pointlessly annualized game releases.
If EA didn't release the same game annually, then how else would they be able to introduce new game-breaking bugs?
I mean... Project Ascension gets away with it too, but at least you can rebuy most of those perks with gold pretty easily.
what the *actual fuck*
Resetting servers ? What the hell are you even talking about, nothing ever gets reset lol, there's just been server fusions and it didn't delete anything
@@GruppeSechs With the exception that you know it'll get reset, since it's seasonal. But yeah seasonal with microtransactions is ... eugh
I played this game for hundreds of hours when I was 12 to 14 years old. I was badly addicted to it, also spending quite a bit of my parents money for p2w items. This is quite dangerous for children who don't understand what a decent game should be like. Even now watching your content, I feel like I want to play this game again and at the same time I don't because of the bad game design. So odd.
U can literally get everything for free lit everything u want even from the coin shop with no afford u just have to go to bazar buy cheap stuff like 3 Makrels and some glass, brewing potions by wasteing 100k Gold (U get it ezly by doing 1 lvl 20 Raid and then u will be a millionare buying Real Money items for Ingame Gold a good pet costs like 20kk up to 200kk and u get it like in 3~5 Days so its a nice trading simulator
@@koalaface bro realize you are wasting your time and that they are taking advantage of you and go play a better MMO that respects your time
@@johnsmithson4479 uhm Nos Changed alot and the support is nice if i lose items by my mistakes im getting them back etc. Everything changed but the Players are toxic so its so much fun if they flame u and give them no chance to enter the pvp arena its only the Graphic that isnt that good but heay im playing pixel games like Terraria so its ok for me xD
@@koalaface lvl 20 raid? 200kk in 3-5 days i need you to teach me
@@salvatorerampello6247 new server Halloween Scroll = 600 DMG in Jack O Latern Raid +Double Gold= 30k per stack of gold in raid > getting 1kk in like 24 minutes trade gold to other server 1:10 so u get tons of gold ez clap no prob
I've been waiting for this video for so long.
I wasted thousands of hours on this game and I still hate/love it
U serious? Is the game as buggy as when Josh play it?
@@a.j.thegamer703 I played a lot in the early 2010s, it was heavily populated and the in game economy made the purchase of cash shop content easy even without spending money (I worked my way up to lvl 93 with decent equipment spending 10€ one time for fun).
The game itself is super grindy, boring at times, but the high level gameplay was super worth it imo. Specialist cards, special raids and events were super engaging. Sadly as time went on Gameforge stopped making decent updates and the game died.
Still, I have fond memories of this game
@@a.j.thegamer703 they havent updated the early game at all, youre seeing a version of 2008 that broke over time, the steam version is a lot worse aswell
bugs are actually very rare, the late game quite entertaining aswell, but its more metagame than actual game (how do i fill my pockets, how can i speedraid this)
@d R Who hurt my man? Can a guy do what he wants without you patronizing his ass with your vision of life?
@d R u really have problems man, go live your life, stop bothering people over internet
The idea of getting divorced in a chibi anime game is hilarious
IMMERSION ↗️
I'm not sure is it more hilarious that there's an option or that you have to re-marry every month. Or do they actually migrate marriage status between servers in hope someone actually pay for the divorce? That wouldn't be as greedy as possible.
You have no idea how SRS BZNZ having a gf/wife was in maplestory back in the day. The global chat drama was never ending.
MMO marriages are srs bsns
I'm surprised they don't make you hire a divorce lawyer as well.
19:07
In Korean repeating K sounds like laughter, so it's shorthand for laughing. 100% could have been localized to lol. However given the poor localization and bad UI, I doubt anyone is even aware or would care to know about it.
Yea, similar to the thai 555.
Yup. ㅋㅋㅋ basically means LOL. And it sounds like KKK.
It's also common on Brazil mostly because korean games like Ragnarok were extremly popular here on the 90's so the laught became part of our internet culture.
But why is the icon that pops up is a guy fishing? Just show a dude laughing
@@EJ_Red Because the emote is for "Gotcha"; the use is for when someone is baiting you into something then laughing at you when you take it.
Still waiting for Josh to say one day: "This is the worst MMO ever. And I'm not talking about the series"
I think there have been a few where he's hit that point, but I think he's still trying to be constructive and objective about his reviews.
@@Spark_Chaser not to mention that the true worst can change as time goes on. Some people do that excessively in videos and it kinda becomes a dull descriptor, but Hayes doesn’t seem to do that as much, and his videos are so thorough and articulate that you truly understand WHY he’s so much more upset at this game than others he’s called the worst. Plus it helps he rarely comes from a place of anger in these critiques.
He's done it twice I think. Bloodlines Prima then Fiesta Online
Seeing the video-title, i wanted to yell Noooooo,
but at the same time, i dont play this game anymore cause it Soft-Locked me
so hard i cant play anymore.
Yeah he said during his Fiesta video that this is his new "0" score. That Fiesta is hands down the worst MMO he's ever played.
But then this demon waifu mobile "game" that was basically just porn with a predatory cash shop added to it.... that broke his soul. He had to get roaring drunk and frequently cuddle his pets while censoring half the "waifus" before UA-cam demonetized the video.
I'd say the demon waifu one was worse, but it's actually debatable whether that one even qualified to be a game in the first place.
Ah, Nostale. My very first introduction to MMO's, years, *years* ago, back when the white boxes still showed tutorials, and when the northern entrance to the starting city was *crowded* with players setting up shops.
This all makes me feel very... nostalgic. 😏
Heh. I started 2007 with no act 4, only SP1-4 available, no Mounts/Basar, old maps for the first part of Act 1 until fernon temple.... man those days...
... God i had so much fun with this game back in the day (like 2008 I think). I found it to be really enjoyable tbh
@Juan Antonio yea haha it is kinda weird that they fuckrd up so badly
I remember when put vessels in the shops
My first introduction to MMO's was 4Story
Oh, goodness, I guess an explanation for the "gotcha" emoticon is in order.
Different languages use different onomatopoeia for laughter, like lol for English or ja for Spanish. The game was likely translated from Korean since it was developed by the Korean developer Entwell Co., Ltd and was originally released in Korea, so that means that they used the Korean onomotopoea for laughter, k. It's why it's important to properly localize your games, so that you can avoid misunderstandings.
It looked like a piece of chicken as the bait on the hook. Not a good look.
There's a similar one in Japanese, I think. I've seen "Ke Ke Ke" used as a devious chuckle sound sometimes, so I picked up what they meant to do based on that, but WOW that's an awkward localization issue.
here on Brasil plenty of people also use the k laughter too, if fact is the most common way of laughing
@@defaltthelonerpois é kk
And the fishing is a reference to trolling. The term trolling, meaning trying to pull a reaction, is a reference to a fishing technique, not a monster under a bridge. So the emote is "I trolled you, hahaha", hence the name "Gotcha."
What's sad is that a lot of the broken stuff either used to work or made sense.
Like the white window is supposed to show a HTML page that does display on other versions of the game where the link is not broken. Or the UI looks weird because the game was built to display on CRT screens that were still common when it released, but it doesn't upscale with the resolution so now everything is tiny.
@Beaverish Buck Teeth all he did was say that the stuff used to work mate
@Beaverish Buck Teeth Stop being angry and touch some grass mate.
Your are the one coping
It's not even necessarily designed for CRT screens. The UI would probably look fine on a 1080p LCD screen. He plays in 4k, so a lot of games have a tiny UI because they probably used absolute pixel measurements, so the windows look 4 times smaller on a 4k screen.
@Beaverish Buck Teeth stop coping. Your parents don't love you :(
@@NaudVanDalen Where does he say that he plays in 4K?
I feel like mentioning that kobolds in fiction have appeared as rats, lizards, and like in this game, dogs. They're oddly diverse in fiction.
Them being Ko *v* olts feels like a typo or a translation error from someone who can't english.
@@Utrilus Kobold is a german word
@@Utrilus i was really hoping it was a pun and they had electricity powers
THey are dogs in Japan and parts of Asia due to the slight mistranslation from the original D&D where they had doglike features. So that's why you will see puppybols in Asia why of course the US and WOtC spaces get the dragonbolds.
Their original depiction in D&D was as dog-men. The Dragon-Men style came much later.
"You mine the cabbage by dancing at it" Only in an MMO.
Even funnier is the fact that the dance is called The Cabbage Patch.
I remember when in italian instead of telling you to capture a chicken, the game told you to convert the chicken into an animal. Despite all of it's problems I still love this game, but probably nostalgia plays a part.
Zeb ci ha regalato una perla, se guardi il suo video ritrovi quella scritta
@@zoukybd6847 "Trasforma il pollo in un animale?!"
@@Neto343 Incredibile fratello, incredibile
I want a compilation of errors like this.
This game also had a Polish translation (extremely rare for MMOs and even some games nowadays) and I remember the translation there was also awful. In one of the first quests there is an item that is said to have strange letters (as in, characters, alphabet, you get the point), the Polish translation called them "strange letters (mail)".
Man this game was my childhood hahah
I still remember how exciting it was to get your first SP
But yeah definitely hasnt aged well and is now really just a money grabbing shell of its former self
getting the first sp was the most exciting thing as a kid.
I remember visiting a friend and he played nostale and had sp3, I was stunned
@@mBossX yes sp3 were rare and so badass. Sp4 even more out of reach, act 4 was so fun. And it came back alive with sp5 release so fresh gameplay even 6/7/8 were great. Then it slowly died.
always funny to see how much gameforge squeezes every single dollar out of these old classics while not putting a cent into improving the game or fixing anything.
nostale really couldve been a great game
It was a great game hahaha but too much release and people became overcheated with heroic stuff... T_T
EU servers are full right now love to play it
Yeah thats why i dont use the market lol
Thats gamingo.
4:27 I tried to give this game the benefit of the doubt. I really did, I held out hope through everything. But when I heard that you can't capture Big Chicken, I broke down in tears. It was 40 years ago when I was but a lad of 58 years old, and I asked my mother "mommy, will I be able to catch Big Chicken when I grow up?" and she told me, "son, if you believe in your heart and in yourself, and if an Anime MMO developer doesn't screw you over, you can do whatever you want." Big Chicken was my life. It was what got me up every morning. And now, I've never felt more disgrace at the state of the world. In the modern day, I thought this sort of thing would be over. Confined to the dustbin of history. This behavior has absolutely no place in an online game, and it's caused untellable grief and pain to myself and I'm sure to many others. I hope Entwell realizes what they've done.
Heartbreaking. Simply unforgivable actions towards you.
A moving story. Truly, you are a soliloquist of our time
@Oğuzhan Özmen no
Given the Union busting plotline one has to be surprised this game has not been picked up by Amazon.
Probably because you join the workers' side later in the game in order to fight against dogs that are working with the demon
... or just by anything American, really.
@@Nightykk I love it here in America, I made very good money for reasonable work with solid benefits.
It would improve the game if players could play as a miner.
Fucking Anime Pinkertons.
I remember playing this fever dream as a child... I remember telling a friend in game we would duel someday as high level characters...
I remember getting the light mage scroll thing and wanting to join a guild, but being denied because my job level wasn't high enough. Which meant more grinding. That was the point I just left... sorry random dude I found in this world, guess we wont ever duel.
I was that dude, i ended up being the strongest duelist in all of nostale. To this day i still spend all of my income in nosdollars. The void you left in my heart fueled my quest for supremacy and gruesome violence for at least a decade.
@@ph1lmaker Bro what is your nametag?
Just a minor point, the word Cobalt actually comes from the word "Kobold". When Cobalt was first discovered, it was given a name similar to "Goblin" or "Faerie", which we would know as "Kobold". Cobalt turns it's signature Cobalt Blue when oxidised. This likely ties into notions from Paracelsus' writings on elemental creatures.
My favorite hidden tutorial, and the one I think everyone is familiar with: Pokemon Centers. The first town never lets you buy potions at first, so you're forced to use the pokemon center, which is free.
It's quite an eye opening experience to finally see just how different NosTale is for new players who have never played this game and don't understand the mechanics of it.
I've never even thought about just how important a tutorial can be since i already knew all i needed, but seeing Josh not even knowing he has skills for so long or even knowing to eat snacks during combat felt so surreal to me.
It's really telling just how much the game doesn't tell you, the sorts of things that all players use on a daily basis like the afforementioned snacks or even Amulets and Wings of Return - the cheap consumable items for teleporting around the world.
Similarly i was honestly surprised at some of the highlighted items in the Mall like seeds of power or Cylloan Spring Water, things you woul never waste your money on, but ones that clearly seemed like bad offenders to the ones not in the know.
I have never even thought that someone could see a difficulty spike anywhere before at least around level 36 when you get your first SP card and the enemies get much stronger to compensate for that, or before completing Act 1 at level 55 when the game basicaly stops being a railroad, since you can't do just the main quest or even do the main quest at all.
Well, overall i've quite enjoyed watching this, to me, allien view of NosTale though, I am a little sad it's never gotten to even the slightly more interesting parts of the game, even though i understand why, considering the time investment necessary to get that far, especially after seeing what the new player experience seems to be.
Thanks for the video Josh.
Ps: Fingers crossed for NosTale 2? Though i know it won't happen.
The game is so boring in act 1, everything take lot of time... and the act 3 with secret lab and zombies is so hard when you are too low in levels.... personally, I finished the lab with my cheaty sp4a - the guy with boomerang.
The issue with a lot of games is they don't put the interesting parts up front.
Level 55? My cousin is 67 and still in act 1
These 50-55lv oneshoting shooting things made me stop playing forever.
Yeah, a strong onboarding process is absolutely vital to the health and success of a game.
In Welsh the title would mean Night Tale. And that's a lovely title!
Way to reuse the same pun everyone else did! Congrats on originality
@@Postnghost1234 Congratz on being a party pooper.
@@Postnghost1234 Look, I hadn't seen it when I wrote my comment, cut me some slack you judgemental bastard.
However, I'm removing it if there's a problem. No offense was intended.
I played this game in italian at the time, and man this is probably one of my favorite MMOs just for the sheer nostalgia alone... The game starts to pick up only after level 36 when you get your first specialist, but I can understand the incredibly bland feel that the early game shows.
This still makes me sad however :(
Nossia? Ahahah 😘
@@zoukybd6847 S1 era la bomba sorry fratm
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@@DDismas Aeros >>>>>>
@@DDismas i veri Gs giocavano su Cedestia
Ah yes, that traditional, dastardly enemy, that evil villain.
*The striking worker*
Truly, no effort must be spared, from summoning demons, to raising their corpses as footsoldiers to put down their living fellows.
Feels good to be a hero.
I'll just remind you it's "act 1" of 7 or even more. I can't remember correctly, I haven't played this game for years.
tbf i remember that some point you eventually find out that the workers are the good guys and you start helping them. It was very confusing as a child and with the borken translation.
Huh, didn’t know the Pinkertons were a faction in this game.
I actually remember the game. Back in the day when no one had the final SP card yet and there wasn't much p2w (I was pretty high level and not much weaker than the leader on the server, I never had a seed problem and I think they gave you 99 of the best potions at some point in the game which helped me up to level 55 or so) which might also be because the game actually had a price tag back in the day (I think around 10€). Was really fun leveling with your guild (or I think it was called family) and really annoying job leveling to get new skills and SP cards (killing the peas over and over again, though I think there was an option for auto killing, so you just let it run for a while). And the Samurai was just cool back in the day. Made for some fun arena fights (I think, you should have at least tried out the new combat style, because that is when the skills actually start to make sense especially when the element system comes into play as well). I also remember how you had to queue at a certain time to get into a daily event where the max player number was 100. Was always an important part to get in before 100 others got in. But I also have to say that the story got a bit confusing at a time since you always had to level up and that took a bit too long after lvl 50, therefore you always forgot what was actually happening. The dungeons were better in the later levels though (or maybe I just remember some specific ones).
The difficulty spike might have also not be a huge problem for me back then, because I was playing with other people. Because contrary to how it appears, you don't need to do the rifts alone. You can form an actual party and do it together. And there isn't even a rule that the other party members are not allowed to have a certain level or their stats get set back. You can literally just ask a person with a high level to help you through a time space without any issue (and at least as far as I remember the community was nice enough to always do that, but I was playing on a German server, so maybe that is a difference). The only ones that you have to do alone are the ones for the SP cards (which are the best things in the game tbh) but as I mentioned above, I had 99 of the best healing potions so they weren't a problem either.
Heya if you don't mind me asking, i remember the 3rd SP card having a quest where you had to pay like 2 million (on the regular game currency that enemies dropped) or something, it was really like that or I'm remembering badly? Its been years
I want to know also if the next ones also had some sort of money requirements bc i stopped playing when i was trying to do that quest so i have no clue what's after that
@@AldenEmroch
Yes, you are right. It was quite a bit you had to pay of the ingame currency. It wasn't a huge issue the first time. However, this was one of the moments where the p2w aspect started to creep in. Because when you wanted to upgrade that SP card, you could basically only go to the third upgrade as everything else was way too dangerous as you would need to farm a lot of money again just so you could acquire the card again. And the third one was pretty important for the warrior class at least as it was the light attribute one which had huge bonuses in the late game areas.
Its always the same the game starts out decent but the greedy publisher ruins it.
It always been free to play, the 10€ retail edition just had bonuses
I've never seen someone doubt themselves this many times in two paragraphs
What an adventure
"Are those high level players AOE farming the peas?"
....
Don't mind me, I am just having a flashback.
This stuff is great - destroying everyones childhood memories! Would you consider doing one about Pristontale? Id love to have mine ruined as well
Omg I finally remembered the game I was looking for, thank you!
fuck me priston tale NEEDS to be in one of these to ruin my childhood aswell, id say to put ragnarok online too for the 1-2 knockout combo but i dont know if its on the worst mmo ever level....yet
If he wants to destroy my childhood he should have a vid where he plays Shining Force[for the Megadrive] and gives and hour of shit about how bad it is.
Cos I loved that game, it was like the 3rd or 4th I got aged 10 or so, and even now[37] I'll play it on emulator occasionally.
@@alexreilly6121 shining force is not an mmo and not a bad game so theres no way your childhood is gonna be ruined
Hi, first of all thank you for taking a look at nostale and how shit it became but let me tell you it wasn't always like that .. I'm playing nostale vor about 11-12 years now and i spent thousands of hours in it, back when i was 9 years old playing on of of our old computers with my mother near me with a second one. we played on official nostale before act 4 was a thing and it was such a great time earlier to get into land of death with the family and such, we were a german speaking family called Camaraderia and most of our family members were 25 years or older with me being the (most likely) one of the youngest nostale players ever and leveling with them at the age of 10... after some years i took a long break and started playing again in 2017 while getting my first chars to level 90+ ... since more and more server merged and nostale gets older over the time, sadly most of the people left which is kinda sad to see because nostale really isnt a bad game (people who play 10 years already will agree how much fun it is) ..
but one thing is the only reason the game lost its playercount and this thing is Ga*forge.. i mean gameforge
with all those server merges over the years and endless ingame items which only made it harder to get after act 6 was released, the game almost lost all my respect. you simply couldnt concentrate on creating a character and getting the best of the server because you already knew from the beginning that once you start your journey, 6 months later the servers will get merged and everyone loses interest in this server you play on.
The thing that changed my nostale experience forever was the release of the spanish private server called Nostale Vendetta. a private server that felt like nostale 2.0 because everything was so perfectly thought out and there was no need to grind weeks of weeks to get one level up. all items were easier to get even if that kind of item was a premium shop item. I had so much time on nostale vendetta like the first time i ever played nostale more than 10 years ago, met new friends like Kenzo, the family of Kristallauge called Kristallgrotte (one of the more famous nostale streamers) and many more... sadly that all changed when gameforge took down the server and bash left the nostale community.
there are (or lets say there were) several other private servers. I played on almost everyone of them and was widely known by people of the private community... me and my family Serenyum were so hyped for every new private server that our whole family agreed to move from one to another and always hit rank 1-3 , no matter if it was Vendetta, Nosbyte, Luckynos, Noswings, Nosvoid and all the other ones. i thank everyone for that experience which no other game gives to me :)
at the end all I can say is, nostale isnt the worst mmo ever in my opinion and if you give it a chance, it might be one of the best ever for some, but that is just the case if you were to start years back in the days.. but right now, gameforge ruined it all
Remember when the monsters used to have face icons in UI? peperidge farm remembers
Vendetta was essentially the first time it didn't feel dreadful to get to +80... I miss it
In a few days they're gonna incorporate ACT 9 and all of it feels so odd to me. People nowadays have multiple accounts and it feels more pointless than ever to save gold. everyone wants in when a new server opens because we just know if you don't get a slice in the first bit, you'll likely go hungry, because inflation hits sooner than later thanks to players who put real money into the game or that farm gold with countless alt accs
I really love the game, definitely nostalgia factor, but I can't exactly recommend it, specially nowadays. I'm tired of the countless pets too, I love pets!! but I also feel like the mini-pet implementation and the many boxes that give you the chance of a special op pet but you're not even guaranteed to get it... I hate gambling. I wouldn't do that !
I started at 9 years old too also! No one believed my age, all my friends there were 15 or older
It's funny that you ask if you're the bad guy to the Kobolds, because you are (For the moment). Later in the story, you learn of the poor working conditions and suppression the kobolds went through and help them instead with some guards who also decide to change sides. This leads to the kobolds asking for help from the demons to branch out into a bigger story.
I used to play this a lot 10 years ago, loved the style and job system, absolutely hated the unbearable grind and disappointing mid-late game.
late game got a lot better
it reminds me of Flyff
@Beaverish Buck Teeth i mean its your choice if you wanna play on the new server or not. you can also just keep playing on the one where you have the progress
@Beaverish Buck Teeth what do u mean by morons who support this? its funny how you insult others for doing something which doesnt affect you at all.
we join new servers because its insanely fun to start from new with EVERYONE else.. enjoying nostale again as if it was release day in 2006. its a completely different experience
@@chriser5146 I hated Lotd so much, with the stupid times you had to log in for that
I swear this bean spot was there 20 years ago when i played this game and there was always someone grinding those beans xD
Bean grinding huh? I've got a lot to say about this but JSH is a family channel.
@@BriarLeaf00 that took me a minute...
@@callmequaz9052 It's all good. I'm over 40. Everything takes me a minute.
@@BriarLeaf00 🤣 thats a good one
@@BriarLeaf00 hahaha just googled the meaning :D great find
-My childhood MMOs are ruined via being shut down by the Developers/Publishers.
-This generation's childhood MMOs are ruined because they're turned into microtransaction hellscapes.
The gaming industry is fun.
There's still plenty of good games out there.
Just a bit more difficult to find than before.
well, nos is still running :D
tbf at least it being shut down usually gives you a good last memory
whats the point of a mmo continuing, only to become worse and worse as fun is swapped in for microtransactions & greedy system? it'd be better to have a proper goodbye than that, at least your last memory would be 'this game was great, shame it shutdown' over 'wow the game was ruined'
@@brunobruno-c1d Yeah, well said. I'd rather play a great game just for a week, rather than be treated as a cash dispenser for years.
Stick to games that arent monetized as a service.
Warning, Nerd Shtuff: The fact that a keyhole was upside down is pointed out, and I know it's more of an iconic thing than anything else, but a keyway can be oriented in any direction. In fact, it's much better for it to be upside down as A: water can get into the pins and rust either the spring or pins themselves and B: the lock now doesn't have to rely on spring tension for a reset, as gravity can do the work for it.
The more you know
neeeeeeeeeeerd
so why are keyholes not upside down by standard?
@@ThatGuyChar Wouldn't that make them right-side up if that was the standard? XD
But I admit that I'm curious to know why as well.
@@BoyoLoco-rd2fi What's the point of this useless comment? It doesn't change the fact that the OP shared an interesting bit of trivia. Doesn't matter that you whined about it when 135 people (at the time of writing) enjoyed that info.
8 years and i still havent found a game like this, even with all its mistakes, that's why there's a lot of guys still playing this including most of my old friends.
true! me too! sadly the beginner experience is exactly like joshs...and most people just quit then..before they even leave their adventurer behind
@@Hosenbund1 yea, i guess i kept myself motivated thanks to my friends, I saw all the sps (5 at that time) before having the first and I wanted to beat them 🤣 then I saw Act4 and the rest is history
You never played Ragnarök Online?
@@SonsOfMalice played ragnarok online.. it was nice too.. but RO is nothing like nostale. what makes nostale unique is the specialist cards ( sub classes) which u can equip and unequip based on the circumstances and element damage needed, and they completely change how u play the game.. without those the game would have been long forgotten and shut down already..but exactly this system makes the game amazing
They should put these way earlier in the game.
23:45 Cobalt is actually named after Kobalds, it was though that Kobalds cursed iron ore to make people sick when it was smelted. Cobalt tends to give off extremely toxic gases when smelted. The Baldur's Gate quest is also a reference to this.
Oh man, excluding the pay to win aspects, I love Nostale :-) It definitely left a childish NostAlgia in me after when I used to play it around the age of 11. It has some really good systems around social mass cooperations that become necessary to level up in the later stage of the game and the game has an original design and look. It's one of the game I wished you would do 'Worst MMO' for. It gets better and much diverse later on in the game. The first many hours for a new player feel awful though. Thanks Josh.
NosTalgia huh... okey.
Haha I remember putting on the auto clicker bot and go for a movie or 2 while lvling my job exp on a new class. Good times.
It looks like a fun game it's just very outdated understandably there's a lot of people who played it long ago and will always love it because of nostalgia hell it's the main reason I still enjoy wow despite everything bad about it to this day
Getting better later is why all games like this suck.
So it's basically a bad copy of Ragnarok Online. Can't wait for Josh to bash my first MMO. :D
The coolest part of this game was changing your class at will by equipping different special cards and by levelling them up and upgrading them you could gain point to spend in that card to boost attack, defense, stamina and elemental power and it was up to you to decide how to use those points, at the time it was really unique, I don't think that other mmo had this mechanic. The problem is that the game developers decided to lock this thing after a ridiculously high level, so a lot of players dropped the game before getting there. The pacing in general is slow as hell if you don't know what you're doing.
Ff already had it
yeah its not "super high" but yes, through the pacing its quite a big milestone to get the first sp
I remember the first time I was playing the game was back in 2007-2008 and it took me like MONTHS to get to sp1 and sp2 (I was 10 years old)
I played quite a long time and if I return now, its literally like 2-3days until I get sp1, since I remember everything
Playing game myself a year later.
Gameforge fixed the blank screens for tutorial :D
Good job Josh :3
Capturing pets also got fully remade with new specialist card but also the basic capturing skill got cooldown changed to 15 or 20 seconds so those early quests are way less annoying.
I played this game in the past (a lot) It was my first mmo ever. It is pay 2 win. It is repetitive and broken. But I really like the way they approached the class system. You have three classes in this game (mage, swordsman, archer) and every class is able to equip different specialist cards. That means that a mage e.g. can wear a fire specialist card which turns you into a powerful fire mage. There are also other specialists like ice mage, light mage (healing) and dark mage which uses e.g. guns instead of a staff.
Overall I had much fun with the game and afterwards it really is a love/ hate relationship because I think that the game itself is quite nice, but the way they arranged everything, the amount of pay2win makes it less pleasing and there are clearly better ways to waste your precious time and money.
Thank you for the nice review of my childhood :)
Oh you missed. Its not instead of staff. Its the secondary weapon. All the classes had cards that used their core classes' secondary as a main weapon. That was really cool when I found out about it.
20:17 They knew if a joshstrife is playing, they'll end up in the "Worst MMO ever?" series
Pretty sure that's GOT TO BE from someone who follows Josh and realized that this was gonna be in one of his videos.
That got me laughing hard!!! Simple/concise/direct lol
What Witchcraft is this?!? TWO full videos in one Saturday evening?!?
Awesome! Sitting all cozy wrapped up with a nice mug of black tea after having a back molar tooth pulled this morning. I can't think of a nicer way to end a day and begin another weekend of RPG's and MMO'ing!
Have a great weekend everyone 💖
I played this game so much when I was younger, early game is actually not too bad even though repetitive. It gets more interesting when SP and Raids are unlocked but above level 50 it becomes extremely grindy and pay2win and you have to keep getting another level to even continue playing the quests. There is a place for power leveling but you need to group up with stronger players to even benefit from that. The worst part is upgrading of your gear which requires MTX for a reasonable chance at success and to remove the massive risk of losing your item. PVP also feels very unfair with ridiculous range and some players becoming extremely tanky, I always hated the smurf level 35 characters with low level gear upgraded to the maximum to farm other low level players in PVP.
I played A LOT of this as a kid, I now know how flawed it is and was but I really had a lot of fun with it. There really was a sense of community and sticking together in this game, sometimes the default town music still plays in my head. By todays standards this game is absolute trash and the anime stuff doesn't help but running endgame raids and doing the land of the dead was such a blast; looking at players with +15 Specialists or whatever and wanting to look just as cool as them, I still remember the day I got my crusader to +9 or 10, whichever it was. A lot of good memories before they fully sold out and started going hard on p2w with those scooter and flying carpet mounts being the beginning of the end.
There's this weird little MMO I played when I was little called Flyff and I'd love to see a video on that.
Just discovered your channel yesterday through your Wizard 101, and even though I'm not an MMO player, I absolutely love this series!
Check out his Otherland series if you haven't. It's fantastic
That game looks like Yugioh to the power of ToonTown and has a teacher who sounds like the late Alan Young's Scrooge McDuck. Also check out his vid on Secondhand Lands & Warhammer 40K Eternal Crusade. The former cause of the line "Can you say alloy?" Which to me indicates it was gonna be a child friendly game like Toontown before going in a more gritty direction. And the latter cause it gives you an idea for why it shut down. Also his Seven Deadly Sins of MMO Design series makes for a good binge.
I was one of the ppl asking for Nostale.
Having played it for a bit more than 2 years with my classmate, but in the end gave up at lvl96 (when the cap was still 99 xd). Me, my trash village internet in Germany and my first own pc with 14 really had some clunky fun in this one, but man ... before lvl 40-45 you had your fun with friends and after that it got so grindy and expected you to spend money to upgrade your gear (or destroy it if you dont have the cash shop stuff if it fails) ... and the whole design choices went down the drain
Dumb teen me sadly got hooked and grinded almost to the end of the lvl cap, thankfully i didnt spend more than 50€ overall on the game, since back in the days you could trade game money against cash shop items in the market place.
Even then i wondered why the fuck anyone would do that ... why spend your own money to sell game items to kids for game money ... that doesnt get you anything
yoo 96 is high. In like 2012 the highest level we had on our Server (german server 2) was like 90.
It DOES get you something: MOney. LOTS of money. Kids have poor impulse control. Typically poor understanding of the concept of the Value of Money and it being a Limited Resource. Not to mention kids begging their parents to give them money to buy stuff, and the parents relenting. etc.
Also takes full advantage of Adults with Poor Impulse Control and other stuff too.
Seeing the video-title, i wanted to yell Noooooo,
but at the same time, i dont play this game anymore cause it Soft-Locked me
so hard i cant play anymore.
I love how you had trouble with the early game mobs because you didn't upgrade your skills because the tutorial window doesn't work on steam and you had no idea how to lol
agree, i love it when games allow you to adventure to zones you are def not meant to be in. my favorite example of this is in wow when i did explore hyjal achievement in wow as lvl 20 alliance druid. Everything in hyjal one shot me and aggroes stupid far and on top of that i was being sent to ashenvale to grave near astranaar as alliance. so i def got the message: do not enter here at all. and i didn't care and i explored entire hyjal while each ghost run to body took 25 minutes. ashenvale->felwood->winterspring where you are forced to jump at mountains since the bridge is collapsed to get into mount hyjal range where you get ghost griffin. 10/10 would do it again. and i kinda did. in northrend i had to do a quest. this quest required me to speak to npc that was too high for my darkmoon cannon to shoot to, so i tried walking at mountains, this worked i got to platform where the quest was, but i died due fall damage. so my route to body was following: sholazar basin->borean tundra->dragonblight->crystalsong->ice crown->sholazar basin. i love it when quest can be technically done by me lvl 20, but then blizzard just forgets to scale enemies. shadowlands is full of enemies that had lvl ??? right next to lvl 20 enemies.
I didn't even realize it was supposed to say "click" tbh
I love how you haven't even gotten to the point you can choose a class. After that you need tems of hours to get your first specialization and it just get grindier from there.
The one I Wanted since I discovered this channel. I loved this game, and in some ways I love it even today, but gosh is there so many flaw and predatory monetization in this game
Many such cases.
I didnt saw any MMO post 2010 that have no monetization.
That's NASTY the way the game just insults you and calls you a loser when you fail their clearly rigged dungeons so that you play the regular difficulty, die more, and thus spend more money to keep trying
Though if being called a loser causes a player to quit, it's actually quite ethical
Eh. It's quite apparent that the translations are simple and literal. I doubt that it was intended as the miniscule insult some take it as.
@@giin97 translate it better
@@Gloomdrake "easy-mode"
@@giin97 that wasn't directed at you specifically. I'm just saying they need a better localization team
Lol I knew you'd cover this game eventually.
It's a little weird to admit but I've been playing this game on and off for over a decade, but not in the way one might think. I had to played the original game for a few years but got stuck somewhere in act 2, where the paywall really was. You can argue it was the last timespace of act 1 but I just asked someone to carry me through it. 5 or so years in, been stuck for a couple, but I still hung out and enjoyed the game, doing the seasonal events and raids I could do at my level.
Eventually, I caught wind of the scumminess, and I found out a private server called Nostale Vendetta came out. I played that, and got to level 80 something within a couple of weeks. The pay to win stuff was removed from the in-game shop and sold by an NPC in Nosville, which was the point of the server. The cash shop just had cosmetics. By the time I was done with the game I was at level 92, 7 levels from the max.
However, a couple of years after its release, the admin of the server posted a short paragraph on the forum and said "Hey, unfortunately due to reasons I cannot disclose I have to shut down the game" as a tl;dr. This struck a cord through the community and people said that the reason for the shutdown was most likely a lawsuit, and if the admin said anything it would probably get Gameforge into deep shit with a lot of backlash, since most of the playerbase moved to Vendetta at that point and was equally sick of the p2w shit as I was.
There are still a bunch of private servers en masse, and I played one very recently while I was waiting for Endwalker to come out. However, I got sick of the grindy aspect that replaced the p2w very quickly. I spent many, many hours and I still wasn't done leveling.
Even though I play FFXIV now and enjoy it much better, Nostale still, oddly enough, holds a place in my heart. It's a love-hate relationship.
TL;DR Gameforge is incredibly greedy and sucks.
"I spent many, many hours and I still wasn't done leveling." That was always the case though and what made Nostale & MMOs in general great imo. Nowadays it's replaced by fast leveling because all the content happens at endgame, but this wasn't the case back then.
Wow, this reminded me so much of an MMO I always used to play when I was younger, Flyff. The grind, the anime look, the grind, the bugs and oh, did I mention the grind?!
It’s actually crazy how this game is never really dying, I remember playing it 10 years ago and coming back last year to check on it, and there was still a shitton of people ( at least on the French servers)
we are all trapped please help us out
C'est vrai que les fr ont toujours pas lâché l'affaire lol
addiction is real, mental issues are sad to see
Cela ne s'arrêtera jamais
I mean, I know the Gotcha emote is probably supposed to be a guy laughing after baiting someone to fall for something because I used to play a game with a Filipino guy who explained it to the rest of the guild when we got really confused by him randomly acknowledging that group. It was a great moment. Spent some time after researching and sharing other ways other cultures and communities portray laughter through text. Someone in localization should probably realized that plenty of Western players would've never had that lesson though.
Do 4Story next. It was one of the more popular WOW clones and has been pretty big in europe in the early 2010s
I think I remember that one. Pretty sure the game randomly unbound my move keys, I remember talking about it in chat and having a bunch of people show up to help me
I had a character at lvl 53. All my childhood playing that game. So much nostalgia, so many memories...
I tried to get into the account last year (after, like, 9 years of not playing)... all erased. I couldn't get it back, neither any info in it. "But it was such an amazing game. I can't just give up yet!"
So I did a new account, this time on Steam so I wouldn't lose my data again. Played some days, got it to lvl 28 or something like it. Stopped playing (cuz' it wasn't the same, of course), and came back after some months. My account was erased. Again.
This game can go f*ck itself. Amazing childhood game, I don't recomend it. There is a lot of better options out there.
they banned my account because supposedly i bought something and didnt pay (how the hell would you even do that in the ingame shop?) then said they cant do anything about it because it has been too long XD
Never played it myself but if have a friend who like you started playing again after many years and he still had all his stuff so my guess is that is not something about your account being to old they just fucked you in particular because reasons
@@philritter9042 It was 12 years ago.
Play Final Fantasy XIV. It's worth you time, and excellent experience, and incredibly fun.
Nostale was a good kickstart for children on MMORPGs, but not worth anymore.
This game is just special i played it in 2008-2012 and since then i come back on this game every 2-3 years… it has it’s own unique player community, if you never played this game you can’t tell.
Reminds me of Mabinogi it’s similar with a unique community
unique player community.
Most of the end game community is toxic af. Nostale is not a kids game anymore xD
"You mine the cabbage by dancing it. What a time to be alive."
Indeed.
From fighting chickens, sheeps and peas to Uber Eats delivery.
Oh man, I remember playing this back in high school. It was one of the only games my shitty laptop could play reliably. It was a good time though, cause I actually had friends who could play with me.
*Josh:* "Games should have a hidden tutorial"
*Devs:* "Aha, got it! Hey Bob, can we make all the tutorial window contents hidden? Just make them, y'know, not show up when the window comes up. Yeah, perfect! 'Hidden tutorial': check!"
Every nostale player hates the early game... normally the white windows tell you very useful stuff, that you missed. It would have been a totally different experience if u played through with an expert player but you showed nicely how frustrating the game for a new player is. The game really shines with the mid to endgame content and is very populated in all areas at least on the international servers. Good video
This was the game I was addicted to. Like, legitimately, peeing and drooling myself because I didn't want to stop playing. Getting the "You've been playing for 20 hours. Please take a rest." I even said I was feeling really sick so I could get days off school to play this game.
I'm glad I realised it being a problem but the only way I could stop myself from playing was to get all my accounts banned for hacking (using cheats to beat minigames in people's houses).
Can relate
My life 🤣🤣
I NEWEWR THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME CHEATS ON NOSTALE Xd
My first girlfriend got me into this game for a spell. I remember thinking it was alright but it was way too...obviously gamey in how it presents itself. Being a free low spec MMO from 2008 times, I didn't expect too much. Then we switched to a fanserver of Ragnarok Online and that blew it out of the water.
It also reminds me of Ragnarok Online!
Looks really like Ragnarok, but Ragnarok looks still smoother from gameplay, only the graphics are better in Nostale but I still prefer Ragnarok praphics.
Could be interesting to see a "Best MMO Ever?" series, analyzing games to see what makes them good.
Ooh it NEEDS to be an April Fools episode!
Because WoW would be boring.
@@jamesburchill7522 pretty sure he prefers ff14
@@jamesburchill7522 I don't think WoW would make it there in it's current state.
@@jamesburchill7522 He said best
Just play Dragonveil server it's so chill and very populated! I spent 0 real-world money in this game and i've got a lot of good stuff. But this game is about grind, gold farm, power creep, gambling and CHATTING! I love my family (Everdream). I really recommend this game but play in slow pace and during seasonal events like X-Mas, Halloween etc.
Watching this series has reminded me why i have played a grand total of TWO MMOs in my entire life, that being WOW and later on SWTOR...
WOW because my friends played it, and when everyone i knew got fed up with it, i never found a reason to stick with it... SWTOR because i'm a MASSIVE Star Wars fan, and i enjoyed the class specific stories and fun companions!
The Timespace background looks eerily similar to Babylon 5's hyperspace.
20:30 I know where this is going. When Mac OS X El Capitan was new, Apple had a webpage for it that said “There’s more to love with every click”.s But if you looked at the HTML code, you’d see they added some CSS to slightly increase the letter spacing of that last word, with no explanation.
the tutorial windows that didn't show up for you are super outdated anyway. The game has a lot to offer, like when you get your 1st "specialist card" gameplay changes and becomes more fast paced and you start to see big damage numbers... but the beginning of the game is just super slow and off-putting resulting in low player retention rate.
I’m guessing they are broken web pages from trying to access a nonexistent site?
Lmao "the game has a lot to offer" xd
Damn this is a throwback to primary school. I think this was the first mmo I played. It had some weird design choices but as a kid I was so into it. The weird class system. The way the skills worked. The pet catching system. It’s also funny to see that killing peas with a turtle pet is still the best way to farm “proficiency” points, or whatever they were called. The pints were needed to level part of your class or something along those lines.
I played this game for years and was my first MMO back when i was like 13. That was... 11 years ago. I mad a lot of friends on that game and i still talk with some of them, i loved it, but with time and growing up i realized Gameforge only wanted to get money out of it. New acts feel cheap, recycled, nothing is really original. It's been years since i last played it, i was a veteran player on Eternity, a spanish server, and made it to 96 there as an archer. The game had such potential with the Specialist Cards it blows a lot of other korean MMOs out of the water, and i have to admit, i kinda feel the same watching this video as you did making the Neverwinter one. It's... idk, a mix between disappointment and feeling nostalgic, somehow. Like a toxic relationship we could say?
Eagerly awaiting the day when Josh reviews MapleStory, a MMO grindfest that should totally be featured on the series
Me too! Maybe it'll be best to wait until after Destiny update.
Same. Looking back, it was a horrible mess of a game, but I still have fond memories from it, being my first MMO.
And uniquely the only side-scrolling MMO at the time, and maybe ever since?
There's no different sounds for "B" and "V" in Japanese, so "kovold" is most probably just a mistranslation.
Mostly, although you can also pronounce "V" with an accented 'u' (ヴ).
V and B are also next to each other on a qwerty keyboard so it could just be a typo
Yea I've seen "Kobolds" in other Japanese RPGs be little furry creatures so I'm pretty sure that was meant to be Kobold.
@@gnerkus weeb
@@gnerkus i think you are confusing japanese for ancient latin... cuz that's definitely not a thing in japanese. V sound is always replaced by B sound in japanese
the immense nostalgia i got watching this was great :)
use to play this with my little sister like a decade ago 😅
Played this game 10+ years ago. At the time it was fun and interesting compared to other games, but i didn't know better :P Tried it after a couple years and quit pretty quick, with the game pushing you through the early areas without any difficulty...
Seeing the video-title, i wanted to yell Noooooo,
but at the same time, i dont play this game anymore cause it Soft-Locked me
so hard i cant play anymore.
While I agree the game does get better later (if you have friends ), the start is definitely the most grindy and slow experience i had as a kid and the only reason I kept playing is cause my friends played with me too and they basically helped me with all the dungeons since I didn't understood how the skill systems worked completely.
You asked why the high level people grind on low level places and is so they can level up the exp of their SP cards (the transformations) bc no matter how high level you are the peas give you 0,2 of exp or something like that on the card so when you have it at max lv you get all the skills instead of doing it slowly like usual, i remember i was starting to dislike this aspect when someone i played with wasted TWO DAYS, two whole days grinding there non stop lol
I played on the official Spanish version so I'm not sure if it works different or if it's already just 1 server but I'm too afraid to check, as far as I remember while there was p2w it wasn't that bad,you could survive by your own it was good
I stopped playing when i got to the 3rd sp , to get it (at least at the time) you had to pay 2 MILLION in the currency of the game, which doesn't sound that bad but monsters only drop up to 1500 coins( if you're lucky , it's regularly 400-600 and there's less monsters on that area)on that part of the game, it was bullshit lol and my friends moved to elsword at that time so i had no reason to play
The raids and stuff with a lot of people are definitely the think that made it more fun for me, but since there's less people is not worth it anymore
I played on polish server. I remember that every 2 hours there was an event stage that would be 5 waves of mobs and a ton if loot every wave. I remember being able to get first level of wings in the first real card (not pyjama, lol) relatively easily and it costed 1m gold.
wrong, the high level people are grinding exp for the fairies on their alt accounts
@@chriser5146 well both things i guess, i stopped playing on 2013-2014 so i don't know much about the current grinding experience on the game
The concept of freely transforming into something else anytime you want is what made this game great. As an Archer, you could transform into a "sub class" that specializes into using Bow or Dagger or Rifle or Boomerang or Canon or Crossbow or Pistol or Flying Dagger or a Spear. All of that transformation have each of their own atleast 10 skills. There are also "neutral sub class" which all of the classes are able to use. That variation is what made this game unique. I really hope someone would take this concept and bring it to another level.
May I propose the game "Wakfu" or "Dofus" for a future episode? Those are pretty unique mmo's
I love those games!
Or maybe even Phantasy Star Online 2.
I tried wakfu for a short time but it got really boring i did not even realise it was a mmo..
@@IamaPERSON heck yeah. After guild wars 1 popped up all bets were off anyway, this is more like an obscure history series with a title geared for SEO lol
@@chocobofangirl exactly!
Hey Josh I've done some play testing on PC games aswell as mobile games when I asked about the reverse scrolling I was told that most younger people use mobile before PC and the scroll wheel is reversed so that out mimics scrolling on a touch screen.
I remember playing this when the international/western version came out.
Player housing and trainable pets were a massive draw at the time, especially for players used to games like Ragnarok Online
Now that I finished the vid, I agree completely about your verdict. If the game wasn't made like trash it would be atleast a good mmo. The combat/job lvl, the specialist cards, the equips, later quests, raids and frozen crown. Man even lod is fun, Levelibg up and eventually being able to full map lod. So much good, but at the same time, way too much bad. I wanna do late game content but I dont have the time before a new server comes oit.. lol
Also, steam client looks janky af.
Just a hunch here, "Kovolt" might be some variation of the word "Kobold" which in some games have been depicted as a humanized dog creature. I know that's how the game Wizardry presents them.
Damn, I remember playing this when I was 12. Insane this game is still a thing
I know and it looks like nothing changed lol
@@kingpin3690 oh it's even worse. The game is full of bots now and stupid partner's specialists. There's one that makes the whole map's ground shake. They're afk auto farming at the piis so it's always shaking. Bots everywhere and multiaccounts allowed.... I tried playing a few days ago and even nostalgia couldn't keep me hooked
Josh Strife Hayes, those boxes of tutorial should load up a image, but, AS BAD AS IT IS, IT DOESN'T, AND IF IT DOES, THEY DON'T HELP, literally, i've been 3 years playing Nostale, creating other characters and that stuff, and those boxes just till you WHAT YOU JUST KNEW SECONDs AGO (well, except for the nosmate and alchemy pic tutorials, those tells you how to feed your nosmate and also how to upgrade your equipament, which the actual in-game doesn't tell you)
A friend of mine wanted me to try this game in high school after I already had played mediocre to good MMOs like Warpfire and Drakensang, so I hated every second of this and didn't play more than 20min.
Drakensang was just patched to death in recent years, you could give it a try for the series. For example, my entire gear was gone when I logged back in after a few years.
Had a friend who also tried to get me into it but it’s neither my kind of game/ graphics/ mechanics and without his help I was quite helpless to do anything
A lot of these games really suffer from age. This game for example is already 16 years old.
The complaints are of course all valid. They just didn't care to update the old systems.
He probably missed a bit much since until level 20 you play a tutorial class, but I don't think it matters much.
Yeah, if it takes more than 8 hours to get to the fun bit, that's bad design.
After getting your SP it became finally fun. Then you would hit the grind wall where killing 1 mob was giving you 0.02% of XP and since the level of SP class is separated from your "basic" level and that SP are limited in time for use, then you would have to wait A LOT to max it up. Or pay for SP recharge.
@Sævo yea and the grind wall isnt as insane as this person claims either.. you are leveling in land of death anyways
maxing a sp to level 99 takes some hours in lod..thats it
Wait what? I remember having fire mage subclass and no time limit for it. Just consuming a lot of mana.
@@michapiasta3072there is time limit but easy to boost it to almost Infiniti so noone care about it.
@@11marcian i didnt even knew about it.
I'm one of the top PVE players on international-1 server and, yes, the game is P2W or "HARD MULTICLIENT PLAY". Leveling system is so bad until lv.55. Reaching the maximum level (99+80) requires around 800 hours of hard exping. The game is total RNG. To get a good PVE/PVP equip you need to find it rarity 7 or 8 with specific stats that you can't change. To farm money, you need to buy ND or create a large set of alters to play raids with more than 1 character. Everything is a pain in the ass but we love this game unconditionally. The only good thing on this game is having a family to play together while talking on discord. That's the only good thing this game have today.
Then leave? I don't understand. If the game got so bad, why not just leave and find a game that treats you and your time with respect?
@@Laracheal battered gamer syndrome
@@Laracheal He should also try to convince some of his closest friends to make the jump as well.
Starting a new multiplayer game alone can be harsh for someone used to social interaction.
@@Laracheal i don't like others MMORPG and as I said, we play to stay together on discord during nights after work.
@@Laracheal no idea why but it keeps dragging me back aswell, its very fun in a very specific way but its kinda like an abusive relationship where you get whipped with grinding for some fun with the community
also i like making a living out of the game selling gold for money since ive always been good at getting gold
also also i recently tried different mmos and i hate how i dont know how it works since if sunk in so much time, learning new ones takes a lot of effort without reward at the beginning, i dont have any goals for example on a wow p server, the combat just isnt as fun or fluid as nos (i like just having to throw in 2 quick spells and 30 things die, the floor splattered with loot that is all somewhat useful, picking it up and going to the next batch)
Josh thanks for your content. I'm a racing/flight sim guy and I can't say I've ever played an MMO beyond an hour of the original Guild Wars back in 2005. I'm probably not the intended audience for your content, but I'm hooked on your worst MMO series. Hoping one day to see some MMO recommendations for people who couldn't care less about MMOs!
The major problem this game has, is that EVERY new update is focused on the late game only. It’s not noob friendly and there is no such thing as “new player”.
Why would it be when the game has 12 yo mechanics in the early game, and if you have low knowledge on how to grind fast, the mid to late game feels incredibly long.
And I haven’t even mentioned the champion level exp system, which is not a minor thing, it’s acutally the most important thing in the game. If you want to go more in depth with this, i can explain to you why this game sucks way more than you said, as a late game player
I love nostale, been playing it for 6 years in elementary school, i love the nostalgia it brings to me, its not a best game but I have many good memories with it
you keep saying "its not a bad concept" but WHAT IS ITS CONCEPT????
''You mine the cabbage by dancing at it..''
~Josh Strife Hayes, 2022
I think it would've gone a lot smoother if you played with an experienced player keeping you company
Right away some mistakes could've been avoided, Big chickens are NPCs, Mousetrap is a config, etc! But I think that shows how the nostale can be unwelcoming to new players who don't have anyone roping them into it.
That being said, early game experience has always been boring, specially skill-less combat. SP cards add a lot of the fun mechanics, things like PVP with an assassin for example or getting into glacernon can be very strategic!
And the game has only gotten easier early on with the years.
Some details i've come across:
Experience gain bonus up until lvl 80 i think? thanks to the martial artist
Easier/cheaper SP cards(the og 4), some missions used to ask for hunting 70 enemies and it's down to 40 now, then you had to pay 3kk, now its 2kk
You're basically given FREE resistance equipment (gloves and boots)of all kinds now. It didn't use to be like that, you needed to buy them or make them from scratch and the game didn't really tell you that else you'd get stuck in those missions
The recollection chance for items like iron ore, wheat, fragant grass, water etc has gone way up. I remember how dumb it was to sit and click for wheat only to fail miserably
The drop chance for mission items was also increased exponentially.
A HUGE issue is the lack of active/new players because they contribute to variety in basaar, before when things were busy you could buy or sell low level equipment no problem, now most of the players are concentrated on the 90+lvl and the new level system, so unless you catch up to them it feels lonely as hell.
I don't think it's a great game. I only go back to it cause I started playing it when I was 9 and I like it, but I do think its simple enough to start in mmos, and easier than ever now to reach lvl 80. After that there's now more than enough ways to gain and spend gold,
Taba re escondido tu comentario, tuve que poner mas recientes primero ctm >:(
Ahh Nostale, my first MMO ever. Got Catfished my an 30 years old dude acting like a girl. I was 15-17 at that time. 10/10