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I don't believe you guys are TRUE tech journalists....!! If you were you would STOP reviewing these BS products in the first place. This would truly send a clear message to companies like NGREEDIA that it's time they either come down to EARTH or just build a flying saucer and move to another galaxy where beings can afford their products!!
Thats all nice but: AMD does NOT have DLSS. They do not have CUDA, They do not have Optix, They do not have: a proper Hardware Ray Tracing Solution, They do not have: Hardware for Real Time Motion Blur Calculation, they do not have a proper Video ENcoder, ... [...,...,...,...,...] I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on... AMD DOES NOT HAVE. And THAT is the reason they will NEVER be at the top spot. They failed in the last 30 years and will in the next 30.
@@TheNerd Did you not pay attention to the presentation? AMD does have a proper Video Encoder now. RT is overrated. FSR3 looks good. Not that I would use it or DLSS. Why is everyone so impressed with fake frames? I don't even own an AMD card. But I can see the fanboy coming out. "Testing Shows AMD's AMF Encoder Finally on Par With Nvidia NVENC" Intels AV1 encoder is better than both. CUDA...🙄
My favourite thing about GN is that they are all for value proposition, they don't fall into the hype train with new products. If the value isn't there, it doesn't matter how good it performs they will say you better buy the old product instead even if the "cool" thing to do would be buying the new shiny thing. Thanks Steve and the entire team for the focus and reason you bring into PC consumers.
Steve and the GN team mostly always speaks for the consumer, which I love. He also speaks reason to the consumers. If you don't need to upgrade, don't. If it makes you happy to upgrade, do it. That's what he usually say.
@@HydroKyl240COG Happy 5700XT user for 2.5 years.. 1440p 60fps High settings on Cyberpunk.. Raytracing is in like 2% of games atm so its literally not worth buying a card for RT only
Its cause most people don't need or want to spend more than $450-500 max on a GPU. I remember when proper high end cards were 500 back a few years ago like the 1080. Now the mid high level stuff is like 500 starting. I'm fortunate enough to be in a position where I can spend $600 on a card but I still think it's not good.
Hopefully this is the generation where Jensen gets humbled just a little and comes back to reality with the pricing. AMD better not mess this up. Give us outstanding value, claim your market share like you did against Intel with Ryzen, and lets see if Jensen can bake up some humble pie in his kitchen.
@@operatorpsyduck2035 I was one of those people, but multiple reviewers I trust have now talked about how they haven't had any AMD driver issues in at least a generation, so if the value is there, I'm willing to let them replace my 1070 Ti.
Thanks for including benchmarks of the 1070 and other older GPUs! It really helped me make a decision on what GPU upgrade is best for me. I decided to go with a 6700XT since the price/performance ratio fits my budget best. I paid $350 for my 1070 back in the day and I paid $350 for the 6700XT! I consider that a good upgrade.
Yep, similar shoes. I went for the 6950xt since I also do video editing. Was thinking of waiting for 7000 series but I'd have to pay at minimum £400 more. Im happy with the performance I have for both gaming and editing for another couple of years.
Smart mofo lol, I couln't buy a GPU last year so I just bought the Alienware M15 R4 with 3070 in it anyways. Mofos are out there scalping laptops too btw guys.
@@thabo5799 I thought about going for the $700 6900XT sale on Asus's website since I do work with blender and Autodesk Inventor, but that's $300 more than what I budgeted for. So I waited it out until the 6700XT went on sale.
They did this completely on purpose. They overproduced the 30 series, and you would THINK excess supply would mean lower prices, but it turns out that "lower" is a relative term, so they just jacked up 40 series pricing as an extension of the 30 series rather than a replacement (and you could tell this by the fact that 30 series was still listed in their product stack for the 40 series reveal images; you didn't see the 20 series stack in the 30 series reveal). AMD could really slam Nvidia if they want to. So we'll see just how much they want to.
@@supernero12 The hack they don't want you to know about: You can buy used. There are so many used 30 series card available now, it really makes a lot of sense to get one that way. Honestly at this point I'd rather get one cheap of a miner, than reward Nvidia for their greed.
@@Niosus Agreed. That's exactly what I did in June, prices weren't quite as low then, but it was a better time for me in terms of available time to game, so no regrets.
Also 30 series is still selling good and nvidia is getting those old chips dirt cheap from Samsung. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are actively manufacturering more 30 series because profits are so good.
Thank you for focusing on the pricing so much, unlike many other reviews I watched. Doesn't matter how much performance we get, this much of a price increase is nuts.
@@MikeAndersson Yeah, most people that play competitive games play on 1080p so they can get 300+ fps and low latency. So I would say that the 1080ti is still perfectly fine for 90% of gamers, and I have a 3080ti so I’m not coping
@@god8348 And who fooled you with that lie.. most who plays comp? You do know your talking about the tip of the 10-15%.. Most plays on toasters or have work and spend money on the riggs.. very few plays competitive 10% of the top 12 hours a day. Thats words from someone whos very young or maybe study XD
@@MikeAndersson That was a sad read, but I think considering most of the top games with high players are live service, competitive games, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. I guess nobody plays CSGO, Fortnite, Valorant, Rainbow six siege, rocket league, League of legends, Overwatch, WOW, Cod, Dota, despite having by far the largest active player counts at any concurrent time. You are so right, how could I not possibly realize this, nobody plays the most popular genre of games
I’m never surprised at Steve and the GN team’s honesty and integrity. People don’t realise that UA-camrs aren’t “just” UA-camrs. They’re helping to keep these corporations honest. They’re advocates for us as consumers. I really appreciate the GN team.
@@knghtbrd yep. they did mention some things abt price-performance, but i felt that their piece tried to paint a picture that 4080 is not as bad as we think. Which is bullshit. Why would u get a 4080 when u could get a 7900xtx for 200 dollar cheaper MSRP. 🤨
The problem is that the 4080 isn't even doing that with that insane pricing. The 4090 isn't going under 2000€ here in Germany. The 4080 is like around 1400-1700€. No one with a clear mind should buy these cards for gaming. AMD is offering better options.
@@Kley96 thats why im hoping that 7900xtx is at least on the level of the 4080. Since im running a 2070s atm, even 30 series raytracing (basically 7000 rdna3) is an upgrade
Agreed. It is useful to compare to current pricing when talking about what to buy right now, but disingenuous to compare to current pricing when talking about gen to gen value per dollar, esp when comparing across companies. Should use launch price for that.
That doesn't work well when regional pricing is all kinds of screwed up, only would make some sense for the US and only when there is no ongoing component shortage (and it is still very much going on, though at a lesser scale)
Comparing FE launch prices (and rounding) the 3080 was $700 and the 4080 is $1200. That's 71.4% price increase which is a decent bit more than the 53% performance increase Steve mentioned at 8:14. So, it's actually going backwards generationally in performance per $.
Does the cost of manufacturing and developing the card run parallel to performance increase gen on gen? They've seen people will pay stupid prices to play video games and are taking full advantage of it. I personally find it hilarious that people feel they need 4090 levels of performance to play games...
@@AudioPhile yeah, there s no point. Running something like a 2080ti on a 2k resolution is more than enough to play anything on ultra (or close to it) settings with good framerates and awesome visuals.
The 4080 should be 850 MAX. 80 series cards used to be only 500-600. Every year they get more greedy. 1300 for a regular 3080?? That’s absurd! I’m sick of this shit smh.
I found two offers for the 4080: from KFA2 for 2k € and MSI for 2.7k € 4090 starts at 2.3k € 3090 and 3090ti still starting at MSRP with 1.2k € and 1.5k € respectively meanwhile the RX 6900 XT starts at 750 € the 6950 XT at 880 €. Very tempting, but I'll wait for RDNA3
@@Gabu_ Looking at AMD's numbers juxtaposed with 4080 and 4090 review results, yeah, it's 10-15% faster than 4080, 10% slower than 4090, but much cheaper than both, and most importantly, it's 70% faster than my current GPU. I am definitely getting it next month. I said long ago that RTX 40 would be DOA to me, looks like I was right.
I find it quite disingenuous to hope for AMD to force Nvidia to lower prices, which means they offer better value, so that then you can go and still buy Nvidia.
$2200 CAD is equal to $1656 USD. Sales tax they can't control. 4090 retails for $1599 USD MSRP. I'm not shilling for NVIDIA, surely you can realize that not every country has currency that's 1:1 with the USD.
Thank you!!!! Everyone forgets that for years you got increased performance for a given tier without a price increase. (There was some creep due to real inflation, not gouging calculated inflation, but generally stayed the same). I remember when a top tier GPU was $500, several generations in a row. And last year's models actually went on sale when new parts came out, or even just before they came out.
Back in the days when a new GPU release actually meant there would be a decrease in price of the previous gen. Now a new GPU releases at a higher price and you just sit on your old GPU thinking "I can wait until next year." They sell less GPU's overall, but at double the price...does it make up for the lower sales numbers?
this exactly. I'll pay 500-550 for the 2nd tier gpu, so 4070, but it has to be better fps per dollar than the previous gen GPUs. and for the past two years at least that has not happened, and so I still have my old GPU. I'm fine running high settings instead of ultra.
Would love to see a 1080ti added to these charts, been holding onto mine for years and never quite sure where it stacks up. Thanks for all your hard work on these videos! :)
@@Jepysauce 4060: yep! 1080ti it's me! :D ... Everyone: don't worry, we will tear you apart 4060, so this time you won't reincarnate again :D 4060: :((
Although I would rather things be different, I like having the option. If you want more performance, you can pay for it. I hate saying this, but in comparison to the 4080, the 4090 doesn't look that bad. It's a stupid amount of money, but $400 (33% more) for something that is 35-45% better is fine by me. Either buy one or don't for your use case and budget. Things would change if the 4080 was $699/$799.
@@budgetking2591 hahaha i have the same sentiment, so fucking cringe everytime i see that! OHHH POOR EVGA DIDNT WANT TO CHARGE PEOPLEMONEY FOR GPUS SO THEY QUIT THE GPU BUSSINES.
Only Nvidia can make us miss the days of the $800 GPU lol. Most people hated how the price went up from 500 to 800, but now... we are all dreaming about those magical 800 dollar times. So well done Nvidia! Maybe a $1500 RTX5080 will make the $1200 4080 look great?
@@spankbuda5760 Don't be obtuse. He was talking about top end enthusiast (non-titan level) cards. And if you didn't know that then go buy a clue. The 3080ti didn't just launch, its almost 1.5 years old, and where is it available new from a major retailer for that price? (and no linking to some crap 3rd party seller with 2 reviews)
@@MooKyTig The 3000 series cards was launched 1.5 - 2 years ago but due to the circumstances at that time and the limited availability a lot of people wasn't able to get their hands on one until around 6 months ago. And yes, the MSI Ventus 3080 Ti on Best Buy website was being sold for $739.99 that you can view the image on tech4gamers nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-750 website. Hell, even the 3080 Ti FE was reduced to $899 on Best Buy. Why do you think that most 3080 Ti's are sold out everywhere?
Don't cry kids. Get an older card or a used card. Every card on every single gaming rig I've ever built (or put a card into) has been used and has never been the newest card available and I've still had a lot of fun on with each set up.
Serious question, since I'm trying to learn more about PC gaming, what is considered high mid-range gaming? I've personally disliked playing games with fancy graphic options, too much eye candy for my palette. Would something like 720p at 60 fps (with generally low quality graphic settings) be considered very low-range gaming?
@@Ruben_M. Mid to high Mid is generally between the 60 series to 70Ti on Nvidias site. Dont know about 720p gaming, but a 1060 card should do 1080p gaming at medium and high settings at a decent framerate. If you dont like fancy graphics you can just turn settings to low.
@@Ruben_M. bro do yourself a huge favor at leave 720p altogether. For real! It doesn't matter what kind of games u like. 720 looks really bad now even w retro games. Get at least a 1060 but my #1 recommendation for a budget is the 1070 or 1660ti
Time and time again EVGA showing us they got out at the right time. GN also, yet again, delivering the info and details for gamers and consumers and not being scared to speak out against companies.
My take on this: we paid scalper prices for the last generation and Nvidia figured they could do the same and priced accordingly. Here in the UK, virtually the entire 4090 stock is on ebay for 3 grand a pop. Those actually in stock are being price gouged by retailers. AMDs 7900xtx will be the "value" card despite being similarly overpriced. This is the future of PC gaming.
Will you all from across the pond STOP bringing up your inflated pricing that's caused by a numerous of economic issues?! You all are almost in a recession if not already. So of course you're going to see inflated cost on food, electronics, energy, etc.
@@spankbuda5760 bruh it's just import taxes. Here in italy it is 22%, so any card overpriced in the US, well just add 22% and that's the minimum we are going to pay
Inflation is global and is irrelevant to Nvidia's pricing. MSRP for gfx cards has always been inline with US pricing, just in £s rather than $s, so yes we pay more but not massively so. This launch on paper the same, but retailers are bumping the asking price like they did with the 3000 cards, which didn't happen with the 2000 series or the 1000 series launches, although scalpers have all the stock anyway and is going for between 2 and 3k. Nvidia's pricing this time around is a direct result of the prices we collectively paid for the scalped 3000 series stock. "Supply and demand" was the much touted excuse for scalper behaviour, but what they actually did was create a shortage and artificially inflate prices. They did the same thing with consoles, one estimate had around 30% of PS5s sold via retail outlets as never having been switched on after several months. They were sat in scalpers garages waiting to be sold on ebay. The Nvidia and AMDs pricing now reflects this new normal.
Yeah, During the lifespan of the 3080, Nvidia saw that people are prepared to pay absurdly high prices for their cards. I hope it was mostly crypto miners, since they don't care about the price of GPU's, and now that that market has dissapeared that Nvidia will sit on these like bricks. This insane pricing policy must be opposed.
I reckon that most 3080s went to crypto miners, but another element to consider is that a lot of people who did splurge out to get a 3080 or 3090 absolutely will not buy a 40-series card, for they decided when they purchased a 3080 (ti) or 3090 that they were going to keep that card for 3-4 years or more precisely because it cost them an arm and a leg.
Its already happening. Used 3080's are 1/4 the price MSRP so nobody in their right minds are buying 3080's new let alone 4080's. They cant possibly overprice their next gen cards because if they do, AMD will undercut them and completely dominate the market while Nvidia sits holding an even bigger bag
@@michelvanbriemen3459 why wouldn't you keep a card for ~4 years regardless of price nowadays? Games simply don't have that high a performance requirement increase.
Love my new 4080 build from micro center (g471) compared to the 3080.Revisiting cyberpunk but now all settings max, all RT ultra, 4k on my tv at 120hz. Friggin beautiful
Unlikeable characters in my OP. Just a misrable bunch. The story is so so, gunplay is basic and the driving is horrific. Still a very oberhyped game based on looks in my OP. I put in about 25 hours.
After being with Nvidia since the Riva TNT days, I needed to replace a dying 1060 and took a chance on a Radeon this year, and I am not regretting it. AMD appears to have solved the driver issues they were known for, the card plays all my games with no issues; and after today any thoughts I had about going back to NVIDIA are now gone. As soon as the new Radeon cards are available I'm getting one, NVIDIA needs a Ryzen style correction, and I hope AMD and INTEL are up to the task.
During the worst shortage of cards, my wifes pc died and in the end we decided to get her a laptop since there was a point where laptops with configs as strong as desktops were bit cheaper than said desktops. So my wife decided to get on the "mobility" train. I was sceptical when switching from Intel/Nvidia to full AMD, expecting issues with drivers I had all those years back and why I switched to Nvidia. Guess what? The 5900HX cpu is as good as expected, and the RX6800M works like a charm. One game (a 8yo oldie) was casuing issues, and that was indeed a gpu driver thing. But other than that? Smooth with no issues. My desktop is slowly oustaying it's welcome, and if the coming gpus from AMD are better in terms of value ? That will be my pick as well. And yeah, both AMD and Intel need to ste up their game so that Nvidia starts loosing income in the personal pcs category of products. Only way we can see those asurd prices drop to reasonable levels.
Thank you. I still using my 1060 and hope it survives till 7800 is out. How is AMD quality and performance in recording/streaming games? I'm really concern about that more than its gaming performance because I know it will be more than enough for me.
this is how I feels about the RTX 3050, I have a 1660 Ti, and the 3050 have the exact same rasterizarion performance for about 10 to 20 dollars more (around $300) in the current market, way more than what I paid in 2019 for the 1660 Ti ($289)
Yeee 3080 gang Got a new rig myself a few months ago with a 3080 ti and i5 12500k. This was coming from a 2060 S paired with a 9700k. Very, very happy with my new set up :D
@@dartheveloper5449 I agree. Just got a 4080, buddy has 3080 similar settup. I get like 30-40fps more than him on Forza. Is it worth it to me? heck yeah, I got the best of the best in the market rn. Would i do it again? Hell nah. 3080 is good enough. lol
@@SSoul0 what a weird logic as a consumer. Can only assume you are on a payroll. Hopefully you will get priced out of whatever hobby you have… Ultimately and hopefully it will be nvidias problem. A company is nothing without customers. There’s only so far you can push people.
I do love how as GamersNexus has become more influential, Steve hasn't lost his integrity - in fact, while his staff may be incorporating more clickbait and Steve is raising his voice more often, it is usually just, fair and resolved within the first fifteen minutes. GamersNexus is the _premier_ example of consumer-advocating reviewer conduct which clowns on bad PR when there are attempts to manipulate the message. Stay strong Steve #NoFilter
Agreed. Steve has the highest integrity in the hardware review game. Match that with well organized systems to evaluate new tech, a solid team, geeky sense of humor and to top it off... The hair of a drummer in a metal band 🤣
I remember, just a few years ago at the Roast of Linus, everyone was joking about how Steve was so boring. Adding some passion and writing that helps makes talking points has helped get over that.
@@seantaft3853 I was one of a few who suggested in a couple of videos to add timer bars into graphs so people who become easily bored and distracted staring at them can see the duration of a graph on the screen, GN team took it _in part_ - I also requested a _separate_ timer bar representing total time of all charts within a given section, but I suppose they dropped that because it was too much work, which is reasonable since I like the way GN has them right now.
The sad thing is that this is only true because NVidia raised the prices into the stratosphere. I love what AMD has done with the CPU market and was glad to put my money behind it. Now I hope they will give me a reason to buy a 7000-series GPU, because last gen I couldn't justify it.
@@smokeysify Not exactly, most Nvidia cards in the Steam surveys are 1060, 1660, 2060, etc. They're trying to purely target the high-end market now, but the broader Nvidia customer base is looking for the best product they can get at a particular price point
With how alot of reviewers are talking about the 40 series its almost like we are in some kind of "the emporer's new clothes" scenario and im just thankful that atleast gamers nexus have their senses to call it for what it is. kudos to you guys!
GN needs to do a 2022 update of AMDs gpu drivers. I have noticed a huge improvement, dispelling some myths about driver support may help increase competition.
The myths about bad drivers from ATi were made from nvidia during the 2007-8 vista crisis, when nvidia’s enthusiast forum outreach program was still a thing, and nvidia had been found to be responsible for like 45% or something crazy like that of all crashes on windows vista. What’s crazy is how AMD fit the shoes of the myths as they ran out of money to spend on driver development, and QA
drivers are still behind nvidia's in terms of features, i constantly hear about cool settings that amd either doesnt have or are very limited. AA injection is dx9 only, for example.
@@tranquil14738 Yup and all you still hear is amd drivers bad people just keep regurgitating it. I have not had 1 problem with a ati/amd driver. Can't say the same for nvidia so yeah.
@@tranquil14738 Yup and all you still here is amd drivers bad people just keep regurgitating it. I have not had 1 problem with a ati/amd driver. Can't say the same for nvidia so yeah.
In my currency it is about a 115% price increase compared to the 3080. In fact it costs 15% more than my entire PC did in 2019 and that came with a 9700K and RTX 2070 Strix case,cooler, PSU,RAM, two M.2 SSDs and one HDD. To put in perspective it is about $1650 here so more than the 4090 is in the US. 4090 is technically $2200 here but real price seem to be closer to $3000 so I’m expecting the 4080 to be around $2000 after a few cards sold at MSRP.
The 4090 is $3900 NZD at it's cheapest. With a direct currency conversion (I know this isn't really the most accurate representation of things, as there is shipping etc to take into account) but that's $2400 USD at current exchange rate. I feel your pain, greatly.
As a new viewer I really liked the decreasing stamina bar to let me know when to pause the screen if I hadn't finished comparing the results. I also appreciated the highlighting of the gpu you were talking about so we could all keep up with what card you were comparing. Nice review and nice editing.
The craziest thing to me is that not too long ago $1200 would get you a whole ass pc build... not a "budget" lower end one like now but a pretty high end build for the same amount Nvidia now wants us to pay for a single of their overpriced GPUs
You should specify by saying 80 class cards are now reaching $1200 because for the last 3-4 generations the highest end GPU's (Titans, Ti's) were always a $1000+ so idk why you're complaining about it now 6-7 years later 😂
@@kadrix732 Let's be real here.. Titan cards weren't technically advertized as "gaming cards" but it was still the fastest card for gaming and people still bought it as such. Plus the 90 class card is really just taking the place of a Titan. I would still consider it a Titan class card as even GamerNexus said in the video
@@WizG. 4090 can't be called a Titan card because of two simple reasons alone: 1) It doesn't have all Titan features and drivers. LTT debunked this very well in their 3090 review. 2) 4090 is 40% better than 4080 in Gaming, whereas Titan was barely faster than the gaming flagship except for a couple of months until the "Ti" was released.
I paid around 3k for my first high end gaming PC, long time ago. These cards are cheap compared to cars or traveling. It's good to have a wide spectrum to pick from, so wealthy people or professionals can push technology forward by buying the more expensive GPUs.
@@sevdev9844 The problem is that high end cards like this used to cost 500-600$ just a few generations ago. These are not 3090s, which are the current Titans of cards. Even taking inflation into account, that price point doesn't really work. It's not a matter of "having a wide spectrum to pick from". It's a matter of EVERY SINGLE STEP of that spectrum suddenly being 40% more expensive. And that's not due to natural circumstances, but because the companies saw how much the prices rose up in the last few years during a massive speculative bubble due to shortage of components caused by the pandemic and the crypto mining fad and they thought "well, the prices doubled or tripled and people are STILL buying cards, maybe we can charge more too". That's a massive rise in prices due to an indirect consequence of speculation processes. It's far from a natural occurence in a free market.
@@Shendue 🤷♂️ Inflation: Shadowstats. Also, it isn't distributed equal over everything. Crypto took that money supply and ate it up, using the GPUs as tools. Then, your whole reasoning is based on the names of these cards and what the top model is and such. Seems to be about status or to be entitled to get access to progress. It's all just in your head. These are the prices, take it or leave it.
Gee, your graphs are just beautiful. Dense with data but uncluttered. Graph animation is so simple but so helpful for data interpretation. I love the slide progress bars too. Much appreciated GN
Good video. It's nice to see someone discussing the ridiculous price of the 4080 16 gig. Too many people were too preoccupied with the 4080 12 gig being cancelled.
This is why after 8 years of a 2600K I went to Ryzen 3700x. Intel spent generation after generation with mediocre improvements and complacency. I remember thinking "ooh, maybe I will get the 7700K... nope! Oh! maybe the 8700K! Nope! 9700K? Nope! Bye intel! I got my Asus 1080 O8G shipped from Amazon to China with shipping and taxes for no more than $770 in 2016. It was my first high end card. My EVGA Gtx 260 before that was not more than $280 after tax. These mediocre gains are not matched to inflation or reality. Double the pricing for medicore gains is insane.
@@BlackEyedFish or just get last gen. If you don't need 4k gaming the 6800xt or 3080 are both great options for around $600 to $700 if you are in the US. That is if you don't buy used which can go down even more my guess would be the 7900xtx will beat the 4080 in rasterization but loses with rt and possibly 4k performance. But at some point higher than 80fps in 1440p in non competitive games are not really noticable. The new gen should only be considered if you are going 4k.
I just picked up an RX 6400 for 1/10th the price of this monster, and am looking forward to playing most of the games I like at 1080p 60fps, whilst drawing 1/7th the power in a tiny and almost-silent PC, and spending the money I'm saving (in initial outlay and on power bills) on booze and hookers... or something.
@@const3llations_370 - If you lived in the UK you would understand - we have the highest energy charges in the entire world. Mine has more than doubled in 3 years, and it's likely to go up another 40% next year.
Finally! Thank you for finally being a reviewer not just saying "yay more performance!" I've felt like I was talking crazy pills with these stupid prices
I bought my first gaming pc in 2021. My only frame of reference for pricing is post-mining. Everyone says the 4080 is a bad deal and I understand the argument when you compare MSRPs. But Ive never seen a gpu sold at MSRP before. I havent seen a 4090 for under $2k since launch. Some retailers are still selling the 3090 for $1600. The 3080ti is $900-1600 depending on variant and retailer. I waited when I saw the 3090ti on sale for $900 because it was before the 40series launch and I thought they might drop further. Now Im worried if I dont grab a $1300 4080 at microcenter today, prices may worsen again. Am I just an idiot? Gaming/digital art are hobbies and AMD doesnt do well with the latter, so I havent considered their new lineup.
don't worry too much about it. high end current series graphics cards are designed for enthusiasts in mind. This isn't to say it won't affect you or I, but that the quality of your gaming experience, which is the main reason why you bought the gaming pc, isn't going to be impacted for another 5 or so years when the market design games around a different spec range. also a lot of the performances are relative under an extreme resource load. we're talking cyberpunk ultramax all raytracing enabled no fps cap, as well as graphic renders intentionally designed to be a massive load over an extended period. This rarely applies to in practice performance, games are still running fine with a 1080ti, and the industry isn't going to design their content around a small percentage of hardware access. there will be a new set of graphics cards in a few years, and in that time you'll have a better understanding of your pc to make these kinds of calls.
I was willing to go up to $750-800 for an upgrade, but not for a 60 or 70 class card. So I pulled the trigger on a 6800xt (new) for $520 last week. I'm confident that I got as much performance as I could reasonable get within the price range I was willing to consider. Plus, for the first time, I don't have an Nvidia.
Same! Bought a 6750XT last week, upgrading from a GTX 1060. RTX 3070-level rasterization performance for €150 less than the Nvidia card here in Europe. It's my first AMD card since the ATI HD 5870 and it's a fucking solid card for sub-500 Euros. I mostly play WoW, GTA V and MSFS2020 and the RX6750XT runs all those games at 4K with a much higher framerate than my old GTX 1060 could ever achieve at 1080p.
@@LoveleshKalonia Depends on the editing software you want/are using. Software companies are now taking AMD videocards more serious and have gained performance. The AMD RX 7000 series cards are going to be way better than previous generation for hardware specs.
@@DeeDee.Ranged I use Premiere Pro and Photoshop basically. Also After Effects sometimes. I am currently using RX460 2Gig 🤐 and desperately need an upgrade for 4K Editing as you can probably guess. I have kept it for over 6 years now, I will be keeping the new card for the similiar or longer period of time. I game occassionally and would need something powerful enough to drive my 1440 165Hz monitor. Can you suggest me something?
@@LoveleshKalonia If you do professional work, I recommend sticking with Nvidia cards in general. With AMD, I've run into multiple issues on an RX 5700XT with Premiere, and with their not-great GPU capture/encoder. Nvidia usually have better driver/software stability and compatibility if you are doing GPU-based rendering (video, VFX), or have workloads/plugins that might need CUDA cores. Also, certain AI-based workloads like the popular Stable Diffusion need CUDA cores to run, so if you are interested in exploring AI, or AI art in general, AMD won't provide that for you. Right now, buying used RTX 3090's can be a good deal, which can found at around $700-$750 USD. They are particularly good for productivity because of the massive 24GB buffer, and you will NEVER have to worry about video memory issues in ANY workload or game.
So true on the CPU comparison, I went from an 8700k to a 12700kf more P cores then having E cores making it miles ahead in performance and the 12th gen chip cost me $30 LESS than the 8th gen.
True, with one caveat - CPUs have such huge margins that it's much easier to do such achievements compared to the GPU market. That doesn't change the fact that this 4080 is absolutely horribly priced.
Thanks for being truthful and giving us all the real and raw information about this card, where other channels don’t seem to care that it’s insanely overpriced. Definitely taking your reviews and information to heart. Keep up the good work!
I bought a 3080 for 730€, when I would have paid 1600€ for the 4080. I think I made a good deal. I did my calculations before the reviews and made a good estimation of its power and efficiency. It's a great card, but I simply am not comfortable to spend that much money on a GPU in this economy.
Hardware Unboxed near the end of their review did cost/frame analysis at msrp and at $900 and it actually made sense at $900. I agree somewhere in the $800-900 range would have made this review's tone completely different.
I miss the days when you could expect low end at $150, mid range at $300, high end at $500, and ultra high end at $700. Now I have to cover my eyes before the price of new cards is revealed.
The problem is, no one trule made high end cards back and "high end cards" had normal performance, because normal performance was enough for games. There were exceptions E.g. AMD tried making a few monster cards back in the day, and those cost up to $1500 way back then (now add inflation to that). Nvidia made one or two of these too. This died out becuase it was overkill, they cost a fortune and the powerconsumption/efficiency was ludicrous (kinda like the practicality of a Bugatti is ludicrous). Then both AMD went back to the old undistorted lineup. But Nvidia kept making ludicrous cards (though slightly dailed back...to seem more sensible). Soon, AMD's high end cards were wrongly being called "mid-range cards" To get back to how things were, the ludicrous cards have to be rwmoved from the lineup. The 4080 and 4090 needs to be not manufactured. The 4070 should be renamed the 4080 and made the flagship. And then they need to stop indreasing die sizes or moving closed to cutting edge nodes...they need to go back to using the current older cheaper nodes, like they used to (cutting edge nodes are expensive). And they need to simplify design and cooling again, to something cheap looking like it used to be. And cheap VRAM. ...then you will get your wish and things will be as they were again.
It's not like games devs can make use of the power of a 4080 or 4090 in their game because the vast majority of gamers won't have one. These new GPUs are halo products, and will be bought by hundred times less people than the $200 class of cards which right now is comprised of only old hardware.
I got a good deal on the ridiculous XFX thiccc 3 ultra 5700XT ahead of the worst of the crisis and it's treated me really well. The vast majority of games I play are still CPU bound. Not sure what exact model, but the absolute highest spec of that weird multi-generation partner card stack.
@@demonwares I assume the new generation is so overpriced because Nvidia wants to get rid of its stock of 30xx GPUs, but considering that those still are sold for more than the launch MSRP even though they are two years old I I'd have to be insane to go for that.
I really like how you phrased buying a card of the previous generation if it can do what you want, starting at ~ 24:30 . Additionally this price/perf stagnation won't end until people start doing just that.
Oh believe you me, there's literally millions of gpu consumers who are sitting here just waiting. I still have my 5700xt and have yet to see any reason to upgrade. It's been nice, extra cash in my pocket. At some point competition will come along and an actual improvement will be available. Then I'll buy.
Do not expect good RT performance, I can tell you this much even before the launch. But otherwise, solid card. Still overpriced like hell though, it should be at least $150 cheaper. THe 4080 costing 2x what it should does not excuse the 7900xt(x) costing 1.5x what it should.
This is great, would also love if you compared the thermals against previous gen too, since some of us are also looking for improved thermals, on top of performance, power consumption and price.
@Nobody you are forgetting at this rate the 4090 has better price to performance making the 4080 look stupid af with its price Not to mention even 7900xt will probably beat it at 200USD less
@Nobody TBF, $700 two years ago is equal to a little over $800 when adjusted for inflation, so it’s about 49% more adjusted for inflation. Of course, that is not an excuse for Nvidia’s BS. Edit: Steve literally addressed this in the video, I just hadn’t watched to that point yet.
@Nobody It was 1-1 in a few charts. It's better in some, like RT, favoring Nvidia. It's worse in some rasterization, contributing to our complaints. 1-to-1 is just a rough statement of the average. We didn't caveat it every time.
Totally agree with the "it don't always has to be the latest and greatest" mantra. Just bought a used 3080 TI from a dude that bought a 4090 on day one. Pretty happy with it! :-) After the mess with the availability of the 30 series, I was certain I would skip that generation and get a shiny 40 something... But the prices are so ridiulous. 4090 start at around 2400€ here in Germany. It's insane!
Nice i did the same thing buddy got the 4090 day one. I bought his couple month old evga 3080ti ftw. Tbh its just in the closet I havnt installed it yet either ahah but its literally brand new. Buddies number 1 in Canada on benchmarks, takes care of his stuff better than anyone I know.
Already we see 4080s on ebay for $1600 US and up. I just ordered a brand new 6800XT for under $540. Playing my favorite game, FFXIV, at 4k, the 6800XT will provide half the performance of the 4090 for 1/5 of its current retail price and 2/3 the performance of the 4080 for 1/3 the scalper price. And it'll be a 33% improvement over my 2080Ti. Buying a brand new graphics card that's one generation in arrears provides value out the wazoo, at least for this release.
In a similar situation here. Bought a 1080Ti back in the day, skipped the 2000 series because it was a joke, skipped 3000 because of availability and now it feels like Nvidia's fking kidding me. Hope AMD's cards teach them a few lessons in humbleness this time around.
Yeah, all the American reviewers talking about the insane pricing, but indeed in the EU pricing is way higher. I'll stick with my 3080 for now, which I bought for 799 Euro. Hopefully the 5080 will be priced better
yea they lost their minds, I mean how dare they sell a product that's 30% better by increasing the price by 30%???? In the past they did 10% performance increases and called for 200-500$ more. They really lost their minds. Or you guys are fucking stupid. The few exceptions were when they released titans and then 80ti which was usually cheaper but same or even better performance like 1080ti. So I feel you people are stupid or pretend the past GPUs never existed.
A 1 to 1 money vs performance increase is what you'd expect in a completely controlled market, like in a monopoly or an "agreeable" oligopoly situation, for example. Thanks for your videos!
@@elmariachi5133 But, they do... I mean it was crystal clear from the video that the 6950 beats the 4080 on price/performance. Steve made that blatantly clear. And yes, the 7900xt(x) isn't released yet, but even if it slightly underperforms what everyone expects, it's still going to beat the 4080 on price/performance for rasterization. To be fair we'll have to see on RT.
Just remember what graphicscard prices were at 12 months ago. Did the skalpers took the price difference or Nvidia/AMD? It makes perfect economical sense to put the price tag high this time and reduce them later if the demand diminish. Day one buyers mostly pay any price anyway and the factual prices will depend on the demand. If the Bitcoin goes up again, even unlikely, the prices might even increase or stay the same and if not and the demand is too low, selling cards below retail prices coming.
@@sammiller6631 Did I say so? (As you seem to have trouble with interpreting language: This was a rhetorical question, just like your's because I obviously did NOT!) But mine neither is suggestive, nor does it result from intentional misinterpretation.
If the performance is anything close to what they are saying it is it will for sure. $200 cheaper base price and 8gb more memory just for starters... and no proprietary power plug.
@@drewg8334 Cant say 6900x is better more like a equal Dx12 and vulkan are yes while in Dx11 and Ray are Nah And fsr 2.1 still has not many game support
@@trashlikeu36 you're missing the point friend, even if that was the case, how would the 7900xtx be on par with a 3080ti when the 6900xt is the same or better?
@@drewg8334 You didn't talk about the 7900. You stated something about the 6900 vs 3080ti. He responded. He was correct. Now, you're now moving the goalposts.
As long as there are enough people who will buy this, even if it means digging deep, the upward price movement will never stop. I think companies really woke up to this mentality in recent years - make your customers dig deep and PAY, and if they can't pay, compell them until they do, and if they still can't pay, someone else in some under-tapped market sure can.
Ive yet to actually see a 4090 for sale on an online retailer that was not a marked up unit sold by a marketplace seller. Has there even been a restock since launch?
Looking forward to what AMD can offer around the $5-600 mark. I've always loved my Nvidia cards, I'm running a 3080 currently, but they're doing is simply anti consumer.
If I had to guess the 7700 XT will be $600 and the 7700 will be $500 7700 XT if rumors are true is 10% faster than the 6950 XT and the 7700 will probably be on par with a 6950 XT, but for $500.
If Intel can offer a 16GB VRAM card for $350 (even if it's partly because the card is weaker in DX9-11), then I hope their RX 7700XT can offer it too. I'm expecting it to cost ~$550, given that all GPUs seem to be getting a rather unwelcome price bump across the board.
I got a 3080ti for $600, kinda sucks my only option for upgrading (something worth it, not like 5 to 10 FPS ) is going to be at least $900, plus when I had a 5700 XT I got stuttering all over the place and the game is crashing all the time, in another life the 4090 would be $700 lmao
So much truth, thanks GN! When the majority (90+%) of gamers play on 1080 with most who have 75hz monitors, not many need anything more than a 1660 right now. I just managed a 6800xt for $400 brand new, but I was still on a 970 myself. Love the videos, thanks!
@@samysdefer we play* And yes, the majority of gamers can't afford more than enough to manage above 60fps at 1080 due to the cost of GPUs and other hardware. Not sure where it's funny, unless you've some data to otherwise refute my statement, you just look foolish ;)
Still rocking my 1080ti to this day, but im moving on to the 7900xtx. The bang for my buck intrigue is too strong to not go with AMD this time around. Either its gonna do well or its just gonna push me personally to pay the nvidia premium, i just wish more people were willing to make the jump to hopefully check nvidia on their prices!
1080ti is still a beast if you don't need the ray tracing. Card runs great in my Alienware Aurora R7, always stays around 80C when I'm gaming at 144hz on 1080p.
Agreed. Just bought a 3060 Ti (from a small RX 580) and it works perfectly fine on every game i have. No need for these overpriced wastes of material that is the 4000 series.
In a similar spot, have a 6900XT I put on water. More or less is equal to a 3090 with the monster overclock on it. Hopefully will go the 7900 XTX route here soon, but we must wait and see. And hope for the best, competition makes everything better for us consumers.
Performance per dollar really needs pushed back into consumer's faces. Too many people get caught up on marginal increases in performance to see if they really are getting a measured improvement over their current system, or if they simply are willing to put more money into their hobby now. Bought my 3070 for $480 when the prices really dipped late summer around here (local store). I absolutely knew there would be no point waiting for this gen with the way the prices would launch. Probably would have ended up paying 3 times the cost of the 3070 for a 4080... 3 times the performance? NOT
It looks like the RX 6900XT & 6950XT still have some very impressive performance to them. I think I'm still going to stick to my main goal of getting one of those over the RX 7900XTX. I'll wait on that and see how well it's doing once it's been out for a few months. I've even looked at the RX 6800XT as an alternative but there's still versions of that going for the same price as some 6900XT's. Getting a 6900/6950XT will finally give me a reason to invest in a 4K monitor. As far as cpu's go I was originally going for a 5800X3D but they kept selling out before I could buy one. So I just said F'it and bought a 5900X for the same price. It's not as fast in games but now I have more compute and processing ability for future tasks I might want to give a try. I wouldn't mind giving some 3D printing a try in the future. :)
No stick it out for the RX 7000 series! They announced recently (I think especially at time of your post) that they were going to release the best of their new cards for the same damn price as previous 6900 XT tier Don’t cheat yourself out of performance by moving too quick! If it’s the same or a hundred extra (doubt they’ll do any sales for the old cards that will be a decent saving) wait, save, and go for the bigger one!
@@Norinia Seeing as all of the better priced 6950XT's are all sold out currently it's looking like I'm going to have to wait anyway. All that is left are the units being sold by price gouging third markets and I'm not giving them anything. I still need to put in a better power supply before I can even run any big cards. As much as I want a new graphics card a psu and Xmas are more important right now. :)
VR tests are kinda hard to do. Not all, but a lot of VR games now employ automatic resolution scaling to avoid low fps motion sickness. Rather than testing FPS you'd want an AI to do pixel counting to determine how often the game lowers the resolution. Not an easy or fun thing to test.
@@Maxime-ho9iv If you are only gaming yeah. But if you do more with your GPU (ML, Rendering etc) sadly Nvidia's cards value is a lot higher than AMD's. They aren't even in the same league. Everything is made for Nvidia in every compute task.
Except APPLE's product has way better value. GPU is in the main processor(more powerful less energy usage) and you get a new OS X version. Not well optimized for OPENGL or DIRECTX as we know... What is NVIDIA giving their customers? Its the same ole same ole. I do not see anything new with NVIDIA. On the other hand - I'm still using my old macbook from 10 years ago. I still can use my PS3 and PS4. But that old $600 dollar NVIDIA GPU from 10 years ago... its collecting dust.
While as a gamer, I'm happy there are new GPU's to help progress the quality and enjoyment of games...I hope that Nvidia(and by extension partners) find themselves with a lot of extra stock sitting on shelves. With the direction of the world economy, I think this might be very likely after the initial release surge.
@@ChrisGrump - Same issue with consoles. They are cheaper than the cheapest PC for sure - but their only “available” in “rich”nations and the prices in “Over Exploited” nations are 2x-3x MSRP
@@ChrisGrump Na they're not keeping us from playing games they're keeping us from the newest shiniest toys but we can play games just fine. I got a new 6800XT Red Devil for $400 not too long ago via a rare opportunity and it does 1440p utra 144fps just fine in blockbuster games except cyberpenis. Don't need any of the new or overpriced junk. I built a rig my for cousin 2 weeks ago using a 6650XT Merc. Costed $329. He plays at 1080p ultra well over 144fps, and emulates a bunch of stuff like Switch, WiiU, PS3 etc with no issues. I've even seen some in the $200 bracket today. We have cards now, it's just up to you whether or not you want to buy it or keep letting companies like Nvidia jerk you around like a donkey chasing a carrot.
Can't wait to see this card on ebay in 2-3 years for actually sane prices. Nvidia will justify the price by saying "Well, we could sell it as a Quadro and make 8 times as much money. But we are being generous by letting you have it for only $1200."
With gaming developers seemingly stuck making remakes, the crypto market crashed, and month 6/7 of a recession. I have no idea who these cards are for.
People with a lot of disposable income or people who do nothing but game and work. Idk about anyone else but my grocery prices have gone up $200 a month extra for the same amount I was getting a year ago. I can’t afford to even save let alone spend money on this stuff at that price
My last 4 cards were all nvidia cards, with the high prices, I was convinced by a friend to get a amd card and I am loving it, I edit on a rx 6600xt (which is not a new card)and game on it too with no problems, I don’t even miss cuda my renders on davinci resolve are fast and very good, for now I am team red👍🏾
Do not be loyal to any company as a mere consumer. This Team Green and Red BS done by grown adults is very cringey to me. This is why the market is what it is right now in the first place. AMD needs to do better to compete against Nvidia's encoders, CUDA, Optix, and ray-tracing for far more high-end creative professionals to make meaningful switches to their cards. AMD can do it but they made those cards exclusive to Apple's Mac Pro.
I got RX570 8G and Ryzen davinci resolve is wicked fast on 4K Videos also i 1080p games i run them maxed out no issues this my first all AMD Computer i never going back
@@lilkwarrior5561 you're right. Shilling or rooting any company isn't good thing tbh. And to me, the smart-ass thing is the most cringe. Especially everytime people said they sastified with amd card for whatsoever reasons. Some guy will come up and told not to be loyal to any company ectt,.. As if that guy never bought overpriced card. It's very cringe to tell AMD user to be money-wise or be a wise-customer since i can say AMD stuff is always cheaper when compared to Nvidia in same segment. I have been using Nvidia card since i buy my first gig back in 2012. I skipped 2000s series and after 3000s series bs then this generation nuclear reation card. I'm pretty sure that i will go for amd card for my next gig.
@@namanhlehoang9999 There’s more to a card’s value than initial sticker price-this is especially true to a wide variety of the GPU market that includes people who gets the same cards for productivity and to save time such as creative and AI professionals. Bar of performance reached towards satisfactions (hedons) is a factor especially true for 4K+ gamers and those that want GPUs optimized for current-gen-console exclusives and what game devs want to use more that Nvidia tends to lead, massively commercializes (innovates), or supports the most towards being able to justify their higher prices that enough of the market is willing to pay-before and after cryptocrashes
@@lilkwarrior5561 you’re right. No doubt about it. But taking into account on how many RTX or RX counterpart segment buyer is actually looking High-End and Productivity. How many can afford 1500$ at least to get top-notch at performance or training AI, 3D modeling, CAD. And that is only the GPU, not counting the case, psu, cpu since it can be bottlenecked, and the electricity bill. On the other side, Amd or intel cpu can last you several generations. Then the scenario will be, if you don’t care about overpriced then pay for performance which is low diminishing return. If you’re into proficiency, performance per watts then go for the bang for buck stuffs. Since gpu is still at development state which means after each generation there will be a lot of thing to be done by gpu. But because of that, if i pay for top-notch Nvidia GPU, is it sure that will last me for several generations or i’m will keep paying each generations? Ain’t nobody know whether Nvidia hold their technology for each generation to milk buyer each generation or not? So to me, I don’t care about how good, or how innovative these card, either Nvidia or AMD. I buy based on my demands, my needs. I’m not into tripple a games, so DLSS or fake frame generates is meaningless for me. I mostly play old rpg game like Oblivion and Skyrim with a lot of mods, my job is data analyst and I’m pretty sure Nvidia price this generation based on Machine Learning potential. So my next gpu for my new gig will be AMD. And the funniest part is though I skipped 3000s series. I still got a 3080ti 12gb from a guy who is scalpers for 975 bucks back in July because i heard many people say Amd card can’t run Blender well. With that i can say i stay neutral toward both NVIDIA and AMD, not rooting or boyscotting any of these two company. I pay less for more, and not into pay more for less.
I managed to grab a 3080 fe at the end of March, right before availability picked up. Once it did I started to question my purchase slightly. Ever since the 40 series launch, I feel better about my purchase each day.
Will be keeping my 3080ti that I got for $650 new, crushes it in every game I use and even kills it in cyberpunk 2077 with Raytracing at 1440p. If RTX 4080 comes down to $800ish then I’d consider but will skip this generation likely
It's amazing that they can completely "unlaunch" a product about a month before launch... But their prices were clearly locked in during the Cypto boom boom and they never managed to update them.
No it isn’t. It’s priced this way to force people to buy a 30series card or get the 4090. The performance is where it needs to be unlike the 3080 vs 3090 that made the 3090 look like a joke at the price point. Nvidia learned their lesson with that. Edit: this guy edited his original comment by adding the last part once we told him why it’s priced like this.
Because thats their plan and what this scum greedy company want. I pity all this ngreedia fanboy, I go amd this time, the gtx1080 mark the end with ngreedia.
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I don't believe you guys are TRUE tech journalists....!! If you were you would STOP reviewing these BS products in the first place. This would truly send a clear message to companies like NGREEDIA that it's time they either come down to EARTH or just build a flying saucer and move to another galaxy where beings can afford their products!!
the 2600 is a good 6 core cpu back in the day
Thats all nice but: AMD does NOT have DLSS. They do not have CUDA, They do not have Optix, They do not have: a proper Hardware Ray Tracing Solution, They do not have: Hardware for Real Time Motion Blur Calculation, they do not have a proper Video ENcoder, ... [...,...,...,...,...] I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on...
AMD DOES NOT HAVE. And THAT is the reason they will NEVER be at the top spot. They failed in the last 30 years and will in the next 30.
your CPU comparison is not great tho, they sell a product which costs 50$ in production for 700$, so there is way more headroom.
@@TheNerd Did you not pay attention to the presentation? AMD does have a proper Video Encoder now. RT is overrated. FSR3 looks good. Not that I would use it or DLSS. Why is everyone so impressed with fake frames? I don't even own an AMD card. But I can see the fanboy coming out. "Testing Shows AMD's AMF Encoder Finally on Par With Nvidia NVENC" Intels AV1 encoder is better than both. CUDA...🙄
Blizzard ~2018: Do you guys not have phones?
NVIDIA ~2021-: Do you guys not have money?
We don't have enough money billions and profit percentage : Nvidia 2022-2023
@@willwunsche6940 just had their best years ever in profits but oh no lets go higher every year.
Silicon Valley(on social media) ~The last god knows how many years: Do you guys not care about the enviroment?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE NO MONIES?!
Government ~2022: We'll just print more and have the plebs pat us on the back for it.
My favourite thing about GN is that they are all for value proposition, they don't fall into the hype train with new products. If the value isn't there, it doesn't matter how good it performs they will say you better buy the old product instead even if the "cool" thing to do would be buying the new shiny thing. Thanks Steve and the entire team for the focus and reason you bring into PC consumers.
If you look at the data Steam collects on their survey you see that most people game on mid to low end stuff. Seve is very aware of that. 👍
Steve and the GN team mostly always speaks for the consumer, which I love. He also speaks reason to the consumers. If you don't need to upgrade, don't. If it makes you happy to upgrade, do it. That's what he usually say.
The costs for these is just absolutely outrageous. If AMD gives me a more compelling offer, you can bet your ass I’m jumping the Nvidia ship.
@@HydroKyl240COG Happy 5700XT user for 2.5 years.. 1440p 60fps High settings on Cyberpunk.. Raytracing is in like 2% of games atm so its literally not worth buying a card for RT only
Its cause most people don't need or want to spend more than $450-500 max on a GPU. I remember when proper high end cards were 500 back a few years ago like the 1080. Now the mid high level stuff is like 500 starting. I'm fortunate enough to be in a position where I can spend $600 on a card but I still think it's not good.
Hopefully this is the generation where Jensen gets humbled just a little and comes back to reality with the pricing. AMD better not mess this up. Give us outstanding value, claim your market share like you did against Intel with Ryzen, and lets see if Jensen can bake up some humble pie in his kitchen.
Need another gtx 280 scenario where they HAVE to drop the price to be competitive
unfortunately a lot of people who buys nvidia will always stick to it because "amd drivers bad"
@@operatorpsyduck2035 that and I fear amd is still decently behind in ray tracing unfortunately
@@operatorpsyduck2035 I was one of those people, but multiple reviewers I trust have now talked about how they haven't had any AMD driver issues in at least a generation, so if the value is there, I'm willing to let them replace my 1070 Ti.
@@operatorpsyduck2035 have you heard of CUDA exclusivity
Thanks for including benchmarks of the 1070 and other older GPUs! It really helped me make a decision on what GPU upgrade is best for me. I decided to go with a 6700XT since the price/performance ratio fits my budget best. I paid $350 for my 1070 back in the day and I paid $350 for the 6700XT! I consider that a good upgrade.
lol I went from a 1070 TI to a 6700 XT
Yep, similar shoes. I went for the 6950xt since I also do video editing. Was thinking of waiting for 7000 series but I'd have to pay at minimum £400 more. Im happy with the performance I have for both gaming and editing for another couple of years.
Went from 1060 to 3060ti both were around 400€ when new
Smart mofo lol, I couln't buy a GPU last year so I just bought the Alienware M15 R4 with 3070 in it anyways. Mofos are out there scalping laptops too btw guys.
@@thabo5799 I thought about going for the $700 6900XT sale on Asus's website since I do work with blender and Autodesk Inventor, but that's $300 more than what I budgeted for. So I waited it out until the 6700XT went on sale.
They did this completely on purpose. They overproduced the 30 series, and you would THINK excess supply would mean lower prices, but it turns out that "lower" is a relative term, so they just jacked up 40 series pricing as an extension of the 30 series rather than a replacement (and you could tell this by the fact that 30 series was still listed in their product stack for the 40 series reveal images; you didn't see the 20 series stack in the 30 series reveal).
AMD could really slam Nvidia if they want to. So we'll see just how much they want to.
Yeah this is the elephant in the room. It seems entirely obvious they just want consumers to purchase their older 30 series instead of the new 40
@@supernero12 The hack they don't want you to know about: You can buy used. There are so many used 30 series card available now, it really makes a lot of sense to get one that way. Honestly at this point I'd rather get one cheap of a miner, than reward Nvidia for their greed.
@@Niosus Agreed. That's exactly what I did in June, prices weren't quite as low then, but it was a better time for me in terms of available time to game, so no regrets.
AMD wants to make money, too, and for whatever reason the market won't support AMD cards at NVIDIA prices.
Also 30 series is still selling good and nvidia is getting those old chips dirt cheap from Samsung. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are actively manufacturering more 30 series because profits are so good.
50% more performance for a 70% higher price.
More than double the price in Europe actually.
Exciting...
@Defective Degenerate Dont worry, these kinda features will come soon.
Thank you for focusing on the pricing so much, unlike many other reviews I watched. Doesn't matter how much performance we get, this much of a price increase is nuts.
In 2012 a GTX 580 was 499.99. Let that sing loudly in your head.
@@wf6951 not just that, but that was back then "80" meant you were getting the full uncut biggest die NVIDIA made with no cores disabled...
Yep... Positive feelings towards both the GTX 1080 and 1080 ti. Such great cards. Still kicking ass.
yeah no.. if you play oldschool games, but they would get slaughtered by my 4k screen.
@@MikeAndersson it holds up pretty well. can run things on 1440p on nice graphicws with decent fps.
@@MikeAndersson Yeah, most people that play competitive games play on 1080p so they can get 300+ fps and low latency. So I would say that the 1080ti is still perfectly fine for 90% of gamers, and I have a 3080ti so I’m not coping
@@god8348 And who fooled you with that lie.. most who plays comp? You do know your talking about the tip of the 10-15%.. Most plays on toasters or have work and spend money on the riggs.. very few plays competitive 10% of the top 12 hours a day.
Thats words from someone whos very young or maybe study XD
@@MikeAndersson That was a sad read, but I think considering most of the top games with high players are live service, competitive games, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. I guess nobody plays CSGO, Fortnite, Valorant, Rainbow six siege, rocket league, League of legends, Overwatch, WOW, Cod, Dota, despite having by far the largest active player counts at any concurrent time.
You are so right, how could I not possibly realize this, nobody plays the most popular genre of games
I’m never surprised at Steve and the GN team’s honesty and integrity. People don’t realise that UA-camrs aren’t “just” UA-camrs. They’re helping to keep these corporations honest. They’re advocates for us as consumers. I really appreciate the GN team.
In before Linus is totally okay with the pricing on this …
Sorry , most UA-camrs are paid by companies .
Yeah, consumer journalism.
Unless you're linus...
@@knghtbrd yep. they did mention some things abt price-performance, but i felt that their piece tried to paint a picture that 4080 is not as bad as we think. Which is bullshit. Why would u get a 4080 when u could get a 7900xtx for 200 dollar cheaper MSRP. 🤨
The main point of the RTX 4080 is to make the RTX 4090 look better by comparison.
The problem is that the 4080 isn't even doing that with that insane pricing. The 4090 isn't going under 2000€ here in Germany. The 4080 is like around 1400-1700€. No one with a clear mind should buy these cards for gaming. AMD is offering better options.
Classic upsell!
@@Kley96 it’s new. People buy new things
@@Kley96 thats why im hoping that 7900xtx is at least on the level of the 4080. Since im running a 2070s atm, even 30 series raytracing (basically 7000 rdna3) is an upgrade
it's like popcorn in the cinema, there is almost no difference in price between medium and large, but the large is 50% more
You should add a $/frame graph for each card, compared to last generation too (for launch prices)
thanks for watching. for watching.
Agreed. It is useful to compare to current pricing when talking about what to buy right now, but disingenuous to compare to current pricing when talking about gen to gen value per dollar, esp when comparing across companies. Should use launch price for that.
Hardware Unboxed have $/frame graphs.
@InSomnia DrEvil yup, also which price? I know most of you did not get a RTX30 series at MSRP...
That doesn't work well when regional pricing is all kinds of screwed up, only would make some sense for the US and only when there is no ongoing component shortage (and it is still very much going on, though at a lesser scale)
Comparing FE launch prices (and rounding) the 3080 was $700 and the 4080 is $1200. That's 71.4% price increase which is a decent bit more than the 53% performance increase Steve mentioned at 8:14. So, it's actually going backwards generationally in performance per $.
Does the cost of manufacturing and developing the card run parallel to performance increase gen on gen?
They've seen people will pay stupid prices to play video games and are taking full advantage of it. I personally find it hilarious that people feel they need 4090 levels of performance to play games...
@@AudioPhile yeah, there s no point. Running something like a 2080ti on a 2k resolution is more than enough to play anything on ultra (or close to it) settings with good framerates and awesome visuals.
@@livolas not only that but the difference between ultra and medium settings is often pretty marginal and barely noticeable.
The 4080 should be 850 MAX. 80 series cards used to be only 500-600. Every year they get more greedy. 1300 for a regular 3080?? That’s absurd! I’m sick of this shit smh.
@@roosterbooster6238
Sounds like cope.
This I why I love Steve and GN.
You always give honest, no-bullshit, detailed reviews that look out for us, the consumers.
The 80-series of cards STARTING at £1.2K is brutal in itself, enough said
Rtx 2080ti vibes
I wish I could buy it for 1200$, it's 1500-1900€ here, way too much when the cheapest model of 4090 is 1999€
@@xvnbm 4080 strix cost more than 4090 tuf here
I found two offers for the 4080: from KFA2 for 2k € and MSI for 2.7k €
4090 starts at 2.3k €
3090 and 3090ti still starting at MSRP with 1.2k € and 1.5k € respectively
meanwhile the RX 6900 XT starts at 750 € the 6950 XT at 880 €. Very tempting, but I'll wait for RDNA3
Nvidia can do one.
The 7900 XTX looking more enticing every day.
My wallet looking smaller and smaller every day.
If, as expected, it slots in between the 4080 and 4090 at 200 whole dollars less, then AMD wins this generation, for sure.
@@Gabu_ Looking at AMD's numbers juxtaposed with 4080 and 4090 review results, yeah, it's 10-15% faster than 4080, 10% slower than 4090, but much cheaper than both, and most importantly, it's 70% faster than my current GPU. I am definitely getting it next month. I said long ago that RTX 40 would be DOA to me, looks like I was right.
It really isn't. It's still a 1k$ card, that would sell for 1.2-1.3 in reality.
@@dat_21 This just in, local man learns about money.
Fighting the good fight. Nexus can always be trusted for solid reviews looking out for the consumer. Well done, team!
Never forget that $699 to $1,199 price increase AND that they tried tricking people with the mislabeled 4070
"mislabeled" 😝
You know Nvidia could fix this all easy, just drop the prices of everything by $300-400 and they'd be really pretty tempting deals.
Well they did find out that we customers are suckers and buy everything, no matter the price...
I still think this is the 4070 tbh, it's almost half the cuda cores of the 4090, WTF?!
@@memitim171 it is a pretty shit compared to the 4090. Either get s 4090 or AMD. The rest of nvidia line up appears to be booty cheeks
$699 MSRP of the 3080 vs $1200 4080 is pretty savage, lol.
It’s absurd, Nvidia absolutely milking pc gamers dry
it was never $699 in EU $900 for the cheapest model
@@TTVFails yuropoor moment
That's the plan, it seems. Make the insane 3000-series prices seem better in comparison.
Ampere showed them what people are willing to pay for their cards. This gen wont be any different.
I'm no longer hoping AMD is going to bring Nvidia's pricing down. I'm soon buying an AMD card for cheaper
If only people realised this at the launch of the HD 5870 12 years ago... AH well, better late than never I suppose.
Same bro. Gonna get a higher end last gen AMD now. Sick it with Nvidias bullshit.
@@summushieremiasclarkson4700 or the people that bought the 1050ti over 470...
@@summushieremiasclarkson4700 Bro i realized it back then and got HD 6950 and HD 7970, but 390X and Vega just suck :D
I find it quite disingenuous to hope for AMD to force Nvidia to lower prices, which means they offer better value, so that then you can go and still buy Nvidia.
I second what you said about CPUs. A mid range CPU is significantly more powerful than a top end CPU 2 years ago. Progress.
The 4090 is going for $2200+ 13% sales tax in Ontario Canada right now. Just under $2500. Nvidia went off the deep end this gen
Just get a 3080Ti ftw or 3090 strix for a 1000$ like I did. prices already up so guessing those cards will be 1200$ tomorrow ahah
and? that's a good price if you can get it.. I won close to 2K USD last night on Monday night football.. Learn to not fucking suck....
I got a 6800XT used for $550 (I’m in BC.) screw the new GPU market
@@Slenderman63323 would getting a 3070 off eBay be a good idea, or where'd you get your GPU?
$2200 CAD is equal to $1656 USD. Sales tax they can't control. 4090 retails for $1599 USD MSRP.
I'm not shilling for NVIDIA, surely you can realize that not every country has currency that's 1:1 with the USD.
If people are disappointed with this, imagine how the 4080 12gb would have been received.
Ive never spent over $400 on a GPU and I don't plan to. The way this is going there wont be a 40 series card under $400.
@@mushieslushie you might as well just get a console at that point
@@ASTRALEGION Might as well stick a leaf blower up my ass too right? Good one brosef.
@@ASTRALEGION congrats on the dumbest comment I’ve seen in this video’s section. 400$ GPU can easily outpace consoles.
@@thannydevitos2332 I think his comment was a bit tongue in cheek.
Thank you!!!! Everyone forgets that for years you got increased performance for a given tier without a price increase. (There was some creep due to real inflation, not gouging calculated inflation, but generally stayed the same). I remember when a top tier GPU was $500, several generations in a row. And last year's models actually went on sale when new parts came out, or even just before they came out.
thanks for watching. for watching.
honestly at this point, next time i buy a gpu, i might just go amd/intel regardless of the actual specs just because fuck nvidia.
Back in the days when a new GPU release actually meant there would be a decrease in price of the previous gen. Now a new GPU releases at a higher price and you just sit on your old GPU thinking "I can wait until next year." They sell less GPU's overall, but at double the price...does it make up for the lower sales numbers?
With inflation calculated the last time Nvidia had a flagship gpu for $500 in todays money was 2003.
this exactly. I'll pay 500-550 for the 2nd tier gpu, so 4070, but it has to be better fps per dollar than the previous gen GPUs. and for the past two years at least that has not happened, and so I still have my old GPU. I'm fine running high settings instead of ultra.
Would love to see a 1080ti added to these charts, been holding onto mine for years and never quite sure where it stacks up. Thanks for all your hard work on these videos! :)
rtx 3060 ti, somewhere there.
It's between a 3060 and 3060 Ti
@@Jepysauce 4060: yep! 1080ti it's me! :D
...
Everyone: don't worry, we will tear you apart 4060, so this time you won't reincarnate again :D
4060: :((
Nvidia's performance increase is like your boss giving you a pay raise of 30%, but you have to work 30% more.
No you have to work 50% more
Although I would rather things be different, I like having the option. If you want more performance, you can pay for it. I hate saying this, but in comparison to the 4080, the 4090 doesn't look that bad. It's a stupid amount of money, but $400 (33% more) for something that is 35-45% better is fine by me. Either buy one or don't for your use case and budget. Things would change if the 4080 was $699/$799.
And yet often times that's how the real world works. Hmm. Weird.
@@riley900 thanks for watching. for watching.
@@M340B58 thanks for watching. for watching.
I know it's been said a thousand thousand times now, but damn,
I'm starting to really feel why EVGA left NVIDIA
@@PutsOnSneakers what the F man
Nah for them to leave Nvidia they would've had to employed by them. EVGA straight up DUMPED Nvidia
lol so cringe all these people acting as if EVGA was some kind of family member or something, clowns.
@@budgetking2591 hahaha i have the same sentiment, so fucking cringe everytime i see that! OHHH POOR EVGA DIDNT WANT TO CHARGE PEOPLEMONEY FOR GPUS SO THEY QUIT THE GPU BUSSINES.
@@zexedearth89 yeah it's just a heatsink for me lol
Only Nvidia can make us miss the days of the $800 GPU lol. Most people hated how the price went up from 500 to 800, but now... we are all dreaming about those magical 800 dollar times. So well done Nvidia! Maybe a $1500 RTX5080 will make the $1200 4080 look great?
What are you talking about? Nvidia have $399 3060 Ti and their 3080 Ti for around $800 to buy.
@@spankbuda5760 Oh wow, generation old cards at MSRP, how enticing for the consumer.
@@spankbuda5760 Don't be obtuse. He was talking about top end enthusiast (non-titan level) cards. And if you didn't know that then go buy a clue.
The 3080ti didn't just launch, its almost 1.5 years old, and where is it available new from a major retailer for that price? (and no linking to some crap 3rd party seller with 2 reviews)
@@MooKyTig The 3000 series cards was launched 1.5 - 2 years ago but due to the circumstances at that time and the limited availability a lot of people wasn't able to get their hands on one until around 6 months ago. And yes, the MSI Ventus 3080 Ti on Best Buy website was being sold for $739.99 that you can view the image on tech4gamers nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-750 website. Hell, even the 3080 Ti FE was reduced to $899 on Best Buy. Why do you think that most 3080 Ti's are sold out everywhere?
The only thing a 5080 at this price will make look great is a $700 PS6.
The 4080 are between $1800 and up to over $2000 here in Norway. I miss the days when a high mid-range (60 -70Ti) GPU was around $400-$800.
4k series on some vendor sites in the US are well above 2000 USD. :/ You aren't the only one who misses pricing from 7 years ago.
Don't cry kids. Get an older card or a used card. Every card on every single gaming rig I've ever built (or put a card into) has been used and has never been the newest card available and I've still had a lot of fun on with each set up.
Serious question, since I'm trying to learn more about PC gaming, what is considered high mid-range gaming? I've personally disliked playing games with fancy graphic options, too much eye candy for my palette. Would something like 720p at 60 fps (with generally low quality graphic settings) be considered very low-range gaming?
@@Ruben_M. Mid to high Mid is generally between the 60 series to 70Ti on Nvidias site. Dont know about 720p gaming, but a 1060 card should do 1080p gaming at medium and high settings at a decent framerate. If you dont like fancy graphics you can just turn settings to low.
@@Ruben_M. bro do yourself a huge favor at leave 720p altogether. For real! It doesn't matter what kind of games u like. 720 looks really bad now even w retro games. Get at least a 1060 but my #1 recommendation for a budget is the 1070 or 1660ti
Time and time again EVGA showing us they got out at the right time. GN also, yet again, delivering the info and details for gamers and consumers and not being scared to speak out against companies.
thanks for watching. for watching.
My take on this: we paid scalper prices for the last generation and Nvidia figured they could do the same and priced accordingly. Here in the UK, virtually the entire 4090 stock is on ebay for 3 grand a pop. Those actually in stock are being price gouged by retailers. AMDs 7900xtx will be the "value" card despite being similarly overpriced. This is the future of PC gaming.
Let's hope AMD fixes this. Nvidia has had it's reign for too long and has completely lost touch with reality.
Will you all from across the pond STOP bringing up your inflated pricing that's caused by a numerous of economic issues?! You all are almost in a recession if not already. So of course you're going to see inflated cost on food, electronics, energy, etc.
@@spankbuda5760 bruh it's just import taxes.
Here in italy it is 22%, so any card overpriced in the US, well just add 22% and that's the minimum we are going to pay
@@spankbuda5760 there are no economic issues. it's all greed. "economic issues" is what they want you to think so they can get away with it.
Inflation is global and is irrelevant to Nvidia's pricing. MSRP for gfx cards has always been inline with US pricing, just in £s rather than $s, so yes we pay more but not massively so. This launch on paper the same, but retailers are bumping the asking price like they did with the 3000 cards, which didn't happen with the 2000 series or the 1000 series launches, although scalpers have all the stock anyway and is going for between 2 and 3k. Nvidia's pricing this time around is a direct result of the prices we collectively paid for the scalped 3000 series stock. "Supply and demand" was the much touted excuse for scalper behaviour, but what they actually did was create a shortage and artificially inflate prices. They did the same thing with consoles, one estimate had around 30% of PS5s sold via retail outlets as never having been switched on after several months. They were sat in scalpers garages waiting to be sold on ebay.
The Nvidia and AMDs pricing now reflects this new normal.
Yeah, During the lifespan of the 3080, Nvidia saw that people are prepared to pay absurdly high prices for their cards. I hope it was mostly crypto miners, since they don't care about the price of GPU's, and now that that market has dissapeared that Nvidia will sit on these like bricks. This insane pricing policy must be opposed.
I reckon that most 3080s went to crypto miners, but another element to consider is that a lot of people who did splurge out to get a 3080 or 3090 absolutely will not buy a 40-series card, for they decided when they purchased a 3080 (ti) or 3090 that they were going to keep that card for 3-4 years or more precisely because it cost them an arm and a leg.
Its already happening. Used 3080's are 1/4 the price MSRP so nobody in their right minds are buying 3080's new let alone 4080's.
They cant possibly overprice their next gen cards because if they do, AMD will undercut them and completely dominate the market while Nvidia sits holding an even bigger bag
And it is, with AMD starting at 899. I truly hope these cards are good.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 why wouldn't you keep a card for ~4 years regardless of price nowadays? Games simply don't have that high a performance requirement increase.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 This. Had my 1080 not been dying, I'd still be using it. I plan to keep the 3080 for at least 5 years.
Love my new 4080 build from micro center (g471) compared to the 3080.Revisiting cyberpunk but now all settings max, all RT ultra, 4k on my tv at 120hz. Friggin beautiful
Unlikeable characters in my OP. Just a misrable bunch. The story is so so, gunplay is basic and the driving is horrific. Still a very oberhyped game based on looks in my OP. I put in about 25 hours.
@@gold3neye889 Why would you feel the need to try and downplay his enjoyment? You must be miserable.
After being with Nvidia since the Riva TNT days, I needed to replace a dying 1060 and took a chance on a Radeon this year, and I am not regretting it. AMD appears to have solved the driver issues they were known for, the card plays all my games with no issues; and after today any thoughts I had about going back to NVIDIA are now gone. As soon as the new Radeon cards are available I'm getting one, NVIDIA needs a Ryzen style correction, and I hope AMD and INTEL are up to the task.
How is the software? I'm so used to nvidia's control panel all these years.
During the worst shortage of cards, my wifes pc died and in the end we decided to get her a laptop since there was a point where laptops with configs as strong as desktops were bit cheaper than said desktops. So my wife decided to get on the "mobility" train. I was sceptical when switching from Intel/Nvidia to full AMD, expecting issues with drivers I had all those years back and why I switched to Nvidia. Guess what? The 5900HX cpu is as good as expected, and the RX6800M works like a charm. One game (a 8yo oldie) was casuing issues, and that was indeed a gpu driver thing. But other than that? Smooth with no issues.
My desktop is slowly oustaying it's welcome, and if the coming gpus from AMD are better in terms of value ? That will be my pick as well. And yeah, both AMD and Intel need to ste up their game so that Nvidia starts loosing income in the personal pcs category of products. Only way we can see those asurd prices drop to reasonable levels.
@@igano111 a bit confusing and game-y like but works well.
Thank you. I still using my 1060 and hope it survives till 7800 is out. How is AMD quality and performance in recording/streaming games? I'm really concern about that more than its gaming performance because I know it will be more than enough for me.
"Driver issues" exist only in the eyes of NVidia's paid shills.
The 1-1 performance upgrade is actually worse of you already own a card cause you're basically paying for it again at the exact same price.
this is how I feels about the RTX 3050, I have a 1660 Ti, and the 3050 have the exact same rasterizarion performance for about 10 to 20 dollars more (around $300) in the current market, way more than what I paid in 2019 for the 1660 Ti ($289)
70-series die size
80-series branding
90-series pricing.
Hard pass. nVidia is the undisputed king at gouging its customers.
Also 70 series bus.
But their customers love being gouged because it makes them "better".
Can't wait to get mine!
People don't have to buy them it's not gouging if there are obviously other choices.
@@robertp457 MSRP still matters significantly. This is why the Ti cards in the 30-series were such a huge issue. Scalping or no scalping.
Just bought a 3080Ti. It's so insane, I should be set for years to come.
Yeee 3080 gang
Got a new rig myself a few months ago with a 3080 ti and i5 12500k. This was coming from a 2060 S paired with a 9700k. Very, very happy with my new set up :D
honestly man I just ignore the 40 series cards I think their a waste
@@dartheveloper5449 I agree. Just got a 4080, buddy has 3080 similar settup. I get like 30-40fps more than him on Forza. Is it worth it to me? heck yeah, I got the best of the best in the market rn. Would i do it again? Hell nah. 3080 is good enough. lol
@@Aussie_Tom Unless you want raytracing, you should really go AMD... it's better at pretty much everything at this point
@Sec FromTheC2MK 6 you both played the same game, there both so good you wouldn't know which card you were playing unless you had a fps meter.
Nvidia: It’s never our problem that you don’t have money to buy our overpriced products 😂
Not overpriced if people pay for it. And people are paying for it (myself definitely not included). Econ 001.
Its not Nividias problem that you don't have enough money. They dont owe you a thing, just like you dont owe them your business.
@@SSoul0 what a weird logic as a consumer. Can only assume you are on a payroll. Hopefully you will get priced out of whatever hobby you have…
Ultimately and hopefully it will be nvidias problem. A company is nothing without customers. There’s only so far you can push people.
Nvidia: Have you tried not being poor?
I do have the money, but I will not spend it on products that are overpriced.
I do love how as GamersNexus has become more influential, Steve hasn't lost his integrity - in fact, while his staff may be incorporating more clickbait and Steve is raising his voice more often, it is usually just, fair and resolved within the first fifteen minutes. GamersNexus is the _premier_ example of consumer-advocating reviewer conduct which clowns on bad PR when there are attempts to manipulate the message. Stay strong Steve #NoFilter
Agreed. Steve has the highest integrity in the hardware review game. Match that with well organized systems to evaluate new tech, a solid team, geeky sense of humor and to top it off... The hair of a drummer in a metal band 🤣
I remember, just a few years ago at the Roast of Linus, everyone was joking about how Steve was so boring.
Adding some passion and writing that helps makes talking points has helped get over that.
Fuckin Linus, his goddamn smug face in EVERY SINGLE video cap pisses me off so much
@@seantaft3853 I was one of a few who suggested in a couple of videos to add timer bars into graphs so people who become easily bored and distracted staring at them can see the duration of a graph on the screen, GN team took it _in part_ - I also requested a _separate_ timer bar representing total time of all charts within a given section, but I suppose they dropped that because it was too much work, which is reasonable since I like the way GN has them right now.
@@seantaft3853 I thought he came off really well in that roast.
Pretty insane that AMDs previous generation card is actually competitive with Nvidia's new ones as far as price:performance goes.
I think nvidia target marker doesnt care about price / performance
The sad thing is that this is only true because NVidia raised the prices into the stratosphere. I love what AMD has done with the CPU market and was glad to put my money behind it. Now I hope they will give me a reason to buy a 7000-series GPU, because last gen I couldn't justify it.
@@smokeysify Not exactly, most Nvidia cards in the Steam surveys are 1060, 1660, 2060, etc. They're trying to purely target the high-end market now, but the broader Nvidia customer base is looking for the best product they can get at a particular price point
@@demrasnawla Which is why I think AMD stands to gain. People with 1060s would do well to look at AMD's offerings when they decide to upgrade.
try a 1080ti...or even a 980ti compared to the new cards...
It would restore some badly needed faith in humanity if consumers continue to say no to this shit.
With how alot of reviewers are talking about the 40 series its almost like we are in some kind of "the emporer's new clothes" scenario and im just thankful that atleast gamers nexus have their senses to call it for what it is. kudos to you guys!
Hardware Unboxed's review was lukewarm at best. Paul's Hardware didn't like it either...
Most reviews I have seen slam the pricing
What are you talking about? Pretty much every tech youtuber is roasting the pricing of the 4080.
@@andersjjensen he looked distinctly unenthusiastic in his review…
@@roosterbooster6238 Yeah, that's pretty much what "lukewarm at best" means.
GN needs to do a 2022 update of AMDs gpu drivers. I have noticed a huge improvement, dispelling some myths about driver support may help increase competition.
The myths about bad drivers from ATi were made from nvidia during the 2007-8 vista crisis, when nvidia’s enthusiast forum outreach program was still a thing, and nvidia had been found to be responsible for like 45% or something crazy like that of all crashes on windows vista. What’s crazy is how AMD fit the shoes of the myths as they ran out of money to spend on driver development, and QA
drivers are still behind nvidia's in terms of features, i constantly hear about cool settings that amd either doesnt have or are very limited. AA injection is dx9 only, for example.
@@ZeludeRose What do you do with AA Injection in 2022?
@@tranquil14738 Yup and all you still hear is amd drivers bad people just keep regurgitating it. I have not had 1 problem with a ati/amd driver. Can't say the same for nvidia so yeah.
@@tranquil14738 Yup and all you still here is amd drivers bad people just keep regurgitating it. I have not had 1 problem with a ati/amd driver. Can't say the same for nvidia so yeah.
In my currency it is about a 115% price increase compared to the 3080. In fact it costs 15% more than my entire PC did in 2019 and that came with a 9700K and RTX 2070 Strix case,cooler, PSU,RAM, two M.2 SSDs and one HDD. To put in perspective it is about $1650 here so more than the 4090 is in the US. 4090 is technically $2200 here but real price seem to be closer to $3000 so I’m expecting the 4080 to be around $2000 after a few cards sold at MSRP.
I buildt a full 5600x 16gb ram 3080 rig at 30series launce for 1600,-
Had almost the exact same rig spec wise for the same price. No way I’m upgrading until the 4090 is $800 or less.
The 4090 is $3900 NZD at it's cheapest. With a direct currency conversion (I know this isn't really the most accurate representation of things, as there is shipping etc to take into account) but that's $2400 USD at current exchange rate. I feel your pain, greatly.
As a new viewer I really liked the decreasing stamina bar to let me know when to pause the screen if I hadn't finished comparing the results. I also appreciated the highlighting of the gpu you were talking about so we could all keep up with what card you were comparing. Nice review and nice editing.
The craziest thing to me is that not too long ago $1200 would get you a whole ass pc build... not a "budget" lower end one like now but a pretty high end build for the same amount Nvidia now wants us to pay for a single of their overpriced GPUs
You should specify by saying 80 class cards are now reaching $1200 because for the last 3-4 generations the highest end GPU's (Titans, Ti's) were always a $1000+ so idk why you're complaining about it now 6-7 years later 😂
@@WizG. Titans were never meant for gamers in the first place. 80 and 90 class cards are.
@@kadrix732 Let's be real here.. Titan cards weren't technically advertized as "gaming cards" but it was still the fastest card for gaming and people still bought it as such. Plus the 90 class card is really just taking the place of a Titan. I would still consider it a Titan class card as even GamerNexus said in the video
@@WizG. Yes, people still bought it. But the fact they did only further made Nvidia realize people are willing to spend large amounts of cash on it.
@@WizG. 4090 can't be called a Titan card because of two simple reasons alone:
1) It doesn't have all Titan features and drivers. LTT debunked this very well in their 3090 review.
2) 4090 is 40% better than 4080 in Gaming, whereas Titan was barely faster than the gaming flagship except for a couple of months until the "Ti" was released.
These are around 1500€ in Europe.
So for Double of the price of 3080 you get ~50% more performance (in best cases).
Not really a step forward.
More like 1800€ - 2000€ for 4080 from what i see in stores.
Two years ago on launch the 3080 was listed as 720 Euro at my retailer. These 4080's will end up around 1600 Euro. NVIDIA can shove it.
In my country 4080 minimal price is 1766$ or 1693 euro vat 25% included.
I paid around 3k for my first high end gaming PC, long time ago. These cards are cheap compared to cars or traveling. It's good to have a wide spectrum to pick from, so wealthy people or professionals can push technology forward by buying the more expensive GPUs.
@@sevdev9844 The problem is that high end cards like this used to cost 500-600$ just a few generations ago. These are not 3090s, which are the current Titans of cards.
Even taking inflation into account, that price point doesn't really work. It's not a matter of "having a wide spectrum to pick from". It's a matter of EVERY SINGLE STEP of that spectrum suddenly being 40% more expensive.
And that's not due to natural circumstances, but because the companies saw how much the prices rose up in the last few years during a massive speculative bubble due to shortage of components caused by the pandemic and the crypto mining fad and they thought "well, the prices doubled or tripled and people are STILL buying cards, maybe we can charge more too". That's a massive rise in prices due to an indirect consequence of speculation processes. It's far from a natural occurence in a free market.
@@Shendue 🤷♂️ Inflation: Shadowstats. Also, it isn't distributed equal over everything. Crypto took that money supply and ate it up, using the GPUs as tools.
Then, your whole reasoning is based on the names of these cards and what the top model is and such. Seems to be about status or to be entitled to get access to progress. It's all just in your head. These are the prices, take it or leave it.
@@sevdev9844 You know Nvidia's lost it when you're comparing their pricing to literal cars
Gee, your graphs are just beautiful. Dense with data but uncluttered. Graph animation is so simple but so helpful for data interpretation. I love the slide progress bars too. Much appreciated GN
Good video. It's nice to see someone discussing the ridiculous price of the 4080 16 gig. Too many people were too preoccupied with the 4080 12 gig being cancelled.
This is why after 8 years of a 2600K I went to Ryzen 3700x. Intel spent generation after generation with mediocre improvements and complacency. I remember thinking "ooh, maybe I will get the 7700K... nope! Oh! maybe the 8700K! Nope! 9700K? Nope! Bye intel! I got my Asus 1080 O8G shipped from Amazon to China with shipping and taxes for no more than $770 in 2016. It was my first high end card. My EVGA Gtx 260 before that was not more than $280 after tax. These mediocre gains are not matched to inflation or reality. Double the pricing for medicore gains is insane.
What u recomend i buy now? Or best to wait?
@@BlackEyedFish wait for amd release and benchmarks. Then decide.
@@BlackEyedFish or just get last gen. If you don't need 4k gaming the 6800xt or 3080 are both great options for around $600 to $700 if you are in the US. That is if you don't buy used which can go down even more
my guess would be the 7900xtx will beat the 4080 in rasterization but loses with rt and possibly 4k performance. But at some point higher than 80fps in 1440p in non competitive games are not really noticable. The new gen should only be considered if you are going 4k.
This. This is a an actual, proper, good and honest review. Thanks Steve, please keep doing what you do.
Back to you, Steve!
thanks for watching. for watching.
I just picked up an RX 6400 for 1/10th the price of this monster, and am looking forward to playing most of the games I like at 1080p 60fps, whilst drawing 1/7th the power in a tiny and almost-silent PC, and spending the money I'm saving (in initial outlay and on power bills) on booze and hookers... or something.
But how many extra frames can hookers give you?😏
Why not just buy a old xbox if you just want 1080 60fps then ?.
nobody cares about power consumption
@@const3llations_370 - If you lived in the UK you would understand - we have the highest energy charges in the entire world. Mine has more than doubled in 3 years, and it's likely to go up another 40% next year.
@@E.L.C. - Because I have a large library of PC games and because I also want a PC for tasks other than games.
Make absolutely no mistake: this is a 4070 or 4070 Ti.
The one they "unlaunched" is a 4060 Ti.
unfortunately this truth just like other stuff will fate and forgotten over time.
They are waiting to slot in that 4080Ti and upsell everyone who buys it. Not this time NVIDIA! Not me at least. Fool me once. But not twice. :)
That 4070 TI was actually the 12 gig model.
@@Dracossaint Na. That's a 4070 at best.
@@Dracossaint That is exactly what Nvidia wants you to think.
Finally! Thank you for finally being a reviewer not just saying "yay more performance!" I've felt like I was talking crazy pills with these stupid prices
Nice that you also have some older cards in the charts. That actually makes it useful for judging wether a new card is worth it
I bought my first gaming pc in 2021. My only frame of reference for pricing is post-mining. Everyone says the 4080 is a bad deal and I understand the argument when you compare MSRPs. But Ive never seen a gpu sold at MSRP before. I havent seen a 4090 for under $2k since launch. Some retailers are still selling the 3090 for $1600. The 3080ti is $900-1600 depending on variant and retailer.
I waited when I saw the 3090ti on sale for $900 because it was before the 40series launch and I thought they might drop further. Now Im worried if I dont grab a $1300 4080 at microcenter today, prices may worsen again.
Am I just an idiot? Gaming/digital art are hobbies and AMD doesnt do well with the latter, so I havent considered their new lineup.
PS5 + ipad pro is better value for those two things lol
don't worry too much about it. high end current series graphics cards are designed for enthusiasts in mind. This isn't to say it won't affect you or I, but that the quality of your gaming experience, which is the main reason why you bought the gaming pc, isn't going to be impacted for another 5 or so years when the market design games around a different spec range.
also a lot of the performances are relative under an extreme resource load. we're talking cyberpunk ultramax all raytracing enabled no fps cap, as well as graphic renders intentionally designed to be a massive load over an extended period. This rarely applies to in practice performance, games are still running fine with a 1080ti, and the industry isn't going to design their content around a small percentage of hardware access.
there will be a new set of graphics cards in a few years, and in that time you'll have a better understanding of your pc to make these kinds of calls.
Listen, the 4080 is a shit deal, for a very good card. It'll be awhile before the 4080 drops, but let ya nuts drag. send it
there is chip glut atm prices will come down
@@foolpersona_ anyone even considering a 4xxx card doesn't want a playstation
I was willing to go up to $750-800 for an upgrade, but not for a 60 or 70 class card. So I pulled the trigger on a 6800xt (new) for $520 last week. I'm confident that I got as much performance as I could reasonable get within the price range I was willing to consider. Plus, for the first time, I don't have an Nvidia.
Same! Bought a 6750XT last week, upgrading from a GTX 1060. RTX 3070-level rasterization performance for €150 less than the Nvidia card here in Europe. It's my first AMD card since the ATI HD 5870 and it's a fucking solid card for sub-500 Euros. I mostly play WoW, GTA V and MSFS2020 and the RX6750XT runs all those games at 4K with a much higher framerate than my old GTX 1060 could ever achieve at 1080p.
@@OhMyKMPR Is it a good card for Video Editing too?
@@LoveleshKalonia Depends on the editing software you want/are using. Software companies are now taking AMD videocards more serious and have gained performance. The AMD RX 7000 series cards are going to be way better than previous generation for hardware specs.
@@DeeDee.Ranged I use Premiere Pro and Photoshop basically. Also After Effects sometimes.
I am currently using RX460 2Gig 🤐 and desperately need an upgrade for 4K Editing as you can probably guess.
I have kept it for over 6 years now, I will be keeping the new card for the similiar or longer period of time.
I game occassionally and would need something powerful enough to drive my 1440 165Hz monitor.
Can you suggest me something?
@@LoveleshKalonia If you do professional work, I recommend sticking with Nvidia cards in general. With AMD, I've run into multiple issues on an RX 5700XT with Premiere, and with their not-great GPU capture/encoder.
Nvidia usually have better driver/software stability and compatibility if you are doing GPU-based rendering (video, VFX), or have workloads/plugins that might need CUDA cores. Also, certain AI-based workloads like the popular Stable Diffusion need CUDA cores to run, so if you are interested in exploring AI, or AI art in general, AMD won't provide that for you.
Right now, buying used RTX 3090's can be a good deal, which can found at around $700-$750 USD. They are particularly good for productivity because of the massive 24GB buffer, and you will NEVER have to worry about video memory issues in ANY workload or game.
The 6900/6950XT cards never looked more compelling than right after watching the 4090/4080 reviews.
Not only that, there's also the new cards coming soon. I hope AMD slaps the crap out of Nvidia's greedy little hands.
Just bought a XFX 6900XT for $650.. so yeah
I have a Sapphire one and its a good card.
The only flaws are: worse thermals than these new Nvidias and ray tracing ( i dont care about ray tracing)
So true on the CPU comparison, I went from an 8700k to a 12700kf more P cores then having E cores making it miles ahead in performance and the 12th gen chip cost me $30 LESS than the 8th gen.
Alder Lake is good value, as was zen 3. Zen 4 while not phenomenal is great compared to this... 😅
im going to go from 9th to 13th, so basically 6 cores to 14 cores
True, with one caveat - CPUs have such huge margins that it's much easier to do such achievements compared to the GPU market.
That doesn't change the fact that this 4080 is absolutely horribly priced.
Thanks for being truthful and giving us all the real and raw information about this card, where other channels don’t seem to care that it’s insanely overpriced. Definitely taking your reviews and information to heart. Keep up the good work!
I bought a 3080 for 730€, when I would have paid 1600€ for the 4080. I think I made a good deal. I did my calculations before the reviews and made a good estimation of its power and efficiency. It's a great card, but I simply am not comfortable to spend that much money on a GPU in this economy.
And I got rtx 3080ti for 815 €
@@netsoldier363 that's very good. I paid a little more than the best deals because I wanted a founders edition, it looks so good ahah
That 4080 should have launched at $799. Now THAT would have been something.
Hardware Unboxed near the end of their review did cost/frame analysis at msrp and at $900 and it actually made sense at $900. I agree somewhere in the $800-900 range would have made this review's tone completely different.
Even at $1000 it would've been expensive but acceptable. At $1200 it's worse value than the 4090 which is just a joke.
Ppl that just baught a 3080ti a year ago would feel robbed
I bought a 3080 for $800. I might have considered 4080 for $800-900.
@@djorgen yea that go for about 1000 second hand in Australia
I like how almost every NVIDIA card in the comparison charts is an EVGA card.
Evga is just that good, also probably the most popular brand in NA for Aibs
thanks for watching. for watching.
I'm guessing EVGA was generous with sending out reviewer cards.
@@behindthen0thing dolboeb
@@khaledm.1476 buuuuut their cards were the only ones getting killed by the New World server queue uncapped framerate disaster.
I miss the days when you could expect low end at $150, mid range at $300, high end at $500, and ultra high end at $700.
Now I have to cover my eyes before the price of new cards is revealed.
Almost everything under $500 is previous gen/used market. No reason to build cards there when we have 10million mining cards flooding the used market.
The problem is, no one trule made high end cards back and "high end cards" had normal performance, because normal performance was enough for games.
There were exceptions E.g. AMD tried making a few monster cards back in the day, and those cost up to $1500 way back then (now add inflation to that). Nvidia made one or two of these too. This died out becuase it was overkill, they cost a fortune and the powerconsumption/efficiency was ludicrous (kinda like the practicality of a Bugatti is ludicrous).
Then both AMD went back to the old undistorted lineup. But Nvidia kept making ludicrous cards (though slightly dailed back...to seem more sensible).
Soon, AMD's high end cards were wrongly being called "mid-range cards"
To get back to how things were, the ludicrous cards have to be rwmoved from the lineup. The 4080 and 4090 needs to be not manufactured.
The 4070 should be renamed the 4080 and made the flagship. And then they need to stop indreasing die sizes or moving closed to cutting edge nodes...they need to go back to using the current older cheaper nodes, like they used to (cutting edge nodes are expensive).
And they need to simplify design and cooling again, to something cheap looking like it used to be.
And cheap VRAM.
...then you will get your wish and things will be as they were again.
did u forget inflation brought wages, cost of living and overall prices up
Considering the unreasonable prices I'll stick with my 5700XT that I wanted to replace for a while longer.
It's not like games devs can make use of the power of a 4080 or 4090 in their game because the vast majority of gamers won't have one. These new GPUs are halo products, and will be bought by hundred times less people than the $200 class of cards which right now is comprised of only old hardware.
I got a good deal on the ridiculous XFX thiccc 3 ultra 5700XT ahead of the worst of the crisis and it's treated me really well. The vast majority of games I play are still CPU bound.
Not sure what exact model, but the absolute highest spec of that weird multi-generation partner card stack.
I'll hang onto my 1050ti till it fossilises.
Just get a 3080, can't beat that for price/performance. It'll hold you for 3+ years
@@demonwares I assume the new generation is so overpriced because Nvidia wants to get rid of its stock of 30xx GPUs, but considering that those still are sold for more than the launch MSRP even though they are two years old I I'd have to be insane to go for that.
I really like how you phrased buying a card of the previous generation if it can do what you want, starting at ~ 24:30 . Additionally this price/perf stagnation won't end until people start doing just that.
thanks for watching. for watching.
@Vantrakter Fully agree!
Oh believe you me, there's literally millions of gpu consumers who are sitting here just waiting. I still have my 5700xt and have yet to see any reason to upgrade. It's been nice, extra cash in my pocket. At some point competition will come along and an actual improvement will be available. Then I'll buy.
I really can't wait to see the xtx reviews. If they can get 3080 RT performance I may go full red rig for the first time since the phenom II days...
@@Alexandra-ek7kh The XTX will match the 3090TI in RT, not the 4080. The 4080 will unfortunately be ahead.
Do not expect good RT performance, I can tell you this much even before the launch. But otherwise, solid card. Still overpriced like hell though, it should be at least $150 cheaper. THe 4080 costing 2x what it should does not excuse the 7900xt(x) costing 1.5x what it should.
This is great, would also love if you compared the thermals against previous gen too, since some of us are also looking for improved thermals, on top of performance, power consumption and price.
GN: a 1-1 performance is stagnation
nvidia: a 1-1 is the golden ratio we shoot for 🙂
@Nobody it’s actually slightly worse than the “1:1 stagnation” lol
@Nobody you are forgetting at this rate the 4090 has better price to performance making the 4080 look stupid af with its price
Not to mention even 7900xt will probably beat it at 200USD less
@Nobody TBF, $700 two years ago is equal to a little over $800 when adjusted for inflation, so it’s about 49% more adjusted for inflation. Of course, that is not an excuse for Nvidia’s BS.
Edit: Steve literally addressed this in the video, I just hadn’t watched to that point yet.
@Nobody It was 1-1 in a few charts. It's better in some, like RT, favoring Nvidia. It's worse in some rasterization, contributing to our complaints. 1-to-1 is just a rough statement of the average. We didn't caveat it every time.
@@GamersNexus PS: you still don't test WQHD
Totally agree with the "it don't always has to be the latest and greatest" mantra. Just bought a used 3080 TI from a dude that bought a 4090 on day one. Pretty happy with it! :-) After the mess with the availability of the 30 series, I was certain I would skip that generation and get a shiny 40 something... But the prices are so ridiulous. 4090 start at around 2400€ here in Germany. It's insane!
Nice i did the same thing buddy got the 4090 day one. I bought his couple month old evga 3080ti ftw. Tbh its just in the closet I havnt installed it yet either ahah but its literally brand new. Buddies number 1 in Canada on benchmarks, takes care of his stuff better than anyone I know.
Already we see 4080s on ebay for $1600 US and up. I just ordered a brand new 6800XT for under $540. Playing my favorite game, FFXIV, at 4k, the 6800XT will provide half the performance of the 4090 for 1/5 of its current retail price and 2/3 the performance of the 4080 for 1/3 the scalper price. And it'll be a 33% improvement over my 2080Ti. Buying a brand new graphics card that's one generation in arrears provides value out the wazoo, at least for this release.
In a similar situation here. Bought a 1080Ti back in the day, skipped the 2000 series because it was a joke, skipped 3000 because of availability and now it feels like Nvidia's fking kidding me. Hope AMD's cards teach them a few lessons in humbleness this time around.
Yeah, all the American reviewers talking about the insane pricing, but indeed in the EU pricing is way higher. I'll stick with my 3080 for now, which I bought for 799 Euro. Hopefully the 5080 will be priced better
@@hardwatermaniac Lol, you have any idea how you get to "number 1" in benchmarking? Not by "taking care of your stuff", you noob
I was going to say "Nvidia has lost its mind" but then I realized that was the title of this video. Really nailed it with this one
yea they lost their minds, I mean how dare they sell a product that's 30% better by increasing the price by 30%????
In the past they did 10% performance increases and called for 200-500$ more. They really lost their minds. Or you guys are fucking stupid. The few exceptions were when they released titans and then 80ti which was usually cheaper but same or even better performance like 1080ti. So I feel you people are stupid or pretend the past GPUs never existed.
They didn't lose their minds, they just know they have brainless fanboys that will buy this.
I dont think the title means “mind”. I was thinking something along the line of shame and dignity
Nvidia still needs to sell their stock of 30xx cards so why introduce new generation that will beat it in price/performance?
@@veduci22 like they did in every past generations, drop the price of old gen
It's around $2,600 for a 4090 and about $1,600 4080 cash December 2024 and about $550-$599 for a 4070 and 4070ti for about $799(both at 192bit bus).
A 1 to 1 money vs performance increase is what you'd expect in a completely controlled market,
like in a monopoly or an "agreeable" oligopoly situation, for example.
Thanks for your videos!
The question remains, why AMD doesn't try to compete through pricing anymore ... maybe the FTC is too focussed on enterprises like Meta and Apple ..
@@elmariachi5133 But, they do... I mean it was crystal clear from the video that the 6950 beats the 4080 on price/performance. Steve made that blatantly clear.
And yes, the 7900xt(x) isn't released yet, but even if it slightly underperforms what everyone expects, it's still going to beat the 4080 on price/performance for rasterization. To be fair we'll have to see on RT.
@@elmariachi5133 Does Facebook or Apple not deserve attention from FTC?
Just remember what graphicscard prices were at 12 months ago. Did the skalpers took the price difference or Nvidia/AMD? It makes perfect economical sense to put the price tag high this time and reduce them later if the demand diminish. Day one buyers mostly pay any price anyway and the factual prices will depend on the demand. If the Bitcoin goes up again, even unlikely, the prices might even increase or stay the same and if not and the demand is too low, selling cards below retail prices coming.
@@sammiller6631 Did I say so? (As you seem to have trouble with interpreting language: This was a rhetorical question, just like your's because I obviously did NOT!) But mine neither is suggestive, nor does it result from intentional misinterpretation.
I can see the 7900xt and xtx truly making this card DOA.
If the performance is anything close to what they are saying it is it will for sure. $200 cheaper base price and 8gb more memory just for starters... and no proprietary power plug.
@@mannyvicev the 6900xt is better than the 3080ti lmao
@@drewg8334 Cant say 6900x is better
more like a equal
Dx12 and vulkan are yes while in Dx11 and Ray are Nah
And fsr 2.1 still has not many game support
@@trashlikeu36 you're missing the point friend, even if that was the case, how would the 7900xtx be on par with a 3080ti when the 6900xt is the same or better?
@@drewg8334 You didn't talk about the 7900. You stated something about the 6900 vs 3080ti. He responded. He was correct. Now, you're now moving the goalposts.
I forgot to say thank you to GN, and all the reviewers for standing up and saying "This is pricing stupid!". I hope it makes a difference.
Got a 4080 and it’s great
As long as there are enough people who will buy this, even if it means digging deep, the upward price movement will never stop. I think companies really woke up to this mentality in recent years - make your customers dig deep and PAY, and if they can't pay, compell them until they do, and if they still can't pay, someone else in some under-tapped market sure can.
I think about how much money Diablo Immortal has made and that these new Nvidia GPUs will sell out and fear for the future.
Everything will sell out if u artificially limit supply to achieve that
It'll sell out in 2 minutes tomorrow and stay selling out for a long time.
Pretty much why I quit gaming. Game companies adopted this strategy 10 years ago.
@@xInsane333x It just means people complaining are just a small vocal minority.
Considering 4090s are still selling for $2000+ everywhere online maybe these will only cost $1600 like the 4090 was supposed to
Highly probable
blame the rich kids that buy scalper prices
Just get a 7900XTX. I can't see it doing much worse than a 4090 if at all. Could buy a new system for the difference in price
Ive yet to actually see a 4090 for sale on an online retailer that was not a marked up unit sold by a marketplace seller. Has there even been a restock since launch?
Holy s, they're still scalping cards even without crypto?
Looking forward to what AMD can offer around the $5-600 mark. I've always loved my Nvidia cards, I'm running a 3080 currently, but they're doing is simply anti consumer.
If I had to guess the 7700 XT will be $600 and the 7700 will be $500 7700 XT if rumors are true is 10% faster than the 6950 XT and the 7700 will probably be on par with a 6950 XT, but for $500.
just dont be a consumer and be a producer instead.
If Intel can offer a 16GB VRAM card for $350 (even if it's partly because the card is weaker in DX9-11), then I hope their RX 7700XT can offer it too. I'm expecting it to cost ~$550, given that all GPUs seem to be getting a rather unwelcome price bump across the board.
I got a 3080ti for $600, kinda sucks my only option for upgrading (something worth it, not like 5 to 10 FPS ) is going to be at least $900, plus when I had a 5700 XT I got stuttering all over the place and the game is crashing all the time, in another life the 4090 would be $700 lmao
Keep your 3080. No need to upgrade so quickly.
So much truth, thanks GN!
When the majority (90+%) of gamers play on 1080 with most who have 75hz monitors, not many need anything more than a 1660 right now. I just managed a 6800xt for $400 brand new, but I was still on a 970 myself.
Love the videos, thanks!
Are you me? I just replaced a 970 with a 6750xt. :)
It should be a bit of a performance boost.
We plays on a 75hz monitor? 😂
@@lordmoos3 real close!
@@samysdefer we play*
And yes, the majority of gamers can't afford more than enough to manage above 60fps at 1080 due to the cost of GPUs and other hardware.
Not sure where it's funny, unless you've some data to otherwise refute my statement, you just look foolish ;)
Sounds like a bottleneck on the Users. Why stop innovating because people are slow to better displays? Thats one the of the best upgrades you can get.
Still rocking my 1080ti to this day, but im moving on to the 7900xtx. The bang for my buck intrigue is too strong to not go with AMD this time around. Either its gonna do well or its just gonna push me personally to pay the nvidia premium, i just wish more people were willing to make the jump to hopefully check nvidia on their prices!
1080ti is still a beast if you don't need the ray tracing. Card runs great in my Alienware Aurora R7, always stays around 80C when I'm gaming at 144hz on 1080p.
thanks for watching. for watching.
I think you will be pleasantly surprises as an Nvidia high end buyer generationaly(including 3090) and a 6900XT. I love my 6900XT!
Yeah, I'm more than happy with 6800 XT that I bought a month ago
6800XT chews up anything at 1440p, as long as you don’t turn meme tracing on.
Got the RX6800 second hand a couple months ago and I'm very pleased
Agreed. Just bought a 3060 Ti (from a small RX 580) and it works perfectly fine on every game i have. No need for these overpriced wastes of material that is the 4000 series.
In a similar spot, have a 6900XT I put on water. More or less is equal to a 3090 with the monster overclock on it. Hopefully will go the 7900 XTX route here soon, but we must wait and see. And hope for the best, competition makes everything better for us consumers.
@@edmac1090 Meme tracing !? How dare you ! Raytracing is the future of the industry, EVERYONE cares about it !
Performance per dollar really needs pushed back into consumer's faces. Too many people get caught up on marginal increases in performance to see if they really are getting a measured improvement over their current system, or if they simply are willing to put more money into their hobby now. Bought my 3070 for $480 when the prices really dipped late summer around here (local store). I absolutely knew there would be no point waiting for this gen with the way the prices would launch. Probably would have ended up paying 3 times the cost of the 3070 for a 4080... 3 times the performance? NOT
It looks like the RX 6900XT & 6950XT still have some very impressive performance to them. I think I'm still going to stick to my main goal of getting one of those over the RX 7900XTX. I'll wait on that and see how well it's doing once it's been out for a few months. I've even looked at the RX 6800XT as an alternative but there's still versions of that going for the same price as some 6900XT's. Getting a 6900/6950XT will finally give me a reason to invest in a 4K monitor.
As far as cpu's go I was originally going for a 5800X3D but they kept selling out before I could buy one. So I just said F'it and bought a 5900X for the same price. It's not as fast in games but now I have more compute and processing ability for future tasks I might want to give a try. I wouldn't mind giving some 3D printing a try in the future. :)
No stick it out for the RX 7000 series! They announced recently (I think especially at time of your post) that they were going to release the best of their new cards for the same damn price as previous 6900 XT tier
Don’t cheat yourself out of performance by moving too quick! If it’s the same or a hundred extra (doubt they’ll do any sales for the old cards that will be a decent saving) wait, save, and go for the bigger one!
@@Norinia Seeing as all of the better priced 6950XT's are all sold out currently it's looking like I'm going to have to wait anyway. All that is left are the units being sold by price gouging third markets and I'm not giving them anything. I still need to put in a better power supply before I can even run any big cards. As much as I want a new graphics card a psu and Xmas are more important right now. :)
i would love to see GN do some VR tests with all these cards.
thanks for watching. for watching.
VR tests are kinda hard to do. Not all, but a lot of VR games now employ automatic resolution scaling to avoid low fps motion sickness. Rather than testing FPS you'd want an AI to do pixel counting to determine how often the game lowers the resolution. Not an easy or fun thing to test.
VR runs buttery smooth on midrange cards from last gen, testing it with the new high end would be a waste of resources.
Nvidia is so in love with their premium status, that they are becoming the apple of GPU's!
Unfortunately, the GPU market doesn't have nearly as adequate competition as the mobile phone market. (This notion is not meant as a dig at AMD.)
Except what you get with an iPhone is arguably a lot more in terms of value.
Also, they don’t sell as much GPU as Apple is selling iPhone..
@@Maxime-ho9iv If you are only gaming yeah. But if you do more with your GPU (ML, Rendering etc) sadly Nvidia's cards value is a lot higher than AMD's. They aren't even in the same league. Everything is made for Nvidia in every compute task.
Except APPLE's product has way better value. GPU is in the main processor(more powerful less energy usage) and you get a new OS X version. Not well optimized for OPENGL or DIRECTX as we know... What is NVIDIA giving their customers? Its the same ole same ole. I do not see anything new with NVIDIA. On the other hand - I'm still using my old macbook from 10 years ago. I still can use my PS3 and PS4. But that old $600 dollar NVIDIA GPU from 10 years ago... its collecting dust.
Except that Apple is making somewhat competitive phones and laptops and not going insane with pricing. Nvidia is doing worse here.
I bought a 3080 today to replace my rx 480. You're right on choosing for my needs instead of buying the latest if it's double the price.
While as a gamer, I'm happy there are new GPU's to help progress the quality and enjoyment of games...I hope that Nvidia(and by extension partners) find themselves with a lot of extra stock sitting on shelves. With the direction of the world economy, I think this might be very likely after the initial release surge.
All these prices are doing is keep people from playing games. Only the rich can afford this crap. Good thing consoles exist.
@@ChrisGrump - Same issue with consoles. They are cheaper than the cheapest PC for sure - but their only “available” in “rich”nations and the prices in “Over Exploited” nations are 2x-3x MSRP
@@ChrisGrump way out of pocket here. Consoles should never be equitable to PC
@@ChrisGrump Na they're not keeping us from playing games they're keeping us from the newest shiniest toys but we can play games just fine. I got a new 6800XT Red Devil for $400 not too long ago via a rare opportunity and it does 1440p utra 144fps just fine in blockbuster games except cyberpenis. Don't need any of the new or overpriced junk.
I built a rig my for cousin 2 weeks ago using a 6650XT Merc. Costed $329. He plays at 1080p ultra well over 144fps, and emulates a bunch of stuff like Switch, WiiU, PS3 etc with no issues. I've even seen some in the $200 bracket today. We have cards now, it's just up to you whether or not you want to buy it or keep letting companies like Nvidia jerk you around like a donkey chasing a carrot.
Can't wait to see this card on ebay in 2-3 years for actually sane prices. Nvidia will justify the price by saying "Well, we could sell it as a Quadro and make 8 times as much money. But we are being generous by letting you have it for only $1200."
thanks for watching. for watching.
With gaming developers seemingly stuck making remakes, the crypto market crashed, and month 6/7 of a recession. I have no idea who these cards are for.
People with a lot of disposable income or people who do nothing but game and work. Idk about anyone else but my grocery prices have gone up $200 a month extra for the same amount I was getting a year ago. I can’t afford to even save let alone spend money on this stuff at that price
3d work? lol i need 24gb
Companies using gpus for workflows
Lol
Edit: Oh, almost forgot FSR 2.1 just dropped lol
Entire world is trying to become influencers. All those people needs pcs to edit / retouch etc.
My last 4 cards were all nvidia cards, with the high prices, I was convinced by a friend to get a amd card and I am loving it, I edit on a rx 6600xt (which is not a new card)and game on it too with no problems, I don’t even miss cuda my renders on davinci resolve are fast and very good, for now I am team red👍🏾
Do not be loyal to any company as a mere consumer. This Team Green and Red BS done by grown adults is very cringey to me. This is why the market is what it is right now in the first place. AMD needs to do better to compete against Nvidia's encoders, CUDA, Optix, and ray-tracing for far more high-end creative professionals to make meaningful switches to their cards. AMD can do it but they made those cards exclusive to Apple's Mac Pro.
I got RX570 8G and Ryzen davinci resolve is wicked fast on 4K Videos also i 1080p games i run them maxed out no issues this my first all AMD Computer i never going back
@@lilkwarrior5561 you're right. Shilling or rooting any company isn't good thing tbh. And to me, the smart-ass thing is the most cringe. Especially everytime people said they sastified with amd card for whatsoever reasons. Some guy will come up and told not to be loyal to any company ectt,.. As if that guy never bought overpriced card. It's very cringe to tell AMD user to be money-wise or be a wise-customer since i can say AMD stuff is always cheaper when compared to Nvidia in same segment. I have been using Nvidia card since i buy my first gig back in 2012. I skipped 2000s series and after 3000s series bs then this generation nuclear reation card. I'm pretty sure that i will go for amd card for my next gig.
@@namanhlehoang9999 There’s more to a card’s value than initial sticker price-this is especially true to a wide variety of the GPU market that includes people who gets the same cards for productivity and to save time such as creative and AI professionals.
Bar of performance reached towards satisfactions (hedons) is a factor especially true for 4K+ gamers and those that want GPUs optimized for current-gen-console exclusives and what game devs want to use more that Nvidia tends to lead, massively commercializes (innovates), or supports the most towards being able to justify their higher prices that enough of the market is willing to pay-before and after cryptocrashes
@@lilkwarrior5561 you’re right. No doubt about it. But taking into account on how many RTX or RX counterpart segment buyer is actually looking High-End and Productivity. How many can afford 1500$ at least to get top-notch at performance or training AI, 3D modeling, CAD. And that is only the GPU, not counting the case, psu, cpu since it can be bottlenecked, and the electricity bill. On the other side, Amd or intel cpu can last you several generations. Then the scenario will be, if you don’t care about overpriced then pay for performance which is low diminishing return. If you’re into proficiency, performance per watts then go for the bang for buck stuffs.
Since gpu is still at development state which means after each generation there will be a lot of thing to be done by gpu. But because of that, if i pay for top-notch Nvidia GPU, is it sure that will last me for several generations or i’m will keep paying each generations? Ain’t nobody know whether Nvidia hold their technology for each generation to milk buyer each generation or not? So to me, I don’t care about how good, or how innovative these card, either Nvidia or AMD. I buy based on my demands, my needs. I’m not into tripple a games, so DLSS or fake frame generates is meaningless for me. I mostly play old rpg game like Oblivion and Skyrim with a lot of mods, my job is data analyst and I’m pretty sure Nvidia price this generation based on Machine Learning potential. So my next gpu for my new gig will be AMD. And the funniest part is though I skipped 3000s series. I still got a 3080ti 12gb from a guy who is scalpers for 975 bucks back in July because i heard many people say Amd card can’t run Blender well. With that i can say i stay neutral toward both NVIDIA and AMD, not rooting or boyscotting any of these two company. I pay less for more, and not into pay more for less.
Just clicked and I already know this is gonna be great
get the popcorn
Classic banger
I managed to grab a 3080 fe at the end of March, right before availability picked up. Once it did I started to question my purchase slightly. Ever since the 40 series launch, I feel better about my purchase each day.
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Just got my XFX 6900XT Swft 319 in today, $650. Beast of a card, coming from a 1080. I'm set.
Will be keeping my 3080ti that I got for $650 new, crushes it in every game I use and even kills it in cyberpunk 2077 with Raytracing at 1440p. If RTX 4080 comes down to $800ish then I’d consider but will skip this generation likely
Great review. I love it when reviewers aren't scared to say it how it is.
It's amazing that they can completely "unlaunch" a product about a month before launch... But their prices were clearly locked in during the Cypto boom boom and they never managed to update them.
The 6950 looks real nice south of $800 and 7800/7900 looks even more appealing.
Pretty disappointing results for a card that cost this much... It makes 4090 looks like a good deal. 😂
No it isn’t. It’s priced this way to force people to buy a 30series card or get the 4090. The performance is where it needs to be unlike the 3080 vs 3090 that made the 3090 look like a joke at the price point. Nvidia learned their lesson with that. Edit: this guy edited his original comment by adding the last part once we told him why it’s priced like this.
I think that’s the point - Nvidia WANT people to look at this and see poor value thus pushing them in to a 4090 which makes them the most money.
Because thats their plan and what this scum greedy company want. I pity all this ngreedia fanboy, I go amd this time, the gtx1080 mark the end with ngreedia.
No, it makes both of them look like a bad deal.
Thats the point.
They use the 4080 as a price anchor to either jump directly to 4090 or buy their stocks of 3090.