NVIDIA’s Lost It: RTX 4080 16GB GPU Review & Benchmarks

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  • Опубліковано 6 вер 2024

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  • @GamersNexus
    @GamersNexus  Рік тому +1230

    Just purged a bunch of scammer/spam comments. Remember not to fall for those!
    We just revisited Ryzen 2600 & 2700 CPUs in 2022! See how they do today over here: ua-cam.com/video/VcnfsEjckqY/v-deo.html
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    • @girishshyamsundargolatkar2690
      @girishshyamsundargolatkar2690 Рік тому +1

      I don't believe you guys are TRUE tech journalists....!! If you were you would STOP reviewing these BS products in the first place. This would truly send a clear message to companies like NGREEDIA that it's time they either come down to EARTH or just build a flying saucer and move to another galaxy where beings can afford their products!!

    • @Kendog
      @Kendog Рік тому +4

      the 2600 is a good 6 core cpu back in the day

    • @TheNerd
      @TheNerd Рік тому +7

      Thats all nice but: AMD does NOT have DLSS. They do not have CUDA, They do not have Optix, They do not have: a proper Hardware Ray Tracing Solution, They do not have: Hardware for Real Time Motion Blur Calculation, they do not have a proper Video ENcoder, ... [...,...,...,...,...] I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on...
      AMD DOES NOT HAVE. And THAT is the reason they will NEVER be at the top spot. They failed in the last 30 years and will in the next 30.

    • @PrefoX
      @PrefoX Рік тому

      your CPU comparison is not great tho, they sell a product which costs 50$ in production for 700$, so there is way more headroom.

    • @zkilla4611
      @zkilla4611 Рік тому +36

      @@TheNerd Did you not pay attention to the presentation? AMD does have a proper Video Encoder now. RT is overrated. FSR3 looks good. Not that I would use it or DLSS. Why is everyone so impressed with fake frames? I don't even own an AMD card. But I can see the fanboy coming out. "Testing Shows AMD's AMF Encoder Finally on Par With Nvidia NVENC" Intels AV1 encoder is better than both. CUDA...🙄

  • @JVlapleSlain
    @JVlapleSlain Рік тому +676

    Blizzard ~2018: Do you guys not have phones?
    NVIDIA ~2021-: Do you guys not have money?

    • @willwunsche6940
      @willwunsche6940 Рік тому +25

      We don't have enough money billions and profit percentage : Nvidia 2022-2023

    • @tobiwonkanogy2975
      @tobiwonkanogy2975 Рік тому +26

      @@willwunsche6940 just had their best years ever in profits but oh no lets go higher every year.

    • @totalprocall6894
      @totalprocall6894 Рік тому +1

      Silicon Valley(on social media) ~The last god knows how many years: Do you guys not care about the enviroment?

    • @wf6951
      @wf6951 Рік тому +3

      WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE NO MONIES?!

    • @cmdrfunk
      @cmdrfunk Рік тому +12

      Government ~2022: We'll just print more and have the plebs pat us on the back for it.

  • @christian50111
    @christian50111 Рік тому +938

    My favourite thing about GN is that they are all for value proposition, they don't fall into the hype train with new products. If the value isn't there, it doesn't matter how good it performs they will say you better buy the old product instead even if the "cool" thing to do would be buying the new shiny thing. Thanks Steve and the entire team for the focus and reason you bring into PC consumers.

    • @stevenross-watt8640
      @stevenross-watt8640 Рік тому +45

      If you look at the data Steam collects on their survey you see that most people game on mid to low end stuff. Seve is very aware of that. 👍

    • @darkmanure
      @darkmanure Рік тому +35

      Steve and the GN team mostly always speaks for the consumer, which I love. He also speaks reason to the consumers. If you don't need to upgrade, don't. If it makes you happy to upgrade, do it. That's what he usually say.

    • @HydroKyl240COG
      @HydroKyl240COG Рік тому +18

      The costs for these is just absolutely outrageous. If AMD gives me a more compelling offer, you can bet your ass I’m jumping the Nvidia ship.

    • @Mr.Genesis
      @Mr.Genesis Рік тому +14

      @@HydroKyl240COG Happy 5700XT user for 2.5 years.. 1440p 60fps High settings on Cyberpunk.. Raytracing is in like 2% of games atm so its literally not worth buying a card for RT only

    • @chickenpasta7359
      @chickenpasta7359 Рік тому +15

      Its cause most people don't need or want to spend more than $450-500 max on a GPU. I remember when proper high end cards were 500 back a few years ago like the 1080. Now the mid high level stuff is like 500 starting. I'm fortunate enough to be in a position where I can spend $600 on a card but I still think it's not good.

  • @twiggsherman3641
    @twiggsherman3641 Рік тому +5516

    Hopefully this is the generation where Jensen gets humbled just a little and comes back to reality with the pricing. AMD better not mess this up. Give us outstanding value, claim your market share like you did against Intel with Ryzen, and lets see if Jensen can bake up some humble pie in his kitchen.

    • @David-nd4to
      @David-nd4to Рік тому +200

      Need another gtx 280 scenario where they HAVE to drop the price to be competitive

    • @operatorpsyduck2035
      @operatorpsyduck2035 Рік тому +604

      unfortunately a lot of people who buys nvidia will always stick to it because "amd drivers bad"

    • @enricopravato6677
      @enricopravato6677 Рік тому +171

      @@operatorpsyduck2035 that and I fear amd is still decently behind in ray tracing unfortunately

    • @twiggsherman3641
      @twiggsherman3641 Рік тому +339

      @@operatorpsyduck2035 I was one of those people, but multiple reviewers I trust have now talked about how they haven't had any AMD driver issues in at least a generation, so if the value is there, I'm willing to let them replace my 1070 Ti.

    • @TwelveLetter956
      @TwelveLetter956 Рік тому +91

      @@operatorpsyduck2035 have you heard of CUDA exclusivity

  • @arikm8430
    @arikm8430 Рік тому +334

    Thanks for including benchmarks of the 1070 and other older GPUs! It really helped me make a decision on what GPU upgrade is best for me. I decided to go with a 6700XT since the price/performance ratio fits my budget best. I paid $350 for my 1070 back in the day and I paid $350 for the 6700XT! I consider that a good upgrade.

    • @nickhirsbrunner4694
      @nickhirsbrunner4694 Рік тому +8

      lol I went from a 1070 TI to a 6700 XT

    • @thabo5799
      @thabo5799 Рік тому +5

      Yep, similar shoes. I went for the 6950xt since I also do video editing. Was thinking of waiting for 7000 series but I'd have to pay at minimum £400 more. Im happy with the performance I have for both gaming and editing for another couple of years.

    • @Janfey
      @Janfey Рік тому +4

      Went from 1060 to 3060ti both were around 400€ when new

    • @jneo8808
      @jneo8808 Рік тому +1

      Smart mofo lol, I couln't buy a GPU last year so I just bought the Alienware M15 R4 with 3070 in it anyways. Mofos are out there scalping laptops too btw guys.

    • @arikm8430
      @arikm8430 Рік тому +3

      @@thabo5799 I thought about going for the $700 6900XT sale on Asus's website since I do work with blender and Autodesk Inventor, but that's $300 more than what I budgeted for. So I waited it out until the 6700XT went on sale.

  • @Hypershell
    @Hypershell Рік тому +912

    They did this completely on purpose. They overproduced the 30 series, and you would THINK excess supply would mean lower prices, but it turns out that "lower" is a relative term, so they just jacked up 40 series pricing as an extension of the 30 series rather than a replacement (and you could tell this by the fact that 30 series was still listed in their product stack for the 40 series reveal images; you didn't see the 20 series stack in the 30 series reveal).
    AMD could really slam Nvidia if they want to. So we'll see just how much they want to.

    • @supernero12
      @supernero12 Рік тому +91

      Yeah this is the elephant in the room. It seems entirely obvious they just want consumers to purchase their older 30 series instead of the new 40

    • @Niosus
      @Niosus Рік тому +78

      @@supernero12 The hack they don't want you to know about: You can buy used. There are so many used 30 series card available now, it really makes a lot of sense to get one that way. Honestly at this point I'd rather get one cheap of a miner, than reward Nvidia for their greed.

    • @Hypershell
      @Hypershell Рік тому +7

      @@Niosus Agreed. That's exactly what I did in June, prices weren't quite as low then, but it was a better time for me in terms of available time to game, so no regrets.

    • @robertp457
      @robertp457 Рік тому +21

      AMD wants to make money, too, and for whatever reason the market won't support AMD cards at NVIDIA prices.

    • @evers6214
      @evers6214 Рік тому +3

      Also 30 series is still selling good and nvidia is getting those old chips dirt cheap from Samsung. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are actively manufacturering more 30 series because profits are so good.

  • @nipa5961
    @nipa5961 Рік тому +92

    50% more performance for a 70% higher price.
    More than double the price in Europe actually.
    Exciting...

    • @RamsesTheFourth
      @RamsesTheFourth Рік тому +4

      @Defective Degenerate Dont worry, these kinda features will come soon.

  • @eduardo1903
    @eduardo1903 Рік тому +276

    Thank you for focusing on the pricing so much, unlike many other reviews I watched. Doesn't matter how much performance we get, this much of a price increase is nuts.

    • @wf6951
      @wf6951 Рік тому +10

      In 2012 a GTX 580 was 499.99. Let that sing loudly in your head.

    • @luciascarlet
      @luciascarlet Рік тому +7

      ​@@wf6951 not just that, but that was back then "80" meant you were getting the full uncut biggest die NVIDIA made with no cores disabled...

  • @Lycosa
    @Lycosa Рік тому +75

    Yep... Positive feelings towards both the GTX 1080 and 1080 ti. Such great cards. Still kicking ass.

    • @MikeAndersson
      @MikeAndersson Рік тому +1

      yeah no.. if you play oldschool games, but they would get slaughtered by my 4k screen.

    • @laszlodajka5946
      @laszlodajka5946 Рік тому +9

      @@MikeAndersson it holds up pretty well. can run things on 1440p on nice graphicws with decent fps.

    • @god8348
      @god8348 Рік тому +3

      @@MikeAndersson Yeah, most people that play competitive games play on 1080p so they can get 300+ fps and low latency. So I would say that the 1080ti is still perfectly fine for 90% of gamers, and I have a 3080ti so I’m not coping

    • @MikeAndersson
      @MikeAndersson Рік тому

      @@god8348 And who fooled you with that lie.. most who plays comp? You do know your talking about the tip of the 10-15%.. Most plays on toasters or have work and spend money on the riggs.. very few plays competitive 10% of the top 12 hours a day.
      Thats words from someone whos very young or maybe study XD

    • @god8348
      @god8348 Рік тому +5

      @@MikeAndersson That was a sad read, but I think considering most of the top games with high players are live service, competitive games, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. I guess nobody plays CSGO, Fortnite, Valorant, Rainbow six siege, rocket league, League of legends, Overwatch, WOW, Cod, Dota, despite having by far the largest active player counts at any concurrent time.
      You are so right, how could I not possibly realize this, nobody plays the most popular genre of games

  • @___DRIP___
    @___DRIP___ Рік тому +469

    I’m never surprised at Steve and the GN team’s honesty and integrity. People don’t realise that UA-camrs aren’t “just” UA-camrs. They’re helping to keep these corporations honest. They’re advocates for us as consumers. I really appreciate the GN team.

    • @knghtbrd
      @knghtbrd Рік тому +31

      In before Linus is totally okay with the pricing on this …

    • @maxdamage4919
      @maxdamage4919 Рік тому +21

      Sorry , most UA-camrs are paid by companies .

    • @TheAlphaWolf77
      @TheAlphaWolf77 Рік тому +1

      Yeah, consumer journalism.

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo Рік тому +2

      Unless you're linus...

    • @soulawaken24
      @soulawaken24 Рік тому +5

      @@knghtbrd yep. they did mention some things abt price-performance, but i felt that their piece tried to paint a picture that 4080 is not as bad as we think. Which is bullshit. Why would u get a 4080 when u could get a 7900xtx for 200 dollar cheaper MSRP. 🤨

  • @MinscS2
    @MinscS2 Рік тому +490

    The main point of the RTX 4080 is to make the RTX 4090 look better by comparison.

    • @Kley96
      @Kley96 Рік тому +111

      The problem is that the 4080 isn't even doing that with that insane pricing. The 4090 isn't going under 2000€ here in Germany. The 4080 is like around 1400-1700€. No one with a clear mind should buy these cards for gaming. AMD is offering better options.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Рік тому +171

      Classic upsell!

    • @ravenwda007
      @ravenwda007 Рік тому +3

      @@Kley96 it’s new. People buy new things

    • @ichdiemichdie4946
      @ichdiemichdie4946 Рік тому +14

      @@Kley96 thats why im hoping that 7900xtx is at least on the level of the 4080. Since im running a 2070s atm, even 30 series raytracing (basically 7000 rdna3) is an upgrade

    • @tothepoint551
      @tothepoint551 Рік тому +8

      it's like popcorn in the cinema, there is almost no difference in price between medium and large, but the large is 50% more

  • @The_W_
    @The_W_ Рік тому +270

    You should add a $/frame graph for each card, compared to last generation too (for launch prices)

    • @behindthen0thing
      @behindthen0thing Рік тому

      thanks for watching. for watching.

    • @ScottBonner
      @ScottBonner Рік тому +4

      Agreed. It is useful to compare to current pricing when talking about what to buy right now, but disingenuous to compare to current pricing when talking about gen to gen value per dollar, esp when comparing across companies. Should use launch price for that.

    • @michaelhammond8932
      @michaelhammond8932 Рік тому +18

      Hardware Unboxed have $/frame graphs.

    • @Zeiss120
      @Zeiss120 Рік тому +2

      @InSomnia DrEvil yup, also which price? I know most of you did not get a RTX30 series at MSRP...

    • @anonyshinki
      @anonyshinki Рік тому +1

      That doesn't work well when regional pricing is all kinds of screwed up, only would make some sense for the US and only when there is no ongoing component shortage (and it is still very much going on, though at a lesser scale)

  • @djr11472
    @djr11472 Рік тому +84

    Comparing FE launch prices (and rounding) the 3080 was $700 and the 4080 is $1200. That's 71.4% price increase which is a decent bit more than the 53% performance increase Steve mentioned at 8:14. So, it's actually going backwards generationally in performance per $.

    • @AudioPhile
      @AudioPhile Рік тому +1

      Does the cost of manufacturing and developing the card run parallel to performance increase gen on gen?
      They've seen people will pay stupid prices to play video games and are taking full advantage of it. I personally find it hilarious that people feel they need 4090 levels of performance to play games...

    • @livolas
      @livolas Рік тому +1

      @@AudioPhile yeah, there s no point. Running something like a 2080ti on a 2k resolution is more than enough to play anything on ultra (or close to it) settings with good framerates and awesome visuals.

    • @roosterbooster6238
      @roosterbooster6238 Рік тому +6

      @@livolas not only that but the difference between ultra and medium settings is often pretty marginal and barely noticeable.

    • @darkhaven9119
      @darkhaven9119 Рік тому +10

      The 4080 should be 850 MAX. 80 series cards used to be only 500-600. Every year they get more greedy. 1300 for a regular 3080?? That’s absurd! I’m sick of this shit smh.

    • @MasterChief0522
      @MasterChief0522 Рік тому

      @@roosterbooster6238
      Sounds like cope.

  • @venatorx
    @venatorx Рік тому +290

    This I why I love Steve and GN.
    You always give honest, no-bullshit, detailed reviews that look out for us, the consumers.

  • @Twn_Turbo
    @Twn_Turbo Рік тому +292

    The 80-series of cards STARTING at £1.2K is brutal in itself, enough said

    • @franzescodimitra8815
      @franzescodimitra8815 Рік тому +15

      Rtx 2080ti vibes

    • @xvnbm
      @xvnbm Рік тому +4

      I wish I could buy it for 1200$, it's 1500-1900€ here, way too much when the cheapest model of 4090 is 1999€

    • @cristiant6566
      @cristiant6566 Рік тому

      @@xvnbm 4080 strix cost more than 4090 tuf here

    • @haariger_wookie5646
      @haariger_wookie5646 Рік тому +1

      I found two offers for the 4080: from KFA2 for 2k € and MSI for 2.7k €
      4090 starts at 2.3k €
      3090 and 3090ti still starting at MSRP with 1.2k € and 1.5k € respectively
      meanwhile the RX 6900 XT starts at 750 € the 6950 XT at 880 €. Very tempting, but I'll wait for RDNA3

    • @jonathanellis6097
      @jonathanellis6097 Рік тому

      Nvidia can do one.

  • @crylune
    @crylune Рік тому +167

    The 7900 XTX looking more enticing every day.

    • @Darkinse
      @Darkinse Рік тому +1

      My wallet looking smaller and smaller every day.

    • @Gabu_
      @Gabu_ Рік тому +1

      If, as expected, it slots in between the 4080 and 4090 at 200 whole dollars less, then AMD wins this generation, for sure.

    • @crylune
      @crylune Рік тому +6

      @@Gabu_ Looking at AMD's numbers juxtaposed with 4080 and 4090 review results, yeah, it's 10-15% faster than 4080, 10% slower than 4090, but much cheaper than both, and most importantly, it's 70% faster than my current GPU. I am definitely getting it next month. I said long ago that RTX 40 would be DOA to me, looks like I was right.

    • @dat_21
      @dat_21 Рік тому

      It really isn't. It's still a 1k$ card, that would sell for 1.2-1.3 in reality.

    • @Gabu_
      @Gabu_ Рік тому

      @@dat_21 This just in, local man learns about money.

  • @Grayedoutmix
    @Grayedoutmix Рік тому +46

    Fighting the good fight. Nexus can always be trusted for solid reviews looking out for the consumer. Well done, team!

  • @rustler08
    @rustler08 Рік тому +316

    Never forget that $699 to $1,199 price increase AND that they tried tricking people with the mislabeled 4070

    • @Kley96
      @Kley96 Рік тому +11

      "mislabeled" 😝

    • @futuza
      @futuza Рік тому +24

      You know Nvidia could fix this all easy, just drop the prices of everything by $300-400 and they'd be really pretty tempting deals.

    • @haukionkannel
      @haukionkannel Рік тому +37

      Well they did find out that we customers are suckers and buy everything, no matter the price...

    • @memitim171
      @memitim171 Рік тому +12

      I still think this is the 4070 tbh, it's almost half the cuda cores of the 4090, WTF?!

    • @diarmuid4191
      @diarmuid4191 Рік тому +9

      ​@@memitim171 it is a pretty shit compared to the 4090. Either get s 4090 or AMD. The rest of nvidia line up appears to be booty cheeks

  • @StefandeJong1
    @StefandeJong1 Рік тому +1240

    $699 MSRP of the 3080 vs $1200 4080 is pretty savage, lol.

    • @rare6499
      @rare6499 Рік тому +200

      It’s absurd, Nvidia absolutely milking pc gamers dry

    • @TTVFails
      @TTVFails Рік тому +115

      it was never $699 in EU $900 for the cheapest model

    • @bigcorgi
      @bigcorgi Рік тому +92

      @@TTVFails yuropoor moment

    • @francesleeds9452
      @francesleeds9452 Рік тому +47

      That's the plan, it seems. Make the insane 3000-series prices seem better in comparison.

    • @Oozaru85
      @Oozaru85 Рік тому +28

      Ampere showed them what people are willing to pay for their cards. This gen wont be any different.

  • @tempacc9589
    @tempacc9589 Рік тому +1245

    I'm no longer hoping AMD is going to bring Nvidia's pricing down. I'm soon buying an AMD card for cheaper

    • @summushieremiasclarkson4700
      @summushieremiasclarkson4700 Рік тому +124

      If only people realised this at the launch of the HD 5870 12 years ago... AH well, better late than never I suppose.

    • @reddragon4482
      @reddragon4482 Рік тому +96

      Same bro. Gonna get a higher end last gen AMD now. Sick it with Nvidias bullshit.

    • @TheHighborn
      @TheHighborn Рік тому +88

      @@summushieremiasclarkson4700 or the people that bought the 1050ti over 470...

    • @ztechmusic
      @ztechmusic Рік тому +15

      @@summushieremiasclarkson4700 Bro i realized it back then and got HD 6950 and HD 7970, but 390X and Vega just suck :D

    • @lloydaran
      @lloydaran Рік тому +102

      I find it quite disingenuous to hope for AMD to force Nvidia to lower prices, which means they offer better value, so that then you can go and still buy Nvidia.

  • @NeuroPulse
    @NeuroPulse Рік тому +16

    I second what you said about CPUs. A mid range CPU is significantly more powerful than a top end CPU 2 years ago. Progress.

  • @Ja3cques
    @Ja3cques Рік тому +184

    The 4090 is going for $2200+ 13% sales tax in Ontario Canada right now. Just under $2500. Nvidia went off the deep end this gen

    • @hardwatermaniac
      @hardwatermaniac Рік тому +3

      Just get a 3080Ti ftw or 3090 strix for a 1000$ like I did. prices already up so guessing those cards will be 1200$ tomorrow ahah

    • @michaelangst6078
      @michaelangst6078 Рік тому

      and? that's a good price if you can get it.. I won close to 2K USD last night on Monday night football.. Learn to not fucking suck....

    • @Slenderman63323
      @Slenderman63323 Рік тому +10

      I got a 6800XT used for $550 (I’m in BC.) screw the new GPU market

    • @ZudeXbox360
      @ZudeXbox360 Рік тому

      @@Slenderman63323 would getting a 3070 off eBay be a good idea, or where'd you get your GPU?

    • @24YOA
      @24YOA Рік тому +8

      $2200 CAD is equal to $1656 USD. Sales tax they can't control. 4090 retails for $1599 USD MSRP.
      I'm not shilling for NVIDIA, surely you can realize that not every country has currency that's 1:1 with the USD.

  • @SumRndmPenguin
    @SumRndmPenguin Рік тому +538

    If people are disappointed with this, imagine how the 4080 12gb would have been received.

    • @mushieslushie
      @mushieslushie Рік тому +58

      Ive never spent over $400 on a GPU and I don't plan to. The way this is going there wont be a 40 series card under $400.

    • @ASTRALEGION
      @ASTRALEGION Рік тому +76

      @@mushieslushie you might as well just get a console at that point

    • @mushieslushie
      @mushieslushie Рік тому

      @@ASTRALEGION Might as well stick a leaf blower up my ass too right? Good one brosef.

    • @thannydevitos2332
      @thannydevitos2332 Рік тому +60

      @@ASTRALEGION congrats on the dumbest comment I’ve seen in this video’s section. 400$ GPU can easily outpace consoles.

    • @DerekDudage
      @DerekDudage Рік тому +17

      @@thannydevitos2332 I think his comment was a bit tongue in cheek.

  • @grizzleebair
    @grizzleebair Рік тому +133

    Thank you!!!! Everyone forgets that for years you got increased performance for a given tier without a price increase. (There was some creep due to real inflation, not gouging calculated inflation, but generally stayed the same). I remember when a top tier GPU was $500, several generations in a row. And last year's models actually went on sale when new parts came out, or even just before they came out.

    • @behindthen0thing
      @behindthen0thing Рік тому

      thanks for watching. for watching.

    • @quantum5661
      @quantum5661 Рік тому +24

      honestly at this point, next time i buy a gpu, i might just go amd/intel regardless of the actual specs just because fuck nvidia.

    • @kyle8971
      @kyle8971 Рік тому +9

      Back in the days when a new GPU release actually meant there would be a decrease in price of the previous gen. Now a new GPU releases at a higher price and you just sit on your old GPU thinking "I can wait until next year." They sell less GPU's overall, but at double the price...does it make up for the lower sales numbers?

    • @thisguy10c59
      @thisguy10c59 Рік тому

      With inflation calculated the last time Nvidia had a flagship gpu for $500 in todays money was 2003.

    • @SB-mr2nk
      @SB-mr2nk Рік тому +1

      this exactly. I'll pay 500-550 for the 2nd tier gpu, so 4070, but it has to be better fps per dollar than the previous gen GPUs. and for the past two years at least that has not happened, and so I still have my old GPU. I'm fine running high settings instead of ultra.

  • @JoeManGuy23
    @JoeManGuy23 Рік тому +13

    Would love to see a 1080ti added to these charts, been holding onto mine for years and never quite sure where it stacks up. Thanks for all your hard work on these videos! :)

    • @ehsona1827
      @ehsona1827 Рік тому +1

      rtx 3060 ti, somewhere there.

    • @Jepysauce
      @Jepysauce Рік тому +5

      It's between a 3060 and 3060 Ti

    • @Adri9570
      @Adri9570 Рік тому

      @@Jepysauce 4060: yep! 1080ti it's me! :D
      ...
      Everyone: don't worry, we will tear you apart 4060, so this time you won't reincarnate again :D
      4060: :((

  • @rickd955
    @rickd955 Рік тому +661

    Nvidia's performance increase is like your boss giving you a pay raise of 30%, but you have to work 30% more.

    • @joleDEV
      @joleDEV Рік тому +210

      No you have to work 50% more

    • @M340B58
      @M340B58 Рік тому +26

      Although I would rather things be different, I like having the option. If you want more performance, you can pay for it. I hate saying this, but in comparison to the 4080, the 4090 doesn't look that bad. It's a stupid amount of money, but $400 (33% more) for something that is 35-45% better is fine by me. Either buy one or don't for your use case and budget. Things would change if the 4080 was $699/$799.

    • @riley900
      @riley900 Рік тому +12

      And yet often times that's how the real world works. Hmm. Weird.

    • @behindthen0thing
      @behindthen0thing Рік тому

      @@riley900 thanks for watching. for watching.

    • @behindthen0thing
      @behindthen0thing Рік тому

      @@M340B58 thanks for watching. for watching.

  • @afelias
    @afelias Рік тому +759

    I know it's been said a thousand thousand times now, but damn,
    I'm starting to really feel why EVGA left NVIDIA

    • @eliasroflchopper3006
      @eliasroflchopper3006 Рік тому +10

      @@PutsOnSneakers what the F man

    • @funnyclips5451
      @funnyclips5451 Рік тому +38

      Nah for them to leave Nvidia they would've had to employed by them. EVGA straight up DUMPED Nvidia

    • @budgetking2591
      @budgetking2591 Рік тому +22

      lol so cringe all these people acting as if EVGA was some kind of family member or something, clowns.

    • @zexedearth89
      @zexedearth89 Рік тому +8

      @@budgetking2591 hahaha i have the same sentiment, so fucking cringe everytime i see that! OHHH POOR EVGA DIDNT WANT TO CHARGE PEOPLEMONEY FOR GPUS SO THEY QUIT THE GPU BUSSINES.

    • @Happy-hu8dh
      @Happy-hu8dh Рік тому +3

      @@zexedearth89 yeah it's just a heatsink for me lol

  • @Starfals
    @Starfals Рік тому +120

    Only Nvidia can make us miss the days of the $800 GPU lol. Most people hated how the price went up from 500 to 800, but now... we are all dreaming about those magical 800 dollar times. So well done Nvidia! Maybe a $1500 RTX5080 will make the $1200 4080 look great?

    • @spankbuda5760
      @spankbuda5760 Рік тому +2

      What are you talking about? Nvidia have $399 3060 Ti and their 3080 Ti for around $800 to buy.

    • @miktheveg
      @miktheveg Рік тому +58

      @@spankbuda5760 Oh wow, generation old cards at MSRP, how enticing for the consumer.

    • @MooKyTig
      @MooKyTig Рік тому +13

      @@spankbuda5760 Don't be obtuse. He was talking about top end enthusiast (non-titan level) cards. And if you didn't know that then go buy a clue.
      The 3080ti didn't just launch, its almost 1.5 years old, and where is it available new from a major retailer for that price? (and no linking to some crap 3rd party seller with 2 reviews)

    • @spankbuda5760
      @spankbuda5760 Рік тому

      @@MooKyTig The 3000 series cards was launched 1.5 - 2 years ago but due to the circumstances at that time and the limited availability a lot of people wasn't able to get their hands on one until around 6 months ago. And yes, the MSI Ventus 3080 Ti on Best Buy website was being sold for $739.99 that you can view the image on tech4gamers nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-750 website. Hell, even the 3080 Ti FE was reduced to $899 on Best Buy. Why do you think that most 3080 Ti's are sold out everywhere?

    • @Sunrise1781
      @Sunrise1781 Рік тому +2

      The only thing a 5080 at this price will make look great is a $700 PS6.

  • @Cid_1
    @Cid_1 Рік тому +11

    The 4080 are between $1800 and up to over $2000 here in Norway. I miss the days when a high mid-range (60 -70Ti) GPU was around $400-$800.

    • @Enonymouse_
      @Enonymouse_ Рік тому +2

      4k series on some vendor sites in the US are well above 2000 USD. :/ You aren't the only one who misses pricing from 7 years ago.

    • @zerocal76
      @zerocal76 Рік тому

      Don't cry kids. Get an older card or a used card. Every card on every single gaming rig I've ever built (or put a card into) has been used and has never been the newest card available and I've still had a lot of fun on with each set up.

    • @Ruben_M.
      @Ruben_M. Рік тому

      Serious question, since I'm trying to learn more about PC gaming, what is considered high mid-range gaming? I've personally disliked playing games with fancy graphic options, too much eye candy for my palette. Would something like 720p at 60 fps (with generally low quality graphic settings) be considered very low-range gaming?

    • @Cid_1
      @Cid_1 Рік тому

      @@Ruben_M. Mid to high Mid is generally between the 60 series to 70Ti on Nvidias site. Dont know about 720p gaming, but a 1060 card should do 1080p gaming at medium and high settings at a decent framerate. If you dont like fancy graphics you can just turn settings to low.

    • @zerocal76
      @zerocal76 Рік тому

      @@Ruben_M. bro do yourself a huge favor at leave 720p altogether. For real! It doesn't matter what kind of games u like. 720 looks really bad now even w retro games. Get at least a 1060 but my #1 recommendation for a budget is the 1070 or 1660ti

  • @quigley61
    @quigley61 Рік тому +216

    Time and time again EVGA showing us they got out at the right time. GN also, yet again, delivering the info and details for gamers and consumers and not being scared to speak out against companies.

  • @beauselecta8575
    @beauselecta8575 Рік тому +428

    My take on this: we paid scalper prices for the last generation and Nvidia figured they could do the same and priced accordingly. Here in the UK, virtually the entire 4090 stock is on ebay for 3 grand a pop. Those actually in stock are being price gouged by retailers. AMDs 7900xtx will be the "value" card despite being similarly overpriced. This is the future of PC gaming.

    • @zengrath
      @zengrath Рік тому +43

      Let's hope AMD fixes this. Nvidia has had it's reign for too long and has completely lost touch with reality.

    • @spankbuda5760
      @spankbuda5760 Рік тому +9

      Will you all from across the pond STOP bringing up your inflated pricing that's caused by a numerous of economic issues?! You all are almost in a recession if not already. So of course you're going to see inflated cost on food, electronics, energy, etc.

    • @Ubya_
      @Ubya_ Рік тому +49

      @@spankbuda5760 bruh it's just import taxes.
      Here in italy it is 22%, so any card overpriced in the US, well just add 22% and that's the minimum we are going to pay

    • @asteria9963
      @asteria9963 Рік тому +2

      @@spankbuda5760 there are no economic issues. it's all greed. "economic issues" is what they want you to think so they can get away with it.

    • @beauselecta8575
      @beauselecta8575 Рік тому +41

      Inflation is global and is irrelevant to Nvidia's pricing. MSRP for gfx cards has always been inline with US pricing, just in £s rather than $s, so yes we pay more but not massively so. This launch on paper the same, but retailers are bumping the asking price like they did with the 3000 cards, which didn't happen with the 2000 series or the 1000 series launches, although scalpers have all the stock anyway and is going for between 2 and 3k. Nvidia's pricing this time around is a direct result of the prices we collectively paid for the scalped 3000 series stock. "Supply and demand" was the much touted excuse for scalper behaviour, but what they actually did was create a shortage and artificially inflate prices. They did the same thing with consoles, one estimate had around 30% of PS5s sold via retail outlets as never having been switched on after several months. They were sat in scalpers garages waiting to be sold on ebay.
      The Nvidia and AMDs pricing now reflects this new normal.

  • @spaggtrait1608
    @spaggtrait1608 Рік тому +346

    Yeah, During the lifespan of the 3080, Nvidia saw that people are prepared to pay absurdly high prices for their cards. I hope it was mostly crypto miners, since they don't care about the price of GPU's, and now that that market has dissapeared that Nvidia will sit on these like bricks. This insane pricing policy must be opposed.

    • @michelvanbriemen3459
      @michelvanbriemen3459 Рік тому +22

      I reckon that most 3080s went to crypto miners, but another element to consider is that a lot of people who did splurge out to get a 3080 or 3090 absolutely will not buy a 40-series card, for they decided when they purchased a 3080 (ti) or 3090 that they were going to keep that card for 3-4 years or more precisely because it cost them an arm and a leg.

    • @FrotLopOfficial
      @FrotLopOfficial Рік тому +18

      Its already happening. Used 3080's are 1/4 the price MSRP so nobody in their right minds are buying 3080's new let alone 4080's.
      They cant possibly overprice their next gen cards because if they do, AMD will undercut them and completely dominate the market while Nvidia sits holding an even bigger bag

    • @ESPViper100
      @ESPViper100 Рік тому +3

      And it is, with AMD starting at 899. I truly hope these cards are good.

    • @SimonBuchanNz
      @SimonBuchanNz Рік тому +20

      @@michelvanbriemen3459 why wouldn't you keep a card for ~4 years regardless of price nowadays? Games simply don't have that high a performance requirement increase.

    • @legendofdave8831
      @legendofdave8831 Рік тому +8

      @@michelvanbriemen3459 This. Had my 1080 not been dying, I'd still be using it. I plan to keep the 3080 for at least 5 years.

  • @CatManDoom84
    @CatManDoom84 Рік тому +14

    Love my new 4080 build from micro center (g471) compared to the 3080.Revisiting cyberpunk but now all settings max, all RT ultra, 4k on my tv at 120hz. Friggin beautiful

    • @gold3neye889
      @gold3neye889 9 місяців тому

      Unlikeable characters in my OP. Just a misrable bunch. The story is so so, gunplay is basic and the driving is horrific. Still a very oberhyped game based on looks in my OP. I put in about 25 hours.

    • @realWorsin
      @realWorsin 5 місяців тому

      @@gold3neye889 Why would you feel the need to try and downplay his enjoyment? You must be miserable.

  • @moctarfofana392
    @moctarfofana392 Рік тому +341

    After being with Nvidia since the Riva TNT days, I needed to replace a dying 1060 and took a chance on a Radeon this year, and I am not regretting it. AMD appears to have solved the driver issues they were known for, the card plays all my games with no issues; and after today any thoughts I had about going back to NVIDIA are now gone. As soon as the new Radeon cards are available I'm getting one, NVIDIA needs a Ryzen style correction, and I hope AMD and INTEL are up to the task.

    • @igano111
      @igano111 Рік тому +3

      How is the software? I'm so used to nvidia's control panel all these years.

    • @MrQwertyman111
      @MrQwertyman111 Рік тому +15

      During the worst shortage of cards, my wifes pc died and in the end we decided to get her a laptop since there was a point where laptops with configs as strong as desktops were bit cheaper than said desktops. So my wife decided to get on the "mobility" train. I was sceptical when switching from Intel/Nvidia to full AMD, expecting issues with drivers I had all those years back and why I switched to Nvidia. Guess what? The 5900HX cpu is as good as expected, and the RX6800M works like a charm. One game (a 8yo oldie) was casuing issues, and that was indeed a gpu driver thing. But other than that? Smooth with no issues.
      My desktop is slowly oustaying it's welcome, and if the coming gpus from AMD are better in terms of value ? That will be my pick as well. And yeah, both AMD and Intel need to ste up their game so that Nvidia starts loosing income in the personal pcs category of products. Only way we can see those asurd prices drop to reasonable levels.

    • @Raphael_Campos
      @Raphael_Campos Рік тому +9

      @@igano111 a bit confusing and game-y like but works well.

    • @mbrj3idi830
      @mbrj3idi830 Рік тому +3

      Thank you. I still using my 1060 and hope it survives till 7800 is out. How is AMD quality and performance in recording/streaming games? I'm really concern about that more than its gaming performance because I know it will be more than enough for me.

    • @lagarttemido
      @lagarttemido Рік тому

      "Driver issues" exist only in the eyes of NVidia's paid shills.

  • @JosiahBradley
    @JosiahBradley Рік тому +86

    The 1-1 performance upgrade is actually worse of you already own a card cause you're basically paying for it again at the exact same price.

    • @DualPerformance
      @DualPerformance Рік тому +10

      this is how I feels about the RTX 3050, I have a 1660 Ti, and the 3050 have the exact same rasterizarion performance for about 10 to 20 dollars more (around $300) in the current market, way more than what I paid in 2019 for the 1660 Ti ($289)

  • @benjaminlynch9958
    @benjaminlynch9958 Рік тому +655

    70-series die size
    80-series branding
    90-series pricing.
    Hard pass. nVidia is the undisputed king at gouging its customers.

    • @iseeyou1312
      @iseeyou1312 Рік тому +25

      Also 70 series bus.

    • @JosiahBradley
      @JosiahBradley Рік тому +22

      But their customers love being gouged because it makes them "better".

    • @Zachary3D
      @Zachary3D Рік тому +1

      Can't wait to get mine!

    • @robertp457
      @robertp457 Рік тому +1

      People don't have to buy them it's not gouging if there are obviously other choices.

    • @ShroudedWolf51
      @ShroudedWolf51 Рік тому +1

      @@robertp457 MSRP still matters significantly. This is why the Ti cards in the 30-series were such a huge issue. Scalping or no scalping.

  • @lforlight
    @lforlight Рік тому +22

    Just bought a 3080Ti. It's so insane, I should be set for years to come.

    • @Aussie_Tom
      @Aussie_Tom Рік тому +1

      Yeee 3080 gang
      Got a new rig myself a few months ago with a 3080 ti and i5 12500k. This was coming from a 2060 S paired with a 9700k. Very, very happy with my new set up :D

    • @dartheveloper5449
      @dartheveloper5449 Рік тому +2

      honestly man I just ignore the 40 series cards I think their a waste

    • @secxserr
      @secxserr Рік тому +4

      @@dartheveloper5449 I agree. Just got a 4080, buddy has 3080 similar settup. I get like 30-40fps more than him on Forza. Is it worth it to me? heck yeah, I got the best of the best in the market rn. Would i do it again? Hell nah. 3080 is good enough. lol

    • @shadowyzephyr
      @shadowyzephyr Рік тому +5

      @@Aussie_Tom Unless you want raytracing, you should really go AMD... it's better at pretty much everything at this point

    • @captainculpeper1250
      @captainculpeper1250 Рік тому

      @Sec FromTheC2MK 6 you both played the same game, there both so good you wouldn't know which card you were playing unless you had a fps meter.

  • @CFI963
    @CFI963 Рік тому +1062

    Nvidia: It’s never our problem that you don’t have money to buy our overpriced products 😂

    • @qwerty112311
      @qwerty112311 Рік тому +62

      Not overpriced if people pay for it. And people are paying for it (myself definitely not included). Econ 001.

    • @SSoul0
      @SSoul0 Рік тому +36

      Its not Nividias problem that you don't have enough money. They dont owe you a thing, just like you dont owe them your business.

    • @rare6499
      @rare6499 Рік тому +138

      @@SSoul0 what a weird logic as a consumer. Can only assume you are on a payroll. Hopefully you will get priced out of whatever hobby you have…
      Ultimately and hopefully it will be nvidias problem. A company is nothing without customers. There’s only so far you can push people.

    • @nZektor
      @nZektor Рік тому +56

      Nvidia: Have you tried not being poor?

    • @Raider_MXD
      @Raider_MXD Рік тому +91

      I do have the money, but I will not spend it on products that are overpriced.

  • @bluephreakr
    @bluephreakr Рік тому +259

    I do love how as GamersNexus has become more influential, Steve hasn't lost his integrity - in fact, while his staff may be incorporating more clickbait and Steve is raising his voice more often, it is usually just, fair and resolved within the first fifteen minutes. GamersNexus is the _premier_ example of consumer-advocating reviewer conduct which clowns on bad PR when there are attempts to manipulate the message. Stay strong Steve #NoFilter

    • @adrianmoore2750
      @adrianmoore2750 Рік тому +9

      Agreed. Steve has the highest integrity in the hardware review game. Match that with well organized systems to evaluate new tech, a solid team, geeky sense of humor and to top it off... The hair of a drummer in a metal band 🤣

    • @seantaft3853
      @seantaft3853 Рік тому +1

      I remember, just a few years ago at the Roast of Linus, everyone was joking about how Steve was so boring.
      Adding some passion and writing that helps makes talking points has helped get over that.

    • @maaingan
      @maaingan Рік тому

      Fuckin Linus, his goddamn smug face in EVERY SINGLE video cap pisses me off so much

    • @bluephreakr
      @bluephreakr Рік тому

      @@seantaft3853 I was one of a few who suggested in a couple of videos to add timer bars into graphs so people who become easily bored and distracted staring at them can see the duration of a graph on the screen, GN team took it _in part_ - I also requested a _separate_ timer bar representing total time of all charts within a given section, but I suppose they dropped that because it was too much work, which is reasonable since I like the way GN has them right now.

    • @roosterbooster6238
      @roosterbooster6238 Рік тому +1

      @@seantaft3853 I thought he came off really well in that roast.

  • @joshuadelaughter
    @joshuadelaughter Рік тому +142

    Pretty insane that AMDs previous generation card is actually competitive with Nvidia's new ones as far as price:performance goes.

    • @smokeysify
      @smokeysify Рік тому +18

      I think nvidia target marker doesnt care about price / performance

    • @thiagosestini29
      @thiagosestini29 Рік тому +8

      The sad thing is that this is only true because NVidia raised the prices into the stratosphere. I love what AMD has done with the CPU market and was glad to put my money behind it. Now I hope they will give me a reason to buy a 7000-series GPU, because last gen I couldn't justify it.

    • @demrasnawla
      @demrasnawla Рік тому +9

      @@smokeysify Not exactly, most Nvidia cards in the Steam surveys are 1060, 1660, 2060, etc. They're trying to purely target the high-end market now, but the broader Nvidia customer base is looking for the best product they can get at a particular price point

    • @twogruden9943
      @twogruden9943 Рік тому +3

      @@demrasnawla Which is why I think AMD stands to gain. People with 1060s would do well to look at AMD's offerings when they decide to upgrade.

    • @FacialVomitTurtleFights
      @FacialVomitTurtleFights Рік тому +4

      try a 1080ti...or even a 980ti compared to the new cards...

  • @lastword8783
    @lastword8783 Рік тому +15

    It would restore some badly needed faith in humanity if consumers continue to say no to this shit.

  • @Marleyismydog420
    @Marleyismydog420 Рік тому +220

    With how alot of reviewers are talking about the 40 series its almost like we are in some kind of "the emporer's new clothes" scenario and im just thankful that atleast gamers nexus have their senses to call it for what it is. kudos to you guys!

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen Рік тому +19

      Hardware Unboxed's review was lukewarm at best. Paul's Hardware didn't like it either...

    • @roosterbooster6238
      @roosterbooster6238 Рік тому +4

      Most reviews I have seen slam the pricing

    • @denxos
      @denxos Рік тому +1

      What are you talking about? Pretty much every tech youtuber is roasting the pricing of the 4080.

    • @roosterbooster6238
      @roosterbooster6238 Рік тому

      @@andersjjensen he looked distinctly unenthusiastic in his review…

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen Рік тому

      @@roosterbooster6238 Yeah, that's pretty much what "lukewarm at best" means.

  • @GeorgeJFW
    @GeorgeJFW Рік тому +60

    GN needs to do a 2022 update of AMDs gpu drivers. I have noticed a huge improvement, dispelling some myths about driver support may help increase competition.

    • @tranquil14738
      @tranquil14738 Рік тому +9

      The myths about bad drivers from ATi were made from nvidia during the 2007-8 vista crisis, when nvidia’s enthusiast forum outreach program was still a thing, and nvidia had been found to be responsible for like 45% or something crazy like that of all crashes on windows vista. What’s crazy is how AMD fit the shoes of the myths as they ran out of money to spend on driver development, and QA

    • @ZeludeRose
      @ZeludeRose Рік тому +2

      drivers are still behind nvidia's in terms of features, i constantly hear about cool settings that amd either doesnt have or are very limited. AA injection is dx9 only, for example.

    • @lucastonoli3256
      @lucastonoli3256 Рік тому +8

      @@ZeludeRose What do you do with AA Injection in 2022?

    • @frizzlefry1921
      @frizzlefry1921 Рік тому +8

      @@tranquil14738 Yup and all you still hear is amd drivers bad people just keep regurgitating it. I have not had 1 problem with a ati/amd driver. Can't say the same for nvidia so yeah.

    • @frizzlefry1921
      @frizzlefry1921 Рік тому +1

      @@tranquil14738 Yup and all you still here is amd drivers bad people just keep regurgitating it. I have not had 1 problem with a ati/amd driver. Can't say the same for nvidia so yeah.

  • @wertywerrtyson5529
    @wertywerrtyson5529 Рік тому +39

    In my currency it is about a 115% price increase compared to the 3080. In fact it costs 15% more than my entire PC did in 2019 and that came with a 9700K and RTX 2070 Strix case,cooler, PSU,RAM, two M.2 SSDs and one HDD. To put in perspective it is about $1650 here so more than the 4090 is in the US. 4090 is technically $2200 here but real price seem to be closer to $3000 so I’m expecting the 4080 to be around $2000 after a few cards sold at MSRP.

    • @martine5923
      @martine5923 Рік тому +3

      I buildt a full 5600x 16gb ram 3080 rig at 30series launce for 1600,-

    • @ancientflames
      @ancientflames Рік тому

      Had almost the exact same rig spec wise for the same price. No way I’m upgrading until the 4090 is $800 or less.

    • @slatibardfast
      @slatibardfast Рік тому

      The 4090 is $3900 NZD at it's cheapest. With a direct currency conversion (I know this isn't really the most accurate representation of things, as there is shipping etc to take into account) but that's $2400 USD at current exchange rate. I feel your pain, greatly.

  • @rbondy008
    @rbondy008 Рік тому +6

    As a new viewer I really liked the decreasing stamina bar to let me know when to pause the screen if I hadn't finished comparing the results. I also appreciated the highlighting of the gpu you were talking about so we could all keep up with what card you were comparing. Nice review and nice editing.

  • @Captain_Kouga
    @Captain_Kouga Рік тому +59

    The craziest thing to me is that not too long ago $1200 would get you a whole ass pc build... not a "budget" lower end one like now but a pretty high end build for the same amount Nvidia now wants us to pay for a single of their overpriced GPUs

    • @WizG.
      @WizG. Рік тому

      You should specify by saying 80 class cards are now reaching $1200 because for the last 3-4 generations the highest end GPU's (Titans, Ti's) were always a $1000+ so idk why you're complaining about it now 6-7 years later 😂

    • @kadrix732
      @kadrix732 Рік тому +8

      @@WizG. Titans were never meant for gamers in the first place. 80 and 90 class cards are.

    • @WizG.
      @WizG. Рік тому +4

      @@kadrix732 Let's be real here.. Titan cards weren't technically advertized as "gaming cards" but it was still the fastest card for gaming and people still bought it as such. Plus the 90 class card is really just taking the place of a Titan. I would still consider it a Titan class card as even GamerNexus said in the video

    • @kadrix732
      @kadrix732 Рік тому +1

      @@WizG. Yes, people still bought it. But the fact they did only further made Nvidia realize people are willing to spend large amounts of cash on it.

    • @mirceastan4618
      @mirceastan4618 Рік тому +3

      @@WizG. 4090 can't be called a Titan card because of two simple reasons alone:
      1) It doesn't have all Titan features and drivers. LTT debunked this very well in their 3090 review.
      2) 4090 is 40% better than 4080 in Gaming, whereas Titan was barely faster than the gaming flagship except for a couple of months until the "Ti" was released.

  • @OneDollaBill
    @OneDollaBill Рік тому +21

    These are around 1500€ in Europe.
    So for Double of the price of 3080 you get ~50% more performance (in best cases).
    Not really a step forward.

    • @AmbroReality
      @AmbroReality Рік тому +1

      More like 1800€ - 2000€ for 4080 from what i see in stores.

  • @ApocDevTeam
    @ApocDevTeam Рік тому +67

    Two years ago on launch the 3080 was listed as 720 Euro at my retailer. These 4080's will end up around 1600 Euro. NVIDIA can shove it.

    • @vedranvidov4890
      @vedranvidov4890 Рік тому +3

      In my country 4080 minimal price is 1766$ or 1693 euro vat 25% included.

    • @sevdev9844
      @sevdev9844 Рік тому

      I paid around 3k for my first high end gaming PC, long time ago. These cards are cheap compared to cars or traveling. It's good to have a wide spectrum to pick from, so wealthy people or professionals can push technology forward by buying the more expensive GPUs.

    • @Shendue
      @Shendue Рік тому +4

      @@sevdev9844 The problem is that high end cards like this used to cost 500-600$ just a few generations ago. These are not 3090s, which are the current Titans of cards.
      Even taking inflation into account, that price point doesn't really work. It's not a matter of "having a wide spectrum to pick from". It's a matter of EVERY SINGLE STEP of that spectrum suddenly being 40% more expensive.
      And that's not due to natural circumstances, but because the companies saw how much the prices rose up in the last few years during a massive speculative bubble due to shortage of components caused by the pandemic and the crypto mining fad and they thought "well, the prices doubled or tripled and people are STILL buying cards, maybe we can charge more too". That's a massive rise in prices due to an indirect consequence of speculation processes. It's far from a natural occurence in a free market.

    • @sevdev9844
      @sevdev9844 Рік тому +1

      @@Shendue 🤷‍♂️ Inflation: Shadowstats. Also, it isn't distributed equal over everything. Crypto took that money supply and ate it up, using the GPUs as tools.
      Then, your whole reasoning is based on the names of these cards and what the top model is and such. Seems to be about status or to be entitled to get access to progress. It's all just in your head. These are the prices, take it or leave it.

    • @Caseoh_Music
      @Caseoh_Music Рік тому +9

      @@sevdev9844 You know Nvidia's lost it when you're comparing their pricing to literal cars

  • @vicekwad8537
    @vicekwad8537 Рік тому +14

    Gee, your graphs are just beautiful. Dense with data but uncluttered. Graph animation is so simple but so helpful for data interpretation. I love the slide progress bars too. Much appreciated GN

  • @googlewolly
    @googlewolly Рік тому +35

    Good video. It's nice to see someone discussing the ridiculous price of the 4080 16 gig. Too many people were too preoccupied with the 4080 12 gig being cancelled.

  • @mrniusi11
    @mrniusi11 Рік тому +22

    This is why after 8 years of a 2600K I went to Ryzen 3700x. Intel spent generation after generation with mediocre improvements and complacency. I remember thinking "ooh, maybe I will get the 7700K... nope! Oh! maybe the 8700K! Nope! 9700K? Nope! Bye intel! I got my Asus 1080 O8G shipped from Amazon to China with shipping and taxes for no more than $770 in 2016. It was my first high end card. My EVGA Gtx 260 before that was not more than $280 after tax. These mediocre gains are not matched to inflation or reality. Double the pricing for medicore gains is insane.

    • @BlackEyedFish
      @BlackEyedFish Рік тому

      What u recomend i buy now? Or best to wait?

    • @Apollo-Computers
      @Apollo-Computers Рік тому

      @@BlackEyedFish wait for amd release and benchmarks. Then decide.

    • @sentryion3106
      @sentryion3106 Рік тому

      @@BlackEyedFish or just get last gen. If you don't need 4k gaming the 6800xt or 3080 are both great options for around $600 to $700 if you are in the US. That is if you don't buy used which can go down even more
      my guess would be the 7900xtx will beat the 4080 in rasterization but loses with rt and possibly 4k performance. But at some point higher than 80fps in 1440p in non competitive games are not really noticable. The new gen should only be considered if you are going 4k.

  • @Lucade2210
    @Lucade2210 Рік тому +110

    This. This is a an actual, proper, good and honest review. Thanks Steve, please keep doing what you do.

  • @jernaugurgeh451
    @jernaugurgeh451 Рік тому +16

    I just picked up an RX 6400 for 1/10th the price of this monster, and am looking forward to playing most of the games I like at 1080p 60fps, whilst drawing 1/7th the power in a tiny and almost-silent PC, and spending the money I'm saving (in initial outlay and on power bills) on booze and hookers... or something.

    • @Leanzazzy
      @Leanzazzy Рік тому +1

      But how many extra frames can hookers give you?😏

    • @E.L.C.
      @E.L.C. Рік тому +3

      Why not just buy a old xbox if you just want 1080 60fps then ?.

    • @const3llations_370
      @const3llations_370 Рік тому +1

      nobody cares about power consumption

    • @jernaugurgeh451
      @jernaugurgeh451 Рік тому +1

      @@const3llations_370 - If you lived in the UK you would understand - we have the highest energy charges in the entire world. Mine has more than doubled in 3 years, and it's likely to go up another 40% next year.

    • @jernaugurgeh451
      @jernaugurgeh451 Рік тому +7

      @@E.L.C. - Because I have a large library of PC games and because I also want a PC for tasks other than games.

  • @WaterZer0
    @WaterZer0 Рік тому +73

    Make absolutely no mistake: this is a 4070 or 4070 Ti.
    The one they "unlaunched" is a 4060 Ti.

    • @ItsReaxxion
      @ItsReaxxion Рік тому +7

      unfortunately this truth just like other stuff will fate and forgotten over time.

    • @zkilla4611
      @zkilla4611 Рік тому +1

      They are waiting to slot in that 4080Ti and upsell everyone who buys it. Not this time NVIDIA! Not me at least. Fool me once. But not twice. :)

    • @Dracossaint
      @Dracossaint Рік тому

      That 4070 TI was actually the 12 gig model.

    • @zkilla4611
      @zkilla4611 Рік тому

      @@Dracossaint Na. That's a 4070 at best.

    • @WaterZer0
      @WaterZer0 Рік тому

      @@Dracossaint That is exactly what Nvidia wants you to think.

  • @trousers2
    @trousers2 Рік тому +42

    Finally! Thank you for finally being a reviewer not just saying "yay more performance!" I've felt like I was talking crazy pills with these stupid prices

  • @sniper0073088
    @sniper0073088 Рік тому +28

    Nice that you also have some older cards in the charts. That actually makes it useful for judging wether a new card is worth it

  • @reasonablyargued9003
    @reasonablyargued9003 Рік тому +17

    I bought my first gaming pc in 2021. My only frame of reference for pricing is post-mining. Everyone says the 4080 is a bad deal and I understand the argument when you compare MSRPs. But Ive never seen a gpu sold at MSRP before. I havent seen a 4090 for under $2k since launch. Some retailers are still selling the 3090 for $1600. The 3080ti is $900-1600 depending on variant and retailer.
    I waited when I saw the 3090ti on sale for $900 because it was before the 40series launch and I thought they might drop further. Now Im worried if I dont grab a $1300 4080 at microcenter today, prices may worsen again.
    Am I just an idiot? Gaming/digital art are hobbies and AMD doesnt do well with the latter, so I havent considered their new lineup.

    • @foolpersona_
      @foolpersona_ Рік тому +5

      PS5 + ipad pro is better value for those two things lol

    • @conjo8884
      @conjo8884 Рік тому +3

      don't worry too much about it. high end current series graphics cards are designed for enthusiasts in mind. This isn't to say it won't affect you or I, but that the quality of your gaming experience, which is the main reason why you bought the gaming pc, isn't going to be impacted for another 5 or so years when the market design games around a different spec range.
      also a lot of the performances are relative under an extreme resource load. we're talking cyberpunk ultramax all raytracing enabled no fps cap, as well as graphic renders intentionally designed to be a massive load over an extended period. This rarely applies to in practice performance, games are still running fine with a 1080ti, and the industry isn't going to design their content around a small percentage of hardware access.
      there will be a new set of graphics cards in a few years, and in that time you'll have a better understanding of your pc to make these kinds of calls.

    • @mylesmcmanus2080
      @mylesmcmanus2080 Рік тому +6

      Listen, the 4080 is a shit deal, for a very good card. It'll be awhile before the 4080 drops, but let ya nuts drag. send it

    • @jerrybarnette5148
      @jerrybarnette5148 Рік тому

      there is chip glut atm prices will come down

    • @konsolidated
      @konsolidated Рік тому +4

      @@foolpersona_ anyone even considering a 4xxx card doesn't want a playstation

  • @kcgunesq
    @kcgunesq Рік тому +34

    I was willing to go up to $750-800 for an upgrade, but not for a 60 or 70 class card. So I pulled the trigger on a 6800xt (new) for $520 last week. I'm confident that I got as much performance as I could reasonable get within the price range I was willing to consider. Plus, for the first time, I don't have an Nvidia.

    • @OhMyKMPR
      @OhMyKMPR Рік тому +10

      Same! Bought a 6750XT last week, upgrading from a GTX 1060. RTX 3070-level rasterization performance for €150 less than the Nvidia card here in Europe. It's my first AMD card since the ATI HD 5870 and it's a fucking solid card for sub-500 Euros. I mostly play WoW, GTA V and MSFS2020 and the RX6750XT runs all those games at 4K with a much higher framerate than my old GTX 1060 could ever achieve at 1080p.

    • @LoveleshKalonia
      @LoveleshKalonia Рік тому

      @@OhMyKMPR Is it a good card for Video Editing too?

    • @DeeDee.Ranged
      @DeeDee.Ranged Рік тому +4

      @@LoveleshKalonia Depends on the editing software you want/are using. Software companies are now taking AMD videocards more serious and have gained performance. The AMD RX 7000 series cards are going to be way better than previous generation for hardware specs.

    • @LoveleshKalonia
      @LoveleshKalonia Рік тому +1

      @@DeeDee.Ranged I use Premiere Pro and Photoshop basically. Also After Effects sometimes.
      I am currently using RX460 2Gig 🤐 and desperately need an upgrade for 4K Editing as you can probably guess.
      I have kept it for over 6 years now, I will be keeping the new card for the similiar or longer period of time.
      I game occassionally and would need something powerful enough to drive my 1440 165Hz monitor.
      Can you suggest me something?

    • @GENKI_INU
      @GENKI_INU Рік тому +3

      @@LoveleshKalonia If you do professional work, I recommend sticking with Nvidia cards in general. With AMD, I've run into multiple issues on an RX 5700XT with Premiere, and with their not-great GPU capture/encoder.
      Nvidia usually have better driver/software stability and compatibility if you are doing GPU-based rendering (video, VFX), or have workloads/plugins that might need CUDA cores. Also, certain AI-based workloads like the popular Stable Diffusion need CUDA cores to run, so if you are interested in exploring AI, or AI art in general, AMD won't provide that for you.
      Right now, buying used RTX 3090's can be a good deal, which can found at around $700-$750 USD. They are particularly good for productivity because of the massive 24GB buffer, and you will NEVER have to worry about video memory issues in ANY workload or game.

  • @nipa5961
    @nipa5961 Рік тому +92

    The 6900/6950XT cards never looked more compelling than right after watching the 4090/4080 reviews.

    • @xIcarus227
      @xIcarus227 Рік тому +13

      Not only that, there's also the new cards coming soon. I hope AMD slaps the crap out of Nvidia's greedy little hands.

    • @CoRy35744
      @CoRy35744 Рік тому +9

      Just bought a XFX 6900XT for $650.. so yeah

    • @marcopriori302
      @marcopriori302 Рік тому +1

      I have a Sapphire one and its a good card.
      The only flaws are: worse thermals than these new Nvidias and ray tracing ( i dont care about ray tracing)

  • @Pimpchimp1000
    @Pimpchimp1000 Рік тому +60

    So true on the CPU comparison, I went from an 8700k to a 12700kf more P cores then having E cores making it miles ahead in performance and the 12th gen chip cost me $30 LESS than the 8th gen.

    • @MLWJ1993
      @MLWJ1993 Рік тому +4

      Alder Lake is good value, as was zen 3. Zen 4 while not phenomenal is great compared to this... 😅

    • @ichdiemichdie4946
      @ichdiemichdie4946 Рік тому +2

      im going to go from 9th to 13th, so basically 6 cores to 14 cores

    • @mirceastan4618
      @mirceastan4618 Рік тому

      True, with one caveat - CPUs have such huge margins that it's much easier to do such achievements compared to the GPU market.
      That doesn't change the fact that this 4080 is absolutely horribly priced.

  • @NewWave3313
    @NewWave3313 Рік тому +19

    Thanks for being truthful and giving us all the real and raw information about this card, where other channels don’t seem to care that it’s insanely overpriced. Definitely taking your reviews and information to heart. Keep up the good work!

  • @piereligiodisante
    @piereligiodisante Рік тому +26

    I bought a 3080 for 730€, when I would have paid 1600€ for the 4080. I think I made a good deal. I did my calculations before the reviews and made a good estimation of its power and efficiency. It's a great card, but I simply am not comfortable to spend that much money on a GPU in this economy.

    • @netsoldier363
      @netsoldier363 Рік тому +1

      And I got rtx 3080ti for 815 €

    • @piereligiodisante
      @piereligiodisante Рік тому

      @@netsoldier363 that's very good. I paid a little more than the best deals because I wanted a founders edition, it looks so good ahah

  • @supergrendel
    @supergrendel Рік тому +521

    That 4080 should have launched at $799. Now THAT would have been something.

    • @TyGamer125
      @TyGamer125 Рік тому +54

      Hardware Unboxed near the end of their review did cost/frame analysis at msrp and at $900 and it actually made sense at $900. I agree somewhere in the $800-900 range would have made this review's tone completely different.

    • @Matticitt
      @Matticitt Рік тому +63

      Even at $1000 it would've been expensive but acceptable. At $1200 it's worse value than the 4090 which is just a joke.

    • @ayjie6829
      @ayjie6829 Рік тому +15

      Ppl that just baught a 3080ti a year ago would feel robbed

    • @djorgen
      @djorgen Рік тому +17

      I bought a 3080 for $800. I might have considered 4080 for $800-900.

    • @ayjie6829
      @ayjie6829 Рік тому +1

      @@djorgen yea that go for about 1000 second hand in Australia

  • @gl0tchdj
    @gl0tchdj Рік тому +76

    I like how almost every NVIDIA card in the comparison charts is an EVGA card.

    • @khaledm.1476
      @khaledm.1476 Рік тому +14

      Evga is just that good, also probably the most popular brand in NA for Aibs

    • @behindthen0thing
      @behindthen0thing Рік тому +2

      thanks for watching. for watching.

    • @ScottBonner
      @ScottBonner Рік тому +4

      I'm guessing EVGA was generous with sending out reviewer cards.

    • @robosergTV
      @robosergTV Рік тому

      @@behindthen0thing dolboeb

    • @nervsouly
      @nervsouly Рік тому +2

      @@khaledm.1476 buuuuut their cards were the only ones getting killed by the New World server queue uncapped framerate disaster.

  • @treedoor
    @treedoor Рік тому +16

    I miss the days when you could expect low end at $150, mid range at $300, high end at $500, and ultra high end at $700.
    Now I have to cover my eyes before the price of new cards is revealed.

    • @yurimodin7333
      @yurimodin7333 Рік тому

      Almost everything under $500 is previous gen/used market. No reason to build cards there when we have 10million mining cards flooding the used market.

    • @tylerdurden3722
      @tylerdurden3722 Рік тому +2

      The problem is, no one trule made high end cards back and "high end cards" had normal performance, because normal performance was enough for games.
      There were exceptions E.g. AMD tried making a few monster cards back in the day, and those cost up to $1500 way back then (now add inflation to that). Nvidia made one or two of these too. This died out becuase it was overkill, they cost a fortune and the powerconsumption/efficiency was ludicrous (kinda like the practicality of a Bugatti is ludicrous).
      Then both AMD went back to the old undistorted lineup. But Nvidia kept making ludicrous cards (though slightly dailed back...to seem more sensible).
      Soon, AMD's high end cards were wrongly being called "mid-range cards"
      To get back to how things were, the ludicrous cards have to be rwmoved from the lineup. The 4080 and 4090 needs to be not manufactured.
      The 4070 should be renamed the 4080 and made the flagship. And then they need to stop indreasing die sizes or moving closed to cutting edge nodes...they need to go back to using the current older cheaper nodes, like they used to (cutting edge nodes are expensive).
      And they need to simplify design and cooling again, to something cheap looking like it used to be.
      And cheap VRAM.
      ...then you will get your wish and things will be as they were again.

    • @hoggernogger9402
      @hoggernogger9402 Рік тому

      did u forget inflation brought wages, cost of living and overall prices up

  • @Raider_MXD
    @Raider_MXD Рік тому +52

    Considering the unreasonable prices I'll stick with my 5700XT that I wanted to replace for a while longer.

    • @kunstderfugue
      @kunstderfugue Рік тому +14

      It's not like games devs can make use of the power of a 4080 or 4090 in their game because the vast majority of gamers won't have one. These new GPUs are halo products, and will be bought by hundred times less people than the $200 class of cards which right now is comprised of only old hardware.

    • @foureye7058
      @foureye7058 Рік тому +2

      I got a good deal on the ridiculous XFX thiccc 3 ultra 5700XT ahead of the worst of the crisis and it's treated me really well. The vast majority of games I play are still CPU bound.
      Not sure what exact model, but the absolute highest spec of that weird multi-generation partner card stack.

    • @loowick4074
      @loowick4074 Рік тому +5

      I'll hang onto my 1050ti till it fossilises.

    • @demonwares
      @demonwares Рік тому +2

      Just get a 3080, can't beat that for price/performance. It'll hold you for 3+ years

    • @Raider_MXD
      @Raider_MXD Рік тому +6

      @@demonwares I assume the new generation is so overpriced because Nvidia wants to get rid of its stock of 30xx GPUs, but considering that those still are sold for more than the launch MSRP even though they are two years old I I'd have to be insane to go for that.

  • @Vantrakter
    @Vantrakter Рік тому +27

    I really like how you phrased buying a card of the previous generation if it can do what you want, starting at ~ 24:30 . Additionally this price/perf stagnation won't end until people start doing just that.

    • @behindthen0thing
      @behindthen0thing Рік тому

      thanks for watching. for watching.

    • @option_n
      @option_n Рік тому

      @Vantrakter Fully agree!

    • @SB-mr2nk
      @SB-mr2nk Рік тому +2

      Oh believe you me, there's literally millions of gpu consumers who are sitting here just waiting. I still have my 5700xt and have yet to see any reason to upgrade. It's been nice, extra cash in my pocket. At some point competition will come along and an actual improvement will be available. Then I'll buy.

  • @johnperish
    @johnperish Рік тому +39

    I really can't wait to see the xtx reviews. If they can get 3080 RT performance I may go full red rig for the first time since the phenom II days...

    • @alexg9155
      @alexg9155 Рік тому +1

      @@Alexandra-ek7kh The XTX will match the 3090TI in RT, not the 4080. The 4080 will unfortunately be ahead.

    • @summushieremiasclarkson4700
      @summushieremiasclarkson4700 Рік тому +2

      Do not expect good RT performance, I can tell you this much even before the launch. But otherwise, solid card. Still overpriced like hell though, it should be at least $150 cheaper. THe 4080 costing 2x what it should does not excuse the 7900xt(x) costing 1.5x what it should.

  • @14waffles
    @14waffles Рік тому +2

    This is great, would also love if you compared the thermals against previous gen too, since some of us are also looking for improved thermals, on top of performance, power consumption and price.

  • @mm-yt8sf
    @mm-yt8sf Рік тому +96

    GN: a 1-1 performance is stagnation
    nvidia: a 1-1 is the golden ratio we shoot for 🙂

    • @nathanlarson6535
      @nathanlarson6535 Рік тому +5

      @Nobody it’s actually slightly worse than the “1:1 stagnation” lol

    • @martine5923
      @martine5923 Рік тому +1

      @Nobody you are forgetting at this rate the 4090 has better price to performance making the 4080 look stupid af with its price
      Not to mention even 7900xt will probably beat it at 200USD less

    • @EEE-ro5px
      @EEE-ro5px Рік тому +3

      @Nobody TBF, $700 two years ago is equal to a little over $800 when adjusted for inflation, so it’s about 49% more adjusted for inflation. Of course, that is not an excuse for Nvidia’s BS.
      Edit: Steve literally addressed this in the video, I just hadn’t watched to that point yet.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Рік тому +14

      @Nobody It was 1-1 in a few charts. It's better in some, like RT, favoring Nvidia. It's worse in some rasterization, contributing to our complaints. 1-to-1 is just a rough statement of the average. We didn't caveat it every time.

    • @GuidoDePalma
      @GuidoDePalma Рік тому +1

      @@GamersNexus PS: you still don't test WQHD

  • @ThomasHempel
    @ThomasHempel Рік тому +60

    Totally agree with the "it don't always has to be the latest and greatest" mantra. Just bought a used 3080 TI from a dude that bought a 4090 on day one. Pretty happy with it! :-) After the mess with the availability of the 30 series, I was certain I would skip that generation and get a shiny 40 something... But the prices are so ridiulous. 4090 start at around 2400€ here in Germany. It's insane!

    • @hardwatermaniac
      @hardwatermaniac Рік тому +2

      Nice i did the same thing buddy got the 4090 day one. I bought his couple month old evga 3080ti ftw. Tbh its just in the closet I havnt installed it yet either ahah but its literally brand new. Buddies number 1 in Canada on benchmarks, takes care of his stuff better than anyone I know.

    • @rangersmith4652
      @rangersmith4652 Рік тому +10

      Already we see 4080s on ebay for $1600 US and up. I just ordered a brand new 6800XT for under $540. Playing my favorite game, FFXIV, at 4k, the 6800XT will provide half the performance of the 4090 for 1/5 of its current retail price and 2/3 the performance of the 4080 for 1/3 the scalper price. And it'll be a 33% improvement over my 2080Ti. Buying a brand new graphics card that's one generation in arrears provides value out the wazoo, at least for this release.

    • @xIcarus227
      @xIcarus227 Рік тому +7

      In a similar situation here. Bought a 1080Ti back in the day, skipped the 2000 series because it was a joke, skipped 3000 because of availability and now it feels like Nvidia's fking kidding me. Hope AMD's cards teach them a few lessons in humbleness this time around.

    • @berrydex
      @berrydex Рік тому

      Yeah, all the American reviewers talking about the insane pricing, but indeed in the EU pricing is way higher. I'll stick with my 3080 for now, which I bought for 799 Euro. Hopefully the 5080 will be priced better

    • @patrickbateman7444
      @patrickbateman7444 Рік тому

      @@hardwatermaniac Lol, you have any idea how you get to "number 1" in benchmarking? Not by "taking care of your stuff", you noob

  • @depression_daily
    @depression_daily Рік тому +139

    I was going to say "Nvidia has lost its mind" but then I realized that was the title of this video. Really nailed it with this one

    • @KpK1Cioby
      @KpK1Cioby Рік тому

      yea they lost their minds, I mean how dare they sell a product that's 30% better by increasing the price by 30%????
      In the past they did 10% performance increases and called for 200-500$ more. They really lost their minds. Or you guys are fucking stupid. The few exceptions were when they released titans and then 80ti which was usually cheaper but same or even better performance like 1080ti. So I feel you people are stupid or pretend the past GPUs never existed.

    • @LordLentils
      @LordLentils Рік тому +4

      They didn't lose their minds, they just know they have brainless fanboys that will buy this.

    • @sjneow
      @sjneow Рік тому

      I dont think the title means “mind”. I was thinking something along the line of shame and dignity

    • @veduci22
      @veduci22 Рік тому

      Nvidia still needs to sell their stock of 30xx cards so why introduce new generation that will beat it in price/performance?

    • @sjneow
      @sjneow Рік тому +1

      @@veduci22 like they did in every past generations, drop the price of old gen

  • @TampaGigWorker
    @TampaGigWorker 9 місяців тому +3

    It's around $2,600 for a 4090 and about $1,600 4080 cash December 2024 and about $550-$599 for a 4070 and 4070ti for about $799(both at 192bit bus).

  • @Pedone_Rosso
    @Pedone_Rosso Рік тому +190

    A 1 to 1 money vs performance increase is what you'd expect in a completely controlled market,
    like in a monopoly or an "agreeable" oligopoly situation, for example.
    Thanks for your videos!

    • @elmariachi5133
      @elmariachi5133 Рік тому +2

      The question remains, why AMD doesn't try to compete through pricing anymore ... maybe the FTC is too focussed on enterprises like Meta and Apple ..

    • @MooKyTig
      @MooKyTig Рік тому +18

      @@elmariachi5133 But, they do... I mean it was crystal clear from the video that the 6950 beats the 4080 on price/performance. Steve made that blatantly clear.
      And yes, the 7900xt(x) isn't released yet, but even if it slightly underperforms what everyone expects, it's still going to beat the 4080 on price/performance for rasterization. To be fair we'll have to see on RT.

    • @sammiller6631
      @sammiller6631 Рік тому

      @@elmariachi5133 Does Facebook or Apple not deserve attention from FTC?

    • @Leynad778
      @Leynad778 Рік тому +1

      Just remember what graphicscard prices were at 12 months ago. Did the skalpers took the price difference or Nvidia/AMD? It makes perfect economical sense to put the price tag high this time and reduce them later if the demand diminish. Day one buyers mostly pay any price anyway and the factual prices will depend on the demand. If the Bitcoin goes up again, even unlikely, the prices might even increase or stay the same and if not and the demand is too low, selling cards below retail prices coming.

    • @elmariachi5133
      @elmariachi5133 Рік тому

      @@sammiller6631 Did I say so? (As you seem to have trouble with interpreting language: This was a rhetorical question, just like your's because I obviously did NOT!) But mine neither is suggestive, nor does it result from intentional misinterpretation.

  • @Godlyhank
    @Godlyhank Рік тому +91

    I can see the 7900xt and xtx truly making this card DOA.

    • @TangoOne
      @TangoOne Рік тому +32

      If the performance is anything close to what they are saying it is it will for sure. $200 cheaper base price and 8gb more memory just for starters... and no proprietary power plug.

    • @drewg8334
      @drewg8334 Рік тому +10

      @@mannyvicev the 6900xt is better than the 3080ti lmao

    • @trashlikeu36
      @trashlikeu36 Рік тому

      @@drewg8334 Cant say 6900x is better
      more like a equal
      Dx12 and vulkan are yes while in Dx11 and Ray are Nah
      And fsr 2.1 still has not many game support

    • @drewg8334
      @drewg8334 Рік тому +2

      @@trashlikeu36 you're missing the point friend, even if that was the case, how would the 7900xtx be on par with a 3080ti when the 6900xt is the same or better?

    • @MooKyTig
      @MooKyTig Рік тому

      @@drewg8334 You didn't talk about the 7900. You stated something about the 6900 vs 3080ti. He responded. He was correct. Now, you're now moving the goalposts.

  • @jellowiggler
    @jellowiggler Рік тому +16

    I forgot to say thank you to GN, and all the reviewers for standing up and saying "This is pricing stupid!". I hope it makes a difference.

  • @M.Godfrey
    @M.Godfrey Рік тому +4

    Got a 4080 and it’s great

  • @moltenbullet
    @moltenbullet Рік тому +87

    As long as there are enough people who will buy this, even if it means digging deep, the upward price movement will never stop. I think companies really woke up to this mentality in recent years - make your customers dig deep and PAY, and if they can't pay, compell them until they do, and if they still can't pay, someone else in some under-tapped market sure can.

    • @xInsane333x
      @xInsane333x Рік тому +10

      I think about how much money Diablo Immortal has made and that these new Nvidia GPUs will sell out and fear for the future.

    • @Richard-tj1yh
      @Richard-tj1yh Рік тому +5

      Everything will sell out if u artificially limit supply to achieve that

    • @bryzeer5075
      @bryzeer5075 Рік тому

      It'll sell out in 2 minutes tomorrow and stay selling out for a long time.

    • @mexifry222
      @mexifry222 Рік тому

      Pretty much why I quit gaming. Game companies adopted this strategy 10 years ago.

    • @neoasura
      @neoasura Рік тому

      @@xInsane333x It just means people complaining are just a small vocal minority.

  • @jonahhekmatyar
    @jonahhekmatyar Рік тому +45

    Considering 4090s are still selling for $2000+ everywhere online maybe these will only cost $1600 like the 4090 was supposed to

    • @arveen1362
      @arveen1362 Рік тому +1

      Highly probable

    • @KpK1Cioby
      @KpK1Cioby Рік тому +14

      blame the rich kids that buy scalper prices

    • @ChaosKnuxxx
      @ChaosKnuxxx Рік тому +4

      Just get a 7900XTX. I can't see it doing much worse than a 4090 if at all. Could buy a new system for the difference in price

    • @cts006
      @cts006 Рік тому +3

      Ive yet to actually see a 4090 for sale on an online retailer that was not a marked up unit sold by a marketplace seller. Has there even been a restock since launch?

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 Рік тому +3

      Holy s, they're still scalping cards even without crypto?

  • @KingZeusCLE
    @KingZeusCLE Рік тому +102

    Looking forward to what AMD can offer around the $5-600 mark. I've always loved my Nvidia cards, I'm running a 3080 currently, but they're doing is simply anti consumer.

    • @nickhirsbrunner4694
      @nickhirsbrunner4694 Рік тому +2

      If I had to guess the 7700 XT will be $600 and the 7700 will be $500 7700 XT if rumors are true is 10% faster than the 6950 XT and the 7700 will probably be on par with a 6950 XT, but for $500.

    • @dzenan6318
      @dzenan6318 Рік тому

      just dont be a consumer and be a producer instead.

    • @saulghim2661
      @saulghim2661 Рік тому

      If Intel can offer a 16GB VRAM card for $350 (even if it's partly because the card is weaker in DX9-11), then I hope their RX 7700XT can offer it too. I'm expecting it to cost ~$550, given that all GPUs seem to be getting a rather unwelcome price bump across the board.

    • @fettuccine723
      @fettuccine723 Рік тому +1

      I got a 3080ti for $600, kinda sucks my only option for upgrading (something worth it, not like 5 to 10 FPS ) is going to be at least $900, plus when I had a 5700 XT I got stuttering all over the place and the game is crashing all the time, in another life the 4090 would be $700 lmao

    • @TheFluffyKitty
      @TheFluffyKitty Рік тому +13

      Keep your 3080. No need to upgrade so quickly.

  • @Retrospads
    @Retrospads Рік тому +51

    So much truth, thanks GN!
    When the majority (90+%) of gamers play on 1080 with most who have 75hz monitors, not many need anything more than a 1660 right now. I just managed a 6800xt for $400 brand new, but I was still on a 970 myself.
    Love the videos, thanks!

    • @lordmoos3
      @lordmoos3 Рік тому +5

      Are you me? I just replaced a 970 with a 6750xt. :)
      It should be a bit of a performance boost.

    • @samysdefer
      @samysdefer Рік тому +4

      We plays on a 75hz monitor? 😂

    • @Retrospads
      @Retrospads Рік тому

      @@lordmoos3 real close!

    • @Retrospads
      @Retrospads Рік тому +4

      @@samysdefer we play*
      And yes, the majority of gamers can't afford more than enough to manage above 60fps at 1080 due to the cost of GPUs and other hardware.
      Not sure where it's funny, unless you've some data to otherwise refute my statement, you just look foolish ;)

    • @Makifo
      @Makifo Рік тому

      Sounds like a bottleneck on the Users. Why stop innovating because people are slow to better displays? Thats one the of the best upgrades you can get.

  • @scottlayne6143
    @scottlayne6143 Рік тому +16

    Still rocking my 1080ti to this day, but im moving on to the 7900xtx. The bang for my buck intrigue is too strong to not go with AMD this time around. Either its gonna do well or its just gonna push me personally to pay the nvidia premium, i just wish more people were willing to make the jump to hopefully check nvidia on their prices!

    • @miqotelover
      @miqotelover Рік тому +1

      1080ti is still a beast if you don't need the ray tracing. Card runs great in my Alienware Aurora R7, always stays around 80C when I'm gaming at 144hz on 1080p.

    • @behindthen0thing
      @behindthen0thing Рік тому

      thanks for watching. for watching.

    • @granthampson5917
      @granthampson5917 Рік тому +1

      I think you will be pleasantly surprises as an Nvidia high end buyer generationaly(including 3090) and a 6900XT. I love my 6900XT!

  • @Afjoo2Toshe
    @Afjoo2Toshe Рік тому +23

    Yeah, I'm more than happy with 6800 XT that I bought a month ago

    • @edmac1090
      @edmac1090 Рік тому +5

      6800XT chews up anything at 1440p, as long as you don’t turn meme tracing on.

    • @TheAnoniemo
      @TheAnoniemo Рік тому +5

      Got the RX6800 second hand a couple months ago and I'm very pleased

    • @ChrisGrump
      @ChrisGrump Рік тому +4

      Agreed. Just bought a 3060 Ti (from a small RX 580) and it works perfectly fine on every game i have. No need for these overpriced wastes of material that is the 4000 series.

    • @gwynnblade9160
      @gwynnblade9160 Рік тому +2

      In a similar spot, have a 6900XT I put on water. More or less is equal to a 3090 with the monster overclock on it. Hopefully will go the 7900 XTX route here soon, but we must wait and see. And hope for the best, competition makes everything better for us consumers.

    • @Gatorade69
      @Gatorade69 Рік тому +1

      @@edmac1090 Meme tracing !? How dare you ! Raytracing is the future of the industry, EVERYONE cares about it !

  • @skylineguy376
    @skylineguy376 Рік тому +10

    Performance per dollar really needs pushed back into consumer's faces. Too many people get caught up on marginal increases in performance to see if they really are getting a measured improvement over their current system, or if they simply are willing to put more money into their hobby now. Bought my 3070 for $480 when the prices really dipped late summer around here (local store). I absolutely knew there would be no point waiting for this gen with the way the prices would launch. Probably would have ended up paying 3 times the cost of the 3070 for a 4080... 3 times the performance? NOT

  • @Slane583
    @Slane583 Рік тому +7

    It looks like the RX 6900XT & 6950XT still have some very impressive performance to them. I think I'm still going to stick to my main goal of getting one of those over the RX 7900XTX. I'll wait on that and see how well it's doing once it's been out for a few months. I've even looked at the RX 6800XT as an alternative but there's still versions of that going for the same price as some 6900XT's. Getting a 6900/6950XT will finally give me a reason to invest in a 4K monitor.
    As far as cpu's go I was originally going for a 5800X3D but they kept selling out before I could buy one. So I just said F'it and bought a 5900X for the same price. It's not as fast in games but now I have more compute and processing ability for future tasks I might want to give a try. I wouldn't mind giving some 3D printing a try in the future. :)

    • @Norinia
      @Norinia Рік тому +1

      No stick it out for the RX 7000 series! They announced recently (I think especially at time of your post) that they were going to release the best of their new cards for the same damn price as previous 6900 XT tier
      Don’t cheat yourself out of performance by moving too quick! If it’s the same or a hundred extra (doubt they’ll do any sales for the old cards that will be a decent saving) wait, save, and go for the bigger one!

    • @Slane583
      @Slane583 Рік тому +1

      @@Norinia Seeing as all of the better priced 6950XT's are all sold out currently it's looking like I'm going to have to wait anyway. All that is left are the units being sold by price gouging third markets and I'm not giving them anything. I still need to put in a better power supply before I can even run any big cards. As much as I want a new graphics card a psu and Xmas are more important right now. :)

  • @dariyanvalentine3564
    @dariyanvalentine3564 Рік тому +24

    i would love to see GN do some VR tests with all these cards.

    • @behindthen0thing
      @behindthen0thing Рік тому

      thanks for watching. for watching.

    • @iprfenix
      @iprfenix Рік тому +7

      VR tests are kinda hard to do. Not all, but a lot of VR games now employ automatic resolution scaling to avoid low fps motion sickness. Rather than testing FPS you'd want an AI to do pixel counting to determine how often the game lowers the resolution. Not an easy or fun thing to test.

    • @chronicalcultivation
      @chronicalcultivation Рік тому

      VR runs buttery smooth on midrange cards from last gen, testing it with the new high end would be a waste of resources.

  • @Shimazaki00
    @Shimazaki00 Рік тому +137

    Nvidia is so in love with their premium status, that they are becoming the apple of GPU's!

    • @macd7743
      @macd7743 Рік тому +8

      Unfortunately, the GPU market doesn't have nearly as adequate competition as the mobile phone market. (This notion is not meant as a dig at AMD.)

    • @Maxime-ho9iv
      @Maxime-ho9iv Рік тому +1

      Except what you get with an iPhone is arguably a lot more in terms of value.
      Also, they don’t sell as much GPU as Apple is selling iPhone..

    • @ethan-fel
      @ethan-fel Рік тому +3

      @@Maxime-ho9iv If you are only gaming yeah. But if you do more with your GPU (ML, Rendering etc) sadly Nvidia's cards value is a lot higher than AMD's. They aren't even in the same league. Everything is made for Nvidia in every compute task.

    • @RickBeacham
      @RickBeacham Рік тому +1

      Except APPLE's product has way better value. GPU is in the main processor(more powerful less energy usage) and you get a new OS X version. Not well optimized for OPENGL or DIRECTX as we know... What is NVIDIA giving their customers? Its the same ole same ole. I do not see anything new with NVIDIA. On the other hand - I'm still using my old macbook from 10 years ago. I still can use my PS3 and PS4. But that old $600 dollar NVIDIA GPU from 10 years ago... its collecting dust.

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat Рік тому +1

      Except that Apple is making somewhat competitive phones and laptops and not going insane with pricing. Nvidia is doing worse here.

  • @RelaxedKiller
    @RelaxedKiller Рік тому +8

    I bought a 3080 today to replace my rx 480. You're right on choosing for my needs instead of buying the latest if it's double the price.

  • @tk72231968
    @tk72231968 Рік тому +36

    While as a gamer, I'm happy there are new GPU's to help progress the quality and enjoyment of games...I hope that Nvidia(and by extension partners) find themselves with a lot of extra stock sitting on shelves. With the direction of the world economy, I think this might be very likely after the initial release surge.

    • @ChrisGrump
      @ChrisGrump Рік тому +1

      All these prices are doing is keep people from playing games. Only the rich can afford this crap. Good thing consoles exist.

    • @spoonikle
      @spoonikle Рік тому +4

      @@ChrisGrump - Same issue with consoles. They are cheaper than the cheapest PC for sure - but their only “available” in “rich”nations and the prices in “Over Exploited” nations are 2x-3x MSRP

    • @polishKGB
      @polishKGB Рік тому +3

      @@ChrisGrump way out of pocket here. Consoles should never be equitable to PC

    • @kentaronagame7529
      @kentaronagame7529 Рік тому +1

      @@ChrisGrump Na they're not keeping us from playing games they're keeping us from the newest shiniest toys but we can play games just fine. I got a new 6800XT Red Devil for $400 not too long ago via a rare opportunity and it does 1440p utra 144fps just fine in blockbuster games except cyberpenis. Don't need any of the new or overpriced junk.
      I built a rig my for cousin 2 weeks ago using a 6650XT Merc. Costed $329. He plays at 1080p ultra well over 144fps, and emulates a bunch of stuff like Switch, WiiU, PS3 etc with no issues. I've even seen some in the $200 bracket today. We have cards now, it's just up to you whether or not you want to buy it or keep letting companies like Nvidia jerk you around like a donkey chasing a carrot.

  • @Kai_K
    @Kai_K Рік тому +20

    Can't wait to see this card on ebay in 2-3 years for actually sane prices. Nvidia will justify the price by saying "Well, we could sell it as a Quadro and make 8 times as much money. But we are being generous by letting you have it for only $1200."

  • @justinbooth5056
    @justinbooth5056 Рік тому +30

    With gaming developers seemingly stuck making remakes, the crypto market crashed, and month 6/7 of a recession. I have no idea who these cards are for.

    • @Lead1121
      @Lead1121 Рік тому +5

      People with a lot of disposable income or people who do nothing but game and work. Idk about anyone else but my grocery prices have gone up $200 a month extra for the same amount I was getting a year ago. I can’t afford to even save let alone spend money on this stuff at that price

    • @eviction.notice
      @eviction.notice Рік тому

      3d work? lol i need 24gb

    • @iknowmyname7
      @iknowmyname7 Рік тому

      Companies using gpus for workflows

    • @TheRedRaven_
      @TheRedRaven_ Рік тому

      Lol
      Edit: Oh, almost forgot FSR 2.1 just dropped lol

    • @TehBananaBread
      @TehBananaBread Рік тому

      Entire world is trying to become influencers. All those people needs pcs to edit / retouch etc.

  • @Gibs007
    @Gibs007 Рік тому +17

    My last 4 cards were all nvidia cards, with the high prices, I was convinced by a friend to get a amd card and I am loving it, I edit on a rx 6600xt (which is not a new card)and game on it too with no problems, I don’t even miss cuda my renders on davinci resolve are fast and very good, for now I am team red👍🏾

    • @lilkwarrior5561
      @lilkwarrior5561 Рік тому

      Do not be loyal to any company as a mere consumer. This Team Green and Red BS done by grown adults is very cringey to me. This is why the market is what it is right now in the first place. AMD needs to do better to compete against Nvidia's encoders, CUDA, Optix, and ray-tracing for far more high-end creative professionals to make meaningful switches to their cards. AMD can do it but they made those cards exclusive to Apple's Mac Pro.

    • @BeautifulAngelBlossom
      @BeautifulAngelBlossom Рік тому

      I got RX570 8G and Ryzen davinci resolve is wicked fast on 4K Videos also i 1080p games i run them maxed out no issues this my first all AMD Computer i never going back

    • @namanhlehoang9999
      @namanhlehoang9999 Рік тому

      @@lilkwarrior5561 you're right. Shilling or rooting any company isn't good thing tbh. And to me, the smart-ass thing is the most cringe. Especially everytime people said they sastified with amd card for whatsoever reasons. Some guy will come up and told not to be loyal to any company ectt,.. As if that guy never bought overpriced card. It's very cringe to tell AMD user to be money-wise or be a wise-customer since i can say AMD stuff is always cheaper when compared to Nvidia in same segment. I have been using Nvidia card since i buy my first gig back in 2012. I skipped 2000s series and after 3000s series bs then this generation nuclear reation card. I'm pretty sure that i will go for amd card for my next gig.

    • @lilkwarrior5561
      @lilkwarrior5561 Рік тому +1

      @@namanhlehoang9999 There’s more to a card’s value than initial sticker price-this is especially true to a wide variety of the GPU market that includes people who gets the same cards for productivity and to save time such as creative and AI professionals.
      Bar of performance reached towards satisfactions (hedons) is a factor especially true for 4K+ gamers and those that want GPUs optimized for current-gen-console exclusives and what game devs want to use more that Nvidia tends to lead, massively commercializes (innovates), or supports the most towards being able to justify their higher prices that enough of the market is willing to pay-before and after cryptocrashes

    • @namanhlehoang9999
      @namanhlehoang9999 Рік тому

      @@lilkwarrior5561 you’re right. No doubt about it. But taking into account on how many RTX or RX counterpart segment buyer is actually looking High-End and Productivity. How many can afford 1500$ at least to get top-notch at performance or training AI, 3D modeling, CAD. And that is only the GPU, not counting the case, psu, cpu since it can be bottlenecked, and the electricity bill. On the other side, Amd or intel cpu can last you several generations. Then the scenario will be, if you don’t care about overpriced then pay for performance which is low diminishing return. If you’re into proficiency, performance per watts then go for the bang for buck stuffs.
      Since gpu is still at development state which means after each generation there will be a lot of thing to be done by gpu. But because of that, if i pay for top-notch Nvidia GPU, is it sure that will last me for several generations or i’m will keep paying each generations? Ain’t nobody know whether Nvidia hold their technology for each generation to milk buyer each generation or not? So to me, I don’t care about how good, or how innovative these card, either Nvidia or AMD. I buy based on my demands, my needs. I’m not into tripple a games, so DLSS or fake frame generates is meaningless for me. I mostly play old rpg game like Oblivion and Skyrim with a lot of mods, my job is data analyst and I’m pretty sure Nvidia price this generation based on Machine Learning potential. So my next gpu for my new gig will be AMD. And the funniest part is though I skipped 3000s series. I still got a 3080ti 12gb from a guy who is scalpers for 975 bucks back in July because i heard many people say Amd card can’t run Blender well. With that i can say i stay neutral toward both NVIDIA and AMD, not rooting or boyscotting any of these two company. I pay less for more, and not into pay more for less.

  • @maximilianmorse9697
    @maximilianmorse9697 Рік тому +52

    Just clicked and I already know this is gonna be great

    • @Bunster
      @Bunster Рік тому +2

      get the popcorn

    • @rare6499
      @rare6499 Рік тому +1

      Classic banger

  • @joshg9258
    @joshg9258 Рік тому +5

    I managed to grab a 3080 fe at the end of March, right before availability picked up. Once it did I started to question my purchase slightly. Ever since the 40 series launch, I feel better about my purchase each day.

  • @calebbaldwin357
    @calebbaldwin357 Рік тому +4

    Just got my XFX 6900XT Swft 319 in today, $650. Beast of a card, coming from a 1080. I'm set.

  • @vegasx07
    @vegasx07 Рік тому +4

    Will be keeping my 3080ti that I got for $650 new, crushes it in every game I use and even kills it in cyberpunk 2077 with Raytracing at 1440p. If RTX 4080 comes down to $800ish then I’d consider but will skip this generation likely

  • @peterhoran4939
    @peterhoran4939 Рік тому +13

    Great review. I love it when reviewers aren't scared to say it how it is.

  • @derptyderp5287
    @derptyderp5287 Рік тому +16

    It's amazing that they can completely "unlaunch" a product about a month before launch... But their prices were clearly locked in during the Cypto boom boom and they never managed to update them.

  • @grasz
    @grasz Рік тому +9

    The 6950 looks real nice south of $800 and 7800/7900 looks even more appealing.

  • @nisx2012
    @nisx2012 Рік тому +56

    Pretty disappointing results for a card that cost this much... It makes 4090 looks like a good deal. 😂

    • @ThaAlumniMusicGroup
      @ThaAlumniMusicGroup Рік тому +8

      No it isn’t. It’s priced this way to force people to buy a 30series card or get the 4090. The performance is where it needs to be unlike the 3080 vs 3090 that made the 3090 look like a joke at the price point. Nvidia learned their lesson with that. Edit: this guy edited his original comment by adding the last part once we told him why it’s priced like this.

    • @rare6499
      @rare6499 Рік тому +16

      I think that’s the point - Nvidia WANT people to look at this and see poor value thus pushing them in to a 4090 which makes them the most money.

    • @Fheara_Nyakki
      @Fheara_Nyakki Рік тому

      Because thats their plan and what this scum greedy company want. I pity all this ngreedia fanboy, I go amd this time, the gtx1080 mark the end with ngreedia.

    •  Рік тому +10

      No, it makes both of them look like a bad deal.

    • @Pers0n97
      @Pers0n97 Рік тому +5

      Thats the point.
      They use the 4080 as a price anchor to either jump directly to 4090 or buy their stocks of 3090.