I don't get the dad part always about those comments? Are your kids 24/7 helicoptered by American parents like literally every second the eyes are on them and you interact with them every second you can? He can be gaming or reading/watching on your tablet/phone while his kid plays with the toys or siblings, watches TV whatever or is with the mother? I don't get those comments, do you try to keep them busy every millisecond of your life so they're not even one millisecond alone and not busy?
I bought a 4090 and have no regrets. Gamer dad with more money than time right now so if I'm going to only get to play 30 min a day, I want to really enjoy it. I played with a lower end card for a long time and the secret to still enjoying myself was turning off the FPS counter :D
I game in 4K with my Gigabyte RTX4080 OC 16GB with ray tracing when available and have set the GPU to do no more than 60 FPS, as my 70 inch tv in 4k is only 60Hz/60FPS. I always get a smooth 60 FPS with all games, 1 frame may drop to 59FPS once in a blue moon, but otherwise it's great for me as I don't play fast FPS shooter games. Running the 4080 like I do, I'm lucky to hit 55 degrees on the GPU and CPU, and even with the graphics settings maxed out, I'm lucky to hit over 200watts unless I turn on Ray tracing too. I'm not even making this card break a sweat at all by stopping it from creating frames I will not use (GPU set to 60FPS max), and that's without frame gen and without FSR or DLSS. It's a great GPU I recon and I'm very happy with it. Cheers
It's nice how the 3080 is still barely available at MSRP and the 4090 price/performance at MSRP is basically the same as the 3080, so no value improvement gen on gen
Scamvidia at play. They didn't launch a new generation, they just expanded Ampere into higher price tiers which may very well be their plan going forward.
Value was never really there with the 90 series cards, same as the Titans. They're halo cards for people who will pay whatever it costs to get the best. It's the 4080 that should be an improvement in price to performance over the 3080, and it most certainly isn't. That's why it's selling so poorly compared to everything else.
@@GuyFromJupiter Correct. The jump fro the 3080 to 4080 is something like 33% to 50%+ depending on the game, and even higher with Raytracing on. But Nvidia knows if the 4080 was priced at $800, they'd NEVER clear 3000 series stock. No one would buy the old shit when for a couple hundred more you're taking a generational leap at least.
I got an used Asus TUF rtx 3090 for 600 usd (used to be mining but still in very good condition). I was lucky. I couldnt imagine to spend more than 1000 usd to get a decent graphic card. The next gen graphic cards prices are insane. No matter AMD or Nvidia. I would stick on my used rtx 3090 for a very long time. Hopefully GPU matket would be different at that time
The 4090 FE is going for $3150 (2,336.51 USD) where I live, absolutely insane, I built my PC with my 3070 just almost 2 years ago now, I don't think an upgrade is needed anytime soon anyway but I really appreciate these benchmarks!
I was able ton get a 3090 for $900 the other day and stand by my decision to skip the 40XX series. This card will do me just fine especially since I do production creative work.
I'm writing this while still watching a video. I noticed that little bit of redness in your eye. We always appreciate your videos, you're crushing it lately and it's a pleasure to listen to you, but still we care about your health, if it's nothing serious then by all means ignore this, if not then I hope you get better soon and remember if you need a few days off to get some energy back then by all means do it, we don't want you to overdo it. It's been a blast seeing your channel grow, can't wait to see a video with yt play button plate. Ok back to the video now.
I noticed that eye too - and this guy said EXACTLY what I was about to say: Take care of yourself, man! You're doing great work here - but your health and well-being is more important than a bunch of guys on youtube. (Unless there maybe comes a point when you say goodbye to teaching and make this a full time gig? I coud see it happening.)
Thank you so much for this video! I have been watching almost all of your gpu videos since November and this one is definitely one of the most useful. I love the way you compared the performance in various different ways. You made me realize a lot of things about what I want versus what I actually need. I really enjoy how much effort you put into each video you make! Keep up the great work.
These are some important numbers and points that most GPU reviews, including even as detailed as GN doesn't necessarily cover in such a clear and balanced way.
Excellent job, Daniel. This must have take a while. Those % are very indicative of the relative performance, you don't see them very often (other than techpowerup). BTW, that 3080 is the 12 GB version, which is a bit more powerful than the regular 3080, close to the 3080Ti. A regular 10GB 3080 is slower and in VRAM intensive games it shows too.
@@VizioN-Scope Unless you run into some VRAM issues.. I'm debating to go with a relatively cheap upgrade from my 10GB 3080 to a 24GB 3090 just purely because of the VRAM aspect.
Bought an aorus master 3090 for 750 3 months ago. 3090 will last longer than 3080 with only 10gigs of VRAM. 3090 was the obvious choice. Plus I game at 4K, so that 24gigs of GDDR6X is gonna be needed. Upgraded from a 1080 Ti.
@@diarmuid4191 I sold my 3080 for £550 and bought a 4080 for £1150. £600 for DLSS 3, lower power consumption, and 30-40% improved frames for the next 2 years is acceptable. It is overpriced though.
Another important point to touch on is energy efficiency (Flops/W), which is much better for the 4000 series, owing mainly to the physics of employing smaller transistors, and as such provides an argument in favour of the newer technology. Bear in mind that GPU performance is mostly limited by power draw and heat dissipation, so a higher efficiency translates to higher frame rates for similar consumption. However, they can also be configured to deliver similar performance for lower consumption, which makes the newer technology more attractive, even if its peak performance capabilities were overkill (especially in places where environmental awareness and/or electricity costs are a thing...).
Great review, I love this channel. But what really gets me is that even if I bought a 4090 at a cost of £2k (I live in the UK) there are still some titles where I cant crank all the settings up at 4k including ray tracing and get over 60fps. That tells me that the market is broken.
@@stevechristensen1463 Cyberpunk, Callisto Protocol. So if there are already games like Cyberpunk which is 2 yrs old, which u cant play at 4k with RT on with flagship cards that came out 2yrs later, there is something broken. How will even the 4090 cope with games released over the next 2 yrs?
I can play Mirror's Edge maxed out at 4K on my old 2070.. but if you're gonna be pushing the absolutely limit of realtime CG images on your PC, with RTX and all the latest crap from 2022 which isn't even fully optimized in drivers yet.. yeah, you'll probably lose a frame or two!
As everyone else has said, thank you for the amount of effort you put into these videos considering you have a full time job and family priorities. It certainly doesn't go unnoticed! Great video as always, keep it up!
I sure wish more content creators would include MSFS2020 in their testing. It's one of the most demanding games out there and there are a ton of us sim enthusiasts that want this info.
I bought a 10gb water-cooled 3080 for $900 from EVGA and was able to sell my founders edition 3070 that I got for $500 at $900. It was a great deal that I felt like I couldn’t pass up, but in hindsight, I kinda wish I held out for a 4090. I upgraded to a 4K monitor a year later, and I find myself more in the graphical settings menu more than the game itself sometimes.
I just got a 4080 and my personal recommendation would be to wait until the 50 series if you're on 4k. it was underwhelming upgrading from a 2080 super to 4080 at 1440p. its a good card but I still get less than 60fps at max graphics at 1440p with the second strongest graphics card that currently exists. i wouldnt feel comfortable buying a 4k monitor with any 40 series card right now lol
I can't believe people say that the 30 series are becoming obsolete because they're "2 years old" eventhough they're still high end GPU's. Thank you once again for your great content. All your videos are very insightful and honest :)
Its funny cuz most games wont ever run as bad as cyberpunk because cyberpunk is so poorly optimized in general. Theres gonna be less demand for video cards as time goes because games dont really need much realism to sell anymore, they need more creativity.
Hey Dan! GREAT video! Definitely something similar to what I'd make except I'd have more charts and less footage when I did my 3090 vid. Watched the whole way through and I believe you hit the nail on the head with all your comments. It's not that 4080 performance is bad per se, just that the pricing sucks, as you said. And yes, while the 3000 series are definitely 4K cards, new games do tax them. I achieved similar results to your Cyberpunk 2077 performance on a 3090 FE with an older Skylake X OC'd CPU (20s, RT Ultra, DLSS off, 4K) and closer to 45-50 (playable enough for me) at 4K Ultra with RT Ultra, DLSS Auto. Since I do rendering and other production work, the 24 GB of VRAM made a 3090 my only choice so hopefully I can snag a 4090 FE sometime! But it's super cool to see a definitive suite of benchmarks with all four cards to see just how close (or far ahead) the newer cards get. Thanks!
I'm quite happy with the 6800xt I just bought, (thanks for all your 6800xt videos !) I'm hoping it'll last as a 1440p card until the AMD 80xx / Nvidia 50xx gpu's come out and I can upgrade to a mid-high range 4k ray traced setup. Keep the videos coming and happy holidays to you & your family.
as long you don't use ray tracing im pretty sure you can keep using it as a 4k card till then. I just hope developers don't get any lazier than they already are lol
I'd be surprised if the 5000/8000 series are actual 4k high FPS GPUs priced at mid range, the demand for 4k is still very low and monitor for 4k are still expensive. The 4090 can do 4k great even without frame gen but don't expect 120/240fps to be the norm, next gen might do 4k 120/240fps as a norm but it will be as far removed from mid range as the 3090/4090 are
@1440 I imagine it depends on the games you play but I bet it'll keep going for a good long while. The 5700xt I had for the last 3 years was doing great I just felt like building something new.
Yup, Gamer's Nexus said it best: The 4080 is fucking excellent. It's ridiculously performant, efficient, cool and quiet... but the price is complete BULLSHIT. Think about that: Nvidia is willing to scuttle its own product to upsell people on a 4090 and make the overpriced 30 series look like a good value.
I bought one and I had the chance to buy a 4090 for £450 more while I was waiting for delivery. After a bit of agonising, I stayed with the 4080 and I have to say that after undervolting, getting 4K/100+ at 200-250w is absolutely mind-blowing to me. It is the king of power efficiency this generation.
@@johnboylan3832 Man, that is one heck of a card, I'd call that a better value than even the 7900XTX. Though, I'm gonna go for a 4070 or 4070ti as I'm using 1440p with my 2060, should be a very big upgrade.
I will likely be upgrading my 1080 Ti to the 4090, or I might wait for the 4090 Ti. The 4090 Ti is rumoured to be around 15 to 25% faster than the 4090 in ray traced games, which will be a decent performance uplift over the 4090. I’m sure this will be of the biggest upgrades someone has ever done.
Yeah got mine new for around 700 2 years ago. Most gaming displays are still 1440P and I don't mind DLSS Quality for the extra performance so most of my games run at 100+ fps. little reason to upgrade at this point. I've yet to run into an issue with the 10GB vram.
@@clownavenger0 at 1440p hardly u will find any issue with 10 gigs atm, maybe in 2 years, unless u like to apply many mods to your games that might make a diff
Bought an EVGA RTX3090 FTW3 for 700 Eur, with 2+ years warranty. With the 4090 being almost 3x the price in Europe, not tempted to upgrade for a 70-80% gain in performance. Still playing older AAA games which run perfectly fine at 4K100 anyways.
900 dollar for a 3080 is disgusting and it's even a 10GB version. But it's just what nvidia wanted, they are driving prices up so the 4080 looks less silly. I am quite happy with my 600 Euro 3080 I got a few months ago, now they even want 750 euro here for a used one and new ones are selling at 900-1000 euro, it's crazy.
When I got mine, there were 3080s were all over the used market for £600-£700. I even saw a 3080ti go for £800, but that was a tad too high for me, wouldn't have spent more than £750. As long as the condition is good, it's worth going to the used market. Mine had its full box and everything, could still smell the components as if new and paid £625.00.
certain institutions need to check nvidia out theyre probably withholding gpu production to pump the price. Demand is all time low post crypto which is suspicious as fuck.
Is it including tax? In India it starts from the equivalent of €811 including 18% tax. 3080 Ti price starts from €937. The US MRP which is advertised does not account for VAT/GST.
Finally! An awesome conclusive video on comparisons. Now I know that I’ll just stick to my 3080; the 4090 is waaaay to expensive (even though it does perform almost double) thanks for the vid, keep it up!
Picked up a 3080 12 GB strix OC here in Canada for ~800 USD (1075 CAD in late October) and it still looks like it was a great buy even after new drops from each team.
Same. I bought a the same card for $620 and the guy only used it for 2 months. I checked the receipt and the warranty, I felt like the hot best deal for the 3080
Same, I managed to get a MSI Gaming Z Trio 12GB for $1040 before tax from Newegg a couple month ago. I don’t plan on upgrading anytime soon, it’s a beast.
if anyone currently has decent gpu from last 2 years and looking to upgrade for 4K gaming, my advice would be to just save your money and get 4090Ti when it launches as it will have updated DP port for high refreshrate monitors. there is no reason to look for middle ground. get yourself the best option and don't worry about anything. i mean you really arent a budget PC gamer if you looking for 4K gaming. most gamers are still on 1080p and using 1650. so basically you have enough revenue source to get better system, so use it wisely and save for 4090ti
i don't know man. just got a 3070 for $350, i get ~110fps on HZD High/Ultra with 4k (DLSS doesn't bother me). That's pretty budget. I realize your caveat of upgrading from the last 2 years. Just pointing this out to other people that it's still ok to not get a halo card
@@longebane even i picked up a used 3070 so I'm aware of it's performance xD i'm talking about those who have enough disposable income to get $1000+ cards, for them they should not wonder around 7900XTX or 4080 just get the best option. its only negative is 4090 having old DP port
@@longebane realistically, 4k gaming at high refresh rate is a total meme. On 27-32" displays, its a waste of money compared to 1440 as its virtually the same, and doubling the performance needs. For single player games, high refresh rate is once again a meme, and anyone looking to push frames for competitive shooters like cod, overwatch, etc will be playing at 1440p at most, as it makes no difference on sub 32 or even 34" monitors compared to 4k. Honestly for the casual single player story gamers out there, it would be best to be a console couch gamer with a ps5 at $400 usd and widely available as good hardware for those types of games is kind of a waste
@@henryfisher9948 what makes it a meme? Diminishing returns sure, but I still enjoy and can discern 4k120 (though realistically, I'm not hitting 120 on a 3070) on single player games with my 27". 27" is a desktop size, so I'd be sitting close enough to notice quality improvements with the 4k ppi
@@longebane over 1080 absolutely. Over 1440p at that size? Sheesh, I remember LTT did a blind test on that a few years ago and no one could tell the difference. More power to you for future proofing with a 4K though, could make a minuscule difference in battle royale if that’s your cup of tea.
Hey man, during your God of War benchmark, you left Red Dead 2 resolution setting text on the bottom of the screen. Great content. Keep up the good work!!!
Just got myself a 3090ti. My wife got it for me for my birthday recently. Beast of a card, also I have a i9 12900k. So I’m going strong! Also I still have my Series X too.
So many people make tech YT channels but most aren't that informative, show bias or just try too hard. This channel has consistently just been about factual data with good presentation and no gimmicks. You deserve to do well and have earned another subscriber. Thanks for the content, Sir.
I was able to get a RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition from a good friend of mine for $850. Fantastic card and ill be set for several more years. My CPU is brand new too.
Either 3080 used, 4080 open box (or 10% off Best Buy w/ coupon & credit card) or retail 4090 is the play. 3080 used around $550-$600, open box 4080 Best Buy ~$1k, retail 4090 $1600-$2k.
There's no doubt that the 4000 series are amazing. Impressive tech and hardware. But the pricing is not giving people the value they're expecting with each generational increase. Because essentially, you end up paying for those extra performance. So you're not getting more for your buck. You're getting more for _more_ buck.
In my country the 7900xtx costs about 1260-1360 USD, while recently we experienced some major price cuts on 4080s across retailers. Eg, the Gigabyte Gaming OC costs about 1400usd, while the Rog Strix models had a crazy price drop of about ~300usd to about 1550-1600 usd. At that point I just got a 4080 instead, as they are widely available and little the savings is to wait/go for amd.
@@Zombie101 In straight rasterization yes and it has more VRAM. However when you factor in power consumption, DLSS and ray tracing performance, if the prices are close, for most users the 4080 is the better pick. The XTX would have to be significantly cheaper in order to be competitive unfortunately.
I just bought a used TUF 3090 OC for under $750. Several reasons. 1. Will not directly support Nvidia's cash grab. 2. Need best performance and most VRAM for my budget for VR flight simming. 3. 40 Series doesn't fit my case without major rework. Thanks for all the useful info!
If you're going to spend $1,000-1,100 on a 3090/ti you might as well spend the extra $100 for a 4080, that's the only reason why I bought one and why I don't believe the price isn't too overpriced for the power consumption, performance, and temps
Sitting on an 3080 that cost an arm and a leg playing on 4k as my old computer I played on crashed in middle of gpu crisis haha. And I'm surprised it actually works as well as it does :). Personally just going to skip this generation of gpus. Just some random thoughts that it is very viable to play 4k on an "old" 3080 and if your like me, playing mostly old titles this card is still going strong if you can get it for cheap. Edit: Thank you for the comparison Daniel :)
You need to include assetto corsa as a benchmark, getting it to look truly photorealistic takes in incredible amount of vram. Its the most beautiful game ive ever played.
@@birdchips6886I currently have a deal for a zotac 4080 for £1099 with the option to space it out over 3 month payments of £366 and I must say I’m tempted
I have moved from 3080 to 6900XT and then moved to a used 3090. Super happy with my 3090. Will completely skip 4000 series. Performance may not be too far off from 3080 but 24GB Vram is a relief for long term.
I'm gonna get the 4080 around halfway through 2023. I just hope the prices will be a bit more reasonable by then. 4080 seems to consistently get 100FPS at 4K upscaled, which is all I want and perfect for my LG C1 tv with 100fps BFI mode
As a IT tech,network engineer for past 17 years,anything one step below flagship GPU is always the best. Pair with good CPU and RAM is the point. If you got all the money and passion,can go to extreme.
My EVGA XC3 3080 10GB is still going strong after almost 2 years. I got it at launch for $750 from EVGA's Elite program as they sent out emails for everyone that bought a 2080Ti from them. I was able to skip the wait process because of it. Now I'm sad EVGA no longer makes video cards due to Nvidia's extremely greedy practices and treatment of AIB partners.
Nice. I have the XC3 Ultra variant of the 3080. Did you also notice crazy GPU temps? I was able to fix it via undervolting and, especially, getting a different case that better cooled the GPU. I read that a lot of people had that issue with that specific 3080. Very unprofessional of EVGA. They may have great customer support, but they've released some very questionable cards. One variant of the single-fan 1060s also ran unacceptably hot.
Thanks Daniel, i have a 3080 10Gb and just got confirmation my 4090 Suprim X is shipping Jan 9th. 3080 12gb as a baseline was super useful, keep up the great work!
Back ordered from Best Buy in Canada. Got it @ MSRP + $400~ in taxes 💀 But still better than what's available... Some were going for 3000$ USD in Canada via scalpers Canada never gets a good stock of new GPU's until the following year. Can't wait to push my 144hz 4K monitor to the max
watched this video through after seeing your Witcher 3 update performance review. Really like your presentation of the data, and I agree with basically every assessment I understood! Been looking at 3080's for a good time now since I'm more than happy with my 1440p144hz display, and I think this info has only reinforced that I probably won't need much more than a 3080 for now. At least until I finally go Ultrawide later down the road!
I went from a 3080TI to the 4090 and my results are what you and several others show maxed setting and all eye candy almost double the frame rates on 4K 144Hz monitor, I was impressed going from SLI 1080TI to 3080TI but was wowed going 3080TI to the 4090.
Great Video, but I would like to see the 3080 TI and the 3090 TI as a larger comparison. I know it may be hard to get those cards but it would help truly show the difference between highend graphic cards
The 3090 Ti really isn't much of a gaming card as you think it is. Plus, it barely offers any real performance increase from a 3090. And the price to performance on that card is HORRIBLE. And it has the WORST temps out EVERY card. Including the 4080 and 4090. I have a 3080 Ti and it basically performs SLIGHTLY slower than a 3090 so that's really your baseline is essentially the 3090. The reason he didn't put up a 3080 Ti or 3090 Ti is because they don't offer much of a difference compared to a 3090.
@@UltraReaper233 hey you seem to know a lot and I'm very interested in some of the new graphics cards as the 30 series is virtually unobtainable. I currently have a 3070 FE and am wondering if it would be a good idea to go for a 4070 ti.
@@UltraReaper233 It's actually faster than the 3090 by a surprisingly substantial margin while usually being available for around the same price. The 3090 is a lot closer to a 3080 than a 3090 ti in performance, so if anything 3090 feels a bit redundant given how close it is to a 3080 12GB it is.
The 30 series cards are still a preferred option over the 40 series cards for alot of people, even in a context where price is not a factor, why ? Because right now 40 series cards come with a higher comparative failure risk than 30 series cards, due to the power connector failure rate on 40 series cards - and honestly alot of videos like this that fail to include that factor in their observations of 30 vs 40 series, are remiss in doing so. Other than that, this was a nicely informative video, thank you for taking the time to put it together.
This isn’t real. There is no problem with the connector. There’s a problem with dipshits not plugging it in all the way or jamming it into a too small case and having to bend it like crazy.
sure bro. "alot" of videos are remiss in including this fact, despite "the failure rate of the 12VHPWR power connectors is quite small as it only lies between 0.05-0.1%"
i notice that new games are way to demanding, i got my 3080 12gb early this year and new games or rtx features are hard to run in 4k, most games do not have dlss or fsr. a 4090 would help me out a lot but the price is even worse in my country. price difference is 2.3 times what i payed for my 3080.
I just upgrated form 3080 to 4090 and while the price was steep (2200e) im really happy with it because this is the first time i can really utilice my 120Hz LG 4K monitor. So i agree... if you want high frames 4K gaming the 4090 is the only option. Great channel by the way! Im really happy i found you. Informative no bs videos. Keep it up!!
that's basically the jump I went for, 2070 super to a 4080. I'm a little below you but man is it game changing. I'm getting 100 fps on ultra settings 1440p when I used to get 50 ish fps before hand. Its pretty much double the FPS in all situations.
I've just bought a 3090 with an active backplate for 630€ used. While it consumes a constant 450 watts and I would prefer a 4090, at 40% the price including the humongous water block I'm quite happy with it. I see the 24 gigs of VRAM as a big benefit as it will prolong the usability in the future. Next card will then probably be a used 5090 in 5 years.
same here, I went with a 3090 today as well. no way will i touch another radeon gpu especially while my radeon 7 only lasted for two years of light gaming, it broke right after a driver update... meanwhile my gtx1070 still runs fine and its two years older than the radeon 7.
@@daveyd0071 Both of my GTX980 are also still working. Haven't had an AMD card in a very long time. With water cooling the 3090 runs at 2075MHz and performs like an average 3090Ti, which is not bad at all for the money.
Just found your channel, despite this being a long video, I found the information and content showed here to be very interesting and educational. No bullshit or repetition. Good on you Daniel.
@@AlexK-ov9ov the 40 series are more efficient than the 30 series by far at the new process size. They only use more power if you let them. They have much more performance per watt.
Thank you very much, may be able to get my hands on a 3090 for under 800 Oh also the decision was based on blender as well. I use blender and a lot of CAD software and the 3090 is almost as good as the 4080 with more vram and way better than the 7900xtx which I was looking into
just got my 4080 today for a 240hz 27" wqhd monitor. even if the price drops 200-300$ next month i am fine with it. the 4080 should do well a long time on 2k
My plan is to get 4080 rig in 2-3 months, but my monitor will be 27'' 4k. I think just will turn down to 1440p in the most demanding games and call it a day. Well done choosing 4080 man! Fuck 4090's price and TDP
The 4080 is overpriced. Anyway, I know that a lot of people incorrectly use "2K" to refer to 1440p. In case you're doing that, I'll just let you know that the closest mainstream resolution to whatever "2K" would be would be 1080p. A little hint is this: why is 4K referred to as "4K"?
I recently built a new pc and purchased a 4080 from Micro Center for around $1500. After the whole build ended up costing me well over $4000, I decided to return the 4080 and buy a used EVGA 3090 FTW3 off FB marketplace for $700 and use the extra cash to buy a new monitor. Couldn't be happier! My 3090 runs every game I play at well over 120FPS with the settings absolutely cranked. I average about 160ish on MW2 with Extreme settings on 1440p. I also have a 4k monitor and was able to pull about 80FPS on extreme, and 120ish from optimizing quality settings. I cannot imagine anybody needing more than a 3090 for anything, especially at the price point of the new cards. Even if the money isn't an issue, the value proposition is just terrible. Great video!
I've been a tech enthusiast for 20 years, seeing these games at these frame rates but they cost as much as they do, it pushes me back to more retro games. It's a tall order I suppose, but I want an RTX 4080 for $700 USD, maybe $800 USD, and it's almost certain this generation we won't see a proper RTX 4070ti because of the dual 4080 situation. Hoping for maybe a 4080ti that's the price of the 4080 today but 4090 performance, see, I've been showed up tiers again.
@iam_myster_e There is no "chip shortage". It's all artificially manufactured BS so they can crank the prices up and have record profits. Look at all the other industries citing "shortage" when trying to justify their price hikes. It's greed and nothing more.
I have a RTX 3080ti and now I am upgrading to the 5800x3d and this pc will be fine for me another year atleast. I game at 1440p and this card is more than enough for me. Can hold it’s own even at 4K
In Germany you pay around 1950 € for a 4090 and 1350 € for a 4080 (+ 44 %). I mean ... at this price-points the difference in performance works out. If the 4080 maybe loose 100 to 200 USD/EUR at CES, it might seems to be a okayish deal for the 4080.
What's also crazy is the 40 Series temps, that performance out the box at 2700mhz and running around 55-65C at 4K MAX RT. Nvidia really is in a class of their own though the outrageous price problems. 308012 seem to be a pretty good option for Future Titles as the High-End Starter card 👍, 4070ti should be around that target also
It's insane. I own a 4090 and it will no joke PASSIVELY cool on a lot of games. Was playing Hell Let Loose with the boys for a few hours and my fans only came on when I spawned in, since the display shifts from a 2D map to a 3D world. After a few seconds, the fans turned off and stayed off. Temps below 60°C. All of this at 1440p/144hz.
No normal person buys xx80s and above. Only people with significant additional money to spare or companies are buying these cards. These models have a terrible price-to-performance ratio. Normal people buy xx70s and below. xx60s and xx60s(Ti) are the most popular.
I usually buy the xx80 model cards. I stay a generation behind. I got a 3080 12GB in July 2022. I will sell my current card when I upgrade because it will hold value being a xx80 card. So when the 5080 Launches, I will look at the 4080 and be ready to sell my 3080. Rinse and repeat. I earned the money for my first xx80 card by building PC's with sale parts and selling on craigslist before covid. I do admit when I had a crappy job or no job in the past, I was super happy with any GPU I could get in my PC.
I think before we get too carried away with "RT Ultra" we really need side by side visual quality comparisons. As someone who's done gamedev hobby using real time graphics rendering APIs directly, and written a ray-tracer I'm still calling RT mostly a gimmick. We're paying for something that isn't gaining much outside of "reflections." All other lighting calculations can be estimated and simulated in other, far far computationally cheaper ways.
the 3080 and 3090 performance isn't too far apart but their prices were. But then when you look at the 4080 and 4090, their performance is far apart but their prices are closer.
Good info but I wish you also addressed the flight simulation games (FS2020, Il-2, DCS...). The RAM probably makes more sense here, but no idea where the better value is.
You can run in to vram problems with the 3080 10gb at 4k especially with user created content like Far 5 arcade maps. Once the vram runs out then performance drops like a rock. I went from a 3080 10gb to a 3090.
@@OmgHeDidntJustDoThat 4090 is still too weak. Its not worth upgrading untill a card can run native 4k high fps with RTX and NO CRAPPY DLSS. DLSS is so garbage I wish they would stop focusing on it, its literally unusable at 4k it looks so bad.
@@Dempig lol, are you kidding me? DLSS is such a life saver at higher resolutions. Sure, at 1440p it looks mediocre even at the Quality setting (depends on the game) but at 4K the Quality setting looks great. Change the DLSS version and you'll be amazed what difference another version can do (2.3.9 and 2.4.12 v2 are highly recommended).
@@dezyLmedia Every game ive used it in , it looks terrible. Not sure what my version is though. I game on a 65 inch tv, dunno if it looks better on smaller screens but DLSS looks worse than just playing at 1440p and letting my tv upscale. It looks MUUUCH worse than native 4k to me, especially with a lot of motion on sceen. DLSS also gives me a weird bug where my fps will just tank hard after awhile for no reason.
the 3080 12gb is essentially a 3080 TI minus the cuda cores, which is mostly for tensor-flow/AI work ... the video memory is the major determining factor with most games
It's obvious that the 4080 is in reality the 4070. Just look at the specs difference not to mention how much slower this 4080 is when compared to the 4090, and now look at the differences between the 3080 and the 3090. This fake 4080 for $1200 is a ripoff and that's why no one is buying this card. With fake 7900xt is quite the same story where in reality this is 7800xt and should cost $700
How does this man find the time to be a dad, teacher, and make youtube videos. Enjoying your content man
His wife
Probably copious amounts of caffeine.
He’s also a husband, a gamer, and keeps up with gaming news. He’s obviously two people.
I don't get the dad part always about those comments? Are your kids 24/7 helicoptered by American parents like literally every second the eyes are on them and you interact with them every second you can? He can be gaming or reading/watching on your tablet/phone while his kid plays with the toys or siblings, watches TV whatever or is with the mother? I don't get those comments, do you try to keep them busy every millisecond of your life so they're not even one millisecond alone and not busy?
He eats his Wheaties in the morning.
I bought a 4090 and have no regrets. Gamer dad with more money than time right now so if I'm going to only get to play 30 min a day, I want to really enjoy it. I played with a lower end card for a long time and the secret to still enjoying myself was turning off the FPS counter :D
rock on im a sbo with little time to game but when i do i want it the best it can be
Always wait g prices drop newer better ones release
You have chosen....wisely
@@lilzeddyThat would make no sense for those who want the top as he implied he did.
Turns out you're just wrong in the the current PC hellscape. 4090 is STILL above MSRP in all cases @@lilzeddy
I game in 4K with my Gigabyte RTX4080 OC 16GB with ray tracing when available and have set the GPU to do no more than 60 FPS, as my 70 inch tv in 4k is only 60Hz/60FPS.
I always get a smooth 60 FPS with all games, 1 frame may drop to 59FPS once in a blue moon, but otherwise it's great for me as I don't play fast FPS shooter games.
Running the 4080 like I do, I'm lucky to hit 55 degrees on the GPU and CPU, and even with the graphics settings maxed out, I'm lucky to hit over 200watts unless I turn on Ray tracing too.
I'm not even making this card break a sweat at all by stopping it from creating frames I will not use (GPU set to 60FPS max), and that's without frame gen and without FSR or DLSS.
It's a great GPU I recon and I'm very happy with it.
Cheers
It's nice how the 3080 is still barely available at MSRP and the 4090 price/performance at MSRP is basically the same as the 3080, so no value improvement gen on gen
Scamvidia at play. They didn't launch a new generation, they just expanded Ampere into higher price tiers which may very well be their plan going forward.
Just proves nVidia intentionally cut down the 4080 to either scam people that bought the 4080, or drive people to buy the 4090 instead.
Value was never really there with the 90 series cards, same as the Titans. They're halo cards for people who will pay whatever it costs to get the best. It's the 4080 that should be an improvement in price to performance over the 3080, and it most certainly isn't. That's why it's selling so poorly compared to everything else.
@@GuyFromJupiter Correct. The jump fro the 3080 to 4080 is something like 33% to 50%+ depending on the game, and even higher with Raytracing on. But Nvidia knows if the 4080 was priced at $800, they'd NEVER clear 3000 series stock. No one would buy the old shit when for a couple hundred more you're taking a generational leap at least.
I mean you can get a used 3080 for $500
I got an used Asus TUF rtx 3090 for 600 usd (used to be mining but still in very good condition). I was lucky. I couldnt imagine to spend more than 1000 usd to get a decent graphic card. The next gen graphic cards prices are insane. No matter AMD or Nvidia. I would stick on my used rtx 3090 for a very long time. Hopefully GPU matket would be different at that time
Got my evga ftw3 ultra 3090 for 950 bucks. No mining. Pretty happy with it.
I got a brand new 3090 Strix for $700 and i'm fine with it for now
Nice found me one for 800 its been awsome
@@Misfit626 sure :D :D :D
@@Misfit626 i have 3090 strix brand new for 600 .believe me ?
The 4090 FE is going for $3150 (2,336.51 USD) where I live, absolutely insane, I built my PC with my 3070 just almost 2 years ago now, I don't think an upgrade is needed anytime soon anyway but I really appreciate these benchmarks!
nice somone who isnt rich and also smart a 3070 is perfect for 1440p and some games 4k
same here I will not be upgrading anytime soon. I am more than happy with what I have...
@@derekrison8461 what gpu u have
@@pointbrake3183 water cooled Asus 3080
@@derekrison8461 water cooled Gigabyte 3080, those cards are holding up for sure.
I was able ton get a 3090 for $900 the other day and stand by my decision to skip the 40XX series. This card will do me just fine especially since I do production creative work.
Yea really wish the 4080 had 24gb.. I'm skipping it too, gonna get the 5090
I'm writing this while still watching a video. I noticed that little bit of redness in your eye. We always appreciate your videos, you're crushing it lately and it's a pleasure to listen to you, but still we care about your health, if it's nothing serious then by all means ignore this, if not then I hope you get better soon and remember if you need a few days off to get some energy back then by all means do it, we don't want you to overdo it. It's been a blast seeing your channel grow, can't wait to see a video with yt play button plate. Ok back to the video now.
i bet watching the counters go up (views/subs) is like a drug haha hard to stop
I noticed that eye too - and this guy said EXACTLY what I was about to say: Take care of yourself, man! You're doing great work here - but your health and well-being is more important than a bunch of guys on youtube. (Unless there maybe comes a point when you say goodbye to teaching and make this a full time gig? I coud see it happening.)
Thank you so much for this video! I have been watching almost all of your gpu videos since November and this one is definitely one of the most useful. I love the way you compared the performance in various different ways. You made me realize a lot of things about what I want versus what I actually need. I really enjoy how much effort you put into each video you make! Keep up the great work.
I second this sentiment. Great job Mr. Owens 😂
These are some important numbers and points that most GPU reviews, including even as detailed as GN doesn't necessarily cover in such a clear and balanced way.
Excellent job, Daniel. This must have take a while. Those % are very indicative of the relative performance, you don't see them very often (other than techpowerup).
BTW, that 3080 is the 12 GB version, which is a bit more powerful than the regular 3080, close to the 3080Ti. A regular 10GB 3080 is slower and in VRAM intensive games it shows too.
He says in the intro that it is a 12gb vs 10gb and knows it is slightly faster.
He already explained that in the intro. Btw the 3080 12gb vs 10gb is no more that 2-4 fps better in most modern games playing at 4K
@@VizioN-Scope Unless you run into some VRAM issues.. I'm debating to go with a relatively cheap upgrade from my 10GB 3080 to a 24GB 3090 just purely because of the VRAM aspect.
its either a 3080 or a 4090
Yeah 3090 and 4080 dont really make sense tbh
Well, have to say, that the 4080 is suprisely power friendly compared to the others, save up to $50/$100 a year on electricity.
@@diarmuid4191 Ok let me pull an extra $500 out my ass :)
Bought an aorus master 3090 for 750 3 months ago. 3090 will last longer than 3080 with only 10gigs of VRAM. 3090 was the obvious choice. Plus I game at 4K, so that 24gigs of GDDR6X is gonna be needed. Upgraded from a 1080 Ti.
@@diarmuid4191 I sold my 3080 for £550 and bought a 4080 for £1150. £600 for DLSS 3, lower power consumption, and 30-40% improved frames for the next 2 years is acceptable. It is overpriced though.
Another important point to touch on is energy efficiency (Flops/W), which is much better for the 4000 series, owing mainly to the physics of employing smaller transistors, and as such provides an argument in favour of the newer technology. Bear in mind that GPU performance is mostly limited by power draw and heat dissipation, so a higher efficiency translates to higher frame rates for similar consumption. However, they can also be configured to deliver similar performance for lower consumption, which makes the newer technology more attractive, even if its peak performance capabilities were overkill (especially in places where environmental awareness and/or electricity costs are a thing...).
4070ti can be power limited to ~200W and you lose ~5% FPS which is incredible
Great review, I love this channel. But what really gets me is that even if I bought a 4090 at a cost of £2k (I live in the UK) there are still some titles where I cant crank all the settings up at 4k including ray tracing and get over 60fps. That tells me that the market is broken.
Which titles?
@@stevechristensen1463 Cyberpunk, Callisto Protocol. So if there are already games like Cyberpunk which is 2 yrs old, which u cant play at 4k with RT on with flagship cards that came out 2yrs later, there is something broken. How will even the 4090 cope with games released over the next 2 yrs?
I can play Mirror's Edge maxed out at 4K on my old 2070.. but if you're gonna be pushing the absolutely limit of realtime CG images on your PC, with RTX and all the latest crap from 2022 which isn't even fully optimized in drivers yet.. yeah, you'll probably lose a frame or two!
You need DLSS. Cyberpunk on a 4090 won't break 120fps at 1440p with RT on. While it kinda sucks, DLSS is the solution to piss optimized games.
@@24YOA So is it poorly optimized games, or is it that hardware just isnt up to it yet?
As everyone else has said, thank you for the amount of effort you put into these videos considering you have a full time job and family priorities. It certainly doesn't go unnoticed! Great video as always, keep it up!
this channel deserves more and more, thanks man for the great work, keep it up, much love
I sure wish more content creators would include MSFS2020 in their testing. It's one of the most demanding games out there and there are a ton of us sim enthusiasts that want this info.
Allegedly MSFS very CPU-intensive which might be a big reason it's not benchmarked, as it may not discriminate between GPUs very effectively.
@@ganthrithor msi was build for gaming to be real.
I bought a 10gb water-cooled 3080 for $900 from EVGA and was able to sell my founders edition 3070 that I got for $500 at $900. It was a great deal that I felt like I couldn’t pass up, but in hindsight, I kinda wish I held out for a 4090. I upgraded to a 4K monitor a year later, and I find myself more in the graphical settings menu more than the game itself sometimes.
it means that the game sucks
I just got a 4080 and my personal recommendation would be to wait until the 50 series if you're on 4k. it was underwhelming upgrading from a 2080 super to 4080 at 1440p. its a good card but I still get less than 60fps at max graphics at 1440p with the second strongest graphics card that currently exists. i wouldnt feel comfortable buying a 4k monitor with any 40 series card right now lol
@@Dizzekesomething must be wrong I get way better fps with my 4080 than that what games are you referring to
@@Jaykurosakii ark and eft.
Thanks Daniel, I really appreciate how detailed your analysis is, without having to much "technical jargon". Have a Merry Christmas.
I can't believe people say that the 30 series are becoming obsolete because they're "2 years old" eventhough they're still high end GPU's.
Thank you once again for your great content. All your videos are very insightful and honest :)
Its funny cuz most games wont ever run as bad as cyberpunk because cyberpunk is so poorly optimized in general. Theres gonna be less demand for video cards as time goes because games dont really need much realism to sell anymore, they need more creativity.
I mean compared to the new ones they are kinda high mid range
@@vincev4630 Portal path tracing demo says hello.
High end shifts to midrange. My 3070 is getting dragged through the mud.
@@lordfenix17 70 series has always been upper midrange, it was never high end. High end has always been 80/90 series.
compared to last gen NVIDIA GPUs, the gap between the 4080 and 4090 is HUGE.
That's a normal move from Nvidia.that 4080 is actually a 4070.But we charge 1200$ 🤣
Nice one
The price increase is also HUGE thankfully
thats how it should be but the cost still doesnt make much sense. These prices across the board should be lower
no point in buying a 4080 I'll be amazed if they sell.
@@stevewake6614 Lots of points in buying 4080. Cheaper. The 4080 super can barely run anything, can't imagine what the 4070 is like. lol
Hey Dan! GREAT video! Definitely something similar to what I'd make except I'd have more charts and less footage when I did my 3090 vid. Watched the whole way through and I believe you hit the nail on the head with all your comments. It's not that 4080 performance is bad per se, just that the pricing sucks, as you said. And yes, while the 3000 series are definitely 4K cards, new games do tax them. I achieved similar results to your Cyberpunk 2077 performance on a 3090 FE with an older Skylake X OC'd CPU (20s, RT Ultra, DLSS off, 4K) and closer to 45-50 (playable enough for me) at 4K Ultra with RT Ultra, DLSS Auto.
Since I do rendering and other production work, the 24 GB of VRAM made a 3090 my only choice so hopefully I can snag a 4090 FE sometime! But it's super cool to see a definitive suite of benchmarks with all four cards to see just how close (or far ahead) the newer cards get. Thanks!
I'm quite happy with the 6800xt I just bought, (thanks for all your 6800xt videos !)
I'm hoping it'll last as a 1440p card until the AMD 80xx / Nvidia 50xx gpu's come out and I can upgrade to a mid-high range 4k ray traced setup. Keep the videos coming and happy holidays to you & your family.
I bought used rx6800 2 days ago. Works like a charm
as long you don't use ray tracing im pretty sure you can keep using it as a 4k card till then. I just hope developers don't get any lazier than they already are lol
Depends what kind of monitor you have. 60fps? sure. 144-165? doubt it will last long. If at all.
I'd be surprised if the 5000/8000 series are actual 4k high FPS GPUs priced at mid range, the demand for 4k is still very low and monitor for 4k are still expensive. The 4090 can do 4k great even without frame gen but don't expect 120/240fps to be the norm, next gen might do 4k 120/240fps as a norm but it will be as far removed from mid range as the 3090/4090 are
@1440 I imagine it depends on the games you play but I bet it'll keep going for a good long while. The 5700xt I had for the last 3 years was doing great I just felt like building something new.
So happy I bought a 3080 12gb back when prices were down, got a FTW3 for $750, much better price to performance than pretty much anything else here.
got it for around 750 too back in october
Good choice you made. Shame that only lasted a couple months and now all the mid to high 30 series/rx 6000 series are OOS or back to high prices.
@@ultimategohan1551 Holy crap I did not even realize how expensive they have gotten searched up prices after your comment
Same, 12 GB Strix OC for ~ 800 USD (in Canada too) late October - great deal even now.
Bought a rog strix 3080 12 gb at 820 €
Performance aside, the 4080 impressed me with how efficient it was in this benchmark...if only the price didn't suck lol.
Yup, Gamer's Nexus said it best: The 4080 is fucking excellent. It's ridiculously performant, efficient, cool and quiet... but the price is complete BULLSHIT.
Think about that: Nvidia is willing to scuttle its own product to upsell people on a 4090 and make the overpriced 30 series look like a good value.
I bought one and I had the chance to buy a 4090 for £450 more while I was waiting for delivery. After a bit of agonising, I stayed with the 4080 and I have to say that after undervolting, getting 4K/100+ at 200-250w is absolutely mind-blowing to me. It is the king of power efficiency this generation.
@@johnboylan3832 Man, that is one heck of a card, I'd call that a better value than even the 7900XTX. Though, I'm gonna go for a 4070 or 4070ti as I'm using 1440p with my 2060, should be a very big upgrade.
@@CasualG-mer Yeah, I am excited to see what the 4070 gets down to with an undervolt. Hope you grab one!
I will likely be upgrading my 1080 Ti to the 4090, or I might wait for the 4090 Ti. The 4090 Ti is rumoured to be around 15 to 25% faster than the 4090 in ray traced games, which will be a decent performance uplift over the 4090. I’m sure this will be of the biggest upgrades someone has ever done.
Bought a RTX3080 10Gb for £470 2nd hand, 6 months old and receipt for warranty purposes supplied, immaculate card and box. No regrets :)
Congrats. I bought my 3080 at retail and have no regrets.
Yeah got mine new for around 700 2 years ago. Most gaming displays are still 1440P and I don't mind DLSS Quality for the extra performance so most of my games run at 100+ fps. little reason to upgrade at this point. I've yet to run into an issue with the 10GB vram.
as long as there it at least 1 year of warranty on the used card i would buy it. other than that nopes.
@@clownavenger0 at 1440p hardly u will find any issue with 10 gigs atm, maybe in 2 years, unless u like to apply many mods to your games that might make a diff
Bought an EVGA RTX3090 FTW3 for 700 Eur, with 2+ years warranty. With the 4090 being almost 3x the price in Europe, not tempted to upgrade for a 70-80% gain in performance. Still playing older AAA games which run perfectly fine at 4K100 anyways.
900 dollar for a 3080 is disgusting and it's even a 10GB version. But it's just what nvidia wanted, they are driving prices up so the 4080 looks less silly. I am quite happy with my 600 Euro 3080 I got a few months ago, now they even want 750 euro here for a used one and new ones are selling at 900-1000 euro, it's crazy.
When I got mine, there were 3080s were all over the used market for £600-£700. I even saw a 3080ti go for £800, but that was a tad too high for me, wouldn't have spent more than £750.
As long as the condition is good, it's worth going to the used market. Mine had its full box and everything, could still smell the components as if new and paid £625.00.
certain institutions need to check nvidia out theyre probably withholding gpu production to pump the price. Demand is all time low post crypto which is suspicious as fuck.
bro please tell me how did u got a 3080 at only 600 euros???
Is it including tax? In India it starts from the equivalent of €811 including 18% tax. 3080 Ti price starts from €937. The US MRP which is advertised does not account for VAT/GST.
@@gurjindersingh3843 nearly every country outside the US incl tax tbh, eg i got my 3090 in england for £670 icl tax
Best review to make sense of a complicated landscape. Thanks so much Daniel
Finally! An awesome conclusive video on comparisons. Now I know that I’ll just stick to my 3080; the 4090 is waaaay to expensive (even though it does perform almost double) thanks for the vid, keep it up!
It performs almost double but costs more than double
The price is definitely insane
Picked up a 3080 12 GB strix OC here in Canada for ~800 USD (1075 CAD in late October) and it still looks like it was a great buy even after new drops from each team.
Same. I bought a the same card for $620 and the guy only used it for 2 months. I checked the receipt and the warranty, I felt like the hot best deal for the 3080
Same, I managed to get a MSI Gaming Z Trio 12GB for $1040 before tax from Newegg a couple month ago. I don’t plan on upgrading anytime soon, it’s a beast.
Just got my 3080 Gundam edition around ~$615
And I got my 3080 with a custom Arctic Freezer Waterblock AiO for 590€ 3 Weeks ago. What a deal!
This makes me so happy with the $500 3080 I got like 3 months back.
I jast bought a 3080, think I make a good decision (updated from a 2060 laptop to a 3080 desktop)
@@kuranhelix278 My 3080 actually replaced a 2060s as well
@@elitedestroyer0083 Let's go! Ex 2060 gang
Halfway through the video I definitely just realized I’ve been watching in 3080p like “man these kinda suck”
if anyone currently has decent gpu from last 2 years and looking to upgrade for 4K gaming, my advice would be to just save your money and get 4090Ti when it launches as it will have updated DP port for high refreshrate monitors. there is no reason to look for middle ground. get yourself the best option and don't worry about anything.
i mean you really arent a budget PC gamer if you looking for 4K gaming. most gamers are still on 1080p and using 1650. so basically you have enough revenue source to get better system, so use it wisely and save for 4090ti
i don't know man. just got a 3070 for $350, i get ~110fps on HZD High/Ultra with 4k (DLSS doesn't bother me). That's pretty budget. I realize your caveat of upgrading from the last 2 years. Just pointing this out to other people that it's still ok to not get a halo card
@@longebane even i picked up a used 3070 so I'm aware of it's performance xD i'm talking about those who have enough disposable income to get $1000+ cards, for them they should not wonder around 7900XTX or 4080 just get the best option. its only negative is 4090 having old DP port
@@longebane realistically, 4k gaming at high refresh rate is a total meme. On 27-32" displays, its a waste of money compared to 1440 as its virtually the same, and doubling the performance needs. For single player games, high refresh rate is once again a meme, and anyone looking to push frames for competitive shooters like cod, overwatch, etc will be playing at 1440p at most, as it makes no difference on sub 32 or even 34" monitors compared to 4k. Honestly for the casual single player story gamers out there, it would be best to be a console couch gamer with a ps5 at $400 usd and widely available as good hardware for those types of games is kind of a waste
@@henryfisher9948 what makes it a meme? Diminishing returns sure, but I still enjoy and can discern 4k120 (though realistically, I'm not hitting 120 on a 3070) on single player games with my 27". 27" is a desktop size, so I'd be sitting close enough to notice quality improvements with the 4k ppi
@@longebane over 1080 absolutely. Over 1440p at that size? Sheesh, I remember LTT did a blind test on that a few years ago and no one could tell the difference. More power to you for future proofing with a 4K though, could make a minuscule difference in battle royale if that’s your cup of tea.
Hey man, during your God of War benchmark, you left Red Dead 2 resolution setting text on the bottom of the screen. Great content. Keep up the good work!!!
Just got myself a 3090ti. My wife got it for me for my birthday recently. Beast of a card, also I have a i9 12900k. So I’m going strong! Also I still have my Series X too.
Definitely good to go, enjoy 👊
You pump out so many good videos for us consumers. Keep up the great work and enjoy the holidays 🎄
I’m happy with my 4080 upgrade over the 3080. Gave the 3080 to my sister as it’s such a good card I couldn’t let it go completely out of the family 😅.
😐🤛
Why not 4090? Wtf
😂
@@BBWahoo same $/performance but easier to get deals for so probs a better choice
@@BBWahoo Try finding one in stock for MSRP xD
Holy shit you sold me from the jump. Insane what using a different baseline could show
Thank you so much for all your tremendous effort you put into your wonderful videos. I really enjoy them.
So many people make tech YT channels but most aren't that informative, show bias or just try too hard. This channel has consistently just been about factual data with good presentation and no gimmicks. You deserve to do well and have earned another subscriber. Thanks for the content, Sir.
I was able to get a RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition from a good friend of mine for $850. Fantastic card and ill be set for several more years. My CPU is brand new too.
Either 3080 used, 4080 open box (or 10% off Best Buy w/ coupon & credit card) or retail 4090 is the play. 3080 used around $550-$600, open box 4080 Best Buy ~$1k, retail 4090 $1600-$2k.
There's no doubt that the 4000 series are amazing. Impressive tech and hardware. But the pricing is not giving people the value they're expecting with each generational increase. Because essentially, you end up paying for those extra performance. So you're not getting more for your buck. You're getting more for _more_ buck.
Quality video. Btw why is your left eye so red?
i'd be more interested if you included the 4070 since that card is on-par with the 3080, but it uses less power, and doesn't cost $800.
In my country the 7900xtx costs about 1260-1360 USD, while recently we experienced some major price cuts on 4080s across retailers.
Eg, the Gigabyte Gaming OC costs about 1400usd, while the Rog Strix models had a crazy price drop of about ~300usd to about 1550-1600 usd.
At that point I just got a 4080 instead, as they are widely available and little the savings is to wait/go for amd.
isnt the 7900xtx better than the 4080?
@@Zombie101 In straight rasterization yes and it has more VRAM. However when you factor in power consumption, DLSS and ray tracing performance, if the prices are close, for most users the 4080 is the better pick. The XTX would have to be significantly cheaper in order to be competitive unfortunately.
I just bought a used TUF 3090 OC for under $750. Several reasons. 1. Will not directly support Nvidia's cash grab. 2. Need best performance and most VRAM for my budget for VR flight simming. 3. 40 Series doesn't fit my case without major rework. Thanks for all the useful info!
Same here! A steal for sure
If you're going to spend $1,000-1,100 on a 3090/ti you might as well spend the extra $100 for a 4080, that's the only reason why I bought one and why I don't believe the price isn't too overpriced for the power consumption, performance, and temps
Or get a card at a reasonable price.
Sitting on an 3080 that cost an arm and a leg playing on 4k as my old computer I played on crashed in middle of gpu crisis haha. And I'm surprised it actually works as well as it does :). Personally just going to skip this generation of gpus. Just some random thoughts that it is very viable to play 4k on an "old" 3080 and if your like me, playing mostly old titles this card is still going strong if you can get it for cheap.
Edit: Thank you for the comparison Daniel :)
You need to include assetto corsa as a benchmark, getting it to look truly photorealistic takes in incredible amount of vram. Its the most beautiful game ive ever played.
I just built a 4080 system and I agree, you won’t visually see a bump with the 4090. But if your budget is higher, go for it.
is a 4080 worth it for the price right now?
@@birdchips6886 No
@@birdchips6886I currently have a deal for a zotac 4080 for £1099 with the option to space it out over 3 month payments of £366 and I must say I’m tempted
I have moved from 3080 to 6900XT and then moved to a used 3090. Super happy with my 3090. Will completely skip 4000 series. Performance may not be too far off from 3080 but 24GB Vram is a relief for long term.
I'm gonna get the 4080 around halfway through 2023. I just hope the prices will be a bit more reasonable by then.
4080 seems to consistently get 100FPS at 4K upscaled, which is all I want and perfect for my LG C1 tv with 100fps BFI mode
Only get that gpu if the price drops, because for a few bucks more you get the best gpu in the known universe.
it wont decrease given the silicon chip shortage besides if ur going for 4080 better get off the 4090 ur spending 300$ more for huge perf uplift
Yeh if it comes down by at least 20% with some game gift offers will be interesting. I will skip this gen and wait for 5080, i already own 3080 12gb
@@elih9700 depends on where you live. In Germany, the 4090 is 700 bucks more expensive than the 4080
@@donomar789 Good point. Depending upon the model it ranges from 300-1000 difference in the uk.
As a IT tech,network engineer for past 17 years,anything one step below flagship GPU is always the best. Pair with good CPU and RAM is the point. If you got all the money and passion,can go to extreme.
I owned all 4 cards any card can run games fine,RTX 4090 is fastest of course.Currently running RTX 4080 in PC Gaming rig
great video man it's hard to find a video like this that just gets to the point of what we need to know about the options during generation changes.
My EVGA XC3 3080 10GB is still going strong after almost 2 years. I got it at launch for $750 from EVGA's Elite program as they sent out emails for everyone that bought a 2080Ti from them. I was able to skip the wait process because of it. Now I'm sad EVGA no longer makes video cards due to Nvidia's extremely greedy practices and treatment of AIB partners.
The 3080 was only released 2 years ago.
@@johnboylan3832 Yup you are correct I got mine in October of 2020. It was only a typo. I fixed it thank you for the correction.
Still going strong after almost 2 years? You make it sound like it was going to blow after the first year of gaming.
@@BioLogicalNerd The release batch had issues so I guess I got lucky.
Nice. I have the XC3 Ultra variant of the 3080. Did you also notice crazy GPU temps? I was able to fix it via undervolting and, especially, getting a different case that better cooled the GPU. I read that a lot of people had that issue with that specific 3080. Very unprofessional of EVGA. They may have great customer support, but they've released some very questionable cards. One variant of the single-fan 1060s also ran unacceptably hot.
I just sold my GTX 980 4GB and got myself a used RTX 3080 10GB Founders Edition for 350€ with the money difference!
Thanks Daniel, i have a 3080 10Gb and just got confirmation my 4090 Suprim X is shipping Jan 9th.
3080 12gb as a baseline was super useful, keep up the great work!
how much did ya end up paying for that 4090?
@@6210classick Luckily $1700, if not ouch
@@YukiGibson you got robbed
@@TheTortuga22 the person who replied isn't OP..
Back ordered from Best Buy in Canada.
Got it @ MSRP + $400~ in taxes 💀
But still better than what's available...
Some were going for 3000$ USD in Canada via scalpers
Canada never gets a good stock of new GPU's until the following year.
Can't wait to push my 144hz 4K monitor to the max
Wow, that explanation in the beginning was 10/10! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
isn't the 3080 to 4080 just the average generational leap? Sure it's too costly but the leap itself isnt bad.
Fantastic analysis with realistic price concerns and setting options. You deserve a Ph.D. in computer hardware.
watched this video through after seeing your Witcher 3 update performance review.
Really like your presentation of the data, and I agree with basically every assessment I understood! Been looking at 3080's for a good time now since I'm more than happy with my 1440p144hz display, and I think this info has only reinforced that I probably won't need much more than a 3080 for now. At least until I finally go Ultrawide later down the road!
I went from a 3080TI to the 4090 and my results are what you and several others show maxed setting and all eye candy almost double the frame rates on 4K 144Hz monitor, I was impressed going from SLI 1080TI to 3080TI but was wowed going 3080TI to the 4090.
I went from a built in intel gpu laptop to a rtx 3050 laptop, I can finally run newer games 60 fps
So I recommend the rtx 3050 a lot if you raly on higher quality for cheap price
Great Video, but I would like to see the 3080 TI and the 3090 TI as a larger comparison. I know it may be hard to get those cards but it would help truly show the difference between highend graphic cards
The 3090 Ti really isn't much of a gaming card as you think it is. Plus, it barely offers any real performance increase from a 3090. And the price to performance on that card is HORRIBLE. And it has the WORST temps out EVERY card. Including the 4080 and 4090. I have a 3080 Ti and it basically performs SLIGHTLY slower than a 3090 so that's really your baseline is essentially the 3090. The reason he didn't put up a 3080 Ti or 3090 Ti is because they don't offer much of a difference compared to a 3090.
@@UltraReaper233 hey you seem to know a lot and I'm very interested in some of the new graphics cards as the 30 series is virtually unobtainable. I currently have a 3070 FE and am wondering if it would be a good idea to go for a 4070 ti.
@@UltraReaper233 It's actually faster than the 3090 by a surprisingly substantial margin while usually being available for around the same price. The 3090 is a lot closer to a 3080 than a 3090 ti in performance, so if anything 3090 feels a bit redundant given how close it is to a 3080 12GB it is.
Most meaningful benchmark I've ever watched on youtube. Thank you!
In my opinion my rtx 3080 was a bang for the buck😅
So much power for 730€ thats insane!
Wow lots of extensive coverage here, I very much appreciate the effort you put into your videos and talking points!!
The 30 series cards are still a preferred option over the 40 series cards for alot of people, even in a context where price is not a factor, why ? Because right now 40 series cards come with a higher comparative failure risk than 30 series cards, due to the power connector failure rate on 40 series cards - and honestly alot of videos like this that fail to include that factor in their observations of 30 vs 40 series, are remiss in doing so. Other than that, this was a nicely informative video, thank you for taking the time to put it together.
This isn’t real. There is no problem with the connector. There’s a problem with dipshits not plugging it in all the way or jamming it into a too small case and having to bend it like crazy.
sure bro. "alot" of videos are remiss in including this fact, despite "the failure rate of the 12VHPWR power connectors is quite small as it only lies between 0.05-0.1%"
By the way, Have a great Christmas to you and your family and thanks for all the independent and unbiased video`s..........
i notice that new games are way to demanding, i got my 3080 12gb early this year and new games or rtx features are hard to run in 4k, most games do not have dlss or fsr.
a 4090 would help me out a lot but the price is even worse in my country. price difference is 2.3 times what i payed for my 3080.
I just got a brand new Strix 3090 for $600. Rare find probably, especially for the price, but I like it so far.
I just upgrated form 3080 to 4090 and while the price was steep (2200e) im really happy with it because this is the first time i can really utilice my 120Hz LG 4K monitor.
So i agree... if you want high frames 4K gaming the 4090 is the only option. Great channel by the way! Im really happy i found you. Informative no bs videos. Keep it up!!
that's basically the jump I went for, 2070 super to a 4080. I'm a little below you but man is it game changing. I'm getting 100 fps on ultra settings 1440p when I used to get 50 ish fps before hand. Its pretty much double the FPS in all situations.
@@SubZyYT Yes that is my experience as well... Fps basically doubled in almost every situation
Congratulations on 100K subscribers! Well deserved bud
I've just bought a 3090 with an active backplate for 630€ used. While it consumes a constant 450 watts and I would prefer a 4090, at 40% the price including the humongous water block I'm quite happy with it. I see the 24 gigs of VRAM as a big benefit as it will prolong the usability in the future. Next card will then probably be a used 5090 in 5 years.
same here, I went with a 3090 today as well. no way will i touch another radeon gpu especially while my radeon 7 only lasted for two years of light gaming, it broke right after a driver update... meanwhile my gtx1070 still runs fine and its two years older than the radeon 7.
@@daveyd0071 Both of my GTX980 are also still working. Haven't had an AMD card in a very long time. With water cooling the 3090 runs at 2075MHz and performs like an average 3090Ti, which is not bad at all for the money.
Same. Went from a RX 5700 to RTX 3090. The 4070ti is insanely overpriced and I didn't want to spend over a $1000 on a GPU
3090 undervolted (or simply just reduce the power limit) is a champ - great having 24GB vram with ECC as well.
Just found your channel, despite this being a long video, I found the information and content showed here to be very interesting and educational. No bullshit or repetition. Good on you Daniel.
I'm impressed at how cool the new 40 series runs
Im not impressed at how big the new 40 series are
@@Anticlimacticwhale Im impressed at how much power it uses
@@AlexK-ov9ov the 40 series are more efficient than the 30 series by far at the new process size. They only use more power if you let them. They have much more performance per watt.
Good video brother can't wait to get my 4090 !
Same just ordered mine
Thank you very much, may be able to get my hands on a 3090 for under 800
Oh also the decision was based on blender as well. I use blender and a lot of CAD software and the 3090 is almost as good as the 4080 with more vram and way better than the 7900xtx which I was looking into
Right, thank you for the information. I'm gonna settle for 4080 considering my gaming needs and electricity situation
just got my 4080 today for a 240hz 27" wqhd monitor. even if the price drops 200-300$ next month i am fine with it. the 4080 should do well a long time on 2k
My plan is to get 4080 rig in 2-3 months, but my monitor will be 27'' 4k. I think just will turn down to 1440p in the most demanding games and call it a day. Well done choosing 4080 man! Fuck 4090's price and TDP
@@Обовсём-э9х 4080 is great for 4k especially with DLSS3 and Frame gen.
The 4080 is overpriced. Anyway, I know that a lot of people incorrectly use "2K" to refer to 1440p. In case you're doing that, I'll just let you know that the closest mainstream resolution to whatever "2K" would be would be 1080p. A little hint is this: why is 4K referred to as "4K"?
@Salt Maker Yeah, man. Apparently, even some computer stores refer to 1440p monitors as "2K."
@Salt Maker what is your problem, kid? The GPU is the main question of this conversation, hence everything else up to taste was omitted
I recently built a new pc and purchased a 4080 from Micro Center for around $1500. After the whole build ended up costing me well over $4000, I decided to return the 4080 and buy a used EVGA 3090 FTW3 off FB marketplace for $700 and use the extra cash to buy a new monitor. Couldn't be happier! My 3090 runs every game I play at well over 120FPS with the settings absolutely cranked. I average about 160ish on MW2 with Extreme settings on 1440p. I also have a 4k monitor and was able to pull about 80FPS on extreme, and 120ish from optimizing quality settings. I cannot imagine anybody needing more than a 3090 for anything, especially at the price point of the new cards. Even if the money isn't an issue, the value proposition is just terrible. Great video!
I've been a tech enthusiast for 20 years, seeing these games at these frame rates but they cost as much as they do, it pushes me back to more retro games. It's a tall order I suppose, but I want an RTX 4080 for $700 USD, maybe $800 USD, and it's almost certain this generation we won't see a proper RTX 4070ti because of the dual 4080 situation. Hoping for maybe a 4080ti that's the price of the 4080 today but 4090 performance, see, I've been showed up tiers again.
keep dreaming, chip shortage will never end my guy
@@iam_myster_e how much is a 3080 right now? Just need competition, won't last forever
@@iam_myster_e We'll see.
@iam_myster_e There is no "chip shortage". It's all artificially manufactured BS so they can crank the prices up and have record profits. Look at all the other industries citing "shortage" when trying to justify their price hikes. It's greed and nothing more.
At least that's reasonable
I have a RTX 3080ti and now I am upgrading to the 5800x3d and this pc will be fine for me another year atleast. I game at 1440p and this card is more than enough for me. Can hold it’s own even at 4K
In Germany you pay around 1950 € for a 4090 and 1350 € for a 4080 (+ 44 %). I mean ... at this price-points the difference in performance works out. If the 4080 maybe loose 100 to 200 USD/EUR at CES, it might seems to be a okayish deal for the 4080.
The 4080 should be priced similar to the 3080. Nvidia is just extremely greedy.
Thanks, Daniel Owen. Have a good Xmas and New Year!
What's also crazy is the 40 Series temps, that performance out the box at 2700mhz and running around 55-65C at 4K MAX RT. Nvidia really is in a class of their own though the outrageous price problems. 308012 seem to be a pretty good option for Future Titles as the High-End Starter card 👍, 4070ti should be around that target also
It's insane.
I own a 4090 and it will no joke PASSIVELY cool on a lot of games. Was playing Hell Let Loose with the boys for a few hours and my fans only came on when I spawned in, since the display shifts from a 2D map to a 3D world. After a few seconds, the fans turned off and stayed off. Temps below 60°C.
All of this at 1440p/144hz.
@Sneef Starter card of high end, not starter in general but the 4070 will likely replace it
@@24YOA that's nuts man
No normal person buys xx80s and above. Only people with significant additional money to spare or companies are buying these cards. These models have a terrible price-to-performance ratio.
Normal people buy xx70s and below. xx60s and xx60s(Ti) are the most popular.
I usually buy the xx80 model cards. I stay a generation behind. I got a 3080 12GB in July 2022.
I will sell my current card when I upgrade because it will hold value being a xx80 card.
So when the 5080 Launches, I will look at the 4080 and be ready to sell my 3080. Rinse and repeat.
I earned the money for my first xx80 card by building PC's with sale parts and selling on craigslist before covid.
I do admit when I had a crappy job or no job in the past, I was super happy with any GPU I could get in my PC.
I think before we get too carried away with "RT Ultra" we really need side by side visual quality comparisons. As someone who's done gamedev hobby using real time graphics rendering APIs directly, and written a ray-tracer I'm still calling RT mostly a gimmick. We're paying for something that isn't gaining much outside of "reflections." All other lighting calculations can be estimated and simulated in other, far far computationally cheaper ways.
i remember when ambient occlusion in crysis was just called a gimmick. now it's standard
the 3080 and 3090 performance isn't too far apart but their prices were. But then when you look at the 4080 and 4090, their performance is far apart but their prices are closer.
Good info but I wish you also addressed the flight simulation games (FS2020, Il-2, DCS...). The RAM probably makes more sense here, but no idea where the better value is.
Great video Martin Shkreli!
the 6800xt is the real deal
goodluck with the drivers
@@warking4257 lmao this isnt 2015 amd drivers.
@@warking4257 fanboi spotted
6800XT is a 1440p card.
@@warking4257 the 6000 cards have no issues with drivers the new ones do have some problems, but not the older ones mate.
This is a great video. Very illuminating to see the impact of the different cards in different scenario's.
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The slightly inflated 850 USD I paid for my 3080 still seems a good deal.
2080 Ti has very good value for normal 2k gaming now. I brought 3090 suprim x for around 550$ used, mint condition.
You can run in to vram problems with the 3080 10gb at 4k especially with user created content like Far 5 arcade maps. Once the vram runs out then performance drops like a rock.
I went from a 3080 10gb to a 3090.
shoulda got a 4090
@@OmgHeDidntJustDoThat 4090 is still too weak. Its not worth upgrading untill a card can run native 4k high fps with RTX and NO CRAPPY DLSS. DLSS is so garbage I wish they would stop focusing on it, its literally unusable at 4k it looks so bad.
@@Dempig
lol, are you kidding me? DLSS is such a life saver at higher resolutions. Sure, at 1440p it looks mediocre even at the Quality setting (depends on the game) but at 4K the Quality setting looks great. Change the DLSS version and you'll be amazed what difference another version can do (2.3.9 and 2.4.12 v2 are highly recommended).
@@dezyLmedia Every game ive used it in , it looks terrible. Not sure what my version is though. I game on a 65 inch tv, dunno if it looks better on smaller screens but DLSS looks worse than just playing at 1440p and letting my tv upscale. It looks MUUUCH worse than native 4k to me, especially with a lot of motion on sceen. DLSS also gives me a weird bug where my fps will just tank hard after awhile for no reason.
@Salt Maker I have a 3080, thanks for your input though. DLSS is garbage.
the 3080 12gb is essentially a 3080 TI minus the cuda cores, which is mostly for tensor-flow/AI work ... the video memory is the major determining factor with most games
maybe im reading you wrong here, but cuda isnt for tensor flow. tensor cores are the ones doing ai calculations
It's obvious that the 4080 is in reality the 4070.
Just look at the specs difference not to mention how much slower this 4080 is when compared to the 4090, and now look at the differences between the 3080 and the 3090.
This fake 4080 for $1200 is a ripoff and that's why no one is buying this card. With fake 7900xt is quite the same story where in reality this is 7800xt and should cost $700
3080 was the best buy I did and with seing 3090,4080 or 4090 right now there isn't a single reason for me why it would be better than my 3080