@@nerdslikeus6690 I didn't choose my physiology & pretending to be a herbivore doesn't work for me. The difference was too great to reconsider "going V".
I was surprised by how nonchalant and willing she was about trying dog meat. Great responses btw! I liked how you asked her questions instead of just debunking her statements.
Perfect use of the Socratic Method, Natalie! Socrates would have been proud. Fun fact- He didn't eat meat either. Today, he would be vegan. I love the fact that you have a STOP sign in your video. I hope that will help people who watch this STOP eating animals and what comes out of them, even if it works subconsciously.
A lot of ancient philosophers and writers were in fact vegans and/or advocated for it, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, Gandhi, Nikola Tesla, Plutarch, Ovid, even Thomas Edison, and many more. But they want to brainwash people into believing that veganism is a new privilege, or that our ancestors always eat cadavers.
@@FreddieAl I just Googled "plant based soccer players" This was the first hit- " Chris Smalling Héctor Bellerín Sergio Aguero Lionel Messi Alex Morgan Fabian Delph Jermain Defoe Jack Wilshere Jen Beattie Russell Martin Chloe Arthur Hector Bellerin Ilkay Gundogan Neymar Hollie Kempton"
It's funny because the majority of the people that you're approaching are conditioned by social media and their parents and their friends to not really be very good at communicating or peoblem solving...thinking independently...etc...., perfect for the big money making companies.....You are a true wizard. I mean can we just start calling you the vegan sorceress? I am a vegan and have been for 12 years. And I can tell you. I've never seen someone so good as you at this topic. Articulate.... Direct.... Confident..... Knowledgeable..... Actionable..... You are a true bad ass!! Vegan love!!!
Also wanted to comment on the individuals who prioritize climate change over the animals life when it comes to factory farming. It puzzles me how you can be aware of the suffering that they go through and not catapult that into your number one reason to be against it.
A lot of people would be surprised to learn that pasture fed and finished cows produce significantly more greenhouse gasses than those in CAFO's eating corn and soy. They grow to slaughter weight more slowly, and grass makes more methane than corn and soy. Their manure makes not only methane (20-80 times more potent than CO2) but also nitrous oxide, which is 256 times more potent! Factory farming isn't the only problem.
@@someguy2135 Humans do make many, personal choices.. & not always the right ones. Near hetrbi. didn't work for me so, as the developed world collapses, do I continue to thrive, as a WF omni. or distract myself with the V fairy tale?
Nice outreach. Audio was a bit wonky. Also, you never told her it wasn't actually dog meat that she ate (though hopefully it was obvious to her). Excellent work!
So basically the young lady has no morals of compassion for an animal but she's concerned about her own self and the environment. I didn't realize we were put on this Earth to be selfish I thought we were supposed to be helping one another showing compassion and empathy and having a moral compass.
“People will do and say anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own souls. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” (Carl Jung)
She seems entirely clueless as to how farm animal's lives actually look like. People like that need see footage, otherwise it'll just not really connect in their minds.
I think it's just that she doesn't care enough. Nat described the process for the chickens and she didnt even let that sink in and affect her emotionally; didn't even get to any kind of empathy for said animals. She was just half-listening while keeping her guard up with those convenient excuses and "but"s.
"You don't have a choice everywhere though!" "My grocery bill would double though!" "Sustenance though!" Says a college student who lives in the Western hemisphere (just poking some pun but also pointing out the excuses people make in one of, if not, the most privileged countries in the world).
Love you videos Natalie. Thank you for always standing up for animals. I do think it’s time we collectively retire the dog meat , human breast milk , etc pop ups . I get the point but I also think people don’t like being deceived at the start of a conversation
im so sick of "going vegan" being a "process" just eat some beans and some rice tonight and figure out something tastier to make the next day lmao, people literally act like 5 year olds with broccoli left on their dinner plate, "I'll eat this soon mom, but its really a process of phasing out certain florets of broccoli, y'know i can't just eat my broccoli overnight"
@@Carnemexada Haha, no not really,no,It was just something that a time wasting sophist was using as some pathetic “rationalization” for using ,exploiting ,abusing and murdering animals. This person always seems to be changing their names and profiles In some contemptible ploy to entrap who are people interested in a respectful adult conversation and waste their time with bad faith argumentation,circular “logic”,semantics and generally disingenuous,fallacious “reasoning”. Typically something like “veganism is a threat to humanity” to start with that they can't back up, but it always comes down to their farcical magical thinking and sky wizardry. They never have any intention of engaging honestly and just distract and deflect. So, no thanks, moving on.
She does represent the challenges that animals are up against. Human chilling coldness, detachment, lack of empathy, selfishness and what can be described as quiet savagery towards animals. Could one night in a pig’s ferro cage where she had to pee and defecate all over and had to sleep on it help her awaken a better human in her?
@@Carnemexada The statement that there's no rational obligation to abstain from eating animal foods overlooks a profound ethical issue. The stark reality is that sentient beings are subjected to systematic cruelty and exploitation, enduring torture, abuse, exploitation, horrific conditions, and deaths that are deeply at odds with some people's capacity for compassion and understanding. The rationale for abstaining goes beyond personal health or environmental concerns-it's an urgent moral call echoed by people from all walks of life, including philosophers and ethicists for centuries. It's underpinned by irrefutable evidence of the depth of emotion and social complexity animals possess, recognized by organizations like the Humane Society International. When we know that animals experience fear, pain, and suffering, and when we acknowledge that our dietary choices contribute to an industry that perpetuates such suffering, the question shifts from 'Why should we abstain?' to 'How can we not?' Each decision to forgo animal products is a stand against a tide of indifference, a commitment to a world that sees animals not as mere commodities but as fellow beings with rights to a life free from harm. People eat chopped-up corpses and cadavers because they want to, and because they can, not because they need to. The science is solid, backed by abundant evidence, and clear as pure crystal.
When you do this do you get an idea of what percent of people actually find dog meat unethical? I feel like there's a lot of people who are like "It's fine because I'm aware objecting to it would be hypocritical"
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
Are you not concerned about the real problem here? 😅 Kindly look up the ingredients on some vegan jerky, you’ll notice there’s no allergens inside in which she most likely chose the one doing so. In any case, actual meat is more dangerous. It’s listed as a carcinogen 😂
@mommadibble yeah. A lot of times it's soy, a common allergen, which is considerably more dangerous than meat for people with allergies. Don't be gross.
@@g.allen0888 How is the volunteer certain, if they haven't ever tried dog meat before, that they aren't allergic to dog meat (that they are supposedly trying/about to eat)?
She's in the demographic that has the highest percentage of vegans in the US (and probably everywhere): women 35 and under (about 10% vegan). (statista)
I’ve been vegan for 2 years, eating about 20% plant-based. A vegan lifestyle is healthy and easily sustainable as long as you don’t completely eliminate animal products.
You hunt pet cats? Pet cat hunter... a cunter...😅 Sorry... no... you're just trolling, I get it. Don't be scared tho. Vegans don't bite, unless you ask them nicely. I definitely would suggest however to learn about a subject before trolling... just in case.
@@bobhill4364 Righto... an expert... How odd.. being an expert but acting opposite to the knowledge you supposedly understand and comprehend. And then... trolling an ARA account?
11 years ago I went vegetarian. After 4 months and veganuary “January” came around I tried switching. I’m against abuse against all animals, be they are human or dog, all animals deserve to not be abused by other humans. I just changed my moral compass to align my stomach. When I watched people laugh as they cut off a body part (tails or ears) or slam another on the ground causing massive brain damage, a legal practice called “knocking”. I said “I’m not paying for that, that’s literally disgusting and evil. I wouldn’t do it myself”. The only way to avoid that is to not pay for any of it no matter where you buy a from. The body was of an innocent one who didn’t deserve to die when vegans/vegetarians are already (88 million in the world now recorded in 2023) living years this way. Being omnivores we actually only eat meat to survive. Well, I’m not in a survival situation. I sit in a warm home with nice clothes and internet. I thrive as a vegan, 10 years now and pregnant, and I’ll never go back. Note that saying “if people want to do this they can” just because it’s currently legal doesn’t mean it’s moral. Slavery was legal, but it was immoral. African Americans, Jews, and Women all had to fight for their rights cause the actions made against them were legal but immoral. This is the same with dogs, cats, birds, pigs, cows, and horses. You wouldn’t buy or breed a cute piglet, puppy, or hatchling just to grab them and throw them onto the ground until they die, then send them off to a butcher, or butcher them yourself because you would feel that’s wrong right? Stand up for your beliefs and don’t turn a blind eye. You can do it!👋
@@mommadibble Any objective metric to establish animal cruelty as imoral? Feelings arent an argument, I believe harming people is imoral soly on religious reasoning, but without such why would harming animals be imoral is beyond me. And no, its not legal, its called animal abuse, but should be legal and people who seek to force theyre moral views should stop for its against they'r rights. People have rights such as self ownership, non human animals dont beyond what people like you give them, if you want to make a comunity were no one is alowed to harmimals thats your right, you shouldnt force your moral views upon everybody else, thats just authoritarian, all the injustices you mentioned hapen because of state interventions forcing people to treat other groups diferently by law, without the state those people would just be left alone by racists. Dogs and cats are not people, and so ou shouldnt force me to act as if they have rights. Again, i dont consume animal products anymore, but people should still have the right to(even if I think they would be better of not to).
@@HarveysWorkshop Nope, atheist, born and bred here. It's just when I read this,in a previous conversation with you,it made you sound religious, not sure how I got that impression. “this is where you are mistaken. I sleep well at night knowing God provided humanity with the plants and animals that humans fed. Jesus in fact wasn't even a vegan and fed his flock with fish..” Who would have thunk it someone lying online! So Harvey, how do you personally attempt to morally justify supporting or your direct involvement in the breeding, exploitation, mutilation, abuse and killing that is required to provide you with animal products that you do not need?
Anthropocentrism is the belief that human beings are the central or most important entity on the planet. The term can be used interchangeably with humanocentrism, and some refer to the concept as human supremacy or human exceptionalism. From an anthropocentric perspective, humankind is seen as separate from nature and superior to it, and other entities (animals, plants, minerals, etc.) are viewed as resources for humans to use.
Because we have a genetic attachment. Do you not agree it is worse to kill your own mother than to kill a random stranger from a foreign land?@@Burner01-my7vz
“We don’t do that with pigs” uh- hate to break your mind but people breed, sell, and own domesticated pet pigs. 😅 So your logic seems flawed due to lack of research. Did you also know there’s cultures that state you can’t even eat a pig? 😅
"Same level as nature" 😂😂😂😂 The only reason to care about nature is because there are sentient beings to suffer (from climate change, deforestation, polution). I don't see how someone can care about nature like nature was itself a feeling being... I don't know, the more I hear this nonsense, the more anger I have for humans...
As a vegan activist, I find it extremely distressing and unethical that someone would give dog meat to a confused student. Animals deserve love and compassion, not to be used as objects. Come check me out if you desire to learn more about the cruelty-free lifestyle!
It’s not dog meat, it’s vegan meat. Elwood’s Organic Dog Meat is not real, it’s all satire, check out their website and scroll down, they are vegan activists. It’s a thought experiment to point out the cognitive dissonance and excuses people use for eating pigs, cows etc but not eating dogs.
But the dog is being exploited as a coveted thing, now any passersby that sees this and thinks it's real dog meat, might start making in-roads to start their own REAL dog farm dog meat business. @@mikethecornking
Actually watch the video to see that she was giving out plant based jerky instead of dog meat. Well worth seeing for vegan activists, since Natalie does such a great job. Elwood's dog meat farm has a UA-cam channel you might enjoy visiting, since it does such a great job of satirizing ads promoting animal products using images of happy farm animals.
Great job keeping the pressure on and holding her accountable!
I'm neither accountable to you nor Nat. Enjoy your ethics, while I enjoy my health.
@@Planet-Bees If you go vegan you will be saving the bees. What nutrient would be hard for you to get on a plant based diet?
@Planet-Bees
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You're accountable to your victims, regardless of how much you try to ignore them and the suffering you force on them.
@@Planet-Bees And do you think youre accountable to the animals by your desitions?
@@nerdslikeus6690 I didn't choose my physiology & pretending to be a herbivore doesn't work for me. The difference was too great to reconsider "going V".
I was surprised by how nonchalant and willing she was about trying dog meat.
Great responses btw! I liked how you asked her questions instead of just debunking her statements.
Thank you for standing up for animals 💖💖💖💖
Perfect use of the Socratic Method, Natalie! Socrates would have been proud. Fun fact- He didn't eat meat either. Today, he would be vegan. I love the fact that you have a STOP sign in your video. I hope that will help people who watch this STOP eating animals and what comes out of them, even if it works subconsciously.
She needs an oversized clock she can tell people "it's time to stop!" like Filthy Frank LOL
@@mikethecornking Long overdue! Better late than never.
A lot of ancient philosophers and writers were in fact vegans and/or advocated for it, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, Gandhi, Nikola Tesla, Plutarch, Ovid, even Thomas Edison, and many more. But they want to brainwash people into believing that veganism is a new privilege, or that our ancestors always eat cadavers.
Socrates was a Brazilian footballer who definitely ate meat
@@FreddieAl I just Googled "plant based soccer players" This was the first hit- "
Chris Smalling
Héctor Bellerín
Sergio Aguero
Lionel Messi
Alex Morgan
Fabian Delph
Jermain Defoe
Jack Wilshere
Jen Beattie
Russell Martin
Chloe Arthur
Hector Bellerin
Ilkay Gundogan
Neymar
Hollie Kempton"
*Create a Better 🌎 and a Better You by..............Living Vegan* 💜
It's funny because the majority of the people that you're approaching are conditioned by social media and their parents and their friends to not really be very good at communicating or peoblem solving...thinking independently...etc...., perfect for the big money making companies.....You are a true wizard. I mean can we just start calling you the vegan sorceress? I am a vegan and have been for 12 years. And I can tell you. I've never seen someone so good as you at this topic. Articulate.... Direct.... Confident..... Knowledgeable..... Actionable.....
You are a true bad ass!! Vegan love!!!
Well said and true
I love you, Natalie! Vegan for life, vegan FTA! 🌱💚💚💚
Great job as always. Can’t wait to read your ebook. 💚
Also wanted to comment on the individuals who prioritize climate change over the animals life when it comes to factory farming. It puzzles me how you can be aware of the suffering that they go through and not catapult that into your number one reason to be against it.
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A lot of people would be surprised to learn that pasture fed and finished cows produce significantly more greenhouse gasses than those in CAFO's eating corn and soy. They grow to slaughter weight more slowly, and grass makes more methane than corn and soy. Their manure makes not only methane (20-80 times more potent than CO2) but also nitrous oxide, which is 256 times more potent! Factory farming isn't the only problem.
Never going V.. 'catapult'.. dogapult.. or neither.. but yooz do youz.
@@Combative_Dissident You do you? Personal choice is irrelevant when there is a victim involved.
@@someguy2135 Humans do make many, personal choices.. & not always the right ones. Near hetrbi. didn't work for me so, as the developed world collapses, do I continue to thrive, as a WF omni. or distract myself with the V fairy tale?
The Costco truck saying ‘we deliver’ while she is saying ‘if there was a meat alternative’ was 😂
She'd leave to tell her friends that some vegans gave her dog meat😂
Was literally just looking up some elwood merchandise to buy. Crazy that this just uploaded.
Nice outreach. Audio was a bit wonky. Also, you never told her it wasn't actually dog meat that she ate (though hopefully it was obvious to her). Excellent work!
Great job Natalie!
Nice! You're in my hometown! Hope you're loving Chicago. Keep warm and keep up the great work.
this video is from a couple of months ago (I recall seeing flyers up on campus pretty early in the year)
Masterfully dismantled all her arguments! Bravo Natalie!
Great interaction Natalie! Love your Outreach Starter Guide, it's helping me a lot.
Fantastic work Natalie!! 👍💚
“I’m trying to do better” but has no qualms about eating dogs 🤷🏻♂️
I was thinking that 😂
Yeah, so she’s lying through her teeth unfortunately. Actions speak louder than words. 😅
So basically the young lady has no morals of compassion for an animal but she's concerned about her own self and the environment. I didn't realize we were put on this Earth to be selfish I thought we were supposed to be helping one another showing compassion and empathy and having a moral compass.
Not gonna lie, that hat is based, and now I want one! 10+yrs vegan 💜
Wow!! great job!!
Vegan: where compassion goes to live.
nonvegan: where compassion goes to die.
I was expecting her to come back at the end and say "wait, so it's not dog meat then?"
“People will do and say anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own souls. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” (Carl Jung)
I mean you gave yourself away saying "dead animals" and she didn't pick up the hint. Great work!
Confused is right!!
Nice work. True story: the first time I saw the Elwood's logo, I thought it was something out of a post-apocalyptic video game.
She seems entirely clueless as to how farm animal's lives actually look like. People like that need see footage, otherwise it'll just not really connect in their minds.
I think it's just that she doesn't care enough. Nat described the process for the chickens and she didnt even let that sink in and affect her emotionally; didn't even get to any kind of empathy for said animals. She was just half-listening while keeping her guard up with those convenient excuses and "but"s.
Great outreach!
"You don't have a choice everywhere though!" "My grocery bill would double though!" "Sustenance though!" Says a college student who lives in the Western hemisphere (just poking some pun but also pointing out the excuses people make in one of, if not, the most privileged countries in the world).
Great video as always. Seems like you cut out the part where you explain that the jerky wasn't dog, that's the most interesting bit!
Great. outreach. At least she understood and didn't come with the usual protein tho.
SHARING
Homegirl had NO hesitation trying dog meat.. 😬
Umm she's really TRYING, ok???
Great! You are really good at this. Such an inspiration as well as a hero for the animals
Thanks so much!
Thank you for your work😊😊😊
Love you videos Natalie. Thank you for always standing up for animals. I do think it’s time we collectively retire the dog meat , human breast milk , etc pop ups . I get the point but I also think people don’t like being deceived at the start of a conversation
very sweet person
You are awesome!
im so sick of "going vegan" being a "process" just eat some beans and some rice tonight and figure out something tastier to make the next day lmao, people literally act like 5 year olds with broccoli left on their dinner plate, "I'll eat this soon mom, but its really a process of phasing out certain florets of broccoli, y'know i can't just eat my broccoli overnight"
Love your work.
Ban Slaughter
Which slaughter?
@@Carnemexada
Why?
@@Carnemexada
Ahhh,the old "human dignity" and “endowment of reason”. What a waste of time.
@@Carnemexada
Haha, no not really,no,It was just something that a time wasting sophist was using as some pathetic “rationalization” for using ,exploiting ,abusing and murdering animals. This person always seems to be changing their names and profiles In some contemptible ploy to entrap who are people interested in a respectful adult conversation and waste their time with bad faith argumentation,circular “logic”,semantics and generally disingenuous,fallacious “reasoning”. Typically something like “veganism is a threat to humanity” to start with that they can't back up, but it always comes down to their farcical magical thinking and sky wizardry. They never have any intention of engaging honestly and just distract and deflect.
So, no thanks, moving on.
0:58 OMG .......I can't believe she so easily she's bought into your narrative.........well, okay, your narrative is very polished. But still, geezuz!
Great video
Crystals for your Work!
Try going Hexagonal now that you've become one with nature
perfect
"Im trying to do better" while taking a "dog meat" sample??????
She began trying 5 minutes into the conversation
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You're literally a pro vegan. You're my inspiration haha
Aw thank ya!
She does represent the challenges that animals are up against. Human chilling coldness, detachment, lack of empathy, selfishness and what can be described as quiet savagery towards animals. Could one night in a pig’s ferro cage where she had to pee and defecate all over and had to sleep on it help her awaken a better human in her?
@@Carnemexada
The statement that there's no rational obligation to abstain from eating animal foods overlooks a profound ethical issue. The stark reality is that sentient beings are subjected to systematic cruelty and exploitation, enduring torture, abuse, exploitation, horrific conditions, and deaths that are deeply at odds with some people's capacity for compassion and understanding. The rationale for abstaining goes beyond personal health or environmental concerns-it's an urgent moral call echoed by people from all walks of life, including philosophers and ethicists for centuries. It's underpinned by irrefutable evidence of the depth of emotion and social complexity animals possess, recognized by organizations like the Humane Society International. When we know that animals experience fear, pain, and suffering, and when we acknowledge that our dietary choices contribute to an industry that perpetuates such suffering, the question shifts from 'Why should we abstain?' to 'How can we not?' Each decision to forgo animal products is a stand against a tide of indifference, a commitment to a world that sees animals not as mere commodities but as fellow beings with rights to a life free from harm.
People eat chopped-up corpses and cadavers because they want to, and because they can, not because they need to. The science is solid, backed by abundant evidence, and clear as pure crystal.
Hi Natalie I love your work but please be careful with allergies because it could hurt someone and get you in trouble too
She’s going vegan
When you do this do you get an idea of what percent of people actually find dog meat unethical? I feel like there's a lot of people who are like "It's fine because I'm aware objecting to it would be hypocritical"
Most people think it's unethical, although some are fine with it. I think about 80% are against it
What was it that was given to that person to eat?
As stated in the video it’s a plant based snack that’s made to look and taste like jerky.
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Dog meat goes well in a saLAD! 🥗🥗🥗🥗🥗🥗
@@mikethecornking 😋 😋 😋 😋 😋
Animals should have the same rights as NaTuRe? Like, the air? Water? JEsus..
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
She had multiple ways of remaining vague/non-specific with her answers and intentions.
Are you uh..just not concerned about food allergies or..? You can't just lie about what you're feeding people.
Are you not concerned about the real problem here? 😅
Kindly look up the ingredients on some vegan jerky, you’ll notice there’s no allergens inside in which she most likely chose the one doing so. In any case, actual meat is more dangerous. It’s listed as a carcinogen 😂
@mommadibble yeah. A lot of times it's soy, a common allergen, which is considerably more dangerous than meat for people with allergies. Don't be gross.
@@g.allen0888 How is the volunteer certain, if they haven't ever tried dog meat before, that they aren't allergic to dog meat (that they are supposedly trying/about to eat)?
i mean...❣
She's in the demographic that has the highest percentage of vegans in the US (and probably everywhere): women 35 and under (about 10% vegan). (statista)
So much for "higher education" but i think you made an imprint on her.
I’ve been vegan for 2 years, eating about 20% plant-based. A vegan lifestyle is healthy and easily sustainable as long as you don’t completely eliminate animal products.
ehhh... what animal products do you consume? a fully plant based diet is healthy and sustainable btw
@@sunday525 I still get close to 75% of my calories from meat, eggs, and dairy.
@@leeretaschen231 yeah so you're most likely no vegan
@@sunday525 How can you make that assertion? You don’t know me.
@@leeretaschen231 that's why i wrote "most likely". in the vast majority of countries a plant based diet is no problem at all.
Love that the young lady tried the dog meat. She's probably a hunter. My kind of lady. She's stunning too.
You hunt pet cats? Pet cat hunter... a cunter...😅
Sorry... no... you're just trolling, I get it. Don't be scared tho. Vegans don't bite, unless you ask them nicely.
I definitely would suggest however to learn about a subject before trolling... just in case.
@@thunderingox6963I'm an expert on veganism, which is why I can't support it as an ideology..
@@bobhill4364
Righto... an expert...
How odd.. being an expert but acting opposite to the knowledge you supposedly understand and comprehend.
And then... trolling an ARA account?
@bobhill4364
Veganism means choosing to avoid violently exploiting the bodies of sentient victims when you can.
What part of that can you not support?
@@jamesbyrne3033 The idea that Veganism is a moral imperative. I think it's great if someone chooses to be vegan if that's what they want to do.
Are you really short or is she really tall?
Genuine question. Is trying to get people to go vegan so hard that ye have to create an initial lie. I accept the truth happens after the exchange?
It is hard, because people are not logically consistent and avoid thinking on the subject for more than 5 minutes
If a chimpanzee snacks on ants by digging them out of the ground with a stick, is that ‘natural’?
Yes
Hate Specieism
Im not vegan but I no longer eat meat (nor animal products) either, if people want to eat dog they should have the right to do so.
11 years ago I went vegetarian. After 4 months and veganuary “January” came around I tried switching. I’m against abuse against all animals, be they are human or dog, all animals deserve to not be abused by other humans. I just changed my moral compass to align my stomach. When I watched people laugh as they cut off a body part (tails or ears) or slam another on the ground causing massive brain damage, a legal practice called “knocking”. I said “I’m not paying for that, that’s literally disgusting and evil. I wouldn’t do it myself”. The only way to avoid that is to not pay for any of it no matter where you buy a from. The body was of an innocent one who didn’t deserve to die when vegans/vegetarians are already (88 million in the world now recorded in 2023) living years this way. Being omnivores we actually only eat meat to survive. Well, I’m not in a survival situation. I sit in a warm home with nice clothes and internet. I thrive as a vegan, 10 years now and pregnant, and I’ll never go back.
Note that saying “if people want to do this they can” just because it’s currently legal doesn’t mean it’s moral. Slavery was legal, but it was immoral. African Americans, Jews, and Women all had to fight for their rights cause the actions made against them were legal but immoral. This is the same with dogs, cats, birds, pigs, cows, and horses. You wouldn’t buy or breed a cute piglet, puppy, or hatchling just to grab them and throw them onto the ground until they die, then send them off to a butcher, or butcher them yourself because you would feel that’s wrong right?
Stand up for your beliefs and don’t turn a blind eye. You can do it!👋
@@mommadibble Any objective metric to establish animal cruelty as imoral? Feelings arent an argument, I believe harming people is imoral soly on religious reasoning, but without such why would harming animals be imoral is beyond me.
And no, its not legal, its called animal abuse, but should be legal and people who seek to force theyre moral views should stop for its against they'r rights. People have rights such as self ownership, non human animals dont beyond what people like you give them, if you want to make a comunity were no one is alowed to harmimals thats your right, you shouldnt force your moral views upon everybody else, thats just authoritarian, all the injustices you mentioned hapen because of state interventions forcing people to treat other groups diferently by law, without the state those people would just be left alone by racists. Dogs and cats are not people, and so ou shouldnt force me to act as if they have rights.
Again, i dont consume animal products anymore, but people should still have the right to(even if I think they would be better of not to).
@@1MDA
So,here's the question: do you have any“objective metric to establish” why you believe harming people is immoral?
Would it be ok to give vegans real meat in disguised as plant base fake meat? This is a great idea. Ill try it.
"thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour"That's from your rule book isn't it Harvey, so that’s a no no right?
@@Burner01-my7vz I'll make sure the vegan are not my neighbours and don't know me then. Good point.
@@HarveysWorkshop
Revelation 21:8
"all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur."
Not just your neighbours though,eh ,Harvey?
@@Burner01-my7vz sure. believe all that religious nonsense you want. I don't give a fck
@@HarveysWorkshop
Nope, atheist, born and bred here.
It's just when I read this,in a previous conversation with you,it made you sound religious, not sure how I got that impression.
“this is where you are mistaken. I sleep well at night knowing God provided humanity with the plants and animals that humans fed. Jesus in fact wasn't even a vegan and fed his flock with fish..”
Who would have thunk it someone lying online!
So Harvey, how do you personally attempt to morally justify supporting or your direct involvement in the breeding, exploitation, mutilation, abuse and killing that is required to provide you with animal products that you do not need?
No moral difference? We co-evolved with dogs, we didn't do that with pigs. Dogs are part of our society.
Anthropocentrism is the belief that human beings are the central or most important entity on the planet. The term can be used interchangeably with humanocentrism, and some refer to the concept as human supremacy or human exceptionalism. From an anthropocentric perspective, humankind is seen as separate from nature and superior to it, and other entities (animals, plants, minerals, etc.) are viewed as resources for humans to use.
So are you saying that because we have emotional attachments to a species or an individual that is the governing factor that assigns moral value?
I know there are fools that believe in objective value. You're probably one of them.@@RTS284
Because we have a genetic attachment.
Do you not agree it is worse to kill your own mother than to kill a random stranger from a foreign land?@@Burner01-my7vz
“We don’t do that with pigs” uh- hate to break your mind but people breed, sell, and own domesticated pet pigs. 😅 So your logic seems flawed due to lack of research. Did you also know there’s cultures that state you can’t even eat a pig? 😅
"Same level as nature" 😂😂😂😂
The only reason to care about nature is because there are sentient beings to suffer (from climate change, deforestation, polution). I don't see how someone can care about nature like nature was itself a feeling being...
I don't know, the more I hear this nonsense, the more anger I have for humans...
As a vegan activist, I find it extremely distressing and unethical that someone would give dog meat to a confused student. Animals deserve love and compassion, not to be used as objects. Come check me out if you desire to learn more about the cruelty-free lifestyle!
It’s not dog meat, it’s vegan meat. Elwood’s Organic Dog Meat is not real, it’s all satire, check out their website and scroll down, they are vegan activists. It’s a thought experiment to point out the cognitive dissonance and excuses people use for eating pigs, cows etc but not eating dogs.
I think Natalie agrees with you, because she wasn't serving actual dog meat. It was a vegan meat alternative.
This video is more of a statement, not an incitement to objectify animals.
But the dog is being exploited as a coveted thing, now any passersby that sees this and thinks it's real dog meat, might start making in-roads to start their own REAL dog farm dog meat business. @@mikethecornking
Actually watch the video to see that she was giving out plant based jerky instead of dog meat. Well worth seeing for vegan activists, since Natalie does such a great job. Elwood's dog meat farm has a UA-cam channel you might enjoy visiting, since it does such a great job of satirizing ads promoting animal products using images of happy farm animals.