Bon Voyage~ | Limbus Company Part 35 - Foreman Plays Stuff
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Fun Facts: Gregor isn't healing the entire fight, cause there is no gloom resource.
@@joddelrealingo7737 No gloom? What an ideal state of mind.
To break a harpoon in Stubb's favor, he literally died because he pushed Pip out of harm so it's no wonder why Pip broke so hard.
Dude wasn't that bad if he's willing to save a child.
Especially since it's The City. Children are disposable because not a lot of resources have been used on them yet.
And to break another, stubb was way way better in the book. Limbus Starbuck is like a fusion of book Starbuck and stubb
In retrospective this makes Ahab even worse since she was the one who ordered peep to row that night, so she quite literally wanted to turn a kid into a mermaid
@@user-fb7zv7zu2yYeah the initial idea was to have Pip be the sacrifice bait cause everybody else was valuable, but Ahab ain't Ahab if she does not push forward when the plan goes sideways
That whole Siltcurrent fight was like watching a car crash getting progressively worse as you just, can't look away. Like "Woah that car flipped, holy shit the driver got out, he's throwing hands now? Oh god now the ambulance crashed?!".
Like it went from 0 to a fucking million real quick.
THE FAULT LIES WITH YOU FOREMAN, FOR YOU HAVE DISTRACTED ME WITH YOUR SPECTACULAR CONTENT
Not that hard when the competition is a bunch of Vtubers whose reaction is always: *Laughs*. That being said, he is not that far off from that.
@@tmdiz4579 The hell is your problem?
@@tmdiz4579you when someone shows emotions 🤬🤬🤬
Absolutely legendary siltcurrent fight. Failing upwards in a spectacular fashion. Very enjoyable.
Personally I'd vouch for a tier list + railway refraction start, it'll be fun to see you tackle your first railway and see what it's like. The first two railways I'd say were more unique than the third one, but it's still something new for you at least. I also think content-wise a hard MD is basically the same as a normal MD, the real fun comes from seeing reactions to new events and mechanics and stuff, and we have got a video on it already. Of course, I won't complain if you decide to do another MD vid! Canto VI is my personal favourite and I'm looking forward to seeing you tackle it! Thanks for the vids.
seconding this comment! canto vi is spectacular, I still can't decide if I like V or VI more
MY COMPASS WAS CURIOSITY
That Slitcurrent fight was the most incredible accidental bruteforce I've ever seen.
Ahab most likely didn't distort because her mind was too far gone for ANY kind of retrospection needed for that process. Doesn't matter if Carmen helps or not when the cap's foaming at the mouth and utterly unresponsive to *anything* other than "muh whale hunt."
LET US BE FREE
Also I love how in the credit roll art Meursault and Ryoshu trained the seagull friend from earlier to ride a bike.
I'm not sure if this a popular opinion or not...but I think the Pequod Trio fight might just my favorite fight in all of Limbus, even with Canto 6 in mind. At least as long as you have someone that can survive Ahab's one-sided assault. I really like the setup of everything building up to this moment, the setup of the fight itself, AND THE MUSIC. Holy crap, that song is so good. Studio EIM really knocked it out of the park with the Pequod Trio's theme. I love the nautical feel of it that captures similar feelings to Terraria's pirate invasion music. So good.
What I really like about the fight is how Ahab, Starbuck, and Queequeg feel like a traditional party setup of sorts. Ahab's an abusive support, Queequeg's the tank, and Starbuck is a glass cannon DPS. Both fulfill their roles and bounce off each other. And the fight provides both obvious and unobvious cues that help the player figure out how to progress. In my experience, at the end of my second attempt I realized Queequeg effectively had 1500 HP with effectively 1 stagger bar while Ahab only had 650 and came to the conclusion that after Starbuck was done to rush Ahab while ignoring Queequeg. It makes for a really engaging fight even with how rough it can be even after knowing what to do because of clashing. And I'm saying it again, the music. The music is so good.
Compass is also a really good song and I've certainly listened to it more, but I kind of like Pequod Trio's theme a little bit more. Slightly.
And the GasHarpoon fight is also great. A small point I'd like to bring up is the animations. If you snowball GasHarpoon you won't get to see most of them, but Ahab is just fun to watch in this phase. Echoing Cries is just so satisfying to watch even when I'm the one getting hit. Ahab charging up, her voice line and the way she says Starbuck's name, lifting the opponent and seeing all the stab effects and the sounds while seeing the -3 SP text appear, it's so good. I'm a bit sad you didn't get to see it for yourself. Maybe you will in Mirror Dungeon Hard.
Another point I'd like to mention that I'm certainly not the only one going to. Ahab's EGO is very reminiscent of The Claw's Arm. It even uses the Pequod crew like Serum injections. It's really interesting to think about the implications of that. At the very least, EGO is capable of replicating singularities or in this case EGO managed to bootleg Claw technology. And what it could mean for Ahab that her EGO took that form. Sort of like thinking how the Three Birds and Apocalypse Bird represent The Head in some fashion.
Ahab's fate is nicely done. Taking away the one thing that fueled her entire existence. Killing the Pallid Whale, and leaving her to live a life that has no purpose. Ahab should have turned into a distortion on the spot. Any lesser person would have. But Ahab is so delusional, so steadfast in her twisted believes that she could delude herself into thinking it was still alive and hold on. That bastard has to still be alive somewhere. She even managed to hold onto her own EGO instead of losing it if that's a possibility. Does that make her more pathetic, or more impressive? And for all her talk of how nobody will be the captain of her life, how she's the one in control, it seems she's going to end up serving Hermann and N Corp now. She's no longer the captain of her own life heralded by her own compass like she declared and boasted about.
Last thing, I like how in the scene with Hermann that Ahab has a generic brown nameplate, but as soon as Hermann mentions the possibility of there being more than one Pallid Whale, Ahab regains her green Captain of Pequod Town nameplate back. Such a small but cool detail.
If not for anything else Foreman, at least now you can comfortably listen to an absolute Mili banger without spoilers from now on
"What a canto huh"
Canto VI in question:
44:50 Pequod Yi Sang got a taste of his own medicine lol
1:30:31 easily, by far, the most catharsis yet. when i saw that, i knew. "oh, this is PERFECT." THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD THINGS ABOUT THIS ONE SCENE. first of all, the fact that ishmail landed the killing blow on the wale, therefore stealing it from ahab, and getting revenge MORE SWEET than what she would get from just letting ahab kill the wale and then get killed.
then there is ahab's breakdown. oh my god the breakdown. ahab starting to scream to they wale like she was screaming to the Pequod crew, then the end with "you should have killed me!" OH MY GOD THAT IS THE BEST. THAT BASTARD, THAT BITCH GOT THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO HER. her life's work, her entire purpose, the thing that would have made her written in history, gone. in a split second, from a goal changed on a whim.
I know you said you weren't planning on doing it before but I would highly recommend considering reading Distortion Detective and Leviathan before the second next Intervallo and Canto 6.
The choice is yours of course, but I think it would just make the experience all the more enjoyable.
railway is a good idea, grab the rewards before they are gone
Next video being Tier list and beginning of Railway 3 seems like the best idea to me. While it is not as massive as the last one (almost 30 fights to grab full rewards was definitely an experience), this Railway can still take some time, so splitting it up between 2 videos should turn out fine. Congrats on beating Canto 5, even with all the twists and turns the last few fights have given you, you've done splendidly with just the Pequod crew. Now we can begin overhyping Canto 6, one of my favourite narrative experiences, the peakest peak of Limbus, true cinema, 9 out of 10 british people recommend it (the last one got shanked), anyone who doesn't agree gets sent to the gallows.
52:38 Foreman you should know that robots are so needy in The City, they'd probably throw a fit the first day on Ahab's ship.
canto 6 absolutely nails the pacing of an incredible narrative! I’m so excited for you to reach it and uncover heath’s story
I believe Ahab genuinely went more insane after Ishmael joined and stubs got meremaided. Because it also broke her own illusion over herself that none of the crew would be lost under her command. But then she just broke and fully embraced madness on the spot. To make it so she didn't fail.
Ahab is so good at gaslighting cause she practices it on herself and always doubles down
Except the barrel was there for a reason. It's strongly implied that she wanted a mermaid to find the whale and, if it weren't for that guy, Pip would suffer that fate.
Except she also could have just captured a palid mermaid
@@Schinak that requires finding them, which isn't an easy task. It's way more convenient to use whale oil that *very conveniently* turns people into correct mermaid type that can find the Palid Whale.
Fun fact, its imploed Ahab already manifested ego even before this happened, probably during the time she was eaten by the whale. The pequod crew has been able to maintain their form because of her ego as was mentioned she was responsible for preventing them from being palified due to unexplained methods.
Hold up, I actually really like this theory
I think the expectation of "loving" every sinner by the end of the story is a bit unreasonable? Some characters are just going to resonate with people more than other based of their own preferences for people they like. I think aiming for "Okay" or "Good" for every single sinner is much more realistic at the end of the day. So I think your opinion on Ishmael is perfectly fine in my book, Foreman XD.
I do disagree with placing Canto 4 over 5? Granted, I do like Ishmael more than you Foreman, so there will doubtlessly be some bias here on my part, but I do genuinely think Canto 5 is more technically sound than 3 or 4.
While the Mirror Dungeon sections of Canto 4 and 5 are peak, and are very hard to place one over the other for me, the Part 1 and 2 sections of Canto 4 are where I feel it struggled the most and where it falls behind Canto 5. The Technology Liberation Alliance and Rosespanner/Shrenne parts of the story don't really add much to the story, aside from giving a brief glance into Dongbaek's beliefs about technology. We don't really get much insight into Yisang's mental state either, aside from a few brief statements from him that tell us he is suicidal.
Compare that to Canto 5's Part 1 and 2s. We see exactly what Ishmael's issues are and why she needs to overcome this flawed part of her personality. The Twinhooks give Ishmael the opportunity to showcase her blind and reckless obsession with revenge and Pilot shows her discomfort with leadership gaslighting their subordinates into sacrificing themselves. Then, the encounters on the Lake showcase her lack of initiative and the traits she's subconsciously emulating from Ahab, and Ricardo provides cool bits of worldbuilding about the Middle (that will later become relevant for Queequeg).
The Indigo Elder is also a cool foil for Ahab and Ishmael, as he pursues the Calamities in order to test his own strength and even respects them as worthy adversaries, whereas Ahab and Ishmael are driven by an all-consuming, trauma-filled obsession for revenge. And yet, in the end, it is the Elder/Ishmael who fells the Calamities and not Ahab.
I feel like every event that happens in Ishmael's Canto adds something to the overall story, whereas I feel like there are large sections in Yi Sang's where things happen, but don't really contribute to the story the Canto is trying to tell about Yi Sang, Dong Baek and Dong Rang.
I do agree that Canto 5 is miles above any previous canto when it comes to gameplay and presentation, the pacing, the amount of fights and their challenge, for sure - but actual emotional resonance is always subjective.
It's very interesting to me to read your final paragraph, because my experience was the exact opposite. I adore Yi Sang and his old buddies, Dongrang was such a blast all the way through to me, and I felt like the story was focused on Yi Sang from the very beginning.
In Canto 5, I felt like we didn't really get into the meat of Ishmael's whole deal until the very end of Part 2, and we got most of Ishmael exposition during the dungeon - we even met the primary antagonist only in Part 3, as well, whereas Dongrang's snarky, smug ass was following us through the entirety of C4.
The big challenge at the end of Part 2 of C5 was Ricardo, a guy who had more to do with Heathcliff than Ishmael, and comparing that to something as emotional and personal as Dongbaek's fight... My favor falls with Dongbaek easily. Even if the Ricardo fight was much better as an actual gameplay challenge.
It's why I can't really do tierlists or give a ranking to every canto - especially not now after Canto 6 came out (it's the fucking best).
@@DemPop From my point of view, Dongrang is with us for Part 1 and 2, but he only gets any sort of depth in Part 3 once his backstory and internal struggles are made apparent to us. Before that point, he's snarky and smug, yes, but none of his behavior really gives any focus to his conflict with Yi Sang or his own internal struggles with his past and his current path, aside from the single conversation he has with Yi Sang in Part 1 in the chicken room. He's just an asshole, corporate scientist until Part 3, though an enjoyable antagonist.
Yi Sang is barely in Parts 1 and 2, unfortunately. We don't even see his reaction to Dongrang and Dongbaek's confrontation at the end of Part 2. While Part 3 places his silence into a new context with his flashbacks, it does mean that Parts 1 and 2 barely showcase Yi Sang's story and struggles. I think the story would have benefited from more mini-metaphorical flashbacks focusing on Yi-Sang like we got with Ishmael throughout the Canto, rather than just the singular one we got with him at the beginning of Part 2.
Similarly for Dongbaek, I would agree when taking into account the entire story as a whole, Dongbaek is far more relevant to Canto 4 than Ricardo is to Canto 5. The problem is, again, that the significance of Dongbaek confronting Dongrang and the emotional attachment Yi Sang has to both people is something that is only shown to the audience after the fight in Part 3. And we only get a total of 2 scenes with her before she dies.
From a narrative sense, Dongbaek is closer to Queequeg than Ricardo, and I think the usage of Queequeg was far better executed than Dongbaek because we built up an emotional connection with her and understood Ishmael's connection to her before her subsequent death.
We now have two intervals before Canto 6 which is currently my favourite. Heathcliff is easily my favourite character out of the sinners. But Canto 5 is also great, project moon from Canto 5 onwards really seems to have figured out how to pace the cantos. And the world building and atmosphere of the great lake is fantastic. Ishmael also wasn't my favourite but she's well written and it's really satisfying seeing her make a better choice at the end. Also this Canto actually made me like outis a bit more because she has some really comical moments.
CANTO V was better than all the others previously and I'm not even a big fan of Ishmael, CANTO VI is my fav tho. I would recommend doing the Refraction Railway next as I'm not sure how much longer the Line will be open, also its balanced for Lvl 40 characters so you should do it before your characters go over lvl 40. Also there are a lot of good rewards to get in the event, that will be helpful to get your next team ready for the next canto.
It's interesting. I was not super on Ishmael before this canto. However, looking back on the things she did and how she behaved before, getting the know how on why she acted as she did did make her into one of my favorites. I find her bitchyness all the more understandable, considering she appears to actually care a good bit about all the sinners and Dante. It comes off as not great in the moment, yet it comes from a good place regardless. To me, that's enough.
But as others have commented, there's no reason why everyone has to like the same characters the same way. At least we can agree on them being well enough written.
(I, for one, disliked Don for quite a long time and still am pretty iffy on her even now.)
That aside, congrats on beating the whole thing with that team. I honestly didn't think it would work out, considering how hard that one fight against the three stooges was, but you got there with only a couple tries. Impressive.
Looking forward to more, as usual. Also looking forward to more System Shock, if you ever go back to that. Just as a side note.
Hey foreman… time for your first railway, dontcha think? :)
nah, hard md first probably? Idk
Man ahab is using foremans frostpunk ID fr fr
Was very shocked that you have less positive opinion on Canto 1 and 3 than Canto 2 lmao, imo Canto has almost no stake compared to all other Canto and thus less actions and emotional beats, and absolutely no arc or change. If your feeling on Canto 5 was what it is because you just wanted to get through it, i think you are depriving yourself of enjoying Cantos. My suggestion is just to focus on what the Canto is trying to provide you rather than having preplanted notion of the opinions of said character influence what you feel. I did not like Yi Sang pre Canto because of how he was passive and one note but evidently his Canto provided him with his backstory and deserved closure that evolves his character to be more involved (as you can see in later Cantos that he is not a reclusive person anymore), and Canto 4 is my favourite. But if your opinion still stands, i respect it. Good vid!
full speed towards your heart....
Im Compass is your fav boss theme so far, I cant wait for you to hear Canto 6's one
siltcurrent is such a funny fight
While I did like this canto a lot (they really amped up the horror aspects which was fun) I do personally still find canto 4 is my fav. While the pacing is better here and there's still some great emotional moments, Canto 4 just hits me harder emotionally (and well, by this point Yi Sang is very much my favorite so I can't say I'm not looking back at it with some bias too).
I'm not surprised you don't feel all that different about Ishmael (as of this video). I honestly would've been surprised if you had changed your opinion so drastically already based on how you said you felt about her throughout the Canto.
Looking forward to the tier list~ Based on what you said during the Canto credits mayhaps I can be hopeful that Yi Sang can finally climb up out of D tier this time XD Also curious if Faust Tier will be renamed or if she'll just get a buddy down there with her considering what you've had to say about Ish lol
I think I'd like to see you tackle the Refraction Railway rather than another mirror dungeon, now that it's been unlocked. You haven't been able to do one yet so I think it'd be more interesting, or at least something different to try out.
Honestly idm that ur opinion on ishmael hasnt changed even though she is my favorite character! I think its abt the relatability of each character, with ishmael i loved her character due to dealing with lots of truama in my past especially as a woman, seeing a woman be as well written and imperfect and angry really resonated with me, but if you cant relate to her struggles in anyway i can see how incredibly frustrating it can be to see someone stuck. Ishmaels canto is one that i think has actually changed my life ive never felt so emotional and seen in a work of fiction before.
Bruh this man put 2 over 5 and 3 the absolute madman
I would rather see Refraction Railway from you than a Mirror Dungeon, personally
I think it's the fact that you came into this canto just wanting to get through it that made it less enjoyable to you foreman, because if you're going into honestly anything with that mindset and don't want to immerse yourself into the story, it would obviously make things a lot less fun, don't you think?
Definitely this
51:50 Wow they nerfed this fight HARD, back when i did this fight Ahab was basically guaranteed to get her Prey Mark skill off at least once but most likely twice and that skill is ROUGH, basically once she uses that skill to Mark one of your IDs she will focus them with all of her attacks Next Turn, meanwhile you cannot target *or* clash with her because Queequeg will redirect ALL attacks targeting Ahab to herself AND she has a very scary counter, and if Starbuck is still alive he'll hit you with his strongest attacks too.
The way you're *Supposed* to deal with the one-sided attacks is either by nuking Ahab into phase 2 immediately so Queequeg doesn't redirect at all, or by First: Making sure someone with an Evade is the target of Ahab's Prey Mark attack the previous turn, and Second: to activate the Evade on Starbuck's fasted attack first so it gets Reused against Ahab's one-sided attacks since Ahab has fixed 1 speed during that turn and Queequeg *Doesn't* redirect attacks against Starbuck, only Ahab. You'll need this information if/when you do Refraction Railway 3.
The way *i* beat it however was by cheesing it with K Corp Hong Lu, he's Pierce Ineffective and with Dimension Shredder Passive *also* becomes Pride ineffective *and* gets a free revive so he can tank her whole onslaught even in the Railway version of this fight.
Speaking of Railway, You should definitely go do that ASAP because we'll be getting Railway 4 very soon and you'll need to clear all of Canto 6 for that.
1:30:25 God that scene always makes me tear up, so god damn beautiful.
Also GOD DAMN Ahab's VA absolutely killed it with her performance, she did such an amazing job this whole Canto and Ishmael's VA has a fantastic singing voice too!
As for my final thoughts: Canto 5 Immediately became my favorite Canto after i beat it (Until Canto 6 took that spot), i ADORE the psychological aspect of watching Ishmael deteriorate and spiral the entire time, helpless to stop her own emotions and fears from controlling her in the face of FINALLY confronting the one who took everything she ever cared about from her, and everyone else can only helplessly watch as she becomes more and more self-destructive with no way to help her, which also leads to fantastic character growth for Dante. And that entire final scene is SO INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL i could never do it justice with words.
Very interested to hear your opinions once you've collected your thoughts Manager Esquire, and good luck if you do decide to do Railway next.
to me, each new canto gets better and better than the last, probably because I play since the beginning and all that
time passes and stuff...
man that Slitcurrent fight was crazy and quite a sight to sore eyes, good job finishing the dungeon with those three!
19:34 Ahab reminds me of a certain LopCorp playthrough
BON VOYAGE!
Really weird that people kinda scared for copyright claims. It's not even the same situation as with Moonlight sonata and lobotomy corp.
Mili never punished anyone who played the game and made videos.
The claims are automatic and hurts visibility plus (this might be wrong) the initial revenue will be gone. Even if Mili manually revoked the claim later on, the damage has already been done so it isn't really worth it and frankly not Mili's fault.
@@gaiko804 Anything uploaded to youtube music automatically gets added to a claim library which is a PAIN to have youtube take it out of. Don't know the specifics since I've only heard this from a friend
iirc they'll remove the claim if you appeal it
The problem with the claims are even if they get removed, it's not going to be immediate so you lose out the money gained during the period between video release and claim removal and the video's release is when most of the money comes from
It's more to the fact that UA-cam's auto-copyright system is a bitch and flags videos for having songs even if the artist has given them permission to use it
I'd prefer Refraction Railway, as it looks like it might end soon-ish(?) and it'll be unfortunate if you were to miss out on that experience
I think a lot more people will find Canto 5 more relatable. But my favorite is still 4 then 5 second.
I think he will do fine in Refraction Railroad. He handled each canto well.
Fair opinion on Canto 5. Your opinions are always interesting. Thanks for the video!
Don't worry with that last fight mostly cause you are quite literally do a thematic challenge run.
So, I think you should now decide on a team you want to use in the story/railway. I get how you like to check IDs in story fights, but you can do that in the normal mirror dungeon without spending exp tickets. And yeah, you'll still need to spend thread but that's significantly less farming nonetheless.
Early comment, oh shit, we are already at the end? Such long video... The fault must lie with you, Foreman!
Fair warning, from now on all the mini inverval will not have any voiced line in exchange for having more content between season so you can voice act even more!
Hard md and RR3 next pls
RR3 still goes for a few weeks but I would still start soon.
The Limbus Company lies with you, Ishmael!
YAAAAAAY
do not do rittonelo since there are canto 6 spoilers
You only unlock those after beating canto 6
He already encountered some generic canto 6 enemies in md4 normal so Ritornello shouldn't be any different from that.
@@seanvalentijn4020 well Nelly is a boss there! Mega spoilers!
Nice
1:40:50 -->
Foreman: "I want a Captain Outis ID"
Lobotomy Corp., __Captain__ of Training Team | Magic Bullet Outis: "Am I a joke to you?"
Feel the power of the railway
Dont you hate it when your compass gets swallowed by the sea?
Ryoushu in the background: KS
How did you win Siltcurrent after:
-Double corrosion.
-Low SP.
-Heathcliff dying.
That’s basically how my gasharpoon fight went prenerf
If anything, Railway's rewards are really good, so it'd be worth your time. RR3 won't close *that* soon, so there's more time, though, but goodies are goodies.
Then there's the subjective matter of enjoyment, and I personally enjoy Railways mechanically more than any other game mode. RR3 is a fun, well-balanced challenge in my opinion.
1:23:39
Literally unplayable. I expect to be recompensed for my sanity
This is why they’re giving us 1600 btw
I do kinda like the parallels that dante has become Ishmael new captain(or well compass i suppose as ishmael is her captain and dante simply leads her to where she wants to go) and Heathcliff her new queequeg, especially with how quee pulled her out of the whale and heath pulled her out of the cocoon are very similar shots, plus he even got the queequeg ID.
THE FAULT LIES WITH YOUUUUU
40:30 - The evil defined
First thing that must be said: Excellent work, Executive Manager~
I was never the biggest fan of Ishmael (I'm something of an Outist you see), so this Canto is definitely not my personal favorite either. Between the two gears in the team that've always ground against each other, I've always liked Heathcliff more, so his Canto is definitely my favorite until Outis' comes out (it's also just so so PEAK). I hope that, once you get to it, you enjoy that wild ride.
Some other things to say, hmm. I guess you can do Pride MD Packs now, considering you've faced Gasharpoon. Still gotta watch out for anything related to future Cantos and Intervallos. Regardless, you'll pull through any challenge~ (considering you can always retry every fight until you win, just as the founding resurrection clocks intended~) Good luck with whatever you decide to pursue to the end first! Be that RR or MDH
1:50:51
Good luck with Railway. It's a good way to earn rewards and free 000 pulls for season 3. If you feel you want to do it on your own time as it's a bit of hard content, and off record, it alright. Just show us what you pull from the free 10 rolls it gives you
Dude, if you went into this canto with an established opinion on a character, don't want to even try to relate to her and only make fun of her or wave off her reasons for why she's acting like that, then not only are you being lazy and stubborn but you're also depriving yourself of this canto's enjoyment
WHEN IT SNAPPED
IM PIERCING THROUGH THE ROPE THAT STRANGLED YOUUUUU AAAND MEEE
Is there a reaon he's only using 3 ids limiting his ego?
It's fun (plus, Canto ids fit well)
I reckon you leave the railway for the video after and do the hard mirror dungeon, anyways great video foreman
We making it out of the Great Lake with this one
CLEAR CUT. YOUR EVILS PREDRFINED
My opinion kinda on you with this one. Canto 4 is still my favorite even after I finish canto 6. And Ismael is still one of the sinner I am least interested in. With that said, I have to admit that the 3rd part of Canto 5 is Peak for me, and Compass is my overall favorite final fight theme for Limbus.
Personally for me, Canto 2 was the worst. It was, in hindsight, a bit of a mess. It was funny! But that's just not enough for me.
Past that, Canto 1 is second worse and then they just keep getting better with each Canto after the second. With Canto V specifically though, it probably helped that i did genuinely enjoyed Ishmael though.
Personally, its way better to fail the check in the middle of the Ahab fight, and using the Ahab ID kinda ruins the best bit of Dante dialogue in the game so far.
If you lose the check, Dante actually gives Ishmael a really, really powerful couple of lines, and I highly encourage you to look it up online. The fight was heavily nerfed soon after it was released and its hard to fail that check now, and it makes the rest of the fight feel more hollow when I watch other players do it without failing first.
Actually fuck it, here it is.
"……."
Her answer to the Manager's question is... endless silence.
Is she still contemplating? Or does she think they're wrong?
Indeed... it may be too early for her.
To decide, that is.
""
"
Then you get a 2nd check thats an auto-win. Honestly was so fuckin hype when it happened, and it frames the story afterwards in a stronger light after the fact.
Hey someone who liked Canto 4 more than 5, I've finally found more of my people!
Don't get me wrong Canto 4 got its fair share of obvious problems but the third part got me real emotional. For me 4 has the lowest lows and highest highs while 5 was more 'consistent' all the way through. Canto 6 is still my personal favorite but I'm extremely biased towards Heath and Meursault. For me it goes more 6>4>5>3>2>1
I think I'd like to see RR3 content just to see how you'd handle it since it's the current hardest content by far.
Putting Canto 2 above Canto 5 is.... a choice. I honestly don't understand why you dislike Ishmael so much, the flaws she has showed are not that bad when comparing with a lot of other sinners. That said I respect your choice. About Canto 6, while Canto 5 is my favourite I can take a step back and view things from an outsider view to say that's it's better overall, this coming from someone who didn't like Heathcliff that much ( be it personality or how he acts)
So, idk why, because they were nerfed or because I was just that tired that day but Pequod Trio was THE WORST fight for me so far. I couldn't figure out Prey mark and assist defense for a long-long time and even when I did I was just sitting there malding, repeating over and over "That's just bullshit". Plus my stupid sinners just REFUSED to roll heads that day. So I glad that Foreman saved his braincells and got through this abomination of a fight 2nd try
Yeee, Final 2 fights REALLY nerfed into the ground.
Guess that's the fate of all gacha-games. Developers not allowed to limit max-levels / ID's to be in-line with original fight difficulty curve.
Yeah? We gonna forget the dozen of nerfs that happened in ruina?
It also helped that besides gas harpoons first phase both of those fights are entirely pierce which the pequod ID’s are resistant to. Likewise both fights are weak to pierce which is the only damage that pequod do and sticky muck stacks so much defence down.
I doubt the nerfs would’ve mattered much imo
@@freddywright4239 In the phase where she got protection - she was really tanky until you lessened her stacks. In QQ phase - she retaliated like it was "Rules of backstreets"
@@abdallahawad9262 Ruina's nerfs aren't anywhere as significant as all the goods the player has access to now. Doesn't matter if Solemn Lament's gun Mass Attack is unavoidable and horribly overpowered if you can now stagger her before it goes through, doesn't matter if the Ensemble pagelock is no longer permanent for the whole thing if you now have enough broken keypages (Night Awls, Bayard's Office, Leaflet Workshop, take your pick) to effortlessly steamroll it and not think twice about the restrictions.
Then there are numerous abno page buffs, like the entirety of Yesod's floor jumping into god tier, and the fact that the game is just complete, so, you are no longer stuck with like only 1 good keypage to throw at Love Town and can hold off on fighting certain abnos like QoH until they become a joke.
>Canto about a sinner he doesn't like
>Instead of trying to understand her trauma and where she comes from, complains about her until end of canto and then says that he doesn't like her any more than when he began it
Well, no crap Sherlock, you didn't even try
I like Foreman, but sometimes I just don't understand him at all
1:18:53 Why does no one talk about how queequeg literally said she was brighter than a sunset. There is no heterosexual explanation for this
i saw a snippet of a moby dick book and... damn one of the chapters started on HEAVILY gay note.. neat stuff ngl!
Oh boy, and now Canto 6 is coming along... Let's just say you're going to meet someone who'll seem... Very familiar. And my arguably least favorite character, not in the way they are written, but... Well, let's just say if you didn't like Ahab, chances are you'll despise her. Hell, I kinda like Ahab, but that one went a bit too far...
Honestly, I really didn't like this Canto, mostly because of the wasted potential I think it had. It was all over the place in the first part, making Ishmael feel like she was irredeemably angry (which was the point). Then everything from entering the LobCorp branch to entering the whale is great. It's new, it's interesting, it creates good hype, and Ishmael's VA does a great job. Then comes the drop, not in the hype way, but in the quality way.
The story inside the whale is at best uninspired, and at worst nonsensical. Ishmael "finds" her way by losing it once again and letting go of all of her apparently irredeemable hatred instantly and for no apparent reason, and it all culminates in the exact same way as Canto IV.
The moment I heard the Mili song not really starting, like in Canto IV, I perfectly predicted what was going to happen after that. And instead of a beautiful, tear-jerking moment like in IV, it was a "yeah, yeah, I get it" at the end.
Honestly, I have the very biased opinion that PM agrees with my opinion, with them later delaying Canto VI to rewrite parts of the story and then making it by far the most unique Canto, including a lot of story elements that people hoped would happen in V. And that just makes me dislike V even more, because of all the wasted potential again. We could've had an insanely good story focused on Wrath like Yi Sang's was on Sloth, and instead we got a mild anticlimax as a conclusion. The events of the story are fine, but the way we reached them was very very bad and a sign of lack of time in my opinion, echoed by the immediate announcement after they released this last part that future cantos would not have a specific release date
Mandatory disclaimer that you're entitled to your opinions and all that, but I'm really not sure how you could find Canto 6's story 'nonsensical'. I think the story does a great job at separating Ishmael's hatred, a justifiable feeling to hold toward Ahab, and her *obsession*, the thing that's slowly turning her into another Ahab. Ishmael still very much hates Ahab by the end of the story- not killing her isn't Ishmael forgiving her, it's instead Ishmael doing what Ahab never would've, choosing not to kill her 'whale' as a testament to choosing to chart her own path. I personally found the multi-layered metaphors the story sets up immensely satisfying to dissect- I just wish the story didn't go out of its way to be so blatant about it sometimes, and I think the story has a lot of interesting things to say about leadership, obsession, goals, and trauma.
A lot of people smarter than me have talked about how a story being predictable isn't a fault- it is a criticism initially levied at mystery novels and whodunnits, and using it against more standard narratives doesn't really make sense- Canto 6's story isn't trying to surprise you, and I found its ending no more predictable than the fact that I knew we'd make it out of the whale at the end or that Ahab would be the final boss.
@@grapesonvines4407 Oh I agree with the metaphors and such, I didn't say it wasn't well set up, I just said I didn't like the execution. I think Ishmael realizes her obsession and its nature too easily, and overcomes it too easily too.
About the predictability, I don't take offense at predicting the story beats, what I didn't like was predicting the game design, the sequence at the end that just reused the Canto 4 sequence.
Again, I don't think it's a bad Canto by any means, I just think it took one of the most famous, most intense depictions of wrath in all of literature, in a setting in which strong emotions maniphest physically, and then did basically nothing new and interesting with it.
I do have to say, I care a lot about endings and that sequence being so similar to the other one probably made me very biased. I think if this canto had gone before Yi Sang's, I would've liked it more. I also probably overhyped myself with the screaming before entering the whale and the "white whale holy grail" song.
I'd prefer Refraction Railway, as it looks like it might end soon-ish(?) and it'll be unfortunate if you were to miss out on that experience