As a child in the 1950s i remember my father taking us to see a huge pile of scrap which he told us used to be the Brabazon. I am now in my 70s and have for some strange reason retained the memory
In the very early 50s we would all stand in the school playground and watch in awe as this plane flew over Bristol.The sound it emitted from it's engines was wonderful,I was a 9yr old at the time living in Knowle, southside of the city,i will never forget it.
They demolished a whole village (Charlton) to extend the runway to enable it to take-off - which, as it turned out, it didn’t need. I grew up near Filton and my dad watched the maiden flight.
Yes, I remember the famous Brabazon too! It was named after the aircraft minister of the time. At the time I lived in Lawrence Weston, North Bristol, so was well placed to see it flying overhead. How long was it in service, does anyone know?
I was just about to reply to the original comment saying how she has great lines. And then I see your comment and now I can't stop thinking of it as "the Flying Butt-pill" or, more poetically, "the silver bullet", which would be a great name for a high class suppository. Hats off to you, good sir!
This should have been the break-through jet , NOT the Comet . The Brabazon Committee should have modified the piston/prop design , into an in-wing turbojet design . Eight staggered pairs of the reliable RR.Nene/J-33 centrifugal-turbojet engine , at 5.5k.lbs thrust apiece , would have given this plane a takeoff thrust of almost 90k.lbs force , and a high-altitude top-speed of over 500mph . In 1948 the RR.Tay/J-48 (Nene derived) , (8.5k.lb.thrust w/water-injection) , became available , increasing possible Brabazon thrust to 130k.lbs.force . In addition to better servicing the passengers , the economics of prop-craft vs jet-craft would have ensured a healthy and continuous profit-margin . This could have given Britain total ownership of the post-war , long-haul market . Lack of vision costs , eh ? D.H.
Arline tickets weren't affordable for normal people in the 50s. Normal people started flying with the 747s in the 70s, though it was still much more expensive compared to the typical income compared to today.
I like how every crazy design from the 1930-1950s included cocktail lounges, fine restaurants and other insane luxuries lol They really liked being comfortable back then I guess.
@@jocelynuy2922 well cost? if something i really worth paying thats completely ok, thats why we still got wired headphones that cost thousands of bucks. because they are a result of research and development that provide really good user experience. same goes for everything. but if something is expensive just because if its price premium than you got a problem. sure the passengers of th,s plane would be able to relax, but they would be more comfortable on a hotel suit or a transatlantic; where you are not bombarded by the noise of the engines.
It's unbelievably sad for me to hear this wonderful plane was destroyed along with it's sister craft. The thing should've been put in a museum for the sake of aviation history!
It's the same with many planes, tanks, ships and anything else big. The problem is this thing is so large no one has the space to house it, and the very few that do are probably using it for more significant aircraft.
… meh … it was scuttled because it was a national embarrassment. They could have parked the darn thing next to the Convair B-36 “Peacemaker” in Ft. Worth and call it a day. 🙄
@@ralphyznaga1761 It takes time and if there is embarrassment over it, making it 'disappear' would be attractive. I'll compare that to B-29. Thousands of them were built. The Air Force started scrapping them in the 1950s. By the 1970s they were thought to be extinct with no surviving copies. Only a handful of airframes survived in California and Delaware. It took them sitting for 20+ years for people to realize their historical value and need for preservation. Today, there are about 30 of them left. My point is that a failed program that has tied up resources for far too long, no one is thinking preservation. They are thinking 'get out from under it.' There was no space for vision to exist in that paradigm, yet.
@RikkyCZ No, I wasn't saying the L-1011 was a failure. I was mentioning another Mustard video about it called 'L-1011: Engineering Marvel, Commercial Failure'
The designers of the Babizon in the A380 made different mistakes but all came down to not doing the math If they had done the math early in the design phase both designs could have been successful
Narratives like this are what led me to study Aerospace Engineering. I want to be a part of a story like this someday whether or not the project that I'm working on ends up like the Brabazon or if it ends up like the 707. Thanks, Mustard for helping to inspire me and tons of young engineers like me. :D
Honestly, the folks who designed the Brabazon should be proud - the failure of the project was because the plan called for an aircraft nobody wanted that also needed engines that the technology just couldn't support yet. The engineers and designers did a great job.
@@flybyairplane3528 Without government "intervension", nothing at all would happen. Neither in the USA, where aircraft industry is massively subsidized. The Boeing 707 is the product of Uncle Sam´s pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the B-47 & B-52 bombers, as well as the KC-135, the tanker version of the 707. Nothing (and nothing means NOTHING) really serious is ever done purely by private initiative. Everything depends, in the final analysis, on large contracts from the State.
This concept more or less was successfully realised in the Tu-114, even with an initial nod to comfort and luxury. It had the very powerful engines needed, but the noise of its contra-rotating props was legendary, still heard in the Tu-95 and derivatives, the Russian equivalent of the B-52.
Is it the map? Must be a map from the Allied? If it were from the Axis powers it would show the exact opposite thing? (I'm just asking... hello from Romania)
I don't know. To me, it looks like he made the map himself (Mustard). The Allied and the Axis both new that Switzerland wasn't affected/occupied by any military force. The only "trouble" we had was some bombs dropped from American bombers because they confused some parts of Switzerland with Germany and bombed wrong buildings. Some 40+ people died at one bombing for example. (Hello back to you from Switzerland :] )
It was a well designed way to make other planes way less safe, then this plane would've been the safest one. It was the only way it could beat it's competitors. Sadly, as the planes never sold, the plan was never achieved.
I absolutely adore your channel. Loads of interesting information under as little as 10 minutes, the animations are absolutely flawless, keep it going! I’ve been watching your videos since the Tu-144 video was rolled out :D. Thank you!
frightone well, I can highly recommend a short documentary about the DH Comet by WTTW producer John Davies available on YT, or a two-part doc from BBC about the history of british aviation. But unfortunately, I’m not familiar with such a channel like Mustard
Mustard, your work is amazing, the background information makes the magic paired with the visuals and sound. Keep up the great work! Greetings from Switzerland.
Unfortunately Mini-docs about failed aircraft from the middle of last century is probably too niche for the UA-cam algorithm, which is a damn shame to be honest, because even the production value on these videos is higher than some larger channels :(
The reason why we all love mustard’s video this much us because of the insane amount of efforts this guy puts in his video and his passion for the subject.
Economists (like Sam) *love* commercial aviation. And I should know because I'm not just a Ph.D. in economics; I'm also a private pilot and aviation enthusiast myself. It's a weird overlap that I suspect has something to do with the part of our brain that economics appeals to as a field of study.
Right, because if I'd said "Economists (like Sam) *love* commercial aviation" and stopped there, you or someone very, very, VERY much like you, wouldn't have immediately written, "How the fuck do YOU know?" :D :D D :D :D
A good deal of the engineering advances that went into the Brabazon were later incorporated into the Bristol Britannia. The Proteus engines being the major items, the final incarnation of the engines that were planned to go into the second Brabazon. The Britannia proved very popular with the charter airlines of the late 60's and early 70's, and passengers liked it for its comfort and quietness compared to the 737-100 and the BAC1-11 for example. The Britannia was in effect a much scaled down version of what the Brabazon could have been.
I flew Heathrow to Shannon on a Britannia in 1962. The first one developed engine trouble twice and BOAC ended up putting us all on a 2nd Britannia for a third and successful flight. It looked and felt like a great aircraft. Legroom in economy was tight, however, for my 6’4” frame; my knees were pressing into the seat back in front of me!
After many flights on turbocharged piston planes flying from Heathrow to Malaya in the early 50s I recall my first flight on the Britannia. It was so much faster, smoother and quieter. It was also spacious inside. Beautiful plane and such a step up from piston engines. In later years I flew the Comet and again another step up in quietness and smoothness. Luckily I just dodged the one that exploded due to window failure.
The funny thing is that I think the Brabazon could have stood a chance if they'd just ditched the luxury thought and went the far opposite direction. The ultimate in bulk passenger transport. That thing could've rivaled a 747 in pure numbers--sure you wouldn't get there early, but with that many people funding your flight, you get what you pay for. Besides, if it already had that A/C system, that'd be fine to help out with the numbers.
The Boeing 707 entered service in 1959 with turbo jet engines by 1962 Boeing had improved it with JT3D Turbofan Engines and other refinements. All of those British aircraft that came out of Brabazon committee such as Brabazon, Comet, Viscount, Britannia were so late they were destroyed by the 707 and DC8. Only the viscount succeeded. Latter aircraft such as the VC10, Vanguard also missed the mark. So they all really needed to get into service by around 1950. The US industry had the Constellation/Super Constellation/Stratocruiser/DC4/6/7.
@@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs ... what are you on about? The Comet entered service in 1952. The issue was the fact it was basically exploding due a design flaw that grounded the whole fleet and prevented sales years before the 707. The 707s design and the DC8s were actually influenced by the lessons learned by the Comet. It is likely that had the roles been reversed the DC8 or 707 being first they would have suffered the same issues as the Comet as they design language of High Altitude aircraft changed because of the unforeseen endurance flaws in the comet.
@@KazikluPrior to the Comet 1 blowing up in mid air two of them crashed due to stalling during take-off rotation. The Comet could stall on the runway, in fact it pitched up into the stall. It was a POS that was never air worthy.
@@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs The Comet 1 was for sure.. which is why all 22 were scrapped. The Comet 2 and 4 both came out before the 707. This means they couldn't have been so late they were destroyed by the 707 which is the point of contention. The later Comets were perfectly good aircraft. Had the Comet 1's major flaws, the ones that the 707 and DC8 learned from which in developed for 5 more years.. (the 707 flew the first time 3 years after the Comets were grounded and 2 years after the major issues with the air frame were discovered. ) are what killed it. Not the 707. Comets were still flying into the 90s and the Nimrod until 2011. Now there are still 707s in the air though they were being produced a lot longer.
You would hate Asian airlines, 500+ people crammed into aircraft that are a tight squeeze with just 300 aboard. Chinese Southern and Asiana both bought A380's but so far haven't tried out it's maximum configuration of 856 passengers but give it time :/
Yeah that's pretty ridiculous. In that situation, if it's a short flight, like under an hour, I'd rather stand than but crushed into a seat with my knees being pushed into my chest from having no space between the rows.
Ikr, Air Asia Airbus 320-200 Surabaya Penang. Not just cramped but the cabin baggage compartment cannot hold as much as the many passengers. And they put jarring advertisement poster on top of it. 3 hrs and half flight made me exhausted for four days, flying compactor, pain is real.
I shared your video and channel with an aviation group I'm a member of. I'm sure they will become instant subscribers, just as I did after watching your content. Keep it coming!
@@09onine This would have turned it into an earlier and likely considerably slower Tu-114. It might have worked to some degree but even with the Tu-114's competitive speed, those weren't built in particularly large numbers either, so the success of a turboprop Brabazon doesn't look at all certain.
@@gordonferrar7782 He can't tell you how. He can only parrot memes and rhetoric anytime he feels insecure about his misplaced and overinflated nationalism. This nationalism usually stems from a gaping hole in one's personal life. He probably wasn't hugged enough as a child, or he was hugged too much.
Mustard.....just wanted to add my "attaboy"..... your shorts are terrific.... consider (time and funds permitting) longer form mini-docs with "Steam-punkish" elements like the clash between the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia...your design/direction style would suit that very well....visual elements like animated daguerreotypes would smash !..... Read Richard Snow's Iron Dawn for a bit of inspiration..........look to the sea...........
TheParallellinial, they the British were putting people in the labor force that had many people that were trained in building aircraft. It was just a government job situation. Besides the Brits are good aircraft builders & laziness is frowned upon
Mustard! Such a pleasure doing my little bit to help out and getting to see this video come together. Amazing, as always. You deserve millions of subs, dude!
1) Tea is grown then blended and 2) It's too mild for tea plantations. 3) It's too high in tanin for anyone else to stomach. I drink Adsa (which is Walmart) budget own brand and it's fine. I'm not sure but I think only the British actually put milk into it.
I'm glad that UA-cam put your channel in my feed. I've been an aviation fan all of my life and it's very cool to see something new, new to me anyway. Thanks for posting this video.
when I see something like that plane I think how stupid it is cause what happens when a propellor break off and goes into one of the jet engine's think about that happening cause that's what comes to mind when I see those planes🤣🤣🤣
Soviets liked British engineering a lot, like Rolls-Royce jet engines they copied, the Concorde they stole and much more than that. The Brits should have been the first to fly super sonic, but they gave the flying tail technology to America, stopped funding their own super sonic program which would have been the first and allowed the Americans to be first. It's mysterious as to what is going on, but when given the opportunity Britons are world beaters.
Technically, yes, commercially not as much. It was still too big and luxurious with a bar/lounge below, dressing rooms, a private compartment in some configurations and way less than 100 seats. The Douglas DC-6/7 and Lockheed Constellation hit the sweet spot for commercial propliner success.
Designed during WW2 with piston engines the Boeing Stratocruiser, Douglas DC-6/7 and Lockheed Constellation made sense, where as the Brabazon made after the war made no sense, it's designed to be an ocean liner in the sky with a low seating capacity, and shouldn't have had piston engines. Speed and seating capacity should have been the primary design goals, Briton was the first to have jets and turboprops, there was no reason why it wasn't 100+ mph faster and have a higher seating capacity. Other than that, it was still a good looking airliner.
Maybe they should have gone the opposite direction, no fluff and squish 300+ seats into that thing. Then the Brabazon could have competed with low ticket prices against the early jets.
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I love that cockpit window arrangement. Coupled with the smooth shape of the rest of the fuselage, very pretty. Jet engines and some sleeker wings might have sealed the deal.
As a Brit myself, I find it interesting the number of times Britain looks back technically speaking, rather than forwards. A documentary about High Speed 1, HS1, the first purpose built High Speed Rail line in Britain, talked about how the Eurostar (the High Speed train that connects London to Paris, Brussels and (more recently) Amsterdam) "as soon as it emerges from the Channel Tunnel, the Eurostar shares tracks with 20th Century trains moving at 19th Century speeds," so rather than running at the full 186mph (300kph) they're capable of, on 25kv AC overhead wires, they (until 2007) ran on an outdated 750v DC third rail system with a top speed of 90mph and on the run to the original terminal at the London end at Waterloo, they'd barely reach 50mph and sometimes even barely move at walking pace seemingly
True, Britain has one if the worst railway in Europe. Spain' s and Italy's trains are fast, clean and elegant. And the fastest train in the UK is actually Italian technology.
@Mundo 2024 part of the problem is that there seems to be in many places in Britain that when it comes to major infrastructure projects have a "Not In My Back Yard" (NIMBY) mentality. Even from the early days of railways. One quote from the documentary "Ian Hislop Goes Off The Rails" mentions one of these mindsets from the time (1840's and 1850's): "Railways have set all the towns of Britain a-dancing. Reading is coming up to London, Basingstoke is going up from Gosport or Southampton, confusingly waltzing in a state of progressive disillusion and know not where the end of the death dance will be for them."
@Mundo 2024 another example is in a one off documentary I'd recommend watching, "Ian Hislop Goes Off The Rails," there was one point in that, while watching an old Newsreel of a streamlined train running between London and Newcastle that claimed it was "keeping up the prestige of Britain's railways," but as Ian Hislop himself noted, it wasn't really the case: "By the 1930's British steam trains were smashing International Records. It looked wonderful, it looked like progress, but sadly, it was exactly the opposite. While we were still in love with steam [as a form of traction], other countries were already heavily investing in really modern technology, like high speed diesel and electric traction,"
You honestly remind me of Ahoy, and that's an great thing, your editing is also unique and I very much enjoy it. You are very satisfying with your videos, combining your commentary well with the actual videos and edited scenes that you use. Looking forward to where your channel goes and happy to be here with you for your fast start to UA-cam. Keep up the great work, your content is very interesting.
Unfortunately Britian made planes that didn't perform and no one wanted to buy, the U.K. no longer has any companies left that make commercial airliners.
I can do things with my glass cockpit you couldn’t dream of with analog. I’ve got a Piper Cub with a basic steam gauge panel for day VFR... but for hard IFR in high density airspace, few things are better than my military grade Collins Proline 21 EFIS and FMS3000 Flight Management System.
HypersonicMonkeyBrains I’ve seen the Concorde it looks like a baby plane. It was a failure. You can’t have a plane that can only fly to 4 or 5 destinations. It’s not going to work. Boeing was smart enough to cancel their project before they wasted billions on it. The Concorde was doomed from the start. Only 2 national airlines used it because of national pride.
you clearly dont understand the definition of failure. Now then a failure would be the Russian Tupolev Tu-144 - crashed on a test flight while being delivered, and the passenger fleet was permanently grounded after only 55 scheduled flights. The aircraft remained in use as a cargo aircraft until 1983, by which point a total of only 102 commercial flights had been completed.
HypersonicMonkeyBrains The Concorde wasn't a complete failure. It also wasn't a success. It was a boondoggle that failed as a passenger aircraft. It didn't have the passenger compacity to compete with the 747 or the cargo capacity. You would be able to carry more cargo in a 737 then the Concorde with the 737 filled with passengers at the same time. You can't fly a plane commercially that can only fly to 4 destinations. Boeing was smart enough to stop it before it was too late. The Concorde was doomed from the start. It was a waste of France and Englands resources. It is no different then the Bristol aimed at the same elite class of consumers.
Except for those underpowered shit engines, lol. Just by looking at the props, you can see that they're not big enough to adequately power the aircraft. 😂
The Brabazon was orignally an "100-ton" class strategic bomber designed in 1943 by Bristol and the 8 engines were put at the back of the wings (pushing) instead of conventional layout. The take-off weight of that bomber is 130 tons. And it could carry two 22,000lbs bombs, the "Grand Slam". Actually, the bomb load was 2 tons more than the US XB-36 design at the same time. (However, XB-36 evolved into B-36 but the Bristol "100-ton" became Brabazon.) By the way, the Brabazon could be call an 8-engined aircraft as well as a 4-engined aircraft. Two coupled Centaurus 57 engines made one Centaurus 20 engine in Bristol Company database. So, the Brabazon got 8 Centaurus 57 engines or 4 Centaurus 20 engines.
I say it on every one of these videos, but i just can't get over the incredible quality of the graphics, animations and 3d models in these, it's off the charts, better than anything on mainstream tv.
Superb. I never understood why it didn't sell, it was a brilliant aircraft that could fly faster and use more difficult airports than Boeing's of the time. It was like a British Lockheed TriStar - great but no buyers ?
Gotta thank BOAC for that, couldn't wait for the VC10 they asked for and took the 707. They operated both for a time but from what I understand, the VC10 wasn't able to shine so much no thanks to the 707s earlier service entry.
Naming it Brabazon was like John naming his car DeLorean . Also , the American equivalent aircraft was the Convair XC-99 . They also failed to realize their planes jumbo-jet potential . *Would've, could’ve, should’ve ! D.
@Terry Melvin It's husk does ; looks kinda like a small cave ! They could have engined it similar to the Comet , but with staggered three-sets of engines . *Almost had it ! Read Quora thread : What failed the Bristol Brabazon? Could it have been rescued...? D.
@Terry Melvin much like the Brabazon it suffered from huge piston engines only just able to do the job; large turboprops reliable enough for civillian use took just long enough the XC-99's market spot was filled with jet aircraft by the time engines for the XC-99 would be ready.
@Terry Melvin The XC-99 still exists, it is now in the USAF museum in Dayton Ohio, to get restored. Only one was built, with the wings and the structure of the B-36, but with a much bigger fuselage. There was plenty of space, they could use only half of it without overloading the aircraft. Unfortunately the Brabazon reminds me a little bit at the A 380, a very luxury aircraft for the passengers, and the biggest passenger aircraft today, now with Corona its future is more unclear than ever, of course the project didn't die like the Brabazon, but it was a economical loss and from the technical standpoint it was obsolete after less than 10 years in production.
My father was a test pilot at Filton when the Brabazon was being developed and was one of its pilots. I think he is third from the left in the photo @ 3:54 but I can't be sure.
@i. rob Boeing have committed the cardinal sin of an aircraft manufacturer. Killing their passengers due to planes that are not safe is a sure fire way of destroying a manufacturer. You would think that Boeing would have known this after the Comet saga. After I heard this come out, I changed my travel plans accordingly. I certainly would not let my kids fly on an aircraft where the company have been shown to cover up serious flaws. If I owned Boeing I would sack every manager at the company. I would also sack every engineer that was even remotlley involved in this incident. I would then replace the engines on the 737 max with ones that actually fit under the aircraft with the idea of scrapping this plane as soon as it's affordable to do so. I would hope that Boeing doesn't go bankrupt due to this error because right now they are in serious risk of going under. Such a shame for a company that had such a solid reputation before this incident.
@i. rob they are an insanely large company and they will most probably weather the storm. They have just lost many people's confidence currently. They are in a position right now where they could get back on track but not with me. I would rather not fly Boeing for a while.
@i. rob I am in Europe so I have loads of choice. You are right though. If there was somewhere I really wanted to go and only Boeing available, I would use it.
At the beginning of the jet age piston engines were state of the art technology, and more fuel efficient than the first jet engines, which were only turbojets, no turbofans. Later jet engines became more efficient, and this development is still ongoing until today.
One last thing, I think it could be extremely interesting to, in addition to the usual technical background, you would also include some of its combat records. Mostly these crazy planes remain as concepts, it'd be great to show everyone how one that was actually built performed in combat.
I agree with you. It should be somehow linked to the Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow. Many military experts believe that the MiG-25 interceptor and its performance which were surprisingly close to that of the CF-105 Arrow is the result of Soviet espionage.
The Bristol Britannia took its place, but it, too, was much delayed, and although it went into service, it was soon done in by the jets. However, had large turboprops been perfected in time, the Brabazon could have been useful. The Soviets developed the Tu-114 from the Tu-95 bomber, and it was very big, fast, very noisy and quite safe. The American B-36 bomber was perhaps nearest to the Brabazon as an aircraft concept, but it was well powered with "six turning, four burning".
This is a fascinating video. My great-great uncle was Leslie George Frise, the chief designer who led the design team and worked with Frank Barnwell to design the Bristol Brabazon and many famous war planes like the Beaufighter. He also invented the Frise Aileron, which was used in many plane designs afterwards to improve adverse yaw and control. I am actually working on a university project to bring the Bristol Brabazon back to life; the aim is to use real footage I will take of the Filton runway while it is still there, then digitally recreate the plane in 3D and use VFX to integrate it with the footage. Leslie died in 1979, so I never got to meet him, but I have heard how dedicated to his work he was from my family. I am looking forward to honouring not only his legacy but also the legacy of British aviation and the integral role that the Filton Runway had when it was owned by the Bristol Aeroplane Company. I won't be finished with this project until December; I have a lot of research to do before I make a start. If anyone has any resources that you think could help, please let me know. I would really appreciate it.
There is a "British Pathé" video floating around about this same airliner (was put as a YT suggestion 2-3 weeks ago) and Googled to find how big was this plane. Found it would be between a B757 and B767 in size (probably between an A300 and A340 for Europeans), so it wouldn't be the biggest commercial aircraft by modern standards (the 300 passenger estimate the narrator put tells you), but TOO MUCH to move by PROPELLER-BASED ENGINES and A LOT by late '40s standards.
An idea that could have saved the Brabazon could have been to replace the piston engines and props with jet engines direct, not turboprops. Looking at the stats for both the Brabazon and the Comet, eight to twelve jets could have got the giant plane off the ground, and may fly at higher speeds too. The range might decrease, but the jumbo might be able to reach New York in the first models.
The problem, as nearly always with very large aircraft of the piston engine era, is engine power. Modern aircraft that use horse power to measure engine output require about 1 horse power for every ten pounds of weight, in the old imperial system. A Brabazon-sized aircraft would therefore need around 29,000 HP to give decent performance. The eight Centaurus engines actually provided about 20,000 HP. Any wonder it was a lumbering beast requiring most of the runway to take off. There were other very large aircraft around at about the same time in America: the Giant Convair XC99 weighing in at 320,000 lbs with six Pratt and Whitney Wasp Major engines and the Lockheed Constitution, a relative lightweight at 250,000 lbs powered by four Wasp Majors. The Wasp Major was the most powerful piston engine ever mass produced with 28 cylinders and 56 spark plugs. Developed versions of this engine achieved 4300 HP. By comparison, a Boeing 777 has two engines of 100,000 lbs thrust each, or approximately 25,000 thrust equivalent horse power (TEHP) each for a total of 50,000 TEHP. That’s why a 777 can easily take off on one engine while the lost of an engine (or a gearbox) on take off for a Brabazon would be catastrophic.
no crashes with the extremly reliable Tu 114 who was basicaly a civilian Tu95 and use long time without problems on lines Moscow-Tokyo and Moscow- La Havana: you confuse with Tu 144 (concordsky)...
As an ex EK pilot - they mastered smoke and mirrors! I was right seat on the 7s but the A380 economy is worse than QF or Singapore but they have 9 or so seats up front that give you access to a shower so there is that. Just ignore the FA suicide rate.
The reason this aircraft was designed and built was because of John Moore-Brabazon and his Tory party connections to the aircraft industry. Basically Moore-Brabazon was a rich playboy who got into government, and he gambled British taxpayer money based on his views of what an aircraft should be (a first-class palace in the air) amidst deep austerity and rationing. There's a possibility that he may have personally enriched himself through this project, even if it failed. Here's the link for the whole story, if you're interested: jalopnik.com/understanding-the-why-behind-why-this-aircraft-was-proc-1626041288 However even if the Brabazon goes mass-market it would still have failed. Very high-powered, supercharged piston engines are incredibly unreliable to the point where an engine failure is practically expected every other flight, especially when flying long-haul such as the Hawaii route. One can say that the Stratocruiser which BOAC used was also a failure because of its unreliability. While the military have unlimited maintenance budgets and demand maximum capability, airlines have to be economical with maintenance. Having an aircraft with 8 giant, complex piston engines connected to 4 overstressed gearboxes is by far the worst nightmare for many maintenance engineers.
It is a shame because on paper it could have worked because there were still wealthy people who wanted to travel long distances at the end of WW2, to America, South America, Australia, India, Singapore and China, which took up to 10 weeks on a passenger ship to China. If this plane had been launched with jet engines and not 16 piston engines to drive it, then the outcome might have been very different. Look at how 'cool' it was to fly on a jet powered Comet, until they started falling from the sky.
It seems that wealthy people pretty fast realized that they now can get over ocean much faster so they began to prefer faster airplanes. The fact that they are smaller and more crowded didn't matter anymore.
The reason why airliners crossing the Atlantic had to have a minimum of 4 engines until quite recently was because of the unreliability of piston engines.
Visit Tucson, AZ. They have an air museum with amazing aircraft from the whole history. You can go back 2-3 times just because there are so many historical gems that you can't take in, in one afternoon.
Unfortunately it fell between the gap of a step in technology, none the less beautiful looking aircraft. I work next door to the building where it was designed, a lovely Art Deco building
I saw it flying once. I was five and can still remember it. Also saw the Princess flying-boat. Incidentally, the wind between UK and US is usually a westerly at those latitudes. They’re named for the direction FROM which they blow.
You show footage of a Lancaster Bomber, and mention the difficulty in converting military aircraft to civilian use. In fact some Lancaster Bombers were converted to Star Class airliners. You may want to consider making a video on such converted bombers.
As a child in the 1950s i remember my father taking us to see a huge pile of scrap which he told us used to be the Brabazon. I am now in my 70s and have for some strange reason retained the memory
nice
Woah,how lucky,I wish i could see one but yeah time passed.
That’s crazy!
They say that important memories are kept in a special place in our brains that even after time we can still remember it clearly l.
Lies
In the very early 50s we would all stand in the school playground and watch in awe as this plane flew over Bristol.The sound it emitted from it's engines was wonderful,I was a 9yr old at the time living in Knowle, southside of the city,i will never forget it.
U have a lovely memory
Very fortunate Peter. Nice!
Daimm .. How old are you Sir?
peter feltham thank you peter very cool!
Ok boomer
They demolished a whole village (Charlton) to extend the runway to enable it to take-off - which, as it turned out, it didn’t need. I grew up near Filton and my dad watched the maiden flight.
Very cool
Totally what the brits do!!Its illarious!!
Nothing says confidence like over guessing in case you need it
The amount of pissed off hissing can still be heard to this very day.
Yes, I remember the famous Brabazon too! It was named after the aircraft minister of the time. At the time I lived in Lawrence Weston, North Bristol, so was well placed to see it flying overhead. How long was it in service, does anyone know?
That really was a good lookin aircraft, can't deny it.....
I would buy it for myself or make it house it already have sleeping compound and theatre dining etc
Reminds me of a suppository.
I was just about to reply to the original comment saying how she has great lines. And then I see your comment and now I can't stop thinking of it as "the Flying Butt-pill" or, more poetically, "the silver bullet", which would be a great name for a high class suppository. Hats off to you, good sir!
This should have been the break-through jet , NOT the Comet . The Brabazon Committee should have modified the piston/prop design , into an in-wing turbojet design . Eight staggered pairs of the reliable RR.Nene/J-33 centrifugal-turbojet engine , at 5.5k.lbs thrust apiece , would have given this plane a takeoff thrust of almost 90k.lbs force , and a high-altitude top-speed of over 500mph . In 1948 the RR.Tay/J-48 (Nene derived) , (8.5k.lb.thrust w/water-injection) , became available , increasing possible Brabazon thrust to 130k.lbs.force . In addition to better servicing the passengers , the economics of prop-craft vs jet-craft would have ensured a healthy and continuous profit-margin . This could have given Britain total ownership of the post-war , long-haul market .
Lack of vision costs , eh ?
D.H.
Im agree with you...should continue the program by changing it into the jet engines.
Honestly, taking the opposite approach and selling out 300 'coach' seats might've been the solution to save the Brabazon
It still would have been to slow compared to the Boeing 707
@@MrGeocidal Sure but it could carry 100 more passengers :p
Michael Piperni it would most probably weigh too much
Arline tickets weren't affordable for normal people in the 50s. Normal people started flying with the 747s in the 70s, though it was still much more expensive compared to the typical income compared to today.
@i. rob Which is exactly why the proposal of seating 300 makes sense
This seems like the kind of thing Mr Burns would invest in.
who's mr burns?
@@heisselnicholaspramoedya8121 The guy who owns the nuclear powerplant in the simpsons
Sick burn
Joseph Charles I said... hop... in!
"and it will fly from New York's Idlewild Airport to the Belgian Congo in 17 minutes!"
I must say, that airborne, the Brabazon makes a handsome aircraft.
David Green
I wish someone had one fully restored that still flew!
Imagine if it was kept as a museum plane
It takes rather a long time getting there though.
Like a zeppelin with wings.
...from a more civilized time.
I like how every crazy design from the 1930-1950s included cocktail lounges, fine restaurants and other insane luxuries lol They really liked being comfortable back then I guess.
And men wore suits and ties and women gone dresses
I think the A380 has those luxuries like the cocktail lounge and first class suites with showers.
@@agentsus9681 not the two QANTAS ones I flew on.
@@JBofBrisbane Do you really need that stuff though tbh, and for 20K? Emirates really only works for luxury, for safety I go with Qantas.
@@FlyingKangaroo1473 which is interesting as emirates has one of the best safety records in the world
"What's it for?"
"Oh, it will redefine luxury."
"So... it will fail very soon?"
Why do people only care about something else
@@jocelynuy2922 well cost?
if something i really worth paying thats completely ok, thats why we still got wired headphones that cost thousands of bucks. because they are a result of research and development that provide really good user experience. same goes for everything.
but if something is expensive just because if its price premium than you got a problem. sure the passengers of th,s plane would be able to relax, but they would be more comfortable on a hotel suit or a transatlantic; where you are not bombarded by the noise of the engines.
Laughs in economy transatlantic flight
"How about screen for every seat and first class cabin instead?"
@@mehmetgurdal if the brabizon was design to carry as many passengers at once it would work decently at the time
@jiyoun park welp. Still could have been a cool idea tho
I´m always amused by the stunning quality of your videos!! This brazilian fan salutes you!
And this other Brazilian too
And this Pole too
and this Indian nerd too
And another brazilian too :)
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It's a good day when Mustard uploads something
YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
no doubt
Preach, brother
IF sucks after global update
SQUIDWARD TENTACLES I agree dude
It's unbelievably sad for me to hear this wonderful plane was destroyed along with it's sister craft. The thing should've been put in a museum for the sake of aviation history!
It's the same with many planes, tanks, ships and anything else big. The problem is this thing is so large no one has the space to house it, and the very few that do are probably using it for more significant aircraft.
@@impguardwarhamer Good point
@@impguardwarhamer very good point indeed!
… meh … it was scuttled because it was a national embarrassment. They could have parked the darn thing next to the Convair B-36 “Peacemaker” in Ft. Worth and call it a day. 🙄
It made more flights than did the Hughes Hercules (aka The Spruce Goose) but it didn't have an eccentric billionaire to store it away for decades.
Felt sad that this incredible plane was sold in scrap.
I never understand this. Why do people lack the vision that someday this plane would be more valuable than simply selling the parts?
ATX NATION Because it wasn’t? In a few years jet engines would surpass propellers
@@ralphyznaga1761 It takes time and if there is embarrassment over it, making it 'disappear' would be attractive. I'll compare that to B-29. Thousands of them were built. The Air Force started scrapping them in the 1950s. By the 1970s they were thought to be extinct with no surviving copies. Only a handful of airframes survived in California and Delaware. It took them sitting for 20+ years for people to realize their historical value and need for preservation. Today, there are about 30 of them left. My point is that a failed program that has tied up resources for far too long, no one is thinking preservation. They are thinking 'get out from under it.' There was no space for vision to exist in that paradigm, yet.
@@ralphyznaga1761 because people dont value old things back then.
The Paradox : it should have survived in a museum...
This thing is like the A380; engineering marvel, economic disaster
L-1011:
Engineering Marvel
Commercial Failure
@RikkyCZ No, I wasn't saying the L-1011 was a failure. I was mentioning another Mustard video about it called 'L-1011: Engineering Marvel, Commercial Failure'
That’s a good comparison... This was the A380 of its day
The designers of the Babizon in the A380 made different mistakes but all came down to not doing the math
If they had done the math early in the design phase both designs could have been successful
That's a good one!!! Thank you
I actually wouldn't care much about how fast it went, because that means more time with the luxuries onboard
That's actually a good point...
Narratives like this are what led me to study Aerospace Engineering. I want to be a part of a story like this someday whether or not the project that I'm working on ends up like the Brabazon or if it ends up like the 707. Thanks, Mustard for helping to inspire me and tons of young engineers like me. :D
Sonu Chadalavada I also want to study aerospace engineering and these videos give me more motivation and inspiration
Honestly, the folks who designed the Brabazon should be proud - the failure of the project was because the plan called for an aircraft nobody wanted that also needed engines that the technology just couldn't support yet. The engineers and designers did a great job.
Brad Lemmond this is what happens with GOVERNMENT intervrvension
@@flybyairplane3528 Without government "intervension", nothing at all would happen. Neither in the USA, where aircraft industry is massively subsidized. The Boeing 707 is the product of Uncle Sam´s pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the B-47 & B-52 bombers, as well as the KC-135, the tanker version of the 707. Nothing (and nothing means NOTHING) really serious is ever done purely by private initiative. Everything depends, in the final analysis, on large contracts from the State.
Currently in 3rd year studying aerospace at UoL. It is challenging but pretty interesting. Good luck buddy 😀
These 3D animations are so sick!!
Incredible job
The chromatic aberration was over done though.
an mlg dual Xeon PC powered that lel
They look pretty healthy to me.
How does he do them so well???
This concept more or less was successfully realised in the Tu-114, even with an initial nod to comfort and luxury. It had the very powerful engines needed, but the noise of its contra-rotating props was legendary, still heard in the Tu-95 and derivatives, the Russian equivalent of the B-52.
The Tu-144 never had turbo props it had after burning turbo jets.
@@jasonirwin4631 Dude he's talking about 114.
01:14 switzerland wasn't occupied by german forces.
Is it the map? Must be a map from the Allied? If it were from the Axis powers it would show the exact opposite thing? (I'm just asking... hello from Romania)
I don't know. To me, it looks like he made the map himself (Mustard).
The Allied and the Axis both new that Switzerland wasn't affected/occupied by any military force. The only "trouble" we had was some bombs dropped from American bombers because they confused some parts of Switzerland with Germany and bombed wrong buildings. Some 40+ people died at one bombing for example.
(Hello back to you from Switzerland :] )
Well, I guess that is just an alternative universe where Operation Tannenbaum did took place and succeeded.
@Dennis Liu
probably, yeah :P
Freidenker CH Neither was Finland
That chrome probably blinded the hell out of other plane pilots. Especially on really sunny days.
Harambe Jr. you’ll never get it in the Uk!
aluminium you ignoramus !
welshpete12 Don’t call me that.
It was a well designed way to make other planes way less safe, then this plane would've been the safest one. It was the only way it could beat it's competitors. Sadly, as the planes never sold, the plan was never achieved.
Polished aluminium ;-)
Why is it so interesting to watch videos about planes and trains?
I absolutely adore your channel. Loads of interesting information under as little as 10 minutes, the animations are absolutely flawless, keep it going! I’ve been watching your videos since the Tu-144 video was rolled out :D. Thank you!
frightone well, I can highly recommend a short documentary about the DH Comet by WTTW producer John Davies available on YT, or a two-part doc from BBC about the history of british aviation. But unfortunately, I’m not familiar with such a channel like Mustard
No
Bristol failed because they didn't subscribe to square space
They didn't have it in 1949. LOL! Haha
Peter Hogben
R/Wooosh
@@calvin3448 r/swoosh
Yes the whole city of bristol failed
Peter Hogben r/wooosh
Mustard, your work is amazing, the background information makes the magic paired with the visuals and sound. Keep up the great work! Greetings from Switzerland.
Why does not this channel have 10 million subscribers?
Filipe because it's not good enough
Give it some time😎
Because most people have no brains
Filipe i agree the animation is phenomenal
Unfortunately Mini-docs about failed aircraft from the middle of last century is probably too niche for the UA-cam algorithm, which is a damn shame to be honest, because even the production value on these videos is higher than some larger channels :(
The reason why we all love mustard’s video this much us because of the insane amount of efforts this guy puts in his video and his passion for the subject.
This is one helluva channel. I have never been this happy discovering new channel before. Thank you!
The UK is great at building planes that nobody wants.
On point ... and they love the Royals, although every other person in the world hates them (except Idiots).
As what one Londoner would say:"We got there first and now were the worst."
alberto sobieski I’m not British lol.
@@madwolf0966 Obviously. You have good teeth.
Paul Sale Britain has some of the best dental care on the planet, that stereotype is so outdated.
Your planes addiction is like Wendover productions with better graphics.
Economists (like Sam) *love* commercial aviation. And I should know because I'm not just a Ph.D. in economics; I'm also a private pilot and aviation enthusiast myself. It's a weird overlap that I suspect has something to do with the part of our brain that economics appeals to as a field of study.
@@CinemaDemocratica you could have stopped after the first sentence but of course, you had to talk about your education and achievements.
Right, because if I'd said "Economists (like Sam) *love* commercial aviation" and stopped there, you or someone very, very, VERY much like you, wouldn't have immediately written, "How the fuck do YOU know?" :D :D D :D :D
CinemaDemocratica what a polite way to say go fuck yourself.
More like Infographics Show
Anyone else rewatching this because of that absolutely beautiful new thumbnail?
A good deal of the engineering advances that went into the Brabazon were later incorporated into the Bristol Britannia. The Proteus engines being the major items, the final incarnation of the engines that were planned to go into the second Brabazon. The Britannia proved very popular with the charter airlines of the late 60's and early 70's, and passengers liked it for its comfort and quietness compared to the 737-100 and the BAC1-11 for example. The Britannia was in effect a much scaled down version of what the Brabazon could have been.
The Bristol Britannia would also later be used to develop the Canadair Argus, Canada’s premiere patrol bomber.
I flew Heathrow to Shannon on a Britannia in 1962. The first one developed engine trouble twice and BOAC ended up putting us all on a 2nd Britannia for a third and successful flight. It looked and felt like a great aircraft. Legroom in economy was tight, however, for my 6’4” frame; my knees were pressing into the seat back in front of me!
After many flights on turbocharged piston planes flying from Heathrow to Malaya in the early 50s I recall my first flight on the Britannia. It was so much faster, smoother and quieter. It was also spacious inside. Beautiful plane and such a step up from piston engines. In later years I flew the Comet and again another step up in quietness and smoothness. Luckily I just dodged the one that exploded due to window failure.
The funny thing is that I think the Brabazon could have stood a chance if they'd just ditched the luxury thought and went the far opposite direction. The ultimate in bulk passenger transport. That thing could've rivaled a 747 in pure numbers--sure you wouldn't get there early, but with that many people funding your flight, you get what you pay for. Besides, if it already had that A/C system, that'd be fine to help out with the numbers.
The Boeing 707 entered service in 1959 with turbo jet engines by 1962 Boeing had improved it with JT3D Turbofan Engines and other refinements. All of those British aircraft that came out of Brabazon committee such as Brabazon, Comet, Viscount, Britannia were so late they were destroyed by the 707 and DC8. Only the viscount succeeded. Latter aircraft such as the VC10, Vanguard also missed the mark.
So they all really needed to get into service by around 1950. The US industry had the Constellation/Super Constellation/Stratocruiser/DC4/6/7.
Speed is not just about passenger's time, to airlines it means more travels thus more revenue.
@@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs ... what are you on about? The Comet entered service in 1952. The issue was the fact it was basically exploding due a design flaw that grounded the whole fleet and prevented sales years before the 707. The 707s design and the DC8s were actually influenced by the lessons learned by the Comet. It is likely that had the roles been reversed the DC8 or 707 being first they would have suffered the same issues as the Comet as they design language of High Altitude aircraft changed because of the unforeseen endurance flaws in the comet.
@@KazikluPrior to the Comet 1 blowing up in mid air two of them crashed due to stalling during take-off rotation. The Comet could stall on the runway, in fact it pitched up into the stall. It was a POS that was never air worthy.
@@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs The Comet 1 was for sure.. which is why all 22 were scrapped. The Comet 2 and 4 both came out before the 707.
This means they couldn't have been so late they were destroyed by the 707 which is the point of contention.
The later Comets were perfectly good aircraft. Had the Comet 1's major flaws, the ones that the 707 and DC8 learned from which in developed for 5 more years.. (the 707 flew the first time 3 years after the Comets were grounded and 2 years after the major issues with the air frame were discovered. ) are what killed it. Not the 707.
Comets were still flying into the 90s and the Nimrod until 2011. Now there are still 707s in the air though they were being produced a lot longer.
The Brabazon was still a legend in the Bristol area in my youth. Three villages were, so I heard, demolished to build the runway at Filton.
This is true. They expanded Filton Airport just to build/house it. You can see bits of the aircraft in M Shed museum in Bristol.
The village of Charlton was demolished with the promise to rehouse them in the new estate of Patchway
I'd rather get there a few hours later in comfort, than get there faster while being compacted like trash in a garbage compactor.
You would hate Asian airlines, 500+ people crammed into aircraft that are a tight squeeze with just 300 aboard. Chinese Southern and Asiana both bought A380's but so far haven't tried out it's maximum configuration of 856 passengers but give it time :/
Yeah that's pretty ridiculous. In that situation, if it's a short flight, like under an hour, I'd rather stand than but crushed into a seat with my knees being pushed into my chest from having no space between the rows.
Ikr, Air Asia Airbus 320-200 Surabaya Penang. Not just cramped but the cabin baggage compartment cannot hold as much as the many passengers. And they put jarring advertisement poster on top of it.
3 hrs and half flight made me exhausted for four days, flying compactor, pain is real.
Welcome to the beauty of capitalism my friends! Garbage compactor is a great one!
+Rob Fraser JAL is like 3x better than any fucking American airline that flies transcontinental.
I shared your video and channel with an aviation group I'm a member of. I'm sure they will become instant subscribers, just as I did after watching your content. Keep it coming!
The problem was designing a plane with piston engines in an era when jets were arising.
More like economical problem, Brabazon could have been a success if they can redesign it as economic-class seats only plane
That’s not an issue. In the 1950s piston planes were still widely used it was mainly in the 1960s where jets really took off.
@@emmaherron5121 Plus the Brabazon were already designed to use the more powerful turboprop engines
@@emmaherron5121 The B36 used piston engines in a similarly big, heavy but slow aeroplane and it certainly was an issue in many respects.
@@09onine This would have turned it into an earlier and likely considerably slower Tu-114. It might have worked to some degree but even with the Tu-114's competitive speed, those weren't built in particularly large numbers either, so the success of a turboprop Brabazon doesn't look at all certain.
"Bristol Brabazon" is the most rock-n-roll name of plane in history :)
I cal almost smell the fuel and shaving cream! ✈️💪🏼
BOO
@@Mick_92 are u a bot
@@VBoeing Yes.
It's a silly name
As an Englishman, I would like to thank you for showcasing some of our aviation history, that was suddenly lost some time after the 1960's!
I have something to say are you happy your the king of aircraft😊😊😊😊😊
@Star Trek Theory explain old cake.
@Star Trek Theory i was asking how?
@@gordonferrar7782 He can't tell you how. He can only parrot memes and rhetoric anytime he feels insecure about his misplaced and overinflated nationalism. This nationalism usually stems from a gaping hole in one's personal life. He probably wasn't hugged enough as a child, or he was hugged too much.
Concorde and Harrier?
The new thumbnail looks sick!
Mustard.....just wanted to add my "attaboy"..... your shorts are terrific.... consider (time and funds permitting) longer form mini-docs with "Steam-punkish" elements like the clash between the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia...your design/direction style would suit that very well....visual elements like animated daguerreotypes would smash !..... Read Richard Snow's Iron Dawn for a bit of inspiration..........look to the sea...........
Good Lord, that's a beautiful plane! What does it for me is the "simplicity"! And I really mean that as a compliment!
TheParallellinial, they the British were putting people in the labor force that had many people that were trained in building aircraft. It was just a government job situation. Besides the Brits are good aircraft builders & laziness is frowned upon
it is a wonderfully clean design from an aerodynamics standpoint
It's a barge when compared to the Constellation.
@@davidvance6367 having a governmt job in most countries considers as a privilege
that engine layout is bananas, 8 x V-16s, all reciprocating, all iron... it is amazing it flew at all.
Mustard! Such a pleasure doing my little bit to help out and getting to see this video come together. Amazing, as always. You deserve millions of subs, dude!
And yes the British Empire is no more. But they still make a great cup of tea...
...and nice little political discussions that don't go to anywhere.
Kirina Yuuki lamoofof
@i. rob You're bloody joking!
Tea imported from
Kenya and Sri lanka 😂
1) Tea is grown then blended and 2) It's too mild for tea plantations. 3) It's too high in tanin for anyone else to stomach. I drink Adsa (which is Walmart) budget own brand and it's fine. I'm not sure but I think only the British actually put milk into it.
I'm glad that UA-cam put your channel in my feed. I've been an aviation fan all of my life and it's very cool to see something new, new to me anyway. Thanks for posting this video.
I have the feeling everything created in Britain always looks super nice and it is super modern but also so overwhelmingly complicated.
when I see something like that plane I think how stupid it is cause what happens when a propellor break off and goes into one of the jet engine's think about that happening cause that's what comes to mind when I see those planes🤣🤣🤣
FINALLY, THE BRISTOL BRABAZON, The Brabazon was basically the British stratocruiser
Except the Stratocruiser was pretty successful technically and commercially.
Soviets liked British engineering a lot, like Rolls-Royce jet engines they copied, the Concorde they stole and much more than that.
The Brits should have been the first to fly super sonic, but they gave the flying tail technology to America, stopped funding their own super sonic program which would have been the first and allowed the Americans to be first.
It's mysterious as to what is going on, but when given the opportunity Britons are world beaters.
Technically, yes, commercially not as much. It was still too big and luxurious with a bar/lounge below, dressing rooms, a private compartment in some configurations and way less than 100 seats.
The Douglas DC-6/7 and Lockheed Constellation hit the sweet spot for commercial propliner success.
Designed during WW2 with piston engines the Boeing Stratocruiser, Douglas DC-6/7 and Lockheed Constellation made sense, where as the Brabazon made after the war made no sense, it's designed to be an ocean liner in the sky with a low seating capacity, and shouldn't have had piston engines.
Speed and seating capacity should have been the primary design goals, Briton was the first to have jets and turboprops, there was no reason why it wasn't 100+ mph faster and have a higher seating capacity.
Other than that, it was still a good looking airliner.
Maybe they should have gone the opposite direction, no fluff and squish 300+ seats into that thing. Then the Brabazon could have competed with low ticket prices against the early jets.
For anyone wondering, the oceanliner at the 30 second mark, is called the SS Normandie
Yo, listen up! My dude got skills for real, but even he gotta use a u t h e n t I c v i e w s to get that quick shine. If you tryna get your name out there and blow up fast, you gotta roll with a u t h e n t I c v i e w s. That's the move, no cap.
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I love that cockpit window arrangement. Coupled with the smooth shape of the rest of the fuselage, very pretty. Jet engines and some sleeker wings might have sealed the deal.
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As a Brit myself, I find it interesting the number of times Britain looks back technically speaking, rather than forwards. A documentary about High Speed 1, HS1, the first purpose built High Speed Rail line in Britain, talked about how the Eurostar (the High Speed train that connects London to Paris, Brussels and (more recently) Amsterdam) "as soon as it emerges from the Channel Tunnel, the Eurostar shares tracks with 20th Century trains moving at 19th Century speeds," so rather than running at the full 186mph (300kph) they're capable of, on 25kv AC overhead wires, they (until 2007) ran on an outdated 750v DC third rail system with a top speed of 90mph and on the run to the original terminal at the London end at Waterloo, they'd barely reach 50mph and sometimes even barely move at walking pace seemingly
True, Britain has one if the worst railway in Europe. Spain' s and Italy's trains are fast, clean and elegant. And the fastest train in the UK
is actually Italian technology.
@Mundo 2024 part of the problem is that there seems to be in many places in Britain that when it comes to major infrastructure projects have a "Not In My Back Yard" (NIMBY) mentality. Even from the early days of railways. One quote from the documentary "Ian Hislop Goes Off The Rails" mentions one of these mindsets from the time (1840's and 1850's):
"Railways have set all the towns of Britain a-dancing. Reading is coming up to London, Basingstoke is going up from Gosport or Southampton, confusingly waltzing in a state of progressive disillusion and know not where the end of the death dance will be for them."
@Mundo 2024 another example is in a one off documentary I'd recommend watching, "Ian Hislop Goes Off The Rails," there was one point in that, while watching an old Newsreel of a streamlined train running between London and Newcastle that claimed it was "keeping up the prestige of Britain's railways," but as Ian Hislop himself noted, it wasn't really the case:
"By the 1930's British steam trains were smashing International Records. It looked wonderful, it looked like progress, but sadly, it was exactly the opposite. While we were still in love with steam [as a form of traction], other countries were already heavily investing in really modern technology, like high speed diesel and electric traction,"
You honestly remind me of Ahoy, and that's an great thing, your editing is also unique and I very much enjoy it.
You are very satisfying with your videos, combining your commentary well with the actual videos and edited scenes that you use.
Looking forward to where your channel goes and happy to be here with you for your fast start to UA-cam.
Keep up the great work, your content is very interesting.
Urban_Foxtrot ”you are editing”
very true. I think I found mustard from an ahoy video. glad I did. the animations are gorgeous.
So beautiful.
I have to say Britain always makes the most good looking planes
Unfortunately Britian made planes that didn't perform and no one wanted to buy, the U.K. no longer has any companies left that make commercial airliners.
"The meteorite proves glass cockipts were a fad"
Its true, i much prefer to pilot good 'ol analog instruments that a tv screen
lol.. have you tried actually typing in the web address? hilarious
Real men use analog :D
damonstr but real pilots use glass cockpits :)
I can do things with my glass cockpit you couldn’t dream of with analog. I’ve got a Piper Cub with a basic steam gauge panel for day VFR... but for hard IFR in high density airspace, few things are better than my military grade Collins Proline 21 EFIS and FMS3000 Flight Management System.
And then we built Concorde.
HypersonicMonkeyBrains another failure of a plane. Marvel yes, but not profitable. Especially when nobody would allow it to land anywhere.
Failure yea right. whatever. Just because you never got to see it in person you're all butthurt.
HypersonicMonkeyBrains I’ve seen the Concorde it looks like a baby plane. It was a failure. You can’t have a plane that can only fly to 4 or 5 destinations. It’s not going to work. Boeing was smart enough to cancel their project before they wasted billions on it. The Concorde was doomed from the start. Only 2 national airlines used it because of national pride.
you clearly dont understand the definition of failure. Now then a failure would be the Russian Tupolev Tu-144 - crashed on a test flight while being delivered, and the passenger fleet was permanently grounded after only 55 scheduled flights. The aircraft remained in use as a cargo aircraft until 1983, by which point a total of only 102 commercial flights had been completed.
HypersonicMonkeyBrains The Concorde wasn't a complete failure. It also wasn't a success. It was a boondoggle that failed as a passenger aircraft. It didn't have the passenger compacity to compete with the 747 or the cargo capacity. You would be able to carry more cargo in a 737 then the Concorde with the 737 filled with passengers at the same time. You can't fly a plane commercially that can only fly to 4 destinations. Boeing was smart enough to stop it before it was too late. The Concorde was doomed from the start. It was a waste of France and Englands resources. It is no different then the Bristol aimed at the same elite class of consumers.
Honestly, the music in all your video's are on point
This plane is beatutifull
Except for those underpowered shit engines, lol. Just by looking at the props, you can see that they're not big enough to adequately power the aircraft. 😂
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The Tu-114 was the real deal. 😊👍
Oh Lawd Piston engines were only intended an interim.
Oh Lawd it had 6 Bristol centaurs, one of the most powerful radial engines ever made.
@@ohlawd3699 Now THAT was a plane.
The Brabazon was orignally an "100-ton" class strategic bomber designed in 1943 by Bristol and the 8 engines were put at the back of the wings (pushing) instead of conventional layout. The take-off weight of that bomber is 130 tons. And it could carry two 22,000lbs bombs, the "Grand Slam". Actually, the bomb load was 2 tons more than the US XB-36 design at the same time. (However, XB-36 evolved into B-36 but the Bristol "100-ton" became Brabazon.)
By the way, the Brabazon could be call an 8-engined aircraft as well as a 4-engined aircraft. Two coupled Centaurus 57 engines made one Centaurus 20 engine in Bristol Company database. So, the Brabazon got 8 Centaurus 57 engines or 4 Centaurus 20 engines.
I say it on every one of these videos, but i just can't get over the incredible quality of the graphics, animations and 3d models in these, it's off the charts, better than anything on mainstream tv.
Vickers VC-10 please!
...its coming
o.0
Mustard then do the VC-10ski, the il-62
Superb. I never understood why it didn't sell, it was a brilliant aircraft that could fly faster and use more difficult airports than Boeing's of the time. It was like a British Lockheed TriStar - great but no buyers ?
Gotta thank BOAC for that, couldn't wait for the VC10 they asked for and took the 707. They operated both for a time but from what I understand, the VC10 wasn't able to shine so much no thanks to the 707s earlier service entry.
Congrats on the blow up Mustard I’m so happy I’ve been with you for the long journey and more to come! Next up 1 mil!
One of the best put together videos I've seen. Good Job , you made my day.
You should really talk about the CF-105 Arrow. It's an interesting story... especially with the technological advancements made with this plane!
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Totally agree with you. I made the same request. There is a lot of mystery around the cancellation of this technological gem.
@@vieuxbal1253 The Arrow and the TSR-2 both victims of shady governmental meddling.
@@davekp6773 Absolutely!
America's Brabazon the Spruce Goose, at least the Brabazon did fly and not just accidentally jump into the air once.
Naming it Brabazon was like John naming his car DeLorean . Also , the American equivalent aircraft was the Convair XC-99 . They also failed to realize their planes jumbo-jet potential .
*Would've, could’ve, should’ve !
D.
that isn't fair, Hercules is still a better plane!
@Terry Melvin
It's husk does ; looks kinda like a small cave !
They could have engined it similar to the Comet , but with staggered three-sets of engines .
*Almost had it !
Read Quora thread : What failed the Bristol Brabazon? Could it have been rescued...?
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@Terry Melvin much like the Brabazon it suffered from huge piston engines only just able to do the job; large turboprops reliable enough for civillian use took just long enough the XC-99's market spot was filled with jet aircraft by the time engines for the XC-99 would be ready.
@Terry Melvin The XC-99 still exists, it is now in the USAF museum in Dayton Ohio, to get restored. Only one was built, with the wings and the structure of the B-36, but with a much bigger fuselage. There was plenty of space, they could use only half of it without overloading the aircraft.
Unfortunately the Brabazon reminds me a little bit at the A 380, a very luxury aircraft for the passengers, and the biggest passenger aircraft today, now with Corona its future is more unclear than ever, of course the project didn't die like the Brabazon, but it was a economical loss and from the technical standpoint it was obsolete after less than 10 years in production.
My father was a test pilot at Filton when the Brabazon was being developed and was one of its pilots. I think he is third from the left in the photo @ 3:54 but I can't be sure.
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This channel is so underrated
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That aircraft would be fully booked every day today. You know, transatlantic luxurious nostalgic flights.
5:58 "The comet didn't fly as far as the Brabazon." That's an understatement..
Boeing seems to have the same problems as what comet did these days
@i. rob Boeing have committed the cardinal sin of an aircraft manufacturer. Killing their passengers due to planes that are not safe is a sure fire way of destroying a manufacturer.
You would think that Boeing would have known this after the Comet saga. After I heard this come out, I changed my travel plans accordingly. I certainly would not let my kids fly on an aircraft where the company have been shown to cover up serious flaws.
If I owned Boeing I would sack every manager at the company. I would also sack every engineer that was even remotlley involved in this incident. I would then replace the engines on the 737 max with ones that actually fit under the aircraft with the idea of scrapping this plane as soon as it's affordable to do so. I would hope that Boeing doesn't go bankrupt due to this error because right now they are in serious risk of going under. Such a shame for a company that had such a solid reputation before this incident.
@i. rob they are an insanely large company and they will most probably weather the storm. They have just lost many people's confidence currently. They are in a position right now where they could get back on track but not with me. I would rather not fly Boeing for a while.
@i. rob I am in Europe so I have loads of choice. You are right though. If there was somewhere I really wanted to go and only Boeing available, I would use it.
At the beginning of the jet age piston engines were state of the art technology, and more fuel efficient than the first jet engines, which were only turbojets, no turbofans. Later jet engines became more efficient, and this development is still ongoing until today.
I think you should make a video about the MIG-25. It gets almost no attention at all despite its technological importance and overall craziness.
....you're not going to have to wait very long for a video about the Mig-25 ;)
I guess my suggestion was a relevant one :D
One last thing, I think it could be extremely interesting to, in addition to the usual technical background, you would also include some of its combat records. Mostly these crazy planes remain as concepts, it'd be great to show everyone how one that was actually built performed in combat.
I agree with you. It should be somehow linked to the Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow. Many military experts believe that the MiG-25 interceptor and its performance which were surprisingly close to that of the CF-105 Arrow is the result of Soviet espionage.
The Bristol Britannia took its place, but it, too, was much delayed, and although it went into service, it was soon done in by the jets. However, had large turboprops been perfected in time, the Brabazon could have been useful. The Soviets developed the Tu-114 from the Tu-95 bomber, and it was very big, fast, very noisy and quite safe. The American B-36 bomber was perhaps nearest to the Brabazon as an aircraft concept, but it was well powered with "six turning, four burning".
When you're doing homework but Mustard uploads a video
Wait I swear you had 700k sub's???
I thought he had 7 billion subs
This is a fascinating video. My great-great uncle was Leslie George Frise, the chief designer who led the design team and worked with Frank Barnwell to design the Bristol Brabazon and many famous war planes like the Beaufighter. He also invented the Frise Aileron, which was used in many plane designs afterwards to improve adverse yaw and control.
I am actually working on a university project to bring the Bristol Brabazon back to life; the aim is to use real footage I will take of the Filton runway while it is still there, then digitally recreate the plane in 3D and use VFX to integrate it with the footage. Leslie died in 1979, so I never got to meet him, but I have heard how dedicated to his work he was from my family. I am looking forward to honouring not only his legacy but also the legacy of British aviation and the integral role that the Filton Runway had when it was owned by the Bristol Aeroplane Company. I won't be finished with this project until December; I have a lot of research to do before I make a start.
If anyone has any resources that you think could help, please let me know. I would really appreciate it.
*THAT IS SO HUUUGEEEEEE PLANE*
There is a "British Pathé" video floating around about this same airliner (was put as a YT suggestion 2-3 weeks ago) and Googled to find how big was this plane. Found it would be between a B757 and B767 in size (probably between an A300 and A340 for Europeans), so it wouldn't be the biggest commercial aircraft by modern standards (the 300 passenger estimate the narrator put tells you), but TOO MUCH to move by PROPELLER-BASED ENGINES and A LOT by late '40s standards.
Eriq Affandi back then. It was huge. And now we have the Antonov 225
Thought Mustard posted a new video with the Title and Thumbnail change. Damn
literally same lmao
Even though Mustard also has a video on that plane. The title is wrong. The Saunders Roe Princess is significantly larger than the Brabazon.
The only thing that is missing is the bathroom
Lol
Having a bath on a plane seems a little too extravagant.
Right, they had toilets instead 😉
Rich people don't poo or pee
why cant you just piss before takeoff and no wanking in toilets for the flight either
Very nice! Do a video about Boeing Dash 80 and its -Barrel Roll- Exciting manouver done by Tex Johnson!
An idea that could have saved the Brabazon could have been to replace the piston engines and props with jet engines direct, not turboprops. Looking at the stats for both the Brabazon and the Comet, eight to twelve jets could have got the giant plane off the ground, and may fly at higher speeds too. The range might decrease, but the jumbo might be able to reach New York in the first models.
I guess the 747 was like a slap on the face when it was introduced when it beat them in the one thing they did years back...
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The problem, as nearly always with very large aircraft of the piston engine era, is engine power. Modern aircraft that use horse power to measure engine output require about 1 horse power for every ten pounds of weight, in the old imperial system. A Brabazon-sized aircraft would therefore need around 29,000 HP to give decent performance. The eight Centaurus engines actually provided about 20,000 HP. Any wonder it was a lumbering beast requiring most of the runway to take off. There were other very large aircraft around at about the same time in America: the Giant Convair XC99 weighing in at 320,000 lbs with six Pratt and Whitney Wasp Major engines and the Lockheed Constitution, a relative lightweight at 250,000 lbs powered by four Wasp Majors. The Wasp Major was the most powerful piston engine ever mass produced with 28 cylinders and 56 spark plugs. Developed versions of this engine achieved 4300 HP. By comparison, a Boeing 777 has two engines of 100,000 lbs thrust each, or approximately 25,000 thrust equivalent horse power (TEHP) each for a total of 50,000 TEHP. That’s why a 777 can easily take off on one engine while the lost of an engine (or a gearbox) on take off for a Brabazon would be catastrophic.
These videos are simply AMAZING, so very well researched and written, so very well produced. High Marks to say the least and Thank You !
Looks like the Comet mixed with Tu-114 xD
The Tu-114 was just as bad though, crashed all the time xD.
no crashes with the extremly reliable Tu 114 who was basicaly a civilian Tu95 and use long time without problems on lines Moscow-Tokyo and Moscow- La Havana: you confuse with Tu 144 (concordsky)...
Ibirdball The Tu-114 had only 1 fatal accident xD
The Tu-114 looks like it came straight from a bomber project with that glass nose (which... it actually did so)
Sigui Tim XD true
Irony about this plane is that it offered 1960s version of what Air Emirates offers today with A380.
OMG UR RIGHT!!!
As an ex EK pilot - they mastered smoke and mirrors! I was right seat on the 7s but the A380 economy is worse than QF or Singapore but they have 9 or so seats up front that give you access to a shower so there is that. Just ignore the FA suicide rate.
the animations are top notch. it makes this channel stand out
I watched this fly over Cardiff my home town when I was 12 years old thanks for the video
The reason this aircraft was designed and built was because of John Moore-Brabazon and his Tory party connections to the aircraft industry. Basically Moore-Brabazon was a rich playboy who got into government, and he gambled British taxpayer money based on his views of what an aircraft should be (a first-class palace in the air) amidst deep austerity and rationing. There's a possibility that he may have personally enriched himself through this project, even if it failed.
Here's the link for the whole story, if you're interested:
jalopnik.com/understanding-the-why-behind-why-this-aircraft-was-proc-1626041288
However even if the Brabazon goes mass-market it would still have failed. Very high-powered, supercharged piston engines are incredibly unreliable to the point where an engine failure is practically expected every other flight, especially when flying long-haul such as the Hawaii route. One can say that the Stratocruiser which BOAC used was also a failure because of its unreliability. While the military have unlimited maintenance budgets and demand maximum capability, airlines have to be economical with maintenance. Having an aircraft with 8 giant, complex piston engines connected to 4 overstressed gearboxes is by far the worst nightmare for many maintenance engineers.
Why governments shouldn't run industry
Avantime do you realize what that STRATOCRUISER “ was ? The B29 body hated to another price of another, which explains why it looks as it did .
It is a shame because on paper it could have worked because there were still wealthy people who wanted to travel long distances at the end of WW2, to America, South America, Australia, India, Singapore and China, which took up to 10 weeks on a passenger ship to China. If this plane had been launched with jet engines and not 16 piston engines to drive it, then the outcome might have been very different. Look at how 'cool' it was to fly on a jet powered Comet, until they started falling from the sky.
It seems that wealthy people pretty fast realized that they now can get over ocean much faster so they began to prefer faster airplanes. The fact that they are smaller and more crowded didn't matter anymore.
The reason why airliners crossing the Atlantic had to have a minimum of 4 engines until quite recently was because of the unreliability of piston engines.
I ADORE your visual style ! It's so eye catching and at the same time so easy to watch. I don't know how to explain it. :D
Interesting, updated thumbnail.
This is a really high quality video
I like how old fashioned way of traveling seems so romantic i have a fascination with things like old cruise liners and air ships
This is a fantastic channel! Love all this retro technica stuff! Maybe you could do one on the soviet ekroplanes? Keep up the good work!
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Man, how I wish all those planes where still out there to visit...
Visit Tucson, AZ. They have an air museum with amazing aircraft from the whole history. You can go back 2-3 times just because there are so many historical gems that you can't take in, in one afternoon.
My 2.9 year old is OBSESSED with the Brabazon. I think it's the name.
I was shocked that there are so many videos about it.
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Unfortunately it fell between the gap of a step in technology, none the less beautiful looking aircraft. I work next door to the building where it was designed, a lovely Art Deco building
I saw it flying once. I was five and can still remember it. Also saw the Princess flying-boat. Incidentally, the wind between UK and US is usually a westerly at those latitudes. They’re named for the direction FROM which they blow.
You show footage of a Lancaster Bomber, and mention the difficulty in converting military aircraft to civilian use.
In fact some Lancaster Bombers were converted to Star Class airliners. You may want to consider making a video on such converted bombers.
He did a video about them Soviets turning a Tu-95 bomber into a passenger plane
Filip Golonka yeah tu-114
A Lancaster was borrowed to test out the innovative control system-not quite fly-by-wire.
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Britain: *hold my teabag mate*
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@@maxhunt5702 ah yes my mistake thank you