If a grownup in 1949 let's assume 20 years old in 1949. Commented in 2022. Might be 93 years old in 2022 and 95 now. But wait, my grandparents are younger in their 70s and face difficulty typing on smartphones.
@ Steven brooks it wasn’t out of date. The Constellation Starliner would make its first flight 7 years later and only be in service for one year before regular jet service started replacing it. The problem was no market. The British Empire was shrinking and no airlines had the cash or passengers to justify it. Airliners like the huge Stratocruiser lost a lot of money because of how expensive they were to purchase and operate.
@@calvinnickel9995 You have literally described the conditions of being out of date. You couldn't even spell my name correctly when it is written down. What other examples of idiocy would you like to display?
My father worked on the Brabazon after working on Beaufighters during the war. My grandfather was Site Agent for Laing on the new Filton Brabazon hanger. There was a combined staff trip to Clevedon. My father went and my grandfather took two of his daughters one of whom became my mum. Her sister married another Laing guy and in 1968 he arranged for me to also join Laing as the start to a 54 year career in construction. We had the famous Brabazon picture in our living room for years.
Dad had pictures of the Beau on the same album page as the Mosquitos he was training on at No. 51 OTU. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the course syllabus had some trips in the Beau as they had some of the older radar sets in them. Training was thorough in those days and he spoke of using several different sets on the course.
I saw the Brabazon overfly Liverpool around 1950 or thereabouts, my father worked at RAF Hooton Park at the time and told me to look out for it, it flew over around midday quite a sight for a young 9/10 yo lad.
I lived in Filton Avenue , Bristol at the time of the engine tests . As a 3 year old I was terrified by the noise of the engine tests . One of my earliest memories .
Lots of planes were built without a computer, they sucked. You sound like a luddite. "they don't make cars like they used to, they put all these computers in them." yeah, they're safer, faster, better gas mileage, better handling, better braking; what more do you old timers want? Go fly on a plane back in those days and you were taking your life in your hands. Now it is the safest form of travel. Thank god we put computers in these things to help us fly them.
The village of Charleton was demolished to extend the runway for the Brabazon. In the jet age the aircraft was already obsolete and never came into service.
@@startingbark0356 Larger aircraft don’t usually fly slower. They often have to fly faster, because they are heavier and they need to generate more lift. The reason this plane is probably able to takeoff and fly so slow is because it has little payload and is particularly light. A 767 can takeoff at 108kts when it weighs 90,000kgs, but it can only takeoff at 170kts at 190,000kgs. That’s the exact same plane and the only thing that changed was the weight.
Notice the great care taken by the pilot in demonstrating the airplane well within its limits and never losing sight of the fact that it’s not all about him. It amazes me how any flight organization can allow the kinds of out-of-control personalities to fly air shows, who ultimately cause terrible catastrophes. The way this pilot flies is how it’s done.
Some of the comments on here absolutely begged belief? The Brabazon had eight engines, one for each of its four contra rotating props, it was not in any way stalling as it flew, 160kts is pretty much flat out for an aircraft of that time, it’s failure was due to the fact that in 1949 jets had been flying for 6 years, this aircraft was abandoned for that reason and although it took a few more years before jet passenger aircraft flew, the Bristol company’s next attempt was the Britannia, a turbo prop aircraft that was ahead of its time for about 10 days before everything without jets were obsolete. That was the pace of progress at that time, 1949 piston engine aircraft that could nearly make London New York, 1969 Concorde M2.00 at 65,000’
I saw it flying over the Craigantlet hills near Belfast. I would have been 4 at the time. From our house across the valley from Stormont it was just a line in the sky as it turned towards us, but I could see the nacelles on its wings. That's all the memory I have, just that dark line with the lumps on it, but anything I see or read of it is still thrilling. Long ago now.
Saw a doc on this about 20 years ago. The plane landed so softly the pilots actually had a light on the panel that told them when the wheels touched down. I believe it flew for a few years. Since it was so comparably slow (and took so long to cross the ocean) the interior still followed the concept of a “cruise ship of the skies”, and couldn’t economically compete with faster competing aircraft. Too bad it wasn’t preserved in a museum, as was the Spruce Goose. Sadly out of date before or just after it took off.
"The plane landed so softly the pilots actually had a light on the panel that told them when the wheels touched down." That doesn't make sense. Any plane lands as hard or as softly as the pilot puts it onto the ground. Many planes have a weight-on-wheels sensor which, for example, prevents deployment of reverse thrust while in flight. Probably the maker of the documentary misunderstood this.
@@beeble2003 No, wing aspect ratio and wing loading are major factors in how smoothly an aircraft lands. Basically when an aircraft has a lot of excess lift available, lift tends to bleed off slower, and the pilot has better trajectory control of the aircraft during the landing maneuver and therefore can land softly.
I was wondering just that, how practical she would have been for regular commercial air travel. But as a luxury liner she must have been super comfortable. I wonder many for built, which airlines flew her and for how long.
This plane had maximum take off weight of 131 tons, whereas Boeing 747 had 300 tons when she made her maiden flight in 1969. Bristol Brabazon was very much a plane of the early 40s, and came too late to do anything, the age of jet was coming, to put things into perspective, Soviet Tupolev Tu-95 from 1952 had almost 200 ton capable take off weight, and was a turbo prop design as well, Bristol Brabazon never stood a chance.
The B36 went into service a year before this video had a loaded weight of over 200 tons, but was superseded by the B52. Lightly loaded, it could fly high enough that MiGs could not reach them during the Korean War.
Brabazon was obsolete before she was built. Lockheed Constellation was already in airline service for fours years. Surely, the committee could see this??
I love the shape of airliners from that era, very similar to the Constellation. Note how Bristol engineers used round windows, but De Havilland screwed up the otherwise much more advanced Comet by using square ones!!! The Comet's first flight was 2 months before the brabazon, but once the windows were fixed, lasted many decades.
School kids sitting on a roof enjoying the event, can you imagine the headlines today . Near tragedy , as children put the lives at risk at air display , parents arrested for neglect.
My grandmother was in the Red cross at the time the Brabazon was due to appear at a local air show. She and a considerable number of other medical personal were held on standby at a nearby location in readiness for what was considered a possible disaster situation in the event of the aircraft failing in flight. I believe we have her notes on the deployment in her Red Cross log book.
The British had at one time ruled the seas but suffered so many setbacks in aviation. Like this Barbazon, only one was built because nobody wanted it. The Comet, Concorde, VC-10 and Trident were commercial failures because of the competition from Boeing and Douglas (besides the Concorde, Boeing was smart and bailed from its SST pgm). Not a single country in Western Europe aside from the UK bought the British made jets but instead went with the American.
@@austindarrenor You know there must have been good reasons for that. fuel use, size, costs, the same things that people make decisions about today, perhaps politics, government and private.
@@scottdowney4318 True enough. And the 707 was just an incredibly well made airplane put thru every test under the sun. Also I believe that the demands put on Vickers and Hawker Siddely by BOAC and BEA made their jets unattractive to foreign airlines. And the fast American built Convair Coronado suffered its terrible demise for its fuel consumption just to get there ten minutes earlier.
Squadron Leader Jim Murray RNZAF flew the Brabazon once on Aug 25 1951 with W Gibb, R Ellison amd J Howman. Filton -Belfast return 4.50hrs. Jim was at Filton test flying the new Bristol Freighters for the RNZAF and had the amazing opportunity to fly the largest aircraft in the world. Jim was a 43 op Bomber Command veteran taking part in the Tirpitz raids in Norway in 1942, the 1000 bomber raids and many ops to Tobruk and Al Alamein flying Halifaxes for 10 Sqn.
I think it was more likely significantly out of date by the time it took to the air. If it was intended to steal passengers from cruise ships that bird had already flown and flown again by 1949.
well it was when it was thought of but b4 it was a prototype it was all ready too old and anyone can see it was way underpowered just from the rollout and take off and on top of that as it was test flight so im guessing the fuel would have very lite load and only a few on board no bags
there was no mention of the aircrafts unusual engine setup, 8 engines for 4 props, another forgotten giant is the Short Belfast turboprop of which only 10 were made for the RAF.
The Brabazon was using a 4-engine, 3-blade 'contra-rotating propeller' which though noisy, enhanced air intake, produced more power but with fuel efficiency. The US and British aircraft engineers never mastered the problems with the rotary shaft systems. The Russians however overcame that with 4-blades and produced the legendary Tupolev TU-95 'Bear', a huge, long range, swept-back wings, turboprop strategic bomber aircraft in 1952. It is still being used (after many upgrades) by the Russian Air Force even after 70 years !
Clearly there were 8 engines as could be seen by the start up of a set of engines and the 8 air intakes per wing. Don't really have to look things up just have to observe. Sad that the aircraft was not saved. Lots of man hours painstakingly spent in producing it. Sad when it was destroyed. Much the same as the Avro Arrow in Canada. Easier to tear something apart than to put it together.
Looked under powered. ROC after take off low, nose pitched down soon after take off to gain airspeed it seems. Remember, this was an unloaded aircraft.
That's absolutely amazing that that Behemoth got off the ground in a little over 1500 ft! Runways today are over a mile long, This Plane would have had no problem! A little before my time though. That's a great pilot in that plane. Getting up is one thing getting safely down is another!!
This aircraft (G-AGWP) was the only Brabazon ever built - it was a sensation at its time but unfortunately economically totally unsuccesful. Instead of the Brabazon the Lockheed Super Constellation became the "Queen of the Skies" in the 1950ies. The Bristol Britannia as successor of the Brabazon became years later a little bit more succesful with 85 sold copies.
Today is the first time I’ve ever heard of the Brabazon. The only thing I know about it is what I listened to in this video. Nevertheless I have three comments about the Barbazon: 1. It should have been built with jet engines and not reciprocating engines. 2. I’m guessing here, but with its power to weight ratio I’ll bet it was extremely under powered. 3. It was a very sleek and beautiful aircraft. For that the designers should take a big bow.
To be successful, the Brabazon needed to be able to pack in passengers, not like the cattle class of today, but sufficient to achieve satisfactory costs per seat mile, and to have the range to enable it to operate on long-distance sectors, and performance to enable it to achieve satisfactory turnarounds. It is doubtful if the jet engines of the time could have helped, as they had a voracious appetite for fuel.
Yes, it was totally underpowered and that was a major reason for its failure. So the Lockheed Super Constellation became the "Queen of the Skies" of the 1950ies.
After its second flight, they found structural cracks that meant the wings would gave dropped off if she went up again; the whole project had to be scrapped.
Very sad , Britian had the manufacturing ability , it just needed the correct design , it turned out to be the Boeing 707 , but funnily enough the prop driven Lockheed Constellation was a sales success till 1958 .
The Constellation was a superior plane in every aspect: capacity, speed, and performance. As elegant as the Brabazon was, it was a white elephant doomed from the start.
A good example of how British designers got it completely wrong - cruised at only 250mph, at the dawning of the jet age. Luxury inside, not bums on seats. Same as the complete waste that was Concorde - the plane that helped finish UK airliner industry. Too loud to fly over land, too expensive, too small seat capacity - Jumbo jet, entirely different, and still flying. If the UK had put money into more wide body jet airliners, it would have an aircraft industry competing against the USA today - due to all the experienced workers gained in the war. And that experience passed down.
Great film of the mighty Brabazon. I have seen many pictures and have a picture of my father-in-law, an RAF instructor examining the Brabazon for possible purchase by the RAF as a long-range transport. As an Aero engineer, this film shows clearly what is wrong, she is too heavy and underpowered, a classic design by government committee failure. 100mph under design cruise speed, blimey! she looks like about to stall! From the film, the wing design also looks odd, a very high drag straight arrangement, sweep it back guys! There were many such aero design failures in the 1940s. Interesting that many of the successful aero designs were private venture, e.g. the Mosquito, Hurricane, etc.. The engines are actually 8 off, 2 coupled together to one contra prop, a fatigue nightmare. Germany tried this on the Heinkel 177 and failed. Brabazon needed jet engines, probably 6 at that weight and at that time. The problem is that after the war the country was broken in many ways including financially, and such projects were bankrupting the UK aviation industry. DH with the comet got it right in design performance, though had to learn about airframe pressurization and fatigue, though the fatal crashes were well below the airframe fatigue flight cycles...that is another story. Only the Brabazon hanger survives today and only just. I think all of us and the Nation wanted Brabazon to be a winner, and that is what makes me sad, though she does look magnificent.
It's empty weight was only 73 tons. Impressive at the time but today's largest planes are heavier. Never flown commercially. Ahead of its time since it provided for luxury accomodations we see on some airlines today in which each passenger has their own personal space - the equivalent of a very small office/bedroom.
Yes, I remember that being a Bristolian living in Lawrence Weston at the time, very close to Filton. I remember being told that the Brabazon took off in less space than first calculated making the demolition of the village unnecessary - can anyone confirm that?
INTERESTING: apparently back in the day, the reporters were not that much into "hearing the machine". It would be a GOLD to listen to this beauty with no voice / music interferences. (now, the other interesting thing , at least for central American and south American, is that any beast with engine in it are called SHE in the USA. I live here in the USA for decades and still NOT able to call cars / motorcycles / planes / tractors as SHE. ) For us (foreigners , she = Barbie & Pink stuffs ).
What a nice job reprinting this ancient 35mm film. Generally with a piece of footage this old, you get a one-light 16mm print with glaring bromide streaks, never mind dirt, splices, and scratches. Even the sound, albeit of course limited, is clear.
A excellent job of handling something that was in full stall. As stated it should have been doing 250 , at 160 it's amazing how in the video you can see him correcting with the stall condition he could feel... Applause!!
I was in Kingsbury Primary School on that day. All the children were herded out in the playground. I can still remember seeing it fly overhead.
How old were you in 1949?
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I bet that was so cool.
and I remember watching the endeavor space shuttle fly over in elementary. crazy how far we've come
If a grownup in 1949 let's assume 20 years old in 1949.
Commented in 2022.
Might be 93 years old in 2022 and 95 now.
But wait, my grandparents are younger in their 70s and face difficulty typing on smartphones.
It looks as if it's taking off in slow motion. Impressive size.
It kind of was by today's standards.
@@stephenbrookes7268 nah but for that time it was impressive
@@RealPlatoishere It was a typical horse designed by committee. Out of date before the ink was dry on the drawings.
@ Steven brooks it wasn’t out of date. The Constellation Starliner would make its first flight 7 years later and only be in service for one year before regular jet service started replacing it.
The problem was no market. The British Empire was shrinking and no airlines had the cash or passengers to justify it. Airliners like the huge Stratocruiser lost a lot of money because of how expensive they were to purchase and operate.
@@calvinnickel9995 You have literally described the conditions of being out of date. You couldn't even spell my name correctly when it is written down. What other examples of idiocy would you like to display?
My father worked on the Brabazon after working on Beaufighters during the war. My grandfather was Site Agent for Laing on the new Filton Brabazon hanger. There was a combined staff trip to Clevedon. My father went and my grandfather took two of his daughters one of whom became my mum. Her sister married another Laing guy and in 1968 he arranged for me to also join Laing as the start to a 54 year career in construction. We had the famous Brabazon picture in our living room for years.
Tip of the cap to your father...the world owes a lot to that particular generation.
Dad had pictures of the Beau on the same album page as the Mosquitos he was training on at No. 51 OTU. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the course syllabus had some trips in the Beau as they had some of the older radar sets in them. Training was thorough in those days and he spoke of using several different sets on the course.
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Built a piece of crap
Thank you for the so warm story
Thank god someone did count the rivets
Makes me wonder why they didn't count them for the Titanic? Seems a tragedy.
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@@jeremyfinch2835 3,000,000 million rivets in the titanic.
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This is one of those many aircraft that should have been preserved. It would be a sight to see.
I saw the Brabazon overfly Liverpool around 1950 or thereabouts, my father worked at RAF Hooton Park at the time and told me to look out for it, it flew over around midday quite a sight for a young 9/10 yo lad.
Now that's a cool lie
I lived in Filton Avenue , Bristol at the time of the engine tests . As a 3 year old I was terrified by the noise of the engine tests . One of my earliest memories .
Just curious, which were louder, the engines or the props ?
@@joemag6032 props
@@davidmicalizio824 , thanks for responding.
nobody vandalising statues in Bristol in those days
@@dotdashdotdash out of topic!
Pathe always had unique clear crisp footage of the early twentieth century! Class!!!
Built with NOT one computer. A thing of beauty.
Lots of slide rule usage though. Amazing engineering.
Plenty of slide rules.
Lots of planes were built without a computer, they sucked. You sound like a luddite. "they don't make cars like they used to, they put all these computers in them." yeah, they're safer, faster, better gas mileage, better handling, better braking; what more do you old timers want? Go fly on a plane back in those days and you were taking your life in your hands. Now it is the safest form of travel. Thank god we put computers in these things to help us fly them.
what's a slide rule? @@lovegarbage
The village of Charleton was demolished to extend the runway for the Brabazon.
In the jet age the aircraft was already obsolete and never came into service.
For a second, I thought it was going to stall on take off. So smooth!
Same. At or just soon after
Yeah. 160 mph is pretty slow for a plane that size.
@@nk7155 nah, usually larger aircraft are slower
@@startingbark0356 Larger aircraft don’t usually fly slower. They often have to fly faster, because they are heavier and they need to generate more lift. The reason this plane is probably able to takeoff and fly so slow is because it has little payload and is particularly light.
A 767 can takeoff at 108kts when it weighs 90,000kgs, but it can only takeoff at 170kts at 190,000kgs. That’s the exact same plane and the only thing that changed was the weight.
@@nicholai1008 no, they bigger they have more drag
For comparison with modern planes, the Brabazon was as long as a Boeing 767 (180ft), but had a much larger wingspan (230ft vs 150).
Wow the engineers did a fantastic job
No computers. Just slide rules and hand drawn blue prints. All those 1.5 million rivets bucked be hand.
@@jerrybennett7856 It's amazing!
@@jerrybennett7856 That inpresses me more than this generations cell phones.
@@kimdiez2681 me too.
It doesn't take off, the earth just backs away....
Notice the great care taken by the pilot in demonstrating the airplane well within its limits and never losing sight of the fact that it’s not all about him. It amazes me how any flight organization can allow the kinds of out-of-control personalities to fly air shows, who ultimately cause terrible catastrophes. The way this pilot flies is how it’s done.
Yes, arrogant egos cause a lot of grief.
"There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots."
He could have at least done a barrel roll.
It wasn't an air show. It was a maiden flight. Notice the announcer was even uncertain that it was going to take off rather than simply taxi again.
@@Beezlie727 - Same rule applies: don’t crash the plane.
It has a Jules Verne look about it. It's the window placements and the streamlined shiny hull. Beautiful.
It reminds me of a "Constellation", a plane I was always excited to see overhead when I was a kid.
Good, old Connie didn't even weigh the half of that Brabazon colossus ...
@@letoubib21 But it was profitable.
@@jrt818 I like the Connie, too. She was a very good plane *. . .*
The Constellation and the Brabazon both had a tapering fuselage, beautiful but more expensive to build.
That nose gear took a pounding.
Much respect for building her with hardly the technology that everyone is used to these days!
Concorde soon followed on
Technology has ruined this world already and will control your soul one day if you dont put your trust in Christ Jesus.
Some of the comments on here absolutely begged belief? The Brabazon had eight engines, one for each of its four contra rotating props, it was not in any way stalling as it flew, 160kts is pretty much flat out for an aircraft of that time, it’s failure was due to the fact that in 1949 jets had been flying for 6 years, this aircraft was abandoned for that reason and although it took a few more years before jet passenger aircraft flew, the Bristol company’s next attempt was the Britannia, a turbo prop aircraft that was ahead of its time for about 10 days before everything without jets were obsolete. That was the pace of progress at that time, 1949 piston engine aircraft that could nearly make London New York, 1969 Concorde M2.00 at 65,000’
Thanks for sharing!
I have a great respect for the engineers who designed these aircrafts without a computer.
They used sliderules - cheaper and quicker.
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I saw it flying over the Craigantlet hills near Belfast. I would have been 4 at the time. From our house across the valley from Stormont it was just a line in the sky as it turned towards us, but I could see the nacelles on its wings. That's all the memory I have, just that dark line with the lumps on it, but anything I see or read of it is still thrilling. Long ago now.
Love the sound of those contra-props
No NJ
The propellor sound is, to use a modern phrase, truly awesome and I would think unmistakable. Great film footage.
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Right? Counter-rotating props in this video sound distinct from anything ive heard in person.
Turboprops.
@@funnyrabbitflyer6855 CONTRA-rotating. Counter-rotating props are separated, like on the Chinook or Osprey.
I heard that when airborne and the sound terrified me as a very young boy. Totally unmistakable, just as Concorde was later on.
Saw a doc on this about 20 years ago. The plane landed so softly the pilots actually had a light on the panel that told them when the wheels touched down. I believe it flew for a few years. Since it was so comparably slow (and took so long to cross the ocean) the interior still followed the concept of a “cruise ship of the skies”, and couldn’t economically compete with faster competing aircraft.
Too bad it wasn’t preserved in a museum, as was the Spruce Goose. Sadly out of date before or just after it took off.
What symptoms?
JFC... another passive/aggressive KAREN...
"The plane landed so softly the pilots actually had a light on the panel that told them when the wheels touched down."
That doesn't make sense. Any plane lands as hard or as softly as the pilot puts it onto the ground. Many planes have a weight-on-wheels sensor which, for example, prevents deployment of reverse thrust while in flight. Probably the maker of the documentary misunderstood this.
@@beeble2003 No, wing aspect ratio and wing loading are major factors in how smoothly an aircraft lands. Basically when an aircraft has a lot of excess lift available, lift tends to bleed off slower, and the pilot has better trajectory control of the aircraft during the landing maneuver and therefore can land softly.
I was wondering just that, how practical she would have been for regular commercial air travel. But as a luxury liner she must have been super comfortable.
I wonder many for built, which airlines flew her and for how long.
You can see some of the same aesthetics in the Comet. What a lovely design.
I think this is a more attractive design than the comet- the comet’s square vertical stabilizer didn’t match the rest of its curvy aesthetic.
Stunning and amazing aircraft. Great history here.
This plane had maximum take off weight of 131 tons, whereas Boeing 747 had 300 tons when she made her maiden flight in 1969.
Bristol Brabazon was very much a plane of the early 40s, and came too late to do anything, the age of jet was coming, to put things into perspective, Soviet Tupolev Tu-95 from 1952 had almost 200 ton capable take off weight, and was a turbo prop design as well, Bristol Brabazon never stood a chance.
The B36 went into service a year before this video had a loaded weight of over 200 tons, but was superseded by the B52. Lightly loaded, it could fly high enough that MiGs could not reach them during the Korean War.
Indeed.
Brabazon was obsolete before she was built. Lockheed Constellation was already in airline service for fours years. Surely, the committee could see this??
Inventions at its best. Engineers did great at that time. All need to appreciate that.
I love the shape of airliners from that era, very similar to the Constellation. Note how Bristol engineers used round windows, but De Havilland screwed up the otherwise much more advanced Comet by using square ones!!! The Comet's first flight was 2 months before the brabazon, but once the windows were fixed, lasted many decades.
School kids sitting on a roof enjoying the event, can you imagine the headlines today .
Near tragedy , as children put the lives at risk at air display , parents arrested for neglect.
My grandmother was in the Red cross at the time the Brabazon was due to appear at a local air show. She and a considerable number of other medical personal were held on standby at a nearby location in readiness for what was considered a possible disaster situation in the event of the aircraft failing in flight. I believe we have her notes on the deployment in her Red Cross log book.
Wheres is your grandmother in the moment dear ??
@@manoelwanderleyguimaraes9747 Sorry to report that she is no longer with us......but I clearly remember her talking about the Brabazon.
@@missiontent111 Okay mate.
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You sound offended LOL
@@SMGJohn i can't hear him
A "sleek beast"! Love the sound of those engines
Living in Bath at the time I was lucky enought to see this big beast on many occasions
Beautiful bird, beautiful take-off, beautiful landing.
And one beautiful sound!
It makes me sad that so many of these great planes became obsolete just as they test flew the prototype.
The British had at one time ruled the seas but suffered so many setbacks in aviation. Like this Barbazon, only one was built because nobody wanted it. The Comet, Concorde, VC-10 and Trident were commercial failures because of the competition from Boeing and Douglas (besides the Concorde, Boeing was smart and bailed from its SST pgm). Not a single country in Western Europe aside from the UK bought the British made jets but instead went with the American.
The Spruce Goose also!
@@austindarrenor You know there must have been good reasons for that. fuel use, size, costs, the same things that people make decisions about today, perhaps politics, government and private.
@@peterpiper482 Imagine the spikiness of that guy, likely a big turn off.
@@scottdowney4318 True enough. And the 707 was just an incredibly well made airplane put thru every test under the sun. Also I believe that the demands put on Vickers and Hawker Siddely by BOAC and BEA made their jets unattractive to foreign airlines. And the fast American built Convair Coronado suffered its terrible demise for its fuel consumption just to get there ten minutes earlier.
Squadron Leader Jim Murray RNZAF flew the Brabazon once on Aug 25 1951 with W Gibb, R Ellison amd J Howman. Filton -Belfast return 4.50hrs.
Jim was at Filton test flying the new Bristol Freighters for the RNZAF and had the amazing opportunity to fly the largest aircraft in the world.
Jim was a 43 op Bomber Command veteran taking part in the Tirpitz raids in Norway in 1942, the 1000 bomber raids and many ops to Tobruk and Al Alamein flying Halifaxes for 10 Sqn.
It was a time when we were proud to be British. Of course I still am.
To have such technology in 1949, was genius.
Stimmt.
A bit old fashioned though by that time and a dead end.
She was obsolete before she even flew. Technology was moving at an incredible pace in those days.
@@sirmalus5153 Thanks KAREN...
@@johnmunro4952 Thanks KAREN...
Sound is reminiscent of the B-36 which had six contrarotating props.
It was obsolete before it even flew, this was the dawn of the jet age.
Thanks for the video!
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Suara teriakan anak-anak penuh kegembiraan ketika menyaksikan atraksi pesawat terbang.
Suara mesinnya itu loh yg bikin merinding
Truly awesome plane which is way ahead of its time. A flying luxury cruise ship. .
I think it was more likely significantly out of date by the time it took to the air. If it was intended to steal passengers from cruise ships that bird had already flown and flown again by 1949.
well it was when it was thought of but b4 it was a prototype it was all ready too old and anyone can see it was way underpowered just from the rollout and take off and on top of that as it was test flight so im guessing the fuel would have very lite load and only a few on board no bags
Great Britain. I love you so much.
A British spruce goose, one only but this thing actually flew
The spruce goose flew too, but only once!
I can’t believe I’ve never heard of this aircraft, and I thought I knew them all. What a Goliath and the sounds of the engines! Amazing.
Same here.
there was no mention of the aircrafts unusual engine setup, 8 engines for 4 props, another forgotten giant is the Short Belfast turboprop of which only 10 were made for the RAF.
I have to wonder how many aircraft we may never hear of.
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@@georgebarnes8163 No, it had 8 props. 4 clockwise, 4 counter-clockwise - each with its own engine. You can see them at the beginning of the video.
The Brabazon was using a 4-engine, 3-blade 'contra-rotating propeller' which though noisy, enhanced air intake, produced more power but with fuel efficiency. The US and British aircraft engineers never mastered the problems with the rotary shaft systems. The Russians however overcame that with 4-blades and produced the legendary Tupolev TU-95 'Bear', a huge, long range, swept-back wings, turboprop strategic bomber aircraft in 1952. It is still being used (after many upgrades) by the Russian Air Force even after 70 years !
Eight engine's look it up if you don't believe me
The US never tried to produce a counter rotating prop engine for airline use so there was no reason to master the engine.
The Russians had captured German engineers for the contraprop engines dev ,without them the tu95 would not have flown
The tu95 geared hunbs are so noisy they can be detected by submarines.
Clearly there were 8 engines as could be seen by the start up of a set of engines and the 8 air intakes per wing. Don't really have to look things up just have to observe. Sad that the aircraft was not saved. Lots of man hours painstakingly spent in producing it. Sad when it was destroyed. Much the same as the Avro Arrow in Canada. Easier to tear something apart than to put it together.
Why have I never heard of this magisterial plane? 🇺🇸💛🇬🇧
Because it never flew commercially
First amazing airplane🤩
This was a beautiful piece of art.
And then they made the SR-71 15 years later
Fantastic airplane!
Aeroplane*
@@tomsharpe2251 Lentokone
Dreadful piece of garbage!! Underperforming,underpowered,sloppy construction
@@Erkele karl pilkington
Only made a few flights before structural cracks manifested in wings. Hardy a great plane
Bravo for Efforts of scientists and technology revolution.
Looked under powered. ROC after take off low, nose pitched down soon after take off to gain airspeed it seems. Remember, this was an unloaded aircraft.
Remember, it was it's first test flight.
That fuselage is very reminiscent of the Lockheed Constellation’s fuselage.
Great footage. Nice view of the past.
That's absolutely amazing that that Behemoth got off the ground in a little over 1500 ft! Runways today are over a mile long, This Plane would have had no problem! A little before my time though. That's a great pilot in that plane. Getting up is one thing getting safely down is another!!
Marvellous
Interesting looking plane I knew nothing about. Thank you.
This is the first aeroplane which was made by our engineers on the basis of my research with the excellent remarks.
Watching this video wow what a feeling 🥰
This aircraft (G-AGWP) was the only Brabazon ever built - it was a sensation at its time but unfortunately economically totally unsuccesful. Instead of the Brabazon the Lockheed Super Constellation became the "Queen of the Skies" in the 1950ies. The Bristol Britannia as successor of the Brabazon became years later a little bit more succesful with 85 sold copies.
Thanks scientists and engineers. World changed by Engineers and scientists..
And dont forget the air.
Yess its Aviation technology revolution at that time.
Slide rule and brains what a fine aircraft should have been a game changer ! Great UK avation history cheers ! Retired us a&p mechanic.
'ave a pint, boys - great job
Today is the first time I’ve ever heard of the Brabazon. The only thing I know about it is what I listened to in this video.
Nevertheless I have three comments about the Barbazon:
1. It should have been built with jet engines and not reciprocating engines.
2. I’m guessing here, but with its power to weight ratio I’ll bet it was extremely under powered.
3. It was a very sleek and beautiful aircraft. For that the designers should take a big bow.
To be successful, the Brabazon needed to be able to pack in passengers, not like the cattle class of today, but sufficient to achieve satisfactory costs per seat mile, and to have the range to enable it to operate on long-distance sectors, and performance to enable it to achieve satisfactory turnarounds. It is doubtful if the jet engines of the time could have helped, as they had a voracious appetite for fuel.
Yes, it was totally underpowered and that was a major reason for its failure. So the Lockheed Super Constellation became the "Queen of the Skies" of the 1950ies.
@@NicolaW72 Then the Comet came along to be "Queen of the Skies" until it kept falling out of those very same skies. Oh well...
@@olsmokey The Comet was therefore never the "Queen of the Skies".
And British aviation lived happily ever after and dominated commercial aircraft building.
After its second flight, they found structural cracks that meant the wings would gave dropped off if she went up again; the whole project had to be scrapped.
What a shame we don't have the aviation or car industry we used to.
And why is that?
What a sight that must have been 😳
Great video, what a huge plane!
wonderfully menacing haunting sound the prop engines make - beautiful!
The dawn of the jet age, British style.
Wow, never knew about wonderful aircraft
this guy knew how to land an plane.. ! // climb out did scare me quite a bit // don't even think about a take-off in hhh-conditions !!
Very sad , Britian had the manufacturing ability , it just needed the correct design , it turned out to be the Boeing 707 , but funnily enough the prop driven Lockheed Constellation was a sales success till 1958 .
I believe because the range was still very good
The Constellation was a superior plane in every aspect: capacity, speed, and performance. As elegant as the Brabazon was, it was a white elephant doomed from the start.
Well, it sort-of had the correct design with the de- Havilland DH-106 'Comet' - which also flew in 1949.
@@alecfoster5542 Constellation is half the size of the Brazen, half it's length to start.
The Bristol Britannia did OK.
Now if they put Ghost jets in it it would have definitely been a game changer in commercial aviation.
It was empty yet it lumbered into the sky, could it have been underpowered?
A good example of how British designers got it completely wrong - cruised at only 250mph, at the dawning of the jet age. Luxury inside, not bums on seats. Same as the complete waste that was Concorde - the plane that helped finish UK airliner industry. Too loud to fly over land, too expensive, too small seat capacity - Jumbo jet, entirely different, and still flying. If the UK had put money into more wide body jet airliners, it would have an aircraft industry competing against the USA today - due to all the experienced workers gained in the war. And that experience passed down.
Beyond under powered...
simply Magnificent!
My father was born in that year. God those planes were slow :D
Great film of the mighty Brabazon. I have seen many pictures and have a picture of my father-in-law, an RAF instructor examining the Brabazon for possible purchase by the RAF as a long-range transport. As an Aero engineer, this film shows clearly what is wrong, she is too heavy and underpowered, a classic design by government committee failure. 100mph under design cruise speed, blimey! she looks like about to stall! From the film, the wing design also looks odd, a very high drag straight arrangement, sweep it back guys! There were many such aero design failures in the 1940s. Interesting that many of the successful aero designs were private venture, e.g. the Mosquito, Hurricane, etc.. The engines are actually 8 off, 2 coupled together to one contra prop, a fatigue nightmare. Germany tried this on the Heinkel 177 and failed. Brabazon needed jet engines, probably 6 at that weight and at that time. The problem is that after the war the country was broken in many ways including financially, and such projects were bankrupting the UK aviation industry. DH with the comet got it right in design performance, though had to learn about airframe pressurization and fatigue, though the fatal crashes were well below the airframe fatigue flight cycles...that is another story. Only the Brabazon hanger survives today and only just. I think all of us and the Nation wanted Brabazon to be a winner, and that is what makes me sad, though she does look magnificent.
It's empty weight was only 73 tons. Impressive at the time but today's largest planes are heavier.
Never flown commercially. Ahead of its time since it provided for luxury accomodations we see on some airlines today in which each passenger has their own personal space - the equivalent of a very small office/bedroom.
I'd forgotten about this one...badass aircraft. Although this audio sounds like a V-1 "Buzz Bomb."
How proud they all might have been then
Amazingly amazing!!
They had to destroy an entire village to lengthen the runway!
Yes, I remember that being a Bristolian living in Lawrence Weston at the time, very close to Filton. I remember being told that the Brabazon took off in less space than first calculated making the demolition of the village unnecessary - can anyone confirm that?
With those engines was an amazing flyer
Thanks
INTERESTING: apparently back in the day, the reporters were not that much into "hearing the machine". It would be a GOLD to listen to this beauty with no voice / music interferences. (now, the other interesting thing , at least for central American and south American, is that any beast with engine in it are called SHE in the USA. I live here in the USA for decades and still NOT able to call cars / motorcycles / planes / tractors as SHE. ) For us (foreigners , she = Barbie & Pink stuffs ).
"especially built 1.5 mile runway". For those days, that was huge. Nowadays 2 mile+ runways are the norm for any serious airport
In October 1953, after 164 flights totalling 382 hours' flying time, the first prototype was broken up, sold for £10,000 scrap value.
Whilst at School Camp at Ogmore By Sea...1949..Brabazon did a flypast...HEADING TOWARDS Bristol...A giant in the sky...
Damn that thing is LOUD !
Contra-rotating props make a lot of noise !
Wingspan of Waterloo Bridge? Holy cow.
Either Waterloo bridge is smaller than I thought or that’s got to be a slight exaggeration…I mean that’s huge 😢
What a sight that must have been. To actually be there and see it.
The B36 with 6 pusher prop engines and 4 jet engines also flew in 1949 and Max takeoff weight: 410,000 lb (185,973 kg) 205 Ton machine
B-36 first flight was in 1946, it entered service in 1948.
@@rayjames6096 Ok thx for that info and a friend of mine used to work on them
No doubts, a Big Monster !!!
What a nice job reprinting this ancient 35mm film. Generally with a piece of footage this old, you get a one-light 16mm print with glaring bromide streaks, never mind dirt, splices, and scratches. Even the sound, albeit of course limited, is clear.
Nonsense.
@@narabdela yeah - ancient? - c'mon man
A excellent job of handling something that was in full stall. As stated it should have been doing 250 , at 160 it's amazing how in the video you can see him correcting with the stall condition he could feel... Applause!!
The aviación american leyend. Sorry no hablo bien el ingles saludos desde España spain 😁