I'm way more impressed by pianists ability to do different rythms with both hands than simply "playing fast" and this 6 over 4 thing kinda broke my brain a little...
Analyzed the sheet music you put up on screen, and was able to play it with correct finger positions at moderate speed. I’m one of those pianists who memorize notes from synthesias to play, and after watching this, I’m reconsidering my method of learning. Will definitely try and learn from sheet music from now on. This video was a blessing for me, thank you ❤️
You made my day! I'm so happy I could help you out! Sheet music is definitely the way to do! Synesthesia videos don't capture all the necessary nuance.
@garyallen8824 I try to get the motivation behind the instructions on the score. Eventually playing by memory is all ear based, at least for me. But that might be the jazz talking.
Definitely does get more challenging as it goes on. I personally find the middle section doesn’t get enough credit for its difficulty and is often played wrong because of it. If you’ve got the polyrythm though I’m sure you can learn the rest!
I recently came back from deployment in poland. I didnt realize chopin was a staple in their culture. I got mug from a nearby shop and i plan on keeping it forever.
This is actually easier for me than Nocturne in e flat major. Can't wrap my heat around those damn left hand jumps, and I've played Rachmaninoff 😅 With Fantasy Impromptu you kust have to focus on the notes that actually go together, the rest will come naturally.
Wow you're so good. I wish I could play Fantasie Impromptu but I can only play the noturne op.9 no.2. Looks way too hard, haha. Good stuff once again 👍
@@jackwyndham I'll wait a bit and learn some other pieces before giving it a shot. Haha, thanks for the words of encouragement. Also look up ligma if you want to find out💀
is the video mirrored at the end??? there the higher notes are at the left side of the piano.... at the beginning it is normal, but at the end it is inverse. wtf?
I was taught to combine the rhythms using the lowest common denominator, in this case 12. Then you play the right hand at 1-4-7-10 (every 3) and left at 1-5-9 (every 4). When combined, it's essentially: (LR) ~ ~ (R) (L) ~ (R) ~ (L) (R) ~ ~ | (LR) ... It feels unnaturally slow at first, but becomes immensely useful when increasing the tempo.
I suggest playing the midsection first, because the polyrythm is more foregiving. I played it well in just a week (without any piano or music experience).
I know that quote, and I’ve always argued that despite its absurdity, there is wisdom! Fast and slow are fundamentally the same on the piano. The technique doesn’t change if your slow technique is good. So with that said, if you can CRUSH IT slow, fast shouldn’t be a problem!!
It's the polyphonic rythm that gives it's fast sounding . This fiverish sensation. Left hand plays 3 then right plays 4, the alternation of notes makes it sound faster than it is.
The pulse is in minims. Two minims to the bar of cut-time rhythm, and a sextuplet of quavers to each minim. The accent is at the bar-line with the first beat taking the accent, and the second beat unstressed. If your playing is not exactly in time on each of the two beats of the bar then you are not playing it correctly. In your playing you should hear the 2/2 pulse.
When I was in college I played this piece for Byron Janis in a master class. He introduced me to a new to me concept of Chopin rubato. Not only were the hands in a different rhythm, but they were also in a different tempo. This was exciting, but having learned it perfectly as written, nearly tore my insides apart to discover the freedom he was introducing me to.
I don’t play it with perfectly spaced polyrhythms but I do end with both hands at the same time on the down beat. Is this kind of what you’re referring to?
This was my Covid piece. Took me a year to learn it from memory. I dip my toe back in now and again as it always seems a shame to forget any piece, especially such a beautiful one as this.
How does your brain not only read the notes properly but also how do you play two totally different rhythms and not blend them together? Do pianists have a different wiring program going on in the brain? Totally jealous!
I am playing this piece for a level 10 piano evaluation (yt video of me playing on my channel) and it is SO FUN. especially from major 13, and the middle part is super underrated, and literally nobody knows what the coda sounds like, but the piece is soooooo good.
The 4 vs 3 makes it sound fast. When i was a kid i thought its the ultimate (chopin) piece. Nowadays i appreciate the bigger works of the composer like the ballades and Scherzos.
Not one that I know, but as a piano teacher, I'd say to listen to it, record yourself and listen back, practice in section and avoid wasting time with run throughs, and above all else practice slowly. Always focus on bringing up the speed of what is comfortable as opposed to pushing what's possible.
Couldn’t agree more, this piece sounds super hard, but even for an intermediate pianist, it’s pretty easy. The hardest part for me was memorizing the long middle section. If you are proficient in piano, I would recommend learning this piece. It makes a great party song and grandparent-pleaser.
C'est ce rythme 4-3 qui rend cet impromptu si difficile mais tellement agréable (et valorisant) à travailler. Sans parler du son envoûtant, mais ça on sait, c'est Chopin.
Call me “uncultured” or whatever, but that doesn’t even sound good, like not that he’s playing it bad, idk I’ve never heard the song, it just doesn’t sound appealing to the ears
A fair take. Not everyone likes every song. Believe it or not, this piece honestly isn’t my favourite either. I think it’s nice but not all it’s cracked up to be.
For a while I couldn't figure out this songs polyrythms so I was just playing the right hand for like 3 months until all of a sudden I decided to try it one more time with both right and left and some how I did it first try 😂
Bro when you played it slowly, it gave me a nostalgic feeling when I was still learning it. Then you started playing fast, it felt so good to hear it.
Oh I love to hear that. Such a fun piece!
If you can play it slowly, you can play it quickly. Don't forget my friend
@@RahmetliOctillery sacrilegious boi reference lol
Yo same I got sick of the melody
ME TOO!! The nostalgia hit me!!
I'm way more impressed by pianists ability to do different rythms with both hands than simply "playing fast" and this 6 over 4 thing kinda broke my brain a little...
Agreed
Analyzed the sheet music you put up on screen, and was able to play it with correct finger positions at moderate speed. I’m one of those pianists who memorize notes from synthesias to play, and after watching this, I’m reconsidering my method of learning. Will definitely try and learn from sheet music from now on. This video was a blessing for me, thank you ❤️
You made my day! I'm so happy I could help you out! Sheet music is definitely the way to do! Synesthesia videos don't capture all the necessary nuance.
@garyallen8824 I try to get the motivation behind the instructions on the score. Eventually playing by memory is all ear based, at least for me. But that might be the jazz talking.
I thought this piece was quite reachable to me, but now I know it will be reachable but in at least 5 years more
Jack, you're a sweetheart.
Bless you 🥰
That piano sounds amazing
That’s the extent I know it to lmao. Those first 6 measures are a breeze lol
Definitely does get more challenging as it goes on. I personally find the middle section doesn’t get enough credit for its difficulty and is often played wrong because of it. If you’ve got the polyrythm though I’m sure you can learn the rest!
@@jackwyndham yeah I 100% agree. Definitely not at my level of skill yet, need to get more practice hours in.
NIGGA WHAT???????
@@jackwyndham how much pedal do you use in this piece?
@@sofiiapiano more than Rubinstein, but it varies piano to piano!
I recently came back from deployment in poland. I didnt realize chopin was a staple in their culture. I got mug from a nearby shop and i plan on keeping it forever.
my third song i learned, thanks f
This is actually easier for me than Nocturne in e flat major. Can't wrap my heat around those damn left hand jumps, and I've played Rachmaninoff 😅 With Fantasy Impromptu you kust have to focus on the notes that actually go together, the rest will come naturally.
That's a hot take! Depends on your skill set for sure. I'd personally classify the nocturne as more difficult for anyone with trouble expressing.
Inferno take for real.
Can we acknowledge Bumblefoot played this on guitar
my brain is not braining rn
Beautiful now I gotta go listen to the whole thing 😆
Hopefully I'll have a version up soon!
@@jackwyndham my brand new grandson loves it
Same principle work in animation as well. Different things animated in 4s look line things animated in 1s or 2s if its uneven.
Wow you're so good. I wish I could play Fantasie Impromptu but I can only play the noturne op.9 no.2. Looks way too hard, haha. Good stuff once again 👍
What’s ligma
Also thank you that is very kind and I bet you’d kill Fantaisie impromptu, it’s just scary to start it.
@@jackwyndham I'll wait a bit and learn some other pieces before giving it a shot. Haha, thanks for the words of encouragement. Also look up ligma if you want to find out💀
Bro its hard stop ittttt
It kept faster as hell
Practicing polyrhythms slowly is my personal hell
If it's hard you know it'll work!
The acoustics in that church is great! PS I wish my hands were larger.
I thought this was like common sense... if you played music with 2 hands, you're actually playing it half as slow as it sounds.
Ciao è possibile mandarmi le foto dello spartito?
Te ne sarei grata 🙏
With those fingers......never mind.
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For a moment I thought you are flexing by playing the right hand with your left, for no reason
My favourite comment on the mirrored image so far.
Oh no my biggest fear cane true… THEY ARE UNEVEN
Even slowly it's fast for me😅😂
Very interesting!
And I thought playing in 3/3 time was annoying enough, now you have to do it with uneven times… 😭🙏
Or maybe its just fast because its fast
It is indeed Allegro, a brisk piece. I'm a glorified fibber.
a little after it feels very fast
It does feel that way for sure!
WHAT!NO NO!
*Left the chat*
is the video mirrored at the end??? there the higher notes are at the left side of the piano.... at the beginning it is normal, but at the end it is inverse. wtf?
I think it is! I’d fix it if I could.
Fun fact chopin hated this piece. He basically took a piece from one of Beethovens sonatas and made this.
I've heard the same! Though I've also heard we're not certain he meant it to sound like Sonata 14, but the resemblance is uncanny.
I think you might want to be careful when referring to a "big ol' ash-shaped life bouy."
Tough to play. Extremely tough.
One of the easier pieces of Chopin ❤
Truly mid-range. Certainly no Scherzo or Concerto!
@garyallen8824stuff like the sonata, heroic polonaise, ballades, the etudes, etc.
And … what’s the hardest … ? 😰
The left hand's the hard part, believe it or not.
Nope lol
How did you learned to combine the two hands with such a different rhythm?
Very slow practice. As slow as it needed to be to be exactly write. And time.
The mirrored piano broke me
Wish I knew how to unmirror it :(
@@jackwyndham Just flip the video.
@@d3l_nev I really have tried I can’t find it. Maybe I should record on my camera, flip it, then upload.
God, SAME.
@@jackwyndhamtry using an editing app or use the edit feature on your phone
Getting two hands to play at different rhythms was what took the longest for me to learn with this piece
I was taught to combine the rhythms using the lowest common denominator, in this case 12. Then you play the right hand at 1-4-7-10 (every 3) and left at 1-5-9 (every 4).
When combined, it's essentially:
(LR) ~ ~ (R) (L) ~ (R) ~ (L) (R) ~ ~ | (LR) ...
It feels unnaturally slow at first, but becomes immensely useful when increasing the tempo.
@@MunyuShizumi I even took out my calculator to figure out what was going on.😂
I suggest playing the midsection first, because the polyrythm is more foregiving. I played it well in just a week (without any piano or music experience).
@@BarbaraOpenheimerno experience but u played it in a week??
@@BarbaraOpenheimer took me 3 hours have never touched a piano in my life it aint that hard
It's actually quite simple
Famous last words in a tutorial
As my professor said to me once: "It's easy for me at least"
This is making me go insane how are u playing that thats not humanly possible
Thank you I am playing it with my hands ❤️
@@jackwyndham I mean, you aren’t wrong 💀
@@jackwyndham 💀
@@jackwyndham Omg thank you for the tip I was using my feet. I’ll have to work harder on that 😅
My piano teacher at the end of my piano lesson today: "Oh, you can look into this piece, I think you'll manage!"
Me: "WHAT?!" 🫡
“If you can play it slowly, you can play it quickly” -Ben lee
I know that quote, and I’ve always argued that despite its absurdity, there is wisdom! Fast and slow are fundamentally the same on the piano. The technique doesn’t change if your slow technique is good. So with that said, if you can CRUSH IT slow, fast shouldn’t be a problem!!
The fact that each hand is in a different TIME tells me this definitely is as hard as it sounds 😂
Haha, exactly.
It's the polyphonic rythm that gives it's fast sounding . This fiverish sensation. Left hand plays 3 then right plays 4, the alternation of notes makes it sound faster than it is.
Exactly.
Yeah, but its polythythm makes it more difficult than fast pieces only.
@@philosophiaentis5612 it's easier to manage when you play it faster
The pulse is in minims. Two minims to the bar of cut-time rhythm, and a sextuplet of quavers to each minim. The accent is at the bar-line with the first beat taking the accent, and the second beat unstressed. If your playing is not exactly in time on each of the two beats of the bar then you are not playing it correctly. In your playing you should hear the 2/2 pulse.
I use this trick when I play a drumbeat in 6. Those 4/4 pulses call to me like whalesong.
Polyrythms, Chopin's secret weapon.
@@m1co294 you should listen to Scriabin, he's even crazier
ye
@@nikoladelerue1000 ye
Bro in church
I actually played this for the church I work at this morning as a postlude. They love even the angriest art music.
@@jackwyndham man you're allowed to do that in your church? I must pay a visit that's one very chill church
As a percussionist, no thanks
When I was in college I played this piece for Byron Janis in a master class. He introduced me to a new to me concept of Chopin rubato. Not only were the hands in a different rhythm, but they were also in a different tempo. This was exciting, but having learned it perfectly as written, nearly tore my insides apart to discover the freedom he was introducing me to.
That makes so much sense! Thank you for this, I'll do some more listening but I think I get what you mean.
I don’t play it with perfectly spaced polyrhythms but I do end with both hands at the same time on the down beat. Is this kind of what you’re referring to?
I never thought it was THAT simple
Yeah! And it’s super fun to learn.
😂
It's not.....
It is not so difficult, you do the circles of left hand and it is the same motion in left hand.
It is like a father is walking with a little child with little legs.🎉❤
Hard. Hard. Hard. One of the hardest pieces I have ever played. Yuja wang played it perfectly at 10 years old.
damn you can move both hands at 2 different speeds
Interesting. It sounds exactly as fast as it sounds
Fair observation
the 3:4 polyrhythm is also found in nocturne op 48 no 1's doppio movimento section.
Setidaknya ini lebih mudah dari pada revolutionary etude
You pronounced the fantaisie-impromptu incorrectly. It's not an english word.
This was my Covid piece. Took me a year to learn it from memory. I dip my toe back in now and again as it always seems a shame to forget any piece, especially such a beautiful one as this.
Yeah, this is why I only play the right hand. I ain't got that coordination BS.
The part of my brain that controls hand movements would be delayed until the part of my brain that processes reading catches up
The day he wrote this he woke up berserk, then he got tired and write the middle part, and finishing the day, he got berserk again
How does your brain not only read the notes properly but also how do you play two totally different rhythms and not blend them together? Do pianists have a different wiring program going on in the brain? Totally jealous!
So basically you just wipe your butt with one hand and take a shower with the other. It works, right?
BRO THERE IS LITERALLY 32SSSSSSS NOTES WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT ISNT FAST?????????
The left hand plays 504 and the right hand plays 672 notes per minute. It's definitely not fast. DEFINITELY 😅😅😅
8,4 and 11,2 notes PER SECOND 😱😱🤯🤯🤯
I mean it is also fast because tempo marking is 180 lol
yeah until you played it faster how i wish i could play it that fast
I am playing this piece for a level 10 piano evaluation (yt video of me playing on my channel) and it is SO FUN. especially from major 13, and the middle part is super underrated, and literally nobody knows what the coda sounds like, but the piece is soooooo good.
It’s so good! You’re gonna nail it!
Is this a piano for lefty people or what?????
I can play this on my piano
Doh
Polyrhythm is horrible to learn. Do you recommend any exercises before starting to study this piece?
Perhaps try Opening by Philip Glass first. That piece provides an excellent entry to playing polyrhythms.
it's not hard at all. any novice can play it.
it is actually so hard bro
The 4 vs 3 makes it sound fast. When i was a kid i thought its the ultimate (chopin) piece. Nowadays i appreciate the bigger works of the composer like the ballades and Scherzos.
My fingers are way too stupid to ever play this.
That doesn't make it better😂
So it's polyrhytmic
Yeah!
😂 that pretty fast in my book
Im playing prokofiev 3 for my concert. Any tips?
Not one that I know, but as a piano teacher, I'd say to listen to it, record yourself and listen back, practice in section and avoid wasting time with run throughs, and above all else practice slowly. Always focus on bringing up the speed of what is comfortable as opposed to pushing what's possible.
my teacher just gave me this piece, thank you for making me feel more relieved 😅
Where can I find sheet music with finger notations like that?
imslp.org
Couldn’t agree more, this piece sounds super hard, but even for an intermediate pianist, it’s pretty easy. The hardest part for me was memorizing the long middle section. If you are proficient in piano, I would recommend learning this piece. It makes a great party song and grandparent-pleaser.
It is still fast tho. Play only the right hand and you will see for yourself.
It absolutely is.
It's not the speed. What's hard is the timing of notes landing, when the left and right are combined.
When slow it sounds like PvZ music lmao
haha
É muito bonito! 😅
C'est ce rythme 4-3 qui rend cet impromptu si difficile mais tellement agréable (et valorisant) à travailler. Sans parler du son envoûtant, mais ça on sait, c'est Chopin.
Call me “uncultured” or whatever, but that doesn’t even sound good, like not that he’s playing it bad, idk I’ve never heard the song, it just doesn’t sound appealing to the ears
A fair take. Not everyone likes every song. Believe it or not, this piece honestly isn’t my favourite either. I think it’s nice but not all it’s cracked up to be.
The middle section is a lot more lyrical and easy to digest
That made no sense
Yeeee!
can you make a tutorial on it ? how to play it memorize it ?
There's lots of those! I'm not a huge tutorial guy. I just like sharing.
It’s actually about 3 times as fast as that
One of thE best solo piano piece ever written IMO.
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Fact
For a while I couldn't figure out this songs polyrythms so I was just playing the right hand for like 3 months until all of a sudden I decided to try it one more time with both right and left and some how I did it first try 😂
That's how it goes!
oh my god is that polyrhythm
😊 ❤❤❤❤ I love it, it's incredible 🙃🙃
Very cool bro, keep up the good work!
Stealing your fingering from the sheet music 😉 thanks a lot
No problem! Hope they help although I think I use different ones these days!
could you share e-sheets with me?)
Just google Fantaisie-Impromptu IMSLP.
Trips over myself all over the keyboard 😭 it's fast enough 😵💫🥴😪
It's like how butterfly clicking increases cps.