Janesmith Yes gold isn’t the most valuable thing. Health and family and good memories etc are more important. That being said I remember a guy saying gold wasn’t important and that god had no need for gold. I laughed cause it’s like okay you may say that god uses the fiat dollar instead haha and a private central bank that pays a 6%dividend. Many sound money advocates do prefer silver or gold as better forms of money and abolishing central banks because that would reduce endless wars. Most great wars are financed by central banks and fiat currency. Even England in 1812 went onto fiat. The book Us monetary history by Murray Rothbard mentions how Fiat and central banks causes new credit and debt which causes a boom in consumption and then credit is tightened and a crash occurs. This is why Thomas Jefferson warned banks will own most things if they’re given power cause over time and tons of booms and busts of credit expansion and contraction those with money and knowledge accumulates more thanks to that system.
Sycamore canyon has probably a 100 or so caves and such. It's large, rugged and majestic. When I was a kid an old cowboy told me a story about finding Spanish armor in a cave there. I didn't believe him but as I've explored it, I could see how something could stay hidden out there. Kinda like the superstition mountains. Cool video.
Thank You! Yes, one could explore for years up and down this canyon and probably find more caves and artifacts while just enjoying the scenery. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Try checking out Geronimo's Cave on the Apache Rez , White Mountain. White River is the main tribal council. I think if memory serves.. Any way I grew up there... The story goes that from the cave you can travel 26 miles under Diamond Creek up to Alchesey Mountain. I met an old squaw that told me that her son was a son of a bitch like myself that wouldn't go to school and only wanted to fish and play. Well the young man went to Geronimo Cave and went to explore and found a Spanish Conquistador Helmet. I saw the Helmet. It was the real deal. She had the numbers tattooed on her arm because Apache is not a written language. I lived this. This is my word.
@@peacebrain4471 the numbers represent the name. Similar to the jews and Nazis. Apache is not a written language. At least it wasn't back in the day. I hope this helps understanding.
I lived in Cochise, Az. for 8 years, about 15 miles from Cochise Stronghold. I loved the area, I found many matadis, the Apache used them for grinding grain. Never did find any arrow heads.
I believe that Geronimo knew of a Spanish mine that was used as a cache site by the Spanish and the Jesuits when the Jesuits were arrested and marched out of New Spain. When Geronimo would travel through that area, he would show other Apaches what was left of the white men that their forefathers had run out of their land. It was a matter of pride for the Apache. Little did Geronimo know that the Jesuits would come back and re-find all of their cache sites, much later. I believe this particular legend is actually in the Four Peaks area. The Lost Dutchman mine has its roots in this cache site, with all the gold found by The Dutchman being the gold scattered in the massacre that was actually a running battle from the mine down into the Superstitions ending at the Massacre Grounds. In the seventies, I knew an old-timer that would go in there and find rough ground gold ore in a north/northwest direction leading from the Massacre Grounds to the Mormon Crossing. He told me that it appears the actual trail then turned up the Salt River and up to a canyon that led into the Four Peaks. That trail is under Canyon and Apache Lakes now. There must have been close to two hundred burros on that train. The mine shaft up in Four Peaks was packed full of gold and silver church treasure. The Jesuit, Charles Polzer was in charge of finding the sites and reclaiming the treasures for the Jesuit Order back in the 1970's. I have a letter he wrote to another Jesuit describing the time he and others tried to relocate the big cache down in Sonora. He was quite stunned that the Federales ran them off and didn't even let them take their suit cases! I call the Jesuits the CIA, Catholic Intelligence Agency. That's who they really are.
Wasn't there a movie about gold being scattered willy-nilly in an escape from attackers? I was told by several southwestern tribes of "watchers" who kept an eye on sacred sites.
There is a current news story about a man named Tyler Graf. He is a fireman in Houston.. He was born in Chile, and adopted by a family in Minnesota. They told his mother he was dead. It was example of child trafficking. Some of the reports actually mentioned the Catholic Church being involved with the trafficking in South America.
That’s fascinating, I’ve been reading about the Lost Dutchman mine story for years, someday I would love to go see the area. You said Charles Polzer wrote a letter to someone in the 1970’s? Was this correct? Or was it the 1870’s? If you know any other stories, I’d be more than interested in reading them! That’s incredible to say the least. I also think it’s a Jesuit treasure. I’d love to go there someday before I’m too old.
Very beautiful place !! I would love to go and visit all those hills, mountains, and caves and hear all the history . I enjoyed your tour very much and I love the history!! Thank you for sharing.
This is the real deal a family named parrilla or paralta had a mine in this area they were believed to have been killed by the Apache in 1835 documents in Mexico show that the mine produced thousands of pounds of gold in high grade ore it would be plausible that geronimo would have known about it and never revealed the location
I am blessed to have bn born n raised Arizona, i left Phoenix in 93 to live off the grid on property between Snowflake and Holbrook, Anasazi ruins everywhere in this region among the wind swept rocky bluffs and mesas, silver creek canyon is somthing to see, theres so much to explore and see. I do miss seeing the Mountains and rugged country below the Mogollon Rim an Sonoran Desert. This great State of AZ God most definitely put his finger down here. Thanks for shareing, thats gorgeous country there. ive bn to Sycamore Canyon bukoo yrs ago but was somwere south out of Williams way back in there.
Many Decades ago, I was a fire patrolman/firefighter on the northern half of Sycamore canyon. There was a sign at the trailhead that said Sycamore Cabin 2 miles in. Someone had put 4 miles out
When you mentioned the area i had a good laugh. I spent some time in wickenburg and congress maybe 35 years ago. Found some gold here and there. Hunted cotton tails in congress. Also worked at the 2nd circle K the one headed towards Phoenix. Also at Mckevers general store stocking at night. Great area i was back several years ago to show my wife the area wow has it grown. Even Congress has grown some. Good luck on your searches.
Just got back from a visit to that area. We rode the verde railroad through the canyon. It was a life changing experience for me seeing those caves and ruins. I couldn't imagine being able to explore them on foot. This old Georgia boy will be visiting that area again!! Great video!!
In 1958, I was 18 and met two men who lived in a house at the confluence of Sycamore Creek and the Verde River. My buddy and I continued on to our campsite. The next morning Tom and Jerry stopped by our camp and chatted about their mine further up the creek. They said they were mining fossils for the University of Arizona and when we hiked by the mine entrance later, there was an iron door at the entrance to the mine. The door was made of strap iron similar to jail doors found in small towns. Subsequent visits over the next 40 years saw the entrance filled in, a small hole dug out, and other attempts to cover the entrance. Access was always problematic because of water flooding the tunnel. Tom and Jerry never produced fossils nor did I find evidence of fossils inside the mine. To add to the mystery, what were they looking for?
Roger, it wasn't gold as in gold mining. Tom and Jerry are the ones that found the Lost Apache Mine, but it wasn't a mine, and passed their find to the fellow who took me up the canyon and showed me the entrance. He worked it in 1970 looking for a treasure supposedly buried there. As you said it flooded once they opened the tunnel close to the creek bed. There was supposedly Spanish soldiers up the canyon with some gold that they had mined and before they got out they were attacked by the Indians and only one or two escaped, never to come back. Spanish armor was supposedly found up the canyon somewhere and brought out. The guy named Dick that told me the story found a wooden lid to what he thought was a treasure chest floating at the back of the tunnel where there was a wood deck and a hole going through it. I saw the lid and when we went back into the tunnel after many years the flooding had caused the ceiling to cave in on the area so if anything was there it is unrecoverable now, especially since it is in Wilderness Area. Hope this shed some light on your story. Cheers, Greg Hawk
@@randomtangents5204 thanks for the added information Greg. That area holds a special place in my heart and even though I am now 80 and would have a problem getting down into the creek, the memories are still alive. In the 1990’s several of us kayaked down the Verde and I’m sure Tom and Jerry’s house was still there. Those boys had an old Ford T used to get across the creek in high water. Too bad they didn’t make some money for all their hard efforts. Great story and thanks for sharing.
Greg,I really enjoy your stories and videos.You have certain style in telling them that I find really interesting and engaging. Please,keep up and thank you for the pleasant time I've had watching all of your posts.
In highschool during the 60's I had a friend who was part Apache . His great grandfather was some kind of chief under Geronimo.He told us about a story his Great Grandpa told him when he was young. He told him about a mine located in the superstition Mountains.In order to locate the mine that you needed to lay within the gunsight looking toward Weaver's peak. He said that when he was older that his Great Grandpa was going to show him the location of the gunsight. Once inside the gunsight you were able to see Weaver's needle and the trail that passed in front of it for several miles in both directions. His Great Grandpa passed away before he was able to take him there. My group of friends were always asking him what else did he remembers and he said that once you lying within the gunsight looking toward Weaver's needle you would also see the location of the mine. Fast forward to the early 70's a few of my friends decided to Arizona to look for the gunsight. I wasn't able to go as I was stationed in Fort MacArthur at the time. They left one weekend during a storm and ended up having a accident totalling the truck. They made t back with a small scratches ending their trip. Again fast forward a few years 1980's early. I was attending a mining / gold prospecting a gentleman who published several books on the subjects was giving a lecture on the superstition mountains that he and some visited the prior year . They were traveling on horseback following the trails leading up to Weaver's Needle. As they stopped to give the horses a break they were stopped in front of a steep incline on the side of a hillside. He decided to climb up the side of the incline to take some photos. As he climbed higher up he noticed something to side. Upon exploring further he noticed that it some kind small wall. He climbed into it lying flat looking through this opening at Weaver's needle. A second person was able to lay down opposite of him without been seen from below. He realized his friends were still down below so he called out to them. His friends kept looking around for him as he watched . When they weren't looking his way he stood up calling them. They just looked at him and he just looked back what the heck was wrong. After a couple of minutes he told them what he found. He took a couple of rolls of photos and went on their way. He stated that he was thinking about writing a book about what they found and the week they were there but sad to say I heard he passed away. Hope you enjoyed this story maybe you can find the gunsight. I also posted one other question someone asked about Fort Irwin in California check it out. A Proud Vietnam Era Veteran 🇺🇲💯 age 70 living on the streets of Southern California. Go USA
Gilbert, thanks for the story! There have been probably over 40 books written about the Lost Dutchman Mine and the Superstitions. It is some tough country and if you underestimate the desert, it will take you out. It is not for the faint hearted for sure. All the best to you in SoCal. Also, a Vietnam Vet, Cheers, Greg Hawk
You should visit again as things have changed over the last few years. There are still beautiful places one can disappear to away from the maddening crowd. Cheers, Greg Hawk
There’s a lot of ppl here now sadly it’s not like it used to be. I still love the scenery though but yes avoid the public unless it’s really nice areas. At the moment I love right in Apache junction which faces the Superstition Mountains….hoping to visit it one day!
Treasure Hunting should be done for fun and the research provides one a lot of history of an area. It is a good reason to get out and enjoy the outdoors and see it from a different perspective. Cheers, Greg Hawk
We can't change the past even though it was ugly, but you can stand tall knowing that you have a great heritage to grow from and to pass on. My Respect, Greg Hawk
Absolutely! I sure wish they’d respected him enough to let him live on his ancestral land. He died a sad death. God Bless his family, he won’t be forgotten.
so just to let you know... that rock foundation "house" on top had a bunch of wall stones laying on the ground the perimeter of the house. There used to be a rock there if you turned it over had etched into it something to the effect "under attack, 18--, signed something Sexton". Sexton being the last name of the person that was under attack. If one can find the name of a person with the last name of Sexton perhaps u.s. army ?? from the late 1800's, that would be interesting. Sexton either died there or survived the attack. The etching looked real to me and looked like an old etching...
Thanks for the information as that makes this whole story a little more interesting. If one could only go back in time to find out the truth. It's a puzzle! Cheers, Greg Hawk
more intere4sting... the person with me who was the one to get me to go exploring , his name was SEXTON , same name as the person who etched the rock... ?spiritual? same person ? came back...@@randomtangents5204
I have lived in Arizona for 33 years and this area of Coconino NF for 15 years. I love history and wilderness. If history books are correct and I have over 50 on the SW, especially Apache, then Geronimo in this area is as real as a gold mine in sedimentary rock. No record in history books of Geronimo, a Chiricahua Apache being in this area. SE AZ, SW NM and Northern Mexico. He was born in the Gila area of present day NM. At that time it was still Mexico. Doesn’t mean you should not show respect for the natives that did reside in this area. Centuries ago it was the Sinagua, 1300 and prior. Sinagua was a name given to them at a later date, 1600 or so, by Spanish explorers, translates, without water. When Spanish explorers came through this area it was the Yavapai that lived in this area. Later, they were referred to as Apache by European settlers, because of conflicts. History claims they were not. Northern Tonto, Southern Tonto, Coyotero, Mimbreno, Jicarilla, Mescalero, Lipan, Cibique, Chiricahua and Arivaipa are tribes of Apache.
Geronimo's name was mentioned in the story I was told, and I agree that he was probably never in this country. His name was used to add spice to the story, but I do believe there was a possible chest of treasure that was left in the cave never to be recovered. It is long buried now since the cave has been flooded so many times over the last 7o years. Cheers, Greg Hawk
The only reason Geronimo is ever mentioned regarding this story is because he offered a secret rich gold mine for his release, and since he was an N-Deh, it was assumed this was the mine he meant, but Geronimo likely knew of several. The mine is real because several Yavapai I have spoken with will talk "generally" about the mine, but will give no specifics. They said that you used to be able to see the disturbance in the area between the mine and the creek until the NPS put in the hiking trail which supposedly obliterated it. I love how the Geologist says it can't possibly be there, because sandstone is not mineralized. That reminds me of something else geologists say "The Lost Dutchman Mine can't possibly exist because 50 million years ago, three volcanic calderas puked up about 1600 feet of non-mineralized dacite and basalt which don't carry gold (hence non-mineralized)." What they fail to mention is that there are three or four very rich gold mines on the West Side of the Supers, and several exceedingly rich silver and copper mines on the East Side. The Superstition Range is only 10 miles North to South and 17 miles East to West. You also have 50 million years of earthquakes, landslides, wind and water erosion. The "Pit Mine" in Rogers Canyon is elegant evidence for the Lost Dutchman's existence (sorry Jesse but that ain't it), while "One-Legged John" is evidence for this mine. In case y'all don't understand, you won't. The "One-Legged John" Story is one known only to Police and family, but John found something in Sycamore Canyon.
Everybody has a different story about the location. When I lived in west Texas it was supposedly around King Mountain around McCamey. Nobody will ever find it because it was found long ago and they kept their mouth shut! True of most all treasures. 👍👍👍(always hiders and finders. Sometimes one and the same!)
That was Maximillian's gold you were thinking of, not Geronimo. I know the owners of King Mountain and Castle Gap, if it was found they would've known about it...they're always out there. It's been owned by the same family for a long time. Sublett's lost gold mine, on the other hand, was reputed to be Geronimo's before Ben found it, as he had said in an interview that the richest mine in all the southwest was located in the Guadalupe mountains. That gold is located in such a remote area that it's entirely possible for someone to conduct small scale mining operations and never be seen, so we'll probably never know if that gold was or will be found.
By the way, Random Tangents, you are not looking for the signs left by the Spanish. If the signs are there, you could be on the right trail very quickly. If the signs are not there, then it is a lovely hike.
Actually, Sycamore Canyon Rd is almost exactly 6.5 miles (paved), and almost exactly 6.5 miles (dirt track) to Parson's Point. I'm sitting here right now! LOL
There are so many “LOST APACHE MINES’! In the 1960’s a man in Blyth Ca. Sold mine clams to several dreamers. Or you can buy claims to the Lost Spainish Gold near TorC New Mexico.
He showed basalt nearby. Sandstone has no metals, correct, but volcanic intrusion could be in the area, just not where the cave is? One thing for sure, if there was treasure in the cave it is long gone.
The basalt shown is from a volcanic flow and is a cap over the sandstone. I didn't hike much further up the canyon but rock formations could have changed beyoond just being sandstone where we were. If there was a treasure hidden in the cave two things could have happened. One, somebody has already taken it out. Two, it is still buried in their under tons of sand and water and will never be recovered. Thanks for the reply. Greg Hawk
Sycamore Canyon .Sycamore Creek out of Cave Creek on to Bloody Basin and Sheeps Crossing?Outside of Phoenix Arizona?Takes one to the Verde River via Red Creek.And one could get to Four Peaks I guess.Four Peaks had some gem quality Amethist crystal clusters back in the day.It was a long hike to get to Four Peaks.And I believe in Body Nevada gold was found in sandstone.Gold is where you find it sir.
Geronimo? Not likely as he was an eastern Apache (Chiricahua), who's territory was from around San Simon, to El Paso (and down into Mexico), up to around Socorro, and over to Springerville. The general area of the Chiricahua and Mescalero. Guess it sounds good on video though. I'm from Silver City, and there's a lot of history about him around here, but more so of Mangus Coloradas.
I agree that Geronimo was probably never in this part of Arizona but that was the story told to me. I think they used his name to add some flavor to the story. It was a cave that there might have been a Spanish treasure chest buried in if they had been attacked. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Awesome video. Thank You 😌. I'm finding, where mines, quarries and man made lakes, are archeological sites that belonged to Native American People. Just like at "Captain Jacks Stronghold" outside of Klamath Falls. They diverted the water, to starve them out. Their petroglyphs are high up on the canyon walls and you think: "How did they get up there. Then, realize, there used to be water there and they used canoes to draw them. I'm glad people can't reach the petroglyphs, because they would be vandalized by now.
I would think a treasure is burried there in the cave, not the cave being a gold mine, wouldn't make scents at all, Jeronimo digging gold in a cave. lol.
If you get a chance this is a beautiful place for a hike and the water feeding the stream comes mostly from springs along the bank. I have drunk from it many times as it bubbles up. Other places to check out is Slide Rock up by Sedona as it is a water slide down the rock at Oak Creek. There is tubing down the Salt River below Saguaro Lake and boating up at Canyon Lake and Roosevelt Lake just to name a few. Enjoy, Greg Hawk
North America looks amazing. Such a huge place with massive variety of geography. I would love to visit USA and drive the whole place in a camper van and see all the national parks from coast to coast. Take 2 years travelling the whole country. I’m from UK and love visiting the whole country. But Britain is tiny compared to the immense geography of USA.
There is a lot to Arizona, the desert and beauty around Tucson up to the mountains from Payson to Flagstaff. There is much to see and a lot of mining history throughout the state. Take some time and enjoy the state. Cheers, Greg Hawk
i would show you the actual "carving of a native profile on a high cliff" "in a hidden canyon" (as the stores say) but can't on here. it is north of sycamore basin i also have pics of Spanish markers.
I would be real interested in seeing some other pictures of Spanish markers as they are all over Arizona for sure. The story of the Lost Apache Mine was handed down from two old guys who searched for years up and down Sycamore Canyon looking for the entrance under the nose of the Indian. I am sure there is more to this story than even I know. Cheers, Greg Hawk
@@randomtangents5204 this story is south of sycamore basin. the mine is in a hidden canyon. bear hunter Howard could only find the canyon again entering Sycamore through the north. one other thing, there are 3 mining places in the area. north or/and west of the basin. I have located the hidden canyon and going back to it soon from the top. the canyon fits all the tales about it.
@@MrRugercat45 well you needed special permits to enter at all (50 years ago) and there were places the local Apaches would warn of, plus a few mysterious disappearances. I knew a couple of quicksand pools and caves that were just a hole in the ground but had a good drop.
My siblings and I have a vacation home in camp Verde, there are some places u don't go bc they are sacred to the Natives! The tourists in Sedona, can be VERY disrespectful of sacred land. All South West tribes were Mexican, I am Mexican American from 2 tribes, Huachelo, from Jalisco, and Yaqui from both sides of the border. So many of our tribes r in Mexico! There are several tribes in this area of Arizona. My cousin in law is from a Mexican tribe and Yavapi, he calls himself an Aztec Yavapi, I heard an Apache call himself an Aztec Apache, as a Mexican, I felt so proud to hear them acknowledge their connection to Mexico, it makes me feel close to my cousin's husband, we r truly brother and sister from the same lands! Long live the Americas and the great Native Nation. Mexican ppl r 50 percent Native or more, it is a scientific fact that other than registered full Native ppl, Mexicans carry more Native DNA than any other group, and South America ain't no slouch either!! Most ppl in USA don't know that South West tribes were Mexican, we still miss them! Most ppl in USA, don't even connect Mexican Americans as Native! USA separated all of us in a cruel way, but we are awake now, we are Native and stand with and support or Sisters and Brothers on the Rez!
@@teresafernandez9849 i remember Camp Verde well. I used to gather cottonwood root from the washouts along the Verde River there and take it to give to my Hopi friends for Kachina carvings. It was my way of thanking the Hopi for being in the world. This was about 55 years ago.
I always thought it was more probable there was hidden cache, not necessarily a natural mineral deposit, at Cochise's stronghold near Dragoon. When you go there, you see the choices for hiding things in all those rocks would've been infinite! No wonder they never found Cochise's body. And that dry creekbed(s)...plenty of shimmering flakes to be found, but it's mostly mica is my guess. Pyrite in my fantasy. Gold---fuggetaboutit.
It is a great reason to get out and explore some beautiful country, whether you find anything or not. Sycamore Canyon is especially beautiful. Cheers, Greg Hawk
@@gregoryswindle5837 Thanks, Greg! I def want to check out Sycamore Canyon. My friend did the parson trail I think and said it was gorgeous in late October.
When I saw the title, I was immediately skeptical. Geronimo's hidden treasure? A lost Apache gold mine? It didn't sound logical to me. So when I watched the video, I was very impressed with the fact that you treated it as it was, a legend with no basis in fact. And the actual history you told us about was fascinating! Great video!
Where I live we have a huge cliff face called GERONIMO. T-he mines own the property. We snuck back there on several occasions in the early 90s. There were paths in the rocks & bathing sites. Lots of places to hide stuff. I was so awesome. Around here, a lot of ppl work at the mine. The story is they found a huge cache of treasure. Gold, stuff they had stolen, scalps, helmets etc. The mine took all that stuff. You can't get back there anymore..... Security is 24/7 and much more advanced than it was back then. But it was so cool to walk on those paths knowing Geronimo & his families walked them too.
Used to camp around there along the verde river forty years ago absolutely God's country...Dogs ran off the last day had to get back for work but my wife went back up there the next day and found the stupid mutts waiting at the camp spot .
Look at that clear cold running water in a desert. I guarantee you Geronimo and multiple Apache's were there, because that cold water in that desert was the real gold.
The mining equipment you are talking about came from the time around 1970 when the fellow who told me the story had small gauge railroad track back in there and was excavating out the sand deposited from the creek flooding into the cave. He took me there in the late 1990's and we went back to the room he said had a hole in the floor where he found a wooden lid floating since the water level was filling up the voids below. At this time, it had flooded so much that the whole ceiling had caved in and there was about 4 feet of mud on top of the floor he was talking about. End of story as it is now in wilderness area and would be impossible to do anything further. In the video we show you what we believe was the original opening to the cave structure from above and which at that elevation would have kept the cave from becoming flooded. Cheers, Greg Hawk
We found a vein north of there years ago it was approximately 7 inches wide and it ran threw the hill for about 80ft all the float ore was gone and the vein was dug down a couple of feet it contained 18 oz of gold a ton looked like it was dugout by hand maybe that’s the ore they were after.
Lozen, an amazing Two-Spirit person who was a huge help to Geronimo, is also worth researching. *** If it wasn't for Lozen, Geronimo would not have evaded the thousands of U.S. troops that were chasing them for as long as they did! (Lozen doesn't get the credit that she rightly deserves in history.)
@@kriskabin .. Lozen was considered a Prophet, too bad she chose the God Ussen to believe in.. If they had the right God on their side, they might have won. . Geronimo's book goes into this w/ a surprising twist.. Geronimo was captured and on his way to swamp infested Florida, everything he had stolen, raped, and murdered, he said I believe the Christian Way is the Way and that the Creator has decided this outcome for him, so he accepted his fate willingly. . Moral of the story is: Be careful what Spirit you trust, he may seem to lead you to victory, only to defeat you. .
Yes, the many springs along the banks of Sycamore Creek produce some of the finest spring water that I have ever drank. I usually carry a couple of empty jugs when I go down there and bring some out. It's Awesome! Glad you enjoy it too. Cheers, Greg Hawk
I was a Military Police stationed in Fort MacArthur San Pedro, California.In 1973 during the gas shortage (I had a friend who father owned a Arco Station and he said there was no shortage that they were always telling to sell gas to anyone an everyone. Not to worry about the odd and even number on the license plate.) Anyways I meet a depended wife filling up on post. She was wearing a necklace with gold coins . She stated that her son an friends when they were stationed at Fort Irwin in the early 60's wandered into the desert to explore. After a couple of hours they came across some kind of cave/tunnel. Upon exploring the cave/tunnel they across boxes/ chests that was filled with coins .There we're also bars piled around the floor. The bars were to heavy to carry so they just filled t here pockets with coins. It was getting late so they headed back to the post. The friends agreed not to tell anyone out of fear of getting into trouble for going into the desert with out a adult. After a few weeks they could spend the coins a little bit of the time without attention coming there way. They went to the Post exchange to buy what ever kids would buy. At the Post Exchange they came to the attention of the workers as they were trying to use gold coins to pay . The female dependent told me that they had approximately 54 coins among themselves. After being questioned by C.I.D. they told them about going out in the desert an finding the cave/tunnel full of boxes of coins an the bars. She stated that the post command searched for the cave/tunnel over the next months before giving up. They figured that the kids couldn't have traveled to far into the desert. After several weeks it was decided that they would allow the kids to keep the coins as they didn't break any laws. When asked where the cave/tunnel might be they just exploring all the desert. As a gold planner and someone who owned a metal detector at the time I tried to get transferred to Ft. Irwin as it being used for training mainly during the summer months. After all the Vietnam War war was going on. Researched the story at the Ft. MacArthur records as Ft. Irwin came under the control of Ft. MacArthur an I found just one little mention of the coins. I was transferred to West Germany the following year and after I might get transferred back to Ft. MacArthur as Vietnam was winding down. Needless to say say Ft. MacArthur was being shut down. Over the years I tried to get access to Ft. Irwin with no luck. I hope you find this story interesting. A Proud Vietnam Era Veteran with PTSD (Military) age 70 living on the streets of Southern California.
@@gilbertlopez8285loved your story, but it was kinda sad at the end. Thank you for your service sir. God Bless You 🙏. If you ever come to Southern Arizona I'd love to talk to you. Cochise County has some awesome history and secrets! 😊
I found out about this cave or tunnel back in about 2001 or so. A fellow, who my brother knew, named Dick Hoyt, I think that's the way you spell his name, took us back there as he knew I was interested in treasure hunting. He said he had a permit to work inside the tunnel until they ended up turning the area into a wilderness area. He said he hired some guys and they put in the rails and had an ore type cart to clean out all the sand from the creek flooding. When he finally had to leave he left the rails and a lot of other trash in the cave especially under where the original entrance came down from further up the slope where it couldn't be flooded. He told me that at the very back was a room that had a wooden floor in it and a hole through it going down but it was full of water. He said he found what looked to be a wooden lid off a chest floating at that opening. He showed me the top to the chest that was hanging in his garage. He beleived that there was another level at the back of the cave and that it was flooded due to the opening to the cave being next to the creek. We went to the back of the tunnel to see and over time the whole ceiling to that room had caved in with about four to five feet of dirt over the original area. Needless to say that since it is now in wilderness area one might as well forget about that idea. Over the years the entrance has been sealed up several times but treasure hunters or curious people keep breaking it open to go in. Cheers, Greg Hawk
I agree, the sandstone cavern or cave was not a mine and Geronimo probably didn't go this far north. It was just part of the story told to me. It did make for a good place to camp with fresh water in abundance. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Geronimo lived hand to mouth his entire life. He had no treasure or mine. In the years leading up to his death, he was incarcerated at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. For income, he would go to the nearest town and pose for pictures with tourists. That's how he made his living. He drank whiskey when he could get it. On the night he died, he was in town drinking and drunk and climbed on his horse to go back to For Sill. On the way, the drunken Geronimo fell off his horse and into a stream where he died. He was buried at Fort Sill.
While incarcerated at Fort Sill he tried to bribe his way out by promising a large treasure on untold wealth to the guards watching over him. It is part of the legend.
I still believe they should've let him go home to Arizona when he was an old man and not able to do anything else he just wanted to go home they should've allowed him to go home
Beautiful part of the world and an interesting legend...the amazing thing is that these alleged events only took place about 150 years ago, which is a mere heart beat in the terms of history. I have seen a couple of treasure hunting programs that have covered this legend, and IMHO, while the story adds interest and colour to a hike in the area, I very much doubt any treasure still exists, if it ever did....
I am a.long range dowser Why are you saying their is no gold in that rock gold can be found in sand stone it's in the virgin river George at the rest area
The fellow I had with me is a geologist/geophysicist and we crawled back into the sandstone cave and verified there was no gold in this formation. It was most likely a hiding spot for a possible treasure as I have heard they have found Spanish soldiers armor in the canyon and tales of them mining gold somewhere on up the canyon.
I think that the Apache People, and Geronimo had a much DIFFERENT view of real Treasure, which was living life on THEIR terms, a Treasure the Whites robbed them of, I doubt the Gold had much value to them..
Yes, I agree that gold was not of much interest to them, and they valued other things much more than the yellow metal. Thanks for the comment! Cheers, Greg Hawk
Very interesting. Mankind thinks gold is a treasure but in fact our health, our wildlife, countryside, children are really our true treasure.
I agree that there are many more things that have more value than gold and besides you can't eat it. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Yup, the best things in life are FREE!
Not if your the MANSON FAMILY
Yes ,considering we are just renters of the earth ,you can't take it with you
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Yes gold isn’t the most valuable thing. Health and family and good memories etc are more important.
That being said I remember a guy saying gold wasn’t important and that god had no need for gold. I laughed cause it’s like okay you may say that god uses the fiat dollar instead haha and a private central bank that pays a 6%dividend.
Many sound money advocates do prefer silver or gold as better forms of money and abolishing central banks because that would reduce endless wars. Most great wars are financed by central banks and fiat currency. Even England in 1812 went onto fiat.
The book Us monetary history by Murray Rothbard mentions how Fiat and central banks causes new credit and debt which causes a boom in consumption and then credit is tightened and a crash occurs. This is why Thomas Jefferson warned banks will own most things if they’re given power cause over time and tons of booms and busts of credit expansion and contraction those with money and knowledge accumulates more thanks to that system.
Sycamore canyon has probably a 100 or so caves and such. It's large, rugged and majestic. When I was a kid an old cowboy told me a story about finding Spanish armor in a cave there. I didn't believe him but as I've explored it, I could see how something could stay hidden out there. Kinda like the superstition mountains. Cool video.
Thank You! Yes, one could explore for years up and down this canyon and probably find more caves and artifacts while just enjoying the scenery. Cheers, Greg Hawk
This is the same story I heard will stationed at Ft Huachuca during 1972. I went in the cave a long distance. The end of the cave was dynamited shut.
Try checking out Geronimo's Cave on the Apache Rez , White Mountain. White River is the main tribal council. I think if memory serves.. Any way I grew up there... The story goes that from the cave you can travel 26 miles under Diamond Creek up to Alchesey Mountain.
I met an old squaw that told me that her son was a son of a bitch like myself that wouldn't go to school and only wanted to fish and play. Well the young man went to Geronimo Cave and went to explore and found a Spanish Conquistador Helmet.
I saw the Helmet. It was the real deal.
She had the numbers tattooed on her arm because Apache is not a written language. I lived this. This is my word.
Thanks very much for your story, very interesting. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Disproves the reality we live in. Thanks for your story
@@kingshacienda4995 which numbers?
@@peacebrain4471 the numbers represent the name. Similar to the jews and Nazis. Apache is not a written language. At least it wasn't back in the day. I hope this helps understanding.
I lived in Cochise, Az. for 8 years, about 15 miles from Cochise Stronghold. I loved the area, I found many matadis, the Apache used them for grinding grain. Never did find any arrow heads.
I believe that Geronimo knew of a Spanish mine that was used as a cache site by the Spanish and the Jesuits when the Jesuits were arrested and marched out of New Spain. When Geronimo would travel through that area, he would show other Apaches what was left of the white men that their forefathers had run out of their land. It was a matter of pride for the Apache. Little did Geronimo know that the Jesuits would come back and re-find all of their cache sites, much later. I believe this particular legend is actually in the Four Peaks area. The Lost Dutchman mine has its roots in this cache site, with all the gold found by The Dutchman being the gold scattered in the massacre that was actually a running battle from the mine down into the Superstitions ending at the Massacre Grounds. In the seventies, I knew an old-timer that would go in there and find rough ground gold ore in a north/northwest direction leading from the Massacre Grounds to the Mormon Crossing. He told me that it appears the actual trail then turned up the Salt River and up to a canyon that led into the Four Peaks. That trail is under Canyon and Apache Lakes now. There must have been close to two hundred burros on that train. The mine shaft up in Four Peaks was packed full of gold and silver church treasure. The Jesuit, Charles Polzer was in charge of finding the sites and reclaiming the treasures for the Jesuit Order back in the 1970's. I have a letter he wrote to another Jesuit describing the time he and others tried to relocate the big cache down in Sonora. He was quite stunned that the Federales ran them off and didn't even let them take their suit cases! I call the Jesuits the CIA, Catholic Intelligence Agency. That's who they really are.
Wasn't there a movie about gold being scattered willy-nilly in an escape from attackers? I was told by several southwestern tribes of "watchers" who kept an eye on sacred sites.
Geronimo wasn't found really that far north he was mainly in southeast AZ and New Mexico
Jesuits- Catholic Intelligence Agency.
Beautiful. So right on. Nice job, going to use that1 from now on.
There is a current news story about a man named Tyler Graf. He is a fireman in Houston.. He was born in Chile, and adopted by a family in Minnesota. They told his mother he was dead. It was example of child trafficking. Some of the reports actually mentioned the Catholic Church being involved with the trafficking in South America.
That’s fascinating, I’ve been reading about the Lost Dutchman mine story for years, someday I would love to go see the area. You said Charles Polzer wrote a letter to someone in the 1970’s? Was this correct? Or was it the 1870’s? If you know any other stories, I’d be more than interested in reading them! That’s incredible to say the least. I also think it’s a Jesuit treasure. I’d love to go there someday before I’m too old.
Was just there in March! Took the train ride. Fascinating history!
Glad you enjoyed the area, there is a lot to see. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Very beautiful place !! I would love to go and visit all those hills, mountains, and caves and hear all the history . I enjoyed your tour very much and I love the history!! Thank you for sharing.
Thank you so much, glad you enjoyed it. Cheers, Greg Hawk
THANKS FOR SHARING THIS BEAUTIFUL LAND=THE DESERT IS TRULY A WONDERFUL PLACE TO GO, VISIT, OR LIVE 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
I am glad you enjoyed it. Cheers, Greg Hawk
This is the real deal a family named parrilla or paralta had a mine in this area they were believed to have been killed by the Apache in 1835 documents in Mexico show that the mine produced thousands of pounds of gold in high grade ore it would be plausible that geronimo would have known about it and never revealed the location
I went to basic at fort sill in 02 my Drill sgt told me the storey and i researched it
I am blessed to have bn born n raised Arizona, i left Phoenix in 93 to live off the grid on property between Snowflake and Holbrook, Anasazi ruins everywhere in this region among the wind swept rocky bluffs and mesas, silver creek canyon is somthing to see, theres so much to explore and see. I do miss seeing the Mountains and rugged country below the Mogollon Rim an Sonoran Desert. This great State of AZ God most definitely put his finger down here. Thanks for shareing, thats gorgeous country there. ive bn to Sycamore Canyon bukoo yrs ago but was somwere south out of Williams way back in there.
This channel is awesome. Reminds of another great one, Lost Treas Stories
Thank You, Glad you enjoyed it. Stay tuned as we have several good ones coming up over the next couple of months. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Many Decades ago, I was a fire patrolman/firefighter on the northern half of Sycamore canyon. There was a sign at the trailhead that said Sycamore Cabin 2 miles in. Someone had put 4 miles out
That's a good story! Cheers, Greg Hawk
When you mentioned the area i had a good laugh.
I spent some time in wickenburg and congress maybe 35 years ago. Found some gold here and there. Hunted cotton tails in congress. Also worked at the 2nd circle K the one headed towards Phoenix. Also at Mckevers general store stocking at night.
Great area i was back several years ago to show my wife the area wow has it grown. Even Congress has grown some. Good luck on your searches.
Thanks for the feedback! The searches are a reason to get out and back into nature, if you find something that is just the icing. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Just got back from a visit to that area. We rode the verde railroad through the canyon. It was a life changing experience for me seeing those caves and ruins. I couldn't imagine being able to explore them on foot. This old Georgia boy will be visiting that area again!! Great video!!
Thanks for feedback, I appreciate it and am glad you had a great time in the area. Cheers, Greg Hawk
In 1958, I was 18 and met two men who lived in a house at the confluence of Sycamore Creek and the Verde River. My buddy and I continued on to our campsite. The next morning Tom and Jerry stopped by our camp and chatted about their mine further up the creek. They said they were mining fossils for the University of Arizona and when we hiked by the mine entrance later, there was an iron door at the entrance to the mine. The door was made of strap iron similar to jail doors found in small towns. Subsequent visits over the next 40 years saw the entrance filled in, a small hole dug out, and other attempts to cover the entrance. Access was always problematic because of water flooding the tunnel. Tom and Jerry never produced fossils nor did I find evidence of fossils inside the mine. To add to the mystery, what were they looking for?
Roger, it wasn't gold as in gold mining. Tom and Jerry are the ones that found the Lost Apache Mine, but it wasn't a mine, and passed their find to the fellow who took me up the canyon and showed me the entrance. He worked it in 1970 looking for a treasure supposedly buried there. As you said it flooded once they opened the tunnel close to the creek bed. There was supposedly Spanish soldiers up the canyon with some gold that they had mined and before they got out they were attacked by the Indians and only one or two
escaped, never to come back. Spanish armor was supposedly found up the canyon somewhere and brought out. The guy named Dick that told me the story found a wooden lid to what he thought was a treasure chest floating at the back of the tunnel where there was a wood deck and a hole going through it. I saw the lid and when we went back into the tunnel after many years the flooding had caused the ceiling to cave in on the area so if anything was there it is unrecoverable now, especially since it is in Wilderness Area.
Hope this shed some light on your story. Cheers, Greg Hawk
@@randomtangents5204 thanks for the added information Greg. That area holds a special place in my heart and even though I am now 80 and would have a problem getting down into the creek, the memories are still alive. In the 1990’s several of us kayaked down the Verde and I’m sure Tom and Jerry’s house was still there. Those boys had an old Ford T used to get across the creek in high water. Too bad they didn’t make some money for all their hard efforts. Great story and thanks for sharing.
I enjoy treasure stories, thank you for sharing!
I am glad you enjoyed it. GH
Greg,I really enjoy your stories and videos.You have certain style in telling them that I find really interesting and engaging. Please,keep up and thank you for the pleasant time I've had watching all of your posts.
Glad you enjoyed them and there is more in the works so stay tuned. Cheers, Greg Hawk
In highschool during the 60's I had a friend who was part Apache . His great grandfather was some kind of chief under Geronimo.He told us about a story his Great Grandpa told him when he was young. He told him about a mine located in the superstition Mountains.In order to locate the mine that you needed to lay within the gunsight looking toward Weaver's peak. He said that when he was older that his Great Grandpa was going to show him the location of the gunsight. Once inside the gunsight you were able to see Weaver's needle and the trail that passed in front of it for several miles in both directions. His Great Grandpa passed away before he was able to take him there. My group of friends were always asking him what else did he remembers and he said that once you lying within the gunsight looking toward Weaver's needle you would also see the location of the mine. Fast forward to the early 70's a few of my friends decided to Arizona to look for the gunsight. I wasn't able to go as I was stationed in Fort MacArthur at the time. They left one weekend during a storm and ended up having a accident totalling the truck. They made t back with a small scratches ending their trip. Again fast forward a few years 1980's early. I was attending a mining / gold prospecting a gentleman who published several books on the subjects was giving a lecture on the superstition mountains that he and some visited the prior year . They were traveling on horseback following the trails leading up to Weaver's Needle. As they stopped to give the horses a break they were stopped in front of a steep incline on the side of a hillside. He decided to climb up the side of the incline to take some photos. As he climbed higher up he noticed something to side. Upon exploring further he noticed that it some kind small wall. He climbed into it lying flat looking through this opening at Weaver's needle. A second person was able to lay down opposite of him without been seen from below. He realized his friends were still down below so he called out to them. His friends kept looking around for him as he watched . When they weren't looking his way he stood up calling them. They just looked at him and he just looked back what the heck was wrong. After a couple of minutes he told them what he found. He took a couple of rolls of photos and went on their way. He stated that he was thinking about writing a book about what they found and the week they were there but sad to say I heard he passed away. Hope you enjoyed this story maybe you can find the gunsight. I also posted one other question someone asked about Fort Irwin in California check it out. A Proud Vietnam Era Veteran 🇺🇲💯 age 70 living on the streets of Southern California. Go USA
Gilbert, thanks for the story! There have been probably over 40 books written about the Lost Dutchman Mine and the Superstitions. It is some tough country and if you underestimate the desert, it will take you out. It is not for the faint hearted for sure. All the best to you in SoCal. Also, a Vietnam Vet, Cheers, Greg Hawk
We lived in Arizona from 73-77 man one of the best times in my life. We hunted for all that . We did something fun every weekend such good memories.
@@Derekmartin20 Yes, getting out and exploring, no matter what the reason, always brings back hopefully fond memories. Cheers, Greg Hawk
God Bless you and thank you for your service.
@@MrRugercat45 Thank You, that means a lot. Cheers, Greg Hawk
I would love to visit Arizona again . Friendly people wonderful food and beautyful scenery.
You should visit again as things have changed over the last few years. There are still beautiful places one can disappear to away from the maddening crowd. Cheers, Greg Hawk
There’s a lot of ppl here now sadly it’s not like it used to be. I still love the scenery though but yes avoid the public unless it’s really nice areas. At the moment I love right in Apache junction which faces the Superstition Mountains….hoping to visit it one day!
I did a lot of treasure hunting in my youth. No treasure to speak of, but great memories.
Treasure Hunting should be done for fun and the research provides one a lot of history of an area. It is a good reason to get out and enjoy the outdoors and see it from a different perspective. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Geronimo was my relative and it's a total shame the way he and our people were treated.
We can't change the past even though it was ugly, but you can stand tall knowing that you have a great heritage to grow from and to pass on. My Respect, Greg Hawk
Absolutely! I sure wish they’d respected him enough to let him live on his ancestral land. He died a sad death. God Bless his family, he won’t be forgotten.
He killed women and children including other Indians
Did they get his skull back from the skull and bones tomb?
Nice to see that area of Sycamore. Nice job and it is interesting to watch.
Thank you very much!
so just to let you know... that rock foundation "house" on top had a bunch of wall stones laying on the ground the perimeter of the house. There used to be a rock there if you turned it over had etched into it something to the effect "under attack, 18--, signed something Sexton". Sexton being the last name of the person that was under attack. If one can find the name of a person with the last name of Sexton perhaps u.s. army ?? from the late 1800's, that would be interesting. Sexton either died there or survived the attack. The etching looked real to me and looked like an old etching...
Thanks for the information as that makes this whole story a little more interesting. If one could only go back in time to find out the truth. It's a puzzle! Cheers, Greg Hawk
more intere4sting... the person with me who was the one to get me to go exploring , his name was SEXTON , same name as the person who etched the rock... ?spiritual? same person ? came back...@@randomtangents5204
Love to sight see the wonderful places
I have lived in Arizona for 33 years and this area of Coconino NF for 15 years. I love history and wilderness. If history books are correct and I have over 50 on the SW, especially Apache, then Geronimo in this area is as real as a gold mine in sedimentary rock. No record in history books of Geronimo, a Chiricahua Apache being in this area. SE AZ, SW NM and Northern Mexico. He was born in the Gila area of present day NM. At that time it was still Mexico. Doesn’t mean you should not show respect for the natives that did reside in this area. Centuries ago it was the Sinagua, 1300 and prior. Sinagua was a name given to them at a later date, 1600 or so, by Spanish explorers, translates, without water. When Spanish explorers came through this area it was the Yavapai that lived in this area. Later, they were referred to as Apache by European settlers, because of conflicts. History claims they were not. Northern Tonto, Southern Tonto, Coyotero, Mimbreno, Jicarilla, Mescalero, Lipan, Cibique, Chiricahua and Arivaipa are tribes of Apache.
Geronimo's name was mentioned in the story I was told, and I agree that he was probably never in this country. His name was used to add spice to the story, but I do believe there was a possible chest of treasure that was left in the cave never to be recovered. It is long buried now since the cave has been flooded so many times over the last 7o years. Cheers, Greg Hawk
The only reason Geronimo is ever mentioned regarding this story is because he offered a secret rich gold mine for his release, and since he was an N-Deh, it was assumed this was the mine he meant, but Geronimo likely knew of several. The mine is real because several Yavapai I have spoken with will talk "generally" about the mine, but will give no specifics. They said that you used to be able to see the disturbance in the area between the mine and the creek until the NPS put in the hiking trail which supposedly obliterated it. I love how the Geologist says it can't possibly be there, because sandstone is not mineralized.
That reminds me of something else geologists say "The Lost Dutchman Mine can't possibly exist because 50 million years ago, three volcanic calderas puked up about 1600 feet of non-mineralized dacite and basalt which don't carry gold (hence non-mineralized)." What they fail to mention is that there are three or four very rich gold mines on the West Side of the Supers, and several exceedingly rich silver and copper mines on the East Side. The Superstition Range is only 10 miles North to South and 17 miles East to West. You also have 50 million years of earthquakes, landslides, wind and water erosion. The "Pit Mine" in Rogers Canyon is elegant evidence for the Lost Dutchman's existence (sorry Jesse but that ain't it), while "One-Legged John" is evidence for this mine. In case y'all don't understand, you won't. The "One-Legged John" Story is one known only to Police and family, but John found something in Sycamore Canyon.
@@mikemcchesney2555 tell us the story or you’re lying 🤥
What a beautiful country...
The best treasure is the hardest to find.
Everybody has a different story about the location. When I lived in west Texas it was supposedly around King Mountain around McCamey. Nobody will ever find it because it was found long ago and they kept their mouth shut! True of most all treasures. 👍👍👍(always hiders and finders. Sometimes one and the same!)
That was Maximillian's gold you were thinking of, not Geronimo. I know the owners of King Mountain and Castle Gap, if it was found they would've known about it...they're always out there. It's been owned by the same family for a long time. Sublett's lost gold mine, on the other hand, was reputed to be Geronimo's before Ben found it, as he had said in an interview that the richest mine in all the southwest was located in the Guadalupe mountains. That gold is located in such a remote area that it's entirely possible for someone to conduct small scale mining operations and never be seen, so we'll probably never know if that gold was or will be found.
Outstanding !! Thanks for sharing !! 👍👍💪💪💪💪💪✌✌
Just subscribed, amazing location, so beautiful..!!! Love the history..!!!
Thank You, glad you enjoyed it.
By the way, Random Tangents, you are not looking for the signs left by the Spanish. If the signs are there, you could be on the right trail very quickly. If the signs are not there, then it is a lovely hike.
Actually, Sycamore Canyon Rd is almost exactly 6.5 miles (paved), and almost exactly 6.5 miles (dirt track) to Parson's Point. I'm sitting here right now! LOL
Interesting bit of history. Thank you for sharing.
You are Welcome, glad you enjoyed it. Cheers, Greg Hawk
There are so many “LOST APACHE MINES’! In the 1960’s a man in Blyth Ca. Sold mine clams to several dreamers. Or you can buy claims to the Lost Spainish Gold near TorC New Mexico.
He showed basalt nearby. Sandstone has no metals, correct, but volcanic intrusion could be in the area, just not where the cave is? One thing for sure, if there was treasure in the cave it is long gone.
The basalt shown is from a volcanic flow and is a cap over the sandstone. I didn't hike much further up the canyon but rock formations could have changed beyoond just being sandstone where we were. If there was a treasure hidden in the cave two things could have happened. One, somebody has already taken it out. Two, it is still buried in their under tons of sand and water and will never be recovered. Thanks for the reply. Greg Hawk
Sycamore Canyon .Sycamore Creek out of Cave Creek on to Bloody Basin and Sheeps Crossing?Outside of Phoenix Arizona?Takes one to the Verde River via Red Creek.And one could get to Four Peaks I guess.Four Peaks had some gem quality Amethist crystal clusters back in the day.It was a long hike to get to Four Peaks.And I believe in Body Nevada gold was found in sandstone.Gold is where you find it sir.
Interesting, thanks.
Ron
You are very welcome
This is very unique video thank you very much😊
Thank You, Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Appreciate this video. Thanks, gents
Our Pleasure, Glad You Enjoyed It. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Thank you for sharing such an interesting pc of history
I am glad you enjoyed it.
Any operation that woukd require 200 mules would leave a HUGE logistical foot print
Think of how much daily fodder and food would be needed for months
I'M happy you are doing well.... Stay safe and be Blessed 🌹🙏 ☝️🌹
Thank You! Cheers, Greg Hawk
I've been up by the old mines in the sierra Madre by Colonia Morelos. There's a ton of caves and mines that have been abandoned for a hundred years.
Sounds like some great adventure there. So, what were they mining in that area? Cheers, Greg Hawk
Metal detectors do wonders if they find old artifacts be really cool an save for more generations to see in a museum
Actually the story tells the cave was in the Superstitions mountains. Was not a treasure amassed by Geronimo but he only knew about it.
Great video my man
Glad you enjoyed it and if you get a chance the hike is well worth the time. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Looks like a nice spot to cache stuff and rest up out of the sun. It gets hot out there.
It is a beautiful hike and a mile in or so is a swimming hole that is a nice refresher during the summer. Enjoy!
Geronimo? Not likely as he was an eastern Apache (Chiricahua), who's territory was from around San Simon, to El Paso (and down into Mexico), up to around Socorro, and over to Springerville. The general area of the Chiricahua and Mescalero. Guess it sounds good on video though. I'm from Silver City, and there's a lot of history about him around here, but more so of Mangus Coloradas.
I believe Geronimo was born into an Apache set from the Silver City area. I lived in Silver for a bit
I agree that Geronimo was probably never in this part of Arizona but that was the story told to me. I think they used his name to add some flavor to the story. It was a cave that there might have been a Spanish treasure chest buried in if they had been attacked. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Awesome video
Thanks for the visit
Awesome video. Thank You 😌. I'm finding, where mines, quarries and man made lakes, are archeological sites that belonged to Native American People. Just like at "Captain Jacks Stronghold" outside of Klamath Falls. They diverted the water, to starve them out. Their petroglyphs are high up on the canyon walls and you think: "How did they get up there. Then, realize, there used to be water there and they used canoes to draw them. I'm glad people can't reach the petroglyphs, because they would be vandalized by now.
Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the comments. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Geronimo rides on my heart ❤
apache gold cool video beatiful place
Thanks for visiting
Nice. Dig the hat. From a place here in Yuma.
Yes, from the Prison Hill Brewing Company located downtown Yuma. A great place for a beer and something to eat. Cheers, Greg Hawk
I would think a treasure is burried there in the cave, not the cave being a gold mine, wouldn't make scents at all, Jeronimo digging gold in a cave. lol.
No, it was not a gold mine and possibly some Spanish left the treasure there after getting attacked. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Very cool, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers, Greg Hawk
That wasinteresting. Thanks❤
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers, Greg Hawk
Ty for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
thanks again
You are welcome, Bob. Cheers, Greg Hawk
I had no idea that area of Arizona had so much water, no wonder the Apache held up there for months at a time.
If you get a chance this is a beautiful place for a hike and the water feeding the stream comes mostly from springs along the bank. I have drunk from it many times as it bubbles up. Other places to check out is Slide Rock up by Sedona as it is a water slide down the rock at Oak Creek. There is tubing down the Salt River below Saguaro Lake and boating up at Canyon Lake and Roosevelt Lake just to name a few. Enjoy, Greg Hawk
North America looks amazing. Such a huge place with massive variety of geography. I would love to visit USA and drive the whole place in a camper van and see all the national parks from coast to coast. Take 2 years travelling the whole country. I’m from UK and love visiting the whole country. But Britain is tiny compared to the immense geography of USA.
Yes, there is much to see, and two years would be a very good start in exploring the USA. Put it on your bucket list! Cheers, Greg Hawk
I'm also a Brit, I spent three years exploring just the American Southwest, I barely scratched the surface.
Greetings from crown point Indiana u.s.a..
Would love to explore AZ. I really like most of Phoenix.
There is a lot to Arizona, the desert and beauty around Tucson up to the mountains from Payson to Flagstaff. There is much to see and a lot of mining history throughout the state. Take some time and enjoy the state. Cheers, Greg Hawk
i would show you the actual "carving of a native profile on a high cliff" "in a hidden canyon" (as the stores say) but can't on here. it is north of sycamore basin i also have pics of Spanish markers.
I would be real interested in seeing some other pictures of Spanish markers as they are all over Arizona for sure. The story of the Lost Apache Mine was handed down from two old guys who searched for years up and down Sycamore Canyon looking for the entrance under the nose of the Indian. I am sure there is more to this story than even I know. Cheers, Greg Hawk
@@randomtangents5204 this story is south of sycamore basin. the mine is in a hidden canyon. bear hunter Howard could only find the canyon again entering Sycamore through the north. one other thing, there are 3 mining places in the area. north or/and west of the basin. I have located the hidden canyon and going back to it soon from the top. the canyon fits all the tales about it.
I know this place. Sycamore wilderness was my meat. Cottonwood was my home. There were places in that canyon you did NOT go.
Why would you not want to go to certain places? Was it illegal or something else?
@@MrRugercat45 well you needed special permits to enter at all (50 years ago) and there were places the local Apaches would warn of, plus a few mysterious disappearances. I knew a couple of quicksand pools and caves that were just a hole in the ground but had a good drop.
My siblings and I have a vacation home in camp Verde, there are some places u don't go bc they are sacred to the Natives! The tourists in Sedona, can be VERY disrespectful of sacred land. All South West tribes were Mexican, I am Mexican American from 2 tribes, Huachelo, from Jalisco, and Yaqui from both sides of the border. So many of our tribes r in Mexico! There are several tribes in this area of Arizona. My cousin in law is from a Mexican tribe and Yavapi, he calls himself an Aztec Yavapi, I heard an Apache call himself an Aztec Apache, as a Mexican, I felt so proud to hear them acknowledge their connection to Mexico, it makes me feel close to my cousin's husband, we r truly brother and sister from the same lands! Long live the Americas and the great Native Nation. Mexican ppl r 50 percent Native or more, it is a scientific fact that other than registered full Native ppl, Mexicans carry more Native DNA than any other group, and South America ain't no slouch either!! Most ppl in USA don't know that South West tribes were Mexican, we still miss them! Most ppl in USA, don't even connect Mexican Americans as Native! USA separated all of us in a cruel way, but we are awake now, we are Native and stand with and support or Sisters and Brothers on the Rez!
@@teresafernandez9849 i remember Camp Verde well. I used to gather cottonwood root from the washouts along the Verde River there and take it to give to my Hopi friends for Kachina carvings. It was my way of thanking the Hopi for being in the world. This was about 55 years ago.
I always thought it was more probable there was hidden cache, not necessarily a natural mineral deposit, at Cochise's stronghold near Dragoon. When you go there, you see the choices for hiding things in all those rocks would've been infinite! No wonder they never found Cochise's body. And that dry creekbed(s)...plenty of shimmering flakes to be found, but it's mostly mica is my guess. Pyrite in my fantasy. Gold---fuggetaboutit.
It is a great reason to get out and explore some beautiful country, whether you find anything or not. Sycamore Canyon is especially beautiful. Cheers, Greg Hawk
@@gregoryswindle5837 Thanks, Greg! I def want to check out Sycamore Canyon. My friend did the parson trail I think and said it was gorgeous in late October.
The Lost Apache mine is not lost. It sits on our land between Admiral and Cross Plains Texas. And yes it did have hidden treasure also but is private.
All them entrances seem more like a tactical attack position. Great cover and upper ground . Especially if there is no gold there
Yes, you are correct and it is a beautiful place with natural springs and a swimming hole.
Would love to visit.
Make it happen, it will well be worth your time. Cheers, Greg Hawk
When I saw the title, I was immediately skeptical. Geronimo's hidden treasure? A lost Apache gold mine? It didn't sound logical to me.
So when I watched the video, I was very impressed with the fact that you treated it as it was, a legend with no basis in fact.
And the actual history you told us about was fascinating! Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it. Great place to hike.
Where I live we have a huge cliff face called GERONIMO. T-he mines own the property. We snuck back there on several occasions in the early 90s. There were paths in the rocks & bathing sites. Lots of places to hide stuff. I was so awesome.
Around here, a lot of ppl work at the mine. The story is they found a huge cache of treasure. Gold, stuff they had stolen, scalps, helmets etc.
The mine took all that stuff.
You can't get back there anymore..... Security is 24/7 and much more advanced than it was back then.
But it was so cool to walk on those paths knowing Geronimo & his families walked them too.
Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Greg Hawk
@@randomtangents5204 very welcome.
Nice vid thanks🇺🇸👊
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers, Greg Hawk
Used to camp around there along the verde river forty years ago absolutely God's country...Dogs ran off the last day had to get back for work but my wife went back up there the next day and found the stupid mutts waiting at the camp spot .
Good Story that brings back fond memories. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Look at that clear cold running water in a desert. I guarantee you Geronimo and multiple Apache's were there, because that cold water in that desert was the real gold.
Exactly! Plus, if there ever was a cache it would've been discovered long ago; otherwise--nothing will ever be found.
Yes, water is the real gold, and it is becoming more valuable every day, especially in the desert. Cheers, Greg Hawk
I was in that cave not even 3 weeks ago, there’s mining equipment way back there. Idk if it’s a mine but there’s weird equipment back there
The mining equipment you are talking about came from the time around 1970 when the fellow who told me the story had small gauge railroad track back in there and was excavating out the sand deposited from the creek flooding into the cave. He took me there in the late 1990's and we went back to the room he said had a hole in the floor where he found a wooden lid floating since the water level was filling up the voids below. At this time, it had flooded so much that the whole ceiling had caved in and there was about 4 feet of mud on top of the floor he was talking about. End of story as it is now in wilderness area and would be impossible to do anything further. In the video we show you what we believe was the original opening to the cave structure from above and which at that elevation would have kept the cave from becoming flooded. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Water was their gold.
We found a vein north of there years ago it was approximately 7 inches wide and it ran threw the hill for about 80ft all the float ore was gone and the vein was dug down a couple of feet it contained 18 oz of gold a ton looked like it was dugout by hand maybe that’s the ore they were after.
Thanks for the information as that fits right into the story and that had to be a very rich vein. Cheers, Greg Hawk
awesomeness
Glad you enjoyed the scenery and the story. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Geronimo's Story of His Life is a book translated to English in 1905. Interesting reading !
Lozen, an amazing Two-Spirit person who was a huge help to Geronimo, is also worth researching. *** If it wasn't for Lozen, Geronimo would not have evaded the thousands of U.S. troops that were chasing them for as long as they did! (Lozen doesn't get the credit that she rightly deserves in history.)
@@kriskabin ..
Lozen was considered a Prophet, too bad she chose the God Ussen to believe in.. If they had the right God on their side, they might have won. .
Geronimo's book goes into this w/ a surprising twist..
Geronimo was captured and on his way to swamp infested Florida, everything he had stolen, raped, and murdered, he said I believe the Christian Way is the Way and that the Creator has decided this outcome for him, so he accepted his fate willingly.
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Moral of the story is:
Be careful what Spirit you trust, he may seem to lead you to victory, only to defeat you.
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cool!
Glad you like it, if you get a chance go for a hike. Cheers, Greg Hawk
The treasure is the spring water
Yes, the many springs along the banks of Sycamore Creek produce some of the finest spring water that I have ever drank. I usually carry a couple of empty jugs when I go down there and bring some out. It's Awesome! Glad you enjoy it too. Cheers, Greg Hawk
What kind of fish are in Sycamore Creek? They look to be 8" to 14", wouldn't hit #1 gold Mepps spinners.
At the end of the Video. It looks like old temple walls falling apart ?
Looked like Indian ruins that are in the region.
There is a mine on the Ft Irwin reservation in California.
I was a Military Police stationed in Fort MacArthur San Pedro, California.In 1973 during the gas shortage (I had a friend who father owned a Arco Station and he said there was no shortage that they were always telling to sell gas to anyone an everyone. Not to worry about the odd and even number on the license plate.) Anyways I meet a depended wife filling up on post. She was wearing a necklace with gold coins . She stated that her son an friends when they were stationed at Fort Irwin in the early 60's wandered into the desert to explore. After a couple of hours they came across some kind of cave/tunnel. Upon exploring the cave/tunnel they across boxes/ chests that was filled with coins .There we're also bars piled around the floor. The bars were to heavy to carry so they just filled t here pockets with coins. It was getting late so they headed back to the post. The friends agreed not to tell anyone out of fear of getting into trouble for going into the desert with out a adult. After a few weeks they could spend the coins a little bit of the time without attention coming there way. They went to the Post exchange to buy what ever kids would buy. At the Post Exchange they came to the attention of the workers as they were trying to use gold coins to pay . The female dependent told me that they had approximately 54 coins among themselves. After being questioned by C.I.D. they told them about going out in the desert an finding the cave/tunnel full of boxes of coins an the bars. She stated that the post command searched for the cave/tunnel over the next months before giving up. They figured that the kids couldn't have traveled to far into the desert. After several weeks it was decided that they would allow the kids to keep the coins as they didn't break any laws. When asked where the cave/tunnel might be they just exploring all the desert. As a gold planner and someone who owned a metal detector at the time I tried to get transferred to Ft. Irwin as it being used for training mainly during the summer months. After all the Vietnam War war was going on. Researched the story at the Ft. MacArthur records as Ft. Irwin came under the control of Ft. MacArthur an I found just one little mention of the coins. I was transferred to West Germany the following year and after I might get transferred back to Ft. MacArthur as Vietnam was winding down. Needless to say say Ft. MacArthur was being shut down. Over the years I tried to get access to Ft. Irwin with no luck. I hope you find this story interesting. A Proud Vietnam Era Veteran with PTSD (Military) age 70 living on the streets of Southern California.
@@gilbertlopez8285loved your story, but it was kinda sad at the end. Thank you for your service sir. God Bless You 🙏. If you ever come to Southern Arizona I'd love to talk to you. Cochise County has some awesome history and secrets! 😊
Been there many times. Why is there wagon tracks embedded in the ground and why is there a narrow gage rail tracks sloping down I n one of the caves.
I found out about this cave or tunnel back in about 2001 or so. A fellow, who my brother knew, named Dick Hoyt, I think that's the way you spell his name, took us back there as he knew I was interested in treasure hunting. He said he had a permit to work inside the tunnel until they ended up turning the area into a wilderness area. He said he hired some guys and they put in the rails and had an ore type cart to clean out all the sand from the creek flooding. When he finally had to leave he left the rails and a lot of other trash in the cave especially under where the original entrance came down from further up the slope where it couldn't be flooded. He told me that at the very back was a room that had a wooden floor in it and a hole through it going down but it was full of water. He said he found what looked to be a wooden lid off a chest floating at that opening. He showed me the top to the chest that was hanging in his garage. He beleived that there was another level at the back of the cave and that it was flooded due to the opening to the cave being next to the creek. We went to the back of the tunnel to see and over time the whole ceiling to that room had caved in with about four to five feet of dirt over the original area. Needless to say that since it is now in wilderness area one might as well forget about that idea. Over the years the entrance has been sealed up several times but treasure hunters or curious people keep breaking it open to go in. Cheers, Greg Hawk
It might of been a stash place but not a mine, Geronimo did not roam or raid that far north, mostly southern AZ and southern New mexico .
I agree, the sandstone cavern or cave was not a mine and Geronimo probably didn't go this far north. It was just part of the story told to me. It did make for a good place to camp with fresh water in abundance. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Geronimo lived hand to mouth his entire life. He had no treasure or mine. In the years leading up to his death, he was incarcerated at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. For income, he would go to the nearest town and pose for pictures with tourists. That's how he made his living. He drank whiskey when he could get it. On the night he died, he was in town drinking and drunk and climbed on his horse to go back to For Sill. On the way, the drunken Geronimo fell off his horse and into a stream where he died. He was buried at Fort Sill.
While incarcerated at Fort Sill he tried to bribe his way out by promising a large treasure on untold wealth to the guards watching over him. It is part of the legend.
@@randomtangents5204 How many treasures did Geronimo deliver? Answer, none. He had no treasures, he was a huckster.
I still believe they should've let him go home to Arizona when he was an old man and not able to do anything else he just wanted to go home they should've allowed him to go home
@@drillsergeant5338 That's probably not the most PC way of putting it, but probably the most accurate...
Beautiful part of the world and an interesting legend...the amazing thing is that these alleged events only took place about 150 years ago, which is a mere heart beat in the terms of history. I have seen a couple of treasure hunting programs that have covered this legend, and IMHO, while the story adds interest and colour to a hike in the area, I very much doubt any treasure still exists, if it ever did....
I am a.long range dowser Why are you saying their is no gold in that rock gold can be found in sand stone it's in the virgin river George at the rest area
The fellow I had with me is a geologist/geophysicist and we crawled back into the sandstone cave and verified there was no gold in this formation. It was most likely a hiding spot for a possible treasure as I have heard they have found Spanish soldiers armor in the canyon and tales of them mining gold somewhere on up the canyon.
Geronimo’s son used to live in a Teepee by the rock shop in Tucson and he would steal rocks from the rock shop and sell them, true story
Thank you
Enjoy the area and the spring water, it is wonderful. Cheers, Greg Hawk
Hello. Greeting from Albania.
Greetings from Arizona! Glad you liked the video.
Couldn't invent the wheel, but knew how to mine gold. Hilarious!
Cool video. Should’ve used Native American music as a tribute to Geronimo
That's a great Idea, maybe next time. Cheers, Greg Hawk
It's always in a fault or fissure.
Gold I need Gold ✨️
Perryville, but it was the last few days ago. 3rd
Wow
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers, Greg Hawk
I wanna go
The same flood that created the Grand Canyon
I think that the Apache People, and Geronimo had a much DIFFERENT view of real Treasure, which was living life on THEIR terms, a Treasure the Whites robbed them of, I doubt the Gold had much value to them..
Yes, I agree that gold was not of much interest to them, and they valued other things much more than the yellow metal. Thanks for the comment! Cheers, Greg Hawk