Roland Martin on Pledging Alpha, Goes Off on Fraternity Hazing: That's the Dumbest S*** (Part 3)

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    In this clip, renowned journalist/news commentator Roland Martin reflects back on growing up in the Third Ward neighborhood of Houston, Texas. He also explains the factors that led to his decision to attend Texas A&M over the local HBCU's. He explains that despite some of the backlash he's received over his decision, he's a proud alum and his choice was heavily influenced by his financial situation at the time, because his parents spent less than $1,000 combined between him and his two siblings while they were in college. He also breaks down the demographics at PWIs and HBCUs.
    Roland Martin also details pledging Alpha Phi Alpha, the oldest historically African American fraternity. During the discussion, Martin condemns hazing and says it's not the right way to mold young fraternity members. He also talks about challenging other peers who condone hazing before breaking down its history. To hear more, check out the clip above.
    Interview by: Shawn Prez
    Check out his youtube channel at: / powermovemakers
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  • @rolandsmartin
    @rolandsmartin Рік тому +434

    I DESPISE hazing!

    • @thenovelist7472
      @thenovelist7472 Рік тому +31

      You despise a treadmill

    • @SeanBaker
      @SeanBaker Рік тому +7

      @Roland Did you hear that the local CBS affiliate, here in OKC, donated their ENTIRE former studio and equipment to Langston University for their Journalism program? That's major!

    • @qmoorman
      @qmoorman Рік тому +10

      You said a word in this segment👏🏾 fearlessly, at that. this is what the organizations are supposed to stand for. Black excellence.They've adopted a gang/street mentality and it seemed like they even had it back then.

    • @randallklassen1061
      @randallklassen1061 Рік тому +1

      ​@@thenovelist7472 lmao truth

    • @jf704
      @jf704 Рік тому +6

      Many are called few are chosen

  • @rodneydunn8196
    @rodneydunn8196 Рік тому +98

    No parent sent their child to school to come home in a box!!!! Talk that shit Roland…. 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @vladtv
    @vladtv  Рік тому +1

    Watch the full interview now as a VladTV UA-cam Member: ua-cam.com/channels/g7lal8IC-xPyKfgH4rdUcA.htmljoin

  • @brianprince2565
    @brianprince2565 Рік тому +162

    Man..unfortunately this was the reason I never wanted to pledge as a junior transfer. I saw people getting hazed around campus and one person ended up dying as a result. I’m all for brotherhood and the unity but he’s right, hazing doesn’t “make the man into a brother”

    • @Marv20
      @Marv20 Рік тому +6

      Exactly, my frat ended up being the football team.

    • @yacobcastro
      @yacobcastro Рік тому +3

      Pledging as a Junior Transfer is only a PWI thing I mean it’s possible if you wanna go Sigma…but it’s not really heard of often at HBCU’s.

    • @Facts-Over-Feelings
      @Facts-Over-Feelings Рік тому

      ARE BLACK MEN FORCED TO TALK TO THIS GUY WHOS A PROVEN RACIST AND A SPY PLANT.. ONLY BLACK PEOPLE TALKING THERE CRAP TO NON BLACKS.. THIS IS CRAZY.. NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS..

    • @markeyosef1579
      @markeyosef1579 4 місяці тому +2

      It's wicked and not of Christ. You made the right decision.

    • @michaelsmith8082
      @michaelsmith8082 Місяць тому

      Facts

  • @ShaggyQue1911
    @ShaggyQue1911 Рік тому +116

    I respect your position Mr. Martin. For those who don't know, the reason Shawn kept repeating Roland's pledge date is because throughout the 80's and early 90s, physical violence as a rite of passage was rampant and at a fever pitch. Deaths/permanent physical and psychological injuries were becoming far too common and chapters wore it as a badge of honor. After crossing, if you didn't have the horror stories about your process, then you, your line, and your chapter were suspect.

    • @satisfiedcustomer
      @satisfiedcustomer Рік тому +8

      If you don't have horror stories "now" your chapter and line are still considered sus! I see you on the other side of 1911 my D9 fam...Diggs and Coleman rocked with one another tho IYKYK! Yo to the good NUPES!👌🏾♦️

    • @mindyourbusiness1811
      @mindyourbusiness1811 Рік тому

      You got branded like a cow to be accepted. Lmaooo you corny

    • @Facts-Over-Feelings
      @Facts-Over-Feelings Рік тому

      ARE BLACK MEN FORCED TO TALK TO THIS GUY WHOS A PROVEN RACIST AND A SPY PLANT.. ONLY BLACK PEOPLE TALKING THERE CRAP TO NON BLACKS.. THIS IS CRAZY.. NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS..

    • @ShaggyQue1911
      @ShaggyQue1911 Рік тому +1

      @@satisfiedcustomer Definitely still true! Be easy 1911 D9 Fam!

    • @bbebop30
      @bbebop30 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah...those of us who went to college in the 1980's. We remember it all very well. sad.

  • @thar7347
    @thar7347 11 місяців тому +33

    I desperately wanted to pledge but was warned about it. I am currently teaching at an HBCU, and two of my students were hospitalized in the spring of 2019. This is terribly sad.

    • @TWN321
      @TWN321 8 місяців тому +4

      Yeah… it’s still going on today..

  • @forensicaccountant259
    @forensicaccountant259 Рік тому +24

    "Why would I voluntarily incur debt?" Exactly.

  • @TheHeavyspr1986
    @TheHeavyspr1986 Рік тому +67

    That was one of the best talks about what the pledging process should be. I pledged K A Psi in 1986 and went through a couple of things to say the least. Bonding and becoming ONE was the result of a tough process. Getting hit did nothing for me. Thanks Roland for having the courage to talk candidly about Hazing.👌👌👌

    • @AFServices1
      @AFServices1 Рік тому +1

      👌🏾

    • @Facts-Over-Feelings
      @Facts-Over-Feelings Рік тому

      ARE BLACK MEN FORCED TO TALK TO THIS GUY WHOS A PROVEN RACIST AND A SPY PLANT.. ONLY BLACK PEOPLE TALKING THERE CRAP TO NON BLACKS.. THIS IS CRAZY.. NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS..

    • @dr.davidjuliusfordjr.6697
      @dr.davidjuliusfordjr.6697 Рік тому +1

      ♦️👌🏿♦️👌🏿♦️👌🏿

    • @504Chosenone
      @504Chosenone 3 місяці тому +4

      Why y’all never say wat u went through

    • @user-tn3fn9rz4o
      @user-tn3fn9rz4o 2 місяці тому +2

      @@504Chosenonebecause they did some homosexual shit too lol

  • @trujourney
    @trujourney Рік тому +17

    Their is a HUGE difference between “Pledging” & “Hazing”!!!

    • @michaelsmith8082
      @michaelsmith8082 Місяць тому

      Facts even you go to a HBCU, if word gets out y'all had to cross, cause word got out about an hazing incident, and the had to rush line to cross everybody. Other chapters would consider you "Paper" no respect. Very sad

  • @BillCaddell
    @BillCaddell Рік тому +9

    Spring '92 here- brother Martin tells it exactly like it is here. Well done bruh.

  • @jameelahbf4
    @jameelahbf4 Рік тому +236

    As a member of the D9, I was initiated Spring 99 into Delta and my big sisters brought us in with love. One of my big sisters said, “how can I call you my sister and I beat you,” and that stuck with me. I never understood hazing. I know many Sorors who did participate in hazing and are on apology tours with Sorors they abused. Being called cat or paper never mattered to me. I am a life member as well and many of these “real” Greeks haven’t been active since they were initiated.

    • @6thgenmew514
      @6thgenmew514 Рік тому +16

      Because you adopted a culture based on Ponzi scheme secrecy and it modeled after the yt fraternities & sorority. Hazing in its simplistic form is a loyalty game

    • @miraclesblessings5044
      @miraclesblessings5044 Рік тому +7

      Let em know Soror!!!! Oooooo-Ooop!

    • @SuperKshepherd
      @SuperKshepherd Рік тому +2

      U cat

    • @tyronedavidson4372
      @tyronedavidson4372 Рік тому +1

      I believe in Pledging not hazing. Roland attempts to justify his membership into Alpha because he choose not to pledge. Like I said there is a difference between Pledging and hazing.

    • @robbiefrantz8170
      @robbiefrantz8170 Рік тому

      11

  • @bridgetp3989
    @bridgetp3989 Рік тому +10

    Me and my LS just had this conversation the other day. So much to unpack here.

  • @RonnieM90
    @RonnieM90 Рік тому +58

    I am glad he spoke about this. I am not in any fraternity, but it is sad to hear about people dying from hazing.

  • @bruhmanflight
    @bruhmanflight Рік тому +23

    When I pledged greek, it was instilled in me the reason for the “physical training” (never to be called "hazing" because we are a non hazing fraternity) that took place and I didn’t understand why then.
    Now, even as a 32 year old, I’m still waiting on the “why” for it being 100% necessary…..

    • @michaelsmith8082
      @michaelsmith8082 Місяць тому +2

      Speak Facts Brother & depending on your line # another Brother with that number would haze the Shhhit out of you. Never understood hazing.

  • @nathanhollis7584
    @nathanhollis7584 Рік тому +72

    I totally understand his follow the money statement. My grandson is graduating in May from one of Houston’s most prestigious private high schools. The HBCU’s that he has applied to in Houston and around the country are offering a minuscule amount on financial assistance. But the PWI’s that he applied to are kicking the bank vaults wide open to get that young black student onto their campus. As a family we would be total fools to disregard that financial assistance and saddle us and that young man with a massive amount of college student loans. We’re all unapologetically BLACK folks…and dammit we always will be.

    • @bighitz2400
      @bighitz2400 Рік тому +1

      Tell it

    • @ashleyjones5396
      @ashleyjones5396 Рік тому +6

      I went to a PWI and that definitely doesn’t make me any less black! My son is only considering HBCUs and I’ve told him public schools or at least with equal expenses as state schools since we have some financial say with the money that will be used for his education plus scholarships. I support him and hope he gets what he is looking for at an HBCU. School is school to me, but then again my school had 26% minorities VCU in Richmond, VA.

    • @sid2daknee
      @sid2daknee 9 місяців тому +3

      I agree, my brother went to community college and transferred with a 4.1 GPA. His dream was to go to FAMU. Long story short, they were a bit shady with their scholarships and reneged on what they offered him. Meanwhile Brown University (An ivy league school) offered him a full ride...He's getting ready to graduate this year and doesn't have to pay a dime while his friends he went to high school with have racked up 80k-100k in student loan debt.

  • @ritaandleo
    @ritaandleo Рік тому +9

    Just love Roland Martin!!! Speak!!!

  • @blackice3395
    @blackice3395 Рік тому +87

    My uncle went to Fayetteville State (HBCU) he said the only reason why he didn't pledge Que.. because he wasn't raised to get his ass whipped.
    Rest well Uncle Robert

  • @miraclesblessings5044
    @miraclesblessings5044 Рік тому +26

    Preach Uncle Roland!!!! As a member of the D9 some chapters forget about unity and excellence.

    • @bxi1547
      @bxi1547 9 місяців тому +3

      Yes

  • @charles..9662
    @charles..9662 Рік тому +12

    My respect to Martin he keep it too real everytime 💯 💯💯 H-Town tx 🤘🏾God Blessed that brother

  • @EnergyBrooks
    @EnergyBrooks Рік тому +33

    Given our ancestral history with slavery, paddle hazing in Black frats just seems like a sadistic fetishism and a symbolism of buck breaking.

    • @akashicpurple3206
      @akashicpurple3206 3 місяці тому

      You sound stupid AF 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @lovelyone98
      @lovelyone98 2 місяці тому +1

      @EnergyBrooks That is exactly what it sounds like.

    • @sharon4094
      @sharon4094 5 днів тому

      💯

  • @BMonroe
    @BMonroe 4 місяці тому +5

    Facts!!!! I don’t understand how beating a person down is a sisterhood/brotherhood. Ain’t no way! We’ve been beat for decades and I refuse to allow anybody to talk down or put they hands on me.

    • @lovelyone98
      @lovelyone98 2 місяці тому

      @BMonroe Exactly, some people get off on abusing people.

  • @christopherphillips6486
    @christopherphillips6486 Рік тому +55

    I didn't pledge at my HBCU, because I was not going to let some guy beat me for 6 months until they felt I was ready to become their brother. All of the men and women in my family are in a Fraternity or a Sorority, so I understand what they do and what they are about. I couldn't let somebody treat me like trash.

    • @marqosmarqos1201
      @marqosmarqos1201 Рік тому

      You dont understand. Having family members tell you a few stories is not like going through the process yourself. Its only one way to understand and thats to go through the process.

    • @dontem.8369
      @dontem.8369 Рік тому +2

      You not hard in da paint. I pledged bloody BT alpha phi alpha at Xavier University Louisiana. 6 months online and I was made right. Man up, you need to recognize…

    • @DavidWilliams-pb6he
      @DavidWilliams-pb6he 11 місяців тому +14

      Pledged and let me tell you it’s so unnecessary. On the plus side it gives a common experience and sense of accomplishment but on the other side brutality is outdated. Have we not been beaten and brutalized enough in this country? If you have to whip someone’s ass to get them to produce then what good will they ultimately be once they get in? Once those letters go on you can’t beat on someone to get results! And if you are a Christian the Bible expressly forbids the taken of oaths amongst other heretical things. For instance in the Alpha ritual, alpha is presented as the “light of the world”? There is only one true Light of the world and that is Jesus Christ!

    • @LifeThroughGodsCounsel
      @LifeThroughGodsCounsel 11 місяців тому +2

      AMEN! 🙏 GOD BLESS YOU!

    • @sharon4094
      @sharon4094 5 днів тому

      Same here

  • @iamjohnson8294
    @iamjohnson8294 4 місяці тому

    Needed this, thank you @rolandsmartin for your candor

  • @kingbyron3871
    @kingbyron3871 Рік тому +24

    He is speaking the truth….I pledged Kappa at Prairie View in 1999…not speaking on anything that we experienced but I can honestly say that now that I am in my 40’s and see things from a different perspective……I get it now👊🏾👊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✌🏾✌🏾

    • @apwilliams93able
      @apwilliams93able Рік тому

      Facts

    • @TSwann
      @TSwann Рік тому +6

      By you saying you’re not going to speak on it invalidates the rest of your statement.

    • @kingbyron3871
      @kingbyron3871 Рік тому +5

      @@TSwann “MY” journey and growth has nothing to do with you. No one even asked you your opinion on “MY” comment. “MY” pledging experiences are just that…….”MY” experiences! Me seeing things differently as I have gotten older, has absolutely nothing to do with me sharing “MY” experiences on a social media outlet for the world to see just to prove my point to satisfy anybody fam.✊🏾👊🏾✌🏾

  • @pkc11d
    @pkc11d Рік тому +15

    So glad he spoke up

  • @Therealfeliciamccoy
    @Therealfeliciamccoy Рік тому +16

    The crap we’ve done in the name of community service. 😢

  • @Noneofyourbyisness
    @Noneofyourbyisness Рік тому +22

    Much respect to this one. Makes me rethink some choices I’ve made.

    • @tyronedavidson4372
      @tyronedavidson4372 Рік тому +2

      I pledged, earned my letters. You can pledge without being hated.

    • @LoveAndSnapple
      @LoveAndSnapple 7 місяців тому +2

      @@tyronedavidson4372They’re just a bunch of letters. As someone who was also in a sorority, don’t be brainwashed. Greek life isn’t even in different countries so if you were born somewhere else it wouldn’t have mattered to you.

    • @Douglass10
      @Douglass10 2 місяці тому

      @@LoveAndSnappleyeah that’s literally everything in life

  • @terrelldinkins273
    @terrelldinkins273 Рік тому +62

    I pledged fall 1986. No physical hazing on my campus. I attended a PWI. This message needs to start from the top. It's still wink, wink with fraternities. They say no hazing, but still hazing these boys. Stupid to call people paper because they didn't get beaten. It sickens me.

    • @z040880
      @z040880 Рік тому +4

      You're paper and PWI...pick one....your opinion doesn't count

    • @SethChillis
      @SethChillis Рік тому +2

      How about we call ya'll cat lol

    • @terrelldinkins273
      @terrelldinkins273 Рік тому +24

      The point if joining the organizations is to provide service to the community. I am now a life member and have been serving my community for over 30 years. Call me what you want, but I understood the assignment and the mission. My process wasn't easy, mentally (I was initiated in the 80's) but no one hit me and I can look them in the eyes and call them my sorors without any malice in my heart.

    • @marqosmarqos1201
      @marqosmarqos1201 Рік тому

      @@SethChillis lol

    • @LoveAndSnapple
      @LoveAndSnapple 7 місяців тому +6

      @@terrelldinkins273 Speak on it. The only badge of honor that these people can wear are the lumps and bruises that they’ve carried since they were in their young teens and early 20s. Probably hobbling along recounting their war stories and trauma bonding with their line brothers and sisters.

  • @BooksbySelena
    @BooksbySelena Рік тому +40

    I'm glad you spoke up Roland.

  • @yayits1990
    @yayits1990 Рік тому +9

    Finally somebody has said it. My HS teacher worried if I pleaged her sorority because she new if somebody hazed my ass she knew it was up and I was fighting everybody. She always was scared for me to pledge because of that. She knew I didn't play.

  • @kidtae1
    @kidtae1 Рік тому +26

    I’m a member of a D9 crossed summer 08 and I felt the same way like Roland, he dropping a lot of facts and it’s crazy because prophytes and old bruhs who have kids careers and all that fall in the mindset of hazing because they got hazed

  • @afrothundar
    @afrothundar Рік тому +27

    Hazing is idiotic. A lot of Frats like to say that the process protects the integrity of the frat by weeding out people who can’t “handle” the process. We’ll in my opinion it does the opposite, the reputation of BS keeps a lot of good brothers out, especially at the grad chapter level. I’m a doctor, my pops is an omega, id love to join and work with the frat on initiatives in the community. At the same time though I’m too old and have accomplished too much to let another man out hands on me.

    • @Lolo-vy5tk
      @Lolo-vy5tk Рік тому +3

      Great points but usually the pledge process @ graduate level or post graduate is based on community service projects. At least, that was my experience when I pledged the graduate chapter of Delta Sigma Theta. It was a beautiful, loving, and respectful process.

    • @afrothundar
      @afrothundar Рік тому +4

      @@Lolo-vy5tk I think the ladies grow out of the BS faster than the men. I’m closely affiliated with some Omegas at the grad level and there’s still a ton of BS that goes on.

    • @NOCDIB
      @NOCDIB 10 місяців тому +6

      I'm with you on that. Black male software engineer here and I would have pledged Omega had it not been for their history of violence. In no dimension, including this one, is another man beating me and not getting it back immediately.

    • @dbdb32
      @dbdb32 5 місяців тому +2

      ​​@@afrothundar it's not even about uplifting black folks anymore. Sure community work is done, but it really just seems about exclusivity and gives one group of black people the ability to say "we're better" than the rest of black folks.
      It's one thing to have a rigorous process, in fact, I support that in order to keep the process challenging as not to invite laziness and mediocrity...but as black folks, we've been getting beat up and beat on our entire history in this country and to have groups doing the same thing under the guise of "helping our community" is hypocritical and disgusting.

  • @gigidawn2003
    @gigidawn2003 Рік тому +7

    All Facts! I'm in D9 and said this throughout my involvement in a sorority

  • @SpoonTunez
    @SpoonTunez Рік тому +20

    Roland Martin is one man who doesn’t tolerate foolishness 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @CBReal1290
    @CBReal1290 5 місяців тому

    Excellent interview and response. Thank you so much Roland For your trying to help our people return to what things were originally founded upon and respected

  • @bertrenjenkins4681
    @bertrenjenkins4681 20 днів тому

    Thank you brother.

  • @ogtony1338
    @ogtony1338 Рік тому +83

    My pops pledged Omega Psi Phi in "88 he told me how bad the hazing was he said he had his ribs broken from being kicked while doing push ups and how him and his line had to eat dog food out of a dog pan and how they had to strip down naked and get paddled for being late he also mentioned how one of his LB's committed suicide right after they crossed over cause he was so damaged from what happened my pops told he still has ptsd to this day from what happened.

    • @Mytamponisdirty
      @Mytamponisdirty Рік тому +1

      Sounds like yo pops is a hoe ass n*gga cause aint no way another man about to make me strip naked to paddle me FOH.

    • @jordanwilliams1546
      @jordanwilliams1546 Рік тому +22

      That’s tragic I’m glad I didn’t join a D9 organization

    • @djlee1977
      @djlee1977 Рік тому +23

      I'm a Alpha. We was hazed. But the omega's version of hazing was way more brutal. They was straight abused.

    • @akeem2752
      @akeem2752 Рік тому

      I heard the Kappas was beating folks. I'm from Englewood in Chicago. I told my boy I ain't let niggas in the hood put they hands on me I'm not about to pay a light skin-pretty boy nigga put his hands on me. We were summoned to the house one night, I didn't go, he came back to my dorm all fucked up. He said they all got jumped and robbed by the Kappas. And four of the Kappas ended up coming out a couple years later. I'm glad I dodged those butt games I heard they played.

    • @jaywoods375
      @jaywoods375 Рік тому

      what school, what chapter. i don't believe you

  • @woodleyvictor5072
    @woodleyvictor5072 Рік тому +3

    I am glad he spoke on this. That's the reason I never joined a fraternity.

  • @sjoyceboyer4719
    @sjoyceboyer4719 Рік тому

    Thank you.

  • @Vandingo_254
    @Vandingo_254 Рік тому +2

    Much Respect to Brother Martin! 06!!!!🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽

  • @DrAlexanderHamilton
    @DrAlexanderHamilton Рік тому +13

    As a member of a black fraternity, I can attest to everything Mr. Martin is saying. A lot people were beat to members of their organization and it did not make them a better brother. Just because you were hazed does not mean you pledged.

    • @negrodamus323
      @negrodamus323 Рік тому

      Yes it does. If U pledge the army for the US...or any military (because basically thats what pledging is most similar too). Do u think they jus memorize a few things and walk on

    • @jordy3701
      @jordy3701 5 місяців тому

      @@negrodamus323u get some trainings but they don’t beat you , demean you, and give you permanent physical damage before you even get on the field ??

    • @michaelsmith8082
      @michaelsmith8082 Місяць тому

      Facts

  • @duanejrc
    @duanejrc Рік тому +30

    Love to see another fraternity man speak out against hazing. The shit is stupid

  • @glenharris8671
    @glenharris8671 11 місяців тому

    Thank you Roland...perfectly said....

  • @Thedreadedflutist
    @Thedreadedflutist 2 місяці тому +1

    This is why i love Roland Martin

  • @jimkent1480
    @jimkent1480 Рік тому +11

    I attended Texas Southern University in Houston, Tx, in the early to late 90s.... it was known if you're going to pledge as a male... it's possible your life would be on the line or you will be taken to Ben Taub Hospital in Houston, Tx, for trauma. I did not pledge for that reason... my father sat me down after i spoke with him, and said "son its not worth it". I finished from TSU and earned my degree in 99.

    • @marqosmarqos1201
      @marqosmarqos1201 Рік тому +3

      I pledged Alpha across the street at the University of Houston (spring 1992). Went to graduate school in Connecticut. Now I make 6 figures. Pledging prepared me for the mental hazing I experienced in grad school. One of the best things I did in my life. My process was organized and well structured. It was a good experience. None of us went to the hospital.

    • @jimkent1480
      @jimkent1480 Рік тому +4

      @MarQos MarQos
      You were blessed, brother. i have a close friend who lost his hearing in his left ear behind Kappa. Im glad you were able to have a better experience brother. Not against the brotherhood... just the other stuff... young men hv lost their lives behind those letters

    • @marqosmarqos1201
      @marqosmarqos1201 Рік тому

      @@jimkent1480 I feel what you are saying brother but the acts of extreme brutality and death are not the norm. I've initiated brothers in the south as well as the east coast when I was in grad school. I've never witnessed anyone hurt to the degree that they had to seek medical attention. I've always witnessed pledging in controlled, safe environments and if I saw a brother about to crack I would take the brother to the side and let him refocus. The pledge process is a rites of passage that stays with you your entire life and prepares you for the real world which is not very kind. You have to learn to face your fears and adversity head on and deal with it as a man. I dont condone brutailty but a challenging rites of passage is necessary for young black men. I experienced a rites of passage in the military as well as in college when I joined a fraternity. They were both essential to my development as the successful family man I am today.

    • @lovelyone98
      @lovelyone98 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@marqosmarqos1201There should have never have been any abuse to anybody. Some of you all get off on beating on people.

    • @marqosmarqos1201
      @marqosmarqos1201 Місяць тому

      @@lovelyone98 How many abortions have you had?

  • @deryksmith8942
    @deryksmith8942 Рік тому +10

    One of my brothers said that during his process he literally hated his big brothers because of what what done to him.

    • @sharon4094
      @sharon4094 5 днів тому

      That's what I always thought.

  • @miltonbrownjr3755
    @miltonbrownjr3755 Рік тому +2

    Real talk 💯

  • @deryksmith8942
    @deryksmith8942 Рік тому

    Love this bro

  • @harolddoctorjr7074
    @harolddoctorjr7074 Рік тому +4

    I totally agree, Frat! I went through the same thing. Spring 91. A phi A

  • @dewaynejay1032
    @dewaynejay1032 Рік тому +21

    That’s why I never pledge such as joined any of that bc I’m afraid of what I would of done to them if they did me like that 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @darnellayers3245
    @darnellayers3245 Місяць тому

    Well said🤙🏾

  • @generalimac
    @generalimac 6 місяців тому +1

    Roland is spot on! 🤙🏽

  • @elizabetho6506
    @elizabetho6506 Рік тому +15

    I was on line in 98. They tried to kill me. My light skinned ass was literally purple. The whole line dropped. I couldn’t even sit in a chair in class. And this is only after the first few weeks. I swear I took my mask off and wanted to fight a 300 pound football player. That was my last night

    • @BluDrop5
      @BluDrop5 Рік тому +1

      Wow...that's crazy. I'm glad you left.

    • @davidforreal2116
      @davidforreal2116 Рік тому

      That shits out of line

    • @arntrezlacy399
      @arntrezlacy399 Рік тому +1

      Crazy. More of a gang nowadays as opposed to being a org or fraternity

  • @spiderpimp33
    @spiderpimp33 Рік тому +114

    Can’t front, even though I went through the ‘underground’ pledge process almost 20yrs ago, if my son decided to pledge in 15yrs, I wouldn’t want him to be hazed. That shit was crazy back in the day and I hear it’s even worse nowadays. Lol!
    These new cats are out of control with hazing.
    Some of the non-physical/mental aspects of hazing are rough as the physical aspects.
    As a 39yr old, I definitely see things differently.
    Because a lot of cats that get or got beat, aren’t as active as ‘Paper’ bruhs.

    • @joeblack2809
      @joeblack2809 Рік тому +5

      Bruh as someone who also pledged you shouldn’t be talking about it. You must not have pledged or maybe you did and dropped like a heaux 😂🤣😂

    • @jaredmeadows2195
      @jaredmeadows2195 Рік тому

      You guys are all losers LOL

    • @markissthegod
      @markissthegod Рік тому

      @@joeblack2809 you definitely gotta be some type of hoe to go thru the shit as a man all y’all weird as hell ah lil sick in head for letting another man whip yo ass hundreds of times with a paddle

    • @chrisisslick
      @chrisisslick Рік тому +32

      Even ppl that didn't pledge, like myself, are well aware of hazing. It's an open secret at this point, although organizations try to lie about it lol.

    • @harveyprobz94
      @harveyprobz94 Рік тому +4

      @@joeblack2809 Discretion is key 🤫

  • @LeoKing75
    @LeoKing75 Рік тому +2

    Roland Martin is a treasure for black folks. So what he didn’t go to an HBCU. He’s still speaking truth about our plight in this country.

  • @keishaeller6714
    @keishaeller6714 Рік тому +1

    Love Roland Martin! 💙🤍🕊️

  • @cem7387
    @cem7387 Рік тому +14

    He speaking straight Facts!

  • @dr.davidjuliusfordjr.6697
    @dr.davidjuliusfordjr.6697 Рік тому +8

    Our insurance premiums are astronomical and some undergraduate chapters and small alumni chapters are struggling to pay those premiums.

    • @arntrezlacy399
      @arntrezlacy399 Рік тому

      Good point. More focus should focus in service based objectives seminar to current undergrads on joining for rights reasons and not hold on to pass tradition s on ignition procedures. Life after college/carrer goals and financial literacy should be topics of discussions for prospective members

  • @kckgirl78
    @kckgirl78 7 місяців тому

    Well said, Sir. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @eroberobe6931
    @eroberobe6931 Рік тому

    Love this Brother

  • @thepoorblackman
    @thepoorblackman Рік тому +20

    I came for the comments. 🍿🍿 too many grown men in the comments who got spanked by other men. That's nothing to be proud of.

  • @candicer2571
    @candicer2571 Рік тому +20

    I went to school with Roland. I can attest to everything he said. The Deltas had the same philosophy. We were very close to the Alphas at TAMU.

  • @GregMeg
    @GregMeg Рік тому +2

    Respect to Roland .

  • @DeeBrownLTD
    @DeeBrownLTD Рік тому +1

    Boy Roland is PREACHING ‼️‼️

  • @whoozdis
    @whoozdis Рік тому +15

    It really amazes me that a HBCU would rather have young black people in debt just to attend college rather than have the best black intellectuals in America graduate from their institution..Sadly im coming to the conclusion that we as black people just hold each other and ourselves down in society at this point..

    • @gotmypearls
      @gotmypearls Рік тому

      You believe this? College isn't free- there are employees and expenses just like everywhere else.

    • @whoozdis
      @whoozdis Рік тому

      @gotmypearls from what he's saying it didn't matter about a person's GPA and what value they would bring to the school it only mattered about money money money..If we weren't so divisive and built together from way back then this conversation wouldn't even be happening in 2023

    • @negrodamus323
      @negrodamus323 Рік тому +1

      Every college would rather have u in debt...not jus Hbcus.. Unless your on scholarship...u we be in huge debt after college

  • @theintrovertedc.o.6214
    @theintrovertedc.o.6214 Рік тому +5

    I respect this guy!

  • @gamitaalfonso9999
    @gamitaalfonso9999 11 днів тому

    As a member of the D9, and military veteran, Roland is spot on! What you go through in the military is a kind of hazing, a WELL REGULATED chaos if you will. It’s designed to TURN 50 TO 80 individuals into a well choreographed SINGLE organism and they do it effectively. The first thing I noticed when I was going through my D9 is that it wasn’t supervised or regulated. These people don’t know what they’re doing. Unlike the military, the process was unsafe, and no mitigation plan if things took a wrong turn. It was just violence for the sake of violence! It wasn’t meant to build shit!! I said what I said!!

  • @NewWAVEMan
    @NewWAVEMan Рік тому +2

    Yes!! 100% on the pledging

  • @marselluswallace6597
    @marselluswallace6597 Рік тому +8

    Solid interview !!! Roland is on point !!!!!

  • @michaelstorayii7197
    @michaelstorayii7197 Рік тому +10

    Kudos to Roland Martin on his anti-hazing stance. I hate it too. I can't believe I subjected myself to that back in the day when I was pledging.

  • @Alphanomics06
    @Alphanomics06 Рік тому +2

    Speak on it Roland

  • @RamSoulja86
    @RamSoulja86 Рік тому +2

    ALL D9 orgs AND other BGLOs need to watch THIS segment!!!

  • @LadycookieK0304
    @LadycookieK0304 Рік тому +52

    Roland is 💯 correct!!! As a member of DST initiated in the Spring 1998-Omicron Delta Chapter through a very dignified and proper way. I’m glad he made this statement. Hazing destroys our organizations on so many levels.

    • @Lolo-vy5tk
      @Lolo-vy5tk Рік тому +1

      Oooo-oop 🐘

    • @dontem.8369
      @dontem.8369 Рік тому +1

      Sis you paper tho…

    • @LadycookieK0304
      @LadycookieK0304 Рік тому +6

      @@dontem.8369 I am a Diamond Life member with 25 years of uninterrupted service. I serve on the Southern Region Leadership team and my chapter. The whole “paper” vs “made” philosophy has no merit on what our Founders or organizations stand for. It has been my experience that most people who were brutally beaten or “made” rarely remain active in their organizations. We were initiated into organizations for service, not into violent gangs. Hazing has caused many of our organizations to lose out on corporate sponsorships, etc. because businesses do not want to be associated with organizations that participate in violent illegal behavior. Hazing is a replica of slavery and should not be tolerated in our organizations. So if being “paper” means being dignified and proper then I’m paper all day and proud.

    • @dontem.8369
      @dontem.8369 Рік тому

      @@LadycookieK0304 lol, you can’t be proud of yourself. You feel proud not knowing particular rituals those who are made right know. You sound crazy asf being proud about being paper. I was made right… I will die proud of this…

    • @LadycookieK0304
      @LadycookieK0304 Рік тому

      @@dontem.8369 Most “old school” D9 men like my husband who has been a member of Alpha Phi Alpha for 31 years, are very respectful and do not speak to women this way. It’s relatively interesting and shocking to say the least. Most people would say that you sound stupid and not me. What grown, educated, professional man brags about being beaten , sounds like Stockholm syndrome to me. Your argument or insults have no merit. Go and engage with some weak minded undergrads who would be impressed with your argument.

  • @spoolyboi9434
    @spoolyboi9434 Рік тому +42

    I went to an hbcu and enjoyed the experience for the two years I went but dropped out because of the financial stress in put on me and my family, as well as not being certain about what I wanted to do, if I could have a second chance I'd definitely go to a pwi, and hazing is stupid what sense does it make to beat "loyalty" into someone, lowkey sounds like some slavery mindset ish

    • @JDavis-zk6vd
      @JDavis-zk6vd Рік тому +6

      If you would have pledged, your line brothers would have pulled together and made sure you had what you needed to stay in school and graduate! That's the part non-greeks don't have the luxury of experiencing in life! Just like when I'm hiring....it doesn't matter which organization, Devine 9 is going to get the job!

    • @spoolyboi9434
      @spoolyboi9434 Рік тому +9

      @J. Davis ΩΨΦ if the cost is a ass whipping I'm good, currently doing just as good if not better than some of my classmates, a home owner as well, college isn't the only way trades and skills deserve to be pushed just as hard as a degree but our people are to bouije to hear that

    • @JDavis-zk6vd
      @JDavis-zk6vd Рік тому

      @@spoolyboi9434 "College isn't the only way," that's a bullshit cop out for those who fail to apply themselves in school! The odds of becoming successful are far greater with a college degree! Numbers don't lie!

    • @Bugger22
      @Bugger22 Рік тому

      @@JDavis-zk6vd I have strong bonds with “Greeks (cough), and non-Greeks from my college days. And both tried to keep me from leaving school in ‘94 when things got to overwhelming. All you need to be in life is a person of high morals and character. Thanks for carrying on the slave masters’ grand design. 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @swaggtastic51
      @swaggtastic51 Рік тому +1

      So you hire just because of some stupid affiliation instead of who’s best for the job?

  • @Thomas-yu4hn
    @Thomas-yu4hn Рік тому

    Facts > Feelings

  • @thegodnykilrashad
    @thegodnykilrashad Рік тому

    Awesome!!

  • @AnthonyJohnson-hl1ru
    @AnthonyJohnson-hl1ru Рік тому +3

    Roland Martin a good 👍 dude 😎💯

  • @urexpressionsphotography1082
    @urexpressionsphotography1082 Рік тому +10

    I agree with Roland 100%. My whole line dropped after big brothers got drunk then wanted to haze us! Not was going to happen!! I have never returned to that Fraternity! I have always said, how are going to try beat me and then want me to call U my brother.

    • @lovelyone98
      @lovelyone98 2 місяці тому

      @urexpressionsphotography1082 You and your line made the right decision. That ain't no brotherhood. You are even more of a man for making the right decision not to join. Good for you.

  • @JohnDoe-yi4xd
    @JohnDoe-yi4xd 2 місяці тому +1

    Line folders vary from chapter to chapter. Some even have your line number on them.

  • @bbu1229
    @bbu1229 Рік тому +13

    Thanks for telling like it is Roland!!! College is College...I was in the same boat. I feel the same exact way. I went to a PWI and I'm still the same BLACK Man I was when I left home as when I came back home!!! I also feel the same way about pledging, dumb crap. You don't have to touch anyone to get your point across; what about the selection process? If you don't select the right people, then you are not getting the right people that fit your organization. I took the wood, but some of those same brothers don't speak or haven't done anything for me. You can have fun with things, but don't demean anyone.

  • @vegitausa
    @vegitausa Рік тому +43

    Maaan, he stirring up the hornets nest lol but he speaking the truth!

    • @vrcorvettes2048
      @vrcorvettes2048 Рік тому +1

      Its only a hornets nest cause its thise "dudes" mad -cause thats it. You are in a brotherhood on Wednesday but Tuesday that same dude kicked you in the ribs. Now hes your "brother". After graduation....neither has done anything but hey we bruths...and "kangs"...

  • @Rambunctious216
    @Rambunctious216 Рік тому +24

    I went to college after joining the military (special forces) there was no way in hell someone was gonna abuse me. Drill Sgt. did enough of that.

    • @z040880
      @z040880 Рік тому +1

      Pledging/ Hazing was actually started from fraternity members returning from the military fyi..

    • @Rambunctious216
      @Rambunctious216 Рік тому +2

      @@z040880 FYI hazing has been around since the late 1700's

    • @z040880
      @z040880 Рік тому +2

      @@Rambunctious216 yep but college black fraternities picked it up from military members

    • @taharqa332
      @taharqa332 Рік тому

      @@z040880WRONG!!! You tried it tho.

    • @akeem2752
      @akeem2752 Рік тому +3

      ​@@z040880 but you clearly stated the huge difference one is military the other is school. Hazing in the military is to make sure you can be trusted and follow orders you can't make a navy seal by simply asking them to do push ups or to swim you have to test them in all aspects, the goal is to build a soldier ready to die fighting to win. College hazing serves no purpose, I'm not preparing for war, I'm trying to get a job🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️. Your comment was pointless and made no sense. Cats are the same as dogs in your brain I guess😂😂😂.

  • @k-way8471
    @k-way8471 Рік тому

    Unc Roland on glad not this is what’s up Roland keep it solid

  • @ernestined.lawrence9514
    @ernestined.lawrence9514 Рік тому +7

    It’s about time men voice this kind of wisdom! It’s about damn time!

  • @QueenLeo94
    @QueenLeo94 Рік тому +23

    I do not believe physical, emotional or mental damage must be inflicted to bring unity on a line
    But I do believe accountability is necessary. I pledged a Business fraternity and we had public speaking requirements, business attire we had to wear etc
    What we learned prepared us for the corporate world & forced my pledge class to work together on group projects for weeks at a time
    No harm was done & I had pledge brothers I will jump & help to this day. Divine 9 has the influence to make the pledge process 100% constructive
    I’m also an AKA & was initiated at a PWI. Been financially active since I joined in 2015

  • @henrykellogg7202
    @henrykellogg7202 Рік тому +7

    Love the story … Great interview
    Sounds like me in Spring 88 @ an HBCU.
    I wasn’t playing that shit especially from Brothers that was not financially active.

    • @z040880
      @z040880 Рік тому +1

      What chapter?

  • @paulielamont6739
    @paulielamont6739 Рік тому

    Spilling all the tea. Mad cat!

  • @ForgottenCityOnline
    @ForgottenCityOnline Рік тому +36

    ROLAND cussing is the funniest shit 😂🤣😂

    • @deesee2051
      @deesee2051 Рік тому +3

      😂😂😂😂😂 man I thought the same thing I love seeing celebrities we don’t hear curse do it lol

    • @ForgottenCityOnline
      @ForgottenCityOnline Рік тому +1

      @@deesee2051 he a whole clown! ROLAND ain’t never punk nobody!

    • @reginaldbstewart395
      @reginaldbstewart395 Рік тому +2

      I never knew he cussed like that lol

    • @ForgottenCityOnline
      @ForgottenCityOnline Рік тому +1

      @@reginaldbstewart395 he don’t! He tryna be tough & it looks hella corny!

    • @TheSpannReport
      @TheSpannReport Рік тому +3

      ​@@ForgottenCityOnline you obviously don't watch his channel much. He curses quite a bit.

  • @lh4498
    @lh4498 Рік тому +39

    If this was the mindset I would have pledged

    • @jordanwilliams1546
      @jordanwilliams1546 Рік тому +7

      Hazing is still heavy now I just got out of school

    • @101elelky
      @101elelky Рік тому

      Save your dignity … nowadays they’ll have you playing with another man’s 🍆 just so you can shake your shoulders at parties!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @shawnjohn7744
    @shawnjohn7744 Рік тому +18

    if you pledged you got WOOD!!!!!!

  • @A3901_
    @A3901_ 4 місяці тому

    We love it! we love it! We want more of it!! 😂

  • @victorwilliams1304
    @victorwilliams1304 Рік тому +8

    Roland never disappoints

  • @localmatterspodcastofgeorg3624

    Thanks Roland. Your commentary has never been more accurate. I am a Diamond Life member of Delta Sigma Theta, initiated into the Mu Upsilon Chapter, College of William and Mary, Fall 1982. Also served as an Alpha Sweetheart, Kappy Pi Chapter, 1981-1985.

  • @gw6496
    @gw6496 Рік тому +1

    Roland is that strong Black Man✊🏾✊🏾

  • @atsimons1
    @atsimons1 Рік тому +1

    Roland speaks nothing but the truth. Great Segment!

    • @andrejohnson1703
      @andrejohnson1703 Рік тому

      BS Sometimes Roland's mouth is his biggest downfall since his days here in Chicago..

    • @rolandsmartin
      @rolandsmartin Рік тому

      @@andrejohnson1703 bullshit.

  • @spiderpimp33
    @spiderpimp33 Рік тому +4

    🤙🏾🤙🏾 In tha building! Fall 04’

  • @thehbkboy
    @thehbkboy Рік тому +3

    4:06-4:08 is That Chris Smoove Laugh From 2012

  • @ritalove57
    @ritalove57 Рік тому +6

    I agree with Roland Martin. That's why I didn't join a sorority in college. Roland get his points across in an aggressive manner sometimes because people don't listen to you when you are passive. A lot of folk is stuck on stupid.

  • @derekwalker8114
    @derekwalker8114 Рік тому +4

    Kudos to Rolland! I said this back in 89. Why get my ass kicked for 3 letters. That's why I never pledged. I had an epiphany when I went to Africa. I'm an African but I want to be a Greek? That makes no sense to me. Rolland is correct. Pay all that money and never graduate, send your kids off to school and come back in a body bag. I love his concept. Much respect.

  • @redcarpetfly
    @redcarpetfly Рік тому +12

    I love hearing Roland Martin talk about his pledging days! Being a Divine Nine member myself (who pledged), I enjoy hearing the old head's stories.