I'm about 2/3 of the way through this book and uave overall absolutely loved my time with the series, but have specifically had a smile on my face so often whilst reading Disquiet Gods. I'm a Christian, and I love science fiction stories, but so many of them have next to zero religious themes or if those themes are present they're basically always painting specifically Christianity in a negative light. Disquiet Gods, instead, is building Christian mythos into its world, and I think it's absolutely amazing all while still not being a "Christian" book. Nearly any scifi I have ever read would have a being like The Quiet be a villain or a fiction within the world and wouldn't take it seriously, and certainly not have it be even remotely based on a God figure that is part of a current world religion. I just think its amazing and wholly unique of things that I have read. Also, love the differing philosophies of the different groups and empires and such. The Cielcin Gnosticism rings so true to the kind of race they are/with their relationship to The Watchers, and The Watchers relationship to The Quiet. Love it. So excited to finish this book and be caught up and then to see how the Suneater ends. Cool review! Not many people are interested in talking about the philosophy behind stories, only the happenings of the story. Looking forward to your interview with Ruocchio!
Yeah, you make a good point. If you're a Christian, you're not going to find people writing fantasy or SF who are treating Christianity---or religion in general---with the thematic seriousness it deserves. Christopher and a few others are the rare exceptions. Otherwise, you just have to go back to C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, and Gene Wolfe.
Interesting. Yes, someone else said that, too. It makes sense, though, because I think Howling Dark and Disquiet Gods are both really similar. Similar themes, similar philosophical elements, similar characters and places. It almost read to me like a sequel of Howling Dark. Thanks for watching, man!
Thanks for the review! There was one big thing that bothered me in this book, but it was used to make a philosophical point. A promise is made early on in some of Hadrian's visions. The promise and arch of this story line become a philosophical point, representing the free will and choice that Hadrian still has. In my opinion, this felt a but hand wavy, and lowered the other characters importance/impact on the story. The character became a vehicle for this philosophical decision. I didn't feel the upsides to this decision in this book, but maybe it will pay off in the next book. Did anyone else feel like this? This book has some great moments, but for me it wasn't my favorite. Hadrian stopped feeling real to me, and his internal monologue repeated itself a lot. This is probably because I read all of these books and novellas in a two to three month timespan. The dialogues with loved ones seemed too serious and felt flat. Especially for Hadrian and his daughter. He is always so serious/stiff around her. This is still one of my favorite sci-fi series of all time! I was expecting others to have similar thoughts, but am happily surprised this is not the case. Some readers rank this as their favorite in the series. Excited for the next book :) Thanks again for the content!
I really enjoyed Disquiet Gods, but my favorite Sun Eater book is still Demon in White, followed by Empire of Silence. I would put Disquiet Gods in third, tied with Howling Dark. I guess I saw Hadrian's relationship with his daughter a little differently. I think there are a lot of single fathers who act like this, especially when there's no mom in the picture. Hadrian is her only parent and I think he's constantly feeling the weight of that responsibility. I think he knows he really only has one chance and he's trying to do it right. There was a sense I got that he doesn't want to be her friend, but her guardian, her caretaker, and her father. I think she also reminds him of Valka, to some degree, and that can make a man a bit standoff-ish... just my two cents. :) Thanks for watching!
@@offworlder4694 ya I am :) I wasn't trying to spoil anything. I might have misread it. There was a decent chunk of page time spent on Hadrian debating his relationship with selene. I took this as Hadrian partially choosing his own destiny, and realizing some things aren't predetermined. But I would be pleasantly surprised if that is undone in the next book.
Awesome review, and you genuinely enriched my experience with the book! I tend to read for an immersive transporting experience and rarely sit back and contemplate the bigger ideas or metatextual connections, but with such a rich series as this there will be great benefits in doing so - thanks for teasing a lot of that out for me!
Thanks for watching, man! Yeah, I think it's really important to read for an immersive experience. I'm best at reading fiction when I mostly turn off my cerebral brain and just try to enjoy the story. If you're too analytical with it, it can definitely ruin the experience. That's why I mostly just underline stuff when I'm reading and then, when I'm done with the book, that's when I do all the thinking and gather my thoughts. Hope you enjoyed Disquiet Gods! :)
Great review to a great book. The Job "Where were you?" passage really jumped out to me too. It reminded me there's a pretty cool song I love "Where were you?" by the band Ghost Ship that puts this passage to song in a powerful way, worth a listen.
10:10 No Jordan! Not the Brett Cooper comparison!! 😂😂😂 In all seriousness I just finished the book this afternoon and it’s definitely in my top two of the series! Chapter 40 is one of my favorite chapters in anything fantasy ever. I was on the edge of my seat throughout this book more so than any Sun Eater book before.
Disquiet Gods... For me the highs were so high that they were the best in the series, but the stuff I didn't like I think I outright hate? There was some character work I was souered on, especially with the female characters, and he cheapened some ideas by exploring them further (and some he didn't explore far enough.) And there were some twists that had me rolling my eyes. That said the Indiana Jones lore stuff had me glued to my audiobook. And he finally made me like Lorien, I'm finally a true fan! 😂 And the sequence up to chapter 40 and the the chapter itself...mind blowing life altering experience!
I think I pretty much feel the same. It wasn't a perfect book for me, by any means. But the highs were so high and the good aspects so good that I walked away wanting to give the book 5-stars.
Currently listening to Kingdoms of Death!! I first heard of the series from Mike but you’re content with Christopher is what made me want to finally read his stuff! PS. Still working my way through your book. Sorry it’s been slow going lately!
Thanks for watching, Sam! I hope you enjoy Kingdoms of Death. And again, thanks for reading our book and giving us feedback and no need to rush. Just to be perfectly transparent with you, we decided to hire A.P. Canavan to edit our book. A.P. is the UA-camr and developmental editor who did Philip Chase's series. He'll be done with our book in a week, at which point we're going to start editing it and making changes. That said, any feedback you give us is still SUPER helpful. Thanks a lot, man!
For me, so far, I think Demon in White is still my favorite, followed by Empire of Silence. I'd put Disquiet Gods in third, tied with Howling Dark. That said, as a lover of philosophy I feel like engaged with this book at an entirely different level. Thanks for tuning in, and cheers!
Haha is this a soft plea to get DW to do a sci fi series of Suneater staring Brett as Cassandra? Ruocchio is following in the footsteps of Tolkien in the sense of making non cringy Christian literature. Im here for the Ruocchios and Wolfes of literature and hope more follow in their footsteps
I agree with this whole comment. A) Yes, DW should make Sun Eater and Brett should be Cassandra. B) I'm here for the non-cringy thinly veiled Christian literature.
I'm about 2/3 of the way through this book and uave overall absolutely loved my time with the series, but have specifically had a smile on my face so often whilst reading Disquiet Gods. I'm a Christian, and I love science fiction stories, but so many of them have next to zero religious themes or if those themes are present they're basically always painting specifically Christianity in a negative light. Disquiet Gods, instead, is building Christian mythos into its world, and I think it's absolutely amazing all while still not being a "Christian" book. Nearly any scifi I have ever read would have a being like The Quiet be a villain or a fiction within the world and wouldn't take it seriously, and certainly not have it be even remotely based on a God figure that is part of a current world religion. I just think its amazing and wholly unique of things that I have read.
Also, love the differing philosophies of the different groups and empires and such. The Cielcin Gnosticism rings so true to the kind of race they are/with their relationship to The Watchers, and The Watchers relationship to The Quiet.
Love it. So excited to finish this book and be caught up and then to see how the Suneater ends.
Cool review! Not many people are interested in talking about the philosophy behind stories, only the happenings of the story. Looking forward to your interview with Ruocchio!
Yeah, you make a good point. If you're a Christian, you're not going to find people writing fantasy or SF who are treating Christianity---or religion in general---with the thematic seriousness it deserves. Christopher and a few others are the rare exceptions. Otherwise, you just have to go back to C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, and Gene Wolfe.
Can’t wait for you and Christopher to sit down for a conversation about the book.
Same here! Thanks for watching!
It supplanted HD as my favorite!
Interesting. Yes, someone else said that, too. It makes sense, though, because I think Howling Dark and Disquiet Gods are both really similar. Similar themes, similar philosophical elements, similar characters and places. It almost read to me like a sequel of Howling Dark. Thanks for watching, man!
Thanks for the review! There was one big thing that bothered me in this book, but it was used to make a philosophical point. A promise is made early on in some of Hadrian's visions. The promise and arch of this story line become a philosophical point, representing the free will and choice that Hadrian still has. In my opinion, this felt a but hand wavy, and lowered the other characters importance/impact on the story. The character became a vehicle for this philosophical decision. I didn't feel the upsides to this decision in this book, but maybe it will pay off in the next book. Did anyone else feel like this?
This book has some great moments, but for me it wasn't my favorite. Hadrian stopped feeling real to me, and his internal monologue repeated itself a lot. This is probably because I read all of these books and novellas in a two to three month timespan. The dialogues with loved ones seemed too serious and felt flat. Especially for Hadrian and his daughter. He is always so serious/stiff around her. This is still one of my favorite sci-fi series of all time! I was expecting others to have similar thoughts, but am happily surprised this is not the case. Some readers rank this as their favorite in the series. Excited for the next book :) Thanks again for the content!
If you're talking about Selene, I am pretty sure Hadrian is lying about her fate.
I really enjoyed Disquiet Gods, but my favorite Sun Eater book is still Demon in White, followed by Empire of Silence. I would put Disquiet Gods in third, tied with Howling Dark. I guess I saw Hadrian's relationship with his daughter a little differently. I think there are a lot of single fathers who act like this, especially when there's no mom in the picture. Hadrian is her only parent and I think he's constantly feeling the weight of that responsibility. I think he knows he really only has one chance and he's trying to do it right. There was a sense I got that he doesn't want to be her friend, but her guardian, her caretaker, and her father. I think she also reminds him of Valka, to some degree, and that can make a man a bit standoff-ish... just my two cents. :) Thanks for watching!
@@offworlder4694 ya I am :) I wasn't trying to spoil anything. I might have misread it. There was a decent chunk of page time spent on Hadrian debating his relationship with selene. I took this as Hadrian partially choosing his own destiny, and realizing some things aren't predetermined. But I would be pleasantly surprised if that is undone in the next book.
Awesome review, and you genuinely enriched my experience with the book! I tend to read for an immersive transporting experience and rarely sit back and contemplate the bigger ideas or metatextual connections, but with such a rich series as this there will be great benefits in doing so - thanks for teasing a lot of that out for me!
Thanks for watching, man! Yeah, I think it's really important to read for an immersive experience. I'm best at reading fiction when I mostly turn off my cerebral brain and just try to enjoy the story. If you're too analytical with it, it can definitely ruin the experience. That's why I mostly just underline stuff when I'm reading and then, when I'm done with the book, that's when I do all the thinking and gather my thoughts. Hope you enjoyed Disquiet Gods! :)
Wonderful review. Always enjoy a booktuber raving about my favorite sci fi series of all time.
Thanks for watching! Glad to have another Sun Eater fan along for the ride. :)
Great review to a great book. The Job "Where were you?" passage really jumped out to me too. It reminded me there's a pretty cool song I love "Where were you?" by the band Ghost Ship that puts this passage to song in a powerful way, worth a listen.
Thanks, brother! Great minds think alike, I guess. Also, now I have to listed to some Ghost Ship. Is it sad that I’ve never even heard of that band?
10:10
No Jordan! Not the Brett Cooper comparison!! 😂😂😂
In all seriousness I just finished the book this afternoon and it’s definitely in my top two of the series! Chapter 40 is one of my favorite chapters in anything fantasy ever. I was on the edge of my seat throughout this book more so than any Sun Eater book before.
Best review of the book so far
Thank you so much, Sir! I appreciate it. :)
Wow beautiful review!!
Thank you so much! That means a lot. :)
Disquiet Gods... For me the highs were so high that they were the best in the series, but the stuff I didn't like I think I outright hate?
There was some character work I was souered on, especially with the female characters, and he cheapened some ideas by exploring them further (and some he didn't explore far enough.) And there were some twists that had me rolling my eyes.
That said the Indiana Jones lore stuff had me glued to my audiobook. And he finally made me like Lorien, I'm finally a true fan! 😂 And the sequence up to chapter 40 and the the chapter itself...mind blowing life altering experience!
I think I pretty much feel the same. It wasn't a perfect book for me, by any means. But the highs were so high and the good aspects so good that I walked away wanting to give the book 5-stars.
Currently listening to Kingdoms of Death!! I first heard of the series from Mike but you’re content with Christopher is what made me want to finally read his stuff!
PS. Still working my way through your book. Sorry it’s been slow going lately!
Thanks for watching, Sam! I hope you enjoy Kingdoms of Death. And again, thanks for reading our book and giving us feedback and no need to rush. Just to be perfectly transparent with you, we decided to hire A.P. Canavan to edit our book. A.P. is the UA-camr and developmental editor who did Philip Chase's series. He'll be done with our book in a week, at which point we're going to start editing it and making changes. That said, any feedback you give us is still SUPER helpful. Thanks a lot, man!
@@iWizard sounds good!! You guys have guts letting THE critical dragon dismember your work like that…legends say few survive his deconstructing gaze.
Great review, man! DG surpassed HD as my favorite and it’s definitely due to the metaphysical weight it brings to the series
For me, so far, I think Demon in White is still my favorite, followed by Empire of Silence. I'd put Disquiet Gods in third, tied with Howling Dark. That said, as a lover of philosophy I feel like engaged with this book at an entirely different level. Thanks for tuning in, and cheers!
Haha is this a soft plea to get DW to do a sci fi series of Suneater staring Brett as Cassandra?
Ruocchio is following in the footsteps of Tolkien in the sense of making non cringy Christian literature. Im here for the Ruocchios and Wolfes of literature and hope more follow in their footsteps
I agree with this whole comment. A) Yes, DW should make Sun Eater and Brett should be Cassandra. B) I'm here for the non-cringy thinly veiled Christian literature.