Optimal braking is all about managing your car's weight, not necessarily stopping the car. I think this is the most important concept to understand. When you brake, the car's weight is shifted forward, providing more downforce on your front tires and thus extra grip while turning, which is highly beneficial during cornering. The key to trail braking is keeping that weight on the front tires while being able to turn. To achieve this, you have to be applying some amount of braking while also turning. Braking fully helps you slow down the car enough to take the corner. You can't turn at all at this stage because you're locking up those tires. When you're ready to start turning, you're managing the weight of the car into the apex for maximum grip and speed into it and also out of it by keeping enough brake applied during entry. At this point you're using the weight of the car with your brakes to maintain that grip where you need it the most, not to stop the car further. Each car is a little different, and once you truly master the technique, you may even notice your car oversteer a little into the apex while doing this. Once you understand your cars stopping power vs front tire grip you'll really start becoming quick on the track.
Great explanation and examples Rory. This has come at the perfect time for me as I'm working on my trial braking ATM. Using Coach Dave Delta to view my brake curves they are on / off basically. No slow measured release! Been working on this for a couple of sessions now - these track guide corners are a brilliant way to hone the skills and muscle memory.
This is way harder than explained. Trail braking changes according to which car you're driving. A Porsche comes to mind. As you trail brake the car starts to over steer. And thus this becomes a difficult dance between keeping the rear of the car from sending you into a wall and slowing the car down. Some cars are better balanced. And thus make trail braking very predictable. All this is also affected by downshifting. Not to say this video isn't valid. And like he mentions the corner, the tire, the car. Etc etc. All affect trail braking. Some cars you literally can't trail brake because the rear becomes so unstable.
How do you deal with that? Some road sports cars spin violently as soon as you ease off the brakes. Do you do all your braking in a straight line or put all the brakes bias to the front?
Brilliant video Rory! As many have said, way easier said than done but it's crucial to remember. I might add one thing, I'd say optimal trail braking is definitely harder when using a controller. Using one finger is harder than using a whole foot -never give up everyone!
Thanks bro. . excellent explanation.. Oh and well done for your last 200 lap event.. can't believe it come down too the last lap.. proper nail biting stuff.. thank fuk for that time penalty he got.. But tbf you did have a pitstop fueling issue lol.. And a few minute essential daddy time hug pit stop..
The biggest benefit of trailbraking is it gives more room to choose your line into and thus through and out of the corner. It's even more important with motorcycles because motorcycles slow down a lot worse per kg than a car given smaller and less contact patches.
way easier said than done! this works different for every car - and every corner. when I watch the worlds best drivers it is so perfect, I sometimes think they are cheating
Great video as always however I often use a clutch and H shifter which makes me a right foot braker as the left foot is on the clutch pedal. I have developed a technique of releasing the brake gradually with the right foot but there is a small amount of time where I'm not actually on the brake or throttle as my foot moves back to the throttle pedal.
Trail braking with a controller is very difficult because there’s no real feedback, it takes repeated attempts at the same corner to get the judgment somewhere near. Also with a wheel do you get more steering angle? I have watched some replays and they somehow seem to get more steering lock on tighter slower corners
Do you know what. I get trail braking, so I'm a pad user 95% of the time, but I'm slower when I do use the wheel and want to get quicker before I use that in races. I'm sort of okay trail braking using a pad. I never even consider just going into circuit experience and practising tricky sectors on the wheel 😂😂 even that is good advice. Cheers Rory!
Excellent video! I try to trailbrake the best I can but I find ir very difficult to be consistent. I do it perfectly for 2,3 corners and then the next 2 or 3 I fail. By the way, I play with joystick, I don´t have a wheel and pedals, do you think I need em to improve?
It's probably even easier on the pad because you're getting physical feedback in the form of vibration from the brakes on the trigger. The trick is to let go of the trigger enough to feel the vibration slow down. When ABS is engaged the trigger vibrates more frequently. You can't start turning while this is happening. Let go of the braking trigger enough for the vibration to slow down considerably, and only then will your front tires fully respond to your turning inputs. Gradually let go of the brake as you enter but keep some amount of brake applied until you reach the apex and then go full throttle on your exit as quickly as possible.
Great video, i already understood the string theory concept for trail braking but i am a still slow and inconsistent in my corner entry and exits. The game changer for me i got from this video is that you can practice specific sectors on every track. Thats so useful and i never realized that was an option in GT7. I only ever practiced using qualifying mode for online races.
Its easy 😅 i do this in every race game, its simple physics. Its also the only way do get easier Gold in licences but to Master it with different Cars is the real hard part.
At this point i don’t even trust gt7 physics anymore I was doing a time trial at red bull ring not long ago… a track where trail breaking is needed very minimally And I tried different break bias, techniques, everything I could… And somehow the global leaders were able to brake abt 20ft later than me… which is quite ridiculous Especially in turn 1, we would be approaching at the same speed, have the same entry, and brake at the same moment, and I wouldn’t even stay on the track…. These claims can also be backed by the fact record times are on average 3 second faster than irl times, and if you watch the way ppl brake they very much exaggerate racing lines in this games and the abuse of the car + tire physics I just don’t understand the hype surrounding the way this game works competitively It’s a great game, but everyone things this is some pro sim and it’s eating the base of its community
It takes a long time to get used to this technique, best thing to do is stay still with your car and just press the braking pedal to max and then just slowly release it , do this for hours .. and maybe you get some muscle memory. Is hard , but not impossible, it just takes 💩 long time and dedication. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you start to BEGGING every single time then you lose my Respect. Its sad, Very sad too See... so you see everyone Changed and its al about the money. ◄► When people Deserve this then i understand. So Sad The world we living in!► I can't even race anymore because my Playstation is broke, Im Not begging💯◄💯💯 Nope.► Only ''Famous'' Drivers get Donation, But Small UA-camrs Like me for Example) that really need it, They Get Nothing! 💯💢
Yes it helps, but just a little. Because Rory uses motor breaking from down shifting his own gears. Most other people use automatic transmission. When the car down shifts in automatic you DO NOT get motor breaking! This is why some people are fast and others are seconds slower driving exactly the same.
Optimal braking is all about managing your car's weight, not necessarily stopping the car. I think this is the most important concept to understand.
When you brake, the car's weight is shifted forward, providing more downforce on your front tires and thus extra grip while turning, which is highly beneficial during cornering.
The key to trail braking is keeping that weight on the front tires while being able to turn. To achieve this, you have to be applying some amount of braking while also turning.
Braking fully helps you slow down the car enough to take the corner. You can't turn at all at this stage because you're locking up those tires.
When you're ready to start turning, you're managing the weight of the car into the apex for maximum grip and speed into it and also out of it by keeping enough brake applied during entry. At this point you're using the weight of the car with your brakes to maintain that grip where you need it the most, not to stop the car further.
Each car is a little different, and once you truly master the technique, you may even notice your car oversteer a little into the apex while doing this. Once you understand your cars stopping power vs front tire grip you'll really start becoming quick on the track.
Great explanation, thanks!
Great explanation and examples Rory. This has come at the perfect time for me as I'm working on my trial braking ATM. Using Coach Dave Delta to view my brake curves they are on / off basically. No slow measured release! Been working on this for a couple of sessions now - these track guide corners are a brilliant way to hone the skills and muscle memory.
Perfect, I hope this helps and you get it nailed!
This is way harder than explained. Trail braking changes according to which car you're driving. A Porsche comes to mind. As you trail brake the car starts to over steer. And thus this becomes a difficult dance between keeping the rear of the car from sending you into a wall and slowing the car down. Some cars are better balanced. And thus make trail braking very predictable. All this is also affected by downshifting. Not to say this video isn't valid. And like he mentions the corner, the tire, the car. Etc etc. All affect trail braking. Some cars you literally can't trail brake because the rear becomes so unstable.
Uh the gt3 rs is a fucking beast breaking hard and turning without crashing
How do you deal with that? Some road sports cars spin violently as soon as you ease off the brakes. Do you do all your braking in a straight line or put all the brakes bias to the front?
Brilliant video Rory! As many have said, way easier said than done but it's crucial to remember. I might add one thing, I'd say optimal trail braking is definitely harder when using a controller. Using one finger is harder than using a whole foot -never give up everyone!
4:08 perfect definition and explanation!
Thanks bro. . excellent explanation..
Oh and well done for your last 200 lap event.. can't believe it come down too the last lap.. proper nail biting stuff.. thank fuk for that time penalty he got..
But tbf you did have a pitstop fueling issue lol..
And a few minute essential daddy time hug pit stop..
Great vid man! I struggle a lot with my trail braking. Been at it for 2 years now and still struggling. But...getting faster.
Great video / tutorial Rory👌🏻,
A very good explanation for drivers who struggle with this technic or want to improve it👌🏻
Thanx Rory. Helps loads. Merry xmas thanx for all your vids. Slipstream VR.
The biggest benefit of trailbraking is it gives more room to choose your line into and thus through and out of the corner. It's even more important with motorcycles because motorcycles slow down a lot worse per kg than a car given smaller and less contact patches.
String theory isn't dead afterall. Nice one Rory.
Best tutorial on this I've seen, thanks!
Great video Rory! Very helpful thank you
way easier said than done! this works different for every car - and every corner. when I watch the worlds best drivers it is so perfect, I sometimes think they are cheating
You have become a real PRO Rory😊
Thank I’ve been searching for a video to simplify this for me, now to put in some practice time
Electric vehicles are hard to slow down the trail breaking I think the AFEELA is great car to drive
Great video as always however I often use a clutch and H shifter which makes me a right foot braker as the left foot is on the clutch pedal. I have developed a technique of releasing the brake gradually with the right foot but there is a small amount of time where I'm not actually on the brake or throttle as my foot moves back to the throttle pedal.
thank you for this video also merry christmas i hope you and your family have a great christmas
Thanks for the explanation and advice,I will try it tomorrow hopefully I'll be faster 😂
Trail breaking is like having extra wing. Aka downforce
Thanks for your clearly explaination
This video is perfect I understand trail braking was more now.
Christmas socks would be a nice touch.
Im still very rough at it, but my god, the improvement is huge already
Glad to hear improvement is happening, keep at it!
Thanks for this video mate👍
That was very helpfull, thank you Rory❤
This is the video I've been waiting on..thank you 👍
Hope it helps my friend
Sometimes ill brake with keeping accelerator at 50-75%, helps keep grip with a bomb lol
Great video, very useful will def help me that’s for sure 👌
Great vid Rory - one day I will be able to trail brake….
Best explanation 😊
Funny how I was asking my self last night “how tf are they so fast what am I doing wrong” and you released this vid
181k wow well done rory
Trail braking with a controller is very difficult because there’s no real feedback, it takes repeated attempts at the same corner to get the judgment somewhere near.
Also with a wheel do you get more steering angle? I have watched some replays and they somehow seem to get more steering lock on tighter slower corners
What is the recommendations to a new sim racer? Learn as many tracks a possible or just focus on some tracks and master those?
Do you know what. I get trail braking, so I'm a pad user 95% of the time, but I'm slower when I do use the wheel and want to get quicker before I use that in races. I'm sort of okay trail braking using a pad. I never even consider just going into circuit experience and practising tricky sectors on the wheel 😂😂 even that is good advice. Cheers Rory!
Daytona was a quite difficult time trail using a controller. But i managed to pull it off💪🏻
Very similar to motorcycle
Good video
No tire squeal grip grip grip is name of game fine dance brakes an acceleration
Great video Rory! Quick question, which abs setting helps most with trailbreaking?
I use weak, which is the default
Thank you, good video. Wich applications do you use?
Applications?
Yes, which?
If you check the description everything he uses is all there 👍🏻
I've been learning trail braking and I'm still slow 😂
I didn't even know to use your second foot for the brake. Does anyone do this in everyday life?
Hey Rory, quick question. Is it doable to do trail braking on controllers?
Apparently, you have to have a British or Australian accent in order to have a GT7 channel. 😁
Much love from Texas.
Excellent video! I try to trailbrake the best I can but I find ir very difficult to be consistent. I do it perfectly for 2,3 corners and then the next 2 or 3 I fail. By the way, I play with joystick, I don´t have a wheel and pedals, do you think I need em to improve?
It's probably even easier on the pad because you're getting physical feedback in the form of vibration from the brakes on the trigger. The trick is to let go of the trigger enough to feel the vibration slow down.
When ABS is engaged the trigger vibrates more frequently. You can't start turning while this is happening. Let go of the braking trigger enough for the vibration to slow down considerably, and only then will your front tires fully respond to your turning inputs.
Gradually let go of the brake as you enter but keep some amount of brake applied until you reach the apex and then go full throttle on your exit as quickly as possible.
Love the video Rory, would you be able to share your wheel settings for the T598 ?
They are in the description, I also use 5 for everything in the controller settings in game
@ Legend mate much appreciated 👍
Trailbraking,my achiles heel lol
And mine too!
@@EERIEISSSSI made uk account to race u but u probably beat me lol xD im more b rated lobby 😅
is there a way to know I'm going into a corner "too" slow, is there some pointers I can pick up on?
wow, I'm famous! (I'm the slow driver)
Thank you for taking the time to share that Peter! Much appreciated and I think it really helps to make it easier for everyone else.
Does any turn off ABS? I run it on weak.
I was using it not knowing that is for top drivers 😅
Are you faster?
Great video, i already understood the string theory concept for trail braking but i am a still slow and inconsistent in my corner entry and exits. The game changer for me i got from this video is that you can practice specific sectors on every track. Thats so useful and i never realized that was an option in GT7. I only ever practiced using qualifying mode for online races.
Practice makes perfect, get out there!
Good video - how would you apply this in wet conditions?
Gently
Either I’m misunderstanding something or I’ve been trail braking since I started sim racing
Practice with ABS off and you’ll learn very quickly how to master this.
I use weak personally
yo just wondering what pedals do u use?
Race line LTE’s come standard with the T598 👌
Yup, these!
Just started racing 5 days ago just got wheel yesterday
Same as me bro expect maybe a week before you but hope you enjoy it as much as I am!
Its easy 😅 i do this in every race game, its simple physics. Its also the only way do get easier Gold in licences but to Master it with different Cars is the real hard part.
Is it possible with a controller?
Yep 👍🏽
It’s a balancing act
Braking
At this point i don’t even trust gt7 physics anymore
I was doing a time trial at red bull ring not long ago… a track where trail breaking is needed very minimally
And I tried different break bias, techniques, everything I could…
And somehow the global leaders were able to brake abt 20ft later than me… which is quite ridiculous
Especially in turn 1, we would be approaching at the same speed, have the same entry, and brake at the same moment, and I wouldn’t even stay on the track….
These claims can also be backed by the fact record times are on average 3 second faster than irl times, and if you watch the way ppl brake they very much exaggerate racing lines in this games and the abuse of the car + tire physics
I just don’t understand the hype surrounding the way this game works competitively
It’s a great game, but everyone things this is some pro sim and it’s eating the base of its community
It takes a long time to get used to this technique, best thing to do is stay still with your car and just press the braking pedal to max and then just slowly release it , do this for hours .. and maybe you get some muscle memory. Is hard , but not impossible, it just takes 💩 long time and dedication. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s still a game not a car
If you start to BEGGING every single time then you lose my Respect.
Its sad, Very sad too See... so you see everyone Changed and its al about the money. ◄► When people Deserve this then i understand. So Sad The world we living in!► I can't even race anymore because my Playstation is broke, Im Not begging💯◄💯💯 Nope.► Only ''Famous'' Drivers get Donation, But Small UA-camrs Like me for Example) that really need it, They Get Nothing! 💯💢
Nice pink pig socks
Yes it helps, but just a little. Because Rory uses motor breaking from down shifting his own gears. Most other people use automatic transmission. When the car down shifts in automatic you DO NOT get motor breaking! This is why some people are fast and others are seconds slower driving exactly the same.
I just switched over to MT, and my lap times have improved…I’m a B driver and I thought I was the only person left who was using AT.
Hey Rory
if you really want us to learn , you gon have to put a prettier feet than that for us to look at.
I just use my controller and try to have a good time