The way Drakov used Antonia, his own daughter as a weapon in a twisted way, reminds me of how William Stryker used his son Jason in the X2 X-men United movie against Professor X and mutants. Both Drakov and Stryker didn't love their kids because of the condition that they were in, so instead they used them as means to an end.
I low-key really liked this film, I know people were expecting more but I just loved everything about this film just the whole notion of family and rebuilding burnt bridges
Clint was supposed to kill Natasha but didn’t. I think it’s gonna be the reverse when Yelena finds him. Yelena will have a chance to kill him but will not and possibly join the Avengers
The movie did mention that because they bombed the building in Budapest that caused a response from their army which lead to a shootout and the army hunting them for 10 days
The army shootout is probably what Nat was referring to when they were "pinned" against the Ultron bots "hey this is kinda the same thing" "uh... killer robots is a little different than some army scrubs"
Right… I was very surprised I didn’t notice them mentioning that when talking about the Budapest explanation. Only piece of information I feel is missing is how Clint realized Widow was worth saving in the first place
It was established in The Avengers that Hawkeye was sent to assasinate Black Widow, and Barton made another call. I kind of assume this was the first time those two met.
I loved the movie. Probably because I love Marvel stories and comics. Other than that thought the cinematography is amazing and the fight scenes are great. The story was a little shaky at times but brought it back home at the end.
The villain should have been the Black Widow gang and leave Taskmaster for the next Avengers movie or Young Avengers. Taskmaster was wasted here for a simple plot twist.
my guess Budapest : turned into a shoot out after they blew up drag, and then they ended up hunker down fighting like how they were hunker down fighting in nyc
Exactly! It's really not that difficult to figure out. The problem is they want to make it MORE, because ALIENS. That is also the joke. The reason why Hawkeye says he remembers it differently is because he was focused on the ALIENS, not the basic similar situation.
It’s very unlikely they’ll bring Scarlett Johansson into Hawkeye for a cameo , it’d probably kill half their budget. I do hope we’ll get an explanation in Hawkeye though.
@@snakeEyedPirate Exactly. I don't know why so many people are so hung up on these story devices. They don't matter to any plot. Or character development.
If Yelena mentioned "Crimson Dynamo", then there is a character in Russia by that name!! which is different from Whiplash (which said combined both chars) from Ironman 2!
which reminds me... I wonder if anyone else will have thought this. For some reason, I didn't really get the feeling that Alexei was just spinning tall tales in the prison there for the sake of his ego, as far as the Captain America stuff. I got the sense he genuinely thinks he fought what he believed was Captain America back in the, what was it, some time in the 80's? I wonder if there'd be a reason for that...
But guys! Ursa Major was the prisoner who's arm got broken by Red Guardian in the prison! As in Ursa Major the Bear Mutant! Why is nobody talking about this?!
Are you sure you "watch and rewatch" stuff? Because it only took one watch for me to see that the movie said they didn't start the chemical mind control until after Natasha escaped...
I assumed fighting alongside Clint against the Chitauri reminded Nat of fighting alongside Clint against the Hungarian special forces after the bombing.
After the explosion they were probably compromised, couldn’t be extracted so they probably had to shoot there way back to the safe house, then get to the crawl space
I actually think the opposite. I think this Taskmaster is the OG/ prototype but the protocol will be used again down the line to give us a more purposeful taskmaster
@@kyprianosippolytou7963 This is the thing that confused me the most about peoples' reaction to Taskmaster. The suit in the comics is so silly! The movie is definitely an improvement
Unless you want 4 hr movies, a lot of plot has to end up on the cutting room floor. So use your imagination for what isn't shown. It's ok. Marvel won't get mad at you. As for Taskmaster... this is the MCU, not the comics. A lot changes between the two mediums.
NRS: Why wasn't Natasha chemically induced like the other widows? Me: Chemical mind control stuff is not yet available in Natasha's time as a spy if you really watch the movie lol
Regarding the discussion at 16:17, you guys HAVE to remember, not everyone watching the movies is also readign all the comics. MANY viewers have NEVER touched the comics. Until this movie, I had zero idea who Yelena was.
9:45 yes Clint was supposed to Kill Natasha. But he made a different call. I don't know what movie they say this line in, but that's exactly what happens. What happened in budapest is not as big of a mystery as y'all are making it out to be
Yes agreed there should have been two black widow movies. One with the flashback with Natasha and Hawkeye all about Budapest and then this movie/timeline would be the second instalment. Way too much jammed into one movie IMO.
So if Red Guardian was also injected with the super soldier serum, does that mean there are other russians that were also injected? Or was Alexi the only one? And if he is the only one... why?
It was mentioned in the movie that he was the first and only Russian super soldier, and I think they only had enough serum for one person before the project was shut down.
Seems like Marvel has set up a way to do a Tony Masters version of Taskmaster, because tech has been established that can do mimicry without mutation. Not everything has to pay of in the movie it is first shown in.
If they have Taskmaster, why do they bother with Black Widow program? That doesn't make sense unless Antonia is "gifted"? Otherwise, all the Black Widows should have the enhancements too? Gaps in the story...
I Highkey LOVED. LOVED. Black Widow. So glad to have this movie and I just love them. Had no idea ray winstone was in it, very pleasant surprise!!! Loved the movie. Spy drama with my comfort character?! WIN!! also that bypass comment about Ross gets me thinking bout Red Hulk
The action scenes and the cinematography of this movie are one of the best I’ve EVER seen- that part where Black Widow and Taskmaster slide down this panel of the destroyed Red Room while on mid air is literally a CINEMATIC MASTERPIECE!
Didn’t Natasha mention that they hid in that subway vent for two days put it took 10 days to get out the country with some Eastern European country’s special forces after them? Did I hear that right
They didn’t need Taskmaster in the movie. They could have just have a mysterious character and not have it be Taskmaster. But it didn’t bother me either.
Would it matter either way? I assume they were locating the other Widows and if they were snapped out, they would continue the mission when they came back 5 years later? And if they were not snapped out, they would continue the search regardless?
The pheromone and mind control are all cheap plot devices. It cheapens the characters or any complexity. They become mindless storm troopers that can easy flip sides. I rather they are actually brainwashed like KGB or Bucky or a cult and it takes time for the deprogramming to work.
@@brianng3414 the movies theme is human trafficking tho, I agree that in the abstract free will is more interesting, but not everyone has free will. They’re not nazis, they’re captive children.
@@brianng3414 i get the mind control plot felt kinda cheap. But its also what made it more terrifying. Plus the Winter Soldier project is what informed this chemical successor. What Bucky and Nat went through turned into complete control over the ones that came later. Like the comment above, its more uncomfortable to sit with, but sometimes people don't have choice
Black widow Nat was a different generation(class) that didn’t have the mind control. Seems like it was developed later. But I dunno, wasn’t super clear.
“So I once brought a honeycomb and a jackass into a brothel………” “You and I have completely different memories of What happened in Budapest” We’ll never get the answers to either.
Alexei was asking Natasha if cap ever mentioned their battles in the past. I think after returning to Peggy's time, he worked in the shadows. Maybe on an attempt to at least see where bucky was kept, he encountered red guardian?
That's not how time travel works in the MCU. Cap lived out his life in a parallel timeline in the multiverse, meaning he NEVER interacted with anyone from this timeline during the time he was frozen.
Here's a thought... Old Loki described how he projected an image of himself to fool Thanos, and he escaped off to isolate. Could the same be true for the true Loki?
If Red Guardian was starting in the the early 1970's and Bradley was fighting the end of The Vietnam War... The 2 could have fought a battle. And there is still 40+ years for Bradley's prison experiments and escape.
I would suggest that you 2 watch the movie on your own times and not together. Y'all are asking questions that were clearly answered in the movie. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
On Natasha not getting the chemical control. it explains this when yellena says they all got subjected to chemical control after Natasha defected as a precaution so that implies the chemical wasn’t complete yet or that the chemical was experimented on yellana and they then used it on all agents after Natasha turned to shield
Whatever happened in Budapest sounds like a cooler movie, but this movie was mostly just to set up other characters like yelena and the thunderbolts(probably)
I think the pheromone thing shows just how primitive the technology was before and that the only sense they could control was that and now Drakov has full control over all the senses and mind
Wasn’t this movie basically just like Captain America: Winter Soldier? Hear me out…1) There is a character from the protagonists past that is an assassin brain washed by the Russians. 2) There is a scene with a floating fortress at the end that ends up being destroyed. 3) There is a scene where a face swap with masks that happen to infiltrate the villains lair. 4) There is even a scene similar to the car explosion scene in Winter Soldier.
@@tomlawal7991 I agree. The eventual reveal of Antonia being TM didn’t hit the same ways as when Bucky was revealed to be the Winter Soldier. Because Steve and Bucky had a more personal connection in the past where as Antonia is not someone who BW knew personally.
Regarding RG vs Cap I think there was an actual fight because RG asks Natasha about what Cap thought about him in their fight. I dont think he would be lying and trying to impress Natasha at that point.
I thought it was a good movie, but I still have a problem with this characters being ex KGB when the only one truly believable is the winter soldier. Like make them ex FSB if it benefits the plot, but don't give me characters that look 30, 40 at most and if they're 40 the USSR fell when they were 10. But still scarlett doesn't look 40 in the movies
I realized that it's extremely possible red guardian and Steve met/fight. Especially since went back to live life with Peggy. So Steve was alive and not frozen during the 80's.
Yo that fight scene on the bridge was straight from the Avengers video game, and I hope Taskmaster does come back and works with someone else, like a hitman or hitwoman lol.
I also agree with Erik’s opinion on Marvel not needing a villain in every movie I honestly would’ve been happy with Yelena and Natasha beating the crap out of each other the whole time cause the fight scenes in this movie are some of my favourite I’ve ever watched & they way they just yeet each other into the walls ’n doors and the way they just kick the crap out of eachother was just “mwah”👌🏼
The way Drakov used Antonia, his own daughter as a weapon in a twisted way, reminds me of how William Stryker used his son Jason in the X2 X-men United movie against Professor X and mutants. Both Drakov and Stryker didn't love their kids because of the condition that they were in, so instead they used them as means to an end.
I was thinking the same thing!
I never made that reference, that's sick!
It's funny you say that, I was on the edge of my seat hoping they would used the term "mutant" when they were describing baby Natasha
Yeah, Father's turning their children into weapons is TIGHT!
Exactly! Great comparison! I loved it in every way possible
I find it interesting that the introduction of Val is mirroring the introduction of Nick Fury.
She’s Madame Hydra, so it makes sense. She’s probably recruiting for the Thunderbolts team in the MCU
I had similar thoughts
They aren’t starting off with Avengers this time they’re doing the evil version. Wonder why.
@@famousthaneus9810 x do
They were a couple at one time in the comics.
I low-key really liked this film, I know people were expecting more but I just loved everything about this film just the whole notion of family and rebuilding burnt bridges
What about that is low key?
I actually expected less and got way more so I ended up being very pleasantly surprised.
This film did what it was suppose to do. People are upset that Natasha was killed. I loved the Teen Spirit song being sung by a female also.
I was very pleasantly surprised with the movie and enjoyed it as well.
I HIGH-KEY really liked this film. I take it for what it is and don't over think it. 7/10. Good Movie and I enjoyed myself.
I wouldn’t have minded this movie if it came out before infinity war. Upon watching the series for a second time, I’ll enjoy it more chronologically.
Facts
Exactly. 2-15 years from now watching back will have that impact that it orignally intended to have until covid
pro tip marvel: dont make a movie about a character after that character is dead
It was 2 late
This movie made me mad that we didn't get solo black widow movies all along!
Clint was supposed to kill Natasha but didn’t. I think it’s gonna be the reverse when Yelena finds him. Yelena will have a chance to kill him but will not and possibly join the Avengers
yeah she's going to be the double agent spying against Val and Ross.
all i know is that hawkeye seems to have a penchant for turning female spies lol
Or invites Hawkeye to join the Thunderbolts
I think it'll be completely reversed and Hawkeye will join the thunderbolts
@@Gzilla313 not Hawkeye but Ronin
Yelena said that they started the mind-altering when Black widow got away because he wouldn't let anyone else get away.
But how did Natasha escape?
@@nikhillakhwani2844 Budapest
The movie did mention that because they bombed the building in Budapest that caused a response from their army which lead to a shootout and the army hunting them for 10 days
The army shootout is probably what Nat was referring to when they were "pinned" against the Ultron bots
"hey this is kinda the same thing"
"uh... killer robots is a little different than some army scrubs"
Right… I was very surprised I didn’t notice them mentioning that when talking about the Budapest explanation. Only piece of information I feel is missing is how Clint realized Widow was worth saving in the first place
@@DismemberTheAlamo Chitauri. They said it in the first Avengers.
@@DismemberTheAlamo it was the chitari but yes I get you 😂
It was established in The Avengers that Hawkeye was sent to assasinate Black Widow, and Barton made another call. I kind of assume this was the first time those two met.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
Exactly what I was thinking as well
@Adonis Hardaway Shield
@Adonis Hardaway 🙄
@Adonis Hardaway Shield sent Clint and that's why Nat jumped the boat to shield.
One of the things this movie did perfectly was introducing the entire “army” of Black Widows. The fight scenes are also spectacular
I loved the movie. Probably because I love Marvel stories and comics. Other than that thought the cinematography is amazing and the fight scenes are great. The story was a little shaky at times but brought it back home at the end.
@@briank1263 stinky is a perfect word. Bad but tolerable
The villain should have been the Black Widow gang and leave Taskmaster for the next Avengers movie or Young Avengers. Taskmaster was wasted here for a simple plot twist.
@@brianng3414 or just leave Dracov out of it and have taskmaster as the movie's big bad
@@brianng3414 Actually, I agree
my guess Budapest : turned into a shoot out after they blew up drag, and then they ended up hunker down fighting like how they were hunker down fighting in nyc
That’s what I was thinking too
Exactly! It's really not that difficult to figure out. The problem is they want to make it MORE, because ALIENS. That is also the joke. The reason why Hawkeye says he remembers it differently is because he was focused on the ALIENS, not the basic similar situation.
They said that in the film, not sure how this was missed by them
It’s very unlikely they’ll bring Scarlett Johansson into Hawkeye for a cameo , it’d probably kill half their budget. I do hope we’ll get an explanation in Hawkeye though.
It would be nice if they did a spin off on disney plus. Just 1 season and have the story about Budapest.
@@arturogamez488 yessss pleasee!!! like the title could be "Budapest".
even just a short film
They should bring Yelena into it
Budapest should stay a mystery. Sorry, Budapesht!
@@stevecampkin8613 im thinkin ur right. keep it a mystery only refer back to that moment via flashback type
I think Natasha's sister said that when Black widow escaped, Drakov made sure no one else could escape.... implementing the chemical control.
"What did happen in Budapest?" and "Who is Ivan ( Natasha's Father as mentioned by Red skull)" Two
MCU mysteries.
that SHOULD HAVE been answered here in the movie, but alas.
@@-Tidae The answer to those questions don’t matter at all
@@snakeEyedPirate Exactly. I don't know why so many people are so hung up on these story devices. They don't matter to any plot. Or character development.
@Miguel Messina why?
✝️
If Yelena mentioned "Crimson Dynamo", then there is a character in Russia by that name!! which is different from Whiplash (which said combined both chars) from Ironman 2!
Crimson Dynamo could be made an appearance in ARMOUR WAR!
which reminds me... I wonder if anyone else will have thought this. For some reason, I didn't really get the feeling that Alexei was just spinning tall tales in the prison there for the sake of his ego, as far as the Captain America stuff. I got the sense he genuinely thinks he fought what he believed was Captain America back in the, what was it, some time in the 80's? I wonder if there'd be a reason for that...
@@kevinw712 could’ve been Isaiah Bradley
But guys! Ursa Major was the prisoner who's arm got broken by Red Guardian in the prison! As in Ursa Major the Bear Mutant! Why is nobody talking about this?!
Supremely underrated comment, let's spread the word
“Did Hawkguy try to kill Natasha?” I’m surprised that Erik Voss has never seen The Avengers.
It was a pretty big deal in 2012.
Shots fire. I was pretty taken back myself.
Are you sure you "watch and rewatch" stuff? Because it only took one watch for me to see that the movie said they didn't start the chemical mind control until after Natasha escaped...
fax
Innit oml 😭 I noticed everything the first time round like I don’t see what is so confusing 😭😂
He just be twisting facts and making shit up so his theorys make sense
That's why Budapest was like avengers 1 - one was mind controlled and one had to break the other one out of it
Pin this one
And then fighting an enemy together together
I assumed fighting alongside Clint against the Chitauri reminded Nat of fighting alongside Clint against the Hungarian special forces after the bombing.
Natasha at the end: “go ahead, I’ll hold them off”.
* they fly away in a JET before they even arrive *
The Lokigator polo shirt is the greatest thing ever.
Remember LaCoste polo shirts?
After the explosion they were probably compromised, couldn’t be extracted so they probably had to shoot there way back to the safe house, then get to the crawl space
I think that's basically it.
Same thoughts
"Able to get away" *gets Sparta kicked off bridge*
The red room simply had to spray water vapor and particles into the cold atmosphere around it to form clouds.
"I'm allergic to the midwest" me, a midwesterner, "same"
Anybody else feel a Young Avengers vs Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers movie on the horizon?
No I don’t think either one of those…I think Westcoast avengers
or Young Avengers in Quantum realm when Dark Avengers on the earth 🤷🏻♂️
They mentioned in the movie Taskmaster is part of the “Taskmaster protocol”. I bet this Taskmaster isn’t the O. G.
Agreed
I actually think the opposite. I think this Taskmaster is the OG/ prototype but the protocol will be used again down the line to give us a more purposeful taskmaster
I hope you're right because Taskmaster has so much potential to be one of MCU's best villians
I hope taskmaster Is one of my favorite villains. Also bring the comic suit!
@@kyprianosippolytou7963 This is the thing that confused me the most about peoples' reaction to Taskmaster. The suit in the comics is so silly! The movie is definitely an improvement
Unless you want 4 hr movies, a lot of plot has to end up on the cutting room floor. So use your imagination for what isn't shown. It's ok. Marvel won't get mad at you.
As for Taskmaster... this is the MCU, not the comics. A lot changes between the two mediums.
And they called it the Taskmaster Protocol, leaving quite an opening for future stories and possibly different people
Truly that de-aging technique that they used in that Budapest scene was EXCEPTIONALLY WELL
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Not really
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On Ross
NRS: Why wasn't Natasha chemically induced like the other widows?
Me: Chemical mind control stuff is not yet available in Natasha's time as a spy if you really watch the movie lol
The deaging they did to Scarlett looked great in that scene.
Didn’t even notice
Yeah it was super easy, barely an inconvenience.
At this point i am just waiting for 2nd episode of Black Widow....
Regarding the discussion at 16:17, you guys HAVE to remember, not everyone watching the movies is also readign all the comics. MANY viewers have NEVER touched the comics. Until this movie, I had zero idea who Yelena was.
9:45 yes Clint was supposed to Kill Natasha. But he made a different call. I don't know what movie they say this line in, but that's exactly what happens. What happened in budapest is not as big of a mystery as y'all are making it out to be
It's Avengers 1. The Loki interrogation
Love how you specifically mention the opening credits with that amazing cover. Best part of the movie for me.
Secrete of Budapest.. the lost pictures of Hockey intoxicated in Natasha's Tight Leather outfit... What happened in Budapest stays in Budapest!
Marvel should make a movie called "Budapest" with Natasha and Clint facing each other on the poster, Mr. and Ms. Smith style.
Yes agreed there should have been two black widow movies. One with the flashback with Natasha and Hawkeye all about Budapest and then this movie/timeline would be the second instalment. Way too much jammed into one movie IMO.
So if Red Guardian was also injected with the super soldier serum, does that mean there are other russians that were also injected? Or was Alexi the only one? And if he is the only one... why?
It was mentioned in the movie that he was the first and only Russian super soldier, and I think they only had enough serum for one person before the project was shut down.
Well there were 2 Red Guardians so its possible
@@reedfoster1923 ohhhh... thank you... guess I Need to watch it again... didn't quite catch that part...
The taskmaster “chip” is officially around
They died or went insane this was established in civil war
Seems like Marvel has set up a way to do a Tony Masters version of Taskmaster, because tech has been established that can do mimicry without mutation. Not everything has to pay of in the movie it is first shown in.
Exactly!! Plus, Masters was a member of SHIELD. So maybe he will come across this project saved somewhere.
Tony Masters is NOT Mutant. In the 616 world. He one in alternate version.
They still have to program it how to deal with locked glass doors while wearing an arsenal of weapons on its back
If they have Taskmaster, why do they bother with Black Widow program? That doesn't make sense unless Antonia is "gifted"? Otherwise, all the Black Widows should have the enhancements too? Gaps in the story...
I love how Erik and MT just bounce all these really good ideas off each other!!🧡
I know, it’s why I love watching these videos.
MT is soooooo dry
@@anaherajones3063 ya motha
I would like to see a Marvel movie set in the 80s with young Hank Pym and Red Guardian!
I wanted to see a Marvel movie starring Hank Pym 10 years ago.
The mind control came after natasha "brought down" the red room the first time
I Highkey LOVED. LOVED. Black Widow. So glad to have this movie and I just love them. Had no idea ray winstone was in it, very pleasant surprise!!! Loved the movie. Spy drama with my comfort character?! WIN!! also that bypass comment about Ross gets me thinking bout Red Hulk
The action scenes and the cinematography of this movie are one of the best I’ve EVER seen- that part where Black Widow and Taskmaster slide down this panel of the destroyed Red Room while on mid air is literally a CINEMATIC MASTERPIECE!
Everyone ignoring the fact an Avenger destroying a prison irresponsibly
*Russian prison
You mean like cap crashing three helacarriers wreckelessly over a populated city?
Yeah a Lot of people died at that prison. Prisoners and guards/ admin included.
@@JPLaJeunesse nobody ignored that, it was a catalyst for a movie. Lol.
Also it was housed in an avalanche zone
Ya I also thought that Taskmaster was waisted/underutilized
I never assumed that we would get the Budapest events in the movie 🧐
Didn’t Natasha mention that they hid in that subway vent for two days put it took 10 days to get out the country with some Eastern European country’s special forces after them? Did I hear that right
Yes, yes you did
They didn’t need Taskmaster in the movie. They could have just have a mysterious character and not have it be Taskmaster. But it didn’t bother me either.
Yaa exactly ... nothing much from task master ...... no story .. nothing .... 👀
They kinda ruined taskmaster In this movie
@@manuelmoralez2257 Go read the comics then. These movies are almost never exactly the same as the comics.
@@brettstalling2269 I have read the comics that’s why I’m saying they ruined him where’s my mans tony at
@@manuelmoralez2257 So you can’t have a different look at a character ?
The talk about Task Master is kinda funny for a character that's never going to be seen again.. the movie was 8/10..
Never seen again?
I’m looking forward to the Hawkeye series so much!
I have a strong feeling it will be better than fatws
@@khevalishimaka7744 so do I
"I feel like I dont have free will right now" boom 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂 that was REALLY funny 😂😂
What happened to Yelena, Alexei and Melina , widows/Antonia during snap/blip?
Would it matter either way? I assume they were locating the other Widows and if they were snapped out, they would continue the mission when they came back 5 years later? And if they were not snapped out, they would continue the search regardless?
With Nats emotional demeanor in Endgame I'd guess they blipped
Black widow was so good
The pheromone thing wasn’t the greatest decision, Wish it was more choice over mind control.
Taskmaster was a little disappointing too.
They didn't have that tech yet
The pheromone and mind control are all cheap plot devices. It cheapens the characters or any complexity. They become mindless storm troopers that can easy flip sides.
I rather they are actually brainwashed like KGB or Bucky or a cult and it takes time for the deprogramming to work.
@@brianng3414 the movies theme is human trafficking tho, I agree that in the abstract free will is more interesting, but not everyone has free will. They’re not nazis, they’re captive children.
@@brianng3414 i get the mind control plot felt kinda cheap. But its also what made it more terrifying. Plus the Winter Soldier project is what informed this chemical successor. What Bucky and Nat went through turned into complete control over the ones that came later.
Like the comment above, its more uncomfortable to sit with, but sometimes people don't have choice
I like how MT is getting more and more involved, he’s a fun personality to watch and i can imagine he takes some of the load off of erik
I think Taskmaster could come back since its a program that they can continue with someone else
Yep AGREE this time they should use Tony Masters, the real Tasksmaster
Black widow Nat was a different generation(class) that didn’t have the mind control. Seems like it was developed later. But I dunno, wasn’t super clear.
The whole mind control thing was started after Nat escaped to prevent other widows from escaping too
I disagree. I think it was extremely clear. It was actually outright said lmfao
They stated after Natasha defected Drakeoff made sure none of his Widows would have free will again.
“So I once brought a honeycomb and a jackass into a brothel………”
“You and I have completely different memories of What happened in Budapest”
We’ll never get the answers to either.
It would have been cool to see the winter soldier give nat that scar at least
I'd like to see this and Budapest in an animated way actually
What scar?
I got Captain America Winter soldier vibes loved it
Btw who made those red vials of anti mind control Serum.
The widow yolena killed in the beginning.
A widow from Melinas generation
🙌🏻🙌🏻 so happy to see this posted. 🧡 you guys
The fact that we were rooting for them to escape from shield was huge mistake
They are secretly double agents, just like the family in Ohio! Or not so secret now... hahaha...
That was Hydra though.
@@MonologueMusicals the trucks said SHEILD on it tho
@@manumonogenis Shield *was* Hydra in disguise until Captain America: Winter Soldier thanks to Operation Paperclip and what Arnim Zola explained
Alexei was asking Natasha if cap ever mentioned their battles in the past. I think after returning to Peggy's time, he worked in the shadows. Maybe on an attempt to at least see where bucky was kept, he encountered red guardian?
That's not how time travel works in the MCU. Cap lived out his life in a parallel timeline in the multiverse, meaning he NEVER interacted with anyone from this timeline during the time he was frozen.
Here's a thought... Old Loki described how he projected an image of himself to fool Thanos, and he escaped off to isolate. Could the same be true for the true Loki?
Whatever happened to the tony stark cameo that was supposed to be in this movie
Gone. Reduced to atoms.
That or Cap cameo would have compromised their ending
they explained the mind control...natasha escaped and then the red room started using the chemical mind control to prevent another escape
Ray Winstone playing Draykov sounded like Sean Penn playing Mickey Cohen in Gangster Squad.
If Red Guardian was starting in the the early 1970's and Bradley was fighting the end of The Vietnam War...
The 2 could have fought a battle.
And there is still 40+ years for Bradley's prison experiments and escape.
Bradley was in the Korean War, unfortunately, so this is likely just Alexei bullshitting
In Budapest, they found Tyrion Lannister about to enter a brothel with a jackass and honeycomb.
I would suggest that you 2 watch the movie on your own times and not together. Y'all are asking questions that were clearly answered in the movie. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Thanos is the worst dad/adoptive dad
Draykov : hold my brainwashed Taskmaster
My take is that the mind control shenanigan in black widow is related and a highly modified form of the truth serum from antman and the wasp lol
So Erik and MT didn’t get to watch Black Widow in theatres? That’s a real shame it was an amazing experience
I'm surprised you missed the cameo by Ursa Major in this movie
I'm loving Marvel more and more this years ❤️❤️😘
We absolutely loved Alexei and Melina and want more of them.
0:03 that's totally from GTA:5 mission "Nervous Ron" where you control Trevor on the plane wing shooting bikers.
Budapesh!
*Budapesht
It's funny how the villan drekov just told Nat his whole entire evil plan lol
I’m sorry is there an explanation as to how Natasha escaped or bypassed Ross before the cut to infinity war?
Was wondering the same.
On Natasha not getting the chemical control. it explains this when yellena says they all got subjected to chemical control after Natasha defected as a precaution so that implies the chemical wasn’t complete yet or that the chemical was experimented on yellana and they then used it on all agents after Natasha turned to shield
Whatever happened in Budapest sounds like a cooler movie, but this movie was mostly just to set up other characters like yelena and the thunderbolts(probably)
I think the pheromone thing shows just how primitive the technology was before and that the only sense they could control was that and now Drakov has full control over all the senses and mind
Wasn’t this movie basically just like Captain America: Winter Soldier? Hear me out…1) There is a character from the protagonists past that is an assassin brain washed by the Russians. 2) There is a scene with a floating fortress at the end that ends up being destroyed. 3) There is a scene where a face swap with masks that happen to infiltrate the villains lair. 4) There is even a scene similar to the car explosion scene in Winter Soldier.
Winter soldier just did it better
So you're saying there's no difference between Corrupt Capitalism and Corrupt Communism
@@tomlawal7991 I agree. The eventual reveal of Antonia being TM didn’t hit the same ways as when Bucky was revealed to be the Winter Soldier. Because Steve and Bucky had a more personal connection in the past where as Antonia is not someone who BW knew personally.
5.) Old guys as villians.
Alternate reality. Could be a version of the What If series.
I saw this movie last night in 4DX and the whole experience was really fun. Felt like a rollercoaster 🎢 Really liked the movie 🎥
The real question is who did the red guardian fight in 1984 if it wasnt steve rodgers...
Regarding RG vs Cap I think there was an actual fight because RG asks Natasha about what Cap thought about him in their fight. I dont think he would be lying and trying to impress Natasha at that point.
I thought it was a good movie, but I still have a problem with this characters being ex KGB when the only one truly believable is the winter soldier. Like make them ex FSB if it benefits the plot, but don't give me characters that look 30, 40 at most and if they're 40 the USSR fell when they were 10. But still scarlett doesn't look 40 in the movies
Exactly
I think he did fight a version of Captain America. If not why would he even bother asking Natasha if Steve talked about him?
I realized that it's extremely possible red guardian and Steve met/fight. Especially since went back to live life with Peggy. So Steve was alive and not frozen during the 80's.
How did the two people they tried to kill with the bomb both survive, worst bomb ever.
youd be surprised how random survival in bombings can be. IRL examples are pretty wtf
ABSOLUTELY WORTH THE WAIT!!!! Watched it in the theater first Then got Premier access and have watched it six times in less than 24 hours😎
I’m thinking that Val is working for Red Skull because he was the only other person on Volmeer and saw how Natasha died.
Nah. She's working for Ross
Leviathan.
Yo that fight scene on the bridge was straight from the Avengers video game, and I hope Taskmaster does come back and works with someone else, like a hitman or hitwoman lol.
The story is the story... I don't care whether or not they needed a specific character or not... I'll say it again THE STORY IS THE STORY!!!!😤
Puld have done so much more with taskmaster
Clint on his way to Vormir with Natasha: "This is a long way from killing Dreykov and his daughter"
Natasha: *laughed
*Mama Melina* kinda sus.
I also agree with Erik’s opinion on Marvel not needing a villain in every movie I honestly would’ve been happy with Yelena and Natasha beating the crap out of each other the whole time cause the fight scenes in this movie are some of my favourite I’ve ever watched & they way they just yeet each other into the walls ’n doors and the way they just kick the crap out of eachother was just “mwah”👌🏼